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Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #2580 on:** March 01, 2020, 11:06:43 PM »

In every single combat scenario Picard has had his gun set to stun. He has chided two crew members (Seven and Elnor) about murder. This is a completely nonsensical criticism and Picard has very much been in line with prior Federation principles of past shows.

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2581 on:** March 01, 2020, 11:09:19 PM »

Yet he gave Seven two phaser assault rifles with little to no hesitation.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #2582 on:** March 02, 2020, 01:16:27 AM »

Anyways, let's actually discuss the show.

Episode 6 was fantastic.

The reunion with Hugh, the Borg reclamation project scenes were the most positive Trek in DECADES, the tension and build up to Soji's dream. I like all of the characters and how it's a show about the struggle to find good in a harsh universe. I love this show and I'm excited as FUCK for the next episode.

It also looked like Soji's father looked sort of like Bashir. I'll be giddy if that's the case.

"These aren't monsters, they're victims."

RLM complainers: WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE POSITIVE TREK AGAIN reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Also reusing the old Hugh actor

And this week we get to see Riker and Troi

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #2583 on:** March 02, 2020, 01:17:50 AM »

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-picard-tng-ds9-morality-idealism-better-explained

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Picard Is About The Good In Flawed People In An Imperfect World

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The Perfect Is The Enemy Of The Good

As per the article.

They've truly taken what was great about DS9 and are just exploring more of it

Momo · « **Reply #2584 on:** March 02, 2020, 01:26:33 AM »

Yeah this show is complete nonsense as a Trek show, but I'm going to finish it because I'm essentially a hostage to trek.

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2585 on:** March 02, 2020, 06:43:38 PM »

Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on March 02, 2020, 01:17:50 AM

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-picard-tng-ds9-morality-idealism-better-explained

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Picard Is About The Good In Flawed People In An Imperfect World

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The Perfect Is The Enemy Of The Good

As per the article.

They've truly taken what was great about DS9 and are just exploring more of it

No.

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2586 on:** March 02, 2020, 06:48:11 PM »

TEEEPO · « **Reply #2587 on:** March 02, 2020, 06:51:14 PM »

why do you guys care what other people think?

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #2588 on:** March 02, 2020, 07:37:14 PM »

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #2589 on:** March 02, 2020, 07:38:38 PM »

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2590 on:** March 02, 2020, 07:42:10 PM »

Quote from: TEEEPO on March 02, 2020, 06:51:14 PM

why do you guys care what other people think?

they encapsulate what I think I just dont want to type it out

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2591 on:** March 02, 2020, 07:56:44 PM »

Quote from: TEEEPO on March 02, 2020, 06:51:14 PM

why do you guys care what other people think?

So I can tell them they are wrong an their taste is shit.

Leadbelly · « **Reply #2592 on:** March 02, 2020, 10:16:04 PM »

Quote from: MMaRsu on February 19, 2020, 12:42:16 PM

It's just their network of transwarp shit being blowed up right?

Momo · « **Reply #2593 on:** March 02, 2020, 10:32:37 PM »

None of us should really care if someone dislikes/likes this stuff yet here we are. Can't get mad at people for liking it because I don't, I'm happy for you all.

Leadbelly · « **Reply #2594 on:** March 02, 2020, 10:42:52 PM »

benjipwns · « **Reply #2595 on:** March 02, 2020, 10:46:43 PM »

Quote from: TEEEPO on March 02, 2020, 06:51:14 PM

why do you guys care what other people think?

Quote from: Momo on March 02, 2020, 10:32:37 PM

None of us should really care if someone dislikes/likes this stuff yet here we are. Can't get mad at people for liking it because I don't, I'm happy for you all.

FUUUUCCCCCKKKK OOOOOOOOoooofffOOOFFFFFF

Momo · « **Reply #2596 on:** March 02, 2020, 10:50:46 PM »

FACT CHECK: I can't fuck ooooof without first being fucked ooooon

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #2597 on:** March 04, 2020, 04:30:53 PM »

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2598 on:** March 05, 2020, 05:02:33 AM »

What's the point in bringing back

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Hugh

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if you're just gonna have the character be totally pointless and then die a pointless death?

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2599 on:** March 05, 2020, 07:30:01 AM »

I just started watching the new ep and what little I saw it looks like the rumor is true about tying it with the dumpster fire that is STD.

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2600 on:** March 05, 2020, 07:47:59 AM »

Already watched the episode, how so?

And yes the episode is garbage again

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2601 on:** March 05, 2020, 07:50:45 AM »

Quote from: MMaRsu on March 05, 2020, 07:47:59 AM

Already watched the episode, how so?

And yes the episode is garbage again

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I'm pretty sure they are tying it to the whole "Control" AI thing from STD.

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MMaRsu · « **Reply #2602 on:** March 05, 2020, 07:53:42 AM »

Oh, I don't know anything about that. I didn't watch S2 of Discovery.

I would imagine they would steer this show as clear from Discovery as possible, the trainwreck that it is.

Not that this is much better tbh. The entire episode was boring as fuck.

Also why would Rios not suspect Agnes when she says "It's not Raffi" and why would he even suspect Raffi in the first place?
Doesnt he already know her for a long time?

And why are Rios and Agnes hooking up again? I totally missed that really.

Potato · « **Reply #2603 on:** March 05, 2020, 08:43:52 AM »

Just finished episode 5 of Picard. It's very slow moving, but I think I like it.

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2604 on:** March 05, 2020, 10:23:19 AM »

I liked the Riker and Picard interactions...

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2605 on:** March 05, 2020, 11:00:55 AM »

Imo the only good parts of the episode. Good to see them together

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #2606 on:** March 06, 2020, 04:00:23 AM »

I LOVED this episode. Troi!!

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2607 on:** March 06, 2020, 07:05:37 AM »

https://twitter.com/redlettermedia/status/1235724538983391232

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #2608 on:** March 08, 2020, 03:39:53 PM »

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2609 on:** March 12, 2020, 08:36:30 AM »

Picard EP 08 The first episode that I can even call good, felt almost like a Star Trek episode if not for the cursing, and drunks/druggies.

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2610 on:** March 12, 2020, 03:30:48 PM »

Might watch picard tonight

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2611 on:** March 13, 2020, 07:06:09 PM »

benjipwns · « **Reply #2612 on:** March 13, 2020, 07:12:14 PM »

Quote from: MMaRsu on March 12, 2020, 03:30:48 PM

"Out of context?" No, I'm pretty sure I saw this episode.

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #2613 on:** March 13, 2020, 07:14:09 PM »

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #2614 on:** March 14, 2020, 03:22:52 AM »

This is beautiful.

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2615 on:** March 14, 2020, 04:45:36 AM »

Steve Shives

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #2616 on:** March 14, 2020, 11:32:54 AM »

That's like, your opinion, dude.

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2617 on:** March 14, 2020, 12:06:59 PM »

He is watchmojo/whatculture tier.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #2618 on:** March 14, 2020, 03:53:27 PM »

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2619 on:** March 14, 2020, 03:55:28 PM »

Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on March 14, 2020, 03:22:52 AM

This is beautiful.

Keep American politics outta this thread please

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2620 on:** March 15, 2020, 02:07:43 AM »

Are people still using Red Letter Media as a barometer of what is good?

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2621 on:** March 15, 2020, 07:21:15 AM »

No RLM is the barometer for what makes an entertaining youtube channel and nothing more.

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They are not wrong on STD/Picard though.

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MMaRsu · « **Reply #2622 on:** March 15, 2020, 08:38:00 AM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2020, 02:07:43 AM

Are people still using Red Letter Media as a barometer of what is good?

No, but they are right in that this show is written by someone who hasnt watched much tng at all.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2623 on:** March 15, 2020, 09:25:14 AM »

Have only watched 3 episodes of Picard and liked what I saw so I won't comment but I know I disagree with RLM generally speaking as a source of authority (or people who can never seem to stop bringing them up) when it comes to this stuff so I doubt they have suddenly got better when it comes to what determines good from bad.

The idea that Picard also needs to be roughly the same show as TNG is also something I don't agree with at all. But I'll digress until I have time to watch the full season.

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2624 on:** March 15, 2020, 09:59:08 AM »

Notice I said an entertaining channel and not whats good and right with the world. I don't agree with them on a lot of their opinions on film and TV shows but I whole heatedly agree with them on STD/Picard.

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See stuff like NuTrek (STD/Picard aka Star Drek) wouldn't be as lambasted if they had any likable characters and weren't written like dog shit.

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Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2625 on:** March 15, 2020, 10:01:12 AM »

To each his own but I have no problem in general with "NuTrek". TNG was just as flawed as anything else once nostalgia goggles are removed. Which is not to say I don't generally speaking like TNG. I just don't put it on some pedestal as the only way to do Trek or even the best way to do Trek.

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2626 on:** March 15, 2020, 10:05:40 AM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2020, 10:01:12 AM

To each his own but I have no problem in general with "NuTrek". TNG was just as flawed as anything else once nostalgia goggles are removed. Which is not to say I don't generally speaking like TNG. I just don't put it on some pedestal as the only way to do Trek or even the best way to do Trek.

I don't think TNG is the best Trek, to me it's TOS then DS9.

Ah the it's not as good as you remember fallacy...

I'll just leave this here.

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #2627 on:** March 15, 2020, 10:32:36 AM »

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #2628 on:** March 15, 2020, 11:43:39 AM »

Quote from: D3RANG3D on March 15, 2020, 10:05:40 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2020, 10:01:12 AM
To each his own but I have no problem in general with "NuTrek". TNG was just as flawed as anything else once nostalgia goggles are removed. Which is not to say I don't generally speaking like TNG. I just don't put it on some pedestal as the only way to do Trek or even the best way to do Trek.

I don't think TNG is the best Trek, to me it's TOS then DS9.

Ah the it's not as good as you remember fallacy...

I'll just leave this here.

This video is terrible. It is drawn out, has no structure, and just seemingly meanders.

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2629 on:** March 15, 2020, 11:46:38 AM »

fake news.

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2630 on:** March 15, 2020, 11:55:12 AM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2020, 09:25:14 AM

Have only watched 3 episodes of Picard and liked what I saw so I won't comment but I know I disagree with RLM generally speaking as a source of authority (or people who can never seem to stop bringing them up) when it comes to this stuff so I doubt they have suddenly got better when it comes to what determines good from bad.

The idea that Picard also needs to be roughly the same show as TNG is also something I don't agree with at all. But I'll digress until I have time to watch the full season.

It doesnt need to be the same as TNG. But the characters need to be not fucking stupid, ie Picard himself.

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2631 on:** March 15, 2020, 11:57:05 AM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2020, 10:01:12 AM

To each his own but I have no problem in general with "NuTrek". TNG was just as flawed as anything else once nostalgia goggles are removed. Which is not to say I don't generally speaking like TNG. I just don't put it on some pedestal as the only way to do Trek or even the best way to do Trek.

Fucking nonsense 100%. I only watched TNG for the first time in the last few years. The only show I saw as a kid growing up was Voyager, and out of DS9, TNG and VOY, VOY is the worst one in hindsight. No nostalgia glasses here.

TNG still invokes a great sense of morality, discussions of what is logical and moral, what is ethical.

Picard deals with none of these issues, and instead is a horrible analogy for Trumps America.

In my opinion, most DS9 episodes are above and beyond the writing set here in Picard. Didn't bother with Discovery season 2, as season 1 was fucking garbage.

nachobro · « **Reply #2632 on:** March 15, 2020, 12:46:25 PM »

100% of every holodeck episode in every iteration of trek is shit, so don't pretend old treks are flawless

i'm two episodes back on picard but so far i am still enjoying it. definitely not TNG though heh

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2633 on:** March 15, 2020, 12:48:14 PM »

Who said they were flawless?

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven · « **Reply #2634 on:** March 15, 2020, 12:50:44 PM »

holodeck or lwaxana troi = next episode button

nachobro · « **Reply #2635 on:** March 15, 2020, 02:44:25 PM »

Quote from: D3RANG3D on March 15, 2020, 12:48:14 PM

Who said they were flawless?

okay pedantic ass

they aren't as good as you remember. happy now? many of the episodes of the vaunted old trek shows suck balls.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #2636 on:** March 15, 2020, 02:58:40 PM »

TNG is flawed as fuck and a product of its era. It's a classic but get real.

Picard is assimilated into the Borg, doesn't have PTSD at all and it's not even mentioned besides the episode where he goes back to the farm and First Contact.

The show has almost no continuity.

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2637 on:** March 15, 2020, 03:00:42 PM »

Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on March 15, 2020, 02:58:40 PM

TNG is flawed as fuck and a product of its era. It's a classic but get real.

Picard is assimilated into the Borg, doesn't have PTSD at all and it's not even mentioned besides the episode where he goes back to the farm and First Contact.

The show has almost no continuity.

That's the whole Borg/PTSD arc that Picard forgot about specifically that he got over it in First Contact about the only thing the TNG movies did right.

Quote from: nachobro on March 15, 2020, 02:44:25 PM

Quote from: D3RANG3D on March 15, 2020, 12:48:14 PM
Who said they were flawless?
okay pedantic ass

they aren't as good as you remember. happy now? many of the episodes of the vaunted old trek shows suck balls.

TNG is still light years ahead of Nutrek garbage.

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Imagine trying to tear down something good so you can put a literal piece of shit on a pedestal.

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Stro · « **Reply #2638 on:** March 15, 2020, 09:03:12 PM »

Two points that mean nothing:

1. RLM (and really it's just Mike with Rich tagging along that drive any and all Star Trek nonsnse) are quick to point out the flaws in what they deem classic Trek stuff as well.

2. I don't know shit about Star Trek besides catching a couple of minutes of TNG here and there on USA before Raw as a kid and maybe one of the later ones on UPN at 1 in the morning on Saturdays or some shit, but everything about Discovery and Picard scream "Not Trek" even to me.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2639 on:** March 15, 2020, 10:06:24 PM »

There is no such thing as "Not Trek". It's fine if people like or don't like something. But "Not Trek" is meaningless imo. Especially when some people who've enjoyed Trek all their lives from TOS to the TNG era to the current era enjoy it. Like me.

My main point with RLM is that tossing that into the conversation generally does nothing. Especially when they are used as the arbiter of what is "Not Trek" when I disagree with at least 75% of what they say. I'm fine with people as individuals liking or not liking current Trek especially when they express their individual opinions about what they like or don't like. My argument is that

A.) Not all people will agree so let's not pretend there is one consensus opinion here that is the right one.
B.) Please don't use RLM as the appeal to authority. They are random dudes who post stuff on youtube. They have no special claim to what is or isn't trek.

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