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Re: Pro Wrasslin' Thread: I don't know what I just saw
« Reply #12960 on: July 06, 2020, 02:50:38 PM »
Does anyone remember how the Billy and Chuck angle ended?


After getting a lot of screen time for the first 4 months of the year, being probably the most entertaining mid card act in the company, they pretty much fade away to nothing once the brand split was in full swing despite getting drafted as the champions. So after 3 months of not doing anything, having no angles to speak of, Rico makes Chuck propose after Billy loses a match to Rey Mysterio. The wedding is THE NEXT WEEK.

Of course, they don't go through with it because they aren't gay, bro, and it was a scam Rico had cooked up with Bischoff to embarrass Stephanie/Smackdown. So then Billy and Chuck were totally straight, bro faces and had a match with 3MW at Unforgiven with the stipulation being Bischoff would kiss Stephanie's ass if Billy and Chuck won, Stephanie would engage in hot lesbian action if they lost. Oh yeah, HLA debuted as a direct response to Billy and Chuck's wedding. It debuted the Raw before the wedding on SD as Bischoff trying to steal the gay thunder.

So Billy and Chuck lose and Stephanie has to dyke out with this very large, ugly lesbian who actually turns out to be Rikishi who pulls off his latex mask like Bischoff did at the wedding, then giving Bischoff the stink face. Within a month, Billy and Chuck are quietly separated with no angle, then Billy gets injured and it's never brought up again.

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« Reply #12961 on: July 06, 2020, 03:48:03 PM »
Don't remember the latter part with Rikishi, but yeah I remember that wedding angle pretty well, lol.  It got a lot of attention in the media and had praise from groups like GLAAD.  Bet they loved the way it ended.  :lol

That might be the only time where I was legit fooled by Bischoff with that latex mask--  didn't know it was him until he took it off.   :-[
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« Reply #12962 on: July 06, 2020, 03:53:54 PM »
Everyone remembers the wedding, but I don't think anyone remembers the lead up was 3 months of absolutely nothing, then ONE WEEK between the engagement and wedding, and then the follow up with Rikishi in the latex mask and Billy/Chuck just quietly being dropped all together.

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« Reply #12963 on: July 07, 2020, 12:16:25 PM »
I'm not sure there has ever been a more stud athlete A1 alpha male in any company, any era, any country, than Kurt Angle in 2002 :jeanluc

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« Reply #12965 on: July 08, 2020, 09:37:19 AM »


this looks like shid :hhh

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« Reply #12966 on: July 08, 2020, 10:54:20 AM »
Finally the sequel to WWE All Stars :rejoice

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« Reply #12967 on: July 08, 2020, 10:56:59 AM »


this looks like shid :hhh

Pre-order now and you can get spacebucks to buy things that are very much not contained within loot boxes.

Also: Eye for an eye match. This demands an emoji :yuck

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« Reply #12968 on: July 08, 2020, 12:36:50 PM »
Christ, that looks like a mobile game.


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« Reply #12969 on: July 08, 2020, 12:39:11 PM »
Its fine for what it is. Hopefully it plays well.

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« Reply #12970 on: July 08, 2020, 01:25:53 PM »
 :lol

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« Reply #12971 on: July 08, 2020, 01:58:24 PM »
If it plays like All Stars it's gonna be rad.

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« Reply #12972 on: July 08, 2020, 02:20:20 PM »
If it plays like All Stars it's gonna be rad.

Different developers.  All-Stars also was produced by former(?) Midway dev Sal Divita.  This game is being made by Saber Interactive, who made such classics as NBA PLaygrounds and Shaq-Fu: A Legend Reborn.  Dunno, but will keep a positive outlook.
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« Reply #12973 on: July 08, 2020, 04:02:15 PM »
It’s 2k published too :girlaff

If there are more than 5 generic move sets with at most finishers and maybe a couple of signature moves being unique to every wrassler I’ll be stunned :trumps

I wouldn’t be shocked if it was originally a mobile game they had to jazz up cuz there’s no 2k21 and they need to drop a real game to keep the licence

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« Reply #12974 on: July 09, 2020, 02:06:14 PM »
OC vs Jericho got a ton of hype and push and it was boring as fuck.

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« Reply #12975 on: July 09, 2020, 02:07:31 PM »
fat jericho v my little dog pockets was a stinker? :titus

can't wait for :cornette burial tomorrow :hyper

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« Reply #12976 on: July 10, 2020, 02:45:15 PM »
Pockets v Jericho got destroyed in the ratings apparently :titus

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« Reply #12977 on: July 10, 2020, 03:16:44 PM »
Both shows got destroyed in the ratings but Tucker and Guy's Grocery Games

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« Reply #12978 on: July 10, 2020, 03:42:14 PM »
Who blinks first and brings in guaranteed ratings bringer* Vince Russo :hyper

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« Reply #12979 on: July 10, 2020, 03:44:48 PM »
It's fucking weird that both Jericho and Tony Khan himself are on tweeties talking about the demo breakdowns and why it's a win and shit and the viewership for NXT and AEW together is less than Raw and Smackdown individually which are in the midst of record lows.

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« Reply #12980 on: July 10, 2020, 04:00:28 PM »
Jericho is an alcoholic so what he says is what ever, but Tony Khan is :aweshum especially after the full gush he got from the sheets about being super smart and a student of the game


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« Reply #12981 on: July 11, 2020, 11:22:47 AM »
I kind of feel like overall plague time viewership doesn't really matter anyway. Once the world is 'normal' again (if that ever even happens) then we can care about stupid viewer numbers.
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« Reply #12982 on: July 11, 2020, 11:34:54 AM »
Ratings for NXT/AEW are pretty much the same s they were pre 'rona times. They're actually up somewhat.

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« Reply #12983 on: July 11, 2020, 12:31:56 PM »
That's kinda weird since I think Raw's ratings have tanked relative to what they normally are.
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« Reply #12984 on: July 11, 2020, 12:45:12 PM »
I think both Wednesday shows were doing around 600-700k viewers December-March and still doing that now with some weeks in the 500ks and some weeks in the 800ks but usually right in that 600-700k zone this entire time.

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« Reply #12985 on: July 11, 2020, 01:08:44 PM »
OC vs Jericho got a ton of hype and push and it was boring as fuck.
Indeed, it was quite a letdown. I don't know what happened..

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« Reply #12986 on: July 11, 2020, 02:58:47 PM »
OC vs Jericho got a ton of hype and push and it was boring as fuck.
Indeed, it was quite a letdown. I don't know what happened..


1. OC's schtick doesn't really work without a crowd, and it loses potency every time you see him turn it on and try to win. It was great the first time you saw it with PAC but it's less effective every time he's done it since.

2. Jericho has absolutely zero cardio. He was completely gassed doing 10 minutes of rest holds before any of the action even picked up.

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« Reply #12987 on: July 11, 2020, 04:42:55 PM »
This is like the beginning, middle, and end of a horror film.

Asuka uses "methods" to recover her health. I'm surprised she doesn't apply a thick coat of leeches.




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« Reply #12988 on: July 11, 2020, 04:57:06 PM »
COMING! COMING! COMING!

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« Reply #12989 on: July 12, 2020, 01:05:31 PM »
NJPW is back and :dead :dead :dead


EVIL won the NJ Cup, joined the Bullet Club, then won both IWGP and IC titles from Naito at Dominion and DICK TOGO is his Gedo. And somehow his attire is even WORSE now :lol :lol :lol Naito stays the worst booked man in wrestling even during a pandemic :lol :lol :lol :lol


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« Reply #12990 on: July 12, 2020, 03:04:43 PM »
is he wearing a dress :hhh

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« Reply #12991 on: July 12, 2020, 03:13:52 PM »
I blasted through 2002 and have thoughts:


Top matches, not necessarily in order and probably missing a few. There are a LOT of very good TV matches, but I'm just pointing out the matches I think you really should go out of your way to see if you haven't watched this era.

Ric Flair vs Vince McMahon Street Fight Royal Rumble
Rock vs Hulk Hogan WM 18
Undertaker vs Ric Flair WM 18
Kurt Angle vs Undertaker vs Rock Vengeance
Rock vs Brock Lesnar Summerslam
HBK vs HHH Summerslam
Edge/Rey Mysterio vs Kurt Angle/Chris Benoit No Mercy
Brock Lesnar vs Undertaker Unforgiven
HHH vs RVD Unforgiven
Brock Lesnar vs Undertaker HIAC No Mercy
Chris Benoit vs Eddie Guerrero Armageddon
Booker T/Goldust vs Dudley Boys vs Christian/Chris Jericho vs William Regal/Lance Storm Armageddon


Kurt Angle vs Rey Mysterio Smackdown 9/12/02 (imo better than the Summerslam match)
Kurt Angle/Chris Benoit vs Guerreros Smackdown 10/17/02
Kurt Angle/Chris Benoit vs Guerreros Smackdown 11/28/02
Eddie Guerrero vs Rey Mysterio Smackdown 11/14/02 (imo their best singles match against each other in WWE)
Chris Benoit/Kidman vs Guerreros Smackdown 12/12/02
Edge/Kidman vs Guerreros Smackdown 12/26/02
Goldust/Booker T vs Chris Jerichio/Christian Raw 12/23/02


These are the ones that really stood out to me as being very high quality, although I am sure I missed/skipped/didn't pay attention to some others. The reality is Smackdown every week from the split on has multiple good TV matches. Pretty much any of the Smackdown six related matches are good, almost all of the cruiserweight matches are fun TV matches, Kidman getting mixed into the SD 6 is always good, literally every match Brock has on SD after winning the title is worth a watch (I think the stand out probably being against Chuck Palumbo), Taker has a similar run of fun TV matches across both brands when he was Universal Champion, HHH has some really solid old school style matches against mid carders on Raw after getting the WHC, and almost all of the Booker/Goldust tags all year long are good. There's the Edge/Angle and Edge/Eddie series that are fondly remembered but Edge doesn't do it for me so I don't really care about them. TLC on Raw, Taker vs Hardy ladder match, etc. All of Rock's TV matches are good (I'd say the ones with Eddie and Angle probably stand out). There's a really solid Austin/Flair match from Raw.


Now, on to booking stuff. It really does feel like a different company at the start of the year to the finish. Pre split was still VERY Attitude Era crash TV, short matches with tons of interference, etc. The presentation changes on both shows after the split, matches become longer (although not nearly as long as modern era) with cleaner finishes more often, there's generally less backstage shenanigans in the sense of big scenes and angle taking place backstage like you got during the Attitude Era. Vince pretty much being absent from TV after June helps with this, although Bischoff and Steph were ALL over the shows and each others shows most of the time anyway, it felt different than it being Vince every week causing trouble. The Undisputed Championship was booked so well, it sucks that it only lasted a few months. Compare that to how the WWE/WHC titles were booked and how Jericho was booked as double champ and it's wild. Both shows were just trying shit out which led to a LOT of angles, push, and teams being abruptly dropped. Like John Cena getting the big push for 2 against top guys then they just....stopped having him on SD and then had him on Velocity feuding with cruiserweights and Rikishi. Same with Orton, who they gave 4-5 weeks of a good push on TV as a young rising star then just....stopped doing anything with him. You have things like 3MW being the super heavy team to losing handicap matches within 2 months. Teams like HurriKane coming out of nowhere and being dropped just as fast with no angle for either, then Hurricane briefly forming a team with Goldust only for that to get dropped and Goldust go back to teaming with Booker and Hurricane more or less vanishing from Raw the rest of the year.

One thing that really sticks out to me is how many gradual heel/face turns there were throughout the year. There aren't many big shocking turns. Most take place over weeks if not months. Examples: Ric Flair from face owner to heel owner (although his return to face and his return to heel later in the year were both very rushed), Taker's turn from sadistic dickhead bully heel to patriot to respected vet dapping up the new gen, Booker T going from loser heel to comedy heel to comedy face to pure babyface, Brock's turn from straight muscled up monster to doing some heinous mind games with Taker to getting some respect beaten into him and being humbled into a face to the point Heyman turned on him for it, Benoit's face turn purely from match quality.

I would say Taker is the MVP of the year, by far the best work of his career, and he played so many roles throughout the year from sadistic bully to whiny chicken shit to big dog of the yard to the respected vet taking younger talent under his wing and all of it was played to perfection. He's really a fulcrum for so many angles and stories throughout the year. His fucking with Flair in part leads to the brand extension. He stirs the shit in the Undisputed Championship realm the entire time it exists, and he really cements Brock as truly THE MAN after he beats some respect into Brock and pushes him into deep waters Brock had never been to, and Brock came out of it a changed man and wrestler. Kurt Angle is a runner up MVP, maybe more so in some ways but he was used more as an over all utility guy for most of the years and not in as important of a role as Taker was. Physically, I don't think there's ever been a more stud athlete alpha male in any company in any era than Kurt Angle in 2002. He's having good matches against literally everyone, he does comedy angles and promos as good as anyone, he does serious angles and promos as good as anyone, and he can switch back and forth without losing any credibility. However, most of the year he's used just to have good matches, put people over, or be used as filler and foil for other storylines.

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Re: Pro Wrasslin' Thread: I don't know what I just saw
« Reply #12992 on: July 12, 2020, 04:07:07 PM »
I was about to yell at you for leaving it off your list, but I checked and it turns out the Brock-Kurt Iron Man match is from 2003 so you're off the hook.

That match, tho

*chef's kiss*
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Re: Pro Wrasslin' Thread: I don't know what I just saw
« Reply #12994 on: July 12, 2020, 11:43:48 PM »
https://twitter.com/MsCharlotteWWE/status/1282452553964249089

I was wrong. I guess Charlotte does need more tit surgery.

Maybe some gazooms that fit her body.

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« Reply #12996 on: July 14, 2020, 12:12:55 PM »



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« Reply #12997 on: July 16, 2020, 02:37:53 PM »
God these no crowd shows and being pre-taped seems to have given everyone on all the shows an excuse to get sloppy as fuck and not worry about getting shit for it. Haven't seen so many blatantly whiffed strikes or mistimed spots since like....really shitty indie days. In the handful of matches from AEW/NXT since they went no/employee audience, this seems to be the worst with NXT women and Cody Rhodes matches.

I also have to lol at how you know they think they're doing this great subtle story telling on a slow burn Cody heel turn but it is so heavy handed and in your face :lol

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Re: Pro Wrasslin' Thread: I don't know what I just saw
« Reply #12998 on: July 16, 2020, 05:39:08 PM »
Cody Rhodes is a lower mid card level talent at best, the sooner people remember that the better.

I’ll give him that he’s smart enough to keep himself away from the main belt, cos I think the backlash would have started by now

 he’s basically a poor mans jeff Jarrett, but with a bigger last name

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« Reply #12999 on: July 19, 2020, 07:57:57 PM »
Hey, who's ready for family friendly entertainment with Seth Rollins and Rey Mysterio?

Would rather watch two matches with Tamina wrestling Nia Jax.

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« Reply #13000 on: July 19, 2020, 09:11:53 PM »
Hey, who's ready for family friendly entertainment with Seth Rollins and Rey Mysterio?


Did I just see Rollins puke up all over the place after that match?  What the fuck?   :lol
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« Reply #13001 on: July 19, 2020, 09:22:48 PM »
:dead :dead :dead at this shit






Has Seth just like...given up on workouts in the 'rona era or did he lose his juice plug? Maybe he's prepping for dad bod. He looks like shit for him.


Also

https://twitter.com/itsmellaluv/status/1285017814861066240


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Re: Pro Wrasslin' Thread: I don't know what I just saw
« Reply #13002 on: July 19, 2020, 09:30:54 PM »
Braun wants to fuck Alexa Bliss. That is all.

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« Reply #13003 on: July 19, 2020, 10:14:05 PM »
That PPV was just all-around awful.  Even the swamp match shit was just bad.
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« Reply #13004 on: July 20, 2020, 12:08:08 AM »
They really just shouldn't fucking bother aside from maybe the big 4 until they can have actual crowds again but Vince gonna Vince. :money
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« Reply #13006 on: July 27, 2020, 07:04:20 AM »
Misawa-san's legacy :mjcry

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« Reply #13007 on: July 27, 2020, 10:43:22 AM »
https://wrestlenomics.com/2020/07/26/wwe-annual-shareholder-meeting-7-16-2020-summary/



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Riddick: Our response to COVID has been highlighted by our tremendous creativity. Importantly, we adapted our business to continue to safely stage in-ring performances, produce other content for our global markets, and multiple distribution channels, as well as to market our brands. Supporting these achievements, we established extensive safety measures to protect the health and well-being of our talent and employees.

To mitigate the potential risk to our performers, we evaluated our operations and cost structure and developed extensive contingency plans. As a result we implemented a comprehensive mix of various short-term cost reductions and cash flow improvement actions. These included reducing executive and board member compensation, increasing operating expenses, third-party staffing, consulting, and talent costs, and reducing employee head count by way of a furlough.

An important outcome of our efforts is that we have been able to substantially offset the loss of live event ticket revenue and merchandise revenue with lower production costs and reduction in other expenses. To enhance liquidity we also deferred spending on our new headquarters, directly reducing 2020 capital expenditures by approximately $140 million. We temporarily suspended the repurchase of stock under our repurchase program, and withdrew $200 million from our revolving credit facility in early April. As such we believe we have sufficient liquidity, which totaled approximately $500 million at the end of the first quarter, to manage the challenges ahead.


I guess WWE doesn't want to mention that they only started testing after the first outbreak.  :doge


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Answered later in an investor question.

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As it relates to our talent, production, crew, and employees, we conduct COVID-19 testing in advance of any TV or content production, using polymerase chain reaction, or PCR, testing, which is the most statistically valid, highest level of accuracy test available today. No one is allowed to enter a WWE closed set without a negative COVID-19 test. Once on set individuals must wear masks when talent are not performing social distancing and sanitize where appropriate. In the event of a positive test result, individuals must self-quarantine for a minimum of 14 days, will not be cleared to work until they are symptom-free and test negative. Extensive contact tracing is done following any positive test. Individuals possibly exposed are identified in quarantine appropriately.

And this process is constantly being updated. We’re looking at this every day. Our medical staff working with state and local officials, as I mentioned, and the CDC, to reflect the most current data and medical recommendations available.

*Brandon’s note: WWE began testing in late June, after multiple people who were present at the Performance Center contracted the virus.

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Re: Pro Wrasslin' Thread: I don't know what I just saw
« Reply #13009 on: July 27, 2020, 05:05:51 PM »
 :lol :lol :lol

She’ll be booked as soon as the outlaw mud show groups get up and running again :cornette

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« Reply #13010 on: July 27, 2020, 05:33:19 PM »
"Decreased Operating Expenses" is that what they call all of the wrestlers they released recently???

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« Reply #13011 on: July 27, 2020, 05:54:32 PM »
I mean that but honestly they're probably saving more not needing to travel to put on shows in multiple locations a week
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Re: Pro Wrasslin' Thread: I don't know what I just saw
« Reply #13012 on: July 27, 2020, 09:58:55 PM »
What’s the deal with this boob window shirt Asuka wears now
Been wondering that the last couple weeks


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Re: Pro Wrasslin' Thread: I don't know what I just saw
« Reply #13013 on: July 27, 2020, 09:59:31 PM »
Adam Cole cusses up a storm.   :lol   



I don't know who Pat McAfee is but he just had HHH on and was invited to NXT.  Guess this is to set up a match between him and Cole at some PPV?
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« Reply #13014 on: July 27, 2020, 10:09:32 PM »
He's a former NFL player who transitioned into podcasts and sports broadcasting and has been doing NXT stuff for like 2 years and yes I'm positive it's part of a build up to a Takeover match

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« Reply #13015 on: July 27, 2020, 10:15:00 PM »
that should’ve been the ending the raw. Wtf are they gonna do the last 45 mins


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« Reply #13017 on: July 28, 2020, 07:10:28 AM »
Farewell, pirate bae :salute

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« Reply #13018 on: July 28, 2020, 07:13:48 AM »
I'll miss Kairi, but it's sad her claim to fame in WWE is that she was almost murdered three times by two different wrestlers.

She's not leaving WWE so much as she is fleeing.

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« Reply #13019 on: July 28, 2020, 07:38:33 AM »
Sure, Kairi won her last match last week, but it's sad that her last appearance was getting beaten up by Bailey.  :'(
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