Author Topic: Pro Wrasslin' Thread: I don't know what I just saw (Read 565499 times)

Stro · « **Reply #4440 on:** July 28, 2017, 01:17:42 AM »

There are a number of MSG/Philly/Boston shows and SNME from the period. Not any weekly TV, though.

Now that I think about it....I could have sworn they had the Hogan cartoon on the Network at one point.

TVC15 · « **Reply #4441 on:** July 28, 2017, 01:21:39 AM »

I'm editing a wrestling book right now (a great excuse to subject myself to this trash again). The big thing I learned today is that when Hogan was in Rocky III, he wasn't famous yet. I probably could have figured that out if I looked at dates.

Stro · « **Reply #4442 on:** July 28, 2017, 01:34:15 AM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on July 28, 2017, 01:21:39 AM

I'm editing a wrestling book right now (a great excuse to subject myself to this trash again). The one thing I learned today is that when Hogan was in Rocky III, he wasn't famous yet. I probably could have figured that out if I looked at dates.

Depends on how you define famous. He was already huge in Japan and had just come off of a year long, well selling feud with Andre in 1980, had done TV with Lou Ferrigno, and had exploded in AWA before Rocky III came out.

TVC15 · « **Reply #4443 on:** July 28, 2017, 02:08:58 AM »

Quote from: Stro on July 28, 2017, 01:34:15 AM

Quote from: TVC 15 on July 28, 2017, 01:21:39 AM
I'm editing a wrestling book right now (a great excuse to subject myself to this trash again). The one thing I learned today is that when Hogan was in Rocky III, he wasn't famous yet. I probably could have figured that out if I looked at dates.

Depends on how you define famous. He was already huge in Japan and had just come off of a year long, well selling feud with Andre in 1980, had done TV with Lou Ferrigno, and had exploded in AWA before Rocky III came out.

Yeah, I mean pre-Hulkamania (as in before even non-wrestling fans knew him). When I first saw the movie, I figured he got the part because of Hulkamania, but he wasn't even ever a face in the US until after R3 came out.

bork · « **Reply #4444 on:** July 28, 2017, 07:46:01 AM »

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There are reports that WWE is considering the idea of having another Superstar Shakeup following SummerSlam, likely in the fall timeframe.

The first Shakeup earlier this year initially led to great ratings but there was soon a big drop off as it is believed the movements led to less interesting rosters in general. It's possible the next Shakeup could be a way to rectify those changes.

Another change being talked about is to send one or more wrestlers from either Raw or Smackdown down to NXT. These wrestlers would be either those who were previously in NXT who Vince McMahon simply isn't going to push on the main roster or talent who are have no storylines but could end up being much more relevant on NXT as major players.

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter.

Doing a post-Summerslam roster change? Am all for it. But watch this basically gut Smackdown and turn it back into the shitty B-show again.

Sending people BACK to NXT? Not sure if that's a good idea (and wouldn't that be bad for talent morale?).

bork · « **Reply #4445 on:** July 28, 2017, 08:22:58 AM »

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Nashville on July 17 was the site of a recent story when people from both WWE and GFW ended up at the same bar at night. GFW had meetings in Nashville, whereas WWE held Raw in the city.

The story involves Karen Jarrett and Braun Strowman with the report indicating that Karen approached Strowman for an autograph for her son, who is apparently a fan of Braun's. Strowman reportedly had no idea who Karen was and depending on what version you want to believe, either was rude to Karen or swore at her.

Karen didn't take to it kindly and "immediately cut a major loud promo" on Braun for blowing her off and during her tirade indicated that she would go and tell her son's father about this incident. Her ex-husband and son's father is none other than Kurt Angle.

When Strowman heard this, he was said to immediately change his tune and agreed to not only sign the autograph, but he was said to have "begged" Karen not to tell Kurt or anyone else. He also repeatedly apologized but Karen said she would still be telling Kurt about this so Strowman then reportedly said he'd get on his knees and beg.

As the story goes, Strowman did eventually get on his knees and begged her not to tell anyone in front of a lot of WWE wrestlers. Karen then said that even if Kurt was not the father of her son, he should not act like that to a mother who was simply asking for an autograph for her son and Strowman agreed and once again apologized.

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #4446 on:** July 28, 2017, 09:48:56 AM »

I don't dislike the idea but can't imagine that would go over well with any potential demotees, especially if they're going back to NXT sized paychecks too

Stro · « **Reply #4447 on:** July 28, 2017, 05:11:31 PM »

People have asked to work NXT because there is more freedom and hotter crowds. I don't think anyone is going to be mad about getting put on NXT.

FunSlower · « **Reply #4448 on:** July 28, 2017, 06:12:20 PM »

You tell me if the Ascension would benefit by going back to NXT

I say yes

(so would Sami)

Stro · « **Reply #4449 on:** July 28, 2017, 06:33:29 PM »

Also SD got significantly worse the better their roster got, so I don't think them getting gutted will matter much in another shake up.

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #4450 on:** July 29, 2017, 12:03:53 AM »

Doesn't NXT pay significantly worse than the main roster?

Stro · « **Reply #4451 on:** July 29, 2017, 12:15:30 AM »

For actual developmental people, yes. I don't think they're going to cut Ziggler's pay in half to send him to NXT.

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #4452 on:** July 29, 2017, 01:37:51 AM »

Holy shit, is that rumored/gonna happen? that would be fucking awesome

FunSlower · « **Reply #4453 on:** July 31, 2017, 03:53:44 PM »

Dump Ziggler.

Stro · « **Reply #4454 on:** August 01, 2017, 03:12:59 AM »

https://twitter.com/Strobogo/status/892281481585979392

FunSlower · « **Reply #4455 on:** August 01, 2017, 09:09:21 AM »

What an awful angle on that whiff. Might have been the best they had, too.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #4456 on:** August 01, 2017, 10:18:02 AM »

It really bums me out that Elias Samson's gimmick is a wandering singer/songwriter and the dude doing it sucks at both of those things. It sucks, but not in the heel way.

Stro · « **Reply #4457 on:** August 01, 2017, 01:34:52 PM »

It sucking is the gimmick. I didn't like it in NXT but the clips I've seen from Raw he seems to be doing well for himself. Jacked as hell. Looking twice as big and charismatic as Balor.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #4458 on:** August 01, 2017, 01:43:46 PM »

I think it's a bad gimmick. It sucks in the wrong way and doesn't endear him as a heel. It's just boring. He doesn't have the flair to pull off the gimmick.

He's basically doing Hollywood Rock Concert thing except it's bad.

Stro · « **Reply #4459 on:** August 01, 2017, 01:59:34 PM »

Yeah...that's the point of the gimmick. It's a troll gimmick. Either you lulz at it or hate it. I lulz at Balor going from the chosen one to coming back to do a month long feud with a troll comedy character and getting his ass beat.

FunSlower · « **Reply #4460 on:** August 01, 2017, 04:35:31 PM »

Really surprised Elias is taking off in any form, thought he'd be DOA

Then again, Vince is the Hitmaker, I'm just a pleb.

Stro · « **Reply #4461 on:** August 01, 2017, 11:34:24 PM »

Cena/Nak was pretty good for such a giant match within the confines of a TV match with commercials and whatnot that kill the flow of a big time match. Certainly the most Nak has tried on TV since he WWE debut. I still don't know why they'd throw that out there on TV weeks before the second biggest show of the year, even if PPVs really don't mean anything anymore. Cena vs Nakamura first time ever feels like it should be a showcase on a giant show, not random TV match with one week of build.

Still, it was a good TV match. Except for that brutal head drop. Idk how that move got messed up that bad, but, dang. Also genuinely surprised that it was a real match with a real, clean finish.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #4462 on:** August 02, 2017, 09:52:16 AM »

I'm mostly surprised Nakamura went over cleanly and is getting a title shot. Then again, they've already established a feud with him and Corbin, who has the MitB case, and teased a match with AJ, which I wanna see more than Cena-Nakamura. Have that shit at WM.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #4463 on:** August 02, 2017, 10:01:07 AM »

It's hard to say who botched what on that move. I don't know enough about the physics about the reverse exploder suplex to know who's doing the brunt of the work but it looks like Cena needs to jump and pivot his body to make it work? And it doesn't look like he did?

Stro · « **Reply #4464 on:** August 02, 2017, 10:04:15 AM »

It seemed like Cena thought it was a back drop and Nak either wasn't strong enough or noticed too late to force him over more. Accidents happen. Good thing Cena's neck and shoulders are made of adamantium.

TVC15 · « **Reply #4465 on:** August 02, 2017, 10:11:45 AM »

I think we would've heard by now if Cena was seriously injured, right? Maybe it's because I haven't watched this stuff since the 90s, but I don't hate the guy in WWE, and everything I've seen about the real guy seems to paint a good picture about him.

Stro · « **Reply #4466 on:** August 02, 2017, 10:18:46 AM »

I don't think he was hurt at all.

nachobro · « **Reply #4467 on:** August 02, 2017, 10:22:11 AM »

Nak/Jinder should be an interesting match, but I hope they get some practice in beforehand.

That drop definitely looks like it should have hurt, but yeah Cena is made of steel. Also that post-SD bit might be a setup for Cena/Corbin? I'd be down to watch that for sure.

bork · « **Reply #4468 on:** August 02, 2017, 01:14:40 PM »

Quote from: nachobro on August 02, 2017, 10:22:11 AM

Also that post-SD bit might be a setup for Cena/Corbin? I'd be down to watch that for sure.

Seems like it would have to be those two, unless Cena heads over to RAW to set up a Summerslam match instead. If that happens, I wonder what Corbin will do, since the WWE doesn't want him cashing in until Jinder is out of the title picture.

bork · « **Reply #4469 on:** August 02, 2017, 05:14:17 PM »

If Nakamura wins...yeah, could happen.

Looks like Cena is moving to Raw after SummerSlam, but will then leave the WWE again to go film that Transformers Bumblebee spin-off movie.

Stro · « **Reply #4470 on:** August 02, 2017, 06:21:26 PM »

I was randomly thinking about Cesaro after seeing people STILL acting like he's the most held back talent ever and would be such a huge star back on the indies and in Japan. He was on the indies and worked in Japan. He wasn't pushed as a huge star then, either. In fact, the biggest push of his pre-WWE career came as...part of a tag team where he took on the personality and gimmick of his more established tag partner. PWG put the title on him before they really blew up, but no one else did.

If he's such an incredible talent and Vince just doesn't know how to book him, why is it that every other promoter in the world booked him the same way?

Trent Dole · « **Reply #4471 on:** August 03, 2017, 05:10:43 AM »

Quote from: Stro on August 02, 2017, 06:21:26 PM

I was randomly thinking about Cesaro after seeing people STILL acting like he's the most held back talent ever and would be such a huge star back on the indies and in Japan. He was on the indies and worked in Japan. He wasn't pushed as a huge star then, either. In fact, the biggest push of his pre-WWE career came as...part of a tag team where he took on the personality and gimmick of his more established tag partner. PWG put the title on him before they really blew up, but no one else did.

If he's such an incredible talent and Vince just doesn't know how to book him, why is it that every other promoter in the world booked him the same way?

bork · « **Reply #4472 on:** August 03, 2017, 07:28:05 AM »

Cesaro is number one one on my list of "wrestlers who desperately need a new entrance theme." Bring back the James Bond-esque theme they stole from Dean Malenko...sans the rap.

FunSlower · « **Reply #4473 on:** August 03, 2017, 10:19:59 AM »

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on August 03, 2017, 06:12:28 AM

Cesaro is bland as hell. I never saw why he should ever get pushed. When your most popular move is swinging people around you're nothing but a novelty.

Since he's been wearing a skirt lately all I can think of is an old Headbanger Mosh

TVC15 · « **Reply #4474 on:** August 03, 2017, 11:20:00 AM »

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on August 03, 2017, 06:12:28 AM

Cesaro is bland as hell. I never saw why he should ever get pushed. When your most popular move is swinging people around you're nothing but a novelty.

I don't even think the dude is bad, but that swinging thing is likely the dumbest move in WWE. Worse than even the superman punch.

bork · « **Reply #4475 on:** August 03, 2017, 12:30:06 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on August 03, 2017, 11:20:00 AM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on August 03, 2017, 06:12:28 AM
Cesaro is bland as hell. I never saw why he should ever get pushed. When your most popular move is swinging people around you're nothing but a novelty.

I don't even think the dude is bad, but that swinging thing is likely the dumbest move in WWE. Worse than even the superman punch.

Eh, the crowd likes it though.

FunSlower · « **Reply #4476 on:** August 03, 2017, 05:40:35 PM »

I like the swing, it's really all he's got in-ring that gives him personality aside from his really bad-weird uppercunts.

Stro · « **Reply #4477 on:** August 03, 2017, 05:47:19 PM »

You know how people say Vince should let him be himself and he'd get so over. Remember when he was himself and the gimmick/character he came up for himself was Swiss banker with terribly tacky suits who says HEY a lot?

FunSlower · « **Reply #4478 on:** August 03, 2017, 05:48:29 PM »

Quote from: Stro on August 03, 2017, 05:47:19 PM

You know how people say Vince should let him be himself and he'd get so over. Remember when he was himself and the gimmick/character he came up for himself was Swiss banker with terribly tacky suits who says HEY a lot?

Whenever they let him be himself he's proven he's missing SOMETHING. It's funny because remember that Stone Cold Vince podcast? He said everything. Guy has it all except he's missing something. He can't say what it is, or they'd work on it, but he's missing SOMETHING.

Vince was right. The Hitmaker speaks.

Stro · « **Reply #4479 on:** August 03, 2017, 06:53:23 PM »

Man, Summerslam has really had some real bangers

Hart Foundation vs Demolition
Hart Foundation vs Brainbusters
Bret vs Perfect
Bret vs Owen
HBK vs Razor ladder match 2
D'Lo vs Val Venis
Test vs Shane
TLC 1
Austin vs Angle
Rey vs Angle
HBK vs HHH Street Fight
Brock vs Rock
The lulz of Hogan/HBK
Orton vs Christian
Brock vs Punk
Bryan vs Cena
Stephanie vs Brie
Brock vs Taker
AJ vs Cena
Charlotte vs Sasha

bork · « **Reply #4480 on:** August 04, 2017, 09:22:50 AM »

nachobro · « **Reply #4481 on:** August 04, 2017, 01:30:50 PM »

https://twitter.com/natalieevamarie/status/893502453332664320

She will be missed

Momo · « **Reply #4482 on:** August 07, 2017, 12:34:38 AM »

when? what? howwww??? lmao

FunSlower · « **Reply #4483 on:** August 07, 2017, 04:05:17 PM »

Big Dave, everything is perfect

nachobro · « **Reply #4484 on:** August 09, 2017, 09:44:02 AM »

After 205 Live there was a long commercial for a Batista collection on the Network but I got hyped for a second cause I thought it was WWE announcing his return

Also goddamn those Canadians love the cruiserweights. They popped more for 205 Live than literally any other USA crowd

archie4208 · « **Reply #4485 on:** August 12, 2017, 01:40:42 PM »

Lads I know it's a given, but Omega/Okada 3 was really fucking good. Other matches from G1 I'd suggest would be Ibushi/Naito, Ishii/Ibushi, Omega/Elgin, and Okada/Suzuki.

Stro · « **Reply #4486 on:** August 12, 2017, 01:48:46 PM »

I'm, I think 8 or 9 days behind G1. Going to try to catch up in the next few days, as I've entered a dark era of Summerslams that I don't really want to keep up with. 2004 sucked. And it looks like the rest suck up to 2011, too.

archie4208 · « **Reply #4487 on:** August 13, 2017, 04:58:33 PM »

Finals were excellent, but probably not the best match of the tournament.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

There was a sick top rope powerbomb counter into a frankensteiner counter that made me gasp

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Also, this happened

archie4208 · « **Reply #4488 on:** August 14, 2017, 09:04:16 AM »

https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/897077374260436994

Hope he pulls through.

FunSlower · « **Reply #4489 on:** August 14, 2017, 09:44:41 AM »

It was "not a big deal" the other day, but it was ICU.

Now it's about prayers? Oy vey. Not a good thing.

nachobro · « **Reply #4490 on:** August 14, 2017, 10:22:44 AM »

Oh no, hope he pulls through

archie4208 · « **Reply #4491 on:** August 14, 2017, 04:08:22 PM »

http://www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/20340087/wwe-hall-famer-ric-flair-medically-induced-coma
http://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/ric-flair-medically-induced-coma-set-undergo-procedure-240961

Make it you son of a bitch.

Trent Dole · « **Reply #4492 on:** August 14, 2017, 05:26:30 PM »

Honestly it's nuts Flair's lasted as long as he has. I'd prepare for sads.

Stro · « **Reply #4493 on:** August 14, 2017, 06:53:14 PM »

Fuck it he lived the life he wanted to live. No one should be sad that Ric Flair drank himself to death. That's exactly how he'd want to go out.

nachobro · « **Reply #4494 on:** August 14, 2017, 09:07:42 PM »

https://twitter.com/LegacyTalentCEO/status/897230443359215617

well at least he made it through the surgery

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #4495 on:** August 15, 2017, 01:33:41 PM »

Going to SummerSlam for free

Trent Dole · « **Reply #4496 on:** August 15, 2017, 03:55:33 PM »

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on August 15, 2017, 01:33:41 PM

Going to SummerSlam for free

That's a fair price for a modern day wwe ppv.

Nah this is one of the big four so it should be a good time.

bork · « **Reply #4497 on:** August 15, 2017, 09:58:20 PM »

Baron Corbin just ran out into the Jinder/Cena main event and cashed in...and lost in seconds. Cena saved Jinder.

nachobro · « **Reply #4498 on:** August 15, 2017, 10:58:36 PM »

That was fantastic holy shit!

Jinder will never be hindered

Stro · « **Reply #4499 on:** August 16, 2017, 12:45:14 AM »

I finished the G1 and man, I'm really reaching my limit of enjoying seeing guys land on their head 40 times a match and coming up with increasingly more dangerous spots and bumps. I'm not sure how much farther they can raise the bar before someone gets injured even worse than Shibata.

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