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« Reply #9960 on: November 22, 2019, 11:14:35 PM »
Why is it the shirts that the wrestlers were wearing they were able to get stylish NXT shirts, but RAW and Smackdown shirts were so bland

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« Reply #9961 on: November 23, 2019, 12:05:52 AM »
I so want to buy a Cornette shirt but it would probably get my hair set on fire in Berkeley.
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« Reply #9962 on: November 23, 2019, 12:16:43 AM »
corny is a lib  ::)
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« Reply #9964 on: November 23, 2019, 01:57:46 AM »
That did not look good
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« Reply #9965 on: November 23, 2019, 10:19:49 AM »

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« Reply #9966 on: November 23, 2019, 01:12:24 PM »
internet pointing out that Kevin Owens wasn't in the full roster brawls last night so maybe he's the last dude on Team Ciampa?

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« Reply #9967 on: November 23, 2019, 02:30:46 PM »
You know, Sin is actually a pretty solid show. It was probably the best WCW PPV since Spring Stampede 1999, which isn't saying much since WCW PPVs had been atrocious since then, especially all of 2000. There's a real sense of enthusiasm from the talent and announcers, and most everything at least has logical booking and storytelling even if the execution isn't flawless.

The only thing that really doesn't make sense and is real WCW fuckery is the entire main event scene, where Flair is CEO and keeps booking Steiner in disadvantagous matches and Jeff Jarrett is Scott's buddy but keeps getting booked into forced situations to turn on him or otherwise cause conflict, and then there's a mystery man that keeps attacking Sid so Flair brings a mystery man himself who also beats up Sid and then it turns out the whole thing was a month(s) long ruse and Flair/Steiner were in cahoots the whole time.

The thing that really stands out is how terribly WCW handled Sid's injury. Because he needed to be pinned, they just let him hang out in the ring with his leg dangling, the "match" continued, Scott Steiner at one point actually steps on his broken leg, and it's a good 5-6 minutes before a trainer is in the ring checking on him. WWE would have immediately ended the match by either just stopping it or having Steiner quickly pin him and do the mystery surprise after.

One thing that stood out was the crowd seemed unusually hot for dying days WCW, and my suspicions were confirmed where there's a brief part in the main event where the fake crowd noise completely cuts out and the audience is as silent as you'd expect :dead


Helms/Chavo was a stand out match, Jung Dragons vs Karagias/Knoble was pretty good, and DDP/Nash vs Palumbo/O'Haire was a really well thought out/laid out match with Nash working about as hard as you're going to see him after 1997.


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« Reply #9969 on: November 23, 2019, 04:36:36 PM »
Also continuing with the Flair/Steiner/main event scene not making sense: The next night on Nitro, Flair is going around begging mid carders to join his stable, and everyone pretty much blows him off, which makes the whole stable look like geeks from the start :lol I don't even know what Flair's motivation is here. He's already the CEO, there's nothing more he could do to gain more power, but the stable seems to be about amassing all the power and controlling WCW....which he already does because he's CEO.  :confused



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« Reply #9970 on: November 23, 2019, 05:24:53 PM »
Just realized there's also a chance of John Morrison being the 4th man :lol

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« Reply #9971 on: November 23, 2019, 05:35:13 PM »
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« Reply #9972 on: November 23, 2019, 05:50:51 PM »
Basically whoever it is will get a meh reaction because it's not gonna be Gargano or Dream, and they're in Chicago and CM Punk just sorta kinda maybe not really returned so of course everyone is going to just be chanting "CM Punk" like assholes all night anyway.
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« Reply #9973 on: November 23, 2019, 07:17:35 PM »
I started Takeover about 10 minutes late and started from the beginning....why the hell is Dakota Kai in this after all?

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« Reply #9974 on: November 23, 2019, 07:34:17 PM »
I started Takeover about 10 minutes late and started from the beginning....why the hell is Dakota Kai in this after all?

One of the announcers said that Mia Yim was too injured or something. Dakota Kai was in for the heel turn, I guess.

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« Reply #9975 on: November 23, 2019, 07:55:33 PM »
4 v 2 and the team with 2 girls wins? :pacspit

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« Reply #9976 on: November 23, 2019, 07:56:38 PM »
2 DISTAFF DIVISION SUPERSTARS you ageist sexist fuck

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« Reply #9977 on: November 23, 2019, 08:12:42 PM »
I started Takeover about 10 minutes late and started from the beginning....why the hell is Dakota Kai in this after all?

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« Reply #9978 on: November 23, 2019, 08:22:52 PM »
Not much of a mystery, I see.   :lol   Started watching it late, from the beginning- Wargames is good stuff so far but I might skip the next match. 
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« Reply #9979 on: November 23, 2019, 08:38:10 PM »
There's something funny about this brutality being sponsored by Mattel.
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« Reply #9980 on: November 23, 2019, 09:12:27 PM »
Kevin Owens back on NXT?
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« Reply #9981 on: November 23, 2019, 09:12:52 PM »
PWG presents WAR GAMES

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« Reply #9982 on: November 23, 2019, 09:13:55 PM »
PWG presents WAR GAMES

But PWG was an outlaw show!  :cornette

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« Reply #9983 on: November 23, 2019, 09:14:49 PM »
A mud show!

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« Reply #9984 on: November 23, 2019, 09:21:24 PM »
CTE CTE CTE

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« Reply #9985 on: November 23, 2019, 09:28:31 PM »
Heh, they mentioned Britt Baker on air and shown her after Adam Cole got drilled into the table.

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« Reply #9986 on: November 23, 2019, 09:51:58 PM »
WAR GAMES: The Match Beyond Reseda

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« Reply #9987 on: November 23, 2019, 10:09:12 PM »
Thoughts on Takeover:

Women's match was way better than the men's. Men's had WAY too much downtime between spots and went way too long in general. Dakota finally snapping and slamming a cage door on someone :rejoice Lol at, much like both ladder matches having the same ending, both war games ended with the next in line for a title shot pinning the champ with a super finisher through a weapon. The air raid crash from the top of the cage seemed ill advised. That doesn't look like how you'd want someone to take the move standing from the mat, so from 15 feet up seems not ideal.

Balor/Riddle never really picked up much for me. Thought Balor would bring some of the shit head Devitt stuff back, but he didn't even wrestle like a heel at all and was the same Finn Balor as the past 3 years except he was frowning instead of smiling.

Triple threat went on longer than it should have and was definitely wearing out its welcome by the end, but it was much better than I'd ever have imagined or gave a shit at all about over the past 2 months of build on TV for it.

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« Reply #9988 on: November 23, 2019, 11:46:16 PM »
You know, Sin is actually a pretty solid show. It was probably the best WCW PPV since Spring Stampede 1999, which isn't saying much since WCW PPVs had been atrocious since then, especially all of 2000. There's a real sense of enthusiasm from the talent and announcers, and most everything at least has logical booking and storytelling even if the execution isn't flawless.

The only thing that really doesn't make sense and is real WCW fuckery is the entire main event scene, where Flair is CEO and keeps booking Steiner in disadvantagous matches and Jeff Jarrett is Scott's buddy but keeps getting booked into forced situations to turn on him or otherwise cause conflict, and then there's a mystery man that keeps attacking Sid so Flair brings a mystery man himself who also beats up Sid and then it turns out the whole thing was a month(s) long ruse and Flair/Steiner were in cahoots the whole time.

The thing that really stands out is how terribly WCW handled Sid's injury. Because he needed to be pinned, they just let him hang out in the ring with his leg dangling, the "match" continued, Scott Steiner at one point actually steps on his broken leg, and it's a good 5-6 minutes before a trainer is in the ring checking on him. WWE would have immediately ended the match by either just stopping it or having Steiner quickly pin him and do the mystery surprise after.

One thing that stood out was the crowd seemed unusually hot for dying days WCW, and my suspicions were confirmed where there's a brief part in the main event where the fake crowd noise completely cuts out and the audience is as silent as you'd expect :dead


Helms/Chavo was a stand out match, Jung Dragons vs Karagias/Knoble was pretty good, and DDP/Nash vs Palumbo/O'Haire was a really well thought out/laid out match with Nash working about as hard as you're going to see him after 1997.

How dare you speak of the Sid injury without posting a video of it. Don’t pretend like you don’t know the TOS.
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« Reply #9989 on: November 23, 2019, 11:48:26 PM »
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« Reply #9990 on: November 24, 2019, 09:34:23 AM »
Also note that before Flair's group was called the Magnificent Seven (because there weren't 7 members yet), he was calling it.....THE ELITE. At least once, The The Elite. :lol

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« Reply #9992 on: November 24, 2019, 09:59:15 AM »
God now she's even infecting NXT? :stahp

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« Reply #9994 on: November 24, 2019, 10:02:13 AM »
Is she sitting next to Adam Cole's even more Florida man brother?

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« Reply #9995 on: November 24, 2019, 10:05:58 AM »
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UPDATE: On his post-show media conference call, Triple H addressed Baker being shown on the feed. He said the person in the truck who used the shot didn’t know she worked for a rival promotion. Once she’d been shown however, they had to mention it, which is why Mauro said her name. Triple H said he’d never want to put her in a position to get heat for appearing on a WWE show.

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« Reply #9996 on: November 24, 2019, 10:11:51 AM »
I remember one of the Highlanders was sitting in the crowd at an Impact taping and they not only showed him on screen but gave him a title card with his real name and WWE superstar and it pretty much got him fired.

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« Reply #9997 on: November 24, 2019, 12:51:06 PM »
Was there a more comically bad performer in wrestling than Lex Luger in 1999-2001? It's like he completely forgot how to do anything in his one job he'd been at for about 15 years. His actual wrestling is at an all time worst where he's clearly not even attempting to put any effort into anything, his promos are at an all time worst where he's constantly stumbling over lines and stuttering, just being on camera he's constantly looking directly into the camera and at directors during segments, always missing his cues. It's really fascinating.


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« Reply #9998 on: November 24, 2019, 01:42:39 PM »
They should have given her a "Britt Baker- She's a dentist" chryon.
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« Reply #9999 on: November 24, 2019, 02:51:23 PM »
Was there a more comically bad performer in wrestling than Lex Luger in 1999-2001? It's like he completely forgot how to do anything in his one job he'd been at for about 15 years. His actual wrestling is at an all time worst where he's clearly not even attempting to put any effort into anything, his promos are at an all time worst where he's constantly stumbling over lines and stuttering, just being on camera he's constantly looking directly into the camera and at directors during segments, always missing his cues. It's really fascinating.


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« Reply #10000 on: November 24, 2019, 06:32:39 PM »
So, uh, was Lex Luger ever actually any good? I only know him from his first WWF run and late 90s WCW, but he always came across as a trash-tier everything outside of looks, and he even looked like shit by the time of that WCW run.

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« Reply #10001 on: November 24, 2019, 07:01:16 PM »
He was very solid in 1987-1991ish, at least very carryable and willing to work. HE was also a bad promo, and his WWF run was bad, but I did quite enjoy the Sting/Lex dynamic in the early Nitro days, and I'm still not sure why he was so fucking over in 1997 besides the torture rack was cool and he had a rad entrance theme. Anything after the Wolfpac, he's just so awful, but it turned a corner in late 1999 where he started to become entertainingly bad and by the time 2001 comes around he's fascinating because I don't think I've ever seen a guy so blatantly fuck off like that with no worries of repercussions or professional pride.

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« Reply #10002 on: November 24, 2019, 07:12:04 PM »
Time for Survivor Series to not be as good as Wargames

King, who is looking at NXT as "the underdogs?"  :doge

So if it means anything, NXT got one point and Raw got one point on the pre-show- Lio Rush won his match and THE VIKING EXPERIENCE got their win.
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« Reply #10003 on: November 24, 2019, 07:30:11 PM »
He was very solid in 1987-1991ish, at least very carryable and willing to work. HE was also a bad promo, and his WWF run was bad, but I did quite enjoy the Sting/Lex dynamic in the early Nitro days, and I'm still not sure why he was so fucking over in 1997 besides the torture rack was cool and he had a rad entrance theme. Anything after the Wolfpac, he's just so awful, but it turned a corner in late 1999 where he started to become entertainingly bad and by the time 2001 comes around he's fascinating because I don't think I've ever seen a guy so blatantly fuck off like that with no worries of repercussions or professional pride.

If any particularly good clips cross yr mind, please share if you can. I generally love it when people stop giving a fuck at all in this manner.
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« Reply #10004 on: November 24, 2019, 07:37:43 PM »
He was very solid in 1987-1991ish, at least very carryable and willing to work. HE was also a bad promo, and his WWF run was bad, but I did quite enjoy the Sting/Lex dynamic in the early Nitro days, and I'm still not sure why he was so fucking over in 1997 besides the torture rack was cool and he had a rad entrance theme. Anything after the Wolfpac, he's just so awful, but it turned a corner in late 1999 where he started to become entertainingly bad and by the time 2001 comes around he's fascinating because I don't think I've ever seen a guy so blatantly fuck off like that with no worries of repercussions or professional pride.

If any particularly good clips cross yr mind, please share if you can. I generally love it when people stop giving a fuck at all in this manner.

Without exaggeration, literally anything he's involved with on screen from like....late 1999 on.

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« Reply #10005 on: November 24, 2019, 07:38:18 PM »
Don't buy the NXT women's team working together as if last night's Wargames match never happened.  Zero in-fighting?  We got it on the Raw side.

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« Reply #10006 on: November 24, 2019, 07:38:34 PM »
That match was a cluster fuck as expected, weird to have NXT use cheap heel tactics to steal a win and then act like heels afterwards too.

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« Reply #10007 on: November 24, 2019, 07:40:23 PM »
That match was a cluster fuck as expected, weird to have NXT use cheap heel tactics to steal a win and then act like heels afterwards too.

NXT has been heel-ish in the shows leading up to this PPV...but it still doesn't make sense after Takeover.
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« Reply #10008 on: November 24, 2019, 07:43:21 PM »
As opposed to Lex Luger circa late 1999-2001, Seth Rollins is trying so hard right now but failing at being entertaining.
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« Reply #10009 on: November 24, 2019, 07:44:09 PM »
The crowd despises Rollins  :lol

This would be a good time to have him turn heel and cost his team the match or even switch to another brand or something...but they won't do that.
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« Reply #10010 on: November 24, 2019, 07:47:10 PM »
That match was a cluster fuck as expected, weird to have NXT use cheap heel tactics to steal a win and then act like heels afterwards too.

NXT has been heel-ish in the shows leading up to this PPV...but it still doesn't make sense after Takeover.


But the crowd has treated them like faces, even Adam Cole, and the crowd is going to support the NXT offering in I would suggest probably every match except maybe this triple threat and the women's triple threat all night.

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« Reply #10011 on: November 24, 2019, 07:49:34 PM »
Yeah- since when does Vince listen to the crowd reactions?  :lol
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« Reply #10012 on: November 24, 2019, 07:51:07 PM »
Holy shit you weren’t kidding :lol



This is great! And Lex Luger in a FUBU jersey? That’s peak WCW. WCW in a nutshell.
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« Reply #10013 on: November 24, 2019, 07:51:10 PM »
The thing that really stood out to me in the women's clusterfuck was Charlotte's aura seems to have completely evaporated over this year. She was part of the main event of WM this year as well, but she was just another random woman in the match as interchangeable with Dana Brooke or Natayla. Also was really surprised there wasn't a Sasha/Io segment considering how much of a mark Sasha is for all the joshi women.

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« Reply #10014 on: November 24, 2019, 07:51:56 PM »
Holy shit you weren’t kidding :lol



This is great! And Lex Luger in a FUBU jersey? That’s peak WCW. WCW in a nutshell.


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« Reply #10015 on: November 24, 2019, 07:57:54 PM »
Jesus everyone is so gigantic in these old WCW clips.
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« Reply #10016 on: November 24, 2019, 07:58:59 PM »
This is the most fired up I've seen Nak America in a long time but I realize now that I don't think I've even seen him in a match since Wrestlemania when he was in the lazy tag team with Rusev

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« Reply #10017 on: November 24, 2019, 07:59:01 PM »
While I know the WWE are bad at getting faces over I do wonder if the now smarky crowd that will always boo whichever babyface wwe chooses regardless if they suck or not is also an issue.

Smarky crowds are more likely to cheer heels I figure.

They boo the guys who are pushed as "superman good-guys" and crammed down their throats.  Happened with The Rock but he got heel turns to get the crowd back on his side, then continued with Cena, Reigns, and now Rollins. 
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« Reply #10018 on: November 24, 2019, 08:00:29 PM »


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« Reply #10019 on: November 24, 2019, 08:06:03 PM »
Why was this match triple threat rules but not the women's team match?  ???
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