Author Topic: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed) (Read 2696480 times)

Turn-based RPGs were originally created out of necessity and anyone that still enjoys sinking hundreds of hours into what largely boils down to sifting through menus and waiting your turn is likely just suffering from nostalgia crossed with Stockholm syndrome.

There are electric cars, we have super computers in our pockets connected to the majority of knowledge in the world, and the McRib regularly comes back -- we're living in the future, people. If you want to play board games or D&D, then do so, but don't make video games conform to archaic, unnecessary, and time-wasting constraints.

Shuri · « **Reply #35766 on:** June 17, 2014, 03:35:45 PM »

Don't hate on legit macho turn based manfest like X-Com and Space Hulk. Nothing more relaxing than planning vicious firefights while relaxing on the patio after a hard day at work.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #35767 on:** June 17, 2014, 03:37:41 PM »

Quote from: Shuri on June 17, 2014, 03:35:45 PM

Don't hate on legit macho turn based manfest like X-Com and Space Hulk. Nothing more relaxing than planning vicious firefights while relaxing on the patio after a hard day at work.

dap this man

Esch

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #35768 on:** June 17, 2014, 03:40:08 PM »

Quote from: Esch on June 17, 2014, 03:30:29 PM

turn based is and only weaboos still love that shit

You have played 200 hours of Civ V. A turn based strategy game.

X-Com is hugely successful. Turn based.

The recent crpg revival? Turn based first person dungeon crawlers. Turn based infinity engine spiritual successors.

But no. Only weaboos like turn based and turn based is old and crappy.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #35769 on:** June 17, 2014, 03:40:23 PM »

FTL, Civilization, etc.

I'll take good turn based over real time in pretty much any genre.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #35770 on:** June 17, 2014, 03:41:01 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 17, 2014, 03:40:08 PM

Quote from: Esch on June 17, 2014, 03:30:29 PM
turn based is and only weaboos still love that shit

You have played 200 hours of Civ V. A turn based strategy game.

X-Com is hugely successful. Turn based.

The recent crpg? Turn based first person dungeon crawlers. Turn based infinity engine spiritual successors.

But no. Only weaboos like turn based and turn based is old and crappy.

Take an L from Himuro brehs

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #35771 on:** June 17, 2014, 03:41:29 PM »

I will always prefer turn based. Doesn't matter if it's western or Japanese.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #35772 on:** June 17, 2014, 03:45:01 PM »

Fire Emblem

X-COM

Advance Wars

Space Hulk

How can you not like executing a perfect counter, flank, etc in a turn based game?

king of the internet · « **Reply #35773 on:** June 17, 2014, 03:47:09 PM »

I mean I get why you'd dislike turn based of you want to just mindlessly hack away at shit, but some of us like kicking back and enjoying the satisfaction of formulating a winning strategy. It's basically using your brain vs. your thumbs.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #35774 on:** June 17, 2014, 03:48:13 PM »

Even most rogue likes are turn based and indies have an obsession with them.

What is it with westaboos thinking they're better than weaboos when westaboo gaming is chock full of the same tropes and bullshit as weaboo gaming? Weaboo rpgs have elves that are 12 years old. Westaboo RPGs have elves that have DDD size cups and boob armor. The best jrpgs are turn based. The best crpgs are turn based. The superiority complex from westaboos, is frankly, alarming. But more than that, hilarious.

When you think of turn based games you think of Japanese games? For real? And not Might and Magic or Baldurs Gate?

Tasty · « **Reply #35775 on:** June 17, 2014, 03:50:48 PM »

Pokemans

Kara · « **Reply #35776 on:** June 17, 2014, 03:55:30 PM »

Red Scarlet destroyed the first Football Thread community at GAF and we've been vagabonds ever since.

Tasty · « **Reply #35777 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:00:29 PM »

I heard Scar streams a lot but I don't know what the site is, anyone feel like PMing me?

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #35778 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:03:02 PM »

Quote from: Esch on June 17, 2014, 03:51:55 PM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 17, 2014, 03:40:08 PM

You have played 200 hours of Civ V. A turn based strategy game.

X-Com is hugely successful. Turn based.

The recent crpg revival? Turn based first person dungeon crawlers. Turn based infinity engine spiritual successors.

But no. Only weaboos like turn based and turn based is old and crappy.

Strategy=/= RPG

But they intersect all the time. Valyrie Profile 2, final Fantasy tactics, Warcraft 3, and kings Bounty are good examples.

king of the internet · « **Reply #35779 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:03:26 PM »

Quote from: Karakand on June 17, 2014, 03:55:30 PM

Red Scarlet destroyed the first Football Thread community at GAF and we've been vagabonds ever since.

Wasn't that Dragona?

bork · « **Reply #35780 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:03:28 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 17, 2014, 03:48:13 PM

When you think of turn based games you think of Japanese games? For real? And not Might and Magic or Baldurs Gate?

You're seriously telling me that those games come to mind first, over Final Fantasy and all that shit?

benjipwns · « **Reply #35781 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:03:41 PM »

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 17, 2014, 03:50:48 PM

Pokemans

Liked this so I could unlike it.

Momo · « **Reply #35782 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:04:09 PM »

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 17, 2014, 04:00:29 PM

I heard Scar streams a lot but I don't know what the site is, anyone feel like PMing me?

i think it was twitch or ustream, i remember watching her stuff 2/3 years back

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #35783 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:04:43 PM »

Quote from: Esch on June 17, 2014, 03:51:55 PM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 17, 2014, 03:40:08 PM

You have played 200 hours of Civ V. A turn based strategy game.

X-Com is hugely successful. Turn based.

The recent crpg revival? Turn based first person dungeon crawlers. Turn based infinity engine spiritual successors.

But no. Only weaboos like turn based and turn based is old and crappy.

Strategy=/= RPG

Look Esch, if you want to play board games or D&D, then do so, but don't make video games conform to archaic, unnecessary, and time-wasting constraints.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #35784 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:05:26 PM »

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 17, 2014, 04:00:29 PM

I heard Scar streams a lot but I don't know what the site is, anyone feel like PMing me?

I will later tonight.

Quote from: bork laser on June 17, 2014, 04:03:28 PM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 17, 2014, 03:48:13 PM

When you think of turn based games you think of Japanese games? For real? And not Might and Magic or Baldurs Gate?

You're seriously telling me that those games come to mind first, over Final Fantasy and all that shit?

No. But to act like western RPGs haven't had a history with turn based combat and gameplay is cute revisionist history.

Also, The only turn based Final Fantasy's are 1, 2, 3, and 10.

Squiddy · « **Reply #35785 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:06:24 PM »

Rogue likes are for people with no life.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #35786 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:07:40 PM »

Lotta weird broad statements today.

king of the internet · « **Reply #35787 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:10:51 PM »

Quote from: Squiddy on June 17, 2014, 04:06:24 PM

Rogue likes are for people with no life.

Games that can be played in small bursts are for people with no life? I'm not sure I follow.

Momo · « **Reply #35788 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:11:11 PM »

Quote from: Squiddy on June 17, 2014, 04:06:24 PM

Rogue likes are for people with no life.

Kara · « **Reply #35789 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:11:15 PM »

Quote from: king of the internet on June 17, 2014, 04:03:26 PM

Wasn't that Dragona?

Nope, it was Red Scarlet. We were a real clubhouse / clique back in the day and she didn't like the way we reacted to her bandwagoning about some event so she locked the thread and promised to go through every post in it, banning anyone who posted anything ban worthy.

Of course this was an insurmountable task and she eventually gave up, but the damage was done. I think we suffered at least one perm and a few long-term bans from the ground she was able to cover as well as our reaction as a community to her actions.

It sucked because she'd been diplomatic with us in the past (I once negotiated the undoing of a member's permaban with her) but tempers flared and no one backed down so we were left with a desert called peace. In our current incarnation we're a subforum on a website that's in no way whatsoever affiliated with GAF and the people who post there have no fucking clue who most of us are because we keep to ourselves.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #35790 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:12:53 PM »

Quote from: Esch on June 17, 2014, 04:04:01 PM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 17, 2014, 04:03:02 PM
But they intersect all the time. Valyrie Profile 2, final Fantasy tactics, Warcraft 3, and kings Bounty are good examples.

So? Jazz and death metal intersect all the time too.

Huh? These games are STRATEGY rpgs. The merging of these two genres is very common, and they are also the most common type of turn based game. Liking turn based strategy but not turn based RPGs makes no sense , breh. Thanks for Eschsplaining.

hampster · « **Reply #35791 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:14:29 PM »

Can't we all just get along and embrace real time with pause like civilized human beings

Steve Contra · « **Reply #35792 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:15:41 PM »

Oh man I'm anticipating some epic Himu paragraphs arguing about rpgs that I won't read

Momo · « **Reply #35793 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:15:56 PM »

eh, I have an account on one of the football (and F1) offshoot forums. Used to love those communities. I abandoned both forums pretty fast though

king of the internet · « **Reply #35794 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:16:49 PM »

Quote from: Karakand on June 17, 2014, 04:11:15 PM

Quote from: king of the internet on June 17, 2014, 04:03:26 PM
Wasn't that Dragona?

Nope, it was Red Scarlet. We were a real clubhouse / clique back in the day and she didn't like the way we reacted to her bandwagoning about some event so she locked the thread and promised to go through every post in it, banning anyone who posted anything ban worthy.
...

Oh, I see. I remember the incident but I thought it was Dragona since she somehow got that reputation for being overzealous or whatever. Surely it wasn't just for handing out short bans for shitty female driver jokes and stuff.

Kara · « **Reply #35795 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:19:16 PM »

Quote from: king of the internet on June 17, 2014, 04:16:49 PM

Oh, I see. I remember the incident but I thought it was Dragona since she somehow got that reputation for being overzealous or whatever. Surely it wasn't just for handing out short bans for shitty female driver jokes and stuff.

I can see what you're saying, tbh (and given our past dealings with her) her reaction seemed very unusual at the time, especially the stakes to which it went.

We were very unruly back then doe (no one ever moderated the thread regularly), so I can see why a mod would be sick of our shit and blow up eventually.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #35796 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:20:28 PM »

Esch let's hug it out

benjipwns · « **Reply #35797 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:21:41 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 17, 2014, 04:20:28 PM

Esch let's hug it out

You should take turns.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #35798 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:23:26 PM »

Quote from: Esch on June 17, 2014, 03:51:55 PM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 17, 2014, 03:40:08 PM

You have played 200 hours of Civ V. A turn based strategy game.

X-Com is hugely successful. Turn based.

The recent crpg revival? Turn based first person dungeon crawlers. Turn based infinity engine spiritual successors.

But no. Only weaboos like turn based and turn based is old and crappy.

Strategy=/= RPG

take that L and sit down breh. Himu served it up hot with a side of curry for your ass.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #35799 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:24:28 PM »

No 'cism.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #35800 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:26:50 PM »

Yeah he's used to that belt. Brown, long, rough, and hard.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #35801 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:32:18 PM »

brehs it's rare for the god Esch to expose an opening, but when he does I go hard

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #35802 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:43:55 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2014, 04:32:18 PM

brehs it's rare for the god Esch to expose an opening, but when he does I go hard

Tasty · « **Reply #35803 on:** June 17, 2014, 05:08:24 PM »

Quote from: Momo on June 17, 2014, 04:04:09 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 17, 2014, 04:00:29 PM
I heard Scar streams a lot but I don't know what the site is, anyone feel like PMing me?
i think it was twitch or ustream, i remember watching her stuff 2/3 years back

Unfortunately, searching for Scar's name isn't fruitful since the RED camera of the same name.

Edit- Thanks Himu

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #35804 on:** June 17, 2014, 05:58:54 PM »

Perfect for Gaffers looking to start thier own website.

http://get.moe/#

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #35805 on:** June 17, 2014, 06:01:49 PM »

Turn-based gaming is godly, but I'm not surprised that today's youth can't appreciate the deep strategy of planning out each move carefully and executing it to perfection the way us older folks used to do way back in the 90's. It's like a fine wine, brehs, but if you ain't go the taste then you'll never know.

Your Stalker · « **Reply #35806 on:** June 17, 2014, 06:04:35 PM »

Quote from: king of the internet on June 17, 2014, 03:47:09 PM

I mean I get why you'd dislike turn based of you want to just mindlessly hack away at shit, but some of us like kicking back and enjoying the satisfaction of formulating a winning strategy. It's basically using your brain vs. your thumbs.

Who says you can't formulate strategies in real time or is your mind that

?

TVC15 · « **Reply #35807 on:** June 17, 2014, 06:06:59 PM »

Real time rpgs suck ass because you have to rely on shitty AI partners. If turns suck because they're based around an old limitation of the genre, real time sucks because technology isn't good enough to make the AI palpable.

StealthFan · « **Reply #35808 on:** June 17, 2014, 06:10:45 PM »

Quote from: Your Stalker on June 17, 2014, 06:04:35 PM

Quote from: king of the internet on June 17, 2014, 03:47:09 PM
I mean I get why you'd dislike turn based of you want to just mindlessly hack away at shit, but some of us like kicking back and enjoying the satisfaction of formulating a winning strategy. It's basically using your brain vs. your thumbs.
Who says you can't formulate strategies in real time or is your mind that ? (Image removed from quote.)

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #35809 on:** June 17, 2014, 06:36:19 PM »

Quote from: Your Stalker on June 17, 2014, 06:04:35 PM

Quote from: king of the internet on June 17, 2014, 03:47:09 PM
I mean I get why you'd dislike turn based of you want to just mindlessly hack away at shit, but some of us like kicking back and enjoying the satisfaction of formulating a winning strategy. It's basically using your brain vs. your thumbs.
Who says you can't formulate strategies in real time or is your mind that ? (Image removed from quote.)

RTS's are stressful as fuck, especially when you have a ton of moving parts. The argument is that it's easier to unwind with a turn-based because everything's segmented.

But to answer your question, yes.

And 4X's like Civ and Age of Wonders contain rpg elements, what with perk systems, a bevy of playable civ's/classes with a myriad of victory possibilities, so imo it's not disingenuous to include those in an rpg discussion.

zepblackstar · « **Reply #35810 on:** June 17, 2014, 06:45:58 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on June 17, 2014, 06:34:31 PM

Quote from: king of the internet on June 17, 2014, 04:16:49 PM
Quote from: Karakand on June 17, 2014, 04:11:15 PM
Quote from: king of the internet on June 17, 2014, 04:03:26 PM
Wasn't that Dragona?

Nope, it was Red Scarlet. We were a real clubhouse / clique back in the day and she didn't like the way we reacted to her bandwagoning about some event so she locked the thread and promised to go through every post in it, banning anyone who posted anything ban worthy.
...

Oh, I see. I remember the incident but I thought it was Dragona since she somehow got that reputation for being overzealous or whatever. Surely it wasn't just for handing out short bans for shitty female driver jokes and stuff.

There is a general attribution issue when it comes to Dragona. She certainly did run through threads with a lawn mower sometimes, but more than half of the shit she gets blamed for wasn't her at all. When people don't know who banned them, they're forced to guess, and she was many people's favorite guess.

If it was something that related to women, it was generally her and before I knew why she left, I assumed it was because Evilore didn't want a mod running roughshod over the userbase to the point people would stop posting.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #35811 on:** June 17, 2014, 06:53:29 PM »

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=116995793&postcount=1

Oh god, I'm old.

I thought Coolio was like... 26 or so, but if he can't remember 1999 then he's like... 18-20?

StealthFan · « **Reply #35812 on:** June 17, 2014, 07:18:42 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 17, 2014, 04:43:55 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2014, 04:32:18 PM
brehs it's rare for the god Esch to expose an opening, but when he does I go hard

(Image removed from quote.)

Take My Breh Away · « **Reply #35813 on:** June 17, 2014, 07:22:59 PM »

Adam "Deal With It" Orth makes a new game (That looks kinda good). Some of GAF freaks out and wants him out of the industry

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=117038486&postcount=5

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=117045158&postcount=47

Fail at getting over things that happened over 12 months ago and demand someone stay out of a job forever, brehs

First post tho'

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=117038228&postcount=2

Broseidon · « **Reply #35814 on:** June 17, 2014, 07:34:46 PM »

who's adam orth?

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #35815 on:** June 17, 2014, 07:36:48 PM »

Adam Orth is the former Microsoft guy who made fun of people for not liking the XBone's DRM scheme.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #35816 on:** June 17, 2014, 07:56:12 PM »

New Years 1999 was the best New Years ever and I couldn't even drink. All this hysteria for months - over a year - about Y2k.Talking about, we're going to lose EVERYTHING and modern civilization will crumble as we know it! Tick tock, clock strikes 12 and we still have electricity, we still have internet, we still have tv, we still have teenagers cyber sexing in aim chat rooms, shit is fine. I drank my sparkling wine, went home, and played some Final Fantasy VIII till 2 in the morn.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #35817 on:** June 17, 2014, 08:00:43 PM »

We were in the basement of our house (to avoid random gunshots according to my mom, despite the fact that we were in the suburbs then), watching the countdown on TV. Nothing happened, and then my dad waxed poetic on the fact that only god knew the future, and this proved man/science weren't as smart as they thought they were.

then I played StarCraft

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #35818 on:** June 17, 2014, 08:03:10 PM »

What I'm wondering is what Y2K hysteria was like OUTSIDE of the USA. Did they fall for it too?! I'm still amazed at how a whole country legit thought we were all going to die because of them DARN scientists not inputting the date into KOMPYUTA.

Shit is fucking hilarious in hindsight.

TVC15 · « **Reply #35819 on:** June 17, 2014, 08:03:28 PM »

The first time I did acid I ended up playing Warcraft 2 in the same room as my parents while coming down. I was 14 or 15.

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Author Topic: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed) (Read 2696480 times)