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Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
« Reply #4020 on: May 08, 2018, 08:50:41 PM »
One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter.  :esports

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4021 on: May 09, 2018, 08:24:32 AM »
https://www.acast.com/warcollege/northkorea-slonggame

A good podcast with an academic based in Busan who helps understand some of the South Korean politics who most of us do not fathom and operate under very different assumptions (the academic thinks the main gradient from "left" to "right" may be the support to the USA more than European conceptions of progressives and conservatives)... It's a follow up to an episode they did one year ago and generally their NK episodes have been very good. President Moon is presented as a suave, cunning, smart politician who may be paving the road for US troops to ultimately leave.

Not all roses and pleasantries, obviously.

French commenters were similarly struck by how the recent summit was heavily leaning in symbols (more than practical, tangible measures) and that South Koreans do NOT want a Germany style reunification (they studied it closely and they know they would pay and suffer through the nose for it even in a best case scenario).
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« Reply #4022 on: May 09, 2018, 09:34:30 AM »
All of the Russia podcasts with academic Galeotti are excellent too.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4023 on: May 11, 2018, 02:23:23 AM »
https://www.acast.com/warcollege/northkorea-slonggame

A good podcast with an academic based in Busan who helps understand some of the South Korean politics who most of us do not fathom and operate under very different assumptions (the academic thinks the main gradient from "left" to "right" may be the support to the USA more than European conceptions of progressives and conservatives)... It's a follow up to an episode they did one year ago and generally their NK episodes have been very good. President Moon is presented as a suave, cunning, smart politician who may be paving the road for US troops to ultimately leave.

Not all roses and pleasantries, obviously.

French commenters were similarly struck by how the recent summit was heavily leaning in symbols (more than practical, tangible measures) and that South Koreans do NOT want a Germany style reunification (they studied it closely and they know they would pay and suffer through the nose for it even in a best case scenario).



I'd add this Lawfare podcast as a really solid compliment to the War College one:
https://lawfareblog.com/lawfare-podcast-mira-rapp-hooper-and-steph-haggard-preview-north-korea-summit

All three guests end up coming to fairly similar conclusions about the prospects of the summit and where they have some major concerns. Mira Rapp-Hooper and Steph Haggard both have some really interesting perspectives looking at this primarily from a US diplomatic perspective, though also showing a solid foundation of understanding about the region and US geopolitics within it. I think hearing all of them definitely gave me a number of really well-rounded set of insights into this that I didn't have coming into this.


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« Reply #4025 on: May 13, 2018, 06:06:17 PM »
https://twitter.com/AP/status/995783323770376193

So uh, are the polls a little off again?

This is the guy who was leading the insurgency against US troops during the Iraqi occupation. I believe it was Mattis who had to invade half a city to defeat most of his 'Sadr army'.
He's no longer aligned with Iran but in bed with the Iraqi commies.

This is very bad.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4026 on: May 13, 2018, 06:33:17 PM »
This is the guy who was leading the insurgency against US troops during the Iraqi occupation. I believe it was Mattis who had to invade half a city to defeat most of his 'Sadr army'.
He's no longer aligned with Iran but in bed with the Iraqi commies.

You getting your info from Bush-era DoD press releases?

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4027 on: May 14, 2018, 02:31:14 AM »
Wait, the Mahdi army guy is the front-runner? Lol, God bless Iraq.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4028 on: May 14, 2018, 02:46:57 AM »
Just a reminder that when the US invaded the people in charge thought they could install Ahmed Chalabi and that the new regime would be a staunch US ally and recognize Israel.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4029 on: May 14, 2018, 08:43:00 AM »
We would be greeted as liberators and be in and out in 2 weeks.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4030 on: May 14, 2018, 09:10:38 AM »
The continuing protests and violent oppression in the Gaza Strip are really, really heartbreaking. Things must be desperate for them to still be trying.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4031 on: May 14, 2018, 05:29:25 PM »
the guy who threw his shoes at Bush got elected to the Iraqi parliament as part of Muqtada al-Sadr's coalition

If he actually hit W he would probably be prime minister now

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« Reply #4032 on: May 14, 2018, 05:33:07 PM »
The best part of it was American media explaining how it was an insulting gesture because the feet are considered a dirty body part by Arab Muslims.

Sure, there could've been a bit of extra cultural weight there. But I think we all got the gist of what that dude was trying to express.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4033 on: May 14, 2018, 07:05:03 PM »
Bush dodged that shoe like a pro

That was some Neo Matrix shit  :neo
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4034 on: May 15, 2018, 02:47:15 AM »
http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/05/11/trump-is-leading-from-behind-if-hes-leading-at-all/

Piece about how Trump admin is letting taking a back seat to other regional leaders in foreign affairs that involve us.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4035 on: May 15, 2018, 04:26:13 AM »
Bush dodged that shoe like a pro

That was some Neo Matrix shit  :neo



What a legend.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4036 on: May 15, 2018, 04:41:20 PM »
How long before Frau Merkel sends in the troops lol  :doge
https://twitter.com/fborello1/status/996465386362163201
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4037 on: May 16, 2018, 10:37:56 AM »
International Relations in 2018:


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Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
« Reply #4038 on: May 16, 2018, 10:56:52 AM »
Clearly you don't know about the Tory Power Stance
for anyone who hasn't, listen to our Bro and totally look this up, it's apparently an actual deliberate thing, they got it from some body language seminar bullshit snake oil salesman, even though every other expert quoted in the media about it says it's horseshit and makes you look stupid rather than "dominant"

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That consultant watched a shit ton of He-Man as a kid and then basically just told the Torres to adopt the “I have the power!!! “ stance.

They forgot the swords though.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4039 on: May 16, 2018, 01:50:30 PM »
International Relations in 2018:

(Image removed from quote.)

You could say international relations got
:trumps T R U M P E D  :trumps
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4040 on: May 17, 2018, 03:27:27 AM »
HEY I THINK MARX'S COMMUNIST MANIFESTO AND ITS IDEAS THAT FUCKED OVER FARMERS AND THE UKRAIN AND ANY POLITICAL DISSENDENTS MAY HAVE LEAD TO THE DEATH OF MILLIONS

curly and Mandark: NO WAY! EVERYONE HATES YOU! YOU DUMMY!

BUT HE SAID NATIONAL IDENTITY AND PROPERTY WERE THE BAD STUFF!

curly and Mandark: That's not really what he meant! He did propose national healthcare too!

GOLLY GEE, SO THERE IS NOTHING THE COMMUNSIT MANIFEST THAT RELATES TO ITS SUGGESTIONS ON POLICY THAT MURDERED PEOPLE?

curly ad Mandark: No! You silly EVIL PERSON! Just because one person said that Nationality and property are evil, doesn't mean Ukranians eating their own harvest shouldn't be starved and killed!
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4041 on: May 18, 2018, 12:10:41 PM »
yup, that's exactly what happened  :doge

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4042 on: May 18, 2018, 12:38:38 PM »
Look, you just don't understand the conversation.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4044 on: May 21, 2018, 12:33:10 AM »
good to see roberto baggio landed on his feet

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4045 on: May 21, 2018, 03:33:06 AM »
Nicolas Maduro won a resounding mandate from the Venezuelan people though neoliberal imperialist groups that likely have ties to the American Military Corporate Empire are claiming that turnout was only 17%. True free social democratic nations like Bolivia, Cuba, Nicaragua and Russia have endorsed the election as completely fair and free despite massive US, UN and EU pressure to spread lies and likely secret movements to declare war and invade.

Unbiased analysis that pro-war CNN don't want you to see:
Quote from: Evo Morales
We salute brother president Maduro on his candidacy for a democratic and constitutional reelection in Venezuela. We are certain that with truth and the support of the Venezuelan people, brother Maduro has a certain victory over Trump’s interventionism and his agents Almagro and Tuto Quiroga.

I bet Nola, stalker beaks and the other soft liberal pansies are crying and can't believe that people would actually want to run their own government instead of be blindly led by corporate media propaganda. :lol

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« Reply #4046 on: May 21, 2018, 03:48:52 AM »
stalker beaks :lol
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4048 on: May 21, 2018, 05:09:33 AM »
I know you're a communist now benji but calling Cuba social democratic wouldn't even fly in Hoxhaist circles.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4049 on: May 21, 2018, 05:33:58 AM »
Nicolas Maduro won a resounding mandate from the Venezuelan people though neoliberal imperialist groups that likely have ties to the American Military Corporate Empire are claiming that turnout was only 17%. True free social democratic nations like Bolivia, Cuba, Nicaragua and Russia have endorsed the election as completely fair and free despite massive US, UN and EU pressure to spread lies and likely secret movements to declare war and invade.

Unbiased analysis that pro-war CNN don't want you to see:
Quote from: Evo Morales
We salute brother president Maduro on his candidacy for a democratic and constitutional reelection in Venezuela. We are certain that with truth and the support of the Venezuelan people, brother Maduro has a certain victory over Trump’s interventionism and his agents Almagro and Tuto Quiroga.

I bet Nola, stalker beaks and the other soft liberal pansies are crying and can't believe that people would actually want to run their own government instead of be blindly led by corporate media propaganda. :lol
Wow the god emperor already has agents everywhere.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4050 on: May 22, 2018, 03:41:01 AM »
I know you're a communist now benji but calling Cuba social democratic wouldn't even fly in Hoxhaist circles.
So you trust Miguel not to roll back the victorious revolution as part of a neoliberal entryist scheme?

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« Reply #4051 on: May 22, 2018, 04:05:41 AM »
Hezbollah cleaned up in the Lebanese elections. Saudi Arabia really fucked up by pulling that stunt with Hariri.
Wait those fuckers actually vote literal terrorists into power.  :neogaf

Move over Trump and Brexit  :doge
https://twitter.com/AP/status/995783323770376193

So uh, are the polls a little off again?

This is the guy who was leading the insurgency against US troops during the Iraqi occupation. I believe it was Mattis who had to invade half a city to defeat most of his 'Sadr army'.
He's no longer aligned with Iran but in bed with the Iraqi commies.

This is very bad.
For the record, with the counting finished, Hezbollah themselves wound up with about 10% of the parliamentary seats in Lebanon. They won the popular vote, but that 16% only led to 13 seats, one more than they already had. The total alliance bloc got 40 seats. The Christian-associated alliances got 44 between the two of them.

In Iraq, al-Sadr's group got 54 which is ten more than the main Kurdish parties in the 329 seat legislature. The Pro-Iran but Anti-Sadr party got 47 seats. The "moderate" parties still dominate the parliament especially as we can assume that any two of the Shias, Kurds and Sunnis will all back the "moderates" versus the other two. al-Sadr already had come in second in 2014 but al-Maliki's coalition breaking up into new parties, along with his broadening the tent (I mean, they elected an atheist Communist woman as part of the coalition) helped him slide up to first place.

The most important thing from these two elections is that in Lebanon someone registered and ran the party "You Stink" but it only got 328 votes. r.i.p. Lebanese democracy :'(

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4052 on: May 22, 2018, 04:07:12 AM »
In an upcoming election recap, we have Ireland voting to repeal the "right to life" on Friday, Columbia's first round for President on Sunday, and June 3rd will be a Slovenian parliamentary election. And I'm mentioning the last one for one reason, they held a debate with representatives from twenty parties and it looked like this:



They needed so many podiums that the Ontario election debate apparently had to do without:


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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4053 on: May 22, 2018, 04:10:07 AM »
are the torries still standing weird?
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4054 on: May 22, 2018, 12:58:50 PM »
I know you're a communist now benji but calling Cuba social democratic wouldn't even fly in Hoxhaist circles.
So you trust Miguel not to roll back the victorious revolution as part of a neoliberal entryist scheme?


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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4055 on: May 22, 2018, 09:35:21 PM »
So, did anyone watch the farce where a lizardman wearing a Zuckerberg shaped synthskin vomited useless words at politicians in the EU, a few hours ago? Best part was where he was all like "Okay kiddos time's up, I'm running low on batteries" and most of the MEPs thought he was joking.... except for Farage, who knew what was going to happen and promptly got up and left.

You didn't? Well, in that case: Good on you. was a waste of time, as expected. There were a bunch of interesting questions, but apparently the MEPs bent over backwards to get Zuckerberg on that livestream, leading to a humiliating non-event that had them talk for 2/3rds of the time and Zuckerberg slither away in his distinct Zuckerbergian way.



...He should seriously apply for the role of Data in the next Star Trek movie/series. He's got the look down. Probably won't even need to use weird contact lenses.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4056 on: May 23, 2018, 08:54:36 AM »
he stuck around for selfies with the meps tho

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4057 on: May 23, 2018, 08:56:59 AM »
Lmao I saw a video of him posing and cheesing so big while the guy he was with had the such a bitter look of disdain for him.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4058 on: May 24, 2018, 05:55:55 AM »
There are only two things I can't stand in this world: Centrists, and the Dutch.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/23/opinion/international-world/centrists-democracy.html

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4060 on: May 24, 2018, 06:48:17 PM »
Didn't curly post one like that too, where the centrist one was "Everything is rent-seeking, except rent-seeking, which is fine"? That was a good one as well
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4061 on: May 25, 2018, 10:06:13 PM »
Abortion ban repeal is going to pass by a lot in Ireland. :aah

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4062 on: May 26, 2018, 08:21:22 AM »
Italy just formed a new government, composed of two populist parties: the right-wing Northern League and the more-difficult-to-categorize Five Star Movement. They have quite different platforms and bases of support, but both are critics of the EU. The new finance minister has called the Euro "a straightjacket produced in Germany" and said the Germans still hold onto the desire for European supremacy from the days of the Nazis. This rhetoric alongside plans to cut taxes and boost social spending has Eurozone officials rattled.

Didn't curly post one like that too, where the centrist one was "Everything is rent-seeking, except rent-seeking, which is fine"? That was a good one as well

I've seen three or four variations on that meme

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4063 on: May 26, 2018, 12:21:37 PM »
Man, Italy once again betraying Germany and fucking everything up.  ::)
No but seriously, this is major trouble in the making. Even if it accounts to nothing in the long term, markets are already plenty spooked, so the damage has been done.  >:(

Here in good old Germoney, we have further issues with our army. The numbers are already hilariously bad (only 4 Eurofighters are actually ready to sortie, etc), but now some sleuthing by the gubbermint has unveiled that the military has a very broad definition of what constitutes a "usable" machine. For example, missile ships that have no ammo, tanks stripped down to training loadout, 8 minesweeper ships but only 6 available crews - yet all those cases show up as "ready for deployment" in the statistics. Good grief.  ::)

Also, what's up with Brazil. Telling the military to do away with protesters and their trucks, if necessary by violent means... cripes. While the protesters themselves seem hellbent on deadlocking the country. Sounds like a hop and skip away from civil war. I mean, yes, it's South America, so it's probably just another Saturday for them, but still.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4064 on: May 26, 2018, 01:46:02 PM »
Also, what's up with Brazil. Telling the military to do away with protesters and their trucks, if necessary by violent means... cripes.
Prices have skyrocketed across the country because of the strike. It's a national crisis. That's kind of the point of the strike (that they significant leverage), but yeah.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4065 on: May 27, 2018, 12:37:09 AM »
Meanwhile Turkey continues to crash and burn. There's a sizable Turkish population in Germany, so seeing the state the country is in (and the trajectory, the worst is yet to come)... 

I mean, Erdogan is now groveling in front of his subjects and begging them to buy Lira while spouting conspiracy theories. How long until he swears brotherhood with Venezuela and introduces branded bitcoins or starts a war against the Kurds or whatever. So depressing.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4066 on: May 27, 2018, 02:31:15 PM »
Italy just formed a new government, composed of two populist parties: the right-wing Northern League and the more-difficult-to-categorize Five Star Movement. They have quite different platforms and bases of support, but both are critics of the EU. The new finance minister has called the Euro "a straightjacket produced in Germany" and said the Germans still hold onto the desire for European supremacy from the days of the Nazis. This rhetoric alongside plans to cut taxes and boost social spending has Eurozone officials rattled.

Well that didn't last long :neogaf

The compromise prime minister the League and Five Star Movement agreed on has given up on forming a government. I guess that means they try to find somebody else or new elections? Italy :lol

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« Reply #4067 on: May 27, 2018, 03:03:38 PM »
Italy just formed a new government, composed of two populist parties: the right-wing Northern League and the more-difficult-to-categorize Five Star Movement. They have quite different platforms and bases of support, but both are critics of the EU. The new finance minister has called the Euro "a straightjacket produced in Germany" and said the Germans still hold onto the desire for European supremacy from the days of the Nazis. This rhetoric alongside plans to cut taxes and boost social spending has Eurozone officials rattled.

Well that didn't last long :neogaf

The compromise prime minister the League and Five Star Movement agreed on has given up on forming a government. I guess that means they try to find somebody else or new elections? Italy :lol
I wonder who they can find that has the experience of being prime minister and that made this seemingly impossible deal between the two parties happen.

Oh wait. We know who.  :neogaf
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4068 on: May 27, 2018, 03:05:43 PM »
No, Berlusconi is barred from public office.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4069 on: May 27, 2018, 03:09:06 PM »
No, Berlusconi is barred from public office.
The ban was scrapped in May
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44092700

5 stars probably won't go with it but if they just want to fuck with Europe for a few months well...
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« Reply #4070 on: May 27, 2018, 03:09:33 PM »
oh my god
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4071 on: May 27, 2018, 03:14:31 PM »
Putin, Trump, Berlusconi, Johnson

Please make it happen just to see Merkel's face when they meet for talks  :rejoice
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« Reply #4072 on: May 27, 2018, 03:19:14 PM »
Berlusconi's party isn't in the proposed coalition. Now if they hold new elections, I guess there's a chance...

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« Reply #4073 on: May 27, 2018, 04:35:27 PM »
This thread is quite something.
https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1000834362248695808

Calls for the President to be impeached
https://twitter.com/SMerler/status/1000823861745737728

Gray Connolly with the best hot take of the day
https://twitter.com/GrayConnolly/status/1000858200273440769

The president seemingly wants to put an IMF guy in charge. Much like the Mario Monti situation before.
https://twitter.com/BRyvkin/status/1000818007793422339
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« Reply #4074 on: May 28, 2018, 03:52:30 PM »
The EU has once again made an astonishing self-goal.

The Italian President wants an IMF guy as president. But MS5 and Lega are against it. MS5 is the most 'vocal' but was also the winner of the last election so some consider their efforts so far a 'failure'.
A new poll shows that Lega has gained support, pro-EU parties have dropped further and Forza Italia voters have moved to a united front in Lega (especially after Berlusconi endorsed the formation of the MS5/Lega government).

So now we're looking at the following scenario:
- Italian President appoints former IMF exec as PM considered 'ok' by Brussels, Merkel and financial markets
- New government has no majority in parliament and has basically no power to do anything but keep the books in order until a new election can take place
- New elections are organized to break the 'stalemate' so a government can be formed

And these new elections will likely see a massive victory for Lega.
Combined they are polling at 60% of the vote right now. If Forza Italia joins they'd be at 68%(!) vs. the small majority of 51% they have now.

Election results:
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Five Star Movement - 32.18 percent
Democratic Party - 19.13 percent
Lega - 17.64 percent
Forza Italia - 14.44 percent

New poll after IMF/EU coup: 
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Five Star Movement - 29,5%
Lega - 27.5(!) percent
Democratic Party - 19,4%
Forza Italia - 8 percent

 :doge
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« Reply #4075 on: May 29, 2018, 05:47:50 AM »
From what I understand, which is admittingly quite tiny...
So now we're looking at the following scenario:
- Italian President appoints former IMF exec as PM considered 'ok' by Brussels, Merkel and financial markets
- New government has no majority in parliament and has basically no power to do anything but keep the books in order until a new election can take place
- New elections are organized to break the 'stalemate' so a government can be formed
There's two "stalemates" neither one of which an election is needed to allow a government to form. (Assuming they don't give up and accept Cottarelli.)

The simple one being discussed above which merely needs a new anti-EU President in office so as to not block anti-EU ministers. Easily solved as doing a joint sitting and kicking him out for "high treason" and/or "attacking the Constitution", you only need a majority vote, which they already have. (Sure, that's not how the old establishment parties would do things, but they're bad and why we elected Lega and M5S in the first place.)

And the larger one in which the "populist" anti-establishment parties that are running against everything bad are being forced by the inherent nature of things to start picking things they're actually for and forming ministries and so on. That's what I take as the primary reason Grillo bailed out on his own movement. It wasn't supposed to get involved too much in that nasty politics stuff, just oppose the bad things until things worked out and were good. But that too was already solved through politics and is actually probably threatened by an election.

Lega increasing their vote share doesn't do anything really, especially if it's taking the anti-EU half of Forza from Forza. If anything it probably threatens the current on-paper agreement by increasing Lega's share of the M5S-Lega coalition with members who probably don't agree with M5S on anything except how much they dislike the EU and foreigners in general.

The Italian system has changed back closer to how it was before 1993, a government can fall without losing confidence and triggering an election as the "first party" no longer is guaranteed a majority of seats. (The entire reason there even is a coalition government discussion this time.)

Just as an example using no support parties or absolutely zero hyperbole. Lega plus M5S is 352 seats, ~55% of the house. Say, M5S is actually a Holodomor movement in disguise except they hate the EU. Once they and Lega withdraw from the EU and build a wall around Italy, M5S can break the coalition, enter into a new one with the "Left coalition" which is 349 seats (assuming they don't get the 14 "Totally Not Communists" to join in), this is also ~55% of the house. (~58% with Free and Equal) They can then go on to nationalize the entire nation's means of production. Lega and the rest of the Right coalition can't do jackshit about this until 2023* as long as the alter-coalition holds confidence.

*Assuming the M5S-Left simply don't repeal elections democratically withdraw non-Marxist parties, of course, before ordering the Ukraine into famine conditions.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4076 on: May 29, 2018, 08:14:20 AM »
Pioneering the Renaissance, realpolitik, fascism, false flag terrorism, incredibly vulgar plutocrats and now the EU corrosion by weird populist bedfellows. Italy is so Avant Garde...
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4077 on: May 29, 2018, 03:49:08 PM »
https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1001545955110522881

Jared has finally brought peace to the Middle East.

Thank you Jared!

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4078 on: May 29, 2018, 04:55:49 PM »
Jared has finally brought peace to the Middle East.

Thank you Jared!

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« Reply #4079 on: May 29, 2018, 05:47:00 PM »
https://twitter.com/jdh42584085/status/1001577403225968640

Israel is on the receiving end of some pretty big missiles. It's usually just some miniature self-made rocket thingies this seems like a serious escalation.
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