Author Topic: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster (Read 699308 times)

nachobro · « **Reply #5820 on:** March 25, 2019, 06:43:56 PM »

the government is May's people, basically the executive branch except they can draft laws. parliament is the oversight of the government and they also approve laws drafted by the government.

Raist · « **Reply #5821 on:** March 25, 2019, 06:44:18 PM »

Government = Executive = PM + Ministers.

Parliament = Legislative = MPs.

Nintex · « **Reply #5822 on:** March 25, 2019, 06:54:41 PM »

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The votes are non-binding.

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Final Numbers include on Conservative MP voting in both lobbies

In other news. It seems like the climate deal will be voted down in Brussels tommorow.
Merkel doesn't want to risk the EU falling apart under her watch and is said to be voting with Poland and other Eastern European countries against the climate accord.
The climate accord basically means that all EU nations need to be Carbon Neutral by 2050.

Raist · « **Reply #5823 on:** March 25, 2019, 07:01:18 PM »

Theresa May rn:

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Nintex · « **Reply #5824 on:** March 25, 2019, 07:14:02 PM »

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1110315218805157888

Bercow should be prime minister

hungrynoob · « **Reply #5825 on:** March 25, 2019, 09:50:19 PM »

Bercow is a DS puppet.

Raist · « **Reply #5826 on:** March 26, 2019, 03:23:34 AM »

Another two of May's ministers have resigned after defying the whip yesterday

agrajag · « **Reply #5827 on:** March 26, 2019, 10:07:26 AM »

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1110436416251678722

huge if true

Kunai With Chain · « **Reply #5828 on:** March 26, 2019, 10:37:11 AM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47708144

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The European Parliament has backed controversial copyright laws critics say could change the nature of the net.

The new rules include holding technology companies responsible for material posted without proper copyright permission.
Many musicians and creators say the new rules will compensate artists fairly - but others say they will destroy user-generated content.

The two clauses causing the most controversy are known as Article 11 and Article 13.

Article 11 states that search engines and news aggregate platforms should pay to use links from news websites.
Article 13 holds larger technology companies responsible for material posted without a copyright licence.

It means they would need to apply filters to content before it is uploaded.

Can't wait until EU is suing the Bore because Nintex posted some copyrighted meme.

Mollys Fruity Loops · « **Reply #5829 on:** March 26, 2019, 11:37:29 AM »

Thank fuck for Brexit

Rufus · « **Reply #5830 on:** March 26, 2019, 01:28:41 PM »

The UK could have thrown a spanner in the works, but no, you had to take your ball and go home.

Nintex · « **Reply #5831 on:** March 26, 2019, 02:52:26 PM »

Quote from: Kunai With Chain on March 26, 2019, 10:37:11 AM

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47708144

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The European Parliament has backed controversial copyright laws critics say could change the nature of the net.

The new rules include holding technology companies responsible for material posted without proper copyright permission.
Many musicians and creators say the new rules will compensate artists fairly - but others say they will destroy user-generated content.

The two clauses causing the most controversy are known as Article 11 and Article 13.

Article 11 states that search engines and news aggregate platforms should pay to use links from news websites.
Article 13 holds larger technology companies responsible for material posted without a copyright licence.

It means they would need to apply filters to content before it is uploaded.

Can't wait until EU is suing the Bore because Nintex posted some copyrighted meme.

This is why the EU is fucking useless.

Enacting laws written by massive lobby firms on subjects they have no clue about.
And always applauding themselves when something as horrible as this is 'passed'.
See also the GDPR.

Guess in 2021 we wil switch to anti EU memes only

Rufus · « **Reply #5832 on:** March 26, 2019, 03:10:01 PM »

Quote from: Nintex on March 26, 2019, 02:52:26 PM

Enacting laws written by massive lobby firms on subjects they have no clue about.

I have bad news for you.

Raist · « **Reply #5833 on:** March 26, 2019, 04:24:06 PM »

The BBC's Brexit chart is getting better by the minute.

Nintex · « **Reply #5834 on:** March 26, 2019, 04:44:34 PM »

Quote from: Raist on March 26, 2019, 04:24:06 PM

The BBC's Brexit chart is getting better by the minute.

(Image removed from quote.)

Next week they will be at a scenario not on this chart.
"1922 committee receives letter of intent to challenge Theresa May for leadership position before a next general election takes place in case of a no-deal Brexit?" Y -> Jacob Rees-Mogg Prime Minister / N -> Theresa May left in charge to plan next meaningful vote
"Jeremy Corbyn replaced by sex dwarf that impersonates John Bercow" FAIL -> ORDER and possible meaningful vote on Theresa May Brexit deal / Success -> NO ORDER, equal rights for sex dwarfs in parliament but any votes may be postponed until apologies are made to John Bercow"
"Chief mouser Whiskers send to Brussels" Y -> Brexit postponed until July 2021 / N -> no-deal Brexit takes place May 1st

Raist · « **Reply #5835 on:** March 26, 2019, 05:05:31 PM »

The Chief Mouser's name is Larry, you muppet.

Nintex · « **Reply #5836 on:** March 26, 2019, 06:17:18 PM »

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1110662716463693824

Only Jeremy Corbyn can manage to be more unpopular than May.

Jesus christ

Nintex · « **Reply #5837 on:** March 26, 2019, 06:44:09 PM »

https://twitter.com/PaddySisyphus/status/1110635861841006594

LMAO

Raist · « **Reply #5838 on:** March 26, 2019, 06:53:35 PM »

KGM is a massive twat tho.

Rufus · « **Reply #5839 on:** March 27, 2019, 12:53:58 AM »

Quote from: Nintex on March 26, 2019, 06:17:18 PM

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1110662716463693824

Only Jeremy Corbyn can manage to be more unpopular than May.

Jesus christ

Tweet deleted.

curly · « **Reply #5840 on:** March 27, 2019, 01:37:24 AM »

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/26/706950699/north-korean-embassy-attack-suspects-fled-to-u-s-spanish-court-says

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In the afternoon of Feb. 22, the statement says, Hong Chang asked to see the business supervisor at the embassy before letting the rest of the group in. Upon entry, the group started to "violently hit staff members until they were able to tie them up and blindfold them," the judge says.

One woman held in the embassy was able to escape out of a first-floor window and asked for help, according to the statement. Neighbors heard her and called the police, who then knocked on the embassy door and attempted to talk to those inside. Hong Chang allegedly opened the door, wearing a North Korean pin, and told police that everything was in order.

weird shit

and from another story:

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As described in a report by judge José de la Mata of Spain’s Audiencia Nacional, the leader of the commando-style group, who is a Mexican citizen living in the US and was identified as Adrián Hong Chang, then flew to Newark, New Jersey.

Several days later he contacted the FBI to offer information about the incident as well as information from the electronics taken.

Mr Hong Chang reportedly also carried an Italian driver’s licence in the name of Matthew Chao — and had an Uber account in the name of Oswaldo Trump.

https://www.ft.com/content/2e402884-4ff5-11e9-9c76-bf4a0ce37d49

benjipwns · « **Reply #5841 on:** March 27, 2019, 01:44:14 AM »

"Oswaldo Trump, an illegitimate son Donald Trump fathered after a trip to Costa Rica once"

VomKriege · « **Reply #5842 on:** March 27, 2019, 04:25:13 AM »

The Algerian Army Chief of Staff went on TV for an allocution and said that Bouteflika should be impeached by the Constitutional Council on grounds of him being incapacitated. This could lead to his destitution within two months. Bouteflika's voice hasn't been heard since late 2014.

Algerians want more, however, and will continue to protest if the reporting is accurate.

Raist · « **Reply #5843 on:** March 27, 2019, 01:48:50 PM »

Here we gooooooooo.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47725529

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Theresa May has promised Tory MPs she will stand down if they back her EU withdrawal deal.

The PM said she would not stay in power for the next phase of Brexit talks on the future trading relationship, at a meeting of the 1922 committee.

But she did not set a firm departure date, according to Tory MPs who were at the meeting.

It comes as MPs seize control of the Commons agenda to hold votes on alternatives to the deal.

VomKriege · « **Reply #5844 on:** March 27, 2019, 01:58:18 PM »

So now we have to manage a Mayxit into the Brexit.

Mandark · « **Reply #5845 on:** March 27, 2019, 02:18:42 PM »

Might just be my American frame of reference, but May seems to be in a similar spot to where John Boehner was. She's in charge of a nominal majority but there's a hardline faction that won't back any deal that's acceptable to her negotiating partner (Obama's the EU in this). The obvious solution would be to make up for those votes by compromising with the opposition party, but she's refused to do that.

If she steps down and that's still the dynamic as they move on to the next set of talks, doesn't that just lead to the same type of dysfunction with someone else at the head?

Raist · « **Reply #5846 on:** March 27, 2019, 02:21:59 PM »

https://twitter.com/Independent/status/990163298355236869

Kunai With Chain · « **Reply #5847 on:** March 27, 2019, 02:24:55 PM »

How is it acceptable to vote in favour of the exact same deal you've rejected twice before just because this time it'll result in a change of leadership? Parliamentary systems can seem like such a fuck up.

Raist · « **Reply #5848 on:** March 27, 2019, 02:41:20 PM »

I am shocked.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1110973070657896449

shosta · « **Reply #5849 on:** March 27, 2019, 03:35:32 PM »

Didn't he exclude himself once push came to shove last time? Or did Michael Give betray him? I don't remember the plot

Btw Vom, I'm predicting military rule in Algeria.

VomKriege · « **Reply #5850 on:** March 27, 2019, 04:04:19 PM »

Quote from: shosta on March 27, 2019, 03:35:32 PM

Didn't he exclude himself once push came to shove last time? Or did Michael Give betray him? I don't remember the plot

Btw Vom, I'm predicting military rule in Algeria.

I'm more optimistic and I don't think the "military" (to use a bit of a shortcut though a number of prime movers are high officers and security services) will rule more than they do now. The people already obtained once a liberalisation of the system thirty years ago, which went off the rails immediately with the civil war that followed obviously, but that's to say that it's a longstanding wish that was only put on a backburner by the population under the duress of horrific atrocities.

The country has a lot of issues (economically, for one, unemployment is a major problem. Renewing the political personnel is another.) but I think it is politically mature enough that it may transition to multipartism peacefully without having to tear down the FLN.

VomKriege · « **Reply #5851 on:** March 27, 2019, 04:14:42 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on March 27, 2019, 02:18:42 PM

Might just be my American frame of reference, but May seems to be in a similar spot to where John Boehner was. She's in charge of a nominal majority but there's a hardline faction that won't back any deal that's acceptable to her negotiating partner (Obama's the EU in this). The obvious solution would be to make up for those votes by compromising with the opposition party, but she's refused to do that.

If she steps down and that's still the dynamic as they move on to the next set of talks, doesn't that just lead to the same type of dysfunction with someone else at the head?

I'll let Brits confirm but I don't think she had anything to reach to as Labour is under the same sort of inner contradictions about Europe and the rest.

Maybe if Parliament had directed negotiations from the start they would have had time to swallow the deal as something more palatable ? But really the UK shot itself in the foot with delusional expectations for a negociation they had barely any leverage in for bargaining.

Raist · « **Reply #5852 on:** March 27, 2019, 05:50:09 PM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47728333

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Brexit deadlock: None of MPs' proposed options secures clear backing in Commons vote

Rufus · « **Reply #5853 on:** March 27, 2019, 05:55:02 PM »

Quote from: Raist on March 27, 2019, 02:21:59 PM

https://twitter.com/Independent/status/990163298355236869

The results of "superior breeding."

Raist · « **Reply #5854 on:** March 27, 2019, 06:29:23 PM »

https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1111030655398436864

Nintex · « **Reply #5855 on:** March 27, 2019, 07:59:02 PM »

Brexit:

Tripon · « **Reply #5856 on:** March 27, 2019, 09:27:18 PM »

https://twitter.com/business/status/1111040215790116864

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #5857 on:** March 28, 2019, 12:42:54 AM »

Clusterfuck lol

I really hope they pass Mayd deal so Britain can be our bitch with no voting rights

Raist · « **Reply #5858 on:** March 28, 2019, 02:56:29 AM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-47705334

When opera singers troll brexiteers

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An opera singer was asked to change her EU flag themed dress for a concert at London's Royal Albert Hall.

British soprano Anna Patalong sang in six performances of the Classical Spectacular concert from 21 to 24 March.

On Saturday, Patalong wore a sash and necklace featuring EU stars.

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The show's finale creates an atmosphere similar to that at Last Night of the Proms, and features patriotic songs like Rule Britannia.

Patalong's dress was not the only way in which she showed her support for the EU during Saturday's concert.

Her husband shared a video of the soprano briefly singing the lyrics of Rule Britannia to the tune of Beethoven's Ode to Joy, which is the basis of the EU's Anthem of Europe.

Potato · « **Reply #5859 on:** March 28, 2019, 03:28:36 AM »

Anyone care about Australian politics?

NSW state election result was interesting.

Although I still think the Libs are fucked at the upcoming federal election, I don't think it will be the massive wipeout that it was looking a few months ago.

Shorten remains an unpopular choice and is the biggest weight dragging Labor down.

Will be the first election for me for a long time where I don't care too much who gets in. Basically, both options are equally shit.

Raist · « **Reply #5860 on:** March 28, 2019, 05:05:31 AM »

Quote from: Potato on March 28, 2019, 03:28:36 AM

Anyone care about Australian politics?

No.

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Brehvolution · « **Reply #5861 on:** March 28, 2019, 08:35:16 AM »

Is it coincidental how the clusterfuck of politics in the UK, USA, and Australia all have one thing in common?

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Large Murdoch media presence

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kingv · « **Reply #5862 on:** March 28, 2019, 12:03:03 PM »

The UK is going to crash out of the EU with no plan... but I look forward to the endless interviews with working class British men where they say shit like “We made it through the 100 years war and it ended up all right. So We just gotta hang tough until the jobs come back and Bobs your uncle!” And then talk about how they don’t regret their Brexit vote even though they’ve been out of work for 2 months.

Nintex · « **Reply #5863 on:** March 28, 2019, 02:46:25 PM »

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1111325424066404352

lmao

Brehvolution · « **Reply #5864 on:** March 28, 2019, 02:47:39 PM »

Not so funny now the link is dead.

Nintex · « **Reply #5865 on:** March 28, 2019, 03:15:45 PM »

Bojo has told MP's that May's deal is dead anyway.

DUP won't vote with the government. So even if ALL the tories vote 'for' (which they won't), it won't be passed.

Raist · « **Reply #5866 on:** March 28, 2019, 04:06:38 PM »

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 28, 2019, 08:35:16 AM

Is it coincidental how the clusterfuck of politics in the UK, USA, and Australia all have one thing in common?

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Large Murdoch media presence
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Or you know, speaking english.

shosta · « **Reply #5867 on:** March 28, 2019, 04:19:03 PM »

I just read up on Common Market 2.0.

- Join EFTA
- Adopt all of the EU's regulations without having any say in them
- Still have to pay around 66% of what they were paying to the EU
- Still require freedom of movement
- POSSIBLY get the freedom of movement clause exempted for the UK which would be justified because...

"I want to sacrifice my right to vote in the EU so that we can gamble on thin odds that we'll be able to shut our borders down to Turks in the future"

Potato · « **Reply #5868 on:** March 28, 2019, 04:29:25 PM »

Quote from: Raist on March 28, 2019, 04:06:38 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 28, 2019, 08:35:16 AM
Is it coincidental how the clusterfuck of politics in the UK, USA, and Australia all have one thing in common?

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Large Murdoch media presence
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Or you know, speaking english.

Or you know, significant adoption of social media.

Rufus · « **Reply #5869 on:** March 28, 2019, 04:51:24 PM »

I blame FPTP for the US' and UK's issues.

Dunno what's going on with you Aussies though.

Raist · « **Reply #5870 on:** March 28, 2019, 05:36:07 PM »

They use instant run-off, AFAIK.

Mandark · « **Reply #5871 on:** March 28, 2019, 05:39:34 PM »

Quote from: Rufus on March 28, 2019, 04:51:24 PM

I blame FPTP for the US' and UK's issues.

Dunno what's going on with you Aussies though.

I think it was dcharlie who said, apropos of one of Mel Gibson's outbursts that got him temporarily cancelled, "What's the fuss about? This makes Gibson the least racist Australian I know."

Raist · « **Reply #5872 on:** March 28, 2019, 05:58:24 PM »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/banksy-art-brexit-devolved-parliament-bristol-chimps-monkeys-a8844556.html

Potato · « **Reply #5873 on:** March 28, 2019, 06:52:28 PM »

Quote from: Rufus on March 28, 2019, 04:51:24 PM

I blame FPTP for the US' and UK's issues.

Dunno what's going on with you Aussies though.

My personal take is that social media has allowed a proliferation of fringe parties to gain traction.

Our two traditional parties have always been quite close to the centre, but these minor parties have forced them to move further left and right to stop votes leaking off to the crazies.

Leaves the sane and silent majority with difficult choices to make and means that both major parties are left trying to appease the vocal minority and the silent majority gets shafted.

A common thing recently had been a number of hung parliaments, both state and federal, with minor parties holding the balance of power.

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #5874 on:** March 28, 2019, 08:38:20 PM »

Quote from: Potato on March 28, 2019, 06:52:28 PM

Quote from: Rufus on March 28, 2019, 04:51:24 PM
I blame FPTP for the US' and UK's issues.

Dunno what's going on with you Aussies though.
My personal take is that social media has allowed a proliferation of fringe parties to gain traction.

Our two traditional parties have always been quite close to the centre, but these minor parties have forced them to move further left and right to stop votes leaking off to the crazies.

Leaves the sane and silent majority with difficult choices to make and means that both major parties are left trying to appease the vocal minority and the silent majority gets shafted.

A common thing recently had been a number of hung parliaments, both state and federal, with minor parties holding the balance of power.

The crazies have been running the GOP since before "weblogs"were even a thing, let alone social media.

curly · « **Reply #5875 on:** March 28, 2019, 09:00:16 PM »

US and Australia it's settler colonialist societies being settler colonialist societies

UK...hangover from the imperial glory days? The English sucking ass like usual?

shosta · « **Reply #5876 on:** March 28, 2019, 09:16:21 PM »

they haven't realized they're a rump state yet

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #5877 on:** March 28, 2019, 09:36:53 PM »

Quote from: curly on March 28, 2019, 09:00:16 PM

US and Australia it's settler colonialist societies being settler colonialist societies

UK...hangover from the imperial glory days? The English sucking ass like usual?

Canada tho - one big diff is that there is no Murdoch media presence there

Can't say much about the dynamics of NZ or say Ireland

curly · « **Reply #5878 on:** March 28, 2019, 11:15:49 PM »

Things are looking grim in Australia:

https://twitter.com/9NewsGoldCoast/status/1110444869544116224

Occam · « **Reply #5879 on:** March 29, 2019, 03:50:48 AM »

Brunei (Islamic autocracy) makes gay sex and adultery punishable by death by stoning, starting next week.
What a modern and open minded country.

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