Author Topic: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster (Read 699308 times)

VomKriege · « **Reply #5880 on:** March 29, 2019, 08:46:58 AM »

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/03/kamel-daoud-algerias-post-colonial-era-is-over/585958/

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #5881 on:** March 29, 2019, 11:41:13 AM »

Quelle surprise 3rd vote fail

Kunai With Chain · « **Reply #5882 on:** March 29, 2019, 12:27:16 PM »

The gap is narrowing, give it another try Theresa!

Kunai With Chain · « **Reply #5883 on:** March 29, 2019, 12:35:36 PM »

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1111657158519730178

Oh wait, she is actually doing it. It's like a turd that just won't flush.

kingv · « **Reply #5884 on:** March 29, 2019, 01:40:00 PM »

Did the EU actually agree to the customs union?

Mandark · « **Reply #5885 on:** March 29, 2019, 01:58:51 PM »

I don't think that would be a snag.

IIRC Corbyn's alternate plan included a customs union, and Tusk nice things about it.

Nintex · « **Reply #5886 on:** March 29, 2019, 02:34:31 PM »

Another vote ends in defeat for May.
Now the BBC has to update their Brexit outcome chart again.

https://twitter.com/rhodri/status/1111346365274177537

https://twitter.com/rhodri/status/1111254719777914881

Raist · « **Reply #5887 on:** March 29, 2019, 02:43:58 PM »

Quote from: kingv on March 29, 2019, 01:40:00 PM

Did the EU actually agree to the customs union?

Irrelevant for now - there can't be any discussions on what the future UK-EU relationship will look like until the details of how they'll exit in the first place are settled.

In other words, the whole "indicative vote" business from this week and next is a waste of time currently.

Raist · « **Reply #5888 on:** March 29, 2019, 03:00:51 PM »

I guess Rees-Mogg and BoJo are starting to pee their pants a little, cause they voted for the WA this time around

Nintex · « **Reply #5889 on:** March 29, 2019, 03:01:53 PM »

My prediction

- House wants to delay Brexit further
- EU won't budge
- Theresa May resigns to force EU to delay
- Boris takes over as Tory Leader and PM
- Macron / Merkel meet with Boris, agree to delay until after an election is held
- General Election
- Boris beats Corbyn
- House votes "NO" on Brexit withdrawal agreement

Raist · « **Reply #5890 on:** March 29, 2019, 03:21:38 PM »

Quote from: Nintex on March 29, 2019, 03:01:53 PM

My prediction

- House wants to delay Brexit further
- EU won't budge
- Theresa May resigns to force EU to delay
- Boris takes over as Tory Leader and PM
- Macron / Merkel meet with Boris, agree to delay until after an election is held
- General Election
- Boris beats Corbyn
- House votes "NO" on Brexit withdrawal agreement

The EU won't delay anything unless the UK requests a long extension and holds MEP elections. Your prediction makes no sense dude.

Nintex · « **Reply #5891 on:** March 29, 2019, 03:35:45 PM »

Quote from: Raist on March 29, 2019, 03:21:38 PM

Quote from: Nintex on March 29, 2019, 03:01:53 PM
My prediction

- House wants to delay Brexit further
- EU won't budge
- Theresa May resigns to force EU to delay
- Boris takes over as Tory Leader and PM
- Macron / Merkel meet with Boris, agree to delay until after an election is held
- General Election
- Boris beats Corbyn
- House votes "NO" on Brexit withdrawal agreement

The EU won't delay anything unless the UK requests a long extension and holds MEP elections. Your prediction makes no sense dude.

12th of April is the deadline for Brexit. It can be extended but then all 27 EU countries have to agree.
The EU is already done planning the no deal Brexit and they said that there would be no way for the UK to revoke article 50 on their own (although the EU courts didn't agree on that).
If they want to stick with the EU they will need to re-do the entire membership process as far as Brussels is concerned. Which has certainly gotten more difficult after the Euro crisis.

shosta · « **Reply #5892 on:** March 29, 2019, 03:58:55 PM »

Ok, today I'm Super Mad about this revisionism from the NYT today.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/world/americas/red-cross-venezuela-aid.html

The lies are left as an exercise for the reader.

wsippel · « **Reply #5893 on:** March 29, 2019, 06:07:17 PM »

Quote from: Nintex on March 29, 2019, 03:01:53 PM

My prediction

- House wants to delay Brexit further
- EU won't budge
- Theresa May resigns to force EU to delay
- Boris takes over as Tory Leader and PM
- Macron / Merkel meet with Boris, agree to delay until after an election is held
- General Election
- Boris beats Corbyn
- House votes "NO" on Brexit withdrawal agreement

Let's be totally honest here: Pretty much no politician wants Brexit to happen. Cameron started the shitshow because he was sick and tired of people/ the press constantly bitching about the EU, so he thought a referendum would be some golden bullet to make critics shut up once and for all. It backfired in spectacular and completely unexpected fashion. May doesn't want to leave the EU either, but simply ignoring the referendum looks super fucking bad and will make a ton of people mad. Many Brits still don't get it and still want out, and they're not going to be happy if their government just announces to ignore "the will of the people" and stay. So she has to (pretend to) go through with it, and work out a deal. But it's a farce - the house can't vote for whatever deal she manages to negotiate, or no deal at all, because either decision would still be voting for Brexit, and they know that would be suicide. They know it, May knows it, Brussels know it - everybody knows it. They are between a rock and a hard place. There'll be riots no matter what they do, they'll lose a ton of trust in their government in the UK either way, leaving the EU would fuck the UK over harder than most people could imagine, staying now means they'll be Brussels' bitch for decades. It doesn't even matter what they do anymore, the damage is done. A new referendum or new elections are not really going to help much, no matter the outcome.

Nintex · « **Reply #5894 on:** March 29, 2019, 06:37:05 PM »

The UK has been slowly falling apart for decades and what saved it was the 'City' or in other words, the tax haven in London propped up by both parties.
Brexit is an effective distraction from the 'real' problems I think. Which are not that different from the problems the heartland in the US and South Europe face.

In other news, Trump might be in power longer than the 'President for life' after all

https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1111743992738336768

Kunai With Chain · « **Reply #5895 on:** March 29, 2019, 06:48:45 PM »

Oh wow he is limping, what's the estimated TOD for that? 6 month at best, right?

kingv · « **Reply #5896 on:** March 29, 2019, 07:19:59 PM »

Quote from: wsippel on March 29, 2019, 06:07:17 PM

Quote from: Nintex on March 29, 2019, 03:01:53 PM
My prediction

- House wants to delay Brexit further
- EU won't budge
- Theresa May resigns to force EU to delay
- Boris takes over as Tory Leader and PM
- Macron / Merkel meet with Boris, agree to delay until after an election is held
- General Election
- Boris beats Corbyn
- House votes "NO" on Brexit withdrawal agreement

Let's be totally honest here: Pretty much no politician wants Brexit to happen. Cameron started the shitshow because he was sick and tired of people/ the press constantly bitching about the EU, so he thought a referendum would be some golden bullet to make critics shut up once and for all. It backfired in spectacular and completely unexpected fashion. May doesn't want to leave the EU either, but simply ignoring the referendum looks super fucking bad and will make a ton of people mad. Many Brits still don't get it and still want out, and they're not going to be happy if their government just announces to ignore "the will of the people" and stay. So she has to (pretend to) go through with it, and work out a deal. But it's a farce - the house can't vote for whatever deal she manages to negotiate, or no deal at all, because either decision would still be voting for Brexit, and they know that would be suicide. They know it, May knows it, Brussels know it - everybody knows it. They are between a rock and a hard place. There'll be riots no matter what they do, they'll lose a ton of trust in their government in the UK either way, leaving the EU would fuck the UK over harder than most people could imagine, staying now means they'll be Brussels' bitch for decades. It doesn't even matter what they do anymore, the damage is done. A new referendum or new elections are not really going to help much, no matter the outcome.

The situation reminds me a lot of the TARP votes in the US.

Yeah, you have to eat a shit sandwich, but if the choice is between “ruin the economy for a generation” and “have a bit of a tough election” the choice is obvious.

They very obviously need to come back to Brussels with their hat in their hand. Crashing out will be a disaster. That much is 100% obvious. Purposely causing a recession will not save their electoral chances.

Raist · « **Reply #5897 on:** March 30, 2019, 07:53:29 AM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46064836

A good highlight of the work going on in the major EU countries. Quite the sharp contrast with the UK's ongoing shitshow

Nintex · « **Reply #5898 on:** March 30, 2019, 08:43:11 AM »

Quote from: Raist on March 30, 2019, 07:53:29 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46064836

A good highlight of the work going on in the major EU countries. Quite the sharp contrast with the UK's ongoing shitshow

Not to mention all the big businesses and jobs moving from the UK to The Netherlands.

how we took over the EU

"You know, what you should do Dave? Reform the EU with me."

"You know what you should do Marine? Form an anti-EU block with me."

"Solidarity amongst nations? What are you talking about Janis? Just close your hospitals, schools and sell your islands."

"Just tell the US the Russians hacked them and we have the evidence"

"Just have our NATO ambassador tell everyone Putin wants to reform the USSR"

"Don't worry Trump, I'll help you negotiate with NATO"

"Just hold my hand Jean-Claude"

"No worries May, we will give you an extension"

"Time to blow this joint Mark"

[close]

#TAKEBACKCONTROL
#BORISFORLEADER

Do eeeet

Tripon · « **Reply #5899 on:** March 30, 2019, 12:14:04 PM »

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1111938276531884033

Watch out, Piers Morgan on the case.

Raist · « **Reply #5900 on:** March 30, 2019, 12:41:33 PM »

Nintex · « **Reply #5901 on:** March 30, 2019, 03:05:10 PM »

People actively acting against their own interest to prove a point that benefits absololutely no one is the quintessential essence of Brexit.

Raist · « **Reply #5902 on:** March 30, 2019, 03:11:08 PM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47756122

Quote

Theresa May and her cabinet are looking for ways to bring her EU withdrawal agreement back to the Commons for a fourth attempt at winning MPs' backing.

The PM said the UK would need "an alternative way forward" after her plan was defeated by 58 votes on Friday.

MPs from all parties will test support for other options during a second round of "indicative votes" on Monday.

However, Conservative Party chairman Brandon Lewis said the government did not support any of those options.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn refused to say whether his party would offer an option to remain in the EU during these votes, but said the obvious choice was "a good economic relationship with Europe".

shosta · « **Reply #5903 on:** March 30, 2019, 03:20:11 PM »

If corbyn's secretly been waiting for the right moment to seize the national spotlight and lead the charge to cancel brexit, after everything else has been tried, now is really the time.

Nintex · « **Reply #5904 on:** March 30, 2019, 03:30:57 PM »

Quote from: shosta on March 30, 2019, 03:20:11 PM

If corbyn's secretly been waiting for the right moment to seize the national spotlight and lead the charge to ~~cancel brexit~~ complain about jam packed trains, after everything else has been tried, now is really not the time.

And that is exactly what Jeremy Corbyn will do.

Nintex · « **Reply #5905 on:** March 30, 2019, 05:01:13 PM »

Quote from: Esch on March 30, 2019, 03:59:30 PM

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/03/29/asia/churchill-bengal-famine-intl-scli-gbr/

what a piece of shit.

Meanwhile on Alt-Earth
"Japanese India celebrates 76th anniversary of victory over English occupiers and honors last remaining German veteran of Operation Sea Lion"

People now look back saying: "Just look at how bad Roosevelt and Churchill were! War Criminals!" can you imagine what the outcome would've been had they not made those life and death decisions and sacrifices?
Germany sunk many of those food transports which were literally the lifeline of the UK. Without the Brits the lack of artic convoy's would've denied the Russians the vehicles, materials and food they needed and the UK would've been occupied denying the allies of the staging ground needed to launch D-Day.

"Booh, they fed their armies!" . What do you think the Germans did? Distribute it evenly among the Reich?

Churchill did what he had to do to keep the allies in the fight for another day. Had he not it would've ended in Axis victory in WWII or the US would've nuked much more than just 2 Japanese cities.
Talking about Japan an India occupied by Imperial Japan would've been much like occupied China. The death rate would've been far higher.

shosta · « **Reply #5906 on:** March 30, 2019, 05:56:37 PM »

Quote from: Nintex on March 30, 2019, 05:01:13 PM

"Booh, they fed their armies!" . What do you think the Germans did? Distribute it evenly among the Reich?

we should look to the nazis for our moral baseline

Nintex · « **Reply #5907 on:** March 30, 2019, 07:41:43 PM »

I just think it's pretty dumb to in hindsight judge people that are long dead and prevented the world for turning into an eternal fascist hell hole for their actions.
But I guess we need to defecate on one of the biggest heroes of all time to feel morally superior.

Mandark · « **Reply #5908 on:** March 30, 2019, 08:35:10 PM »

For a dude who's always whining that the EU is too far removed from the people it governs and burdens them with rules that aren't in their best interest, you're sure defensive about a literal imperialist power starving millions of its conquered subjects to death.

curly · « **Reply #5909 on:** March 30, 2019, 08:47:59 PM »

Quote from: Nintex on March 30, 2019, 07:41:43 PM

I just think it's pretty dumb to in hindsight judge people that are long dead and prevented the world for turning into an eternal fascist hell hole for their actions.

But we aren't talking about the soviets, we're talking about Churchill?

shosta · « **Reply #5910 on:** March 30, 2019, 08:50:07 PM »

No one is faultless or above scrutiny and the death toll in Bangladesh isn't justifiable at all. Great Britain could have imported more goods from the US.

kingv · « **Reply #5911 on:** March 30, 2019, 09:20:13 PM »

They probably tried to send some spotted dick down to India, and they were like “nah, we’re good, king”

Raist · « **Reply #5912 on:** March 31, 2019, 05:27:49 AM »

Chruchill, a hero?

Nintex · « **Reply #5913 on:** March 31, 2019, 01:32:54 PM »

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1112400581728047111
Yasssss

Quote

At a Soviet-era circus theatre just days before Ukraine's presidential election, the frontrunner in the race held his audience rapt with a mix of boob jokes and vaguely patriotic songs.

The era of dankness continues.

Tripon · « **Reply #5914 on:** March 31, 2019, 01:56:20 PM »

https://twitter.com/SimonOstrovsky/status/1112410619477716994

She's back.

Nintex · « **Reply #5915 on:** March 31, 2019, 02:11:29 PM »

And still corrupt af

Quote

According to the Tymoshenko team’s exit polls she got 20.9 and Poroshenko got 17.5.

https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1112405497498533890

LMAO cry moar

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1112415836126486530
Tymoshenko told Zelensky she would support him in exchange for the PM slot.
He didn't take the offer.

shosta · « **Reply #5916 on:** March 31, 2019, 02:25:34 PM »

So... why don't they just leave Northern Ireland in the single market? That's what the EU offered. No hard border and the rest of May's deal gives brexiters everything they want. Northern Ireland voted Remain anyway.

Kunai With Chain · « **Reply #5917 on:** March 31, 2019, 03:11:35 PM »

DUP is against it. For reasons.

Raist · « **Reply #5918 on:** March 31, 2019, 03:14:02 PM »

Quote from: shosta on March 31, 2019, 02:25:34 PM

So... why don't they just leave Northern Ireland in the single market? That's what the EU offered. No hard border and the rest of May's deal gives brexiters everything they want. Northern Ireland voted Remain anyway.

Because something something UNITED kingdom something something reunification of Ireland.

Tripon · « **Reply #5919 on:** March 31, 2019, 05:37:24 PM »

Quote from: Kunai With Chain on March 31, 2019, 03:11:35 PM

DUP is against it. For reasons.

The minute you let North Ireland leave, Scotland is going to force a 2nd referendum on Scottish Independence. The United Kingdom sans North Ireland and Scotland doesn't sound as nice.

Tripon · « **Reply #5920 on:** March 31, 2019, 05:38:11 PM »

https://twitter.com/EllenBarryNYT/status/1112379085311881216

Nintex · « **Reply #5921 on:** March 31, 2019, 06:01:27 PM »

What the people voted for:
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

- Remain a member of the European Union
- Leave the European Union*

What was in the fine print

*and enjoy an unspecified duration of party politics and government infighting that achieves nothing?

Raist · « **Reply #5922 on:** April 01, 2019, 02:07:20 PM »

https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/1112756332564750336

Raist · « **Reply #5923 on:** April 01, 2019, 03:03:07 PM »

https://twitter.com/CER_EU/status/1111915972632420353

VomKriege · « **Reply #5924 on:** April 01, 2019, 03:16:08 PM »

Bouteflika on the way out this month.

Renault-Nissan notified to justice that they had suspect money transfers to Oman dating back to former CEO Carlos Ghosn (destituted after his arrest in Japan on charge of misappropriated millions from the company, including a lavish wedding at the Versailles Palace without paying for the location). Who knows how deep this pit of fuckery goes.

Nintex · « **Reply #5925 on:** April 01, 2019, 03:46:20 PM »

Soooo what's the latest on Brexit?
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1112742431064236032

oh

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1112749714615820289

I see

Raist · « **Reply #5926 on:** April 01, 2019, 03:52:54 PM »

They;re not voting on H either, Bercow shot it down too.

Nintex · « **Reply #5927 on:** April 01, 2019, 03:59:52 PM »

And they're not pleased so they're just writing their own options on the ballots.

https://twitter.com/DavidTCDavies/status/1112797607682822145

Raist · « **Reply #5928 on:** April 01, 2019, 04:02:58 PM »

Tripon · « **Reply #5929 on:** April 01, 2019, 04:03:50 PM »

Quote from: Nintex on April 01, 2019, 03:59:52 PM

And they're not pleased so they're just writing their own options on the ballots.

https://twitter.com/DavidTCDavies/status/1112797607682822145

What is a WTO Brexit? World Trade Organization?

Raist · « **Reply #5930 on:** April 01, 2019, 04:05:01 PM »

It basically is no-deal.

But since that one lost by like 400 to 150 last week, they're trying to pretend it's different.

shosta · « **Reply #5931 on:** April 01, 2019, 04:18:08 PM »

Can someone explain to me how staying in the customs union without freedom of movement will be possible; if you can get all the benefits of free trade without opening your borders, why should any country stay in the EU? And if it's not possible, what's the point?

Occam · « **Reply #5932 on:** April 01, 2019, 04:33:01 PM »

Quote from: shosta on April 01, 2019, 04:18:08 PM

Can someone explain to me how staying in the customs union without freedom of movement will be possible; if you can get all the benefits of free trade without opening your borders, why should any country stay in the EU? And if it's not possible, what's the point?

It's not possible. You need to understand that these people are very very stupid.

shosta · « **Reply #5933 on:** April 01, 2019, 04:33:54 PM »

Raist · « **Reply #5934 on:** April 01, 2019, 05:11:11 PM »

Indicative votes results:

kingv · « **Reply #5935 on:** April 01, 2019, 05:12:03 PM »

It’s like fantasy Brexit.

They should just put some deal on the table to vote for that’s not actually one of the possible deals but is really really good.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #5936 on:** April 01, 2019, 05:14:46 PM »

Quote from: shosta on April 01, 2019, 04:18:08 PM

Can someone explain to me how staying in the customs union without freedom of movement will be possible; if you can get all the benefits of free trade without opening your borders, why should any country stay in the EU? And if it's not possible, what's the point?

Most countries actually want free movement of people becauae they are not dumb

Raist · « **Reply #5937 on:** April 01, 2019, 05:31:04 PM »

https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1112828931818881025

Tripon · « **Reply #5938 on:** April 01, 2019, 05:34:30 PM »

https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/1112827512264876033

Bloomberg getting the Brexit account is some late stage capitalism.

Nintex · « **Reply #5939 on:** April 01, 2019, 05:59:45 PM »

These motions are also entirely pointless because most of these proposals would be rejected by the EU anyway.

Also, if you think Labour is anything more organized than the conservatives
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1112829389731979264

And that actually lost them the vote

https://twitter.com/jr33rpm/status/1112826522988154885

News:

Author Topic: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster (Read 699308 times)