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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6300 on: May 19, 2019, 03:07:16 PM »
The witnesses? John Bolton and Mike Pompeo.

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« Reply #6301 on: May 19, 2019, 03:08:40 PM »
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« Reply #6302 on: May 19, 2019, 04:45:52 PM »
So Yurop frens how is the EU election(TM) going in your member state?
In our country the ruling party (VVD) is in a shared 1st spot with the now famous FVD.

Thierry has challenged our PM Mark Rutte to a debate the day prior to the vote and he has accepted after some back and forth about the terms.


On the left leader of the FVD Thierry Baudet
On the right a former journalist who now lives in New York who will be Thierry's man in Brussels

The ruling party is bombarding Thierry with YouTube videos critizing him, which only makes his position as a legitimate challenger stronger.
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6303 on: May 19, 2019, 04:52:55 PM »
Those definitely look like some Europeans

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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6304 on: May 19, 2019, 05:04:50 PM »
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6307 on: May 20, 2019, 02:35:41 PM »
Fear will keep the local oblasts in line.
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6308 on: May 21, 2019, 04:03:00 AM »
French Socialists are good for a laugh if anything, as Raphael Glucksmann (I'm sure Kara will be familiar with his father), who leads the Place Publique list (feat. the remnants of the PSF), met with the Socialist Portuguese Prime Minister, Antonio Costa, and promptly claimed to have his support. Alas, Costa was received by Macron at the Elysée a few hours later and they made a joint statement where Costa clearly seems to weight in for a "the new progressive pro European impulse" spearheaded by the French President.

I'll probably vote Communist and add myself to the other 2% who'll do the same.
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6309 on: May 21, 2019, 04:25:52 AM »
As for the Euro election proper, basically no one cares. There will be a couple televised debates this week for a limp spike in interest but only 40% of registered voters are expected to vote. Apparently it's much of the same everywhere else, it's not uncommon to have 30 or 40 lists running in your country of residence (Italy has only 20 or so though).

Apparently there was a debate in Brussels with 4 or 6 of leading figures for their respective movements at the European level and some of the nationalist far right euroskeptics has a big get together to convince everyone they'll be able to coordinate.

Basically the big picture outcome is that the PPE / PSOE will lose their tight grip on the Europarliament and we should be headed for a four blocks divide : PPE, PSOE, the liberal (in the Euro sense of free markets and personal freedoms) ALDE which Macron's party may or may not join and probably a far right group.
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« Reply #6311 on: May 21, 2019, 07:10:21 PM »
As for the Euro election proper, basically no one cares. There will be a couple televised debates this week for a limp spike in interest but only 40% of registered voters are expected to vote. Apparently it's much of the same everywhere else, it's not uncommon to have 30 or 40 lists running in your country of residence (Italy has only 20 or so though).

Apparently there was a debate in Brussels with 4 or 6 of leading figures for their respective movements at the European level and some of the nationalist far right euroskeptics has a big get together to convince everyone they'll be able to coordinate.

Basically the big picture outcome is that the PPE / PSOE will lose their tight grip on the Europarliament and we should be headed for a four blocks divide : PPE, PSOE, the liberal (in the Euro sense of free markets and personal freedoms) ALDE which Macron's party may or may not join and probably a far right group.
In the Netherlands the deputy secretary justice has just resigned following the misreporting of crime statistics.
The department of justice listed some very serious crimes (murder, rape etc.) commited in asylum centers as 'other'. Instead of their respective columns of serious felonies.
Misleading parliament and the public about the real crime figures. He says that it wasn't done on purpose but he has resigned because he is ultimately responsible for reporting those statistics.

Tommorow Thierry Baudet(challenger) will debate our sitting prime minister Mark Rutte although they both play no part in the EU elections aside from leading their respective parties.
Our government is getting more unpopular and is running on fumes. But with parties still busy hammering out their strategies it doesn't seem like anyone is in any rush to trigger parliamentary elections at this time.

As for EU elections it is likely that the EPP guy (Manfred(?)) will become the new commisioner when the dust has settled. No one wants Timmermans and no one likes Guy Verhofstadt.
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6312 on: May 22, 2019, 01:51:13 AM »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-prepares-charges-sanctions-over-venezuelas-food-aid-program-11558467079

Since our coup failed, we are now going to intentionally try to starve people to death by targeting the government's food aid program which feeds 15% of the population
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6313 on: May 22, 2019, 02:29:24 AM »
I wonder, at what point did everyone here realize that the USA is a rogue nation?
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6314 on: May 22, 2019, 05:16:36 AM »
I wonder, at what point did everyone here realize that the USA is a rogue nation?

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Between 1946 and 1966 I guess, like everyone else ?
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6315 on: May 22, 2019, 06:53:21 AM »
I wonder, at what point did everyone here realize that the USA is a rogue nation?

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Between 1946 and 1966 I guess, like everyone else ?

i wasn't even born then!

My first thought was:


But that's not really true since we didn't know it was all lies until later.

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« Reply #6316 on: May 22, 2019, 09:11:02 AM »
I wonder, at what point did everyone here realize that the USA is a rogue nation?

When they refused to pay their taxes like the stamp act required them to. :pacspit

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« Reply #6317 on: May 22, 2019, 09:59:08 AM »
I wonder, at what point did everyone here realize that the USA is a rogue nation?


The US was literally founded as a rogue nation. It's never NOT been one.

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« Reply #6318 on: May 22, 2019, 12:07:24 PM »
I wonder, at what point did everyone here realize that the USA is a rogue nation?
Unlike Vom and jorma, this question is a lot more significant to Americans because we really do live under a national cloak of amnesiac patriotism. For me because I'm young and Obama was ok, it was just these last couple of years under Trump where everything is going wrong and I had to swallow several times that I just live in a bad country. Not a reckless or mistaken one, but a bad one.
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6319 on: May 22, 2019, 12:12:51 PM »
I wonder, at what point did everyone here realize that the USA is a rogue nation?
it's a state breh

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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6320 on: May 22, 2019, 12:31:58 PM »
UK: We will shoot ourselves in the dick. It is the only thing that we can do better than everyone else now that our country is in the gutter"
US: "WOOO!! *BANG BANG* USA NUMBER 1 SELF DICK SHOOTER! WE'RE GOING TO SHOOT OURSELVES IN THE DICK SO HARD IT'LL MAKE YOUR HEAD SPIN!"

Margaret Thatcher
Ronald Reagan

Theresa May
Donald Trump

history doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes

and at the end of Trump's second term Russia will face another leadership crisis just as it did when Reagan left office.

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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6321 on: May 22, 2019, 12:52:07 PM »
I wonder, at what point did everyone here realize that the USA is a rogue nation?
Unlike Vom and jorma, this question is a lot more significant to Americans because we really do live under a national cloak of amnesiac patriotism. For me because I'm young and Obama was ok, it was just these last couple of years under Trump where everything is going wrong and I had to swallow several times that I just live in a bad country. Not a reckless or mistaken one, but a bad one.

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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6322 on: May 22, 2019, 12:58:14 PM »
I wonder, at what point did everyone here realize that the USA is a rogue nation?
Unlike Vom and jorma, this question is a lot more significant to Americans because we really do live under a national cloak of amnesiac patriotism. For me because I'm young and Obama was ok, it was just these last couple of years under Trump where everything is going wrong and I had to swallow several times that I just live in a bad country. Not a reckless or mistaken one, but a bad one.

I don't think many Europeans see Trump as this huge threat where  everything has gone wrong.
We have seen this song and dance before. Trump is kinda hilarious in his personal incompetence and buffoonery, but as far as foreign policy is concerned he is just keeping the status quo alive. Obama could make you feel really good when he was giving a speech though. :yeshrug

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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6323 on: May 22, 2019, 02:28:18 PM »
that's because you guys are ready to take the reins :lol
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6324 on: May 22, 2019, 03:28:57 PM »
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1131273132852109313

Meanwhile the Brexit party is polling at 37% for the EU elections with Labour and the Conservatives below 20%.

However the Night King is trapped
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1131272279025954816

Another coup against May, that makes it exactly 31 attempts by the tories to get rid of their own PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1131256802396561412

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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6325 on: May 22, 2019, 04:08:12 PM »
that's because you guys are ready to take the reins :lol
Not when Brussels keeps picking guys like this to run things

https://twitter.com/lukemcgee/status/1131260148834537472
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6326 on: May 22, 2019, 04:53:13 PM »
I wonder, at what point did everyone here realize that the USA is a rogue nation?

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Between 1946 and 1966 I guess, like everyone else ?

You are way older than I expected! Indeed, for those alive at the time (I wasn't), McCarthy and Vietnam should have been sufficient wakeup calls.

For me personally it was George W. Bush and Iraq. His "democratic" election also made me realize that American democracy is a sham.

On a related note, when did all those CIA-backed coups become public knowledge? Or was that stuff always known and you just had to care enough to find out?
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6327 on: May 22, 2019, 05:09:50 PM »
Iran-Contra was a major scandal that could have led to Reagan's impeachment if there was more evidence. The arrangement was leaked by Iranians and a plane carrying weapons was downed over Nicaragua. Panama was a publicized US invasion. People found out about Chile because of the Church Committee (most of those findings are still classified). It just depends on what we're talking about. Obama started a secret war in Yemen that we didn't really find out about until Cablegate.

If you want to get some reading in:



and Chomsky's favorite,

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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6328 on: May 22, 2019, 05:24:34 PM »
Thanks. Yeah, I know most of this by now, but presumably it's not general knowledge, especially not among Americans. It's quite amazing how virtually every single US President since 1945 is responsible for some heinous interventionist shit around the globe.
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6329 on: May 22, 2019, 05:50:45 PM »
I wonder, at what point did everyone here realize that the USA is a rogue nation?

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Between 1946 and 1966 I guess, like everyone else ?

You are way older than I expected! Indeed, for those alive at the time (I wasn't), McCarthy and Vietnam should have been sufficient wakeup calls.

For me personally it was George W. Bush and Iraq. His "democratic" election also made me realize that American democracy is a sham.

On a related note, when did all those CIA-backed coups become public knowledge? Or was that stuff always known and you just had to care enough to find out?

I'm not that old (obviously) but a latent suspicion towards America permeates my country and I would expect most of Europe since then, hence the joke (takes one to know one and all that). Though I guess the term would be "Imperial" rather than "rogue".
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« Reply #6331 on: May 22, 2019, 11:52:11 PM »
It's quite amazing how virtually every single US President since 1945 is responsible for some heinous interventionist shit around the globe.
Is it though?

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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6332 on: May 23, 2019, 12:13:18 AM »
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6333 on: May 23, 2019, 03:38:40 AM »
So those muppets want to remove those words from the Royal Coat of Arms?

Isn't that treason :thinking

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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6334 on: May 23, 2019, 04:02:05 AM »
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Jean-Claude Juncker has suggested that Brussels is expecting another Brexit extension in October as he criticised MPs for prioritising the prime minister’s removal over finding agreement on a Brexit deal.

With May appearing on the brink of resignation, the European commission president spoke of his admiration for her resilience and his disdain for the attempts to remove her.

“What I don’t like in the British debate is it seems more important to replace the prime minister than to find an agreement among themselves,” Juncker said in an interview with CNN. “This is a woman who knows how to do things but she is unable to succeed in doing things. I like her very much; she is a tough person.”
Is that... are we sure that's a compliment?
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6335 on: May 23, 2019, 04:42:11 AM »
Did he say this in English? It contradicts itself: If you know HOW to do things, you succeed at doing them. If you don't, you fail.
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« Reply #6336 on: May 23, 2019, 05:18:06 AM »
That's probably awkward phrasing from a non-native speaker. May is a hard-worker (thus "she's tough") but her efforts didn't met much success, probably because "MPs [are] prioritising the prime minister’s removal over finding agreement on a Brexit deal".
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6337 on: May 23, 2019, 06:55:27 AM »
So... Huawei apparently barred from using licenced Google apps (including the Store) and ARM chips. The Trump administration is really going for the jugular huh.
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6338 on: May 23, 2019, 07:34:10 AM »
Couldn't they just start using Lineage OS? After all, Android is open source. Of course customers would then need to install Google's store/apps manually. If on the other hand they start selling their phones with some sort of proprietary OS, sales outside of China are dead.
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« Reply #6339 on: May 23, 2019, 08:05:10 AM »
Couldn't they just start using Lineage OS? After all, Android is open source. Of course customers would then need to install Google's store/apps manually. If of the other hand they start selling their phones with some sort of proprietary OS, sales outside of China are dead.

I'm no tech specialist but AFAIK it's gonna be a major impediment to have Google Apps, even if downloaded separately, or so it seems. The major one being the App Store which is a gateway for anything else. Android has an open source version but obviously not the latest / without the latest security updates.

ARM is the base for almost all smartphones.

Anyway I'm pretty surprised at just how open an effort it is to cripple Huawei. It's evolving past the point of "just" tariffs and grandstanding into economic measures that could spiral into a nasty political crisis.
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6340 on: May 23, 2019, 08:30:35 AM »
Android doesn't require ARM, my previous tablet had an x86 CPU (Intel Atom).
All modern apps run on both architectures.

Edit: I'm not disagreeing with you by the way, this will absolutely cripple Huawei. It's quite shocking how the US President is able to implement such measures like a dictator.
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« Reply #6341 on: May 23, 2019, 08:45:53 AM »
Yes, Android is open source. Companies buy the license anyway because it's a pain of the ass to wait for the public release when you can have the private version much earlier to change and add features that fits your vision for the platform you are creating.


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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6342 on: May 23, 2019, 08:47:56 AM »
https://twitter.com/SimonOstrovsky/status/1129789890282053638
https://twitter.com/SimonOstrovsky/status/1129800568904540160

Did any other U.S. administration in recent memory let so many of their cabinet members or surrogates were allowed to go 'rouge' so often?

Hell, any administration from any country in general.

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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6343 on: May 23, 2019, 09:01:57 AM »
The DGSI (French counter intelligence) apparently "invited" 8 journalists from newspaper Le Monde to have a "freeform hearing" about their coverage of the Benalla scandal or franch armements used in Yemen.

Much liberalism, such novelty wow thanks Macron.
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6344 on: May 23, 2019, 10:45:25 AM »
Did he say this in English? It contradicts itself: If you know HOW to do things, you succeed at doing them. If you don't, you fail.

It sounds like he's saying that she knows how to get things done, but she can't because she's surrounded by fuck-ups.
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6345 on: May 23, 2019, 01:12:52 PM »
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"The U.S. must be willing to intervene in Venezuela the way we did in Grenada," Graham wrote in the Wall Street Journal.
Someone tell Lindsey that blue balls are a myth!
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6346 on: May 23, 2019, 01:18:36 PM »
Anyway I'm pretty surprised at just how open an effort it is to cripple Huawei. It's evolving past the point of "just" tariffs and grandstanding into economic measures that could spiral into a nasty political crisis.
I'm hyped for retaliation in the rare earth mineral markets, that's when the show really gets started.
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6347 on: May 23, 2019, 01:25:08 PM »
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"The U.S. must be willing to intervene in Venezuela the way we did in Grenada," Graham wrote in the Wall Street Journal.
Someone tell Lindsey that blue balls are a myth!

Is Graham volunteering for front line duty?
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6348 on: May 23, 2019, 01:27:33 PM »
Yes, but only if it's just like his military career, where he does nothing.


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Hundreds of EU citizens living in Britain have been turned away at polling stations as they attempted to vote in the European elections on Thursday, campaigners say.

Voters reported confusion with the process for participation in the elections, failings by local councils, and names being crossed off voting lists at polling stations.
Raist, how mad are you? :lol
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6349 on: May 23, 2019, 02:11:20 PM »
That's what you get Yurop for not giving the UK points at Eurovision  :hmph

Meanwhile in the Netherlands
[https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1131528232841486336
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6350 on: May 23, 2019, 03:53:33 PM »
Exit polls show the Social Democrats winning for the first time in years. Because people voted for the 'Spitzenkandidat' at the expense of other pro-European parties.

We've dubbed it: "The Frans Timmermans Effect"



VVD(our PM's party) ends in second place.
FvD a shared 3rd or 4th place with the Christian Democrats.
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« Reply #6351 on: May 23, 2019, 05:41:41 PM »
German voters will get a chance to elect Hess, Goebbels, Goering, Eichmann etc. on Sunday:



https://sputniknews.com/europe/201905221075226500-die-partei-germany-nazis/
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6352 on: May 23, 2019, 05:43:36 PM »
I voted for the 50+ party


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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6353 on: May 24, 2019, 05:43:12 AM »
May to step down... But not immediately. It's a whole matriochka of exits !
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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6354 on: May 24, 2019, 06:09:39 AM »
Aww. Lookit this poor mad old lady.




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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6355 on: May 24, 2019, 06:58:46 AM »
Boris' turn, now? :heh

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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6356 on: May 24, 2019, 07:45:16 AM »
Boris's sex face this morning


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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6357 on: May 24, 2019, 11:06:37 AM »
GG England, you had a nice run


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Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
« Reply #6359 on: May 24, 2019, 11:18:47 AM »
Does Boris Johnson actually have a strong chance of being next PM or are people just kidding? I've seen it come up alot since May's announcment.
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