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mormapope

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24720 on: August 18, 2016, 09:42:29 PM »
FFXII is terrible when compared to Matsuno's other work, and easily the worst game in the Ivalice universe.
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« Reply #24721 on: August 18, 2016, 09:49:17 PM »
Matsuno died for our sins.

Voice quality was garbage, but the actual acting and dialogue is leagues better than any Square game after.

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The Beastiary lore was better than anything in the actual game. All of it was sourced from a primer Matsuno wrote and we only got very little of his grand vision.  :'(
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24722 on: August 18, 2016, 09:58:14 PM »
Matsuno died for our sins.

Voice quality was garbage, but the actual acting and dialogue is leagues better than any Square game after.
If only he hadn't burned out. :'(

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« Reply #24723 on: August 18, 2016, 10:09:22 PM »
Megaten is for real men.  :smug

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« Reply #24724 on: August 18, 2016, 10:32:56 PM »
SRPGs are for real men.  :smug

Fixed that.  ;)

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24725 on: August 18, 2016, 10:39:14 PM »
APK still rollin:
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I have no problem with them being sued for wrong actions, even gawker. The actions in the case weren't about the wrong doing, it was about stopping the other things that never were illegal and he couldn't sue on.

They intentionally abused a case that had some merit to be litigated but intentionally distorted it to target other things they never could. it was an abuse of the justice system.

If the new york times breaks the law most of the time the entire outlet isn't destroyed.

Say for example NY mag posts a defamatory story by a freelancer? Should they be shut down? Gawker was an easy target because its hard for it to gain sympathy for it because it defied good taste a lot of the time. That's intentional! It makes it easier to deflect from the principles at stake, because the actors are so odious and it requires the defenders to be seen as defending things they don't agree with.

Now every other outlet, especially smaller ones, is going to be a little more careful about offending rich folks for fear of a battle like this. See the email case, this isn't just for people to fear about outing or people sex lives. This is about people not wanting outlets reporting on their doings even when they're in the public interest.
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this video contained hogan go on a racist rant which is surely in the public interest.
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What is everyone's journalistic ethics?

does it ever change?

is it absolute?

does it limit first amendment protections?

what if people disagree?

I keep seeing that thrown around but its never defined.

I mean I for one disagree with a lot of what gawker posted and there are things that are beyond the pale. But that is my opinion and I'd chose not to go to the site but should we impose that on others? What happens when we get into thornier issues that go beyond outing and sex videos?
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The question is not of the illegality of the tape but if it was in public interest.

public interest, more like pubic interest amirite

Rahxephon91

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« Reply #24726 on: August 18, 2016, 11:02:52 PM »
Best acted? Maybe. It's hard to tell when it was obviously recorded in a phone booth.
User defined battle system? Sure. But anyone with an ounce of programming background can set the game to play itself with no interaction for 80-90% of the battles. If the game doesn't need you to play it, where is the sense of danger or urgency. "Oh, it's a boss, I should probably pick up the controller."
Ivalice is stunning, to be sure. No one can debate that. Shame they didn't put as much time in dungeon design, beautiful but aggravating.

Ultimately I think FFXII is more akin to Shenmue than anything else. It's a better experience than a game. Of course, in a post NMS world, that saying should probably be updated because at least Shenmue and FFXII were games.
The sound quailty is bad and hopefully the HD version corrects that. Still, it's hard to argue that the voice acting is'nt top quailty. Everyone sounds authentic and no one is putting out "anime" voices.

And not everyone is a programmer though, but it should be easy enough to do that if you want. Which is the point. It then helps take the tedium out of mob encounters which for better or worse, is a problem in 99% of JRPGS. Not every encounter is going to be thrilling. Sometimes, you are just trying to get some money. If you want it to play like a regular ATB FF just on the field, you can. It's about choices and honestly most of my enjoyment in a JRPG battle system is understanding the system and setting it up to do what I want. FFXII does that well and is all about that. Could it be more involved, clearly because Xenoblade exists. But it wasn't bad then and was something actually new. It still works today.

And yes most mob battles in rpgs are kind of boring. It really is only until boss battles were something cool happens and for the most part the boss encounters in XII do make you re-think your gambits and set-ups. So there can be a lot of planning or on the fly decision making during those battles.

I'll admit the dungeons are pretty simple, but honestly I like when dungeons are simply go through them and kill stuff. I hate puzzles.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24727 on: August 18, 2016, 11:18:43 PM »
Fuck the Olympics, I can't believe Ash lost another league.

Jansen

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« Reply #24728 on: August 18, 2016, 11:30:22 PM »
FFXII is awesome.

  :like

Looking forward to buying the overpriced PS4 remaster

benjipwns

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24729 on: August 18, 2016, 11:59:44 PM »


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« Reply #24731 on: August 19, 2016, 12:10:06 AM »
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Its not bullshit. Anyone posting online now fears upsetting a billionare who has an vendetta.

Thiel literally a facist who doesn't believe in democracy, runs a spy ring and is a vampire
Obama's America.

Well don't say shit there won't be shit. Deal with it.
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thisismyusername

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24732 on: August 19, 2016, 12:37:13 AM »
Jason still going in the Gawker thread when he should've bailed off that hill. :doge

Defend your employers because you're going to be sued next for being associated with them (which is a valid concern) instead of bailing when they did shady shit (which isn't understandable), brehs. :lol

benjipwns

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« Reply #24733 on: August 19, 2016, 12:45:05 AM »
He's now got the backing of a multi-billion dollar international media conglomerate instead of fucking Nick Denton. Why would he be afraid of getting sued? What is he doing that he thinks will get him on Thiel's radar? Especially now that Gawker is dead.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24734 on: August 19, 2016, 12:46:50 AM »
I wonder how GAF posters would feel if they had a sex tape leaked online and a website refused to take it down.

Granted, it's GAF so we'll never know.

depends if its male or female gaffer

granted its gaf, so male


benjipwns

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« Reply #24735 on: August 19, 2016, 12:49:29 AM »
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The judge who told them to take it down was out of line, but this judge suggesting that the sex tape was somehow a public concern because Hogan had been a public braggart is little better. It is pretty clear that the contents of sex tapes, especially those not even consented to, are private, not public.
First of all, there's question of consent. And would you hold a sex tape of say a congressman cheating on his wife isn't public interest?
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thisismyusername

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24736 on: August 19, 2016, 12:52:48 AM »
I wonder how GAF posters would feel if they had a sex tape leaked online and a website refused to take it down.

Granted, it's GAF so we'll never know.

depends if its male or female gaffer

granted its gaf, so male

Male:

Straight-GAF: :donot

GayGAF:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=212466248&postcount=17 :lol

I mean they have a point on the double-standards of women not decrying naked men. But the difference here is he wasn't hacked/his private photos weren't taken without his consent. The only ONLY objectionable part is these photos were probably taken by paparazzi with telelenses from like a mile or so away, similar to how photos of the Royal British family are done.

It definitely is a completely different situation compared to the fappening, but you and I both know that GAF would be flipping out about privacy and violations of someones body and sexism if it had been a famous woman photographed in a similar way.

Me? I'm just out heah like for both sexes (though really, mostly men) like:

https://twitter.com/ianspencer95/status/760980464261881856

Let me modify the next bit:

Then you find out he's not hung like a horse:

(Image removed from quote.)

(and cut to boot: :donot )

Female: Well, reverse that.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24737 on: August 19, 2016, 12:53:38 AM »
He's now got the backing of a multi-billion dollar international media conglomerate instead of fucking Nick Denton. Why would he be afraid of getting sued? What is he doing that he thinks will get him on Thiel's radar? Especially now that Gawker is dead.

He's being paid to do this right now. And that shit was picked through by 600 dollar an hour lawyers, bet on it.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24738 on: August 19, 2016, 12:58:24 AM »
He's now got the backing of a multi-billion dollar international media conglomerate instead of fucking Nick Denton. Why would he be afraid of getting sued? What is he doing that he thinks will get him on Thiel's radar? Especially now that Gawker is dead.

Because it's a matter of THE LAW! *Judge Dredd here* and being worried that the gravytrain journalism job of posting about FF7 hentai along with "sneak press fuck"ing is over. :doge

He's now got the backing of a multi-billion dollar international media conglomerate instead of fucking Nick Denton. Why would he be afraid of getting sued? What is he doing that he thinks will get him on Thiel's radar? Especially now that Gawker is dead.

He's being paid to do this right now. And that shit was picked through by 600 dollar an hour lawyers, bet on it.

I don't see why he'd be being paid to post on NeoGAF to try to fire-fight and "correct the record" on Gawker when 1) Gawker's main empire/his job is safe under Telemundo (for now) and 2) it's really not going to change peoples opinion on Gawker.
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benjipwns

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« Reply #24739 on: August 19, 2016, 01:14:00 AM »
Univision (which owns The Root and partly owns The Onion so they're clearly interested in the online space) not Telemundo (which is part of NBCUniversal).

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« Reply #24740 on: August 19, 2016, 01:15:18 AM »
He's now got the backing of a multi-billion dollar international media conglomerate instead of fucking Nick Denton. Why would he be afraid of getting sued? What is he doing that he thinks will get him on Thiel's radar? Especially now that Gawker is dead.

Because it's a matter of THE LAW! *Judge Dredd here* and being worried that the gravytrain journalism job of posting about FF7 hentai along with "sneak press fuck"ing is over. :doge

He's now got the backing of a multi-billion dollar international media conglomerate instead of fucking Nick Denton. Why would he be afraid of getting sued? What is he doing that he thinks will get him on Thiel's radar? Especially now that Gawker is dead.

He's being paid to do this right now. And that shit was picked through by 600 dollar an hour lawyers, bet on it.

I don't see why he'd be being paid to post on NeoGAF to try to fire-fight and "correct the record" on Gawker when 1) Gawker's main empire/his job is safe under Telemundo (for now) and 2) it's really not going to change peoples opinion on Gawker.

Because it will be spread around and generate a fuckton of clicks when he posts and article again? No such thing as bad publicity.
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« Reply #24741 on: August 19, 2016, 01:15:24 AM »
Trump: WHICHEVER. We gotta build a wall around Kotaku so their pornography postings don't spread to other blogs. :doge

Because it will be spread around and generate a fuckton of clicks when he posts and article again? No such thing as bad publicity.

I don't see how his pity postings will change peoples opinions. Hell, even he himself has resigned to that in that thread. So... like I said, I don't see how being paid to waste him time doing that instead of posting about FF7 hentai is productive for the death throes of Gawker.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24742 on: August 19, 2016, 01:31:03 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=214194279&postcount=577

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24743 on: August 19, 2016, 01:40:42 AM »
So glad I exited Final Fantasy with X, utter garbage since


12 was the best in the series though. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? :confused :confused

(In before Walrus' irrational hate of 12 because he's a weeaboo)
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Whoa there. Walrus might be a guy who plays guitar at a party but even I have to agree with him there. Don't gotta be a weeaboo to see that the only cool things in FFXII were the hunts, Balthier the Judge armors and nothing else.
Yup, 12 was straight garbage with some decent parts in a great world but mostly garbage.  I avoid talking about the game though because superfans.

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« Reply #24744 on: August 19, 2016, 02:03:19 AM »
I hope the main thing we can all agree on is FFXII's soundtrack is awful. Definitely the worst 3D Final Fantasy soundtrack and maybe the worst soundtrack for a high budget JRPG game.

Also, the worst upgrade pathing possible for a RPG. Yeah yeah the Zodiac version has pre-defined class boards, but the majority of people played the version where not using a guide meant getting the ability to use spears when you really wanted a dagger.

Summon system was also fucking weird and getting summons meant getting a fuck ton of MP for some reason.
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Rahxephon91

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« Reply #24745 on: August 19, 2016, 02:05:54 AM »
Nope.

Also my problem with the License Board is mid way through the game you've mostly unlocked everything important and everybody is the same.

mormapope

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« Reply #24746 on: August 19, 2016, 02:15:25 AM »
The thing I want to blast while I battle monsters is definitely this:


My heart starts to slow down while I have my gambits set so I can get a 99 link chain of only killing wolves to get gil and.... :zzz

Shit, I want better weapons so I can hunt shit better, need to grind for license points to get a... :zzz

I realized the biggest issue with FFXII, it was an attempt of having the same depth and logic of a SRPG while having the mechanics of an MMO. Quite possibly the worst combination possible chemistry wise.
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« Reply #24747 on: August 19, 2016, 02:19:28 AM »
 :donot


I feel i need to cleanse this thread with good battle music






Bebpo

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« Reply #24748 on: August 19, 2016, 04:54:21 AM »
I hope the main thing we can all agree on is FFXII's soundtrack is awful. Definitely the worst 3D Final Fantasy soundtrack and maybe the worst soundtrack for a high budget JRPG game.

Also, the worst upgrade pathing possible for a RPG. Yeah yeah the Zodiac version has pre-defined class boards, but the majority of people played the version where not using a guide meant getting the ability to use spears when you really wanted a dagger.

Summon system was also fucking weird and getting summons meant getting a fuck ton of MP for some reason.

The music was good for the game, but it's not the kind of music I'd listen to outside of the game as it's not melodic.  But the towns and fields had nice tunes, there was some good battle music and the opening FF theme mix is probably the best version of the crystal theme yet.

Upgrade path was cool except that everyone is exactly the same, yeah.  So you had to go out of your way to make the characters different but by the end they all ended up the same character.  Summons were kinda cool.  I liked the combat and gambits a lot, story was awesome for like half of it and then it goes nowhere and falls apart.

At the end of the day here's the deal:

FFXII (started in 2001) was a development fucking mess, Matsuno eye cancer, unfinished game pulled together at the end by staff not initially involved giving a mish mash unfinished feel to everything.
FFXIII was a mess of a game but actually out of the last 15 years of FF this is the only game development that went smooth and they cranked the whole thing together into a mostly polished graphical edge pushing title in a 3 year development period.  But conceptually and story-wise the game was a mess and then the whole FFXIII-2, LR trilogy was a mess of throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks with sinking budgets
FFXIV was a development mess so bad they had to remake the entire fucking game again
FFXV is a development mess that's taken 10 years of on/off development and at least 3 years of major development only to still be consistently changing based on feedback with no core idea of what they are making

So since 2001, there's been 15 years of every FF title being a fucking mess.  I don't think there's any other franchise in history in any format of media that's had 15 years of non-stop we can't do a single product right even with all the money and time in the world.

It's a clusterfuck and I don't see how it's gonna change unless the change is SE goes out of business.  At least Kingdom Hearts with the Osaka team seems to be going much smoother with their development pipeline (BBS -> 3DS -> III in probably late 2017).  The sad thing is that even if the KH Osaka team was given an FF game (say XVI or XVII) after KHIII, it'd still probably be a fuckup as it seems like what's been killing FF for 15 years is less the lack of talent and more the Warner Bros DC problem of the studio consistently interfering with the product because so much is riding on each mainline FF and the ship is sinking and every exec thinks they know how to correct it.  If they just let the developers make a fucking FF game in 3 years on their own, it might not be great or save the franchise, but it would probably be better than all these disasters.

Or they fire everyone in the whole company except Nomura and Nojima and let them hire people and run the studio.  In the last 15 years of SE, almost every single product released from the Square side that Nomura wasn't involved in has been a disaster outside maybe Bravely Default but that's debatable with the 2nd half and all that, whereas TWEWY, Crisis Core, Dissidia, KH BBS and KH 3DS all turned out fine.  I don't think anyone can comment on Versus without knowing wtf happened behind the scenes, which I doubt we ever will know.

The other option is take the FFXIV team that made the GOOD version, and give them 3 years to make an offline MMO-ish SP mainline FF and don't studio interfere.  That'd probably churn out a decent FFIXish title.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24749 on: August 19, 2016, 05:13:29 AM »

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« Reply #24750 on: August 19, 2016, 05:16:09 AM »
Trump: WHICHEVER. We gotta build a wall around Kotaku so their pornography postings don't spread to other blogs. :doge

Because it will be spread around and generate a fuckton of clicks when he posts and article again? No such thing as bad publicity.

I don't see how his pity postings will change peoples opinions. Hell, even he himself has resigned to that in that thread. So... like I said, I don't see how being paid to waste him time doing that instead of posting about FF7 hentai is productive for the death throes of Gawker.

He was the prime example of writer who continued to hide behind "I'm a blogger for a video game site guys" for too long when he'd write some hack piece, got reamed for it, then eventually started to take his job seriously. He became a decent games journalist along the way, but he was prime Gawker material for most of his career. I find it hard to give too much of a shit now that's trying to go down with the ship while whinging on about how the evil rich person is shutting down his freedoms of speech by suing the rich person who pays his check. If he truly gave a shit about freedom of the press, he wouldn't be in an industry that is entirely beholden to corporate appeasement and marketing embargoes. Slipping into old habits on the way out the door isn't a good look for somebody who is trying to style themselves an actual journalist.

benjipwns

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24751 on: August 19, 2016, 05:22:38 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1266030

for a second considered this was actually about a GAFer who couldn't figure out how to jump off the ground

nudemacusers

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24752 on: August 19, 2016, 05:48:24 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1266030

for a second considered this was actually about a GAFer who couldn't figure out how to jump off the ground
*reads title* wow gaf is full of white people

*reads op* wow gaf is full of white people





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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24753 on: August 19, 2016, 06:08:23 AM »
People are so weak nowadays. Want to kill yourself cause you got a little debt while living in a first world country.
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nudemacusers

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« Reply #24754 on: August 19, 2016, 06:14:35 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=214203693&postcount=225

is this some anime shit? please tell me this isn't anime shit on top of an already shit thread. pls
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24755 on: August 19, 2016, 06:53:48 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=214203693&postcount=225

is this some anime shit? please tell me this isn't anime shit on top of an already shit thread. pls
Looks like DeviantArt shit.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24756 on: August 19, 2016, 07:53:45 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1266030

for a second considered this was actually about a GAFer who couldn't figure out how to jump off the ground

I know they listed a suicide line in the post, but is locking the thread really the best thing to do here?

Also judging by his post history, he ain't jumping-- the Bleach manga hasn't ended yet.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24757 on: August 19, 2016, 07:55:32 AM »
I think they do it to stop people from posting these threads.

thisismyusername

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24758 on: August 19, 2016, 08:46:22 AM »
So glad I exited Final Fantasy with X, utter garbage since


12 was the best in the series though. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? :confused :confused

(In before Walrus' irrational hate of 12 because he's a weeaboo)
:donot
Whoa there. Walrus might be a guy who plays guitar at a party but even I have to agree with him there. Don't gotta be a weeaboo to see that the only cool things in FFXII were the hunts, Balthier the Judge armors and nothing else.
Yup, 12 was straight garbage with some decent parts in a great world but mostly garbage.  I avoid talking about the game though because superfans.

Weeaboo (like seriously, have I ever seen you play a western game? :p) detected. ::) :doge 12 is vastly superior to HA HA HA Fantasy 10. Don't even lie.

I mean if we're going to be flippant and pull a Ronito: FF10 only has Auron and that's it.

Also, the worst upgrade pathing possible for a RPG. Yeah yeah the Zodiac version has pre-defined class boards, but the majority of people played the version where not using a guide meant getting the ability to use spears when you really wanted a dagger.

Summon system was also fucking weird and getting summons meant getting a fuck ton of MP for some reason.

Yeah, there's some fundamental issues with vanilla FF12. But International really fixed a lot of the problems. The summons are still pretty shitty from what I remember of International (waiting for the re-release to play through again) but if you can't admit there's vastly better systems for JRPGs to take away from it in regards to giving JRPG's a shot in the arm that they need for the market now a days... I dunno what to tell you.

I hope the main thing we can all agree on is FFXII's soundtrack is awful. Definitely the worst 3D Final Fantasy soundtrack and maybe the worst soundtrack for a high budget JRPG game.

Also, the worst upgrade pathing possible for a RPG. Yeah yeah the Zodiac version has pre-defined class boards, but the majority of people played the version where not using a guide meant getting the ability to use spears when you really wanted a dagger.

Summon system was also fucking weird and getting summons meant getting a fuck ton of MP for some reason.

The music was good for the game, but it's not the kind of music I'd listen to outside of the game as it's not melodic.  But the towns and fields had nice tunes, there was some good battle music and the opening FF theme mix is probably the best version of the crystal theme yet.

Upgrade path was cool except that everyone is exactly the same, yeah.  So you had to go out of your way to make the characters different but by the end they all ended up the same character.  Summons were kinda cool.  I liked the combat and gambits a lot, story was awesome for like half of it and then it goes nowhere and falls apart.

At the end of the day here's the deal:

FFXII (started in 2001) was a development fucking mess, Matsuno eye cancer, unfinished game pulled together at the end by staff not initially involved giving a mish mash unfinished feel to everything.
FFXIII was a mess of a game but actually out of the last 15 years of FF this is the only game development that went smooth and they cranked the whole thing together into a mostly polished graphical edge pushing title in a 3 year development period.  But conceptually and story-wise the game was a mess and then the whole FFXIII-2, LR trilogy was a mess of throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks with sinking budgets
FFXIV was a development mess so bad they had to remake the entire fucking game again
FFXV is a development mess that's taken 10 years of on/off development and at least 3 years of major development only to still be consistently changing based on feedback with no core idea of what they are making

So since 2001, there's been 15 years of every FF title being a fucking mess.  I don't think there's any other franchise in history in any format of media that's had 15 years of non-stop we can't do a single product right even with all the money and time in the world.

It's a clusterfuck and I don't see how it's gonna change unless the change is SE goes out of business.  At least Kingdom Hearts with the Osaka team seems to be going much smoother with their development pipeline (BBS -> 3DS -> III in probably late 2017).  The sad thing is that even if the KH Osaka team was given an FF game (say XVI or XVII) after KHIII, it'd still probably be a fuckup as it seems like what's been killing FF for 15 years is less the lack of talent and more the Warner Bros DC problem of the studio consistently interfering with the product because so much is riding on each mainline FF and the ship is sinking and every exec thinks they know how to correct it.  If they just let the developers make a fucking FF game in 3 years on their own, it might not be great or save the franchise, but it would probably be better than all these disasters.

Or they fire everyone in the whole company except Nomura and Nojima and let them hire people and run the studio.  In the last 15 years of SE, almost every single product released from the Square side that Nomura wasn't involved in has been a disaster outside maybe Bravely Default but that's debatable with the 2nd half and all that, whereas TWEWY, Crisis Core, Dissidia, KH BBS and KH 3DS all turned out fine.  I don't think anyone can comment on Versus without knowing wtf happened behind the scenes, which I doubt we ever will know.

The other option is take the FFXIV team that made the GOOD version, and give them 3 years to make an offline MMO-ish SP mainline FF and don't studio interfere.  That'd probably churn out a decent FFIXish title.

You mean the Nomura that took 10 years(!) to make FF15 and then still couldn't release it to where Square to scramble to PS2-ize it to get it out the door? That Nomura?

I think we can all agree that since like post-1999/FF8-9 era, Square has been floundering. But Matsuno's MMO-ization of JRPG's (taking the gambit system and making it a bit more involved for those that don't want to Gambit) would be the best thing for JRPGs going forward. ATB is stale now a days and doing more menu-diving with random encounters (replaying FFX HD is really grating on me) after 12's "all encounters are in the world and if you don't want to battle, just hold R2 and run past," I can't go back to those older JRPGs and JRPGs that use random encounters. Hell playing Pokemon is trying now because of it.
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benjipwns

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24759 on: August 19, 2016, 08:53:50 AM »
I think they do it to stop people from posting these threads.
Permabans would probably be a better deterrent.

thisismyusername

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24760 on: August 19, 2016, 08:57:40 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=214203693&postcount=225

is this some anime shit? please tell me this isn't anime shit on top of an already shit thread. pls

:donot :wtf

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24761 on: August 19, 2016, 09:17:38 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1266030

for a second considered this was actually about a GAFer who couldn't figure out how to jump off the ground

I know they listed a suicide line in the post, but is locking the thread really the best thing to do here?

Also judging by his post history, he ain't jumping-- the Bleach manga hasn't ended yet.

ummmm, about that...

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24762 on: August 19, 2016, 09:33:20 AM »
I think we can all agree that since like post-1999/FF8-9 era, Square has been floundering. But Matsuno's MMO-ization of JRPG's (taking the gambit system and making it a bit more involved for those that don't want to Gambit) would be the best thing for JRPGs going forward. ATB is stale now a days and doing more menu-diving with random encounters (replaying FFX HD is really grating on me) after 12's "all encounters are in the world and if you don't want to battle, just hold R2 and run past," I can't go back to those older JRPGs and JRPGs that use random encounters. Hell playing Pokemon is trying now because of it.

It's annoying when people say that "this is the way so and so has to be going forward" - part of what makes Japanese RPGs so great is their diversity in gameplay styles and battle systems. Having them all adhere to one specific thing (the FFXII system, which I personally didn't like) would be totally counterproductive to this.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24763 on: August 19, 2016, 09:35:30 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1266030

for a second considered this was actually about a GAFer who couldn't figure out how to jump off the ground

I know they listed a suicide line in the post, but is locking the thread really the best thing to do here?

Also judging by his post history, he ain't jumping-- the Bleach manga hasn't ended yet.

ummmm, about that...

Oh.

Oh shit.   :(
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24764 on: August 19, 2016, 10:07:23 AM »
bleach smh

read one piece like a normal person

The cure for all suicidal tendencies
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24766 on: August 19, 2016, 10:29:46 AM »
I think they do it to stop people from posting these threads.
Permabans would probably be a better deterrent.
So to discourage posters from murdering their physical bodies you want to execute their virtual selves?  I don't think the State (Tyler Malka) should have the right to destroy digital lives like that.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

bork

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24767 on: August 19, 2016, 10:38:01 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1265268&page=15

I guess GAF has moved on from NMS to being massively disappointed in Titanfall 2?  :lol
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24768 on: August 19, 2016, 10:48:31 AM »
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=214229262
Poor Sean, he was just a naive, wide-eyed dreamer, he wasn't ready to be thrust into the limelight. Next time he'll know better than to share development progress with cretin consumers. :doge

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24769 on: August 19, 2016, 10:56:54 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1265268&page=15

I guess GAF has moved on from NMS to being massively disappointed in Titanfall 2?  :lol

Titanfall 2 does look a lot slower paced and less exciting than Titanfall 1. What made the first game excellent was the insane sense of speed and mobility combined with great maps. With the speed boost package thing and a SMG, you would constantly be murdering AI and players, never stopping and always being reactive.

Titanfall 2 looks like a by the books sequel with less interesting stuff at play.

OH!

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24770 on: August 19, 2016, 11:13:25 AM »
People are so weak nowadays. Want to kill yourself cause you got a little debt while living in a first world country.


It's never one thing with suicide. It's a multitude of things and usually the ones that hurt the most are the ones they don't want to admit to. So, it's easier just to blame debt, bullying, a broken heart or loneliness.




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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24771 on: August 19, 2016, 11:13:31 AM »
:donot


I feel i need to cleanse this thread with good battle music






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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24772 on: August 19, 2016, 11:17:58 AM »
Swerve: All FinFan games are dumb shit

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24773 on: August 19, 2016, 11:59:41 AM »
People are so weak nowadays. Want to kill yourself cause you got a little debt while living in a first world country.


It's never one thing with suicide. It's a multitude of things and usually the ones that hurt the most are the ones they don't want to admit to. So, it's easier just to blame debt, bullying, a broken heart or loneliness.

thats so sad :(

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24774 on: August 19, 2016, 12:00:49 PM »
FF12 and 13 were good games and 15 will probably be good as well.  :smug

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24775 on: August 19, 2016, 12:06:57 PM »
FF12 and 13 were good games and 15 will probably be good as well.  :smug
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24776 on: August 19, 2016, 12:13:10 PM »
FF12 and 13 were good games and 15 will probably be good as well.  :smug
The most correct post yet.

Either way I just like Final Fantasy and none of the games have let me down at this point.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24777 on: August 19, 2016, 12:17:01 PM »
When you get past the 20 hour slog of absolute turd, the gameplay revolving around doing hunting/marks and maxing your crew out is really enjoyable. Did I have fun with FFXIII? Yeah. Would I say its good or recommend it to anyone? Absolutely not.

There's no charm, humor, intelligence, or a fucking thimble of grace in those first 20 hours of FFXIII. Lightning is a cold and boring cunt, Snow is a bumbling dumbass, Hope is a whiny bitch, Vanille has the most annoying voice and inflection possible, Fang is Australian mate, and Sazh is actually bearable and has a decent personality.

Its like the team behind FFXIII were trying to create the worst cast possible for a Final Fantasy game.
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OH!

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #24779 on: August 19, 2016, 12:22:14 PM »
When you get past the 20 hour slog of absolute turd, the gameplay revolving around doing hunting/marks and maxing your crew out is really enjoyable. Did I have fun with FFXIII? Yeah. Would I say its good or recommend it to anyone? Absolutely not.

There's no charm, humor, intelligence, or a fucking thimble of grace in those first 20 hours of FFXIII. Lightning is a cold and boring cunt, Snow is a bumbling dumbass, Hope is a whiny bitch, Vanille has the most annoying voice and inflection possible, Fang is Australian mate, and Sazh is actually bearable and has a decent personality.

if you punch yourself in the balls for 20 hours just pinching them will fee alright too