VOAT Containment Megathread of Trash People for Trash People

[agrajag]

I will say this. A lot of the same peoplr that constantly shit on Christianity act like Islam is off limits and get triggered by any criticism of it. And this doesn't just haplen on GAF, but with a lot of liberals in general.

[agrajag]

I will say this. A lot of the same peoplr that constantly shit on Christianity act like Islam is off limits and get triggered by any criticism of it. And this doesn't just haplen on GAF, but with a lot of liberals in general.

Please.

If I had a penny for every liberal who assumed I was sexist because I'm a saudi man I'd be a very rich man.

Well, it seems like we are going in circles. Just like Himuro, I can say "I said a lot, not all, you can't read for shit!"

I think what both I said and what you said can be true.

[Cindi Mayweather]

So you agree that you can't read for shit because I clearly said "a lot" not "all"?

The problem is we don't know what Ronito is even referring to. Is he talking about the thread where dude cuts out his alt right friend for not liking Muslims? I don't know. I can only assume. So I went with that because his post was a shit post.

Except for the fact that just after that you talked about "anti-Islamists" as if they're bigots and mentioned Maher who, like many atheists, has always had a problem with Islam and its followers because of what the religion represents not because he doesn't like brown people which has always been clear as day.

Errrr...a lot of assuming here.

The context was within the alt right. Alt right's criticisms of Islam goes beyond criticism. The reason I brought up the alt right to begin with was a thread on gaf. Seemed to me that Ronito assumed that an alt right supporter who doesn't like Islam should be accepted because it's criticism and criticism is warranted. I didn't know wtf he was referring to.

Criticism towards Islam is both legitimate and also illegitimate. Not all criticism for Islam is equal. Anti-Islamists aren't necessarily racist or even bigots. But I do feel that certain critics of Islam like Maher and Harris definitely are racist in their critcisim. Not always, but a lot of the time. I argue this because of times like when the kid Ahmed was arrested for bringing the clock and Maher justified having the kid arrested because he brought a clock to school. Maher wraps his argument in being hard on Islam, but ignores a racial component that exists. When called out in, he says it's not about race.

It isn't that criticism towards Islam means you're a bigot or a racist, but there's definitely a segment of Islam critics who definitely apply broad strokes such as Christolher Hitchens with a racist aspect to their argument.

This entire page you have done assumption after assumption both to wrath and me. What is this about? What are you even arguing?

You think that I think all criticism towards Islam is racist? Do you even know who I am? Do you not realize that I am also an atheist that is critical of Islam? I have waxed over anti-semitism in Islam more than once over the years. But you wouldn't know because you're starting meaningless fights over shit you who knows what. You just decided to jump into this thread in the middle of a conversation with people who have been talking to each other for 10-ish years. What are you even arguing?

[zepblackstar]

at least Gaffers haven't changed their avatars to safety pins

Fuck that virtue signalling.

[Cindi Mayweather]

So you agree that you can't read for shit because I clearly said "a lot" not "all"?

The problem is we don't know what Ronito is even referring to. Is he talking about the thread where dude cuts out his alt right friend for not liking Muslims? I don't know. I can only assume. So I went with that because his post was a shit post.

Nah, that dude was right. It was the rest of the thread though. I doubt some of those people were actually dealing with alt-righters, probably some people who don't like Islam but aren't like "let's round them all up" there's no point in dealing with racists. Just a lot of them reminded me of when I was growing up and thought that anyone who drank alcohol must have been a raging alcoholic. Seeing a lot of that kind of thinking. Sure there are some racists but everyone? Of course, if could be the painkillers talking too.

I agree that liberals generally act like criticism towards Islam is off limits. Thinking all critics of Islam are racist makes no sense. The problem is that the discussion is often binary without facts. For example, anti-Islamists tend to shit on Islam regularly as an inherently violent religion when they aren't really affected by it in the day to day and they also forget that it's other Muslims who are affected the most by Islamic terrorism. On the other hand you've got people who think Islam shouldn't be criticized at all, which is ridiculous to ask for.

I think liberals tend to defend Islam like that because of the holocaust. I can't speak for others but I know that I don't want the entire religion to be treated as universally bad, because we've seen that before what happens when this is applied to an entire religion.

[etiolate]

I don't think they forget that the extremism hurts Muslims the most. I think they can't even get to that point over all the racism accusations. However, we're generalizing back and forth.

The issue is that too many on the left protect Islam from critical discussion. You can discern the good talk from the bad talk, but if you don't discern then the bad talk wins out. By good talk, I mean actual criticism of the ideology. Bad talk is mass generalizations and ignorance.  I don't think this being an issue is debatable when you have people like Maajid Nawaz listd as anti-islamic extremists by the SPLC. That sort of useless politicizing doesn't help anyone.

[Cindi Mayweather]

Another reason liberals protect Islam is because most of them are in the west. Over here, Christianity reigns. So it's not really a surprise people are more critical towards Christians than Muslims. Muslims don't really affect us in our society in terms of law. Pretty hard to get mad about Muslims when some Christian shithead wants to make it harder for women to get healthcare on the premise that it's morally right or want bible school stories in our goddamn text books. A lot of American's haven't even met a Muslim. And if they have they probably only know one or two.

Never mind that there's plenty of "liberal" minded people like redditors or people in France who love to criticize Islam regularly. So it's like, which liberals?

The problem is that with Islam a lot of times the good talk crosses with the bad talk. That's how you get someone like Christopher Hitchens or Ayaan Hirsi Ali making legitimate criticisms while also making very broad strokes.

[agrajag]

they don't forget at all, at least not Sam Harris

[agrajag]

Another reason liberals protect Islam is because most of them are in the west. Over here, Christianity reigns. So it's not really a surprise people are more critical towards Christians than Muslims. Muslims don't really affect us in our society in terms of law. Pretty hard to get mad about Muslims when some Christian shithead wants to make it harder for women to get healthcare on the premise that it's morally right or want bible school stories in our goddamn text books. A lot of American's haven't even met a Muslim. And if they have they probably only know one or two.

Never mind that there's plenty of "liberal" minded people like redditors or people in France who love to criticize Islam regularly. So it's like, which liberals?

I can only speak for myself, but that makes sense to me. When I was in my late teens/early 20's I was an ardent atheist. I spent a lot of time on various atheist forums and groups. Much of it was spent arguing with Christian trolls. Myself and many other atheists pretty much focused all our efforts against Christianity, because that's what affected us in our day to day lives. Not only legislature that was based on religion, but personal confrontations in the day to day.

People in Europe interact with Muslim immigrants a lot more than in US, so I can't agree with your last line.

[Cindi Mayweather]

Exactly. It's easy to rationalize away that hey not all Muslims are can't be that bad because they're such a foreign concept to you. In my life, I am acquainted with maybe 10 or so Muslims. But I know hundreds of Christians. You can point at Muslim terrorist attacks but over here in the good ol US of A it's Christians who have done the most  blood shed by terrorism. Why in the world would anyone be as critical of people who are half a world away when we have a history of men in white hoods justifying bigotry by burning crosses? Trump just rose to prominence with the support of evangelical Christian's supporting him but you want us to be equally critical of Islam? Fucking ROFL.

It's not fair, but it should be certainly understandable why it exists. I doubt people over there in Muslim majority countries give half a crap about Christianity as we do. Same deal.

Weren't you guys the ones who were critical of liberals existing in a bubble? But somehow for some reason you can't recognize when there is a cultural bubble on American's? Or does this bubble exist only when it fits your agenda?

[Cindi Mayweather]

they don't forget at all, at least not Sam Harris

http://www.salon.com/2015/12/09/siding_with_christian_fanatics_like_ben_carson_over_noam_chomsky_sam_harris_exposes_inherent_conservatism_of_new_atheism/

Fuck Sam Harris. He's one of those people I'm talking about whose criticism of Islam goes way beyond mere criticism.

[helios]

Free Creepy Stalker

[StealthFan]

This thread 

[I'm a Puppy!]

Trump's America.

[agrajag]

Alright, time to rate FF games.

FF VI >>>>>>>>>

[zomgee]

Islam > FFXV

[agrajag]

Ifrit > Sheva

Phoenix >>>

[Freyj]

Completely anecdotal, but only guy I know who regularly mentions Sam Harris gets about a half step away from mentioning the Illuminati whenever police violence, voter suppression, etc. is discussed around him.

[benjipwns]

When people say Muslims, they mean arab people in general. I've been called muslim countless times while I've been farthest from the fact.

It's kinda like how Jewish means religion and race, it's like that for most people. Liberal or Conservative, people always assume I'm a muslim from how I look or how weird my name sounds to them.

Wow, this "denial" was suspiciously quick...

Why won't Wrath say Radical Islam?

[clothedmacuser]

What's with people respecting racists and not the awful "liberal moderate."

I have more respect for a Trump voter with no pretenses than a self-proclaimed moderate/liberal who wants to blame their loss on not putting up with bigotry. If Clinton had won these people would not be wagging their fingers at minorities for not being nice enough, especially since they were right there with us calling Trump supporters everything (but bigoted of course) during the entire cycle.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=224371212#post224371212

Who is he even talking about?

[Cindi Mayweather]

What's with people respecting racists and not the awful "liberal moderate."

I have more respect for a Trump voter with no pretenses than a self-proclaimed moderate/liberal who wants to blame their loss on not putting up with bigotry. If Clinton had won these people would not be wagging their fingers at minorities for not being nice enough, especially since they were right there with us calling Trump supporters everything (but bigoted of course) during the entire cycle.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=224371212#post224371212

Who is he even talking about?

He explained in the post. Racists will let their views known. You know what you're gonna get. But a white moderate who acts like an ally makes up a lot of society. It goes back to the MLK quote. Malcolm X spoke on it as well.

[Joe Molotov]

Islamic terrorism is not radical, it's bogus. 

[agrajag]

My take away, is that it is absolutely beyond critical that the Dems take back control of the government. Appeals of "why can't Trump voters just be decent, empathetic people?" miss the point, which is that their definition of "decency" and ours are totally different. As we yell at them to open their eyes they're doing the same thing to us. It's like console wars on a geopolitical scale.

Except on NeoGAF we have moderation that can step in to quell or redirect vitriol from either side. The only analog to moderation that exists for the country are the branches of government. We can't rely on time and the internet (especially not the internet as it is now) to gradually bleed away the ignorance. For every person that escapes that echo chamber, many more are indoctrinated in it, and that's another generation lost.

Except on NeoGAF we have moderation that can step in to quell or redirect vitriol from either side. The only analog to moderation that exists for the country are the branches of government.

[benjipwns]

My take away, is that it is absolutely beyond critical that the Dems take back control of the government.

And yet these kind of pro-Trump apologists refuse to start the civil war we desperately need to ensure that is the case permanently.

And they claim to be on our side. I'm tired of this coddling of the voters. They voted wrong, that should be fixed and there should be severe consequences for them.

[stufte]

[benjipwns]

Here's the list of organizations John Oliver suggested to donate or subscribe to on his show.

Women's Health - https://www.plannedparenthood.org/
Women's Reproductive Rights - https://www.reproductiverights.org/
Climate Change - https://www.nrdc.org/
Refugee Assistance - http://www.refugeerights.org/
Racial Justice - http://www.naacpldf.org/
LGBT Rights - http://www.thetrevorproject.org/
Latino Rights - http://www.maldef.org/

Washington Post - https://www.washingtonpost.com/
New York Times - http://www.nytimes.com
Pro Publica - https://www.propublica.org/

two of these things are not like the other, two of these things are multi-billion dollar real estate companies that also publish newspapers that are not the same

[Cindi Mayweather]

what a bunch of dumbasses. yes, let's not let obama help the man who has no idea what he's doing. fucking partisan jackasses.

Fuck poligaf. drain that swamp.

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1313475

Yeah. I hate weapons, but after Trump winning and seeing his cabinet picks, I fear rights are going to be flown out the window for a lot of folks. Being gay I'm really quite petrified right now.

Depending what happens in the next 6 months, they may be necessary.

Not going to lie, the minute I am flush again I will be getting a handgun and then eventually a shotgun.

My fucking god. Your all turning into Republicans.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1313964

"Let's meet them halfway, guys!"

Seriously, what a terrible thought process. This is why Republicans are completely dominating elections.

You say "Donald, you're being impeached"

What's there to even talk about? How do you talk to a flat Earther? How do you talk to someone who doesn't want to believe systemic racism exists? Some things can't be talked about with some people, why bother?

You don't. You vote them out. 46.9% of you didn't

You don't. There is no compromise to be had here. You do whatever it takes to win and drag them kicking and screaming into a better world.

You know it fucking incredible that after 8 years of Tea Party politics, Breitbart conspiracy theories, rampant obstructionism, and a complete unwillingness to give even an inch that people think the winning solution is for liberals to be nice.

You don't.

Once FEMA budgets are cut, these fuckers are on their own.

You can't.

They dont care about facts and corporations spend tons of money to make sure they never will.

There is nothing to talk about. Its like talking to someone who denies evolution. If they reject the premise that your starting from, then there is no reasonable discussion to be had.

i can feel the winning already

[benjipwns]

Left 4 Dead games take place in Georgia, right?

Bits of L4D2 possibly, but bits of both games are definitely in the country side.

Just ignore that 80% of the games non-DLC missions are set in cities. And 2 culminates in downtown New Orleans.

[benjipwns]

shame i'm banned or i'd post "the outer boroughs of GTA IV"

[benjipwns]

well at least somebody posted The Oregon Trail

also somebody posted this:

If I understand "rural America" right, I'd say Final Fantasy XV

[Let's Cyber]

Here's the list of organizations John Oliver suggested to donate or subscribe to on his show.

Women's Health - https://www.plannedparenthood.org/
Women's Reproductive Rights - https://www.reproductiverights.org/
Climate Change - https://www.nrdc.org/
Refugee Assistance - http://www.refugeerights.org/
Racial Justice - http://www.naacpldf.org/
LGBT Rights - http://www.thetrevorproject.org/
Latino Rights - http://www.maldef.org/

Washington Post - https://www.washingtonpost.com/
New York Times - http://www.nytimes.com
Pro Publica - https://www.propublica.org/

two of these things are not like the other, two of these things are multi-billion dollar real estate companies that also publish newspapers that are not the same

I donated $100 to each of Trump's most hated enemies, Mark Cuban and Rosie O'Donnell

I'm doing my part.

[benjipwns]

If you told me Rosie needed it, I wouldn't Google to FAT CHECK the claim.

[benjipwns]

EVERYTHING IS GOING SWIMMINGLY

yep. the media is gonna have to work overtime. I hope the Times and Post get more subscriptions because we need them more than ever.

Subbed to NYT and Washington Post. They better not let me down like completely glossing over Bannon today.

I'm a paying member of the WaPo and NYT, but if they're not going to call a spade a spade, then they're literally worthless.

STOP CALLING THEM THE "ALT RIGHT." START CALLING THEM WHITE SUPREMACISTS. THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE.

If media don't start doing this very soon, I'm going to start complaining. Loudly.

Hey guys, sorry if I missed lengthy discussions post-election. But how do we mobilize all of us to make change? I know I'm not the most vocal participant here. But surely we can transform this place from poli sci version of gamer-gaf to an actual forum for action. Memes and articles and general "what the fuck are they doing?!?!" Is fun. But how do we mobilize ourselves to eliminate this cheeto turd sandwich

I'm taking a week away from politics, hopefully by then a certain subset of posters will get the stick out of their ass that this election was mostly Clinton's fault

The fact that John Oliver's newest video has 31k likes and 7k dislikes, along with the hateful comments, signal to me that after the rise of the alt-right, we might have to contend with the rise of the far left.

There is no such thing as the alt-left. There's just a bunch of "we are the left" dorks who've glommed onto corporate freaks and then there's the rest.

Jacobinmag says hi.

People who didn't vote Clinton and expected everyone else to beat Trump for them should not get a seat at the table. They showed they cannot be trusted.

Also:

Amir0x hasn't tweeted since the election last week. I'm a bit worried now.

[Stro]

Speaking of Amir0x, in May, he was arrested for walking down the middle of a highway, high out of his gourd, with hypodermic needles sticking out of his pants. If that's how he was handling life at a time when people were still confident and cocky about Hillary being the next president, how do you think he's handling Trump AND being banned from GAF at the same time?

[benjipwns]

Maybe he joined a monastery.

That one in Japan that walks all the way around a mountain.

[Cerveza mas fina]

guys dont make fun of people with serious mental issues

[VomKriege]

I can't believe Gamergate might end up leading to the end of western civilization as we know it

[Optimus]

What's with people respecting racists and not the awful "liberal moderate."

I have more respect for a Trump voter with no pretenses than a self-proclaimed moderate/liberal who wants to blame their loss on not putting up with bigotry. If Clinton had won these people would not be wagging their fingers at minorities for not being nice enough, especially since they were right there with us calling Trump supporters everything (but bigoted of course) during the entire cycle.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=224371212#post224371212

Who is he even talking about?

You tell the cult to stop fixating and spam identity politics in every fucking discussion, to stop virtue signaling, to stop acting like drama queens about even the tiniest thing someone said, to stop with their politically correct bullshit which obviously annoys normal people, to stop acting like the spoiled brats they are because they're embarrassing the left and make us all look like complete jokes and that means we tell them to accept bigotry.

Anything outside the boundaries their cult has set is "racist" and "sexist". Anyone disagreeing with the dogma is supporting bigotry. They're hopeless.

[VomKriege]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1313877&page=1

TFW when facts challenge your assumed First World moral superiority and that China and Russia might be right sometimes.

[benjipwns]

It doesn't seem right for the rest of the world to pull extra weight to make up for an uncooperative US. Perhaps the best solution is economic sanctions against countries who don't contribute to reducing emissions.

[Shuri]

Speaking of Amir0x, in May, he was arrested for walking down the middle of a highway, high out of his gourd, with hypodermic needles sticking out of his pants.

Receipts pls

[Optimus]

Speaking of Amir0x, in May, he was arrested for walking down the middle of a highway, high out of his gourd, with hypodermic needles sticking out of his pants.

Receipts pls

There's an actual article but it has his name on it and I'd rather not dox the moron so here's a screenshot with his name removed.

[zomgee]

[agrajag]

(Image removed from quote.)

How the mighty have fallen

[Cindi Mayweather]

What's with people respecting racists and not the awful "liberal moderate."

I have more respect for a Trump voter with no pretenses than a self-proclaimed moderate/liberal who wants to blame their loss on not putting up with bigotry. If Clinton had won these people would not be wagging their fingers at minorities for not being nice enough, especially since they were right there with us calling Trump supporters everything (but bigoted of course) during the entire cycle.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=224371212#post224371212

Who is he even talking about?

You tell the cult to stop fixating and spam identity politics in every fucking discussion, to stop virtue signaling, to stop acting like drama queens about even the tiniest thing someone said, to stop with their politically correct bullshit which obviously annoys normal people, to stop acting like the spoiled brats they are because they're embarrassing the left and make us all look like complete jokes and that means we tell them to accept bigotry.

Anything outside the boundaries their cult has set is "racist" and "sexist". Anyone disagreeing with the dogma is supporting bigotry. They're hopeless.

This view has existed since the 1960's and well before, dumb ass. They're not being drama queens at all.

That...is unfortunate news about ami. I don't like what you're bringing to this thread. "I won't doxx him" but you post image to site that is easily found on Google.

I don't like you.

[Dennis]

Speaking of Amir0x, in May, he was arrested for walking down the middle of a highway, high out of his gourd, with hypodermic needles sticking out of his pants.

Receipts pls

There's an actual article but it has his name on it and I'd rather not dox the moron so here's a screenshot with his name removed.

(Image removed from quote.)

Now I feel sad for Ami.

[Tasty]

Speaking of Amir0x, in May, he was arrested for walking down the middle of a highway, high out of his gourd, with hypodermic needles sticking out of his pants.

Receipts pls

There's an actual article but it has his name on it and I'd rather not dox the moron so here's a screenshot with his name removed.

(Image removed from quote.)

This is legit pretty fucked up.

[Cindi Mayweather]

I feel bad calling ami a crackhead that one time.

[nudemacusers]

The fuck

[Great Rumbler]

Here's the list of organizations John Oliver suggested to donate or subscribe to on his show.

Women's Health - https://www.plannedparenthood.org/
Women's Reproductive Rights - https://www.reproductiverights.org/
Climate Change - https://www.nrdc.org/
Refugee Assistance - http://www.refugeerights.org/
Racial Justice - http://www.naacpldf.org/
LGBT Rights - http://www.thetrevorproject.org/
Latino Rights - http://www.maldef.org/

Washington Post - https://www.washingtonpost.com/
New York Times - http://www.nytimes.com
Pro Publica - https://www.propublica.org/

two of these things are not like the other, two of these things are multi-billion dollar real estate companies that also publish newspapers that are not the same

No love for Mother Jones? John Oliver total shill confirmed.

[nudemacusers]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=221253&page=1

The above led me to this.. gaf was certainly more wild back in the day

[Rufus]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=221253&page=1

The above led me to this.. gaf was certainly more wild back in the day

Huh. I actually posted in that thread. I have no idea wtf I'm even talking about.

[agrajag]

So many gray names.

[zomgee]

I feel bad calling ami a crackhead that one time.

What about the other 12 times.

[Optimus]

What's with people respecting racists and not the awful "liberal moderate."

I have more respect for a Trump voter with no pretenses than a self-proclaimed moderate/liberal who wants to blame their loss on not putting up with bigotry. If Clinton had won these people would not be wagging their fingers at minorities for not being nice enough, especially since they were right there with us calling Trump supporters everything (but bigoted of course) during the entire cycle.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=224371212#post224371212

Who is he even talking about?

You tell the cult to stop fixating and spam identity politics in every fucking discussion, to stop virtue signaling, to stop acting like drama queens about even the tiniest thing someone said, to stop with their politically correct bullshit which obviously annoys normal people, to stop acting like the spoiled brats they are because they're embarrassing the left and make us all look like complete jokes and that means we tell them to accept bigotry.

Anything outside the boundaries their cult has set is "racist" and "sexist". Anyone disagreeing with the dogma is supporting bigotry. They're hopeless.

This view has existed since the 1960's and well before, dumb ass. They're not being drama queens at all.

That...is unfortunate news about ami. I don't like what you're bringing to this thread. "I won't doxx him" but you post image to site that is easily found on Google.

I don't like you.

Are you seriously comparing the 60's when social activists were fighting in the streets actual laws discriminating against minorities with today's social drama like manspreading, sexist air conditioning and boobs in videogames?

Like I said, hopeless.

[bork]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1314192

It's all Gamergate's fault.

[4KDennis]

If they're brown, snap their necks.

It doesn't rhyme but it's good advice.

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1314192

It's all Gamergate's fault.

The war on political correctness is 25 years old at least.
Gamergate is the last occurence of a grassroot social movement being "infiltrated" and used to help higher political motive.

Maybe read an history book instead of frying your brain on vidyagames.
 

[ToxicAdam]

It's times like these that remind me why I would never become a full-blown lefty (in America). Their eagerness to quell/ban speech at the drop of a hat is pretty scary. Many of them really don't value free speech in the same way I do.