VOAT Containment Megathread of Trash People for Trash People

[helios]

No, this takes the cake

There's another thing not usually talked about.

These people breed. They don't "have children" since having children implies 2, max. 3. They ''breed' like it's bloody 1427, and of fucking course it's hard as shit to earn money for your family when that family is two positions from a soccer team compared to what passes for a 'regular' family nowadays.

[archie4208]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1326026

It's time to play "But mine works fine so these videos can't be wrong"

Also extra shrieking because it's a Crowbcat video

Mine sounds like a jet engine while it's installing a game (although, knock on wood, it's not noticeable otherwise) and I get the scrambled screen every once in awhile.

Buying anything that uses AMD

[Shuri]

Someone needs to tell Platy that 99% of Japanese Cinema is pure unenjoyable garbage. Has Platy even seen or heard of those super awful movie adaptations of animes or mangas being produced over there? It would end up being a promotional vehicule for this week's jpop flavor, and would look like it was shot on iphones.

[nudemacusers]

lol @ gaf liberals. gonna be a great thread to bookmark when dudes whine about the lack of decent work available for their precious degrees. 

NO SYMPATHY!!11

No, this takes the cake

There's another thing not usually talked about.

These people breed. They don't "have children" since having children implies 2, max. 3. They ''breed' like it's bloody 1427, and of fucking course it's hard as shit to earn money for your family when that family is two positions from a soccer team compared to what passes for a 'regular' family nowadays.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226769882&postcount=103

I admit, I was unduly harsh on people having lots of children (mainly because I really don't like children)

no wai

[VomKriege]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=226770665

Oï they should just become webdesigners, videogame reviewers & Uber drivers instead of those cushy cancer inducing back breaking jobs. Fucking entitled babies.

EDIT :

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226771346&postcount=149

Though why exactly can't they just work retail job?

Probably not to have to hear a second time in a decade that those jobs either are not coming back because of automation ?

[etiolate]

To be fair to that guy, children are always hogging up the line to play the consoles at Gamestop. They should understand that the Sony is an adult's console.

[nudemacusers]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226771562&postcount=14

getting told to leave a thread because you're a smartphone fanthing is prob the biggest internet L. how I love stump sometimes. especially now that modbot has a snapchat shades avatar

[thisismyusername]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1326038

I really, really hate the saying 'And this is why the liberals lost!' but...this is why we lost. Maybe I'm just dumb but having empathy for people in shitty situations is like, a cornerstone of progressive thought. I don't care who they voted for

I was gonna post this there, but fuck it: I don't have mod protection (AFAIK) so I know I'd get banned for calling them out.

Do you have any idea how much money these guys make? Did they start out in coal because they had no choice? Absolutely, but underground these dudes are making $25~ an hour and he was working OT every single week. You don't get to shift blame back on your lack of choices in life when you're bringing home $80K a year in eastern Kentucky. Now he's going to go on the transplant list and ruin another pair of lungs armed with the knowledge of what's coming. Call me immature but I'm not going to absolve people of culpability in their shitty actions because they had a rough go of it. I'm not over here pretending to be Jesus, I save my tears for people who weren't given such an opportunity.

How do you know he's going to take those transplanted lungs back into the coal mine? Show me your fucking crystal ball, because I'd love to know the future. Also, yes: You're immature as fuck if you think these folks are choosing to go into coal simply because it "pays good." Do they get a "comfortable life" working overtime for their kids? Sure, but like the industrial revolution: It's at the cost of their health. These folks know it, they do it because there's nothing better in their area and 1) doesn't put them into debt [like college] and 2) only requires a high-school degree.

Yo damn...y'all going hard in here.

If by "hard" you mean "smug liberal mocking poor working classes from behind their computer screen after losing an election doing that," then yes. Ya'll are going "hard" in here.

Maybe take a drive out to "why would I want to live there</Adam Orth>"-villes sometime and realize that these "retail jobs" some of you guys are suggestion 1) pay jackshit (go look at how Walmart treats it's workers AND farmers that give them fruits/veggies AND the companies they "always low prices... ALWAYS [Walmart]!") and 2) STEM jobs aren't available in these rural places so "degree up!" isn't going to happen.

Seriously and from the bottom of my heart: Fuck each and every one of you mocking these people for getting black lung and going "OH WELL THEY DESERVE IT FOR VOTING TRUMP LOLOLOLOLOL"

I hope Stump comes in here and cleans up some of you for a four-year break. When Trump is elected a second time, maybe ya'll will look in the mirror see how shitty a personality ya'll have, and promptly change that attitude toward having empathy and sympathy and trying to help these folks even if they don't know better.

[Cindi Mayweather]

Username.

You were right.

I'm sorry bb.

[railGUN]

Getting banned from a shit-hole like GAF for a post like that isn't really so bad, if you can't post something like that for fear of getting banned, why do you want to post there to begin with?

MHWilliams basically mod sanctioned the boo hoo fuck you replies anyways.

Either we all have to be better, or none of us do.

That's a real reply.

[thisismyusername]

You got nothing to apologize for. As it is, a lot of Liberals seem to come from cities and don't understand the rural areas. It's not that hard if you spend a week there (and don't go backpacking) and actually ask these folks about their way of life and how they're managing.

There was a book... trying to think of the name...  Found it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_and_Dimed

I haven't read it personally, but this "poor working class struggling to get by so they have to choose jobs that may cause harm or be 'beneath' them by liberal standards" has been a thing for years.

why do you want to post there to begin with?

Because there's certain segments (read: the community board, mostly PC/Steam-GAF and a few game communities) that aren't bad. But I'm definitely at the point that I'm probably just going to pull an Andy or Segata and go into the night with a "fuck this shithole" attitude. I need to see about getting some of those folks onto a messaging service outside of PM's on GAF at this point.

(And actually reading the OP, it's mentioned by the article/OP that the person would go back to the coal mines with the lungs. But even then: how do you know everyone else would?)

[etiolate]

It's more than just empathy/sympathy. A STEM only future may not be all that good. It may not be worth heading towards or the only future possible. Perhaps there really is some Butlerian Jihad future we're headed towards.

Because I can see a workable future with the designers and the workers, but a designers with no place for workers is acting like the service sector can't be as easily replaced or as easily put into misery as a coal miner.

[Let's Cyber]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1326038

I really, really hate the saying 'And this is why the liberals lost!' but...this is why we lost. Maybe I'm just dumb but having empathy for people in shitty situations is like, a cornerstone of progressive thought. I don't care who they voted for

A lot of the same stuff goes on in some of the drug addiction threads.  I don't really get it.

[thisismyusername]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1326038

I really, really hate the saying 'And this is why the liberals lost!' but...this is why we lost. Maybe I'm just dumb but having empathy for people in shitty situations is like, a cornerstone of progressive thought. I don't care who they voted for

A lot of the same stuff goes on in some of the drug addiction threads.  I don't really get it.

Poor WHITE folks. So that's "thread over" for the BCT regulars with their coded reverse racism posts. For others, it's a lack of perspective and not going to these areas to understand why they're struggling and feeling like they have no future.

[Raist]

My great-grand parents moved around with literally nothing, sleeping on parks, the streets, taking shit jobs until they were able to build a life my grandparents and eventually my parents.

[Let's Cyber]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226771562&postcount=14

getting told to leave a thread because you're a smartphone fanthing is prob the biggest internet L. how I love stump sometimes. especially now that modbot has a snapchat shades avatar

Like your threats bother me. Make it a perma if you feel like banning someone. That should get you through the weekend, no?

[thisismyusername]

Yes, those great-grand-parents that didn't need a $30,000-100,000 college degree to make someones coffee in the morning and take calls! Bootstraps! Bootstraps! *jack-off emote here* GAF really has no clue about how the world works. Jesus.

[Stro]

That's one of the cuntiest threads I've ever seen on GAF, which covers a lot of ground. What miserable pieces of shit.

[daemon]

From the thread of "no empathy for people with cancer because they might be conservative" comes the post that inadvertedly finally understands what economic anxiety means.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226766045&postcount=39

But still, after quoting the economic anxiety that a person would have to do so much worktime into such unhealthy jobs, it still flies over their head.

[Huff]

Lol permed

[thisismyusername]

Lol permed

MHWilliams taking up the mantle for Bish, I'm sure. "Fuck those people because they're probably white and voted for Trump!"

[daemon]

Lol permed

Welcome to the club

[Raist]

Lol permed

Something something shitposting something" ?

[Huff]

lol jk just two weeks

although was on a perm warning before. so maybe they'll see this and fix it

[helios]

I cannot modsanction your buffoonery

[Cindi Mayweather]

This is more than gaf. Liberals have gone fucking nuts.

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1326026

It's time to play "But mine works fine so these videos can't be wrong"

Also extra shrieking because it's a Crowbcat video

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226771531&postcount=314
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226773599&postcount=345

[railGUN]

Either we all have to be better, or none of us do.

[Dennis]

too slow scroll didn't read lol

[benjipwns]

The solution is actually handouts and wealth distribution but people seem ideologically opposed to that. That is a non starter. Its off the table

So then what is the next possible solution? If the work can't come back to where you are, and you won't even accept, let alone petition for welfare, then you need to go where the work is.

Its absolutely possible, and the political willpower is there to do it. I mean, we just had a candidate who literally campaigned on taxing the wealthy to fund education initiatives and improve healthcare systems to remove massive burdens from both year to year living expenses and improve the friction that comes with trying to re-educate and these regions rejecter her pretty soundly...

And a lot of progressive people would like to make options like this basically free with infrastructure to help people who have families. Far from being "bootstraps", the argument is "here's something that might help, how can we provide it to everyone?"

Bootstraps is "you just need to put in the effort and you can make it" without accounting for all the other factors that contribute besides just "lack of effort", from lack of money, time, resources to discrimination to lack of access.

If you actively want to work to address all of those things then yes I think it is fair to say "hey we want to provide you with the resources to succeed so that all we need from you is the effort"

I'm not saying all progressives are good at this, or that all Democrat politicians run on this, but this is the general attitude of the liberal movement in the US. That people need help and deserve to get help

Which ultimately brings us back to the welfare issue. We are rapidly crossing the line where labor supply outstrips labor demand. There aren't enough good paying jobs now and there aren't going to be enough good paying jobs in the future. We are reaching a point where we just need to give people money

It's just so simple, how do the fools not see the solution being the same as always!

They've had their chance, and they voted for white supremacy. Maybe now that their lungs are black, they'll start to realize and emphasize with what it's like to just get through a normal day of being regularly murdered as a middle to upper class NeoGAF poster who also happens to be a minority.

[Stro]

Most people who say they are minorities on Gaf are people who have like... a vaguely Italian sounding last name, or their great great great grandpa was Irish, so they know what discrimination is like. Gaf is a place that think nerds are still discriminated against.

[benjipwns]

"hey we want to provide you with the resources to succeed so that all we need from you is the effort"

this sounds familiar

The socialist principle, "He who does not work shall not eat", is already realized; the other socialist principle, "An equal amount of products for an equal amount of labor", is also already realized. But this is not yet communism, and it does not yet abolish "bourgeois law", which gives unequal individuals, in return for unequal (really unequal) amounts of labor, equal amounts of products.

This is a “defect”, says Marx, but it is unavoidable in the first phase of communism; for if we are not to indulge in utopianism, we must not think that having overthrown capitalism people will at once learn to work for society without any rules of law.

edit: revision i used on gaf is better catty bitch mode

[nudemacusers]

Benji

[benjipwns]

Also to jump back to an earlier point. White pride is a huge factor holding them back. As someone from one of these areas that goes back to visit home every once in awhile I'm shocked at how stubborn people out there are.

They can't imagine taking lowly jobs like a janitor, check out clerk, lawn care etc. Many think it is below them so they just sit in the same place, jobless, complaining about immigrants etc. Sad!

[Faction]

Also to jump back to an earlier point. White pride is a huge factor holding them back. As someone from one of these areas that goes back to visit home every once in awhile I'm shocked at how stubborn people out there are.

They can't imagine taking lowly jobs like a janitor, check out clerk, lawn care etc. Many think it is below them so they just sit in the same place, jobless, complaining about immigrants etc. Sad!

And yet, as a country girl, everyone I know not in construction or farming works those jobs...even though they are white.
Those are literally all there is.

And I find it weird highly educated white gaf would also see those jobs as beneath them.

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226777237&postcount=259

That's not my experience, oddly. There's pride though, as it's been drilled into their heads for generations that government help is shameful. Any work is good work, and the more it hurts the more noble it is. 60 year old bent back old women picking field who sneak from Mexico are venerated, but the 20 year old strapping white boy who quit field work because it was too hard and went to work in town selling phones for Verizon is a 'pussy'.

Maybe being so close to the border it's different where I'm from.

Venerate them in-person, vote to deport them at the ballot.

Funny how that works.

How do you know they voted to deport them?

Please, I watch all the good comedy shows. I think I can tell.

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1326095

[benjipwns]

Everyone empathize with them, they just simply want to make a great living and to provide for their family. Meanwhile you have black men and women in the inner city going through the exact same struggle and they're demonized daily, called lazy for wanting more than some shit minimum wage job that doesn't pay them enough to take care of their family, bootstraps and other racist arguments galore.

Much of that argued by these same people I'm supposed to empathise with cause? They got black lung? Psh at least your job affords you healthcare, these $7.25 jobs do not so I'm not gonna front and say I feel so bad for these people because I don't and I won't pretend I do.

This is the root of it for me. Im supposed to empathized with these poor rural folks yet urban folks who go through the exact same thing are demonized for asking the same basic thing but more grounded in reality.

It's one thing to pity someone for being stupid and hurting themself, it's another when said person hurting themself is directly going against your own interests. Us progressives believe climate change and want federal programs to combat it too y'know, I'm not going to feel fucking sorry for the idiots fighting and voting against this, however they hurt themselves be damned.

This is really unfair. We realize this and are all for a) aid to these folks to transition them into other jobs because there are, you know, other types of energy. We want to educate them and help them with benefits and, for those who are young enough to make the transition, help them get other jobs in energy (or anywhere else).

But to accept our help, they'd have to align with black folks and gay folks, so that's out of the question for them. They have another choice; they're just rejecting that choice.

Yup. I honestly think the world would just be better off without these kinds of people, it's too late to change things and at this point they just keep teaching their kids to be just as dumb.

Also, pining for the WPA, a bold progressive vision of the future, millions of minimum wage jobs (that are often dangerous) exempt from all kinds of labor laws (like say housing all your employees in barracks) that are only for men (women shouldn't be breadwinners) to build ugly garbage the elite want!

[Jansen]

 

Sorry, I dont understand dat street talk ...

Also, I am not american, I have no idea what you mean. What you on about ?

You come across as just daft

Sad when the smart comments on GAF go down to N4G level and just 'bruh'

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226776267&postcount=401

[benjipwns]

Right now the US economy is booming

Exactly, I've got a bunch of aggregate statistics here! There's no reason for anybody to complain! Look at that Dow Jones go! Plus they can just get an education and move to the cities!

Thread needs more Tabris.

[benjipwns]

There's jobs everywhere. Pick up a newspaper sometime, hit up craigslist, whatever local job board in your area. Chances are there are opportunities everywhere. If you're expecting someone to offer an executive position out of the blue, you are deluded. But plenty of ways to make your way,

How does black men and women going through the "exact same struggle" lead you to not feel bad for these people as well? It's not a zero sum game.

The comments in this thread are a new low for this forum.

Because the black men and women are, by and large, voting to improve their condition.

There's a certain futility to the struggle of conservative working class people who keep voting to make their own world worse, let alone the world of the "others" whom conservative politicians promise to harm.

Sure, people destroying themselves through bad habits often deserve sympathy, like alcoholics or other addicts, but the decisions these people make are calculated, rational decisions and not the product of any illness. They, being of sound mind and body, not only choose to not struggle against their troubles, but *choose* to make things worse for themselves and others. It's a different thing to expect sympathy for them.

yesss

[benjipwns]

Maybe it's the fact that we voted for their best interests and they voted against ours?

yessssss

[Stro]

Dat street talk tho

[benjipwns]

Dat ... tho

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226779970&postcount=271

My husband made middle management just this month without a degree.
...but again, that was working up the ladder in manual labor jobs (climbing wind turbines) that women would most likely not be hired for.

My choices without a degree, even without a disability would be: waitress, check out clerk, farm work. That's pretty much it.

There's always the opportunity of clerical positions like photocopier, data entry, etc. Each of those would afford better pay and opportunity than what you've consigned yourself to.

"photocopier" lol what

[clothedmacuser]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226779970&postcount=271

My husband made middle management just this month without a degree.
...but again, that was working up the ladder in manual labor jobs (climbing wind turbines) that women would most likely not be hired for.

My choices without a degree, even without a disability would be: waitress, check out clerk, farm work. That's pretty much it.

There's always the opportunity of clerical positions like photocopier, data entry, etc. Each of those would afford better pay and opportunity than what you've consigned yourself to.

"photocopier" lol what

Joining the typing pool or becoming a switchboard operator is still in an option.  LOL, who are we kidding, white women voted Trump, they can go die it a ditch while their baby suckles at their shriveled breast.

[benjipwns]

The best job is staring at dials without knowing why:

Gladys Owens, the woman seated in the foreground, didn't understand the exact purpose of her job until seeing this photo in a public tour of the facility fifty years later.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

This is Oak Ridge, inside Y-12 during the Manhattan Project.

[close]

[benjipwns]

The Y-12 electromagnetic plant units were initially operated by scientists from Berkeley to remove bugs and achieve a reasonable operating rate. They were then turned over to trained Tennessee Eastman operators who had only a high school education. Nichols compared unit production data, and pointed out to physicist Ernest Lawrence that the young "hillbilly" girl operators were outproducing his PhDs. They agreed to a production race and Lawrence lost, a morale boost for the Tennessee Eastman workers and supervisors. The girls were "trained like soldiers not to reason why", while "the scientists could not refrain from time-consuming investigation of the cause of even minor fluctuations of the dials".

[Dennis]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226779970&postcount=271

My husband made middle management just this month without a degree.
...but again, that was working up the ladder in manual labor jobs (climbing wind turbines) that women would most likely not be hired for.

My choices without a degree, even without a disability would be: waitress, check out clerk, farm work. That's pretty much it.

There's always the opportunity of clerical positions like photocopier, data entry, etc. Each of those would afford better pay and opportunity than what you've consigned yourself to.

"photocopier" lol what

That thread is really something else.

[benjipwns]

this argument is probably of some peoples interests
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1325947

Real talk is Kanye West the best rapper of all time?

In terms of sales, accolades, influence, fame, etc I can't think of anyone who comes close to Kanye for how long he has been able to sustain the success that he has had. Sure he suffers from mental illness now and is a completely unstable human being, but many of his hits are timeless to many like me.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226747052&postcount=26

Jay Z is the best if that's the criteria.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226748021&postcount=76

Jay - 3 great albums and a whole lot of trash
Nas - Lmao have you listened to half of his albums?
UGK - Loads of great albums but nothing on Kanye's best
Pac - I'm crying
Tribe - There's an argument to made here for sure
PE - Not even close

There are so many terrible albums from the artists you just listed it's not even funny. Kanye's worst album defined an entire generation of hip hop.

Try again.

[nudemacusers]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226779970&postcount=271

My husband made middle management just this month without a degree.
...but again, that was working up the ladder in manual labor jobs (climbing wind turbines) that women would most likely not be hired for.

My choices without a degree, even without a disability would be: waitress, check out clerk, farm work. That's pretty much it.

There's always the opportunity of clerical positions like photocopier, data entry, etc. Each of those would afford better pay and opportunity than what you've consigned yourself to.

"photocopier" lol what

That thread is really something else.

Neogaf being a top 5 referrer to Hillary's page has made so much sense post election.

[thisismyusername]

Someone give me the context for this.

[Great Rumbler]

Telenovela?

[FStop7]

A white version of Bish needs to show up and purge that thread.

Do you really want Amirox modding again?

[Dennis]

Someone give me the context for this.

Is that Rachel Maddow?

[FStop7]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1326038

I really, really hate the saying 'And this is why the liberals lost!' but...this is why we lost. Maybe I'm just dumb but having empathy for people in shitty situations is like, a cornerstone of progressive thought. I don't care who they voted for

A lot of the same stuff goes on in some of the drug addiction threads.  I don't really get it.

GAF OT's largely overrun by basement dwelling toadies who project their misery at the bogeyman on TV and screech for the mods when their beliefs are challenged.  You have to pick and choose where to engage and where to avoid.  Threads like that are just Two Minutes Hate.

There's an 80 page thread about how hard it is to find good work.  I guess that must be different than people in rural West Virginia trying to make ends meet because reasons.

[thisismyusername]

Telenovela?

Logo is CBS(?), so it probably is a soap. But I'm more wanting to know the scene/show and what the hell is going on that makes her just go for jumping over the railing.

[benjipwns]

It's not CBS, it's Rede Globo.

[benjipwns]

The businesswoman Angela, right-hand man of the Toledo administration of the mall, nurtures a platonic passion for Henry Toledo, his best friend and coworker. Henry, however, is married to Vilma, besides being an incorrigible womanizer who collects romantic conquests, and feelings of unsuspecting girlfriend. Gradually, Angela's passion is becoming increasingly unhealthy, and to get what she wants, she gets a cold and ruthless killer, who comes to celebrate the deaths of their victims. Its end is tragic to discover that Henry would marry Celeste, the mother of a son of William, Angela rushes from the top of the Maksoud Hotel committing suicide.

[Let's Cyber]

Henry Toledo is a fantastic soap opera name