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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14520 on: February 14, 2018, 11:29:16 PM »
how many have flipped the other way since trump?

Not many.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C2MVeM2K7WgqmJw5RCQbWyTo2u73CX1pI8zw_G-7BJo/edit#gid=2144047916

In party contested races

- 38 seats have flipped from R to D.

- 5 seats have flipped from D to R.


EDIT: Fixed because I can't write.

So far we're looking at a blue Tsunami so I'd like to see what you think alot is.

Every last seat in dem hands?  :doge

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« Reply #14521 on: February 14, 2018, 11:52:50 PM »
I think if there was an Arab Spring in the alternate timeline without the Iraq War, Iraq would have been much more susceptible to it than Syria was, primarily because it was surrounded on all borders by countries hungry for the pieces. I think you're wrong vis-a-vis divisions in Syria, by the way. During the start of the civil war and for a long time before that I think Syrian politics has been unified Sunni, Christian, and Kurdish resentment against a ruling Alawite elite. There is no doubt in my mind that, before a third of the population fled or died, an overthrow of Assad by the Free Syrian Army would have resulted in a democratic government.

But in any case I don't necessarily subscribe to ousting Assad. What I want is for there to have been no arms going into Syria at all (from Russia or the US or Turkey), I would have wanted there to have been a no-fly zone (and I still haven't responded to your Susan Rice quote yet).

And I'm not advocating for anything in Syria. It's too late to do anything. The country is gone. The debate over it now is like how to stop the house from burning down even though the kids and the dog are dead. Best you can do is give Iraq some bits in the East, let Kurdistan take the parts in the North, hope Saudi Arabia stops sending radical jihadists there, etc.

I'd keep in mind the Arab Spring was not at its core really about a hunger for democracy, so much as a rebellion against food prices, largely coming from commodity speculation that drove up the cost of grains and essential food 2. Though certainly that is merely the spark and agendas got placed on top of that. In that context though, its hard to say. Iraq was already under heavy pressure due to sanctions, would the run on commodities been a tipping point for an already beaten down populace or a drop in the bucket? In the known timeline, Iraq certainly succumbed to pressures of the Arab Spring. But that is the problem with these sort of speculative things. It doesn't end, and its pretty much impossible to find agreement when you start engaging in alternative future discussions.

On Syria, I just think the solutions you are talking about(no arms into Syria) is/was incredibly escalatory. How do you respond if Russia breaks that embargo? Which they almost certainly would, and I am not an international law expert, but I am not sure America would have the standing to deny those sales? In terms of now, the thing is Turkey isn't going to let the Kurds take Turkish land. Assad and Russia aren't going to allow a loss of their borders to Iraq, and without consent, that certainly wouldn't be legal under international law anyways. Not trying to be argumentative, but just pointing out why I think this, like before, is really a problem with only a bunch of high risk, problematic solutions.
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« Reply #14522 on: February 14, 2018, 11:59:47 PM »
One thing worth mentioning is that the idea that the American people would have supported putting a substantial number of  boots on the ground in Syria in 2011 or 2012 is batshit insane.

Obama would have been crucified as the Muslim traitor he was if he came out in full throated support of starting a third open-ended, long-term military commitment and subsequent rebuilding in 2011, when like 70% of Americans, and everyone that had voted for him hated the Iraq War with the fury of a thousand suns.

Right thing, wrong thing, whatever, he never really had too much choice in the matter. It was very clear at the time that the country had no real desire to drop $1 trillion, again, on rescuing some third world shithole from itself by bombing it into the Stone Age, when the track record for such things was not so hot.

Not only that, but we(at least I find myself forgetting this often) are compartmentalizing Syria into this isolated box and discussing it, forgetting the larger geopolitical context in 2011.

There was no less than a dozen middle eastern countries facing unrest from the Arab Spring. Many of which still had unresolved conflicts along with Syria going into 2012. Including Iraq.

No one really knew for certain what was going to go on. We pretty much took a unified approach of supporting the movements, but for obvious reasons, not committing to strongly intervening in every single case.


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« Reply #14524 on: February 15, 2018, 11:35:10 AM »
yo, WHAT?
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« Reply #14525 on: February 15, 2018, 01:16:51 PM »
In practice republicans had already ended it.

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« Reply #14526 on: February 15, 2018, 01:20:31 PM »
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/14/joe-manchin-trump-immigration-plan-408981

Quit it with the purity tests, Bernie Bros. All that matters is electing somebody who has a D next to their name.


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« Reply #14527 on: February 15, 2018, 01:40:30 PM »
I’m not gonna knock Joe Manchin for being Luke warmly  pro-life in West Virginia.

He’s still a relatively reliable Democratic vote on many things. Definitely some people need to realize that in some red states, finding someone who is technically pro-life but doesn’t really care much about it, and doesn’t have any specific restrictions he wants to try to pile onto women is as good as you are going to get.

I’d say maybe we don’t want to throw pro-lifers and 20 week abortion restrictionists (like Hillary) to the top of the ticket, but if your choices are “pro lifer” that spends very little time talking about it, and somebody who stands in front of the senate screeching about Jesus and dead babies with slides of aborted fetuses, then that first one is way preferable.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14528 on: February 15, 2018, 01:50:37 PM »
So apparently Nikolas Cruz from South Florida is a white supremacist.

Did they forget to check his drivers license or something? Did he try to tell them he was Portuguese?

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14529 on: February 15, 2018, 02:12:57 PM »
So apparently Nikolas Cruz from South Florida is a white supremacist.

Did they forget to check his drivers license or something? Did he try to tell them he was Portuguese?

According to the right-wing, he was supposed to be a Dreamer and the nail in the coffin for the libtards.

....I have no real problem with Joe Manchin, just found that humorous, I do think the left is a bit misguided in how much their particular brand of right-wing pandering in red states actually benefits them, but thats another issue.

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« Reply #14530 on: February 15, 2018, 02:33:35 PM »
So apparently Nikolas Cruz from South Florida is a white supremacist.

Did they forget to check his drivers license or something? Did he try to tell them he was Portuguese?

If white supremacy had a draft and white people were the San Antonio Spurs, 2nd/3rd gen Hispanics would be that intriguing foreign big man that gets drafted in the second round, stays overseas, then joins the team and dominates when the time is right.

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« Reply #14531 on: February 15, 2018, 02:54:10 PM »
Yeah, "white people becoming a minority will end racism" sounds good until you remember how white people were going to become a minority thanks to the influx of Italians and slavs.


edit: also, there's whatever is going on here

https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/962134513341157384
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« Reply #14532 on: February 15, 2018, 03:15:15 PM »
Woke up to see a bunch of posts in here of me defending the Iraq War

What is wrong with me  :beli
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« Reply #14533 on: February 15, 2018, 03:18:58 PM »
Btw, nobody here hates you. Just wanted to throw that out there.

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« Reply #14534 on: February 15, 2018, 03:43:28 PM »
Woke up to see a bunch of posts in here of me defending the Iraq War

What is wrong with me  :beli

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« Reply #14535 on: February 15, 2018, 03:44:51 PM »
Woke up to see a bunch of posts in here of me defending the Iraq War

What is wrong with me  :beli
how about we invade some Iraq


sounds good to me


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« Reply #14536 on: February 15, 2018, 03:53:52 PM »
Yeah, "white people becoming a minority will end racism" sounds good until you remember how white people were going to become a minority thanks to the influx of Italians and slavs.


edit: also, there's whatever is going on here

https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/962134513341157384

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« Reply #14537 on: February 15, 2018, 04:16:28 PM »
Btw, nobody here hates you. Just wanted to throw that out there.
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« Reply #14538 on: February 15, 2018, 04:19:23 PM »
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« Reply #14539 on: February 15, 2018, 06:55:51 PM »

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« Reply #14540 on: February 15, 2018, 07:55:36 PM »
Woke up to see a bunch of posts in here of me defending the Iraq War

What is wrong with me  :beli

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« Reply #14541 on: February 15, 2018, 11:08:01 PM »
I used to live like ten minutes from the guy, I should really go meet him sometime and talk about Jordan Peterson or something.
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« Reply #14542 on: February 16, 2018, 12:19:21 AM »
Rick Gates flipped.

 :doge It's just a democrat scheme doe.  :doge

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« Reply #14543 on: February 16, 2018, 12:22:37 AM »
Rick Gates flipped.

 :doge It's just a democrat scheme doe.  :doge

I didn't see that, though I know it had been speculated for a while now. And the lawfare guys and girls had been speculating it since the indictments due to Gates age and family...  I did see where Bannon has apparently been meeting with Muller for an extensive amount of time.

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« Reply #14544 on: February 16, 2018, 12:26:01 AM »
Rick Gates flipped.

 :doge It's just a democrat scheme doe.  :doge

I didn't see that, though I know it had been speculated for a while now. And the lawfare guys and girls had been speculating it since the indictments due to Gates age and family...  I did see where Bannon has apparently been meeting with Muller for an extensive amount of time.

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/964277713740750854?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FCNNPolitics%2Fstatus%2F964277713740750854

It's nothing and Trump is innocent.

 :mueller

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14545 on: February 16, 2018, 12:31:26 AM »
Gates is an interesting one because his flipping technically may not indicate anything with Trump, but more solidifying the case against Manafort.

Rats and a sinking ship and all that.

Or, you know, the right-hand man to Manafort may have quite the story to tell that very potentially overlaps into things that incriminate people in the Trump campaign given he was Manafort's deputy and theoretically was intimately knowledgable of all of Manafort's business.

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« Reply #14546 on: February 16, 2018, 12:36:05 AM »
Gates is an interesting one because his flipping technically may not indicate anything with Trump, but more solidifying the case against Manafort.

Rats and a sinking ship and all that.

Or, you know, the right-hand man to Manafort may have quite the story to tell that very potentially overlaps into things that incriminate people in the Trump campaign given he was Manafort's deputy and theoretically was intimately knowledgable of all of Manafort's business.

Rick Wilson said the white house should be worried. They're going after bigger fish than just Manafort.

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« Reply #14547 on: February 16, 2018, 12:48:54 AM »
Gates is an interesting one because his flipping technically may not indicate anything with Trump, but more solidifying the case against Manafort.

Rats and a sinking ship and all that.

Or, you know, the right-hand man to Manafort may have quite the story to tell that very potentially overlaps into things that incriminate people in the Trump campaign given he was Manafort's deputy and theoretically was intimately knowledgable of all of Manafort's business.

Rick Wilson said the white house should be worried. They're going after bigger fish than just Manafort.

I mean if pushed with a gun to my head I would assume part of the deal involved people close to Trump as well, if not evidence that will move very close to Trump himself, but I think it is still good to keep the breadth of possibilities open.

There is certainly a scenario where Mueller may feel his case against Manafort is not quite strong enough, or he is hoping to put more pressure on Manafort because Gates doesn't have the goods he wants and is hoping it encourages Manafort to flip. So I don't want to completely dismiss that. But if Mueller is offering a plea deal to someone like Gates, his working history suggests it shouldn't be underplayed.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14548 on: February 16, 2018, 01:31:03 AM »
Let's dancing
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« Reply #14549 on: February 16, 2018, 02:44:59 AM »
It's no conspiracy, they just know pushing public choice theory means they'll always have a cushy job.

Listen guys this was actually a really nice burn on public choice theory and I don't want people to miss out on it.

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« Reply #14550 on: February 16, 2018, 02:54:15 AM »
public choice theory annihilated
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« Reply #14551 on: February 16, 2018, 03:08:47 AM »
I think the lack of interest in yet another cowardly Mandark smear by the highly rational consumers of The Bore instead provides strong evidence for the validity of public choice theory.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14552 on: February 16, 2018, 05:51:42 AM »
Please like for public life theory.
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« Reply #14553 on: February 16, 2018, 07:53:28 AM »
Speaking as a designer who deals with details all day, stop obsessing. Emotes are human caricatures anyways. How realistic is a floating head or a leg less torso, in the first place? Not very.
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« Reply #14554 on: February 16, 2018, 08:39:51 AM »
Rayman annihilated.

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« Reply #14555 on: February 16, 2018, 10:21:30 AM »
Mitt Romney is running for Senate in Utah. Whoever runs against him will get obliterated.
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« Reply #14556 on: February 16, 2018, 10:22:44 AM »
My ass just obliterated the toilet

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« Reply #14557 on: February 16, 2018, 11:49:32 AM »
toilet annihilated.

Etoilet keeps taking Ls ITT, damn

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« Reply #14559 on: February 16, 2018, 01:12:49 PM »
They probably gave up after the grab them by the pussy tape didn't work.

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« Reply #14560 on: February 16, 2018, 01:15:07 PM »
 :mueller :mueller :mueller :mueller :mueller

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« Reply #14561 on: February 16, 2018, 01:15:56 PM »
Hopefully in 2020 Clinton's campaign spends a lot less time chilling in Cedar Rapids.

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« Reply #14562 on: February 16, 2018, 01:20:19 PM »
Mueller has finally indicted a bunch of Russians. About 13 internet trolls.

But here's the kicker


He basically concludes the Trump people didn't know these Russians tried to collude with them.  :doge
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« Reply #14563 on: February 16, 2018, 01:25:40 PM »
Mueller has finally indicted a bunch of Russians. About 13 internet trolls.

But here's the kicker
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He basically concludes the Trump people didn't know these Russians tried to collude with them.  :doge

That's not quite right, though.  The indictment states that local and state Trump volunteers and grass-roots campaigners were the ones falling victim to the Russian propaganda.  The indictment doesn't reference the actual Trump campaign on a national level.
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« Reply #14564 on: February 16, 2018, 01:27:41 PM »
the IRA basically trolled/created division. They are getting the Mueller for posing as US citizens.

The divisive stuff goes back decades and into the USSR. One of the rumored rallies they tried to start on social media was a BLM one.

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« Reply #14565 on: February 16, 2018, 01:32:32 PM »
anything in the indictment about thehunter116? i notice he was strangely silent about this bombshell revelation i came across in the washington post comments section

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« Reply #14566 on: February 16, 2018, 01:33:32 PM »
My gawd, this trolling  :lol
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« Reply #14567 on: February 16, 2018, 01:47:00 PM »
Mueller has finally indicted a bunch of Russians. About 13 internet trolls.

But here's the kicker
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He basically concludes the Trump people didn't know these Russians tried to collude with them.  :doge

This only sort of makes sense if you ignore all of the other pieces. The Donald JR emails  very clearly says something along the lines “continued Russian government support of Donald Trumps campaign”. If Donald’s a Trump was generally aware of this, yet hid it, still a crime.

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« Reply #14568 on: February 16, 2018, 02:20:50 PM »
Me being a data geek I couldn't resist downloading the data and exploring it

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/now-available-more-200-000-deleted-russian-troll-tweets-n844731?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

I'm really enjoying 1-800-WOKE-AF tweets.
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« Reply #14569 on: February 16, 2018, 02:38:09 PM »
:lol fuck Russia

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« Reply #14570 on: February 16, 2018, 02:41:25 PM »
Now they're saying the Russians were also helping Bernie

Peter Daou Jack vindicated?

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« Reply #14571 on: February 16, 2018, 02:42:49 PM »
Russians vindicated :teehee

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« Reply #14572 on: February 16, 2018, 02:44:50 PM »
Can’t believe the Russians were helping Bernie. :lol I did a double take when I read it in the report.
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« Reply #14573 on: February 16, 2018, 02:48:12 PM »
Can’t believe the Russians were helping Bernie. :lol I did a double take when I read it in the report.

I think Comey may have been onto something when he testified that the main objective was to spoil Yass Queen's party.

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« Reply #14574 on: February 16, 2018, 02:49:32 PM »
This kind of explains why nobody has heard about anything about BLM since 2016 apart from Patrice swearing up and down they are still relevant.

Apparent all the best “actions” were spearheaded by Russians.

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« Reply #14575 on: February 16, 2018, 03:01:49 PM »
RT is generally way far left so fake Bernie support trolling isn't surprising.

If you know the history of ussr propaganda efforts, this stuff isn't new. It's design is to create discord. It's amusing watching people trying to align a single political party behind it.  Th question being how much any of these efforts compare on the wide scale. Does it even compare to Russia's own RT station or other state prop like Al-Jazeera?

I guess in a dark way I just like watching the dance. People that know better pretending this is shocking and people who are truly in the dark being shocked or trying to come to grips with old news.

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« Reply #14576 on: February 16, 2018, 03:06:38 PM »
Can’t believe the Russians were helping Bernie. :lol I did a double take when I read it in the report.

I think Comey may have been onto something when he testified that the main objective was to spoil Yass Queen's party.

I thought that was kinda known? Russia, as did most of the world, including Hillary, assumed Hillary winning was a foregone conclusion. So one of the primary objectives was likely sowing discord, trying to poison the well of Hillary. If we can get Trump elected awesome, Putin will be happy with us, if not we will just settle on weakening and destabilizing shit to make life miserable for Hillary, who Putin has apparently hated going back to the 90’s.

I remember there being a lot of that talk around January last year and such when everyone was first going nuts over this and you had former intelligence people on every talk show it seemed like.

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« Reply #14577 on: February 16, 2018, 03:26:11 PM »
I suspect Bernie Sanders had been compromised ever since he honeymooned to the USSR. Maybe he's a robot.
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« Reply #14578 on: February 16, 2018, 03:28:53 PM »
I am curious if there will be blowback for US agents who currently do the same job in foreign countries.

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« Reply #14579 on: February 16, 2018, 03:30:04 PM »
that would require intellectual consistency or recognizing that the CIA's entire job is to literally break laws and disregard sovereignty
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