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[Nola]

And I'm telling you like I told you a million times that TPP would be way worse than the current situation for the reasons I stated again and again. I don't care about the details on how the US should move on with China, I'm not a fucking trade expect but I've read enough on TPP to know it's poison. Things aren't optimal but they can get worse, that's the point you keep missing, possibly on purpose. People CAN oppose a law without having the obligation to draft new legislation on the matter you know. Are you done with the "specifics" now or should we continue with this godawful circular argument?

So basically you can offer nothing, like the empty shit and grossly abused terms you rail against every day? And you have no clue about what success looks like, or how trade works, which automatically puts into question your ability to judge failure.

So in your mind a relationship where America subjects itself to the mercantilist operations of China and other pacific governments where they take advantage of our strong legal, environmental, regulatory and business equality standards, with low tariffs, to flood our market, while operating a heavily protectionist internal structure, often with much higher tariffs and underhanded measures, that caused millions of jobs to be lost. That situation in your mind is somehow superior to one that puts those frameworks in place to create equal footing with severe penalties for violations? That would put pressure on China to cede ground in their own negotiations that will continue on with the RCEP? Would give us much better leverage in future bi-lateral trade agreements and keep us as the primary arbiter of trade internationally.

Inaction isn't inaction either. America stepping back from being the global leader on shaping trade just means someone else can fill that void and the most obvious answer is China. Who without an American presence putting stronger pressures in other directions can more easily shape trade around the globe to tract down a path they prefer and advantages them while America sits around playing the chump because of reactionaries like you and Trump that can't even articulate why these policies are worse then the alternatives you seek. Don't have any solutions that are better(or any at all). Just to let the situation as it stands fester, which by all accounts is far worse then what the TPP offered. As flawed as it was.

[VomKriege]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/830764596235485188

[PlayDat]

I should have posted this with those poll results on Friday just so people don’t get the wrong idea.  Sorry I took so long.  Public Policy Polling is open about their liberal bias.  They’re rarely flat out wrong, but their methods have drawn criticism from statisticians.

11 Sep 2013
Nate Silver vs. Public Policy Polling

12 Sep 2013
There’s Something Wrong With America’s Premier Liberal Pollster

Of course, it's impossible to prove that PPP weights toward a desired result. But what’s so troubling is that it’s totally possible. No other pollster employs a truly ad hoc approach, with the flexibility to weight to whatever electorate it chooses, while allowing the composition of the electorate to fluctuate based on the inconsistent and subjective application of controversial or undisclosed metrics. In PPP's own words, they “don’t have any specific rules” about how to weight from poll to poll. And within that framework, it's a little absurd that PPP reserves the power to wield a weighting bludgeon, like considering the [2012] election, whenever and however the firm feels like it. And while that inconsistency prevents anyone from proving that they weight toward a desired results, it also prevents PPP from proving that it does not.

Reproducibility is at the heart of the scientific method: If I conduct an experiment and produce a certain result, and someone can’t do the same experiment and get the same outcome, there should be serious doubts about my finding. Incredibly, PPP’s methodology is so inconsistent that it’s not even clear it could replicate its own results with the same raw data. That should raise red flags.

Any results of theirs should be taken with healthy skepticism.  I didn’t mean to misinform.

[Madrun Badrun]

http://www.theroot.com/frank-ancona-kkk-imperial-wizard-found-dead-in-a-miss-1792267188


Wasn't sure where to post this. Seems like the guy was tricked into showing up somewhere, and then jumped?


It reminds me of the joke: "What do you call a dozen dead racists? A good start."

Top reddit comment

He'll come back as Imperial Wizard The Whiter now. 

[Dennis]

[Raist]

I'm not entirely sure Captain America is supposed to be the embodiment of the left

[recursivelyenumerable]

"From the commencement of the titanic American strife the workingmen of Europe felt instinctively that the star-spangled banner carried the destiny of their class."

- Karl Marx

[FStop7]

http://www.theroot.com/frank-ancona-kkk-imperial-wizard-found-dead-in-a-miss-1792267188


Wasn't sure where to post this. Seems like the guy was tricked into showing up somewhere, and then jumped?


It reminds me of the joke: "What do you call a dozen dead racists? A good start."

Frank Ancona don't want none unless you got buns, hun.

[recursivelyenumerable]

shame on you. and on his birthday too.

[james]

So Ive been thinking...

The best case scenario is for Trump to serve four years. No impeachment. And for his reign of terror to erode slowly.

Because it looks like the status quo will result in zero effective GOP legislation passing.

Dems win a House majority in 2018 and its over for Donny.

[Phoenix Dark]

[TakingBackSunday]

We full dictatorship now

[chronovore]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/830764596235485188

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[Joe Molotov]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/02/12/devoss-education-department-misspells-name-of-naacp-co-founder-in-tweet-and-gets-hit-on-twitter/?utm_term=.f70c22fd549c

https://twitter.com/usedgov/status/830774712846348288



Is our children learning?

[Nola]

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I mean I guess technically, historically, he is both right and wrong.

But arguably this applies much more to his bosses branch of government, and this is an attempt to expand that further for all the wrong reasons, so he can fuck right off with that shit.

[curly]

And I'm telling you like I told you a million times that TPP would be way worse than the current situation for the reasons I stated again and again. I don't care about the details on how the US should move on with China, I'm not a fucking trade expect but I've read enough on TPP to know it's poison. Things aren't optimal but they can get worse, that's the point you keep missing, possibly on purpose. People CAN oppose a law without having the obligation to draft new legislation on the matter you know. Are you done with the "specifics" now or should we continue with this godawful circular argument?

So basically you can offer nothing, like the empty shit and grossly abused terms you rail against every day? And you have no clue about what success looks like, or how trade works, which automatically puts into question your ability to judge failure.

So in your mind a relationship where America subjects itself to the mercantilist operations of China and other pacific governments where they take advantage of our strong legal, environmental, regulatory and business equality standards, with low tariffs, to flood our market, while operating a heavily protectionist internal structure, often with much higher tariffs and underhanded measures, that caused millions of jobs to be lost. That situation in your mind is somehow superior to one that puts those frameworks in place to create equal footing with severe penalties for violations? That would put pressure on China to cede ground in their own negotiations that will continue on with the RCEP? Would give us much better leverage in future bi-lateral trade agreements and keep us as the primary arbiter of trade internationally.

Inaction isn't inaction either. America stepping back from being the global leader on shaping trade just means someone else can fill that void and the most obvious answer is China. Who without an American presence putting stronger pressures in other directions can more easily shape trade around the globe to tract down a path they prefer and advantages them while America sits around playing the chump because of reactionaries like you and Trump that can't even articulate why these policies are worse then the alternatives you seek. Don't have any solutions that are better(or any at all). Just to let the situation as it stands fester, which by all accounts is far worse then what the TPP offered. As flawed as it was.

I don't know man, I don't have a comprehensive plan on trade but I still think it's a bad idea for foreign corporations to be able to sue governments for taking actions in the public interest that harm their investments.

[chronovore]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pre-clearance-border-canada-us-1.3976123


Hey, what do the Canucks think of US Customs officials being able to detain Canadians in Canada?


You guys all know what happened to author Peter Watts, too, right?

[Stro]

Just saw a local ad for a LASIK center starring a brown man named...RAMZI YOUSEF. Trump said he was going to protect us, not let terrorists get better eye sight.

[james]

Anyone else get nervous when Trump doesnt tweet?

Like what could possibly be so important he cant type out 140 characters???

[Madrun Badrun]

Probably rimming the button with his stubby fingers while looking longingly at it.

[helios]

We're going to be literally killed by someone's stupidity

https://twitter.com/PabloTorre/status/831160445536964608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

[Dennis]

[Madrun Badrun]

'Rick get over here.  I want to touch it again.'

[Phoenix Dark]

The guy who carries the football is very visible anyway by default, I'm not sure this is a huge deal. I'm also going to assume there were Secret Service agents or military personnel in that room.

[Samson Manhug]

Yeah the "football" is a huge 45 lb suitcase attached to someone's wrist. Just google "nuclear football" and you can see lots of people holding it.

[helios]

Well now I want to take a picture with him.

[Joe Molotov]

Yeah the "football" is a huge 45 lb suitcase attached to someone's wrist. Just google "nuclear football" and you can see lots of people holding it.

NOT SO SMALL!

[james]

Youd think "no photos" would be a rule during an international security incident.

Except that for a reality TV star, photos are life

[studyguy]

Fuck that nuclear football shit.
This is the real kicker. It's the painting he paid for with the Foundation cash.


https://twitter.com/darth/status/774773979110215680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

How has this shit not been tossed in the trash or something by now.
 

[james]

You know what, this is unprecedented transparency and Obama should be ashamed.

Trump is truly a man of the people.

[Madrun Badrun]

https://i.redd.it/19fjmjnetnfy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/V96mNM6.png

[Boredfrom]

I'm not entirely sure Captain America is supposed to be the embodiment of the left

Captain America is usually a pretty big leftist in Comics except in the Ultimate universe or right now as

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Red Skull changed the reality to make him a Hydra agent because we need a Superdark Captain America in the Trump era

[close]

[Madrun Badrun]

https://i.redd.it/idvxkvzpknfy.gif

http://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_07/1900771/170213-trump-trudeau-white-house-1205p_5ff4a5ddafbb3b80929a5b47b32e9fff.nbcnews-ux-2880-1000.jpg

We won.  Makes us better than Japan by the law of transitivity.

[recursivelyenumerable]

idgi

[Madrun Badrun]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/13/donald-trumps-handshake-strong-grip-weak

http://theslot.jezebel.com/trump-tried-and-failed-to-pull-his-strange-trademark-ha-1792300523

[Boogie]

Yeah, Trudeau the selfie-savvy PM ain't about to let Trump win the image battle over him. 

[Stro]

Why does Trump have a painting of Shooter McGavin? Justin seems even dumber than Trump. All the Canadians I am in contact with hate him and think he's been terrible. Meanwhile, Americans still believe he's Canadian Obama.

[Boogie]

[Great Rumbler]

Justin seems even dumber than Trump. All the Canadians I am in contact with hate him and think he's been terrible. Meanwhile, Americans still believe he's Canadian Obama.

His chin game is pretty strong, though, and I can respect that. Trump's has mostly retreated into his neck fat.

[Boogie]

Why does Trump have a painting of Shooter McGavin? Justin seems even dumber than Trump. All the Canadians I am in contact with hate him and think he's been terrible. Meanwhile, Americans still believe he's Canadian Obama.

And what, of substance, that he has done leads your Canadian associates to think that he has been terrible?

(Note:  I am no Trudeau cheerleader, but I did vote for him, and don't feel there has been any significant reason to regret having done so yet)

[seagrams hotsauce]

The guy who carries the football is very visible anyway by default, I'm not sure this is a huge deal. I'm also going to assume there were Secret Service agents or military personnel in that room.

People were more concerned that homie wasn't willing to interrupt dinner and instead opted to handle this while goofballs like Dick over there posted the shit on facebook. Dudes lighting the material with cellphone camera flashes isn't very reassuring either

[Great Rumbler]

The guy who carries the football is very visible anyway by default, I'm not sure this is a huge deal. I'm also going to assume there were Secret Service agents or military personnel in that room.

People were more concerned that homie wasn't willing to interrupt dinner and instead opted to handle this while goofballs like Dick over there posted the shit on facebook. Dudes lighting the material with cellphone camera flashes isn't very reassuring either

They're also discussing and reviewing sensitive information during a tense moment in front of a few dozen regular people who are calmly taking pictures and writing up social media posts of the whole event.

[Boredfrom]

This is typical Trump, thought. If the guy cannot get positive reinforcement from the media or doing rallies, he is going to try to get it from his costumers on his private hotel-club. It was a show for him than actually trying diplomacy or getting work done.

[FStop7]

Do people assume there's just a big red button inside of the case and that if someone somehow manages to steal it they can just push it and set off armageddon?   

[Raist]

What if the case is actually empty, save for a note saying "lol, gotcha"

[studyguy]

Do people assume there's just a big red button inside of the case and that if someone somehow manages to steal it they can just push it and set off armageddon?   

No, but at the same time parading the guy with the nuclear arsenal in a suitcase out for some old dudes taking selfies that happened to have paid a couple hundred G's to Trump while he handles a nuclear crisis in the background is a bad look.

But hey, hold up a sec, I gotta take this shot.

[james]

I like how the only women in attendance are trophy wives.

MAGA

[Boogie]

Note, in my awareness so far, hard Trudeau haters fall into two camps:

"Far" lefties that are disappointed that Trudeau isn't the socialist messiah they thought he might be.  Pissed off that he's actually, *gasp* approving pipelines to not cripple our economy, and not going full-court press on every progressive issue under the sun. 

And conservative types who weren't going to like him anyway.  People who are pissed off that he has raised their taxes, even though he.....hasn't. (Yes, I literally have a couple friends who have been bitching about their income taxes going up since Trudeau came in, when that has not happened.)

In other words, as far as I can tell, Trudeau is sitting comfortably in the "governing from the center-left" category..like the Liberals usually do.

He does have his dumbass gaffe moments, but those aren't substantive to me. (Though they do piss me off too.)

[Joe Molotov]

What Steve Bannon looks like in every unaltered photo, scientists can't explain it.

[Boredfrom]

Do people assume there's just a big red button inside of the case and that if someone somehow manages to steal it they can just push it and set off armageddon?   

No, but at the same time parading the guy with the nuclear arsenal in a suitcase out for some old dudes taking selfies that happened to have paid a couple hundred G's to Trump while he handles a nuclear crisis in the background is a bad look.

But hey, hold up a sec, I gotta take this shot.
(Image removed from quote.)

Deep down. Bannon probably also hates Trump. He is a useful idiot but seems to not even doing the minimal necessary. No wonder why everyone is tired as fuck when Trump is concerned about looking good than doing his job even in international crisis.

[studyguy]

(Image removed from quote.)

What Steve Bannon looks like in every unaltered photo, scientists can't explain it.

[studyguy]

Now Moby claims to know the Russian Dossier is all true.
Sure why not. On the number of ridiculous things that could happen in 2017, Moby leading to a breakthrough in a deep state cover up by the Trump administration probably isn't even the craziest thing that will happen by the end of this week. 

[Madrun Badrun]

I expect that he knows people in the know since Moby wrote the theme for the Bourne series.

[Rahxephon91]

Well extreme ways are back again.

[Boredfrom]

Now Moby claims to know the Russian Dossier is all true.
Sure why not. On the number of ridiculous things that could happen in 2017, Moby leading to a breakthrough in a deep state cover up by the Trump administration probably isn't even the craziest thing that will happen by the end of this week. 

That sounds like the usual speculation. Doesnt mean is wrong, but is not exactly secret that he is only there until the GOP has no benefit from he anymore and shit hit the fan.

 More concerned if there is truly more nefarious shit than paying for hookers to pee,  Trump shit talks everyone but Russia to not be involved.

[Great Rumbler]

“The President is evaluating the situation. He’s speaking to Vice President Pence relative to the conversation the Vice President had with Gen. Flynn and also speaking to various other people about what he considers the single most important subject there is: our national security,” White House press secretary Sean Spicer said, according NBC News.

Flynn's probably toast at this point, unless Trump does something crazy to keep people distracted.

[Phoenix Dark]

Now Moby claims to know the Russian Dossier is all true.
Sure why not. On the number of ridiculous things that could happen in 2017, Moby leading to a breakthrough in a deep state cover up by the Trump administration probably isn't even the craziest thing that will happen by the end of this week. 

desperate liberals


#fakenews

[FStop7]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/13/politics/trump-delay-travel-ban-seattle/index.html

"I'm a little surprised since the President said he wanted 'to see you in court,'" Robart said, later adding, "Are you confident that's the argument you want to make?"

DOJ lawyer Michelle R. Bennett said: "Yes, your honor."

 

[Boredfrom]

“The President is evaluating the situation. He’s speaking to Vice President Pence relative to the conversation the Vice President had with Gen. Flynn and also speaking to various other people about what he considers the single most important subject there is: our national security,” White House press secretary Sean Spicer said, according NBC News.

Flynn's probably toast at this point, unless Trump does something crazy to keep people distracted.

Pretty sure Trump knew. They probably are discussing their options and try to not get implicated.

[Nola]

I don't know man, I don't have a comprehensive plan on trade but I still think it's a bad idea for foreign corporations to be able to sue governments for taking actions in the public interest that harm their investments.

Dispute resolution is certainly an aspect of the TPP I have waffled a lot reading different economist's arguments and mostly fall on the Elizabeth Warren side of the argument that they are(or were, since, you know, Trump and all) inadequate in their current form but I don't go so far as thinking they are unnecessary like she does. But if you are going to have trade relations with other countries, we have to come up with a more equitable system then what exists now. Otherwise those weak court systems, like happens with China, sets up an unfair playing field that only harms American trade. ISDS's in general are tricky and even more so when you factor in the political optics that bind the left and right in reactionary sentiments that cloud a necessary discussion.