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[etiolate]

The Milo thing is weird because that Rogan interview is old and his jokes about sucking preacher cock are oldhat. I guess being on Maher was an accomplishment that ruffled too high level of feathers.

That this was the threshold is hilarious. The sheer speed that 'top tier' conservatives have shut him out is pretty interesting. Even more funny after he said on Bill Maher on Friday that he wouldn't say he was a pure conservative.

I think a punished Milo is going to be a lot more interesting.

I am seeing some weird celebrations of it. This sends Milo where? Back to the internet that spawned him and is more of the cultural maker than the platform that is punishing him?

I feel like it's just going to get weirder.

[chronovore]

https://www.facebook.com/FrankieBoyleFans/posts/1412914425416586

Frankie

"Seemingly everyday we have the unveiling of some new cabinet member who has stepped screaming into our dimension after being outwitted by a princess in a cautionary folktale."

[chronovore]

https://twitter.com/veryimportant/status/833371252970635266

 I tried watching this interview yesterday and struggled through about two thirds of it. I was surprised to find myself screaming at my home computer at Milo when he claimed that transgender people are involved in more sexual related crimes, disproportionately. 

 Sadly I realized his statement was technically true although he was recontextualizing it.  Milo clearly intended to imply that transgendered people commit more crimes, but his grammar can be defended by the actual truth: transgendered people are the victims in a disproportionate number of sexually related crimes.

[etiolate]

The panel being to clueless to know how to challenge that says a lot about Maher's guests.

[FStop7]

I haven't watched Maher since Politically Incorrect.  The show was infuriating to watch back then because just as a guest would start to contextualize a statement he'd cut them off and go to a break.  From what I've heard Real Time isn't much better even though it's a commercial free format.  Which tells me that Maher's not actually interested in discussion but rather having pundits bark half-formed thoughts at each other.

[Phoenix Dark]

I was surprised it took this long. The Muslim and trans stuff was never going to take him down, but when I saw that pedo video a few months ago I figured that would bring him down eventually. If there's something most adults can agree on across political lines it's that pedophilia is disgusting.

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ironically the Prophet Mohammad would agree with Milo on this 

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[etiolate]

Salon would agree with him if he actually went pro-pedo. 

Milo has always been pro-deviancy. He's about transgressing current moralities. His view of gay life and culture is that it should experiment, so his idea that he'd have a relationship with a preacher at 17 is nothing new or that he'd tease it out as being more scandalous.

But at the same time, he'll wag his finger at various things for being abhorrent. So he's a hypocrite and an insincere troll, but admonishing him for pedo defense when it's not really what he's doing seems like it's going to end up with his return.

[Nola]

I haven't watched Maher since Politically Incorrect.  The show was infuriating to watch back then because just as a guest would start to contextualize a statement he'd cut them off and go to a break.  From what I've heard Real Time isn't much better even though it's a commercial free format.  Which tells me that Maher's not actually interested in discussion but rather having pundits bark half-formed thoughts at each other.

He has always came off to me as the closest to being the twin of the sort of know-it-all unprepared conservative pundits. Which is why I think he is the most frequent target for the right. He's an easier target.

Like that whole Milo thing, I had to turn it off because it just came off like Maher didn't even bother to prepare properly for this showcase interview.

[etiolate]

His show is very pandering. His biggest disagreements as guests are Milo and Afleck, which are not a pair of rhetorical wizards in any way.

[chronovore]

https://www.facebook.com/FrankieBoyleFans/posts/1412914425416586

Frankie

"Seemingly everyday we have the unveiling of some new cabinet member who has stepped screaming into our dimension after being outwitted by a princess in a cautionary folktale."

One more: "I sometimes think that the new right have arisen without warning, then I remember that there were loads of warnings but I just kept muting and blocking them all."

[curly]

Milo could rape a kid on stage and etoilet would think it's only going to make him stronger

[Stro]

I haven't watched Maher since Politically Incorrect.  The show was infuriating to watch back then because just as a guest would start to contextualize a statement he'd cut them off and go to a break.  From what I've heard Real Time isn't much better even though it's a commercial free format.  Which tells me that Maher's not actually interested in discussion but rather having pundits bark half-formed thoughts at each other.

Maher is and has always been an ultra cunt, and neither of his shows are entertaining, funny, or informative. He's every bit the piece of shit that guys like O'Riley/Hannity/Rush are. In some ways worse. He goes out of his way to set up his segments to make his guests look foolish and be able to have the last word with no response and then 

[Vertigo]

I like Maher. Out of all the blowhards on TV he always has pretty interesting guests even wankers I wouldn't say I particularity like.

[etiolate]

Milo could rape a kid on stage and etoilet would think it's only going to make him stronger

Are you saying he's an interdimensional vampire?

[Oblivion]

"Last week he gave the sort of press conference that in a movie would bring a weary superhero out of retirement. "

 

I haven't watched Maher since Politically Incorrect.  The show was infuriating to watch back then because just as a guest would start to contextualize a statement he'd cut them off and go to a break.  From what I've heard Real Time isn't much better even though it's a commercial free format.  Which tells me that Maher's not actually interested in discussion but rather having pundits bark half-formed thoughts at each other.

He has always came off to me as the closest to being the twin of the sort of know-it-all unprepared conservative pundits. Which is why I think he is the most frequent target for the right. He's an easier target.

Like that whole Milo thing, I had to turn it off because it just came off like Maher didn't even bother to prepare properly for this showcase interview.

As I keep saying, this is a complete misunderstanding of why Maher invited that dipshit on his show to begin with. He was never planning on debating him or calling him out because he was also kicked out of Berkeley and asked Milo to come on so that he could bond with him.

[Syph]

back with a momentary Rubio-related driveby


rubio-gowdy-haley dreamteam 

pce out

[seagrams hotsauce]

A number of responses to this I've seen from right-wing sources have noted how they couldn't believe anyone with 'conservative values' wouldn't be disgusted by this, which is admittedly a kinda clever way of politicizing pedophelia

[CatsCatsCats]

So Milo is a piece of shit because he was abused. Can't I just hate anyone in peace anymore?

[Boredfrom]

A number of responses to this I've seen from right-wing sources have noted how they couldn't believe anyone with 'conservative values' wouldn't be disgusted by this, which is admittedly a kinda clever way of politicizing pedophelia

Is also a way to distance themselves from Milo while claiming he was not a true conservative.

[sarslip]

[Mupepe]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/21/politics/dhs-immigration-guidance-detentions/index.html

I have family that is here under DACA and without papers at all.  I now fear that DACA is basically a self submitted list of easy targets.  Fuck.  ICE has gotten really aggressive over the last couple of weeks.  A week or so ago they had set up a checkpoint outside a Houston neighborhood that's under construction because of course the laborers that build the homes are largely Hispanic.

[I'm a Puppy!]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/21/politics/dhs-immigration-guidance-detentions/index.html

I have family that is here under DACA and without papers at all.  I now fear that DACA is basically a self submitted list of easy targets.  Fuck.  ICE has gotten really aggressive over the last couple of weeks.  A week or so ago they had set up a checkpoint outside a Houston neighborhood that's under construction because of course the laborers that build the homes are largely Hispanic.

If it's any consolation we went through something similar with Reagan's Amnesty in the 80s. Reagan announced an amnesty lottery (although we were here on a international student visa) and my mom won it, we spent several thousand on paperwork and all that. And after we had put in all the paperwork and paid all the fees congress shut it down. So we were there with Immigration having all our information and then congress blustering about deporting everyone. In the end we were OK. YMMV of course, but this isn't necessarily something we didn't see before. Hang in there.

[benjipwns]

rupert murdoch
whoever tucker's booker is

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[Sausage]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/21/politics/dhs-immigration-guidance-detentions/index.html

I have family that is here under DACA and without papers at all.  I now fear that DACA is basically a self submitted list of easy targets.  Fuck.  ICE has gotten really aggressive over the last couple of weeks.  A week or so ago they had set up a checkpoint outside a Houston neighborhood that's under construction because of course the laborers that build the homes are largely Hispanic.

My mom is an elementary school teacher at a school with a pretty high hispanic population and she was saying there were like 80 kids missing, and of the kids that are there are worried about moving back to Mexico

[Take My Breh Away]

https://twitter.com/grynbaum/status/834124012678676485

Take the money and run

[FStop7]

Tucker Carlson has the world's most punchable face.


Re: Milo:  Bye bitch.  Enjoy your new cubicle in Alex Jones' basement dungeon.

[ToxicAdam]

They need to refer to Milo as 'Future Dancing with the Stars contestant'.

[Joe Molotov]

Re: Milo:  Bye bitch.  Enjoy your new cubicle in Alex Jones' basement dungeon.

Can you craft pedophilic reptilian conspiracies alongside a pederasty advocate?

 

Yes?

[etiolate]

The alex jones angle will be this:

Milo is the truth teller that they're throwing under the bus to take the pedo heat off for the real pedos!

They'll cite Salon suddenly removing all their pro-pedo articles.

[zomgee]

Milo really is the gay frog Alex was warning us about.

[benjipwns]

And like all trolls, Yiannopoulos thinks his provocations are brilliant, when actually he's just a goof with an accent and a C-minus mind who says witlessly obnoxious things and through sheer accident of historical circumstance gets rewarded for it.

He seems genuinely to believe that he's one of the first people ever to notice that you can make a good living through lying and the unscrupulous use of hate speech. With the confidence of a person who hasn't yet discovered the depth of his own unoriginality, he leans into controversies instead of recoiling from them, sure he can always spin things in a pinch.

somebody's jealous

[chronovore]

https://twitter.com/jzellis/status/834153776885882880

[Raist]

And like all trolls, Yiannopoulos thinks his provocations are brilliant, when actually he's just a goof with an accent and a C-minus mind who says witlessly obnoxious things and through sheer accident of historical circumstance gets rewarded for it.

He seems genuinely to believe that he's one of the first people ever to notice that you can make a good living through lying and the unscrupulous use of hate speech. With the confidence of a person who hasn't yet discovered the depth of his own unoriginality, he leans into controversies instead of recoiling from them, sure he can always spin things in a pinch.

somebody's jealous

He seems genuinely to believe that he's one of the first people ever to notice that you can make a good living through lying

Yeah, nothing new for Rolling Stone 

[agrajag]

Milo isn't going away, no. But I think if anything, his fall from grace is accelerating the rift between mainstream Republicans and alt-righters. There's no way Republicans would want to be associated with Milo now.

[benjipwns]

now i'm convinced they're faking these guests

[etiolate]

https://twitter.com/greggutfeld/status/834229620480294917

[benjipwns]

What Is Fascism?

January 11, 2017 by Refuse Fascism
The Call, “In the Name of Humanity, We REFUSE To Accept a Fascist America!” says:

“Fascism foments and relies on xenophobic nationalism, racism, misogyny, and the aggressive re-institution of oppressive “traditional values.” Fascism feeds on and encourages the threat and use of violence to build a movement and come to power. Fascism, once in power, essentially eliminates traditional democratic rights. Fascism attacks, jails, even executes its opponents, and launches violent mob attacks on “minorities.” In Nazi Germany in the 1930s and ’40s, fascism did all these things. This is where this can go. And yes, Hitler himself could “talk graciously” when he felt it would serve his interests and lull his opponents.”

And by any definition of fascism, the Trump regime is a fascist regime.

[benjipwns]

manifest the no

[benjipwns]

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[thisismyusername]

https://twitter.com/jzellis/status/834153776885882880

I dunno if he needs venture capitalists if he does like a video site a la InfoWars?

I do think Milo (sadly) still has a market/audience despite this whole drama. And they'll follow him wherever he goes. But his days of main-stream speaking? I feel those are pretty much over.

[bluemax]

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[Nola]

https://twitter.com/jzellis/status/834153776885882880

I dunno if he needs venture capitalists if he does like a video site a la InfoWars?

I do think Milo (sadly) still has a market/audience despite this whole drama. And they'll follow him wherever he goes. But his days of main-stream speaking? I feel those are pretty much over.

How much of a following will he actually have if he doesn't have a large enough platform where a good population of liberals will take notice and engage in behavior perceived by the alt-right to be hypocritical and fascist?

Where - oblivious to their hypocrisy - they will gather together afterwards and cackle endlessly to each other about it. Passing around pepe and MAGA memes, patting each other on the back for how much smarter and civilized they think they are then liberals.

 

[thisismyusername]

Well, I mean look at the_donald, it's still thriving despite not being an "official Trump platform" (outside of a Trump QA there).

Milo's audience intersects that base that goes to 4chan and the_donald. All he has to do is announce a site there and the folks will follow more than likely.

[benjipwns]

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I've never understood these especially when they start piling up and people are all why isn't that guy I hate not working on things I don't want him to do?!? What's "non-work time" for the President? Isn't he basically always "on call"?

When Bush was reading My Pet Goat that was probably considered work time, and later when he said "let's kill terrorists, now watch this drive" that probably wasn't, but in both situations he had no control over world events and could only react to them after the fact. It's not like the President can't stop between tee's to sign "drone process" for some citizen who picked bad parents or whatever.

Still, 13 hours tweeting is pretty amazing. I wonder what that looks like compared to other celebrities. Or Twitter Bots. Also, that could go in my criticism, technically that's a form of his work, no? PR/press/etc. Just other presidents never did it so directly and openly instead writing in their diaries or whatever.

I guess what I'm saying is, never forget:

[Kara]

Avakianites on Fox News? I guess there is actually some upside to the final collapse.

[Kara]

I was reading about the latest harebrained tax proposal getting ink and my initial thought was, "Boy (no gender essentialist), who would have thought that electing a racist buffoon who mumbled 'I want to be autarky [sic]' just enough for the prole whisperers to overlook the whole racist buffoon thing would provide certain elements of the bourgeoisie with an opportunity to put us on an irreversible course that ends with territorial taxation*," but I trust no one--not even myself-- so I went to the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation website and found this:

ITIF believes that any bill emerging from Congress must include the following components in order to successfully boost innovation, productivity, and competitiveness:

A substantially lower corporate statutory rate.
A maximum rate on foreign profits of 15 percent, with credit for foreign taxes and the elimination of deferred taxes on foreign profits.
An enhanced research and development tax credit.
An innovation box. [Editor's note: A special, lower tax rate on income derived from intellectual property... because rent seeking isn't in and of itself already more profitable than income earned in non-rent seeking manners.]
Strong incentives for capital investment.

Congress should pass any tax reform that contains these provisions.

Still got it.

*For corporations, not people, my friend.

[benjipwns]

So you're saying Hollywood is going to film even fewer comic book movies in the United States but make more in total.

[seagrams hotsauce]

I wish I could pre-blacklist whatever site Milo produces before it exists solely based on the amount of creepy ass anime avatars it's gonna generate

[Kara]

So you're saying Hollywood is going to film even fewer comic book movies in the United States but make more in total.

Regulatory capture, it's so anionic friends.

[Phoenix Dark]

But Kara, the corporate tax rate is SO HIGH. 

[Nola]

Well, I mean look at the_donald, it's still thriving despite not being an "official Trump platform" (outside of a Trump QA there).

Milo's audience intersects that base that goes to 4chan and the_donald. All he has to do is announce a site there and the folks will follow more than likely.

I just get the sense that the only reason the guy gets any real stay with the alt-right is because he managed to get into the liberal bubble and goat reactions. I don't think I ever see people treating Milo like they do typical alt-right pundits or conservative figures. What he says is irrelevant compared to what reactions he gets. If he can't keep that exposure up I don't know how he sticks around.

Though I guess if he makes a site focused on his strengths, maybe he can sustain some sort of following.

[I'm a Puppy!]

But Kara, the corporate tax rate is SO HIGH. 

...on paper
 

[agrajag]

Well, I mean look at the_donald, it's still thriving despite not being an "official Trump platform" (outside of a Trump QA there).

Milo's audience intersects that base that goes to 4chan and the_donald. All he has to do is announce a site there and the folks will follow more than likely.

I just get the sense that the only reason the guy gets any real stay with the alt-right is because he managed to get into the liberal bubble and goat reactions. I don't think I ever see people treating Milo like they do typical alt-right pundits or conservative figures. What he says is irrelevant compared to what reactions he gets. If he can't keep that exposure up I don't know how he sticks around.

Though I guess if he makes a site focused on his strengths, maybe he can sustain some sort of following.

He has a pretty rabid following. I checked out a youtube stream of his conference, and 99% of the live comments were "fuck traitorous breitbart," "I love you Milo" etc.

[Kara]

But Kara, the corporate tax rate is SO HIGH. 

Unlike the usual proposals that scream "I too read Böhm von Bawerk talk tax policy for his long-lived and widely respected country" which involve cutting statutory rates while broadening income subject to tax*, this is a lowering of statutory rates while narrowing income subject to tax. i.e. Malarkey and / or wonk drivel.

If you don't want to be taxed at personal income tax rates, don't operate as an entity that has a personal existence. e.g. A general partnership. It's not my fault you (pejoratively) suck.

*Until the electorate stop paying attention, then the income subject to tax mysteriously contracts. Predicate your political calculations on people manning the walls forever brehs.

[Joe Molotov]

Corporations are people, tho.

[studyguy]

https://twitter.com/PaulaReidCBS/status/834538361259974656

 

[Joe Molotov]

[studyguy]

http://www.arkansasonline.com/cottontownhall/

yoooooooooo Tom Cotton town hall meeting is lit.
Some lady literally came out here tracing her family linage down to the founding fathers who signed the constitution, had family in the revolution, related to some kinda vet in the family who has a shitload of medals and probably had a great grandma who gave Lincoln a handjob... all this to ask about investigating Putin/Trump connections.

Tom Cotton's response was basically

[helios]

Those people are pissed

[Syph]

DNC Chair debate tonight
CNN's headline is "Democrats try to figure out where they're headed"
If they elect Keith Ellison, then the answer is straight to the