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« Reply #4200 on: March 07, 2017, 03:55:04 AM »
What if Obama really was still the shadow president, pulling all the strings behind the scenes like Trump thinks? That would be pretty dope imo.

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« Reply #4201 on: March 07, 2017, 08:08:44 AM »
What if Obama really was still the shadow president, pulling all the strings behind the scenes like Trump thinks? That would be pretty dope imo.

https://twitter.com/crossslide/status/832745758973517828
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« Reply #4202 on: March 07, 2017, 08:59:17 AM »
What if Obama really was still the shadow president, pulling all the strings behind the scenes like Trump thinks? That would be pretty dope imo.

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« Reply #4203 on: March 07, 2017, 09:22:39 AM »
1000 internet points for Dufus! Nice catch.
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« Reply #4204 on: March 07, 2017, 11:12:32 AM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/839086723552411648

Trumpcare is a-go! If you get sick, just take a Trump Tylenol and suck it up, poor people with your iPhones and your refrigerators!
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« Reply #4205 on: March 07, 2017, 11:17:22 AM »
More like Trumpdon'tcare.

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« Reply #4206 on: March 07, 2017, 11:58:23 AM »
Yeah I noticed that Race Bannon looked like Pence.

Race... Bannon :ohhh
He could be putting his wit towards attracting women but instead he's using it to give us classic posts
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« Reply #4207 on: March 07, 2017, 01:52:39 PM »
Die the villain we need or live long enough to become the hero we deserve.
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« Reply #4209 on: March 07, 2017, 08:26:49 PM »
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« Reply #4210 on: March 07, 2017, 08:28:53 PM »
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TFW your enemy makes your points on your behalf.
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« Reply #4211 on: March 07, 2017, 09:13:29 PM »
Yeah, Newt Gingrich was such an asset to the country.
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« Reply #4212 on: March 07, 2017, 10:54:39 PM »
Yeah I noticed that Race Bannon looked like Pence.

Race... Bannon :ohhh

Don't forget the other part:

Race....Bannon

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« Reply #4213 on: March 08, 2017, 08:47:54 AM »
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« Reply #4215 on: March 08, 2017, 06:24:43 PM »
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text

Not even joking: H.R.1275 - World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017

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« Reply #4216 on: March 08, 2017, 06:43:12 PM »
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text

Not even joking: H.R.1275 - World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017

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TITLE II—IMPROVING HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNTS TO PROMOTE ACCOUNTABILITY

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« Reply #4217 on: March 08, 2017, 06:56:10 PM »
Don't stumble, citizen, or you'll be trampled by personal responsibility.

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« Reply #4218 on: March 08, 2017, 07:19:05 PM »
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text

Not even joking: H.R.1275 - World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017

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....The rest of the industrialized world just got a copy:

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« Reply #4219 on: March 08, 2017, 07:24:04 PM »
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text

Not even joking: H.R.1275 - World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017

:trumps

TITLE II—IMPROVING HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNTS TO PROMOTE ACCOUNTABILITY

lol

Do they accept iPhones?

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« Reply #4220 on: March 08, 2017, 07:42:04 PM »
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text

Not even joking: H.R.1275 - World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017

:trumps

TITLE II—IMPROVING HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNTS TO PROMOTE ACCOUNTABILITY

lol

Do they accept iPhones?

I hope you're not a strapping young buck, gorging yourself on crab legs and chemotherapy.  :wag
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« Reply #4221 on: March 08, 2017, 08:20:58 PM »
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text

Not even joking: H.R.1275 - World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017

:trumps

TITLE II—IMPROVING HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNTS TO PROMOTE ACCOUNTABILITY

lol

I had severe pain in my gut so I went to the ER. They gave me some pain meds and put me in a bed for a couple of hours. After a bit, they did a scan and discovered that it was a colon infection. I got a prescription for more pain meds and an antibiotic, then sent home.

$15,000

I have insurance, luckily, but I was still on the hook for 5 grand for the deductible.
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« Reply #4222 on: March 08, 2017, 08:22:29 PM »
I once had to go to the hospital to get my second butthole removed.  The cost of parking was atrocious. 
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« Reply #4223 on: March 08, 2017, 08:29:13 PM »
Yeah, how can something with woefully insufficient annual contribution limits that depends on the growth of financial assets to overcome those limitations hope to ever finance medical emergencies that can occur when the heck ever?

HSAs have two functions: helping high income taxpayers exclude more income from tax and giving cheap employers a shitty health insurance plan to offer. They also have a nefarious use, but I know NOTHING ABOUT THAT.
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« Reply #4224 on: March 08, 2017, 09:23:49 PM »
Are we winning yet? Have we won so much that we're tired of winning?
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« Reply #4227 on: March 09, 2017, 06:30:53 PM »
it's easier to agree on what you don't want than to agree on what you do want.
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« Reply #4228 on: March 10, 2017, 12:55:31 AM »
https://twitter.com/CitizenCohn/status/839884883015118849

"The intellectual leader of the Republican Party."

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« Reply #4229 on: March 10, 2017, 01:07:02 AM »
If the healthy dont subsidize the sick its not insurance anymore, its just paying the bill

Also wtf at Pruitt denying global warming  :lol Whats next, evolution?

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« Reply #4230 on: March 10, 2017, 01:40:16 AM »
In an employer plan an employer can pay for the health insurance of relatives who have no-show jobs and the costs of those premiums are deductible for tax purposes. :doge

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« Reply #4231 on: March 10, 2017, 06:56:56 AM »
If the healthy dont subsidize the sick its not insurance anymore, its just paying the bill

Also wtf at Pruitt denying global warming  :lol Whats next, evolution?
Haven't looked into Betsy much, have ya? :doge
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« Reply #4232 on: March 10, 2017, 08:28:20 AM »
Nah, but the whole thing is a clusterfuck anyway and we only just started

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« Reply #4233 on: March 10, 2017, 08:44:23 AM »
Paul Ryan is right. Let's get rid of insurance and go single payer.  :doge
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« Reply #4234 on: March 10, 2017, 10:55:35 AM »
Woke Paul Ryan
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« Reply #4235 on: March 10, 2017, 04:35:03 PM »
In an employer plan an employer can pay for the health insurance of relatives who have no-show jobs and the costs of those premiums are deductible for tax purposes. :doge

But are any of those relatives black people that own iphones?
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« Reply #4236 on: March 10, 2017, 07:55:56 PM »
https://twitter.com/CitizenCohn/status/839884883015118849

"The intellectual leader of the Republican Party."

IT'S EXACTLY HOW INSURANCE FUKKIN WORKS

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« Reply #4237 on: March 10, 2017, 08:05:47 PM »
Damn, just reading up on the AHCA now. I mean I knew the GOP would never be able to square the circle and make the ACA more ideologically pure while also improving life for Upper-middle-blessed Americans and the beneaths. But this is some serious ratfucking.
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« Reply #4238 on: March 10, 2017, 08:30:13 PM »
In an employer plan an employer can pay for the health insurance of relatives who have no-show jobs and the costs of those premiums are deductible for tax purposes. :doge

But are any of those relatives black people that own iphones?

I have a theory that a lot of conservative talking points that border on being memes are actually something akin to your (pejorative) cheating romantic partner irrationally jumping to the conclusion that you yourself (again, pejorative) are cheating if you don't text or whatever. To paraphrase the last Luxemburgist Rosa Luxemburg, their lives are the world (while the world is everyone else's life).

There's undoubtedly more than a tinge of racism behind the one you're using now, as well as the frustration of people who live in the socioeconomic donut hole (being too affluent to get much subsistence assistance, but too poor to get wealthy welfare), but it absolutely has coin among the employing class because their own families are rife with utter morons who would starve if the family scion(s) didn't keep them on the sanguinolent dole with no-show or unrealistic jobs and don't even have the faintest conception of what financial diligence is (contrast this with single women of color who can and sometimes must ascend to homo economicus just to survive).

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« Reply #4239 on: March 10, 2017, 08:50:10 PM »
Damn, just reading up on the AHCA now. I mean I knew the GOP would never be able to square the circle and make the ACA more ideologically pure while also improving life for Upper-middle-blessed Americans and the beneaths. But this is some serious ratfucking.

It really is amazingly inept through about every conceivable prism you look through the bill with:


Policy/Economics:It's just shit. It covers less people, costs more, and by almost all accounts seems likely to make the healthcare situation in America much worse for everyone over the long-term.

Politically: You make insurance more expensive for rural living, working class, older people that are your electricians, contractors, or general working class small business employees that love Trump. By untying subsidies to the cost of the plans(which are by and large much more expensive in rural areas) and allowing insurers to charge older people more. You are gonna block-grant Medicaid and start the process right near an election year. Meaning campaigning in the midst of potentially millions losing insurance due to your policy. All the while disillusioning the hardliners that see everything through a window of "more" or "less" government and putting moderates in vulnerable positions if they bend to pressure.

Strategically: You come out the gate with your first big legislative push being the most controversial and divisive topic in politics. Instead of doing, IDK, the Republican bread and butter like tax cuts.

Morally: They are just pieces of shit, but this was already known. Though the fact the only thing there is wide agreement on is tax cuts for the rich, it just helps cement it.




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« Reply #4240 on: March 10, 2017, 09:40:40 PM »
The real problem for Republicans is that the ACA, in general, actually works and people like what they get out of it. Unless they replace it with a single-payer system, a lot of people are going to be really upset.
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« Reply #4241 on: March 10, 2017, 09:58:59 PM »
The real problem for Republicans is that the ACA, in general, actually works and people like what they get out of it. Unless they replace it with a single-payer system, a lot of people are going to be really upset.
Agreed.

Though, I'm still stuck trying to figure out if there is in fact any aspect of this self-created political calamity that isn't poised to spectacularly blow up in the faces of their 7 years of hypocrisy and bullshit.

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« Reply #4242 on: March 11, 2017, 12:32:58 AM »
The real problem for Republicans is that the ACA, in general, actually works and people like what they get out of it. Unless they replace it with a single-payer system, a lot of people are going to be really upset.
Agreed.

Though, I'm still stuck trying to figure out if there is in fact any aspect of this self-created political calamity that isn't poised to spectacularly blow up in the faces of their 7 years of hypocrisy and bullshit.

:delicious

They're just going to figure out how to finger-point at the democrats again when they lose power, and blame the dems for the republicans' fuckery.

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« Reply #4243 on: March 11, 2017, 12:34:17 AM »
If the healthy dont subsidize the sick its not insurance anymore, its just paying the bill

Also wtf at Pruitt denying global warming  :lol Whats next, evolution?

I'd bet money that you'd get evolution-deniers galore if they felt safe speaking their mind. They know the idea's unpopular, even if they think it's wrong.

Sadly, the flyover states have just proven that they could likely have been getting The Ignorant Vote for ages if they just promised to bring back coal and low-skill manufacturing jobs.

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« Reply #4244 on: March 11, 2017, 03:09:59 AM »
I just think we should always teach the controversy:

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« Reply #4245 on: March 11, 2017, 05:46:12 AM »
Paul Ryan is a fucking idiot who should stick to ribbon cutting ceremonies at strip malls in Racine.

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« Reply #4246 on: March 11, 2017, 09:25:39 AM »
I'll lose my insurance under AHCA due to it becoming unaffordable.

Guess I should grab a Bible and hope for the best.  :doge

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« Reply #4247 on: March 11, 2017, 12:13:12 PM »
I feel like denying evolution is already way more common than denying climate change.

There's much less religious investment in climate change denial.

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« Reply #4248 on: March 12, 2017, 03:40:46 AM »
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One of the first ways Secretary Carson can change the culture at HUD, [Edward] Pinto says, is by encouraging greater involvement by the private sector.

“The problem is that we’ve had too much government,” Pinto said. “We need to rely more in the private sector. That’s how things get done in this country.”

To make his point, Pinto explained that every year millions of automobiles are sold — a costly purchase for most, but entirely possible for those willing to work and save to finance its purchase.


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« Reply #4249 on: March 12, 2017, 09:54:55 AM »
I feel like denying evolution is already way more common than denying climate change.

There's much less religious investment in climate change denial.

My staff sergeant is a "militant atheist".   Regularly mocks religion out of the blue, says shit about how it's not rational, not based in science, etc.

And then thirty minutes later will turn around and rant about how climate change is a hoax/fraud/conspiracy, etc.

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« Reply #4250 on: March 12, 2017, 10:40:32 AM »
I feel like denying evolution is already way more common than denying climate change.

There's much less religious investment in climate change denial.

My staff sergeant is a "militant atheist".   Regularly mocks religion out of the blue, says shit about how it's not rational, not based in science, etc.

And then thirty minutes later will turn around and rant about how climate change is a hoax/fraud/conspiracy, etc.

 :goty2

Tell him he's obligated to choose a fucking horse before the horserace ends.



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« Reply #4253 on: March 12, 2017, 05:03:41 PM »
I feel like denying evolution is already way more common than denying climate change.

There's much less religious investment in climate change denial.

My staff sergeant is a "militant atheist".   Regularly mocks religion out of the blue, says shit about how it's not rational, not based in science, etc.

And then thirty minutes later will turn around and rant about how climate change is a hoax/fraud/conspiracy, etc.

 :goty2

I never understood the kind of people who think that creationism and evolution denial are absurd things, but have no problem with thinking climate change is a hoax.

So you definitely don't trust conservatives on matters of geology and biology, but think their climatology division is legit?  :doge

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« Reply #4254 on: March 12, 2017, 05:24:30 PM »
There's also a distinction between those who don't believe the climate is changing and those who question/are skeptical of anthropogenic (aka man-caused) climate change. I've seen the latter commonly called climate change denial yet it isn't the position such people actually hold.

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« Reply #4255 on: March 12, 2017, 06:10:24 PM »
When people talk about climate change, they're usually referring to man-made climate change. If that wasn't the case then there would be no point in discussing climate change at all.

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« Reply #4256 on: March 12, 2017, 06:36:11 PM »
I feel like denying evolution is already way more common than denying climate change.

There's much less religious investment in climate change denial.

My staff sergeant is a "militant atheist".   Regularly mocks religion out of the blue, says shit about how it's not rational, not based in science, etc.

And then thirty minutes later will turn around and rant about how climate change is a hoax/fraud/conspiracy, etc.

 :goty2

I never understood the kind of people who think that creationism and evolution denial are absurd things, but have no problem with thinking climate change is a hoax.

So you definitely don't trust conservatives on matters of geology and biology, but think their climatology division is legit?  :doge

I think my example is also a bit of a wrinkle of my circumstances.

Canada does have lots of very religious people (hell, I grew up as one, and on my better days, still like to call myself a Christian), but on a macro level is much less evangelical than America.

Nonetheless, policing in general is a very "conservative" profession.  I'm centrist as far as the general Canadian populace, and The Bore, is concerned, but in my office, I'm practically the left-wing pinko Commie.  :cancry

So it doesn't really surprise me in that context that you get an example of someone without religious attachment, who otherwise has an "orthodox Conservative" outlook, and obsessively consumes conservative talk radio shit, etc. but somehow filters out the Christian content.

Doesn't make it any less maddening though.
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« Reply #4257 on: March 12, 2017, 06:58:38 PM »
https://twitter.com/SteveKingIA/status/840980755236999169

Well then.
I'm getting tired of these endless variations on "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" from that part of the spectrum. You'd think Genghis Khan had returned. This time with laser weapons.

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« Reply #4259 on: March 12, 2017, 07:40:17 PM »
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One of the first ways Secretary Carson can change the culture at HUD, [Edward] Pinto says, is by encouraging greater involvement by the private sector.

“The problem is that we’ve had too much government,” Pinto said. “We need to rely more in the private sector. That’s how things get done in this country.”

To make his point, Pinto explained that every year millions of automobiles are sold — a costly purchase for most, but entirely possible for those willing to work and save to finance its purchase.


 :lol

I turned off HUD in the settings, much better experience imo.
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