US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[FStop7]

https://twitter.com/SteveKingIA/status/840980755236999169

Well then.

I'm getting tired of these endless variations on "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" from that part of the spectrum. You'd think Genghis Khan had returned. This time with laser weapons.

[Trent Dole]

somebody needs to build a damn crib around this country to get those people's babies outta here

The fuck you think all this MAGA shit is son?

[Kara]

My staff sergeant is a "militant atheist".   Regularly mocks religion out of the blue, says shit about how it's not rational, not based in science, etc.

And then thirty minutes later will turn around and rant about how climate change is a hoax/fraud/conspiracy, etc.

 

I never understood the kind of people who think that creationism and evolution denial are absurd things, but have no problem with thinking climate change is a hoax.

So you definitely don't trust conservatives on matters of geology and biology, but think their climatology division is legit? 

I think my example is also a bit of a wrinkle of my circumstances.

Canada does have lots of very religious people (hell, I grew up as one, and on my better days, still like to call myself a Christian), but on a macro level is much less evangelical than America.

Nonetheless, policing in general is a very "conservative" profession.  I'm centrist as far as the general Canadian populace, and The Bore, is concerned, but in my office, I'm practically the left-wing pinko Commie. 

So it doesn't really surprise me in that context that you get an example of someone without religious attachment, who otherwise has an "orthodox Conservative" outlook, and obsessively consumes conservative talk radio shit, etc. but somehow filters out the Christian content.

Doesn't make it any less maddening though.

If your staff sergeant self-identifies as a militant atheist, you might want to blow their mind sometime and show them where that phrase originated from.

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/841249846120075265

[Mupepe]

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/841249846120075265

A coworker was basically telling me this last Friday.  "My kid's school was able to identify people who stole laptops by accessing the camera on them.  Imagine what the CIA can do to try to get Trump!"   

[Nola]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/obamacare-revision-would-reduce-insured-numbers-by-24-million/2017/03/13/ea4c860a-0829-11e7-93dc-00f9bdd74ed1_story.html?utm_term=.9d814ea099e7

CBO: 24 Million would lose health coverage under AHCA.

[TakingBackSunday]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/obamacare-revision-would-reduce-insured-numbers-by-24-million/2017/03/13/ea4c860a-0829-11e7-93dc-00f9bdd74ed1_story.html?utm_term=.9d814ea099e7

CBO: 24 Million would lose health coverage under AHCA.

 

[ToxicAdam]

People still trust CBO projections?  That's a sweet job to have. Make 10 year projections and influence law, but never have culpability for being wrong.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2017/01/02/learning-from-cbos-history-of-incorrect-obamacare-projections/#5be78b0c46a7

[Madrun Badrun]

Ya but only 24 million poors

[Nola]

People still trust CBO projections?  That's a sweet job to have. Make 10 year projections and influence law, but never have culpability for being wrong.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2017/01/02/learning-from-cbos-history-of-incorrect-obamacare-projections/#5be78b0c46a7

Kaiser did a review of all projections of the ACA and the CBO was consistently the best forecaster. So yes.

They tend to overestimate costs though. So Republicans may be able to make the case of budget deficits.

At best right now the most positive projection is from Standard and Poors and they estimate at least 6 million will lose insurance. And if you look at the leaner subsidies, the change in age rating, the block granting of Medicaid, it is impossible for millions not to lose insurance under this. The question was always how many millions.


EDIT: Since I am home and can add to what I was saying, this is a copy of one of the studies Kaiser did:
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2015/dec/cbo-crystal-ball-forecast-aca

[Trent Dole]

Oh hey guess who used to love CBO projections?
https://twitter.com/RyanLizza/status/840002387398012929

[Boredfrom]

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/841249846120075265

A coworker was basically telling me this last Friday.  "My kid's school was able to identify people who stole laptops by accessing the camera on them.  Imagine what the CIA can do to try to get Trump!"   

And you answered: "The problem is not that they can or not, but that if it does they require a order from a judge, specially if the order  comes from Obama. And Microwaves dont have cameras."

[Mandark]

People still trust CBO projections?  That's a sweet job to have. Make 10 year projections and influence law, but never have culpability for being wrong.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2017/01/02/learning-from-cbos-history-of-incorrect-obamacare-projections/#5be78b0c46a7

first subhead "Exchange Enrollment Much Less Than CBO Projected"

ctrl+f "employ"

no results

thinking emoji

[Philip Cardgage]

So, I'm a little confused by something. Wikileaks releases a document written by the Cia, detailing methods of spying on people using products many U. S. Residents own.

Jon Oliver spends five minutes saying how everything is kosher because it's theoretical and the CIA is barred from spying on its own people.

Yet, last year, he interviewed Edward Snowden who is an enemy of the state because he said that the Government was spying on its own people.

So, what gives?

[brawndolicious]

Is it just that CIA jurisdiction is different than NSA with regards to spying on citizens? Of course I'm sure all the intelligence agencies share those same tools.

[Phoenix Dark]

Looks like I'll have to stop saying Lane Kiffin is the king of "falling up" and replace him with Paul Ryan. At least Kiffin has accomplished some things (championships, banging coeds).

[Mandark]

Looks like I'll have to stop saying Lane Kiffin is the king of "falling up" and replace him with Paul Ryan. At least Kiffin has accomplished some things (championships, banging coeds).

Totally worth reading the replies in this tweet thread:
https://twitter.com/david_j_roth/status/841479686165274625

[seagrams hotsauce]

Is it just that CIA jurisdiction is different than NSA with regards to spying on citizens? Of course I'm sure all the intelligence agencies share those same tools.

I'm not sure what the relationship is between the NSA and the other two but the CIA and FBI have been pretty uncooperative with one another since day one

[Madrun Badrun]

Is it just that CIA jurisdiction is different than NSA with regards to spying on citizens? Of course I'm sure all the intelligence agencies share those same tools.

They don't share the same tools as shown by all the software from the recent wikileaks, which was written by the CIA for the CIA

[Dennis]

[Great Rumbler]

So...Breitbart just released a pre-election tape of Paul Ryan saying he would no longer support Trump on anything [this was after that Pussy-gate tape] and nearly at the same time a White House report leaked that said the fallout from Ryan's health plan would be even worse than what the CBO estimated:

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/i-have-theory-about-steve-bannon-and-ahca

[Kara]

Looks like I'll have to stop saying Lane Kiffin is the king of "falling up" and replace him with Paul Ryan. At least Kiffin has accomplished some things (championships, banging coeds).

Lane Kiffin : Al Davis :: Paul Ryan : Donald Trump

[Phoenix Dark]

https://twitter.com/maddow/status/841795163664089089

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http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=44700.msg2237768#msg2237768

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[Joe Molotov]

Looks like I'll have to stop saying Lane Kiffin is the king of "falling up" and replace him with Paul Ryan. At least Kiffin has accomplished some things (championships, banging coeds).

Lane Kiffin : Al Davis :: Paul Ryan : Donald Trump

Is Reince Priebus the JaMarcus Russell of the Trump Administration?

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/maddow/status/841795163664089089

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http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=44700.msg2237768#msg2237768

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[benjipwns]

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/323792-former-nc-gov-says-backlash-over-bathroom-law-has-made-it-hard

Former North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory (R) says the state's controversial "bathroom law" has made it difficult for him to land a job after leaving office.

McCrory said in an interview with a World Radio podcast, according to the News & Observer, that the backlash following the law “has impacted me to this day, even after I left office. People are reluctant to hire me, because ‘oh my gosh, he’s a bigot’ — which is the last thing I am.”

He blamed liberal advocates who opposed the law, which requires that transgender people use the bathroom corresponding to their biological sex as identified on their birth certificate, for damaging his reputation.

“If you disagree with the politically correct thought police on this new definition of gender, you’re a bigot, you’re the worst of evil,” McCrory said. “It’s almost as if I broke a law.”

R.I.P. IN PEACE AMERICA 1776-2017

[Joe Molotov]

backlash-over-bathroom-law-has-made-it-hard

go on... 

[agrajag]

Tax returns from 2005.

[benjipwns]

Tax returns from 2005.

doesn't matter when the crime was committed for him to be automatically impeached

/GAF legal hot take

[benjipwns]

lol it's only two pages of the tax returns

[Joe Molotov]

What's the statute of limitations on taking bribes from Russia to commit treason?

[Joe Molotov]

Asking for a friend.

[benjipwns]

lmao at maddow's ten hours of "just asking questions" and then going to a break

[agrajag]

lmao at maddow's ten hours of "just asking questions" and then going to a break

breh she's got an hour of air time to fill

[daemon]

at this rate, the wall will be built and we still won't see any tax returns.

I'm now picturing the voice of the narrator for AMC shows.


"Previously, on season 6 of Tax Returns"

[Mandark]

I'm not watching, but both my regular twitter feed and the little politics list I made a while ago are 100% people tweeting about how long Maddow's taking with this.

https://twitter.com/kevinarnovitz/status/841818876673445888
https://twitter.com/dcsportsbog/status/841817309165559809
https://twitter.com/rembert/status/841818065096572929
https://twitter.com/netw3rk/status/841818843219648512
https://twitter.com/theshrillest/status/841820799728246786
https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/841818928615723008


Kevin Arnovitz deleted his tweet, but it was "It feels like the hand-check rule was reinstated for breaking news."

[agrajag]

itsnothing.gif

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[benjipwns]

he paid 25%

[Nola]

Mainstream cable news is fucking trash(few individual shows aside).

[benjipwns]

BREAKING NEWS: Trump made $150 million in 2005 and paid $38 million in federal taxes

POLITICO
to: me
9:44 pm

The White House said on Tuesday that President Donald Trump earned more than $150 million in 2005 - and paid some $38 million in federal taxes.

The administration offered those details in a statement as journalist David Cay Johnston published two pages of tax information about the president, apparently from Trump's 2005 return. The revelations were simultaneously broadcast on MSNBC's "The Rachel Maddow Show," which included an interview with Johnston.

"Before being elected President, Mr. Trump was one ofå the most successful businessmen in the world with a responsibility to his company, his family and his employees to pay no more tax than legally required," The White House said in a statement. "That being said, Mr. Trump paid $38 million dollars even after taking into account large scale depreciation for construction, on an income of more than $150 million dollars, as well as paying tens of millions of dollars in other taxes such as sales and excise taxes and employment taxes and this illegally published return proves just that."

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/_juliemorse/status/841826139500908544

 

[zomgee]

Asking for a friend.

Wow if true

[El Babua]

Y'all got worked.

If it was a real scoop, they wouldn't have to hype it up for some cable news show.

[Nola]

Lesson here: Stay in your fucking lane. lol

If you are an editorial host that primarily offers analysis or punditry, you should probably stick to the game you know how to play.

[Mandark]

So anyways, back to the ACA repeal.

I get that FUD against any source of embarrassing information is pretty much automatic for the GOP, but even so the attacks on the ACA feel goofy.

They're repealing rules which mandate health insurance and slashing funding to subsidize that coverage. That's pretty explicitly designed to push people away from health insurance, no?

[Dennis]

he paid 25%

[TakingBackSunday]

Maddow jumped the shark

[Dennis]

[team filler]

https://www.facebook.com/PeopleForBernie/videos/1207608756004706/

[benjipwns]

keep winning democrats:

[benjipwns]

omg

[benjipwns]

18part tweet about why this is important from HuffPo columnist:
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/841833971700899841

[zomgee]

oh here come the tweetsplainers

 

[Phoenix Dark]

So anyways, back to the ACA repeal.

I get that FUD against any source of embarrassing information is pretty much automatic for the GOP, but even so the attacks on the ACA feel goofy.

They're repealing rules which mandate health insurance and slashing funding to subsidize that coverage. That's pretty explicitly designed to push people away from health insurance, no?

Or as Ryan says, if you want it you can get it 

The more I look at the plan the more it looks like little more than tax cuts for the rich being sold as "health care." This seems like the entire conservative wing throwing up their hands and admitting no, they don't have any ideas on how to address healthcare. Poor, old...poor and old? Too bad, this isn't for you. And of course block granting Medicaid ensures it gets shitcanned. Public health, drug addiction help, community centers get shitcanned too. Thankfully this shit isn't going to pass.

So do democrats grow some balls and just say hey, why don't we just raise the Medicaid expansion income limit to include "middle class" people, increase hospital reimbursement rates, and change the name from Medicaid to something else in order to kill the stigma.

[benjipwns]

Medicade makes it sound like a dirty and dark arcade tucked into the corner of the mall.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

he says as if there's any other kind of mall-located arcade

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[benjipwns]

how did i miss this, why didn't they poll this for a decade except when osama got "killed"?

[Kara]

38 on 150 is pretty awful, especially for someone whose schtick is how much of a savvy businessman they are. Apparently the president selects his tax preparers like he does his executive agency heads (without any review).

spoiler (click to show/hide)

hmu Mr. President

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[Nola]

So anyways, back to the ACA repeal.

I get that FUD against any source of embarrassing information is pretty much automatic for the GOP, but even so the attacks on the ACA feel goofy.

They're repealing rules which mandate health insurance and slashing funding to subsidize that coverage. That's pretty explicitly designed to push people away from health insurance, no?

One of my biggest annoyances right now is pretty much this very thing.

On the one hand you have Ryan/Trump/GOP claiming if they don't do anything Obamacare will collapse completely. Setting aside the CBO, Kaiser, and numerous other places disputing that, how the fuck does that square with them passing a bill that relies on the functioning of those exchanges to work?

 Since in addition to that, all the complaints they have leveled at the ACA for why it is collapsing or failing, are not actually improved by this bill. In many cases, it makes them worse.

[Rufus]

Is it just that CIA jurisdiction is different than NSA with regards to spying on citizens? Of course I'm sure all the intelligence agencies share those same tools.

With the NSA, the issue is that they're collecting pretty much everything from everyone. This CIA thing is just a look at their tool belt. The juicy ones being assassination methods (compromising cars that are drive by wire) and a department (?) specializing in profiling and impersonating known hackers. Hm...

[benjipwns]

I'll try to offhand piece this together in regards to the John Oliver thing, but do so poorly and inaccurately. The DIA and CIA are in theory concerned with human intelligence (legally, foreign), the NSA is concerned with information/data/signal intelligence. Again, technically legally only "foreign" intelligence.

Traditionally the "loophole" was that they had to have only one foot in the U.S., i.e. someone here talking to someone there. The NSA realized this was a waste of time and just decided to hoover up everything in sight and figure it out later. Which is why they got caught.

The DIA and CIA have goals that are outside simple data collection and spent years on building relationships and so on, the NSA has been organized and worked in a such a way that they've never got past that data collection step so their spying is considered often almost functionally useless. You go "I need to know about this thing in placename, Russia", the CIA talks to some people and comes back "they think it's bullshit", the NSA dumps fifty gigabytes of everything a search turned up "placename, Russia" in on you.

ECHELON is rumored to have accomplished essentially nothing it was set out to do but wound up doing all sorts of other shit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

Also, like everything else, the FBI, CIA, DIA and NSA all have turf wars so there's endless redundancy and it's not difficult for an administration to get the intelligence it wants to see. Which is a funny lesson nobody seems to ever recall about the [insert fuckup here] the agencies played along until it was time to turn on the administration.

The advantage to the average American of the CIA is that they've been publicly burned before by the Congress, so they tended to be much more careful about staying within certain boundaries in the years after the Church Committee. The War on Terror started to reverse that. Protecting us.

The NSA not only got less than a slap on the wrist, but the DNI directly lied to Congress and kept his job. (Snowden claims this is why he whistleblew.)