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[Mandark]

From here I think Sanders just gets on a roll. I don't think there's nearly as much resistance to him within the party as pundits or social media addicts would imagine, and if people are seeing you throw a victory party every week they're liable to just jump on board.

hahaha look at this dumb motherfucker

[Cindi Mayweather]

Hm, with these Sanders losses honestly a lot of his arguments have gone out of the window. Things like curating new voters. That definitely didn't happen.

Will have to see how it impacts the races on March 10.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Bloomber at 18.8

Sanders 28.7

Biden 17

In cali.

RIP Revolution.

[Cindi Mayweather]

Bloomber at 18.8

Sanders 28.7

Biden 17

In cali.

RIP Revolution.

I've been reading crazy stats of the voters in that race and...Latinos really, really want them some Sanders. I knew this from anecdotal in real life evidence. But seeing something like 90 percent of young latino voters going Sanders is a massive wow moment. Makes you wonder if any will turn out for Biden in Nov.

[bdoughty]

Reuters went Biden on Biden yesterday.



There are three mistakes in the caption/photo. See if you can catch them all.

[Mandark]

Hm, with these Sanders losses honestly a lot of his arguments have gone out of the window. Things like curating new voters. That definitely didn't happen.

Will have to see how it impacts the races on March 10.

There are a whole bunch of arguments towards Sanders being 1) uniquely electable and/or 2) able to pass his agenda that are not aging well.

Note those aren't arguments about his actual platform being superior to eg Biden's, but being right doesn't get you any prizes.

[benjipwns]

Bloomber at 18.8

God I hope Bloomberg stays viable in Texas too.

  You're trapped in here with us now Mike.

[Cindi Mayweather]

Hm, with these Sanders losses honestly a lot of his arguments have gone out of the window. Things like curating new voters. That definitely didn't happen.

Will have to see how it impacts the races on March 10.

There are a whole bunch of arguments towards Sanders being 1) uniquely electable and/or 2) able to pass his agenda that are not aging well.

Note those aren't arguments about his actual platform being superior to eg Biden's, but being right doesn't get you any prizes.

Americans don't care about platform.

Another thing to learn from this is the turn out. Before today I thought conclusively that Biden can't beat Trump. But the turn out for him is massive. I think he can.

The problem is there is one obstacle for Biden going forward: his weakness - debates. Bernie will try to pound him on the 15th. And if Biden clenches the nom, I think Biden will lose to Trump's bullying. But given this turnout I wonder if they'll come out to ride for Biden anyways.

I mean, if his platform is shit and they're voting for him, maybe they don't even care if he bombs debates. Trump bombed debates and still won. If they rally that much behind Biden then he may still eke out a W.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Kornacki just basially said Sanders loses the night even with a landslide in Cali.

They're no longer talking demographics though.

:

[benjipwns]

Another thing to learn from this is the turn out. Before today I thought conclusively that Biden can't beat Trump. But the turn out for him is massive. I think he can.

Slow your roll there, just to pick a state that's larger and near 100% results, Biden currently is sitting at 36% of what Trump got in Massachusetts. Trump lost MA 60-33.

edit: he's also sitting far below both Hillary and Bernie last time, with a total D turnout that looks about the same

[bdoughty]

Biden Harris 2020 baby yeahhhhhhh!!!!!! Can you fuckin feel it

I feel an L for the D with that lineup.

[ShutUp]

I go out for a couple hours and come back to this. A lot of you are fucking pathetic. Especially james. I'm sorry your guy lost some races tonight. Get the fuck over it. The kind of shit you're saying about Warren supporters in particular is garbage. No one was owed their votes.

Where'd you go? a Biden rally?

You 86 IQ clown, you're a pretentious Nintex knockoff without the goofball appeal of the original. Fuck off and stop crowding out posts from people who have something useful to offer. I'd rather read James' misogyny-drenched rants than whatever you try to pass off as contributions.

You never have anything insightful to offer and yet keep puking all over the site. No matter how many times you change names to hide it.

[Cindi Mayweather]

Another thing to learn from this is the turn out. Before today I thought conclusively that Biden can't beat Trump. But the turn out for him is massive. I think he can.

Slow your roll there, just to pick a state that's larger and near 100% results, Biden currently is sitting at 36% of what Trump got in Massachusetts. Trump lost MA 60-33.

Hm, thanks for the caution. I was too Texas biased in that post. Can you compare turnout metrics for us state by state race and year by year?

*bats eyes*

[Mandark]

Of course Biden can beat Trump. Could lose to him too. It'll come down to the same five or so states as last time. Turnout looks to be up but not quite to 2008 levels, which is encouraging but not determinative.

[benjipwns]

Well, even though Texas obviously isn't in more than 71% in we can look at it and see just how far the gap is versus a general election, not even a Presidential one.

2020 D Primary:
Biden - 460,807   
Sanders - 436,928   
Bloomberg - 241,585   
Warren - 177,626   
Buttigieg - 78,954   
Klobuchar - 40,968

2016 D Primary
Clinton - 936,004
Sanders - 476,547

2016 Presidential Election
Trump - 4,685,047
Clinton - 3,877,868
Johnson - 283,492

2018 Senate Election
Cruz - 4,260,553
O'Rourke - 4,045,632

2016 R Primary
Cruz - 1,241,118
Trump - 758,762
Rubio - 503,055
Kasich - 120,473
Carson - 117,969
Jeb! - 35,420 (Declared Winner)

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/fleshandbrand/status/1235076888558632962

[benjipwns]

If Joe's lead doesn't get too much bigger in Texas, and Bloomberg stays just viable, he and Benard are basically walking away with nearly the same amount of delegates. Even though Joe "won" with this "massive turnout" supposedly.

This was the argument a week ago for why Bernie wasn't going to end it all on Super Tuesday so nobody should concede anything to him. Nothing's changed except they get to mark a bunch of states in Joe's color because he came in first, often barely* from looking at a lot of these states.

*because of the way the D's allocate delegates, a ten point win in Minnesota with a third candidate viable is way less huge than say, NC where he won by 18 and only him and Bernard are viable.

[Cindi Mayweather]

Well, even though Texas obviously isn't in more than 71% in we can look at it and see just how far the gap is versus a general election, not even a Presidential one.

2020 D Primary:
Biden - 460,807   
Sanders - 436,928   
Bloomberg - 241,585   
Warren - 177,626   
Buttigieg - 78,954   
Klobuchar - 40,968

...

2016 D Primary
Clinton - 936,004
Sanders - 476,547

Well, it's not lower turnout. If you combine the non Biden and Sanders votes there's still a total of additional 539,133 votes‬ without all the votes in. Which, when combined with Biden's votes is more than Hillary's 2016 total.

The real story here is that Sanders has a less votes in 2020 than in 2016 (although still counting).

[benjipwns]

Interesting to me is how much Amy dropped in Minnesota. She was polling at 30% last week. She dropped out YESTERDAY and is only getting 5%. (Pete was at 7% he's getting 1% there.)

I'm way used to the old days when I grew up where you had to send a letter with a guy to the convention so he could drop you out because even a telegraph message would be too slow.

[Cindi Mayweather]

Interesting to me is how much Amy dropped in Minnesota. She was polling at 30% last week. She dropped out YESTERDAY and is only getting 5%.

I'm way used to the old days when I grew up where you had to send a letter with a guy to the convention so he could drop you out because even a telegraph message would be too slow.

She was way, way less viable than we were led to believe even in her home state

[Cindi Mayweather]

Bernie having around the same amount of voters, and actually less than 2016, isn't good for him. It shows he hasn't truly grown his base in Texas. All this despite all the canvassing and base expansion arguments.

[bdoughty]

Guy who old people like... lady who identity politicians like.... it's a wrap. Stick a fork in Drumpf, he done

Trump replaces Pence with James Woods. Blowout!

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1234686446474186752

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Chris Hayes is getting jacked up, fuck. You can see his biceps through his suite. That's like cuomo level.

[benjipwns]

Biden was only polling at 8% in Minnesota last week, he's got 39% of the vote! That's like almost perfect Amy-Pete handover.

Last Week: Amy+Biden+Pete = 45%
Super Tuesday: Amy+Biden+Pete = 45.2%

[benjipwns]

PROJECTED JOEMENTIUM

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damn, I totally underprojected:

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/cmclymer/status/1235060426599092224

She still hasn't won a state.

[bluemax]

https://mobile.twitter.com/tromano/status/1235032845359300608

[Cauliflower Of Love]

PROJECTED JOEMENTIUM

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damn, I totally underprojected:
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Congrats Joe, you're back to where you started.

Biden 2020!

It took the entire Democratic class to make up one bernie.

The reaction is so lopsided.

[Cindi Mayweather]

https://twitter.com/cmclymer/status/1235060426599092224

She still hasn't won a state.

Why the fuck are Warren supporters jacking themselves off with sexism arguments? It's the same shit that happened with Hillary. I cannot fucking GODDAMN wait for a woman to become president for people to finally fucking stop blaming sexism for that candidates failures. God DAMN.

[team filler]

From here I think Sanders just gets on a roll. I don't think there's nearly as much resistance to him within the party as pundits or social media addicts would imagine, and if people are seeing you throw a victory party every week they're liable to just jump on board.

edit: quoting a Mandark post and just repeating everything he said. will meditate on this

[benjipwns]

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Biden is viable in Cali!

[Mandark]

Bernie having around the same amount of voters, and actually less than 2016, isn't good for him. It shows he hasn't truly grown his base in Texas. All this despite all the canvassing and base expansion arguments.

He polled lower than he did in 2016 and got fewer votes in the early states too.

Of course the argument was there were more candidates, but if he'd really been electorally strong then there wouldn't have been that many candidates pulling away so many voters. They would have been winnowed out early or stuck in the 1-2% range.

[benjipwns]

Democratic presidential candidate Mike Bloomberg will reassess on Wednesday whether he should stay in the race after getting disappointing results in Super Tuesday primaries despite spending more than a half billion dollars on his three-month campaign.

A person close to the Bloomberg campaign confirmed the deliberations. The person wasn’t authorized to discuss the matter by name and requested anonymity. Bloomberg flew back to New York after campaigning Tuesday in Florida, a state that votes March 17 and where he’s already spent millions.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BUT MY EPIC TWEET

[Cauliflower Of Love]

You know, I think Biden really wanted to run a Sanders-esque campaign where he doesn't have to rely on friends and favors from outside money, and finally realized it wasn't going to happen and just reverted to old school politics.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1235083828927979520

I just wanted to post these Amy emotes. 

[Cindi Mayweather]

It's tough to say but my candidate may not be viable. We will have to see how he performs against Biden in the rust belt. If he loses those I see him bowing out graciously.

Not hard is it, Warren stans?

[benjipwns]

The Movie Blob and PoliEraElites are epic Warren fans. So I just assume anyone who supports her has similar views.

Wait, what are Occam's views on Elizabeth Warren?

[TVC15]

I could live with Diamond Joe.

[Mandark]

It's tough to say but my candidate may not be viable. We will have to see how he performs against Biden in the rust belt. If he loses those I see him bowing out graciously.

Not hard is it, Warren stans?

good point no bernie stans will be making any excuses

[benjipwns]

[Cindi Mayweather]

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1235083828927979520

I just wanted to post these Amy emotes. 

wow this is such a shocking statistic

/s

[Mandark]

Epic accounts like the Horsewhisperer have also been going overtime on Twitter, don't even follow that trash account but the Twitter algorithm has been pushing him onto my feed.

You gotta keep that shit on Latest Tweets, man.

[Tripon]

Those Warren articles were written after she tanked hard in both Iowa and New Hampshire. I could almost excuse Iowa because you never really know what those guys want other than be wined and dined and pretend they're special. New Hampshire? She's from a neighboring state and she should know the retail politics to get people to vote for her.

Sometimes people aren't into you. If you think it's sexism, that's fine I guess. It could also be that progressives understand on a whole that they're still a small part of the party (when they even want to participate) and quickly picked around their preferred candidate in Bernie Sanders instead of deciding late.

[Cindi Mayweather]

It's tough to say but my candidate may not be viable. We will have to see how he performs against Biden in the rust belt. If he loses those I see him bowing out graciously.

Not hard is it, Warren stans?

good point no bernie stans will be making any excuses

Oh, I'm sure many will.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

You know, I think Biden really wanted to run a Sanders-esque campaign where he doesn't have to rely on friends and favors from outside money, and finally realized it wasn't going to happen and just reverted to old school politics.

Was Biden getting some key endorsements worse than when Sanders got the entire Squad to endorse him right after the heart attack? If so, why?

Huh? How are they comparable? 


A few freshman reps vs political industry

[benjipwns]

New Hampshire? She's from a neighboring state and she should know the retail politics to get people to vote for her.

They also don't like it being assumed that they'll vote for Massachusetts politicians just because it's nearby and all reporters know about from the area. Sometimes they'll vote for neighbors (John Kerry, Howard Dean, Paul Tsongas) and sometimes they won't (Scott Brown, Mitt Romney, Elizabeth Warren) depending on other factors.

[benjipwns]

The % of precincts reporting from Texas went backwards from 73% to 69%, what is this some kind of sexist joke Texas? How dare you!

[Cindi Mayweather]

(Image removed from quote.)

Imagine being this hurt, you mentally deficient cornball. Please kill yourself and stop being so tied to your forum identity as an absolute bottom feeding clown.

You went to jail? What happened dude? You okay man?

[benjipwns]

Soon after Pete Buttigieg endorsed Joe Biden for president on Monday night, top Biden advisers Greg Schultz and Sheila Nix were on the phone with about 40 Buttigieg bundlers asking them to join the team, too.

The call, arranged within hours of Buttigieg’s departure of the race, was aimed at recruiting Buttigieg’s most passionate fundraisers looking for their next act in the presidential race. And it’s part of a bigger behind-the-scenes push, running in parallel to the string of prominent public endorsements flowing Biden’s way, urging Democrats that now is the time to unite behind the former vice president.

In addition to further coalescing supporters of the other moderate candidates in the 2020 race, the Biden campaign needs the donors’ cash to air more ads, hire more staff and compete with Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Mike Bloomberg in upcoming primary states. Biden reaped an explosion of cash after winning the South Carolina primary on Saturday, but before that, neither Biden nor his super PAC booked any advertising in Super Tuesday states until late last week, while some of his rivals had been airing ads for over a month.

Buttigieg released the names of his bundlers last December, and Biden staffers are reaching out to donors one-by-one off of that list, according to one former Buttigieg donor. And in turn, some Buttigieg donors are already actively participating in the recruitment effort: Alex Slater, a Buttigieg bundler turned Biden backer, emailed other Buttigieg donors Tuesday morning asking them to put aside the pain of Buttigieg’s dropout and join up.

“I respect that — it’s barely 24 hours since Pete conceded, and each candidate has legitimate merits. Also, who wants to be proven wrong twice? These are very legitimate positions,” Slater wrote in the email, which POLITICO obtained. “But listening to many of you I have personally come to the belief that the political moment deserves action and conviction. That’s why I’m firmly following Pete’s lead in endorsing Vice President Joe Biden, joining to support his campaign and asking you to consider doing the same.”

“Although the vice president wasn't our first choice, he represents the kind of politics that Pete represents,” said John Atkinson, a Democratic bundler who supported Buttigieg. Atkinson and Mark Ishaug, another Buttigieg donor, hosted Monday night's call between the Biden advisers and the Buttigieg bundlers, which was organized by Nix and Becky Carroll, a member of Buttigieg's policy team.

Atkinson is now backing Biden, he said. Other prominent Buttigieg fundraisers who are now supporting Biden include former ambassador to Switzerland Suzan LeVine and her husband, Eric; hedge fund manager Orin Kramer, an early supporter of Obama; and event planner Bryan Rafanelli, who planned events for the Obama White House.

"I don’t believe we can win with Bernie. So now we need to step in the ring with Joe, and go," said Rafanelli, who added he had already gotten requests for a pro-Biden event in Boston. "The burden is now on the Biden campaign to swiftly organize all of us and thank us and pull us in."

"For Pete donors, there are three levels of thinking right now,” said one Buttigieg bundler who called himself “Biden-curious.” “One, a full-throated support for Biden now, joining his national finance committee; two, supporting Biden, but not bundle for him because you're exhausted; or three, I need a minute to mourn.”

Charles Adams Jr., a fundraiser for Buttigieg’s campaign who lives in Geneva, said he was “slightly taken aback” to wake up on Monday to an email from a former Buttigieg fundraiser who had already switched her allegiance to Biden, and was sharing information on how to donate.

“I thought it would be appropriate to give it a few days” before supporting another candidate, Adams said.

[Transhuman]

Can you stop fucking derailing plz?

This isn't resetera bud.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

You know, I think Biden really wanted to run a Sanders-esque campaign where he doesn't have to rely on friends and favors from outside money, and finally realized it wasn't going to happen and just reverted to old school politics.

Was Biden getting some key endorsements worse than when Sanders got the entire Squad to endorse him right after the heart attack? If so, why?

Huh? How are they comparable? 


A few freshman senators vs political industry

The Squad are all members of the House, not the Senate.

Shosh keeps insisting that you're a policy wonk, and then you do shit like this.

oh no a typo.

[benjipwns]

Cindi, as an example of what I was talking about regarding the delegates and how close Biden/Sanders still are in Texas, POLITICO has of the delegates so far out of it at:
Biden - 49
Sanders - 49
Bloomberg - 4

Massachusetts is 34 Biden, 26 Sanders, 17 Warren.

The Biden haul is coming from OK, AK, TN, AL, NC, and VA. Any minor Biden leads in TX and MA are cancelled out by Bernie's leads in VT and CO. The hope for Bernie is that California is such that it erases more of that Southern bulge. Minnesota is definitely a bad one though, Amy had mostly kept candidates away from it so it was her vs. Sanders and then she made it a Biden state overnight.

[OnlyRegret]

https://twitter.com/cmclymer/status/1235060426599092224

She still hasn't won a state.

Why the fuck are Warren supporters jacking themselves off with sexism arguments? It's the same shit that happened with Hillary. I cannot fucking GODDAMN wait for a woman to become president for people to finally fucking stop blaming sexism for that candidates failures. God DAMN.

To some people it's all aesthetics, any criticisms about Harris's prosecution record and Buttigieg's well, lots of things, were irrelevant compared to the look.
Same crowd of people that unironically celebrate more female execs in the mili-indus complex. Or long for the nostalgia of the Obama days where everything was peachy.

[OnlyRegret]

Can you stop fucking derailing plz?

lmfao

You’re such a fucking bitch, dude. Imagine being so triggered that you have to PM and get personal because of shit i posted in here. You’re so fucking spineless and can’t actually converse with someone. Like I said, kill yourself.

Just ignore the forum heel.

[Tuckers Law]

Your couples spat is worse than any Nintex post in here.

[Mandark]

https://www.businessinsider.com/california-25-congressional-district-special-election-live-results-vote-counts-2020-3

[benjipwns]

https://www.businessinsider.com/california-25-congressional-district-special-election-live-results-vote-counts-2020-3

"Vote for the Lackey!"

/dadjoke

[Transhuman]

Warren is a snake for not dropping out and endorsing, but Pete and Amy are snakes for doing that? Endorsements from junior House reps don't matter? What's the guiding principle here?

It's almost as if 100% of your process arguments are just motivated reasoning.

You should have just said that instead of sending bitter pm's

[Tripon]

Soon after Pete Buttigieg endorsed Joe Biden for president on Monday night, top Biden advisers Greg Schultz and Sheila Nix were on the phone with about 40 Buttigieg bundlers asking them to join the team, too.

The call, arranged within hours of Buttigieg’s departure of the race, was aimed at recruiting Buttigieg’s most passionate fundraisers looking for their next act in the presidential race. And it’s part of a bigger behind-the-scenes push, running in parallel to the string of prominent public endorsements flowing Biden’s way, urging Democrats that now is the time to unite behind the former vice president.

In addition to further coalescing supporters of the other moderate candidates in the 2020 race, the Biden campaign needs the donors’ cash to air more ads, hire more staff and compete with Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Mike Bloomberg in upcoming primary states. Biden reaped an explosion of cash after winning the South Carolina primary on Saturday, but before that, neither Biden nor his super PAC booked any advertising in Super Tuesday states until late last week, while some of his rivals had been airing ads for over a month.

Buttigieg released the names of his bundlers last December, and Biden staffers are reaching out to donors one-by-one off of that list, according to one former Buttigieg donor. And in turn, some Buttigieg donors are already actively participating in the recruitment effort: Alex Slater, a Buttigieg bundler turned Biden backer, emailed other Buttigieg donors Tuesday morning asking them to put aside the pain of Buttigieg’s dropout and join up.

“I respect that — it’s barely 24 hours since Pete conceded, and each candidate has legitimate merits. Also, who wants to be proven wrong twice? These are very legitimate positions,” Slater wrote in the email, which POLITICO obtained. “But listening to many of you I have personally come to the belief that the political moment deserves action and conviction. That’s why I’m firmly following Pete’s lead in endorsing Vice President Joe Biden, joining to support his campaign and asking you to consider doing the same.”

“Although the vice president wasn't our first choice, he represents the kind of politics that Pete represents,” said John Atkinson, a Democratic bundler who supported Buttigieg. Atkinson and Mark Ishaug, another Buttigieg donor, hosted Monday night's call between the Biden advisers and the Buttigieg bundlers, which was organized by Nix and Becky Carroll, a member of Buttigieg's policy team.

Atkinson is now backing Biden, he said. Other prominent Buttigieg fundraisers who are now supporting Biden include former ambassador to Switzerland Suzan LeVine and her husband, Eric; hedge fund manager Orin Kramer, an early supporter of Obama; and event planner Bryan Rafanelli, who planned events for the Obama White House.

"I don’t believe we can win with Bernie. So now we need to step in the ring with Joe, and go," said Rafanelli, who added he had already gotten requests for a pro-Biden event in Boston. "The burden is now on the Biden campaign to swiftly organize all of us and thank us and pull us in."

"For Pete donors, there are three levels of thinking right now,” said one Buttigieg bundler who called himself “Biden-curious.” “One, a full-throated support for Biden now, joining his national finance committee; two, supporting Biden, but not bundle for him because you're exhausted; or three, I need a minute to mourn.”

Charles Adams Jr., a fundraiser for Buttigieg’s campaign who lives in Geneva, said he was “slightly taken aback” to wake up on Monday to an email from a former Buttigieg fundraiser who had already switched her allegiance to Biden, and was sharing information on how to donate.

“I thought it would be appropriate to give it a few days” before supporting another candidate, Adams said.

What Pete phase are we on right now? Phase 4, phase 5?