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« Reply #6540 on: June 03, 2017, 12:09:40 PM »
We French have always been talented at making ourselves look good.

Is that a popular opinion of the French? 
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« Reply #6541 on: June 03, 2017, 12:41:53 PM »
RACIAL SLUR TIME WITH BILL MAHER
http://www.vulture.com/2017/06/bill-maher-called-himself-the-n-word-on-real-time.html
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Honestly having been called a distinguished black fellow with a hard R in the south as well as KKK country Michigan (Howell)...who gives a shit. I can differentiate between that and a bad joke.

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« Reply #6542 on: June 03, 2017, 01:17:48 PM »
maher's already kinda trash though

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« Reply #6543 on: June 03, 2017, 03:55:48 PM »
I'll always like Maher regardless of his capacity to say dumb shit.

The difference is between racism and racial insensitivity.  Racism can come with attempts at polite language such as using urban as a euphemism, racial insensitivity doesn't necessarily come from a bad place but can make people uncomfortable so should be avoided most of the time. Obviously using the n word is an extreme example.
I do think that comedians should get a lot of latitude as long as they're not preaching hate.  Of course everyone is a comedian these days and you end up with white guys missing the point of a Chris Rock routine and using it as permission to use the n word.

The thing about Bill Maher that I probably should find unforgivable is that the way he talks about Islam is so broad that it gives cover to bigots and xenophobes.  Honestly he crosses into that territory himself and I just don't like to admit it.
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« Reply #6544 on: June 03, 2017, 05:24:14 PM »
My issue with Maher is he hasn't told a good joke in years and his audience laps it up. I'm not sure the roundtable setup he has works for anything except smug chirps back and forth. If he took the concept, removed that fucking audience, and acted as moderator with 2-3 guests then it'd be a better show.

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« Reply #6545 on: June 04, 2017, 12:11:53 AM »
http://time.com/4804457/london-attack-donald-trump-travel-ban/

Yet he never really said anything directly about the Portland attack.  SMH what a piece of shit. 
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« Reply #6546 on: June 04, 2017, 12:26:27 AM »
Only cares when white people are attacked, not when they're doing the attacking, BECAUSE HE AND HIS ENTIRE FUCKING ADMINISTRATION ARE WHITE SUPREMACIST ASSHOLES. :maf
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« Reply #6548 on: June 04, 2017, 12:35:54 AM »
is that a real fucking quote?  lord.
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« Reply #6549 on: June 04, 2017, 12:38:00 AM »
My issue with Maher is his fucking face

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« Reply #6550 on: June 04, 2017, 02:02:12 AM »
http://time.com/4804457/london-attack-donald-trump-travel-ban/

Yet he never really said anything directly about the Portland attack.  SMH what a piece of shit.

Once it started circulating on the right wing outlets and Fox that he supported Bernie he kinda said something.  :trumps


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« Reply #6551 on: June 04, 2017, 02:41:14 AM »
HOT TAKE:  Goldwater's overrated, and the way people talk about his vote on the CRA (he reluctantly and even painfully opposed it Because Of His Principles) is skeevy.

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« Reply #6552 on: June 04, 2017, 03:11:19 PM »
Gallup watch, Trump at 36%. I believe this matches an all-time low for him.

You know in movies when they have a scene where some guy in the middle (usually the villain or antagonist) is being ganged up on? And he's acting all indignant and lashing out, not realizing he's making his situation worse? Before they kill him or at least beat the crap out of him? Like Scar at the end of Lion King. That's Trump.
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« Reply #6553 on: June 04, 2017, 03:57:58 PM »
Isn't Trump's base still in love with him though? Like nearly 90% or something?

I feel like until Republicans start leaving in solid numbers he is safe from any bi-partisan collapse onto him.

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« Reply #6554 on: June 04, 2017, 04:28:16 PM »
Economist/YouGov poll had this...(Not paying for Gallup/Rasmussen crosstabs on their tracking polls)
Strongly/Somewhat approve: 38%
Strongly/Somewhat disapprove: 51%

D/R/I
Strongly/Somewhat approve: 14%/79%/31%
Strongly/Somewhat disapprove: 82%/17%/48%

35% of Republicans and 26% of Democrats consider Iraq to be an enemy
18% and 45% for Russia
13% and 9% for Saudi Arabia

10% of everybody thinks South Korea is an enemy

only 2% correctly identify Canada

people 65 and over approve of Trump's tweeting more than people under 35

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« Reply #6555 on: June 04, 2017, 04:34:49 PM »
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only 2% correctly identify Canada
That has to be a mistake...

Or is that a joke? :doge

Yes, joke. Never mind. :doge
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« Reply #6556 on: June 04, 2017, 06:30:39 PM »
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/336172-dems-want-hillary-clinton-to-leave-spotlight
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Democrats say they’d like Hillary Clinton to take a cue from former President Obama and step out of the spotlight.

They say her string of remarks explaining her stunning loss in November coupled with the public remarks blaming the Democratic National Committee for the defeat — which many took as also critical of Obama — are hurting the party and making the 2016 candidate look bitter.

The Hill interviewed more a dozen Democrats about Clinton’s remarks, including many staunch Clinton supporters and former aides.
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Longtime aides and advisers say she will not run for public office again, and that she feels liberated to finally speak her mind. They anticipate that Clinton will keep discussing the election, particularly to promote her upcoming book, which is expected to be published this fall.

“She's saying the same stuff she would say on a phone call with me,” said one former aide, who worked on the 2016 campaign. “And I think she'll continue to have a national dialogue on what needs to be fixed.”

Some Democrats say Clinton is better off laying low.

“I'm not sure there is a political strategy here,” said Democratic strategist Brad Bannon. “It sounds to me like more of a personal strategy.

“Complaining about an outcome and blaming everyone else is not a good political strategy,” Bannon added.

Jamal Simmons, a Democratic strategist, acknowledged some frustration among Democrats over Clinton’s remarks.

“Some people I know are just frustrated that it's happening,” he said. “She is a national hero and a great public servant and has the right to be upset."

But Simmons added that if she's going to discuss the loss, “it would be nice to hear a little more about the things she did wrong, which I believe mattered more than what she has discussed.”
The Hill should probably ask a dozen more people to comment on these comments about Hillary.

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« Reply #6557 on: June 04, 2017, 06:37:05 PM »
HOT TAKE:  Goldwater's overrated, and the way people talk about his vote on the CRA (he reluctantly and even painfully opposed it Because Of His Principles) is skeevy.
Goldwater, along with Mark Hatfield, are maybe my two favorite Senate Republicans post-WWII but even I feel like he'd tell you privately to use your noggin over that vote. He voted for every other Civil Rights Act except for the one that was in the news just as he was trying to win the GOP nomination on the backs of an energized conservative movement that was staunchly opposed to it?

IIRC, it's not the only bill his voting record takes a sharp "social conservative" turn on suddenly that year only to revert back on post-election.

Kinda like Johm McCain 40 some years later.

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« Reply #6558 on: June 04, 2017, 06:49:28 PM »
https://twitter.com/JoshuaHol/status/870986991562883072
is that a real fucking quote?  lord.
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« Reply #6559 on: June 05, 2017, 01:29:41 AM »
When I saw this, I knew it would trigger on so many levels.

Jimmy Dore using Tucker Carlson blasting a Dem Congressman on the Russian narrative.




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« Reply #6560 on: June 05, 2017, 02:01:25 AM »
Goldwater, along with Mark Hatfield, are maybe my two favorite Senate Republicans post-WWII but even I feel like he'd tell you privately to use your noggin over that vote. He voted for every other Civil Rights Act except for the one that was in the news just as he was trying to win the GOP nomination on the backs of an energized conservative movement that was staunchly opposed to it?

IIRC, it's not the only bill his voting record takes a sharp "social conservative" turn on suddenly that year only to revert back on post-election.

Kinda like Johm McCain 40 some years later.
That gets to the heart of what I mean. Goldwater's held up as emblematic of a lost conservatism of deeply held philosophical principles, in contrast with the current version that's been corrupted by some nasty cultural resentments, as if the "energized conservative movement" of the time wasn't deeply intertwined with the backlash against the the advances in civil rights.

His CRA vote gets excused or even praised cause it was so deeply gut-wrenching for him to harm other people who weren't him or his constituency, but god dammit he had to cause of his Principles. It's not as bad as the Bill Buckley fandom, but I find it pretty grody.

Also, let's not pump up his civil rights record outside of that. The earlier acts were pretty famously toothless, and after he re-joined the Senate he had multiple did-not-votes on extensions of the Voting Rights Act. His record might be better than almost anyone else who could be plausibly claimed by movement conservatism, but that's more an indictment of them than a point in his favor.

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« Reply #6561 on: June 05, 2017, 02:57:14 AM »
That gets to the heart of what I mean. Goldwater's held up as emblematic of a lost conservatism of deeply held philosophical principles, in contrast with the current version that's been corrupted by some nasty cultural resentments
Hey buddy, he didn't write the Conscience of a Conservative, that was Brent Bozell*! What's next? Smearing somebody just because they put their name on stuff Lew Rockwell wrote?!?

(*The dad of MRC guy which you probably knew but I add for others.)

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« Reply #6562 on: June 05, 2017, 03:03:45 AM »
I'm watching this Jimmy Dore guy, there's something about the production values of these that are strangely enticing and he seems like a nice enough guy, but he's never going to topple Jason Unruhe with taking twenty minutes to tell a four minute story. Especially without any great outfits.

I feel like I should find a video of this and one of that open shirt/leather jacket Trump guy who sits in front of his plants that are on the same topic and start them at the same time and create some kind of metapolitical synthesis.

I wonder what the audience is for this kind of thing other than losers like me. Jimmy Dore that is. I already posted how that other guy is making some crazy epic bank somehow.

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« Reply #6563 on: June 05, 2017, 03:23:50 AM »
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« Reply #6564 on: June 05, 2017, 04:50:13 AM »
first Obama's apology tour now this


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« Reply #6565 on: June 05, 2017, 07:38:58 AM »
I'm watching this Jimmy Dore guy, there's something about the production values of these that are strangely enticing and he seems like a nice enough guy, but he's never going to topple Jason Unruhe with taking twenty minutes to tell a four minute story. Especially without any great outfits.

I feel like I should find a video of this and one of that open shirt/leather jacket Trump guy who sits in front of his plants that are on the same topic and start them at the same time and create some kind of metapolitical synthesis.

I wonder what the audience is for this kind of thing other than losers like me. Jimmy Dore that is. I already posted how that other guy is making some crazy epic bank somehow.
Jimmy Dore has evolved to the highest tier of comedian. Sitting on a stage, pointing at Tweets on a projection screen.

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« Reply #6566 on: June 05, 2017, 09:27:14 AM »
Goldwater, along with Mark Hatfield, are maybe my two favorite Senate Republicans post-WWII but even I feel like he'd tell you privately to use your noggin over that vote. He voted for every other Civil Rights Act except for the one that was in the news just as he was trying to win the GOP nomination on the backs of an energized conservative movement that was staunchly opposed to it?

IIRC, it's not the only bill his voting record takes a sharp "social conservative" turn on suddenly that year only to revert back on post-election.

Kinda like Johm McCain 40 some years later.
That gets to the heart of what I mean. Goldwater's held up as emblematic of a lost conservatism of deeply held philosophical principles, in contrast with the current version that's been corrupted by some nasty cultural resentments, as if the "energized conservative movement" of the time wasn't deeply intertwined with the backlash against the the advances in civil rights.

His CRA vote gets excused or even praised cause it was so deeply gut-wrenching for him to harm other people who weren't him or his constituency, but god dammit he had to cause of his Principles. It's not as bad as the Bill Buckley fandom, but I find it pretty grody.

Also, let's not pump up his civil rights record outside of that. The earlier acts were pretty famously toothless, and after he re-joined the Senate he had multiple did-not-votes on extensions of the Voting Rights Act. His record might be better than almost anyone else who could be plausibly claimed by movement conservatism, but that's more an indictment of them than a point in his favor.

Is there anything conservatives enjoy more than praising/historically revising the cowardice of Conservative Heroes on race? Just think, in 40 years Benji's son will write a popular novel on Paul Ryan risking his political career to uplift poor black/brown people.
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« Reply #6567 on: June 05, 2017, 10:22:05 AM »
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/05/trump-nato-speech-national-security-team-215227

Trump's speech at NATO was supposed to have explicit commitment to article 5. He decided on his own to drop the remark without informing Mathis, McMaster and Tillerson.
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« Reply #6568 on: June 05, 2017, 10:40:04 AM »
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/05/trump-nato-speech-national-security-team-215227

Trump's speech at NATO was supposed to have explicit commitment to article 5. He decided on his own to drop the remark without informing Mathis, McMaster and Tillerson.
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« Reply #6569 on: June 05, 2017, 12:24:17 PM »
These anonymously sourced, leak based stories are just a distraction from the real scandal- the conspiracy to murder Seth Rich.
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« Reply #6570 on: June 05, 2017, 12:31:25 PM »
Holy hell at the Trump statement about leaving the climate deal. He's really that dumb, isn't he ?
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« Reply #6571 on: June 05, 2017, 12:35:28 PM »
Holy hell at the Trump statement about leaving the climate deal. He's really that dumb, isn't he ?

Whatchu talkin bout? He's bigly smart! It's not like we're talking about someone that would go out and undermine his own Justice dept, which had tried to downplay the "ban" in the travel ban for weeks, or anything...

WAIT SHIT

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/trump-criticizes-own-travel-ban

Occam's razor suggests that he's really just a walking amygdala, completely incapable of doing anything but spouting shit constantly.
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« Reply #6572 on: June 05, 2017, 12:46:18 PM »
Also, his continued doubling-down on attacking the mayor of London, wtf. What a piece of shit.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/871725780535062528
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« Reply #6573 on: June 05, 2017, 02:42:39 PM »
Fuck him.  One of the worst humans alive right now.
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« Reply #6575 on: June 05, 2017, 05:14:10 PM »


Thanks for reminding me of that, good lord.
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« Reply #6576 on: June 05, 2017, 05:57:21 PM »
Kellyanne Conway's husband now putting Trump on blast for his London tweets, too.  His own Goebbels family is even publicly criticizing him.

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« Reply #6577 on: June 05, 2017, 06:46:49 PM »
 I remember that description of Trump wandering around the White House in a robe, lonely and dejected. I imagine that situation has not improved.

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« Reply #6578 on: June 05, 2017, 06:50:10 PM »
I remember that description of Trump wandering around the White House in a robe, lonely and dejected. I imagine that situation has not improved.

He's the Beast from Transmetropolitan ?
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« Reply #6579 on: June 05, 2017, 06:51:59 PM »
Actual hacking of actual election from actual Russian military intelligence, let's wait for etoilet to explain how it all doesn't matter, tho...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/nsa-russian-hacking-election-officials

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Just a few days before the 2016 presidential election, Russian military intelligence hackers targeted a Florida voting software company and more than 100 local election officials, according to a highly classified National Security Agency report obtained by The Intercept and verified by CBS News.
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« Reply #6580 on: June 05, 2017, 07:23:41 PM »
anonymous sources

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« Reply #6581 on: June 05, 2017, 07:24:11 PM »
NSA employees: less time leaking, more time returning my emails pls  :'(
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« Reply #6582 on: June 05, 2017, 07:25:54 PM »
anonymous sources

qed

Nah, they actually caught the leaker this time. She's been charged and her name proves we're living in a Pynchon novel.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/stevenperlberg/a-federal-government-contractor-has-been-charged-with?utm_term=.mu6o8B8Boa#.sklp7M7Mp1

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Earlier Monday, The Intercept reported that a top-secret National Security Agency document detailed that Russian election-related hacking went further — and happened closer to the 2016 election — than previously acknowledged by the government.

Reality Leigh Winner, 25, was arrested by the FBI at her home on Saturday and appeared in federal court in Augusta on Monday afternoon, DOJ said in a statement.

Winner is a contractor with Pluribus International Corporation who held top secret clearance, according to the statement.

Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?
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« Reply #6583 on: June 05, 2017, 08:03:23 PM »
What did she win?

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« Reply #6584 on: June 05, 2017, 08:09:50 PM »
What did she win?

10 years.

Winner of "America's Dumbest Leakers."


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« Reply #6585 on: June 05, 2017, 08:18:57 PM »
Actual hacking of actual election from actual Russian military intelligence, let's wait for etoilet to explain how it all doesn't matter, tho...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/nsa-russian-hacking-election-officials

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Just a few days before the 2016 presidential election, Russian military intelligence hackers targeted a Florida voting software company and more than 100 local election officials, according to a highly classified National Security Agency report obtained by The Intercept and verified by CBS News.

Since I think you might be touched, I'll explain:

Never denied that Russia would attempt cyberwarfare. I said that I think all major players in the world are engaged in cyberwarfare. This was an attempted hack of voting. This sort of attack was discussed back around the election as well. The claim here is that it was more expansive than previously reported.

So nothing ended up being hacked and it has nothing to do with Trump or wikileaks.

Basically, we had it reaffirmed that countries engage in hacking attempts against each other. We did use Stuxnet after all.(And I certainly prefer non lethal hacking to proxy wars.)

I guess the interesting thing is if this was a fake doc set up as a trap to catch who was leaking. We'd never know and I doubt it matters.

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« Reply #6586 on: June 05, 2017, 08:30:54 PM »
Actual hacking of actual election from actual Russian military intelligence, let's wait for etoilet to explain how it all doesn't matter, tho...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/nsa-russian-hacking-election-officials

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Just a few days before the 2016 presidential election, Russian military intelligence hackers targeted a Florida voting software company and more than 100 local election officials, according to a highly classified National Security Agency report obtained by The Intercept and verified by CBS News.

Since I think you might be touched, I'll explain:

Never denied that Russia would attempt cyberwarfare. I said that I think all major players in the world are engaged in cyberwarfare. This was an attempted hack of voting. This sort of attack was discussed back around the election as well. The claim here is that it was more expansive than previously reported.

So nothing ended up being hacked and it has nothing to do with Trump or wikileaks.

Basically, we had it reaffirmed that countries engage in hacking attempts against each other. We did use Stuxnet after all.(And I certainly prefer non lethal hacking to proxy wars.)

I guess the interesting thing is if this was a fake doc set up as a trap to catch who was leaking. We'd never know and I doubt it matters.

Can't help but reach for that Infowars-esque speculation can you?  :lol

She emailed the Intercept from her work desktop. They were able to track who accessed the documents. It didn't require some elaborate sting operation. She is just dumb.
 

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« Reply #6587 on: June 05, 2017, 08:32:52 PM »
but Seth Rich tho
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« Reply #6588 on: June 05, 2017, 08:39:12 PM »
etiolate's razor
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« Reply #6589 on: June 05, 2017, 08:41:25 PM »
I doubt that you're allowed near razors, bub.

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« Reply #6590 on: June 05, 2017, 09:20:51 PM »
Any speculation on whether she likes black guys?
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« Reply #6591 on: June 05, 2017, 09:33:14 PM »

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« Reply #6592 on: June 05, 2017, 10:50:59 PM »
Any speculation on whether she likes black guys?

I guess the interesting thing is if this was set up as a trap to catch PD making thirsty comments about a thick white women online. We'd never know and I doubt it matters.
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« Reply #6594 on: June 05, 2017, 11:53:59 PM »
Withdrawing from the Paris Accords is probably the most idiotic policy decision I have witnessed a president do in my lifetime of following politics other then the Iraq War.

Not even a hot-take, I honestly have tried to come up with some things that are more idiotic and can't think of it.

Trump is pretty much gauging his success on how much he can please the lowest common denominators in American politics. And that is pretty much the only angle his decision makes sense(mixed with narcissism). That or he really is mentally losing it or just lacks the capacity to make even basic economic/geopolitical cost/benefit analysis.






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« Reply #6595 on: June 06, 2017, 01:38:27 AM »
I wasn't old enough to be cognisant of H.W. policies and was only in middle school while Clinton was leaving office, but I distinctly remember March 2003 when we entered the Iraq war. My high school history teacher (who I had a great deal of respect for), while we were watching bombs being dropped on Baghdad live, told the class "America is fucking up".
 
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We the students knew at the time it was a big deal, even if we didn't understand the ramifications quite yet.

Trump leaving the Paris Agreement has a similar feeling, yeah.

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« Reply #6596 on: June 06, 2017, 01:41:46 AM »
Withdrawing from the Paris Accords is probably the most idiotic policy decision I have witnessed a president do in my lifetime of following politics other then the Iraq War.

Not even a hot-take, I honestly have tried to come up with some things that are more idiotic and can't think of it.

Trump is pretty much gauging his success on how much he can please the lowest common denominators in American politics. And that is pretty much the only angle his decision makes sense(mixed with narcissism). That or he really is mentally losing it or just lacks the capacity to make even basic economic/geopolitical cost/benefit analysis.

What's the rest of the Republican politicians' excuses that have been pushing for the withdrawal?

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« Reply #6597 on: June 06, 2017, 02:00:27 AM »
Withdrawing from the Paris Accords is probably the most idiotic policy decision I have witnessed a president do in my lifetime of following politics other then the Iraq War.

Not even a hot-take, I honestly have tried to come up with some things that are more idiotic and can't think of it.

Trump is pretty much gauging his success on how much he can please the lowest common denominators in American politics. And that is pretty much the only angle his decision makes sense(mixed with narcissism). That or he really is mentally losing it or just lacks the capacity to make even basic economic/geopolitical cost/benefit analysis.

What's the rest of the Republican politicians' excuses that have been pushing for the withdrawal?

Their depression in having a leader like this has turned them into glib, servile shells that will follow along with everything but commit to nothing. If the dumbass-in-charge fucks up, they'll support and defend him but they'll fold if you ask them to expend their own political capital. Why do you think Trump can't fill all those vacancies? Nobody WANTS to work under him.

Which explains why Trump has such goddamn delicate skin.

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« Reply #6599 on: June 06, 2017, 07:55:26 AM »
Withdrawing from the Paris Accords is probably the most idiotic policy decision I have witnessed a president do in my lifetime of following politics other then the Iraq War.

Not even a hot-take, I honestly have tried to come up with some things that are more idiotic and can't think of it.

Trump is pretty much gauging his success on how much he can please the lowest common denominators in American politics. And that is pretty much the only angle his decision makes sense(mixed with narcissism). That or he really is mentally losing it or just lacks the capacity to make even basic economic/geopolitical cost/benefit analysis.

What's the rest of the Republican politicians' excuses that have been pushing for the withdrawal?
Inherited from Obama, so bad by default. They can't very well act like it was fine now that he's gone.

And if Trump thinks he can negotiate something better to appear as the ace deal maker, then he's probably not had the patience to have it explained to him in the first place. He probably just listened as far as "you can just announce you're not doing it and it's done" and latched onto that.

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Even the most cursory review of the text of the Paris Agreement discloses a careful, purposeful alternation between the mandatory “shall”—indicating a binding obligation governed by international law—and the hortatory “should”—non-binding statements of strictly political intent without legal force. Indeed, the U.S. delegation held up the closing minutes of the conference that adopted the Paris Agreement over the should/shall distinction in an important provision of the Agreement addressing the need for developed country parties to undertake increasingly ambitious emissions reductions goals over time.

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An over-reliance on a non-binding approach—and its costs—are most obvious in the all-important emissions reduction (mitigation) obligations known as “nationally determined contributions (NDCs)” identified by each participating state including the United States.  In its contribution—expressly not a “commitment”—the U.S. stated its intent to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 26-28% by 2025, as compared to a baseline of 2005.  Despite the willingness of other participants, most notably the 28-member European Union, to accept substantively binding obligations, the U.S. insisted on a non-binding undertaking instead of a binding commitment on this most critical of all elements in the Paris Agreement. In the end, under the Paris Agreement as adopted all NDCS have the same international legal character and are not binding as to result.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/paris-agreement-climate-change-legitimate-exercise-executive-agreement-power
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