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I wonder how many people are going to die from not getting their mail in meds on time as Trump and the Republicans go out of their way to destroy it in the 1% chance it might help them win an election they should get completely blown out in.

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I wonder how many people are going to die from not getting their mail in meds on time as Trump and the Republicans go out of their way to destroy it in the 1% chance it might help them win an election they should get completely blown out in.

A number of people, including senior citizens get their prescriptions though the mail, and I'm sure more have started doing it during the pandemic.

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https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1293998272756015106

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So basically Nancy, Chuck and Mitch handed the keys over to Kudlow, Trump and Mnuchin in what is quite likely the most critical moment since the collapse of Lehman Brothers.  :doge
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I wonder how many people are going to die from not getting their mail in meds on time as Trump and the Republicans go out of their way to destroy it in the 1% chance it might help them win an election they should get completely blown out in.

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Had the Democrat majority in 2008 reversed the 2006 law that created this mess, we'd be fine. Instead, Obummer stood by and watched as our ballots went into the trash can
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Seeing a story from Iowa that they're having their mail sorting equipment removed :notlikethis (HT chronovore)

What the fuck are these unions doing? Take over.
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Seeing a story from Iowa that they're having their mail sorting equipment removed :notlikethis (HT chronovore)

What the fuck are these unions doing? Take over.
Don't worry they'll sort the mail in Moscow  ;)
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You know what. Kara, you're right about not voting.

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Is there really a difference in the fascism? There's Trump's fascism and then there's the carcerality of Harris, which is really just another form of slavery.

I would say there is a difference, just to be clear. I chose a comparison between the ruler of all of a Hell equivalent and a being charged with protecting its border to try and illustrate that. (borders require a certain flexibility that distant capitals do not) Poorly it appears now, however.

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The point I was trying to make is: if you feel very conflicted about the Democratic Party ticket in a given year and you live in a state where the results of the election are a formality, why bother twisting yourself into knots about what to do when you can just say, "No thank you," and go about your life? Existing Democratic Party leadership sure doesn't have sleepless nights about it.

The only reasons I can think of to still vote are:

1. You belong to a group that was historically disenfranchised. (Because of this I try not to dissuade women from voting anywhere, for example.) No matter how pointless the election is your participation in it is a vindication of struggles that took too long and cost more than they ever should have to win. For me personally this doesn't resonate very much, but Jewish emancipation is a bit of a mess, and possibly not so much actualized as it was resolved by giving us our own place to be assholes in.

2. You think it's important that your decision be reflected in the popular vote. That means something, but I'd also point out that the Democratic Party has recently lost 2 elections in which they won the popular vote and their solution to that problem was what exactly? These results aren't going to fuel a (peaceful) political revolution to correct the inequity in the system, they appear to have merely provided a pretext to chase after voters with some of the worst politics in the country.

That said, I also pointed out that this year looks to be very different. It's possible that whomever wins gets so few votes that they have even less legitimacy than a president who wins in a normal ~55% turnout year. If you live in a state that prioritizes voter suppression and you belong to the dominant minority, I think it's worth contemplating that this year your vote might count. Of course if you live in such a state voting also probably means risking your life and / or long-term health and I can think of few things less deserving of those than a U.S. federal election.

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whoever's running the democratic party doesn't seem to give two fucks about democracy or the voting process despite how much it would benefit them, so i'm having a real hard time giving a shit myself
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whoever's running the democratic party doesn't seem to give two fucks about democracy or the voting process despite how much it would benefit them, so i'm having a real hard time giving a shit myself

Remember when Puerto Rico voted to be a state and Obama said lol i don't give a fuck
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whoever's running the democratic party doesn't seem to give two fucks about democracy or the voting process despite how much it would benefit them, so i'm having a real hard time giving a shit myself
umpteenth time you've posted something along these lines and I genuinely want to know, are you aware that the whole left wing media apparatus is laser focused on the post office right now? It's a major pillar of the election propaganda.
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| RIP Cain Train #pizzagate
« Reply #67934 on: August 13, 2020, 04:49:32 PM »
A lot of the arguments for Kamala right now remind me that I'm still not a Democrat and this is only a temporary alliance between the two of us to oust Drumpf.

It's funny how so many Democrats describe Drumpf and Republicans as a literal death cult with a cult-like mentality that adhere to its leader with zero accountability, but a lot of the criticism for Kamala by Dems is being seen as a threat, support for Drumpf or outright non voting. The emperor wears no clothes, unless it's your emperor it seems, truly showing Democrats to be just as cultish as Republicans. One week it's "we need to hold Drumpf accountable", the next week it's "we can hold Biden and Kamala accountable once they're elected" and "can it wait till November?"

If I had less sense of civic duty I would simply choose to not vote this year. After 2020, going forward, that might be the best option sans down ballot tickets and giving people I support a boost.
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whoever's running the democratic party doesn't seem to give two fucks about democracy or the voting process despite how much it would benefit them, so i'm having a real hard time giving a shit myself

So what is your suggestion for fixing this since voting is a state level process and in the south where voting is disenfranchised the most, republicans control state houses which govern this and democrats only control the house on the federal level?

Protest more? Talk about it constantly more?


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whoever's running the democratic party doesn't seem to give two fucks about democracy or the voting process despite how much it would benefit them, so i'm having a real hard time giving a shit myself

So what is your suggestion for fixing this since voting is a state level process and in the south where voting is disenfranchised the most, republicans control state houses which govern this and democrats only control the house on the federal level?

Protest more? Talk about it constantly more?

Again, the democrats had a super majority in 2009.

They could have repealed the 2006 post office defunding law.

They did not.

They could have made PR and DC states.

They did not.

They could have funded the IRS to go after tax frauds like Trump, crippling the GOP funding base.

They did not.

They like being the out of power opposition party. More money to be made.
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whoever's running the democratic party doesn't seem to give two fucks about democracy or the voting process despite how much it would benefit them, so i'm having a real hard time giving a shit myself

So what is your suggestion for fixing this since voting is a state level process and in the south where voting is disenfranchised the most, republicans control state houses which govern this and democrats only control the house on the federal level?

Protest more? Talk about it constantly more?

Again, the democrats had a super majority in 2009.

They could have repealed the 2006 post office defunding law.

They did not.

They could have made PR and DC states.

They did not.

They could have funded the IRS to go after tax frauds like Trump, crippling the GOP funding base.

They did not.

They like being the out of power opposition party. More money to be made.

And there would still be the exact same disenfranchisement with one racist party in the south doing what they have always done. Also your answer to the question I asked about a problem is to go back in time. Because you don't actually care about the issue. Which is fine.  The last part is so dumb I won't even address it.
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New Michael Cohen book says Trump did Golden Showers in Vegas.

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/08/13/michael-cohen-trump-golden-showers.html

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whoever's running the democratic party doesn't seem to give two fucks about democracy or the voting process despite how much it would benefit them, so i'm having a real hard time giving a shit myself

So what is your suggestion for fixing this since voting is a state level process and in the south where voting is disenfranchised the most, republicans control state houses which govern this and democrats only control the house on the federal level?

Protest more? Talk about it constantly more?

Again, the democrats had a super majority in 2009.

They could have repealed the 2006 post office defunding law.

They did not.

They could have made PR and DC states.

They did not.

They could have funded the IRS to go after tax frauds like Trump, crippling the GOP funding base.

They did not.

They like being the out of power opposition party. More money to be made.

And there would still be the exact same disenfranchisement with one racist party in the south doing what they have always done. Also your answer to the question I asked about a problem is to go back in time. Because you don't actually care about the issue. Which is fine.  The last part is so dumb I won't even address it.

Who gives a shit about the south if the Ds can guarantee a permanent majority with DC and PR? Let them eat their peaches.

Lets not pretend this doesnt happen every election.

IE, NJ dems: Elect us and we will immediately pass a millionaires tax and legalize pot!

*dems get elected*

"oh did we say that? we don't remember saying that. What do you mean we ran ads about that? Woops our bad"
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weren't the nj dems blaming pubs for blocking them from raising min wage to $15  :thinking then they got control and forgot all about it  :lol
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I know we aren't fans of Nintex tier fan fiction here but it's my dream for AOC and like minded politicians with actual conviction to start a new party and dust the Republicans and Democrats. But it won't happen.

As per Politico:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-political-science-parties-gop-republican-democratic-213937
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whoever's running the democratic party doesn't seem to give two fucks about democracy or the voting process despite how much it would benefit them, so i'm having a real hard time giving a shit myself

So what is your suggestion for fixing this since voting is a state level process and in the south where voting is disenfranchised the most, republicans control state houses which govern this and democrats only control the house on the federal level?

Protest more? Talk about it constantly more?

Again, the democrats had a super majority in 2009.

They could have repealed the 2006 post office defunding law.

They did not.

They could have made PR and DC states.

They did not.

They could have funded the IRS to go after tax frauds like Trump, crippling the GOP funding base.

They did not.

They like being the out of power opposition party. More money to be made.

And there would still be the exact same disenfranchisement with one racist party in the south doing what they have always done. Also your answer to the question I asked about a problem is to go back in time. Because you don't actually care about the issue. Which is fine.  The last part is so dumb I won't even address it.

Who gives a shit about the south if the Ds can guarantee a permanent majority with DC and PR? Let them eat their peaches.

Lets not pretend this doesnt happen every election.

IE, NJ dems: Elect us and we will immediately pass a millionaires tax and legalize pot!

*dems get elected*

"oh did we say that? we don't remember saying that. What do you mean we ran ads about that? Woops our bad"

Puerto Rico has a population of 3 million. Which basically makes it Utah. And DC has a population under a million. Which basically makes it rhode island. That would help on Senate or House issues but adding another Utah & Rhode Island to the electoral college doesn't mean very much in the super scope of things.  You also don't like to address that republicans actively and aggressively do to suppress voting where ever they control state legislatures which is a worse thing by far than not completing a tasklist of promised things to do that no politicans ever completely fulfill. And it all isn't in the deep bad South although they do the worst and dirtiest shit there. It's the border states also like Arizona or Florida which is a swing state. Like I said, you don't care about the issue. It's all oh everybody does dirty shit so it doesn't matter instead of saying one party in this country actively and aggressively disenfranchises voters especially if they are black. And that's cool. Because that's America.
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"It's all oh everybody does dirty shit to you instead of saying one party in this country actively and aggressively disenfranchises voters especially if they are black. "

Black turnout in 2016 dropped from 66% in 2012 to 59%. Hillary Clinton didn't treat BLM as legitimate and while activists begged for acknowledgement she refused to recognize them.

After 50 years of catering the black vote, what is their fruit?

Both disenfranchise black people.

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Speaking of disenfranchisement and both parties, Code Switch had a great podcast and article on this specific issue.

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/13/890416712/kamala-joe-and-the-fissures-in-the-base
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whoever's running the democratic party doesn't seem to give two fucks about democracy or the voting process despite how much it would benefit them, so i'm having a real hard time giving a shit myself
umpteenth time you've posted something along these lines and I genuinely want to know, are you aware that the whole left wing media apparatus is laser focused on the post office right now? It's a major pillar of the election propaganda.

i am aware, but i said the democratic party, not the media

whoever's running the democratic party doesn't seem to give two fucks about democracy or the voting process despite how much it would benefit them, so i'm having a real hard time giving a shit myself

So what is your suggestion for fixing this since voting is a state level process and in the south where voting is disenfranchised the most, republicans control state houses which govern this and democrats only control the house on the federal level?

Protest more? Talk about it constantly more?



well those two options would certainly help if they had funding and organization from party leaders, yes. there are also loads of proposals from activists out there make voting easier, combat gerrymandering, etc etc that dems frequently ignore. and i completely reject the idea that they shouldn't be talking about this stuff unless it's something with a clear path to victory. talking about it and organizing around it at all times keeps people engaged, keeps ideas flowing, whatever. but instead, as with so many other topics in the party, the leaders chose to ignore it.
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I'll respond once here because I happened to see your post after I logged out but I have you on block Cindi so most of the time I don't see your posts so I couldn't quote it back to directly respond to. I won't apologize for it. I have issues with you and don't really want to see most of what you post. Not to be rude but for me you did something after the election, that I'll never unblock you for. Not that it matters or that you should care but I'll respond to this for one second since I saw it and made a few posts in this particular thread which I normally don't and it would be a bit rude to ignore in this case.

Disenfranchisement are actual procedural impediments to having people vote. They can be old school like poll taxes. Adding new laws to make it harder to vote. Reducing voting times and hours or locations, etc.

If a group of people aren't excited to vote for somebody that is an issue of engagement or excitement, or not addressing issues relevant to them. That is not disenfranchisement in the way the word is generally used. Kanye West isn't disenfranchising anybody for example. Nobody just cares about what that dumbass has to say. Those are two separate things. The fact that Hillary didn't draw more blacks to the polls isn't because she disenfranchised them. That is a different issue although its fine to discuss that specific issue. And i would argue Joe Biden would have drawn no more himself in 2016 if he had run as I feel people are more motivated to vote now for reasons outside of the candidate this go around but that's just a personal opinion with no factual backing.

With that said, I'm out.

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If Black people wanted things to get better maybe they should have voted for Bernie

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damn james you always know the right thing to say
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dude pours bleach in his cheerios you can only expect so much
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| RIP Cain Train #pizzagate
« Reply #67953 on: August 13, 2020, 06:37:06 PM »
This year though, who knows. I think ~40% turnout is possible thanks to the ruling party having a vested interest in suppressing the vote.

Absolutely not.

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New Michael Cohen book says Trump did Golden Showers in Vegas.

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/08/13/michael-cohen-trump-golden-showers.html

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That's all Cohen has?  :idont
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| RIP Cain Train #pizzagate
« Reply #67955 on: August 13, 2020, 06:42:51 PM »
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I hope you're right, Mandark!

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the 2018 turnout was 46% if you use voting age population as a denominator, 50% if you use voting eligible population

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Now do the COVID-19 numbers for 2018.

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Would an aborted census affect voter turnout calculation? Not sure where these numbers normally come from on non-census years.
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Voter turnout numbers are garbage.

I worked on a report once that looked at a bunch of small cities in nj. Small being like 417 people. Their voter rolls had like 900 people. Not fraud, it's just the dead people don't get removed.

So turnout was 110 over 900 instead of over 417
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Would an aborted census affect voter turnout calculation? Not sure where these numbers normally come from on non-census years.
Voter registrations.

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https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1291865959368724480

Might have to follow her Twitter. Sell me on the ticket, Kamala.  Fight for my vote despite Trump.
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Voter registrations.
During a pandemic I'd imagine there'd be a lot less same day registrations.
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why would voter registration be used to calculate VAP



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why would voter registration be used to calculate VAP
VAP? I thought you wanted Voters Above Replacement Persons stats

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With regards to turn-out looking at r/unemployment it's tough out there and those people are done with politicians in general.
So the question is, will they even vote or are they able to vote?

The can't donate money to political campaigns and the US media doesn't really focus on these unemployment stories or the lower classes in general.
Trump shored up his voter base with the EO's, those that still have jobs and benefit from tax cuts but even the Democrats had very little to offer these people in their proposals.

Joe Biden and the Democrats are far removed from the people in need in online Q&A's organized by organizations that are generally well off (Silicon Valley, media conglomerates in New York etc.).
The people at the bottom feel abandoned by both parties, Congress and the Senate but could well be the voters Joe needs to win in November.
Of course it's hard to reach out to these people so it's much easier to simply ignore them again which seems to be happening.
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https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/08/is_kamala_harris_eligible_to_be_joe_bidens_vp.html
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But not so fast.  Harris is constitutionally ineligible to be VPOTUS (12th Amendment) or POTUS (Article 2).  She is not — nor can she ever be — a natural born citizen, the highest standard of citizenship mandated by the Constitution for the president and commander-in-chief.  The Founding Fathers wanted a higher standard of citizenship for the POTUS because they did not want any competing allegiances with foreign governments.

Harris was born in Oakland, California on October 20, 1964, to an Indian citizen mother and a Jamaican citizen father.  Thus, Harris is a native-born American citizen, or a citizen pursuant to what I refer to as the anchor baby provision of the 14th Amendment.
https://www.newsweek.com/some-questions-kamala-harris-about-eligibility-opinion-1524483
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So before we so cavalierly accept Senator Harris' eligibility for the office of vice president, we should ask her a few questions about the status of her parents at the time of her birth.

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the guy who wrote the newsweek article ran for california ag in 2010 (which harris won) but didn't make it out of the primary

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lol, that's the first time I heard of native born citizens.

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Btw Trump has already brought that up today I believe, Birtherism 2.0

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pretty sure there's only one group of people that would satisfy that definition of natural born citizen

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