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« Reply #960 on: October 02, 2017, 11:22:07 AM »
So because of some of the people I know, I have a weird glimpse into the world of someone who deals with groups of weirdos commenting and making videos about them every day. In this context it's all very creepy and sexist and they deal with trolls and harassment on a constant basis.

Obviously I'm not necessarily comparing that to the stuff happening here - but it's still weirds me out seeing us just post this dudes twitter posts without comment. To him I bet we look like the same kind of weird creeps and it kinda bothers me a little?

Just my two cents.
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« Reply #961 on: October 02, 2017, 11:27:12 AM »
I suppose you're right, we should probably make a separate enthusiast thread like for YUM! Brands.

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« Reply #962 on: October 02, 2017, 11:48:33 AM »
This is bannable, really?!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=250586402&postcount=201

Dunno if it should be bannable, but it's clearly low-effort trolling/ flamebait.

Yeah, 20 bucks is too much. Sells for 5$ at most these days.

So I guess all those "HD Remasters" should be free then? Those are even more low effort ports of even older games after all...

That's just not how business works. Porting a year old game to a completely new platform is time consuming and expensive, especially if it requires touched up assets. Nobody is going to put that kind of effort into a project to pretty much give it away for free. Hell, the material and logistics costs of a physical copy exceed $5. So it's pretty much either this or nothing. "I'd prefer nothing then"? Then don't buy it. I know I won't, I got the PC version for $20, but I'm not going to decide what other people should be able to purchase if they so desire.

I bet most people bitching about the price are ones that had no intention to buy it in the first place.

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« Reply #964 on: October 02, 2017, 12:03:38 PM »
This is bannable, really?!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=250586402&postcount=201

Dunno if it should be bannable, but it's clearly low-effort trolling/ flamebait.

Yeah, 20 bucks is too much. Sells for 5$ at most these days.

So I guess all those "HD Remasters" should be free then? Those are even more low effort ports of even older games after all...

That's just not how business works. Porting a year old game to a completely new platform is time consuming and expensive, especially if it requires touched up assets. Nobody is going to put that kind of effort into a project to pretty much give it away for free. Hell, the material and logistics costs of a physical copy exceed $5. So it's pretty much either this or nothing. "I'd prefer nothing then"? Then don't buy it. I know I won't, I got the PC version for $20, but I'm not going to decide what other people should be able to purchase if they so desire.

I bet most people bitching about the price are ones that had no intention to buy it in the first place.

Well they will obviously have no intentions to buy it at that price.






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« Reply #965 on: October 02, 2017, 12:06:15 PM »
GAF's biggest worry and issue after 60 people were killed and 500 more were injured is that...the shooter isn't being called a terrorist because he's not brown. 


Priorities, brehs  :doge

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« Reply #966 on: October 02, 2017, 12:18:08 PM »
GAF's biggest worry and issue after 60 people were killed and 500 more were injured is that...the shooter isn't being called a terrorist because he's not brown. 


Priorities, brehs  :doge

you're being a little disingenuous. how this story is covered dictates the narrative surrounding it.  framing it has just a rando allows people to put it in the back of their minds, framing it as terrorism gives it weight.

that's not even getting into the societal ramifications of why we don't frame it as terrorism
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« Reply #967 on: October 02, 2017, 12:26:22 PM »
This is bannable, really?!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=250586402&postcount=201

Dunno if it should be bannable, but it's clearly low-effort trolling/ flamebait.

Yeah, 20 bucks is too much. Sells for 5$ at most these days.

So I guess all those "HD Remasters" should be free then? Those are even more low effort ports of even older games after all...

That's just not how business works. Porting a year old game to a completely new platform is time consuming and expensive, especially if it requires touched up assets. Nobody is going to put that kind of effort into a project to pretty much give it away for free. Hell, the material and logistics costs of a physical copy exceed $5. So it's pretty much either this or nothing. "I'd prefer nothing then"? Then don't buy it. I know I won't, I got the PC version for $20, but I'm not going to decide what other people should be able to purchase if they so desire.

Look man, i don't give a crap. I just love to annoy people.

The whole idea of buying games like these on a Nintendo device is just hilarious. Either you only own a Switch or you choose to use it instead of a PC(or PS4 and Xbone) for those games. Anyway, it's some bizarre shit.
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« Reply #968 on: October 02, 2017, 12:41:10 PM »
GAF's biggest worry and issue after 60 people were killed and 500 more were injured is that...the shooter isn't being called a terrorist because he's not brown. 


Priorities, brehs  :doge

you're being a little disingenuous. how this story is covered dictates the narrative surrounding it.  framing it has just a rando allows people to put it in the back of their minds, framing it as terrorism gives it weight.

that's not even getting into the societal ramifications of why we don't frame it as terrorism

1. Officials in Vegas have repeatedly used the phrase "international terrorism" that they felt the suspect had nothing to do with, which leaves open the possibility that he will be called a domestic terrorist should they find some type of political reasoning behind this

2. White people have been labelled terrorists when they've shown to have a political background to their attacks (Eric Rudolph, Tim McVeigh, a multitude of all the wacky shit going on in the 60s and 70s), and someone like Chris Dorner was not labelled as a terrorist despite having a full on manifesto declaring war on the LAPD.


My point is GAF is more concerned about THE OPTICS than, you know, the biggest mass shooting in American history.

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« Reply #969 on: October 02, 2017, 12:42:44 PM »
*Papers shuffle*

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« Reply #970 on: October 02, 2017, 12:43:18 PM »
https://twitter.com/bobbyrobertspdx/status/914867911205908480


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« Reply #971 on: October 02, 2017, 12:45:00 PM »
Please, help me ignore this terrible tragedy: can I get a Bobby update?

https://twitter.com/bobbyrobertspdx/status/914562534341885952

We get to see part of his nerbo toy collection in this one:
https://twitter.com/bobbyrobertspdx/status/914267995895078912

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« Reply #972 on: October 02, 2017, 12:45:24 PM »
It's pretty telling that when I turned on the TV this morning for the news and heard the host ask, "Is there any history of mental illness?" I was like "Oh, so the shooter was white."
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« Reply #973 on: October 02, 2017, 01:07:02 PM »
Can you guys agree that you kinda should do something about those moronic gun laws and permits?

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« Reply #974 on: October 02, 2017, 01:07:46 PM »
Uhoh, cat's out of the bag now!

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« Reply #975 on: October 02, 2017, 01:26:23 PM »
Can you guys agree that you kinda should do something about those moronic gun laws and permits?
Not gonna happen.

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« Reply #976 on: October 02, 2017, 01:28:40 PM »



My point is GAF is more concerned about THE OPTICS than, you know, the biggest mass shooting in American history.
There is a shooting in America every week, you want people to get shocked about it?

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« Reply #977 on: October 02, 2017, 01:29:23 PM »
Can you guys agree that you kinda should do something about those moronic gun laws and permits?
We didn't beat the Nazi's the last time by giving them our guns. Just bullets.

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« Reply #978 on: October 02, 2017, 01:34:39 PM »



My point is GAF is more concerned about THE OPTICS than, you know, the biggest mass shooting in American history.
There is a shooting in America every week, you want people to get shocked about it?

Did I fucking say that?






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« Reply #979 on: October 02, 2017, 01:53:56 PM »
Can you guys agree that you kinda should do something about those moronic gun laws and permits?

If innocent childen getting gunned down couldn't spark a change, nothing will.

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« Reply #980 on: October 02, 2017, 01:58:04 PM »
Can you guys agree that you kinda should do something about those moronic gun laws and permits?

To busy in trying to see if calling it terrorism or mental illness will make people and  politicians care either way.

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« Reply #981 on: October 02, 2017, 02:00:57 PM »
It's hard to get the ball rolling when there are more guns than people in the country

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« Reply #982 on: October 02, 2017, 02:03:23 PM »
hey guys what have I missed

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« Reply #983 on: October 02, 2017, 02:04:17 PM »
wow wouldn't expect such an ignorant mistake like this from GOG, this will probably be as disastrous as when they fake shut down:

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« Reply #984 on: October 02, 2017, 02:13:47 PM »
GAF's biggest worry and issue after 60 people were killed and 500 more were injured is that...the shooter isn't being called a terrorist because he's not brown. 


Priorities, brehs  :doge

you're being a little disingenuous. how this story is covered dictates the narrative surrounding it.  framing it has just a rando allows people to put it in the back of their minds, framing it as terrorism gives it weight.

that's not even getting into the societal ramifications of why we don't frame it as terrorism

I think that my issue with this is that people start to "normalize" terrorism as a throwaway term than give it weight to the tragedy. Some of you guys seem to forget the Bush years very fast.

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« Reply #985 on: October 02, 2017, 02:17:00 PM »
ITS FUCKING LUCASFILM NOT DISNEY, HOLY FUCK YOU STUPID ASSHOLES GET IT RIGHT DISNEY BASICALLY HAS ZERO SAY IN STAR WARS!!!!  IT IS ALL LUCASFILM!!!11111

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« Reply #986 on: October 02, 2017, 02:19:31 PM »
The Vegas thing will go exactly like every shooting/bombing/etc. It'll become a semantics game where instead of coming up with solutions, people will argue about what the shooter should be defined as and the right call him a lone wolf, blame mental illness and downplay the need for gun control and the left will use this to demonize "white people" in the same way the right demonizes muslims and mexicans as if that solves anything. Nothing will be solved and political chess pieces will continue to get moved ad finitum.

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« Reply #987 on: October 02, 2017, 02:20:34 PM »
ITS FUCKING LUCASFILM NOT DISNEY, HOLY FUCK YOU STUPID ASSHOLES GET IT RIGHT DISNEY BASICALLY HAS ZERO SAY IN STAR WARS!!!!  IT IS ALL LUCASFILM!!!11111

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« Reply #988 on: October 02, 2017, 02:51:22 PM »
To him I bet we look like the same kind of weird creeps and it kinda bothers me a little?

But that's the whole gag!

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« Reply #989 on: October 02, 2017, 03:49:32 PM »
The Vegas thing will go exactly like every shooting/bombing/etc. It'll become a semantics game where instead of coming up with solutions, people will argue about what the shooter should be defined as and the right call him a lone wolf, blame mental illness and downplay the need for gun control and the left will use this to demonize "white people" in the same way the right demonizes muslims and mexicans as if that solves anything. Nothing will be solved and political chess pieces will continue to get moved ad finitum.

Stop talking like a sensible person. This isn't NeoGAF, damnit.

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« Reply #990 on: October 02, 2017, 04:05:49 PM »
The Vegas thing will go exactly like every shooting/bombing/etc. It'll become a semantics game where instead of coming up with solutions, people will argue about what the shooter should be defined as and the right call him a lone wolf, blame mental illness and downplay the need for gun control and the left will use this to demonize "white people" in the same way the right demonizes muslims and mexicans as if that solves anything. Nothing will be solved and political chess pieces will continue to get moved ad finitum.

Stop talking like a sensible person. This isn't NeoGAF, damnit.

Exactly, I'd get banned for saying that on GAF.  :lol

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« Reply #991 on: October 02, 2017, 04:10:34 PM »
My favorite semantic game being played is people arguing that he's not a sniper cause he fired a lot and didn't have military training.

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« Reply #992 on: October 02, 2017, 05:18:04 PM »
My favorite semantic game being played is people arguing that he's not a sniper cause he fired a lot and didn't have military training.

"as seen on TV"

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« Reply #993 on: October 02, 2017, 05:31:43 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=250715621&postcount=4502

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Americans need to arm themselves and put out a hitlist on gun lobbyists and the NRA.
Shoot them all dead.  And their families dead.  Then, maybe they'll think free access to firearms is a bad idea.  But probably not.


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« Reply #994 on: October 02, 2017, 05:47:27 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=250715621&postcount=4502

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Shoot them all dead.  And their families dead.  Then, maybe they'll think free access to firearms is a bad idea.  But probably not.
dude was banned with the quickness
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« Reply #995 on: October 02, 2017, 05:52:45 PM »
It's hard to get the ball rolling when there are more guns than people in the country


Here’s the thing I keep going back to, survey after survey will show that a majority of the public supports a number of incremental gun control measures.

Is it my ideal, no, but because of political tribalism, and I would argue structural deficiencies in how our government processes function, from redistricting, to campaign finance, to the unbalanced scale of political access, to special interest media influence, there is basically zero possibility for those consensus items to move from public consensus to actual policy(in fact we continue to move further away from those items).

I used to try and make this point on GAF, but the best long-term answer the left has at making in-roads on this topic, and many others, is by putting their manpower and grassroots organizing into efforts that address those underlying issues. Which, ironically, talking shit and organizing around institutional corruption and moneyed influence, is actually something that you can find rare unity throughout the Democratic support network.

So my critique of the GAF narrative is that while I think there is a legitimate complaint about how we cover incidents like this in the media, especially in the right-wing hemisphere, ultimately those discussions, and frankly even the gun control debates, are just pointless exercises. Because at the end of the day, even if you win those battles rhetorically - which when you think about it they have sort of already been won - those combined forces are still making the meaningful policy changes insurmountable.


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« Reply #996 on: October 02, 2017, 05:54:22 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=250715621&postcount=4502

Quote from: UberTag
Americans need to arm themselves and put out a hitlist on gun lobbyists and the NRA.
Shoot them all dead.  And their families dead.  Then, maybe they'll think free access to firearms is a bad idea.  But probably not.
dude was banned with the quickness

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=250716617&postcount=4537

guess his facetiousness wasn't that obvious

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« Reply #997 on: October 02, 2017, 06:01:32 PM »
Gaf is getting better at banning these fools. I wonder what happened to prompt it..

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« Reply #998 on: October 02, 2017, 06:06:36 PM »
Gaf is getting better at banning these fools. I wonder what happened to prompt it..


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« Reply #999 on: October 02, 2017, 06:23:19 PM »
Gaf is getting better at banning these fools. I wonder what happened to prompt it..
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« Reply #1000 on: October 02, 2017, 06:36:02 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=250715621&postcount=4502

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Americans need to arm themselves and put out a hitlist on gun lobbyists and the NRA.
Shoot them all dead.  And their families dead.  Then, maybe they'll think free access to firearms is a bad idea.  But probably not.


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« Reply #1001 on: October 02, 2017, 06:55:14 PM »
The Vegas thing will go exactly like every shooting/bombing/etc. It'll become a semantics game where instead of coming up with solutions, people will argue about what the shooter should be defined as and the right call him a lone wolf, blame mental illness and downplay the need for gun control and the left will use this to demonize "white people" in the same way the right demonizes muslims and mexicans as if that solves anything. Nothing will be solved and political chess pieces will continue to get moved ad finitum.

"Solutions" have already been found (Sensible gun control and laws, like in every fucking country), it's just that the people in charge have no interest in pursuing these solutions.

I'm not sure what the people on the net can do, they are going to talk regardless.

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« Reply #1002 on: October 02, 2017, 09:45:46 PM »
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« Reply #1003 on: October 02, 2017, 09:49:59 PM »
It's hard to get the ball rolling when there are more guns than people in the country


Here’s the thing I keep going back to, survey after survey will show that a majority of the public supports a number of incremental gun control measures.

Is it my ideal, no, but because of political tribalism, and I would argue structural deficiencies in how our government processes function, from redistricting, to campaign finance, to the unbalanced scale of political access, to special interest media influence, there is basically zero possibility for those consensus items to move from public consensus to actual policy(in fact we continue to move further away from those items).

I used to try and make this point on GAF, but the best long-term answer the left has at making in-roads on this topic, and many others, is by putting their manpower and grassroots organizing into efforts that address those underlying issues. Which, ironically, talking shit and organizing around institutional corruption and moneyed influence, is actually something that you can find rare unity throughout the Democratic support network.

So my critique of the GAF narrative is that while I think there is a legitimate complaint about how we cover incidents like this in the media, especially in the right-wing hemisphere, ultimately those discussions, and frankly even the gun control debates, are just pointless exercises. Because at the end of the day, even if you win those battles rhetorically - which when you think about it they have sort of already been won - those combined forces are still making the meaningful policy changes insurmountable.


Another issue is that the left is pretty hardcore on all or nothing, so incremental changes they won't fight for and people on the left that DO fight for incremental changes that can eventually lead to bigger changes often get ostracized for "half measures" or not caring enough. This goes for everything from health care to guns, and it's part of why shit rarely gets done about any of these issues since Dems can't unite enough around incremental changes that can change things 20 years from now in favor of immediate change.

No one wants to believe things take time to change, so in the mean time they eat their own trying to lay the ground work for change because it isn't fast enough. Meanwhile, the right stays united on all their dumb shit. America, y'all.

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« Reply #1004 on: October 02, 2017, 10:30:09 PM »
Another issue is that the left is pretty hardcore on all or nothing, so incremental changes they won't fight for and people on the left that DO fight for incremental changes that can eventually lead to bigger changes often get ostracized for "half measures" or not caring enough. This goes for everything from health care to guns, and it's part of why shit rarely gets done about any of these issues since Dems can't unite enough around incremental changes that can change things 20 years from now in favor of immediate change.

No one wants to believe things take time to change, so in the mean time they eat their own trying to lay the ground work for change because it isn't fast enough. Meanwhile, the right stays united on all their dumb shit. America, y'all.

Incremental change does get shit on as being "both sides" "moderate darling" "MLK quote" on GAF.  I hope in the real world the left doesn't go for that nonsense.
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« Reply #1005 on: October 03, 2017, 05:08:42 AM »
I think the problem with gun control (because in this case gun control wouldn't have helped since there are no mental records afaik), is that it's a very specific city-centric debate. I don't think taking guns is a good idea when you have one sheriff department for a huge surface and you might actually need to defend yourself to stop dying before they reach the scene. In the city-centric areas, there are more than enough cops, so that's why they don't get the need for guns.

So imo it's a case of what you allow in the cities. It seems to be where they manage to make the mass murders because civillians don't actually carry firearms.

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« Reply #1006 on: October 03, 2017, 06:15:31 AM »
Looking at GAF, some people seem to think guns are banned in Europe or something. They're not. If you want one, you can get one. Some countries limit what kind of guns or how many you're allowed to buy, some countries put tight restriction on who's allowed to carry guns, but it's not like they're banned outright. Most European countries have stricter gun control, but I think the mindset is far more important. In Europe, you typically buy guns for sports, hunting and collecting. Not for self defense. You never intend to point it at another human. Guns are not viewed as pieces of self expression or glorified means of power projection, they're sports equipment, tools, pieces of art or historic documents. The wild west mentality and lack of confidence in the police force in the US are probably bigger issues than the legal situation.

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« Reply #1007 on: October 03, 2017, 11:56:07 AM »
Lime thread? Lime thread.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1442189

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I thought you were white, lime. Now I'm confused.

This month he might be an aboriginal australian living in Macau, who knows.

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« Reply #1008 on: October 03, 2017, 01:02:02 PM »
Lime is transracial, shitlord.

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« Reply #1009 on: October 03, 2017, 01:03:52 PM »
Someone squeeze a lime on Lime's face to melt their mask so we can finally know who they are.

I bet it's Obesesada.
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« Reply #1010 on: October 03, 2017, 01:06:13 PM »
I think the problem with gun control (because in this case gun control wouldn't have helped since there are no mental records afaik), is that it's a very specific city-centric debate. I don't think taking guns is a good idea when you have one sheriff department for a huge surface and you might actually need to defend yourself to stop dying before they reach the scene. In the city-centric areas, there are more than enough cops, so that's why they don't get the need for guns.

So imo it's a case of what you allow in the cities. It seems to be where they manage to make the mass murders because civillians don't actually carry firearms.

:lol

Even in cities it takes cops minutes to reach the scene of a crime and depending on the makeup of that person (gender, race, lgbt?) they'll take their sweet time.
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« Reply #1011 on: October 03, 2017, 01:18:33 PM »
Can wait for the next time a gaffot makes a thread:

"TRANS WOMAN MURDERED!!!" "BLACK MAN KILLED AS GROUP KILL HIM FOR SPORT"

I can see it now.

"STOP KILLING US!!!!!" "Stop killing them!!" "I am a demisexual agender polyamorous trans woman and this makes me sad that this world doesn't want people like us!"

Ignoring that the best means of self protection for the marginalized are guns.

Then a few weeks later....

"US SHOOTING. TRAGIC BUSINESS."

"BAN GUNS. NO ONE SHOULD HAVE GUNS IN TODAY'S SOCIETY." etc etc etc

librul cognitive dissonance in action. bring them tissues, it's laughin' time.



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« Reply #1012 on: October 03, 2017, 02:32:37 PM »
I think the problem with gun control (because in this case gun control wouldn't have helped since there are no mental records afaik), is that it's a very specific city-centric debate. I don't think taking guns is a good idea when you have one sheriff department for a huge surface and you might actually need to defend yourself to stop dying before they reach the scene. In the city-centric areas, there are more than enough cops, so that's why they don't get the need for guns.

So imo it's a case of what you allow in the cities. It seems to be where they manage to make the mass murders because civillians don't actually carry firearms.
It's a much simpler explanation that also explains your noticing of a city-related pattern.

Most people don't buy guns with the intention of shooting other people, because in general most people don't have the intention to murder other people. Even in situations like Chicago, etc. where it's borderline illegal to own a gun, people participating in illegal activities generally carry because they're engaged in illegal activities and it's for self-defense as normal methods are taken off the table for them. Criminal organizations have long ago recognized that large scale violence tends to bring unwanted attention to where gang wars and gang violence dropped with crime rates, in some areas, even faster. Even The Wire wrapped an entire season and a half of plotlines around this cost-benefit analysis within a criminal organization, but it was taken like most of the show from the real world.

So even in those instances where we have people already committing illegal acts on the regular, and generally acquiring weapons illegally, there's social pressures that discourage them within their world beyond their own desire to kill or not kill fellow humans.

When someone chooses to murder especially on a mass scale, they have an extreme advantage over everyone else who operates under the standard presumption that others do not desire to murder them. Thus the general patterns of planning, stockpiling of weapons, targeting certain dates, even doing test runs, etc. A person who has thrown out the intention to not mass murder has thrown out the playbook and circumvented nearly every tripwire so they can walk into a movie theater, school, sit in a hotel, park a truck they've loaded up with a homemade bomb, etc. knowing what they intend to do which no one else does and knowing what they have access to which no one else does and knowing that they aren't participating in any sort of traditional norms. And this applies even if they're just going to kill their partner with a nail gun to the back of the head for referring to "Disney's Star Wars" or whatever.

Consider the societal mass murder of our age, 9/11, and why it worked. Prior conditioning for decades suggested that hijackings were generally used for hostage taking and the hijackers were not suicidal (and often not even overly violent) to that scale. The 9/11 hijackers had every advantage because they knew this was not the case and nobody else did. (Our air defense systems which did have planning for this did not have actual operations for anything like the immediacy needed as they couldn't know the intentions.)

Except Flight 93. Which changed the situational calculus of at least enough passengers on board to foil the hijackers plan. Arguably not because the passengers were any better armed or prepared or smarter but because it evened the playfield in terms of the knowledge of the no-win scenario they had been placed in. (Even if we go down the Alex Jones path of it being shot down or blah blah blah, it was the only of the planes that could be, because only by that time did the defense systems in place know the intentions and have the capability to react to those.) It was the hijackers who then became at a situational disadvantage.

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« Reply #1013 on: October 03, 2017, 03:29:21 PM »
Yeah, you're completely right Benji

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« Reply #1014 on: October 03, 2017, 03:34:24 PM »
Still trying to roll my eyes back properly from some of QOI's posts.
This is why we need eye control.

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« Reply #1015 on: October 03, 2017, 03:52:29 PM »
Disneys Star Wars  :maf

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« Reply #1016 on: October 03, 2017, 03:56:20 PM »
Why would you think that Disney has any say on the Star Wars franchise when any and all decisions regarding Star Wars are in purview of LucasArts, kiddo?

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« Reply #1017 on: October 03, 2017, 04:15:32 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1422806

Thread devolves insanely because JonTron cameos in the smallest of ways which means the developers are literal nazis for not taking it out.

It sucks that it took dude espousing some insanely awful views for people to realize he's ass who never deserved attention, but I'd still buy the game because he has literally no part of the actual game outside of a sentence or two.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=250758824&postcount=103
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=250759922&postcount=113
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=250812638&postcount=152

 :rofl

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« Reply #1018 on: October 03, 2017, 04:26:08 PM »
Red hats and youtubers are literally the worst thing that happened on this vile earth.

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« Reply #1019 on: October 03, 2017, 04:28:42 PM »
Pretentious Hobo hasn’t tweeted in almost a day. Do you think he’s okay? Should we file a missing persons report or something?
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