The Intellectual Wank Dad [ ot ] jordan peterson Jordan Peterson JORDAN PETERSON

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Criticism = slanderous propaganda hit pieces

Praise = well written articles

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More evidence on the attack of free speech on college campuses

suspect we've been browsing the same subreddits 

how do you guys deal with the constant tankie bickering

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https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a19834137/jordan-peterson-interview/

Long piece that's a nice counter to all the smear peaces.

Viewed another way, Peterson’s intellectual project is exceedingly immodest, and can be stated in a sentence: He aims at nothing short of a refounding of Western civilization, to provide a rational justification for why the materialists of the digital age should root themselves in the soil of Christian ethics despite having long ago lost the capacity for faith.

oh, that's all?

[Momo]

Criticism = slanderous propaganda hit pieces

Praise = well written articles

This is dumb, he can actually be slandered (as he is) and be full of shit. The thing that keeps feeding Peterson are idiots like the woman trying to catch him on TV and people writing fake news articles about him. The guy is out there telling bible stories, I cannot impress on you enough how disappointed I am when people invent things to slander him on instead of laughing at his fucking bible stories.

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More evidence on the attack of free speech on college campuses

suspect we've been browsing the same subreddits 

how do you guys deal with the constant tankie bickering

you think it has no effect but then you find yourself "well actually..."ing the Holodomor

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you think it has no effect but then you find yourself "well actually..."ing the Holodomor

BA's got your back:
http://www.thisiscommunism.org/ThisIsCommunism/Home.html
http://www.thisiscommunism.org/ThisIsCommunism/ResearchNotes.html
http://www.thisiscommunism.org/ThisIsCommunism/ChinasCulturalRevolutionExcerpt.html

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A FILM OF A TALK

From coast to coast, people have been out on campuses, gaining some experience and making beginning headway in the efforts to take the film of BA’s talk THE TRUMP/PENCE REGIME MUST GO! In The Name of Humanity, We REFUSE To Accept a Fascist America. A Better World IS Possible to campuses. Below is some correspondence on these experiences. New reports are coming in, and we will continue to post them on this page.

Right now, before the spring semester ends at many schools, is a critical time to step up the work to impact campuses with this film. “Take BA to Campus Week” begins April 30 (though in some instances it started a week earlier or will start a week later). We need to come out of this period with a deeper understanding of the mood of the students, a real presence on some critical campuses and activated cores of people who are into this film and want to see it go further, as well as people who are getting into BA and wrangling in a more overall way with the new communism. And we need growing Revolution Clubs.

There are different strengths and weaknesses to the efforts described in the correspondences below, and different things to learn from each. None of these should be seen as THE answer; all of them are actually parts of an ensemble of what revolutionary political work on campus should look like (an ensemble that would also include things like programs on the Constitution for the New Socialist Republic in North America, “HOW WE CAN WIN—How We Can Really Make Revolution”; ongoing study groups on THE NEW COMMUNISM by Bob Avakian; bringing people from those who catch the hardest hell onto the campuses while bringing students into the battles and even just the lives of the communities off-campus; broad distribution of Science and Revolution by Ardea Skybreak; and other things).

 

[Oblivion]

Criticism = slanderous propaganda hit pieces

Praise = well written articles

This is dumb, he can actually be slandered (as he is) and be full of shit. The thing that keeps feeding Peterson are idiots like the woman trying to catch him on TV and people writing fake news articles about him. The guy is out there telling bible stories, I cannot impress on you enough how disappointed I am when people invent things to slander him on instead of laughing at his fucking bible stories.

What is he getting unfairly slandered about? The Cathy Newman thing is the closest thing I can think of, and that wasn't a case of slander so much as her just being hilariously incompetent.

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to make up for the BA spam, here's some moving (or goofy or amusing or interesting or new) sections of the Esquire piece, which actually is a fairly decent primer for people wondering who the hell this guy is/why is he popular/etc. and it doesn't really "push back against smears" as much as it tries to answer that question of "why him?" by asking his fans/friends/etc. and off-hand referring to his backlash, the article isn't written to present a definitive take on Peterson as much as pursue that question, it even really barely touches on both his arguments and events like the BBC interview other than how he and his fans relate to them

the author does seem to be quite favorable to Peterson though I think his approach is a more appropriate one than actually attempting to defend him or boost him, his positive view seems to be that Peterson is helping people and that's more important than the rest of everything like the culture warrioring

it's reminding me of something like an overly long (though it is from a print magazine article) text version of that video about the Juggalo's and how they aren't a gang or terrorists just kinda offset people who bond through some rather interesting "leaders" I posted once and yes am going to search for to put in a spoiler tag at the bottom of this post because it warms my heart especially the part you already know i'm going to quote

For a moment, he resists, falling silent and still. He looks stricken. “This always breaks me up.” The tension gathers in his weather-beaten face. He flushes. The effort to hold back tears then shifts to the effort to expel them. They flow freely. The cathartic release of emotion sends a subtle tremor through his rather emaciated body. He recovers his speech. “I don’t tell people, ‘You’re okay the way that you are.’ That’s not the right story. The right story is ‘You’re way less than you could be.’”
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In these moments, Peterson is filled with frustration that so many need his message, for want of what had once been common wisdom. At the refusal to address men in the language that summons them to embrace their better instincts. (Yes, Peterson is one of those problematic figures who believe that men have a nature that is best appealed to in ways consistent with that nature.) Why has no one ever set these young men straight before? Where were their fathers? Where were their teachers? Why have they left it up to him, a YouTube personality, to roust them from their hiding places and send them out into the world?

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I met Peterson in Los Angeles on a cloudless January afternoon, accompanied by his wife of twenty-eight years, Tammy, who had quit her job as a massage therapist in 2017 to help manage her husband’s affairs. There was something faintly comic about seeing this austere, steely-haired, admonitory figure from the frozen north at the wheel of a white Miata convertible in the southern-California sun. We were on our way to the home studio of the YouTube broadcaster Dave Rubin, a former reporter for the progressive Internet news show The Young Turks and now the host of the nonpartisan Rubin Report, on which Peterson was scheduled to be interviewed alongside the conservative pundit Ben Shapiro.

We pulled up to a pleasant white suburban house and rang the bell. Rubin came to greet us. “Every time I turn my head, you’re there!”

Tammy met Peterson in 1969, when she was eight years old and he was seven. They lived across the street from each other in a small town in northern Alberta.  ...

Peterson would leave for college at the age of seventeen standing five foot seven inches tall, and return home a year later standing six foot two.

“I don’t know that he was celibate. . . .” Tammy said. “But he was always the sort that if he was going to sleep with a woman, he was going to marry her.”

I asked if she had known other guys like that.

“He was the only one.”

Peterson’s father was a nonbeliever, and his mother was a practicing Protestant. He attended church as a young boy, until he started trying to debate the priest over doctrinal contradictions.

The local librarian, who was married to the head of the NDP, Canada’s social-democratic party, identified Peterson as a young man of promise and gave him a schooling in the great books. He spent his youth as a committed socialist before growing disillusioned with the character of his fellow travelers, whom he came to regard as motivated by resentment. At the same time, he met some conservative small-business owners who earned his grudging admiration. “It produced a fair bit of cognitive dissonance for me,” he says. “Because ostensibly, I didn’t admire the conservative ethos. But I certainly admired the people.”

By thirteen, Peterson had become “very tangled up and obsessive about ideas,” and haunted by the totalitarian atrocities of the twentieth century. For years, he was plagued by vivid nightmares of a nuclear holocaust.

At McGill, Peterson says, “I split myself into two.” By day, he was a conventional graduate student researching the neurology of alcoholism. By night, he was working on a book called Maps of Meaning, an attempt to reconcile the writings of Jung with the latest neuroscience and evolutionary biology. “I wasn’t trying to write an academic book,” Peterson says. “I was trying to solve a problem: Confronted with the opportunity to become an Auschwitz guard, how can you protect yourself against saying yes? Which was the fundamental question of the twentieth century.”

I noted that while we still read the canonical thinkers who presumed to address the big questions, nobody attempted to write in such a mode anymore. “People told me that the time for the great theories in psychology is over,” he said. “I said, ‘It might be over for you, but it’s not over for me.’ ”

Then, in September of that year, Peterson posted a video stating his opposition to C-16, a Canadian bill that sought to make gender identity and expression protected categories. He argued that the law might compel people to adopt a panoply of gender-neutral pronouns, something he declared he would not do. He judged these pronouns—zie, and zir, and they, to name three of the more than seventy and growing such terms—to be the invention of “postmodern neo-Marxists” seeking to use state power to decree that gender differences were not biologically based but rather social constructions that could be made or unmade at will.

In Peterson’s telling, delivered with the flair for drama that made him a star—his reedy voice at times hesitant then suddenly propelled by bursts of moral passion—the anodyne language of “diversity, equity, and inclusion” used to justify the new law was, in fact, a Trojan horse hiding an army of the radical left seeking yet another unattainable utopia. The [Joe Rogan] interview established the template through which the public would come to regard him, by turns, as a hero of resistance to an encroaching assault on civil liberties, or an absurd Don Quixote waging war against a figment of his own imagination; a redemptive and transformative thinker, or the most problematic mansplainer of all time.

Many of these initial supporters were drawn from the male-dominated message boards of 4chan and Reddit, where a traffic in affectionate Jordan Peterson–themed memes instantly came into existence. Peterson’s odd combination of midcentury rural slang and existential exhortations spawned viral in-jokes: “Get in, Bucko. We’re rescuing your father from the Underworld,” read one. His lectures were dubbed onto videos of Kermit the Frog, a play on his somewhat Muppetlike voice.

Peterson’s fame on these subversive platforms is often used to paint him in ominous tones. “I have something in common with Nazis,” he told me, “in that I am opposed to the radical left. And when you oppose the radical left, you end up being a part of a much larger group that includes Nazis in it.” But his refusal of the consolations of group identity also puts him at odds with the alt-right. “The alt-righters would say—and they’ve said this to me directly—‘Peterson, you’re wrong. Identity politics is correct. We just have to play to win.’ I think that’s a reprehensible attitude. But I understand exactly why you would come to that conclusion.

“What I’m saying with my YouTube videos is ‘Okay, there’s a different way of playing the whole game. Forget about the bloody group-identity framework and concentrate on what you can do as an individual.’ ”

Some see the clips of Peterson’s speeches, excerpted and circulated online with fan titles such as “Jordan Peterson Debunks the Myth of White Privilege,” as a gateway drug to the sprawling red-pilled netherworld of men’s-rights activism, scientific racism, and revanchist white ethnonationalism. But Peterson sees himself as a kind of Catcher in the Rye, rescuing alienated young men from such dangerous temptations.

Peterson often indulges a fatalistic resignation that someday, inevitably, he will be taken down for good. “The overwhelming likelihood, as far as I’m concerned, is that this will go terribly wrong,” he told a CBC newscaster, looking beleaguered, just a few days before I met him in Los Angeles.
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“I’m surfing a one-hundred-foot wave,” he told the newscaster. “And generally what happens if you do that is that you drown.”

Peterson, who suffers from an autoimmune disorder that affects his health, energy, and mood, has adopted his daughter Mikhaila’s diet of mostly red meat and greens, from which nearly all gluten and carbohydrates have been restricted.

He ended the conversation expressing his intent to step back from the precipice of confrontation. “I’m trying to modify my Twitter approach,” he said.
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Pankaj Mishra published a piece on the website of The New York Review of Books calling Peterson a symptom of the “intellectual and moral breakdown” that leads to fascism. The piece included a passing reference to Peterson’s “claim” of having been inducted into a Native Canadian tribe as an instance of “eggheads pretentiously . . . romancing the noble savage.” Peterson responded on Twitter by calling Mishra a “sanctimonious prick,” adding, “If you were in my room at the moment, I’d slap you happily.”

He had met with Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen to discuss an unspecified future venture. Both of those billionaires have for years called for the disruption of higher education, and Peterson has spoken of his desire to create an online university that will offer accreditation in the humanities at a tenth of the prevailing cost.

I asked which aspect of Peterson’s messages resonated most strongly with him. “He’s getting people to be more responsible for their lives. He’s talking to them on the individual level. And even though he doesn’t identify as a Christian, he is very pastoral in a way that can be inspiring. It’s hard to discredit someone when they’re actually making individual lives better.” That was the simplest of all the explanations I had heard for Peterson’s continuing success in the face of ongoing efforts to expel him from polite society. I thought back to something his friend Wodek Szemberg, who produced the Maps of Meaning miniseries, had told me in a coffeehouse in Toronto.

Peterson would sometimes forward Szemberg emails he had received from viewers of the series. “A young man from Italy wrote in, saying, ‘I was about to commit suicide. I heard your lecture. And I’m going to live.’ The ability that [Peterson] has to speak to those who feel themselves at the end of the line, and to tell them: ‘There is a way for you to regroup and to rethink yourself and be productive and live a good life.’ That’s real. That’s not his imagination. The response that he gets proves how important it is for there to be someone who is believable when he says, ‘You can do it.’”

Szemberg spoke of his own frustration with the sort of people Peterson has allowed himself to be associated with in public. “He doesn’t get it. In some sense, he doesn’t want to get it.” According to Szemberg, it was only after Peterson was scheduled to appear with Faith Goldy, then of Rebel Media, an online outlet that has been friendly to the alt-right, that Peterson finally reached the conclusion that “not everyone who wants to be your friend can be your friend.”

[friend and a psychology professor at the University of Toronto named William] Cunningham described feeling nervous before attending one of his lectures. “I was expecting to be surrounded by fascist skinheads. And there are, like, nuns in the audience, and the audience is totally diverse, and it’s this beautiful discussion about the nature of myth for creating social reality. And I’m like, Yeah, I love this stuff! And the next day he starts tweeting again, and I’m like, Noooooo, not this again!” There was a moment soon after the Cathy Newman interview when Peterson received positive coverage from New York Times columnist David Brooks and The Atlantic. “I went to Jordan and told him, ‘You have a chance now to reframe your image, and you probably won’t get a second chance,’ ” Cunningham said. “ ‘Because if Twitter Jordan comes back out, that’s probably going to be it—forever.’”

The young men who love Jordan Peterson love him for all the reasons that the smart set despises him. He gives them something the culture—sometimes it seems this way—wants to deny them. A sense of purpose in a world that increasingly defines their natural predispositions—for risk, adventure, physical challenge, unbridled competition—as maladaptive to the pacified, androgynous ideals of a bureaucratized, post-feminist world. Increasingly one hears that the problem menacing the world today is not the excesses of masculinity, but masculinity itself. That masculinity itself must—and can—be eradicated.
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He argues in 12 Rules that “if men are pushed too hard to feminize, they will become more and more interested in harsh, fascist political ideology.” He notes that “Fight Club, perhaps the most fascist popular film made in recent years by Hollywood, provides a perfect example of this inevitable attraction,” as do “the populist groundswell of support for Donald Trump in the U. S. and the rise of far-right political parties even in such moderate and liberal places as Holland, Sweden, and Norway.”

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I watched several hundred people trade a few words with Peterson, some of them bearing gifts. “You are omnipresent in our life,” said the female half of one married couple.

“Thank you for helping me to become a less agreeable person,” said one Asian woman.

“You’ve helped me to grow up,” said a young man.

The ratio of those expressing gratitude for the positive effect Peterson had had on their personal lives to those wanting to talk about the culture wars was roughly twenty to one, a more or less perfect inversion of the impression given by much of the media.

I spoke to a Hispanic man named Joseph. “I was smoking too much weed. I was drinking too much. I hadn’t talked to my family in years. I didn’t think I needed anyone. Now I know that I do,” he said, wiping away tears.

A twenty-six-year-old guy named Jordan received Peterson’s lectures from his sister and his mother. His girlfriend Breanna described the change in his energy and motivation since he discovered Peterson three months before. “We started talking about marriage,” she said.

I asked if Jordan had tried other self-help programs or books. “Yeah, but none has ever made a difference.” I noted that Peterson’s message is a dark one. “That’s why I like it. When he says, ‘Life is suffering,’ that resonates very deeply. You can tell he’s not bullshitting us.”

A young woman I met named Faith was inspired to break up with her boyfriend. “I heard what he was saying about weak men and how women can be drawn into those relationships to—I feel bad saying this, but it’s true—to dominate them. My boyfriend didn’t want responsibility for his life or our relationship. Dr. Peterson helped me to accept that it would be a disservice to myself—and to him—to stay with him.”

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IF YOU DON'T "WHOOP WHOOP" ME BACK YOU'RE NO LONGER FRESH, YOU'RE STALE. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FRESH AND STALE IS COMMON SENSE.

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"The young men who love Jordan Peterson love him for all the reasons that the smart set despises him. "

etoilet low key annihilated

[etiolate]

Esquire piece is well written with a lot of strong paragraphs. Judging by the time frame of the article, he used several weeks to follow Peterson or at least keep in contact.


Latest WeTheFifth pod has Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying: http://wethefifth.com/

[Mandark]

i admit some of the Peterson stuff is just fascination with the man and his weird continued rising star of fame off of what is not just bad common sense for those he's speaking to, but like, bad versions of old common sense... plus as jake and others have pointed out here, and many elsewhere, and i just have had a gut reaction to from his first surfacing, he doesn't even seem good at his professed job, let alone his expansion into undergrad philosophy which seems to have not even skimmed wikipedia first

I think it makes more sense if you place him in the context of the self-help industry (both religious and non-religious). Marianne Williamson, Tony Robbins, Wayne Dyer, Rick Warren, etc. are barely on my radar but have or had massive followings.

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Finished listening to the Fifth Column pod with Bret and Heather. Several topics covered: IQ and Heritability, gender/sex being more defined than race/population, universities and the replication crisis, Jordan Peterson's popularity, The Intellectual Dark Web, and Free Markets versus regulation (more an analysis of the eventuality of successful markets).

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Why are so many people even talking about IQ

Btw I found out recently that JP's thing about Jews and high IQ is wrong. Ashkenazi Jews had an average iq of about 98 before the first world war, so it isn't an adequate explanation for their prevalence in high status occupations. This factoid brought to you by Cindi's dad, Thomas Sowell.

[Mandark]

Why are so many people even talking about IQ

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They have high avg IQs now and I think also test high in openness, which would lead them into arts/media. There's probably high cultural pressure to move into high earning careers and marry into high earning men, which is reflected in other cultures as well.

IQs have also been turning upwards and tend to improve with better living standards up to a point. Weinstein gets into heritability and tries to explain it but it's still a bit murky to me. He says things like how a trait can be heritable due to another trait selecting for it that is a reflection of cultural belief.

I think the discussion of IQ is so volatile because there's a war over who or what defines intelligence. People in the Ezra/Vox camp (I believe) want intelligence to be a social reward for having the correct views. Something like IQ tries to make it a metric, which takes intelligence out of the hand of gatekeepers.

I personally think that denying the intelligence discussion is dangerous.

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My point is the so called Jewish Conspiracy and antisemitism were already well established before nazism even though group IQ was below average. It's insufficient as an explanation.

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I thought the Jewish Question is why are there so many Jews in finance and Hollywood and Law? The idea behind it being a secret zionist conspiracy. Peterson's point was that tail ends of populations overrepresent at the top and Jews overreperesent at the tail end, creating a disproportionate amount in certain sectors of work.

Anti-semitism is older for certain, but its had various forms. Cultural norms that were different than Jewish faith beliefs had left the workings of money handling primarily with the Jews. Jews had less of a moral aversion to medicine and science so they also represent am important part of doctoral history. Though I guess Peterson could have gone into that and made his explanation more sufficient. I believe he's recognizing the current JQ as being a Mandark-like  from white identitarians.

[Mandark]

I thought the Jewish Question is why are there so many Jews in finance and Hollywood and Law?

it's not

[Nola]

Why are so many people even talking about IQ

Btw I found out recently that JP's thing about Jews and high IQ is wrong. Ashkenazi Jews had an average iq of about 98 before the first world war, so it isn't an adequate explanation for their prevalence in high status occupations. This factoid brought to you by Cindi's dad, Thomas Sowell.

Not a historian on Jewish history, and have no idea how much this satisfies all the points, but I do know from reading various historical readings and from studying economic history, that Jews, as was often the case throughout history, were ostracized, marginalized, persecuted, and banned from many occupations(like farming and numerous trades) and were denied many core rights like those of certain forms of land and property ownership. However, many of the organized religions and their respective societies banned or heavily restricted interest charges, and while it was banned in Judaism between fellow Jews, it was less so for non-Jews and Jews. And the often Christian controlled societies looked past Jew to Christian loans, even at excessive usury rates. So readily available access to credit being a sort of necessity many societies felt needed(and it could indirectly help enrich the permanent upper class, especially if you force them to operate with some predatory bullshit, which is always a bonus for the rich), certain societies, like within parts of Europe, let Jews take on the socially stigmatized(but necessary) roles of banking, tax collecting, and rent collecting. Thats not to say they were the only ones in those occupations, plenty of Christians engaged in that during Medieval periods, but it does seem that by necessity and survival, a larger percentage of the Jewish population relative to others found there way to those sort of occupations.

Throw back into the pot the often laws against property rights for Jews, which naturally meant they held greater levels of liquid assets. Which is a benefit as a lender. And one thing you can get a nice return on as a lender is the merchant trade. And it just so happens Jews were often geographically dispersed(due to lovely things like persecution and massacres), but lived in close knit, often isolated communities due to their overhanging present and past circumstances. Lots of liquid capital in a growingly profitable industry, large geographic dispersion, but a close knit network to pull from, thats a pretty good formula for the merchant trade.

They began in trades that were actually considered low status, looked down on, it was only after a long period of time that the stigma of many of these occupations lifted that they were considered of higher status in society.

As a side note, you can sort of see where many of the later stereotypes - ignorant of this context - come from in Europe and elsewhere.

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Nola, thanks for the write-up. All of that is consistent with what others have told me or written regarding the history of Jewish life in Europe. Really interesting history in general.

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Yeah, but that's not what the Jewish Question is. I'd maybe trust Mandarkstein on this one.

Actually, it's a little embarrassing that someone who's "obsessed with the evils of the 20th Century" and whose most important intellectual endeavor was inspired by Nazism that he can't correctly identify what is meant by the phrase Jewish Question.

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There's different JQs. There's the nazi JQ but also a modern one in the zionist conspiracy form. It's the latter that alt-righters keep pestering JBP with.

[shosta]

I'm going to need to see an example of someone using that phrase in that way from earlier than the post war period.

And if you say that it's a recent redefinition, I want to see examples of other people using it like that. Also in general it's a good idea not to appropriate Nazi terminology and then redefine it. Or make videos that address redefined Nazi terminology.

[Mandark]

The traditional "Jewish question" is roughly analogous to "the negro problem" and "the Irish question" and is essentially a society debating how it ought to treat a minority within its borders and under its rule.

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I'm going to need to see an example of someone using that phrase in that way from earlier than the post war period.

And if you say that it's a recent redefinition, I want to see examples of other people using it like that. Also in general it's a good idea not to appropriate Nazi terminology and then redefine it. Or make videos that address redefined Nazi terminology.

http://alt-right.com/2018/02/01/jordan-peterson-speechless-confronted-jewish-question/
http://fashthenation.com/2018/03/jordan-peterson-gets-wrong-about-the-jewish-question/

You guys aren't up to date on your far right ethno nationalist rhetoric. It's certainly convenient to the hate-filled that its the same term used to discuss wiping out the Jews, but the definition I gave is the current usage in the far-rgiht/alt-right world.

[Mandark]

"This time the Jewish role in Bolshevism was put to him. The questioner observed that Bolshevism was an ideology and regime spawned by ethnic Jews who harboured a murderous hatred of white Christians."

That seems somewhat different from asking why Jewish people have so many jobs in finance, Hollywood, and law.

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Peterson has had many opportunities to tell the truth about the problem of Jewish power, but on every occasion has failed the litmus test. Instead of rightly criticizing the monstrous effects of Jewish power, Peterson has justified their power with IQ arguments, stating that they deserve to rule us because they’re just smarter than the rest.

It’s abundantly clear now that classical liberals like Peterson are either wittingly or unwittingly in the pay of Jews. These fakers steal arguments from the alt-right while rejecting the more controversial truths on race and the Jewish question. By siphoning off potential support for the alt-right and redirecting it into Jew-friendly individualist ideology, this classical liberal clique does Jewry’s work to defang the right-wing backlash to globalism, leftism and the multicultural experiment.

In other words, the number of Jews are greatly over-represented in elite schools, and that over-representation has nothing to do with their high average IQ or good academic achievements. Ivy League schools discriminate against Asians and Whites in favor of far less academically qualified Jewish students. Of course, this discrimination at the college level is at least partially responsible for how successful Jews become later in life.

Admit you were wrong and move on.  I don't like having this shit in my browser history because you don't know the conversation.

[Mandark]

Sorry, I just don't believe "the Jewish question" is merely asking why Jewish people are overrepresented in certain fields. Your own links involve explicit discussion of Jews actively using their power and influence to undermine the traditions and structure of the white societies they live in* (through leftist ideologies, immigration policies, etc.), and a cursory search for "JQ" on Gab will turn up much the same thing.

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This jibes with the Jewish question as Henry Ford would have understood it. There's a quote from one of his rags which says something like "the Jew stands for republicanism against monarchy, socialism against republicanism, bolshevism against socialism" and argues the through-line is the usurping of the gentile order.

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[Momo]

Why are so many people even talking about IQ

Sam Harris had a conversation with a questionable fellow, controversy followed so everyone is expected to comment on the subject that caused most controversy. I think that's about the timeline.

[Momo]

I've only ever known the jewish question to be a term used in the context of the eradication of Jews :/ Although I have heard the question of why jewish people find themselves in top positions at a disproportionate rate brought up over the last few years, never with the term 'jewish question' attached.

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The Jewish Question for centuries now is about Jewish emancipation and if they should be treated like normal humans. It was used primarily to push antisemitism before Hitler was even born. Using that phrase today to talk about why so many Jews are executive producers for your favorite movies even after it was explicitly used by the Nazis, in which the answer to the question was to get rid of all the Jews, is pretty fucked.

These dudes acting like it's a completely unrelated thing 

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a rundown of how the issues within colleges operate

[Momo]

For sure going to give that a listen in the morning, too tired now

[Oblivion]

Why are so many people even talking about IQ

Sam Harris had a conversation with a questionable fellow, controversy followed so everyone is expected to comment on the subject that caused most controversy. I think that's about the timeline.

This has actually been going on for a few years now, though mainly in the youtube skeptosphere community from what I've seen.

[Momo]

Why are so many people even talking about IQ

Sam Harris had a conversation with a questionable fellow, controversy followed so everyone is expected to comment on the subject that caused most controversy. I think that's about the timeline.

This has actually been going on for a few years now, though mainly in the youtube skeptosphere community from what I've seen.

I defer to anyone who's been paying attention longer, I've only recently come across it but cant give enough of a fuck to pay attention to Murray.

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Being part of a"YouTube community of skeptics" is the worst thing you could do with your time. All the good stuff already happened during Dawkins' time, or Voltaire's. At this point you're just looking for an excuse to be a righteous asshole. Try that shit in Salem circa late 1600s, homeboy.

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youtube skeptics:

[Mandark]

When I see someone online identify themselves as a skeptic or rationalist, I figure they'll probably be a brilliant polymath half-ass autodidact goofball.

Also the best thing about not clicking the links in this thread is my YT recommendations don't get fucked up.

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You're a worthless and slimy piece of shit. If you don't want to participate in the thread then get the fuck out.

[team filler]

mandark annihilated

[Stro]

Funny how etiolet completely skipped over the Jewish Question post, immediately changed the subject, and then went back to attacking people instead of having some self reflection instead on how fucked up using that phrase to talk about the Jew master race is.

[HardcoreRetro]

Ah yes, the Endlösung der Judenfrage. The age old debate about transgender rights. It's why Spinoza had to drink from the poison mug.

[Momo]

a rundown of how the issues within colleges operate

This was pretty great, I wish you guys would talk about him more instead of arguing over lamers.

[Nola]

Funny how etiolet completely skipped over the Jewish Question post, immediately changed the subject, and then went back to attacking people instead of having some self reflection instead on how fucked up using that phrase to talk about the Jew master race is.

To be fair, that’s kind of his thing.

See:

- Seth Rich and Kim Dotcom
- 4chan conspiracies about a CNN wrestling GIF
- Shaft stroking even the most nonsensical Jordan Peterson comments
- Welfare policy and single mothers
- Defending Zimmerman’s honor against the unfair liberal media

[Nintex]

Jordan Peterson just used a clickbait title and subject guys.

He likes the attention, he kinda admitted that himself a few times that all the controversy sure wasn't hurting his bottom line.

After all the commies are coming to create an equality of outcome that will rip apart the space time continuum so what are you gonna do aboot eet?

[Rufus]

Re-posting this here because it's good (cringey skits aside).

[etiolate]

lord help you if you think that's good

[Momo]

I watched that for 2 minutes before I couldnt anymore, it would be at home in the bad feels thread

[HardcoreRetro]

ContraPoints? More like ContraCeptives, which his/her parents should've used.

[agrajag]

To be fair, watching that video is only slightly more excruciating than seeing Jordan Petershit ramble about his pet topics

[Oblivion]

[Momo]

needs an xfiles theme to kick in at the end

[Stro]

Funny how etiolet completely skipped over the Jewish Question post, immediately changed the subject, and then went back to attacking people instead of having some self reflection instead on how fucked up using that phrase to talk about the Jew master race is.

I thought this was his answer:

You're a worthless and slimy piece of shit. If you don't want to participate in the thread then get the fuck out.

I believe that was in reference to Mandark not watching video links etoilet posts

[Stro]

 

[Rufus]

I watched that for 2 minutes before I couldnt anymore, it would be at home in the bad feels thread

J and L to skip 10s backward or forward respectively (and K to pause). Indispensable.

[benjipwns]

[seagrams hotsauce]

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[Mandark]

https://twitter.com/pattymo/status/992875476355076097