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« Reply #780 on: March 28, 2018, 06:22:44 PM »
what are you even talking about

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« Reply #781 on: March 28, 2018, 06:29:14 PM »
I am not sure I can overcome your reading comprehension problems, so I'll yell things in caps like a goofball thinking it will help a deaf person understand.


GAWKER GOT GAT CUZ GAWKER DID BAD THINGS

WHY ARE YOU FOCUSED ON THIEL USING HIS MONEY TO FUND HOGAN

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« Reply #782 on: March 28, 2018, 06:30:39 PM »
A billionaire using his wealth to game the legal system and shut down media orgs he doesn't like is of much greater importance than Gawker being trashy

You can say Gawker deserves what they got and I don't really have an issue with it, but the way it happened is scary as hell and absolutely has had a chilling effect on the press as a whole

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« Reply #783 on: March 28, 2018, 06:31:23 PM »
That sure sounds a lot like a billionaire using his wealth to exploit the legal system to shut down an outlet he doesn't like to me

Gawker got gawked because they were doing terrible shit and ran by people who bragged about even worse shit they would do if given the chance. Thiel is not the reason Gawker got shut down, they would have lost that case regardless, all he did was support Hogan so his name could be attached when Gawker died. He didn't influence the case at all. Gawker lost because they not only put up and promoted an illegally recorded and released sex tape, but when they were asked to take it down and Hogan wouldn't sue, they not only left it up but then leaked the racist rant part intentionally to harm Hogan's career for the lulz because his team dared to ask them to take the sex part down.

The Gawker team brought it entirely on themselves and then doubled down during the trial for some reason. Thiel's monetary support is entirely superfluous to Gawker doing garbage shit and getting hit with the big boot and leg drop, brother. That was going to happen regardless. I actually watched and wrote about the trial as it was happening. Gawker screwed Gakwer.


Although are we really acting like corporations and billionaires haven't influenced trials and cases forever? Like this would be the first time it's happened?

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« Reply #784 on: March 28, 2018, 08:18:46 PM »
Sam Harris posted an update to the Klein emails



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« Reply #785 on: March 28, 2018, 08:33:27 PM »
The Harris subreddit already picked up on it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/comments/87vyxc/sam_adds_note_to_his_ezra_klein_blog_post/dwg0r37/
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Enough with these fringe ideologically driven psychologists. I will now turn to [checks notes] a Jungian who is fighting against a supposed cabal of neomarxist post modernists.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/comments/87vyxc/sam_adds_note_to_his_ezra_klein_blog_post/dwg18ic/
https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/comments/6gidnl/why_arent_we_discussing_charles_murrays_backing/
:whew

I need to poke my head in there more often. It's not your typical fan-sub, this one.

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« Reply #786 on: March 28, 2018, 08:58:46 PM »
Clearly the problem here is that Sam Harris' fans have not listened to enough Sam Harris.

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« Reply #787 on: March 28, 2018, 09:04:56 PM »
The Harris fans are the fanatical type. They get into wars with other subreddits that only they care about. They wage war on Rogan, Peterson and Rubin for reasons nobody understands.

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« Reply #788 on: March 28, 2018, 09:17:43 PM »
The Harris fans are the fanatical type. They get into wars with other subreddits that only they care about. They wage war on Rogan, Peterson and Rubin for reasons nobody understands.


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« Reply #790 on: March 28, 2018, 10:42:36 PM »
That's not what he meant, curly. You're being very intellectually dishonest posting that. He quoted himself out of context.

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« Reply #791 on: March 28, 2018, 10:58:28 PM »
actually he's a sub and you're kinkshaming him right now

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« Reply #792 on: March 28, 2018, 11:01:54 PM »
guys, please stop infringing on JP's right to free speech by mocking his clearly well thought out tweet

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« Reply #793 on: March 28, 2018, 11:02:02 PM »
The Harris subreddit might be getting brigaded as well.

As the Taleb pieces imply, a great deal of people mistake an aesthetic of class for a sign of intelligence.  That would reveal itself in not noticing Klein weaseling out of responsibility and pretending to be clueless about Sam's anger. Ezra has nothing to lose from this defamation and since he's applying to be in the elite class, he also has nothing to lose about attacking Murray and ignoring his book's more concerning point about the impact of technology rise and IQ on socioeconomic class division.

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« Reply #794 on: March 28, 2018, 11:21:41 PM »
fuck that's a good tweet.
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« Reply #795 on: March 28, 2018, 11:30:32 PM »
 :aweshum still giggling. hooooo

once you are usurped, your rebellion will be meek, and then you will be enslaved! there is some pulp fiction to be made here.

women's lib or male sex fantasy tho?
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« Reply #796 on: March 29, 2018, 12:05:22 AM »
when she jails and enslaves you :lawd

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« Reply #797 on: March 29, 2018, 12:10:04 AM »
"Maybe the long, deep history of racism in America and the Anglosphere has an effect both in measured IQ on black citizens and the way white people interpret that data and a conversation about that topic should incorporate that context." - horribly defamatory hit job.


"Feminist, black, gay, and other identity-based organizing and activism are largely metastases of a cultural Marxist conspiracy." - completely normal, sane thing.

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« Reply #798 on: March 29, 2018, 12:18:12 AM »
when she jails and enslaves you :lawd

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« Reply #799 on: March 29, 2018, 01:20:50 AM »
A billionaire using his wealth to game the legal system and shut down media orgs he doesn't like is of much greater importance than Gawker being trashy

You can say Gawker deserves what they got and I don't really have an issue with it, but the way it happened is scary as hell and absolutely has had a chilling effect on the press as a whole

yes, very chilling. no respectable journalistic entity (like tmz) has published a single celebrity revenge porn clip since the verdict. Fuck Thiel!

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« Reply #800 on: March 29, 2018, 04:54:50 AM »
I am not sure I can overcome your reading comprehension problems, so I'll yell things in caps like a goofball thinking it will help a deaf person understand.


GAWKER GOT GAT CUZ GAWKER DID BAD THINGS

WHY ARE YOU FOCUSED ON THIEL USING HIS MONEY TO FUND HOGAN

Lol you're so easily :umad

Act like this didn't have a chilling effect if you want to, but that's par for the course for ostrich boy over here

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« Reply #801 on: March 29, 2018, 09:31:08 AM »
Cultural Marxist is a loaded way of saying "Not conservative" and trying to making it sound 'bad' at the same time. Because anything "Not conservative" is evil in merit.
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« Reply #802 on: March 29, 2018, 10:07:16 AM »
"Maybe the long, deep history of racism in America and the Anglosphere has an effect both in measured IQ on black citizens and the way white people interpret that data and a conversation about that topic should incorporate that context." - horribly defamatory hit job.


"Feminist, black, gay, and other identity-based organizing and activism are largely metastases of a cultural Marxist conspiracy." - completely normal, sane thing.


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« Reply #803 on: March 29, 2018, 11:19:12 AM »
I am not sure I can overcome your reading comprehension problems, so I'll yell things in caps like a goofball thinking it will help a deaf person understand.


GAWKER GOT GAT CUZ GAWKER DID BAD THINGS

WHY ARE YOU FOCUSED ON THIEL USING HIS MONEY TO FUND HOGAN

Lol you're so easily :umad

Act like this didn't have a chilling effect if you want to, but that's par for the course for ostrich boy over here

I don't know how you can look at the tabloid level trash that the media currently is and think it had any chilling effect. We have Anderson Cooper interviewing porn stars for sex escapades. Shit has no chill at all.

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« Reply #804 on: March 29, 2018, 12:23:42 PM »
:lol ya he's interviewing a pornstar who the most powerful man in the world fucked behind his wifes back you fuckin ninny
"there's no chilling effect because the media is trash" you're one equivocating motherfucker no doubt. nevermind that the dudes who put out the weinstein/r kelly stories talked about what a pain in the ass it was to find publishers who weren't too shook by the gawker suit to publish them

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« Reply #805 on: March 29, 2018, 12:25:19 PM »
The Weinstein story had been buried for years and years before the Gawker trial. You should recognize that sort of chilling claim as dishonest immediately.

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« Reply #806 on: March 29, 2018, 01:51:19 PM »
Yes, why indeed would anyone in the news media want to give a damn about the president of the United States from the party of "family values" having an extramarital affair with a porn star?

et always has the best examples. The very best.

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« Reply #807 on: March 29, 2018, 01:51:59 PM »
Meanwhile, what the current gold standard of "proper" journalism looks like:

https://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle/status/979021639458459648

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« Reply #809 on: March 29, 2018, 01:59:24 PM »
The most surprising thing about that pic is that he's only worn the fedora once.

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« Reply #810 on: March 29, 2018, 02:06:44 PM »
Yes, why indeed would anyone in the news media want to give a damn about the president of the United States from the party of "family values" having an extramarital affair with a porn star?

et always has the best examples. The very best.

The point is there is no chilling effect, which you just agreed to with your response.

It's not an argument on whether they should cover it or not. The argument is they DO cover it. No chilling. Just Gawker burning themselves and a suspect effort by certain parties to spin that narrative into abusive rich man silences press.

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« Reply #811 on: March 29, 2018, 02:17:49 PM »
I hate to say it but I'm with eshitter on this one: Theil's involvement in the Gawker case wasn't shit. It's weird to claim that he's had a chilling impact on the press after the past year of every celebrity who has ever had a bad date being dragged all over TV and press as a sex offender, and Weinstein's and Cosby's actions, which had been hidden and silenced for YEARS in the media, being worldwide stories.

Even R. Kelly's piss and young girls fetish was known and reported on a decade+ ago to the point of it being parodied on sketch comedy shows. Famously.

Just turn on daytime TV and see all the shows that do nothing but report on gossip and slander celebs all day and really tell me somehow Thiel has put the press in a chokehold of fear of getting sued.

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« Reply #812 on: March 29, 2018, 02:28:51 PM »
(Image removed from quote.)
I assume this is a Photoshop, he looks too brown somehow  :bobby  What's this a reference to?

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« Reply #813 on: March 29, 2018, 02:33:46 PM »
I dunno I just thought it was a funny picture

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« Reply #814 on: March 29, 2018, 02:36:14 PM »
As do I, I was thinking maybe the context makes it funnier like it's his face superimposed on Cedric The Entertainer's head or something

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« Reply #815 on: March 29, 2018, 02:37:02 PM »
Is it really surprising that he'd wear a fedora with a god damn feather?

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« Reply #816 on: March 29, 2018, 02:38:55 PM »
Is it really surprising that he'd wear a fedora with a god damn feather?
bitch have you seen the pic, look at it, the sadness in his eyes like the will to live is being extracted through them, off brand skin colour, it's fucking weird man :lol

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« Reply #817 on: March 29, 2018, 02:39:58 PM »
TFW postmodernist cultural marxists make fun of your 30s gangster Halloween costume

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« Reply #818 on: March 29, 2018, 02:46:47 PM »
It's from this 2011 PSA he did for Palkin's The Agenda.


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« Reply #819 on: March 29, 2018, 03:08:51 PM »
 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol



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« Reply #820 on: March 29, 2018, 03:29:04 PM »
He ain't lyin  :idont

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« Reply #821 on: March 29, 2018, 03:38:05 PM »
What made you go your own way, et?

I mean, the Fedora almost makes me think it's satire, but I don't know if he was aware of the meme back then.
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« Reply #822 on: March 29, 2018, 04:00:12 PM »
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I am saying that women are generally attracted to certain things even when they spend excess energy to deny such. If you've been around women then you notice what they respond to and what that pattern reflects. If you've dated women then you realize that they respond to some pretty basic concepts.

There is a cognitive dissonance between the message to young people about gender and romance, and the actuality of how it plays out. In my view, this creates a lot of confusion that hangs around through even the college years.

As well, male fallout in society has consequences. We see that in the data on suicides, murder, homelessness and prison populations. Beyond that, there's the population of men who are stuck in a holding pattern. His comment about dating down is facetious. In studies, hetero women tends to not date downward in status. Despite their own success, women still date for reasons of status attainment and wealth.

There are exceptions to all of this, but they are rare enough to make looking for the exception a poor life decision. My darkest fear is that we built society for centuries on the idea that many men would die before hitting age 30. That war, hard labor and risk would ween out the male population so that the need of the people never outweighed society's ability to meet the demand. However, many things have changed. Less men go to war. Less men die young from hard labor. Health has improved. Disease control has improved. We simply have more living men now and society wasn't built to handle their need. So they end up in prison or on the streets or they take their own life in a variety of vices and methods.

And then you get really terrible stinkpieces that talk about how terrible men are and how it must be contained or corrected. It's as if parts of society, given more men than ever before, treats these extra lives as a contagion.

It is a fucked up situation.

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« Reply #823 on: March 29, 2018, 04:09:47 PM »
If you've dated women (as in more than one), you'll know each responds to different things differently because "women" isn't a monolith that you can control with evolutionary psychology, but individual humans with individual needs, desires, and points of view.


But man, if thinkpieces are harming your self worth, it makes sense you'd be the kind of pussy that listens to the most beta dude imaginable tell you about masculinity. Some how this foppy, weepy frog man who spent his whole adult life in academia is the godking of how to be a real man.

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« Reply #824 on: March 29, 2018, 04:18:09 PM »
Yes, everyone is different. However, I still turn my eyes at boobs, legs and ass. I'm looking for more than that in a partner, but that doesn't change that fact. If I seriously date someone, I think about who they would be as a mother. Women are the same way. Statistically, they date upwards. For some reason, employment gain and birth control hasn't changed that.

So the question is where we end up. Do we have more men than we know what to do with? Are we not built for how we've ended up? It's not that the stinkpieces hurt anyone's feelings, but that they reveal a public ignoring the question or rejecting the outcome. That's why I compared the response to treating the issue as a contagion.


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« Reply #825 on: March 29, 2018, 04:19:54 PM »
What is your solution

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Yes, everyone is different. However, I still turn my eyes at boobs, legs and ass.
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« Reply #827 on: March 29, 2018, 04:27:08 PM »
I don't have one and that's why its a bothersome, dark worry. I don't see anyone with a solution so far. Peterson defaults to traditionalism, but I don't think that option is open.

You basically need to create opportunity to meet demand. You need good minds to figure out if you can even do that.

I do think that recent changes in primary education were harmful. Less recess was a bad idea. There's increased homework which lessens physical activity time away from school as well.

Justice reform and prison reform needs to happen. We're just tossing the shit we cant' deal with behind bars and those people rarely ever get out of the system. Repeat offense is common.

And probably stop attacking the avenues of life where men do succeed.

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« Reply #828 on: March 29, 2018, 04:29:47 PM »
Men and woman have certain things that are fairly universal amongst the species in how they determine attractiveness in one another. Facial symmetry being one of them. However, and this is important, culture plays an enormous role in the way things can develop from there and how certain things manifest, what and how people in that society value. See: neck stretching, feet binding, Venus figurines, or extensive female facial tattoos.

Peterson, like usual, does an extremely poor job propping up the underpinning of his rants. Espousing virtues of the side he supports, cherry picking the negatives toward the side he doesn't, never actually reconciling them into some sort of falsifiable statement that can weighed or measured. It is quite the leap to go from broad brushing human predilections on mate characteristics to inferring that somehow a 1950's cultural structure represents the peak optimization of that dynamic. But Peterson's starting point is to make the case for that form of conservatism, so it isn't really a surprise he contorts his often non-falsifiable arguments to try and get to that conclusion.


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As well, male fallout in society has consequences. We see that in the data on suicides, murder, homelessness and prison populations. Beyond that, there's the population of men who are stuck in a holding pattern. His comment about dating down is facetious. In studies, hetero women tends to not date downward in status. Despite their own success, women still date for reasons of status attainment and wealth.

That is one bold leap there etiolate, especially since many of those things have actually decreased since the feminist revolution. But even taking your assertion at face value, I think you would be unable to substantiate convincingly outside of poor attempts at specious correlations.. On the other hand, we have seen actual rises of those sorts of things in places where not only is there not a cultural shift like America, but shifts toward more regressive societies, which if your notion held true, we should be seeing the opposite as countries retreat into conservatism. Like in Russia, former baltic states, many Middle-Eastern countries and on. But i wouldn't attempt to make such silly simple causation narratives for them either. Just pointing out how easily refutable that is. The idea that there is some obvious grand connection between feminism and murder/suicide/homelessness is fucking absurd, even for you.

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« Reply #829 on: March 29, 2018, 04:32:31 PM »
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That is one bold leap there etiolate, especially since many of those things have actually decreased since the feminist revolution. But even taking your assertion at face value, I think you would be unable to substantiate convincingly outside of poor attempts at specious correlations.. On the other hand, we have seen actual rises of those sorts of things in places where not only is there not a cultural shift like America, but shifts toward more regressive societies, which if your notion held true, we should be seeing the opposite as countries retreat into conservatism. Like in Russia, former baltic states, many Middle-Eastern countries and on. The idea that there is some obvious grand connection between feminism and murder/suicide/homelessness is fucking absurd, even for you.

What do you think "my notion" is exactly?

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« Reply #830 on: March 29, 2018, 04:34:23 PM »
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That is one bold leap there etiolate, especially since many of those things have actually decreased since the feminist revolution. But even taking your assertion at face value, I think you would be unable to substantiate convincingly outside of poor attempts at specious correlations.. On the other hand, we have seen actual rises of those sorts of things in places where not only is there not a cultural shift like America, but shifts toward more regressive societies, which if your notion held true, we should be seeing the opposite as countries retreat into conservatism. Like in Russia, former baltic states, many Middle-Eastern countries and on. The idea that there is some obvious grand connection between feminism and murder/suicide/homelessness is fucking absurd, even for you.

What do you think "my notion" is exactly?

Just using your words etiolate:

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As well, male fallout in society has consequences. We see that in the data on suicides, murder, homelessness and prison populations.

This implies a direct relationship does it not?

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« Reply #831 on: March 29, 2018, 04:38:35 PM »
A relationship to what though? I am saying, in my view, we have more men going past the age of 30 than we've ever had. We've had major shifts in gender roles and life options recently as well. So my worry/theory is we have more available young men than we have roles for young men.

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« Reply #832 on: March 29, 2018, 04:43:44 PM »
I don't have one and that's why its a bothersome, dark worry. I don't see anyone with a solution so far. Peterson defaults to traditionalism, but I don't think that option is open.

You basically need to create opportunity to meet demand. You need good minds to figure out if you can even do that.

I do think that recent changes in primary education were harmful. Less recess was a bad idea. There's increased homework which lessens physical activity time away from school as well.

Justice reform and prison reform needs to happen. We're just tossing the shit we cant' deal with behind bars and those people rarely ever get out of the system. Repeat offense is common.

And probably stop attacking the avenues of life where men do succeed.

Jordan Peterson has the same probably that most of this board has with RE: That's the only version of that type of people he interacts with, so his world view is completely skewed and fucked up because he isn't in contact with normal humans. Masculine men and masculinity are doing just fine. It's not a bad thing to be masculine, and if anything, masculine hobbies and looks are in now more than they have been in a long time. Jordan Peterson's world view is based upon the most liberal of the most liberal extremists and he thinks (or at least pretends to think because it is now lucrative for him) that this is how most people think and act and he needs to save you from them.

If Jordan Peterson got out of the bubbles of 18 year old college students and conservative talk show hosts, he'd find that all the shit he's worried about has no impact on damn near anyone's lives.

The only men suffering from being "masculine" these days are rapists and sexual harassers.


This is a guy who fantasized about beating up a toddler because a 2 year old boy out alpha'd him. He's the guy to listen to.
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« Reply #833 on: March 29, 2018, 04:50:48 PM »
That's naive. Sorry. I have been out of the bubble plenty. And the bubble has influence o'plenty.  If the bubble is academia then that means young people are being taught what is thought in the bubble. That's the future. It is dumb to think anything that is taught is designed to be contained in the classroom and not spread.

Meanwhile, I've dealt with people in prison, with the lives of those that get into that system, and with the community of men who end up homeless.

I gave you a real response and you're dragging out the tired old and refuted "its only in small places" reply. There is a fight to put more women in STEM and there are hiring practices that are arguing for not hiring more men. When I say let's not attack the few avenues men succeed, that is what I am talking about.



I think an important concept to understand is to recognize that when we make a large change on the social/cultural/software side of evolution that it's not enough to use "we did not instantly explode" to qualify what we've done as a total success. That's sort of how we engage our efforts to better society. We take things that have developed over centuries and shift them, then we sit a moment and if they don't end in instant hellfire we say it's fine. However, impact tends to develop over time and we have to pay attention to where we are and what is happening. This is getting back into the Taleb stuff, but we do far too much tweaking of ideas we don't appreciate as evolutionary outcomes and thus ignore how they impact us once they don't instantly destroy the whole population.
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« Reply #834 on: March 29, 2018, 04:51:36 PM »
A relationship to what though? I am saying, in my view, we have more men going past the age of 30 than we've ever had. We've had major shifts in gender roles and life options recently as well. So my worry/theory is we have more available young men than we have roles for young men.

And I took issue with the assertion that the societal issues you listed(suicide, murder, homelessness, incarceration) are directly intertwined and serve as evidence to your thesis.

Because one, at least half of those statistics are relatively stable or are going in the other direction, and more importantly, two, there is no real evidence of some absurdist connection between male fallout post-feminism and social upbringing in a society and increasing levels of those statistics.

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« Reply #835 on: March 29, 2018, 04:54:56 PM »
That's naive. Sorry. I have been out of the bubble plenty. And the bubble has influence o'plenty.  If the bubble is academia then that means young people are being taught what is thought in the bubble. That's the future. It is dumb to think anything that is taught is designed to be contained in the classroom and not spread.

Meanwhile, I've dealt with people in prison, with the lives of those that get into that system, and with the community of men who end up homeless.

I gave you a real response and you're dragging out the tired old and refuted "its only in small places" reply. There is a fight to put more women in STEM and there are hiring practices that are arguing for not hiring more men. When I say let's not attack the few avenues men succeed, that is what I am talking about.

That's weird, I thought I was talking about Peterson being in a bubble.

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« Reply #836 on: March 29, 2018, 04:56:10 PM »
That's naive. Sorry. I have been out of the bubble plenty. And the bubble has influence o'plenty.  If the bubble is academia then that means young people are being taught what is thought in the bubble. That's the future. It is dumb to think anything that is taught is designed to be contained in the classroom and not spread.

Meanwhile, I've dealt with people in prison, with the lives of those that get into that system, and with the community of men who end up homeless.

I gave you a real response and you're dragging out the tired old and refuted "its only in small places" reply. There is a fight to put more women in STEM and there are hiring practices that are arguing for not hiring more men. When I say let's not attack the few avenues men succeed, that is what I am talking about.

lol.

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« Reply #837 on: March 29, 2018, 04:58:57 PM »
That's naive. Sorry. I have been out of the bubble plenty. And the bubble has influence o'plenty.  If the bubble is academia then that means young people are being taught what is thought in the bubble. That's the future. It is dumb to think anything that is taught is designed to be contained in the classroom and not spread.

Meanwhile, I've dealt with people in prison, with the lives of those that get into that system, and with the community of men who end up homeless.

I gave you a real response and you're dragging out the tired old and refuted "its only in small places" reply. There is a fight to put more women in STEM and there are hiring practices that are arguing for not hiring more men. When I say let's not attack the few avenues men succeed, that is what I am talking about.

lol.

It's not funny. Women are taking over. Do not laugh. Soon men will have to be nannies and nurses.


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« Reply #838 on: March 29, 2018, 05:01:44 PM »
A relationship to what though? I am saying, in my view, we have more men going past the age of 30 than we've ever had. We've had major shifts in gender roles and life options recently as well. So my worry/theory is we have more available young men than we have roles for young men.

And I took issue with the assertion that the societal issues you listed(suicide, murder, homelessness, incarceration) are directly intertwined and serve as evidence to your thesis.

Because one, at least half of those statistics are relatively stable or are going in the other direction, and more importantly, two, there is no real evidence of some absurdist connection between male fallout post-feminism and social upbringing in a society and increasing levels of those statistics.


No. You're wrong.

Suicide rates are rising. Incarceration rates quadrupled in the past four decades.

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« Reply #839 on: March 29, 2018, 05:04:39 PM »
A relationship to what though? I am saying, in my view, we have more men going past the age of 30 than we've ever had. We've had major shifts in gender roles and life options recently as well. So my worry/theory is we have more available young men than we have roles for young men.

And I took issue with the assertion that the societal issues you listed(suicide, murder, homelessness, incarceration) are directly intertwined and serve as evidence to your thesis.

Because one, at least half of those statistics are relatively stable or are going in the other direction, and more importantly, two, there is no real evidence of some absurdist connection between male fallout post-feminism and social upbringing in a society and increasing levels of those statistics.


No. You're wrong.

Suicide rates are rising. Incarceration rates quadrupled in the past four decades.

Suicide rates for women are at a 20 year high as well. Almost like the past 20 years have kind of sucked or something.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/04/22/health/suicide-rates-rise/index.html



"However, there was a 45% increase in the suicide rate in women between 1999 and 2014"