Author Topic: Wank Dad 2: Electric Wankaloo (Read 318489 times)

Crash Dummy · « **Reply #1200 on:** April 23, 2019, 04:22:15 AM »

Quote from: Nintex on April 22, 2019, 04:19:12 PM

Zizek and Daddy P liked eachother. They'll get their own Netflix show for sure.

i think daddy p was more enamored by zizek than the other way around; i listened/watched in the background and noticed some subtle (pointing out orthodoxy is also a very short book)/not so subtle jabs by zizek ("i'm not saying you're an idiot and don't know what you're talking about" and asking for names of any pomo neo marxists)

Stro · « **Reply #1201 on:** April 23, 2019, 12:06:43 PM »

After reading about this debate, I'm now convinced Daddy P did not intentionally misrepresent the "compelled speech" law and make a new career out of it, but he actually likely didn't read the bill at all (and most assuredly still hasn't) and just assumed that's what it said because he heard it somewhere. He's truly exposed as a hack fraud who lucked into this life and has been winging it ever since.

Oblivion · « **Reply #1202 on:** April 23, 2019, 08:12:55 PM »

Quote from: Stro on April 23, 2019, 12:06:43 PM

After reading about this debate, I'm now convinced Daddy P did not intentionally misrepresent the "compelled speech" law and make a new career out of it, but he actually likely didn't read the bill at all (and most assuredly still hasn't) and just assumed that's what it said because he heard it somewhere. He's truly exposed as a hack fraud who lucked into this life and has been winging it ever since.

Well, that wouldn't be surprising since the guy literally wasn't aware that the bill included anything other than pronoun tyranny (the main goal of the bill was to protect trans people from getting fired/not being able to get housing/including them in hate crimes if they get murdered/etc.).

Brehvolution · « **Reply #1203 on:** April 24, 2019, 09:00:43 AM »

Quote from: Stro on April 23, 2019, 12:06:43 PM

After reading about this debate, I'm now convinced Daddy P did not intentionally misrepresent the "compelled speech" law and make a new career out of it, but he actually likely didn't read the bill at all (and most assuredly still hasn't) and just assumed that's what it said because he heard it somewhere. He's truly exposed as a hack fraud who lucked into this life and has been winging it ever since.

The only credentials needed to be a hero of the alt right.

BisMarckie · « **Reply #1204 on:** April 24, 2019, 09:07:34 AM »

Tbf that is true for all culture warriors. Be it contrapoints raking in the patreon money for intellectually lazy videos or Ben Shapiro doing Ben Shapiro things.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #1205 on:** April 24, 2019, 09:14:11 AM »

Complain about the intelligentsia while stanning for a college professor who prepped for a debate by cramming the night before.

Rufus · « **Reply #1206 on:** April 24, 2019, 09:16:31 AM »

JP's fans love to bring up his credentials, as though a PhD in psychology makes him the sole arbiter on the human condition. That's what makes him at best skimming the material he claims to have valuable insights on especially delicious.

shosta · « **Reply #1207 on:** April 24, 2019, 02:31:19 PM »

BisMarckie · « **Reply #1208 on:** April 24, 2019, 02:34:08 PM »

shosta · « **Reply #1209 on:** April 25, 2019, 01:32:18 PM »

One thing I never understood was how the "skeptic community" became a part of the new right. I don't understand the link.

agrajag · « **Reply #1210 on:** April 25, 2019, 01:37:17 PM »

what skeptic community? Sam Harris and.... ?

shosta · « **Reply #1211 on:** April 25, 2019, 01:39:37 PM »

Sargon!

agrajag · « **Reply #1212 on:** April 25, 2019, 01:43:22 PM »

come on breh, Sargon ain't no "skeptic"

Nintex · « **Reply #1213 on:** April 25, 2019, 01:48:52 PM »

LMAO this guy

https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/1121440688263053313

agrajag · « **Reply #1214 on:** April 25, 2019, 01:56:49 PM »

"I hate identity politics"

"White people are supposed to act like this"

shosta · « **Reply #1215 on:** April 25, 2019, 02:44:15 PM »

Oh. Science -> "Science" -> Scientific Racism -> Anti-Immigration. That actually explains the link for me, thanks.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #1216 on:** April 25, 2019, 03:30:16 PM »

Quote from: shosta on April 25, 2019, 01:32:18 PM

One thing I never understood was how the "skeptic community" became a part of the new right. I don't understand the link.

Usually islam.

"We should not tolerate religion" -> "Islam is a threat to us and breeds intolerance" -> "Island is a threat to western values" -> "Christianity isn't that bad after all and is a part of our western values unlike Islam" -> "hey mom, I'm alt right"

Quote from: Esch on April 25, 2019, 02:42:52 PM

Quote from: shosta on April 25, 2019, 01:32:18 PM
One thing I never understood was how the "skeptic community" became a part of the new right. I don't understand the link.

You've never met a "race realist" quoting bell curves and black crime stats in your life? I envy you for it.

That's low-key Sam Harris entire grift.

There's that too.

"Blacks have a low IQ" -> "Blacks represent a sizable portion of crime statistics" -> "I support black people having access to abortion as it will make them less poor over all" (usually a cover for eugenics support)

Stro · « **Reply #1217 on:** April 25, 2019, 03:47:49 PM »

New Right/Alt Right encompasses everything from hardcore neo nazis to guys who like the wrong memes so I mean anyone can get sucked into the designation if someone deems them problematic. There doesn't need to be a logical reason or connection anymore.

Stro · « **Reply #1218 on:** April 25, 2019, 04:18:05 PM »

I think I meant that anyone going against the grain at all can be lumped into alt right, and skeptics are always going against the grain by default but I wasn't really thinking out my post too much tbh

9/11 truthers were mostly left leaning people buying into the neocon conspiracy and wanting Bush/Cheney to be taken down and all, but I bet a large chunk of those are alt right Q believers these days.

Also I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about or why.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #1219 on:** April 25, 2019, 04:22:35 PM »

Sometimes it's hard to tell if someone is alt-right or just dumb.

agrajag · « **Reply #1220 on:** April 25, 2019, 04:31:18 PM »

I think it's also a matter a matter of looking at things in a binary way without allowing for much nuance and a mixture of views. Like Nintex can be considered alt-right here, a Nazi on Re, but a a bleeding heart college intellectual on Voat. People do exist in gray areas, guys.

Philip Cardgage · « **Reply #1221 on:** April 25, 2019, 04:35:15 PM »

People were attracted to being atheists because there was a time where it was provocative and you could feed yourself bullshit about your level of intelligence because you didn't fall for the church's lies.

Atheism is kind of mainstream and the new counter-culture is this shit. When you're constantly told to be a good person, your method of rebellion is to be an asshole.

BisMarckie · « **Reply #1222 on:** April 25, 2019, 04:41:21 PM »

Quote from: agrajag on April 25, 2019, 04:31:18 PM

I think it's also a matter a matter of looking at things in a binary way without allowing for much nuance and a mixture of views. Like Nintex can be considered alt-right here, a Nazi on Re, but a a bleeding heart college intellectual on Voat. People do exist in gray areas, guys.

Nintex isn‘t alt-right or whatever at all. He just thinks Trump is hilarious, which he kinda is. He also enjoys writing shitty fanfiction and being a low quality troll.

Stro · « **Reply #1223 on:** April 25, 2019, 04:41:56 PM »

Quote from: agrajag on April 25, 2019, 04:31:18 PM

I think it's also a matter a matter of looking at things in a binary way without allowing for much nuance and a mixture of views. Like Nintex can be considered alt-right here, a Nazi on Re, but a a bleeding heart college intellectual on Voat. People do exist in gray areas, guys.
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NO THEY DON'T

BisMarckie · « **Reply #1224 on:** April 25, 2019, 04:47:34 PM »

I never understood the skeptic community‘s raison d‘etre. It always struck me as something inherently American, since you couldn‘t score edgelord points here for atheism since Feuerbach.

Philip Cardgage · « **Reply #1225 on:** April 25, 2019, 04:58:26 PM »

Quote from: KennyLoggins on April 25, 2019, 04:47:34 PM

I never understood the skeptic community‘s raison d‘etre. It always struck me as something inherently American, since you couldn‘t score edgelord points here for atheism since Feuerbach.

Aren't they almost entirely British though?

BisMarckie · « **Reply #1226 on:** April 25, 2019, 05:00:29 PM »

The Anglosphere.

Stro · « **Reply #1227 on:** April 25, 2019, 05:03:34 PM »

The Anglesphere

agrajag · « **Reply #1228 on:** April 25, 2019, 05:04:45 PM »

Quote from: KennyLoggins on April 25, 2019, 04:47:34 PM

I never understood the skeptic community‘s raison d‘etre. It always struck me as something inherently American, since you couldn‘t score edgelord points here for atheism since Feuerbach.

breh you think that's bad? I've been bombarded with Youtube recommendations of rational skeptics debunking "flat earth theories" lately.

BisMarckie · « **Reply #1229 on:** April 25, 2019, 05:07:11 PM »

I think flat earthers are cute.

Like nobody ever believed that the Earth was flat, but they adopted this popular culture myth.

Stro · « **Reply #1230 on:** April 25, 2019, 05:15:38 PM »

My rule of thumb is if Eddie Bravo believes it, it has to be false

shosta · « **Reply #1231 on:** April 25, 2019, 05:15:55 PM »

If the earth was flat how would water flow down the sides?

BisMarckie · « **Reply #1232 on:** April 25, 2019, 05:19:32 PM »

If the Earth was flat, how come there are still monkeys?

Stro · « **Reply #1233 on:** April 25, 2019, 05:21:55 PM »

If the Earth was round, how could

not fall over?

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #1234 on:** April 25, 2019, 05:22:09 PM »

If we’re keeping score at home, and I’m pretty sure this has been mentioned before, the New Atheists like Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, et al. were/are an important predecessor for the IDW both because their demos/content have significant overlap and because the former paved a lot of the infrastructure that the latter then capitalized on. I think Cardgage is mostly right here. They sold hard on a secular bourgeois liberalism that was latently gaining momentum in America for years while religious language still, ostensibly, held hegemony in public/political discourse. Then, and this is really within the past 10 years or so, the demos start to shift in their favor, esp. among the under-30 crowd, and, exactly because they’ve won, they start to promote more obviously reactionary horseshit because they’ve built their brand around being ultratransgressive.*

Part of the Quillette** crowd are those Charles Murray HBD types who think we can read racial essentialism directly off of the natural world; the upshot always being a vindication of purse-clutching caucasoid common sense. And those guys should probably be contrasted with the deus vult guys or the Petersons of the world who think they’ve found ancient scrawlings in dingo poop that justify women being housewives, or whatever.

One interesting way I think you can divy it up is by (perceived) intellectual lineage. They both see The West^TM as sacrosanct/under crisis/whatever, but the scientism crowd thinks the parts of The West^TM that are worth preserving only extend to about John Locke, or so. Where the other crowd really buys into the Judaeo-Christian civilization myth and thinks that the battle of Tours and the sieges of Vienna are singularly defining world-historical events. You see a lot of people in either camp claiming to be ‘classically liberal’ despite not evincing any of the radical spirit that animated 19th century British utilitarianism. Because they haven’t read Bentham or Mill or Sidgwick. Or really anyone else, for that matter.

*although the imperial apologia is always there, cf. hitchens supporting the war in Iraq

**who are now publishing content by legit marxists? Wtf? I just saw this yesterday, they’ve been shifting over the past couple weeks or so; can’t tell if their cynically diversifying their bonds or what

BisMarckie · « **Reply #1235 on:** April 25, 2019, 05:22:33 PM »

Never underestimate the Gopnik‘s squatting ability!

BisMarckie · « **Reply #1236 on:** April 25, 2019, 05:24:56 PM »

Tfw your dumb shitpost follows a genuinely insightful post.

Stro · « **Reply #1237 on:** April 25, 2019, 05:37:37 PM »

Quote from: KennyLoggins on April 25, 2019, 05:22:33 PM

Never underestimate the Gopnik‘s squatting ability!

He doesn't even need to use a squatty potty

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #1238 on:** April 25, 2019, 05:40:25 PM »

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm

...the scientism crowd thinks the parts of The West^TM that are worth preserving only extend to about John Locke, or so. Where the other crowd really buys into the Judaeo-Christian civilization myth...

so, e.g., Pinker and Dawkins, while not being alt-right and not clearly even normal-right, dovetail really nicely with the first group, but have no common stock with the second.

Quote from: Esch on April 25, 2019, 04:28:36 PM

Also a lot (although i couldn't tell you who) of people just have incoherent worldviews / ideology. I have a friend who is as radlib + idpol centric as it gets but loves Sam Harris and keeps a library's worth of anti-muslim factoids in her brain.

dont know your friend, obv, but I’m willing to bet this is because that Harrisite secular liberal shtick itself is high-key idpol

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #1239 on:** April 25, 2019, 05:53:50 PM »

This is why I pointed out Islam. The new atheists were very, very big proponents on the war on terror. And a lot of the altright fall into the new atheist demographic.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #1240 on:** April 25, 2019, 06:05:38 PM »

For some reason I thought Sargon was black...

BisMarckie · « **Reply #1241 on:** April 25, 2019, 06:06:30 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2019, 06:05:38 PM

For some reason I thought Sargon was black...

You‘re thinking of famous youtuber videogamedunkey.

agrajag · « **Reply #1242 on:** April 25, 2019, 06:20:16 PM »

you're thinking of

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #1243 on:** April 25, 2019, 06:37:15 PM »

Quote from: Esch

I'm listening go on

So full disclosure, I’m on record saying that I don’t think a politics that doesn’t mobilize ‘identity’ is really possible given i) what the modern self is and ii) what modern politics are/have always been. So there’s a strong, tendentious claim I’d make that any stance claiming neutrality wrt idpol -like in the case of the detached objective outside observer that utilitarians are so fond of- is just gonna recapitulate the received common sense of a certain milieu. Anti-idpol is the idpol of hegemony, or something like this. In Harris’ case, it’s secular, liberal, white, wealthy, cosmopolitan reason repackaged as what everyone would arrive at if they were being sufficiently rational.

But there’s a weaker claim without all the tendentious horseshit. He’s openly considered bomb-striking third world brown people for their thought-crimes. There’s also his Californiafied yoga as health and wellness shit that fits snugly with (wait for it

) neoliberal technologies of self-improvement.

toku · « **Reply #1244 on:** April 25, 2019, 06:38:13 PM »

Oblivion · « **Reply #1245 on:** April 25, 2019, 09:28:53 PM »

https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/1121351751020445697

Rubin continues to be a fucking loser

agrajag · « **Reply #1246 on:** April 25, 2019, 09:47:40 PM »

Can't knock his hustle. The man managed to combine his verbal humiliation kink with making big conservative bucks.

Oblivion · « **Reply #1247 on:** April 25, 2019, 11:02:45 PM »

What's great about the above clip is that it was the second attempt Rubin tried to get Ben to accept his existence.

shosta · « **Reply #1248 on:** April 25, 2019, 11:05:30 PM »

I had a gay conservative for a roommate once. I talked to him at length about it, which was kind of rude in retrospect, but he was definitely cognizant that "his side" didn't always have his back and that the tradeoff was hard at times. Luckily, he was white!

Oblivion · « **Reply #1249 on:** April 25, 2019, 11:44:19 PM »

Rubin is apparently even dumber than your friend though. Rubin legitimately thinks the cons he hangs out with actually like him as "one of the good ones", as opposed to just simply taking advantage of him as a useful idiot/co-conspirator.

Crash Dummy · « **Reply #1250 on:** April 26, 2019, 03:42:01 AM »

Quote from: shosta on April 25, 2019, 11:05:30 PM

I had a gay conservative for a roommate once. I talked to him at length about it, which was kind of rude in retrospect, but he was definitely cognizant that "his side" didn't always have his back and that the tradeoff was hard at times. Luckily, he was white!

the unbearable whiteness of being

VomKriege · « **Reply #1251 on:** April 26, 2019, 04:45:00 AM »

I don't have my pulse on skeptic circles but I have some passing familiarity with it on the Internet and I'm not sure there's really any special commonality with the Far (Alt / New / Etc) Right. You'll find skeptics in all flavours and I'd say your vanilla skeptic is probably not going to respond well to any form of conspiracy theories, Holocaust negationism or the tired tropes of racial pseudo-science just by virtue of being a skeptic. Some skeptics went "woke" (to sum up things quickly) probably a lot earlier than the bunch we're discussing, right around the time of "ElevatorGate" in 2011 (a controversy where a female skeptic went very vocal about unwanted advances in an elevator while she was at a Con), off the top of my head I could name PZ Myers and Atheism+. There's long been debates on the sort of "old school militant atheism", its obsolescence and possible perversions (esp. wrt to Islam).

I think self designated skeptics feature prominently right now with the "Alt Right" because that movement (insofar as it "exists" as an entity), fancies itself as revolutionary, speaking truth to power and are trying to get accepted as legitimate and rational. And in a Western world where everything seems to be more and more framed into a binary of "Responsible Adults" Vs "The Populists", any intellectual discourse challenging the statu quo can rapidly spin you into the latter, whatever the intent.

I guess the TLDR is "Do political correctness exist, is its enforcement more strict and is it counterproductive."

benjipwns · « **Reply #1252 on:** April 26, 2019, 06:09:33 PM »

Quote from: Esch on April 25, 2019, 10:37:12 PM

I still think this is more humiliating for him. I feel awful just watching it.

https://twitter.com/hanton_jeff/status/1118549529047887872

this clip makes it sound like Dave Rubin actually tried to spring a "gay-ish" orgy on Ben Shaprio in the past

this is now canon

benjipwns · « **Reply #1253 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:56:26 AM »

I saw this in comments under stuff about the Zizek debate elsewhere and hadn't even thought about it until now...but it's something I recognized as picking at me when I've engaged with Peterson as a concept in this thread for a while.

Peterson didn't just blow off reading Marx, he doesn't seem to have even bothered to get into any critiques of Marx specifically. He seems to more have read a critique of "socialism" generally and extrapolated from there after hearing about "cultural marxism" from somewhere. I can't say that I get the impression he's really ever said "I should find out what everyone before me has said Marx got wrong." In other words, he skipped the Lit Review. (And methods. Unless "do not bother children when they are skateboarding" and "do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them" is a unique form of methodology I am unfamiliar with.)

I get YouTubers and Sean Hannity thinking they're the first to ever really break apart Marxism, socialism and their related ideas, but dude's a tenured PhD. Now I really want someone to figure out how to present a description of Peterson's whole "crusade" to himself asking his take as a clinical psychologist.

benjipwns · « **Reply #1254 on:** April 27, 2019, 10:42:02 AM »

HardcoreRetro · « **Reply #1255 on:** April 27, 2019, 10:46:59 AM »

Quote from: Esch on April 27, 2019, 09:35:02 AM

I think he's read Gulag Archipelago and The Black Book of Communism.

I think he put Gulag Archipelago and The Road to Wigan Pier as his must read books on his blog/website.

Edit: https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/books/book-list/?id=1045002

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #1256 on:** April 27, 2019, 11:54:04 AM »

There’s that Stephen Hicks book too

agrajag · « **Reply #1257 on:** April 27, 2019, 12:14:32 PM »

aww so cute, can we adopt it?

BisMarckie · « **Reply #1258 on:** April 27, 2019, 12:22:06 PM »

Quote from: agrajag on April 27, 2019, 12:14:32 PM

aww so cute, can we adopt it?

We already have Kara.

Wait a minute, has anyone seen Kara and Zizek in the same place?

Rufus · « **Reply #1259 on:** April 27, 2019, 02:43:39 PM »

Kara is an outside cat. He only comes in to eat and get his boo-boos treated.

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Author Topic: Wank Dad 2: Electric Wankaloo (Read 318489 times)