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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #1620 on: February 23, 2020, 01:48:26 AM »
Just work a bit harder bro, and you can be just like O'Leary!
Just tug the bootstraps more than your avocado toast dick


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« Reply #1621 on: February 23, 2020, 01:56:37 AM »
Well, judging from family, on the topic of happiness. There'd be hardships for sure but I think the strong sense of community, belonging, and peers makes a big difference. That and life-long adversity shapes you as a person differently. So that I, the second-gen, am much more squishier than older relatives. Some lame, but rather mundane and stable employment after growing up in real hardship must seem a breeze.

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« Reply #1622 on: February 23, 2020, 02:58:21 PM »
why you hiding your care posts punkass


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« Reply #1624 on: February 23, 2020, 08:09:56 PM »
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« Reply #1625 on: February 23, 2020, 08:58:10 PM »
Speaking of those online tests, anybody ever made one? I tried to use a site that you could make them on to make a Star Trek one ages ago and it had the worst UI so I gave up.

Probably is just a simple thing to code yourself. :lol

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« Reply #1626 on: February 23, 2020, 09:02:38 PM »
what kind of test would you make
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« Reply #1627 on: February 23, 2020, 09:02:55 PM »
Working on: Which Bore mod are you?
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« Reply #1628 on: February 23, 2020, 09:07:48 PM »
Working on: Which Bore mod are you?
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« Reply #1629 on: February 23, 2020, 09:13:42 PM »
No matter what I really want to use it for, I promise to make a TRUE Political Compass test with lots of serious well-worded questions but in reality all the results are just anarchist, MODERATE CENTRIST, communist or fascist.

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« Reply #1630 on: February 23, 2020, 10:00:40 PM »
I'm ashamed I ever took political tests seriously.
Teenage girls taking those Buzzfeed-tier quizzes was something I looked down upon but poli-quizzes are on a much lower level since you get overly invested in it :'(

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« Reply #1631 on: February 24, 2020, 02:46:42 PM »
I've been getting into Ralph Miliband (pls don't call me a reformist) and when I found out who his son was... :rofl

If you're a socialist please don't ever have children. They will only disappoint you and develop serious eating disorders:



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« Reply #1632 on: February 24, 2020, 05:21:38 PM »
There's a whole Wikipedia page for that photo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Miliband_bacon_sandwich_photograph


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« Reply #1634 on: February 24, 2020, 05:27:49 PM »
Will boot edge edge recreate the edstone too  :thinking

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« Reply #1635 on: February 24, 2020, 05:58:11 PM »
There's a whole Wikipedia page for that photo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Miliband_bacon_sandwich_photograph

Why is he doing the Pete Buttigieg thing when he eats?
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« Reply #1636 on: February 24, 2020, 06:00:21 PM »
probably on some type of amphetamine tbh :doge
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« Reply #1637 on: February 24, 2020, 09:01:56 PM »
There's a whole Wikipedia page for that photo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Miliband_bacon_sandwich_photograph

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« Reply #1639 on: February 25, 2020, 12:43:00 AM »
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PAUL KRUGMAN: By the way, I don’t think — I don’t think the people who send me hate mail think — and I am the king of hate mail — think that I’m a centrist. Right? I’m for universal healthcare. I’m for deficit spending on infrastructure. I’m for universal child care. If that’s centrism, then, you know, let’s have it. By that standard, Denmark is centrist, right?
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« Reply #1640 on: February 25, 2020, 12:48:14 AM »
Have you seen the comments on his blog? There are few men so thoroughly reviled
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« Reply #1641 on: February 25, 2020, 12:53:22 AM »
I know Paul Krugman and Thomas Friedman are two different people, but I have a hard time separating them in my head. One of them wrote a book how an iPod was the technology of the future that I read when I was younger, and I thought this fucker must be astounding constantly with shit.


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« Reply #1643 on: February 26, 2020, 09:03:04 AM »
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« Reply #1644 on: February 26, 2020, 09:50:30 AM »
Bernie never wrote love letters to kim jong un, believed putin when he said he didn't meddle in our elections, or let edrogan thugs beat on Americans on American soil.
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« Reply #1646 on: February 26, 2020, 04:51:27 PM »
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« Reply #1647 on: February 27, 2020, 05:10:45 PM »
smh at you commies not catching the most important bit of Das Kapital


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« Reply #1648 on: February 27, 2020, 05:18:58 PM »
From each according to his ability.

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« Reply #1649 on: February 28, 2020, 01:54:13 PM »
Were Chris Hayes and Rachael Maddow born from the same soy based test tube

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« Reply #1652 on: February 29, 2020, 02:52:36 AM »
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« Reply #1653 on: March 01, 2020, 02:41:51 PM »
https://monthlyreview.org/2020/03/01/hyman-minsky-at-100-was-minsky-a-communist/

MR publishing an article on Hyman Minsky's socialism...

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« Reply #1655 on: March 03, 2020, 03:47:08 PM »
I've noticed an uptick of people taking the route of "no revolution and return to normalcy"
Like this usual suspect

https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1234675066886995968

This seems like generalized bougie clutching onto power phase of society, is there a specific term for it I just recall the description. I wanna read into it.

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« Reply #1656 on: March 03, 2020, 11:05:35 PM »
starting to read



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« Reply #1658 on: March 04, 2020, 02:55:36 AM »
That book owns, probably helps to read Lenin's imperialism + first couple chapters of capital vol1 if u haven't cus a lot of the arguments follow from there imo

yeah, I'm at a loss at some points but it is presented/written such that the author actually intended for people to read it
bit depressing, poor Bangladeshis :goty

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« Reply #1659 on: March 04, 2020, 03:00:03 AM »
https://twitter.com/Tom_Fowdy/status/1235102396595888128
So Tom is saying nothing would be any different except the lingo change?


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« Reply #1661 on: March 04, 2020, 08:13:19 PM »
thanks, just reading stuff on a whim, happening upon stuff and exploring what the rest of this board talks about

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« Reply #1662 on: March 04, 2020, 08:14:49 PM »
I see why you some of you clown on self-described socialists/communists at times
redistributing the value added revenue skimming to the local proles is not remotely internationalist labour solidarity :thinking

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« Reply #1663 on: March 04, 2020, 08:33:57 PM »
I posted this great meme once that captioned some Cultural Revolution artwork with "Stand with the workers of the third world! Seize the Norwegian Sovereign Wealth Fund!" but I can't find it anymore :'(
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« Reply #1664 on: March 05, 2020, 02:36:35 AM »
I don't know what's going on at times but the book reads good.

I can recognize some well-placed sass :jawalrus
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Bhagwati et al.’s emphasis on factor endowments opens the interest-ing  possibility  that  Bangladesh  may  be  overendowed  with  a  limitless  supply  of  people  desperate  for  work,  and  that  it  is  this  oversupply  that  explains  why  wages  are  so  low,  not  the  productivity  of  those  in  work.  This would imply that wages are depressed far below marginal produc-tivity,  and  gives  rise  to  a  notion  of  exploitation,  since  it  would  mean  that  Bangladeshi  workers  are  not  fully  compensated  for  their  product.  Bhagwati et al. are rescued from this dangerous notion by their impressive faith in Say’s law

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« Reply #1665 on: March 05, 2020, 03:50:23 AM »
watching a bunch of chapo kids turn to accelerationism as cope is something

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« Reply #1666 on: March 05, 2020, 02:11:10 PM »
Family around there tended to be rural farmers types and not urbanites. So no first-hand exposure to the sweatshop business.
Kind of nice to live in a bubble tbh, reality is bleak and eeking out my contradictory political positions without them collapsing is much more pleasant. Ignorance is bliss afterall.

Convergence theory was something I thought was plausible before, but digesting the mechanics of arms-length outsourcing and etc make it obvious it was never in the cards.

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« Reply #1667 on: March 05, 2020, 02:15:02 PM »
Watching this new clip, and reading the comments really fits in with what I was reading about.
Really hits up on the braindrain of educated people whose education was paid for elsewhere to leave behind the surplus, the localized wage depression, and the pitting of proles of different races against one another in a frame conducive to exploitation with the assumption that the economic frame is immovable.  :ohhh



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This is what happens when you support global capitalism.
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Capitalism isn't the problem... it is the laws in place that allow for "outsourcing"

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« Reply #1668 on: March 05, 2020, 03:09:56 PM »
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brings tears to my eyes :uguu
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« Reply #1669 on: March 05, 2020, 03:12:16 PM »
I can't reconcile my views, I do not know what esoteric or obscure political alignment I am :stahp

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« Reply #1670 on: March 05, 2020, 03:15:33 PM »
welcome to the club


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« Reply #1672 on: March 05, 2020, 03:23:35 PM »
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« Reply #1673 on: March 05, 2020, 03:27:53 PM »
browsing through random terms
must read into Juche and Socialism in One Country some time :thinking

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« Reply #1674 on: March 05, 2020, 03:28:21 PM »
must read into Juche and Socialism in One Country some time :thinking

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« Reply #1675 on: March 05, 2020, 03:36:25 PM »
This isn't an rpg, you don't have to pick a label or anything. Just search for knowledge and find your own truth. :wow

I can tell you that this is actually the exact route I took during my own political evolution. Kara gave the fateful pregnant suggestions - first by dapping me for a Monthly Review article on Israel that I posted and then after we had a conversation later we were discussing some Jason Hickel piece op-ed about how global poverty has actually increased in raw terms and most of the reductions happened in China...

But once you're forced to confront the staggering disparities in the global economy you have to start undoing years of mental damage and indoctrination about free trade and economic development. And once you start questioning the basis of every major institution like the WTO, the IMF, or all of the think tanks that you've been outsourcing all of your thinking to for your adult life, that's when you hit that inflection point and elevate yourself beyond the eternal struggle between the left and right wings of capital. And you find your way to those communities which have been in plain sight this whole time but you couldn't see because you didn't have the right glasses on, communities which have painstakingly preserved and nurtured and expanded on schools of thought for literally hundreds of years (depending on whether you consider Rousseau or Henri de Saint-Simon to be the grandfather of the left).

Not that you'll do that or come to the same conclusions. My point is 1) nobody on Earth is internally consistent and 2) when you make a critical change in your worldview, the overall consistency will come over time as you try to reconcile and work out all the new contradictions as they come up. It's a long process and the only right way to go about it is to be honest with yourself about your hesitations or hangups, and do all the hard thinking yourself, not delegating to pre-established ideologies or your friends or some wikipedia article.

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It also helps if you're around people with different political views so that you're even aware of what your options are. Two years ago Kara made fun of me for saying I liked George Orwell and I was like "is this motherfucker serious rn" but now I'm 100% borktarded and spend every waking moment reading rosa luxemburg pamphlets saying kautsky's dick is small. you, too, can have this happiness.
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« Reply #1676 on: March 05, 2020, 03:46:36 PM »
I used to rag on Cuba and socialism for failing but didn't know much about Cuban history or CIA fuckery :stahp

Thanks though, I'll float through some literature and follow the current. TheBore, seems to double as a political realization front more and more and less the weird splinter forum.
Different, political views, lmao I'm in Alberta  :lol

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« Reply #1678 on: March 05, 2020, 03:52:25 PM »
I want to emphasize that you really do have to undo indoctrination and going to college does not help. In college I was more conservative than at any other point in my life. You make the mistake of "getting involved" or being interested in politics and you're suddenly reading papers from Brookings Institute, you're taking micro-econ classes where they tell you that unions lower economic productivity, the reason immigration is good is because it brings in cheap labor, etc. Most people don't do any real thinking for themselves, they just outsource it to whoever they think is the smartest guy in the room, but all these guys have been filtered through decades of ideological conformity, hegemony, and outright academic purges. It's what Noam Chomsky refers to as "buying the experts" in Manufacturing Consent.

The economic orthodoxy is especially destitute. Wages and interest aren't determined by marginal returns to factors of production, they're socially and historically determined by struggles between labor and capital. The most prominent mainstream economist on the left is Paul Krugman and he's one of the most important people responsible for the ideological basis of the same trade liberalization which keeps Vietnamese workers in factories ten to twelve hours a day for $200 a month. The whole discipline is irrelevant especially in the post crash world.
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« Reply #1679 on: March 05, 2020, 04:01:15 PM »
must read into Juche and Socialism in One Country some time :thinking
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