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« Reply #42960 on: August 29, 2019, 02:21:48 PM »
look at me I'm nachobro I don't know who legendary industry composer Alec Holodeck is durr durr

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« Reply #42961 on: August 29, 2019, 02:22:01 PM »
I guess I should have said "The more separate claims made by reputable -conceivably identifiable- people" because that's implicitly what I meant (it goes without saying that first hand is stronger than second hand and so on and so forth.

It's an hugely flawed method rife with potential for mob justice and all the attached problems, no disagreement here... But it exists, warts and all, for a reason. Internal policing (by companies, institutions...) and private arbitration have its set of issues and even setting aside many of the endemic issues encountered in courts around the world, it's a practical reality that not everyone can just lawyer up at all times.

The thing is, society is telling us the following over and over:

Since there is no proof either way, and prosecution rarely happens on slander and libel because you're just airing your grievances and it was the collective mob that decided to partake in such a way trying to destroy the individual, it's essentially a win-win situation for the accuser. If we got some trials over these scenarios condemning the accuser to pay a huge amount, we'd see it a lot less. But then we'd have campaigns asking to change the law, because god forbid that destroying someone's life with baseless accusations...

Here I need to make a parenthesis.

Accusations can be baseless and real. but reality is empirical, and human emotions and interactions are not. Subjective points of view don't equal reality. Omission of key elements always happen when someone tells a story. They are NEVER at fault. They never cause anything. It's always the other party. So if reality of a human interaction is subjective, the only thing that can help us determine objectivity is proof. And when there's no proof, you can't validate that your "truth" is an objective one.


PS: Marrec, the only thing DannyB is saying is that he believes Zoe because she told him back in the day and she's a wonderful person. How is that proof of anything but bias towards the person launching the accusation. He has the same proof we have: A new tale from Zoe Quinn

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« Reply #42962 on: August 29, 2019, 02:22:31 PM »
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« Reply #42963 on: August 29, 2019, 02:24:35 PM »
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« Reply #42964 on: August 29, 2019, 02:25:15 PM »
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« Reply #42965 on: August 29, 2019, 02:25:55 PM »
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I was fine with you peeing on that list until I saw castle crashers. /draws sword.


Btw I only asked about this whole situation because I don't feel I have a radical point of view, nor a boogie both sides stuff. I just need proof. Some validity. Anything other than hearsay based stuff about a person. A hearsay that might've been induced by ZQ herself since dannyB knew, and probably others too. "Avoid this guy" some say, without giving any details as to why. Years later, you reap the rewards.

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« Reply #42966 on: August 29, 2019, 02:26:49 PM »
PS: Marrec, the only thing DannyB is saying is that he believes Zoe because she told him back in the day and she's a wonderful person. How is that proof of anything but bias towards the person launching the accusation. He has the same proof we have: A new tale from Zoe Quinn

An excess of circumstantial evidence is powerful, DannyB claims that Zoe told him the tale shortly after it happened, which would mean that:

a) The story hasn't changed much over the years

b) She was telling people privately before she told people publicly

because

c) She was afraid to go public before she had more industry clout

Unless you think Danny's lying, which... why?

This along with other testimonials of Alec's behavior and character don't look very good for his case in the court of public opinion.
« Last Edit: August 29, 2019, 02:32:09 PM by marrec »

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« Reply #42967 on: August 29, 2019, 02:27:02 PM »
I'm conflicted.

One on side Zoe and Sarkeesian have reached the end of their grift because who knew being assholes to everyone and not talking to game developers at Game Development Conferences is not good for your business and networking.  :trumps

On the other side there are tons of pretentious indie game developers  :idont
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« Reply #42968 on: August 29, 2019, 02:27:16 PM »
TLDR : Justice-by-Twitter is very suboptimal, but expect it to be a mainstay in everyone's lives for the foreseeable future.

Until some millennial makes the youtube equivalent of The Scarlet Letter or The Crucible I guess :idont

e: or some poor cunt tops himself I suppose
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« Reply #42969 on: August 29, 2019, 02:27:21 PM »

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« Reply #42971 on: August 29, 2019, 02:30:37 PM »
well there's only one thing to be said

that dude rules :smug

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« Reply #42972 on: August 29, 2019, 02:32:00 PM »
PS: Marrec, the only thing DannyB is saying is that he believes Zoe because she told him back in the day and she's a wonderful person. How is that proof of anything but bias towards the person launching the accusation. He has the same proof we have: A new tale from Zoe Quinn

A excess of circumstantial evidence is powerful, DannyB claims that Zoe told him the tale shortly after it happened, which would mean that:

a) The story hasn't changed much over the years

b) She was telling people privately before she told people publicly

because

c) She was afraid to go public before she had more industry clout

Unless you think Danny's lying, which... why?

This along with other testimonials of Alec's behavior and character don't look very good for his case in the court of public opinion.

Because of this I edited in the last post:

"Btw I only asked about this whole situation because I don't feel I have a radical point of view, nor a boogie both sides stuff. I just need proof. Some validity. Anything other than hearsay based stuff about a person. A hearsay that might've been induced by ZQ herself since dannyB knew, and probably others too. "Avoid this guy" some say, without giving any details as to why. Years later, you reap the rewards."

You can plant a seed of mistrust. There's only one account that tweets that he asked for sex victim style. ZQ tells you a story, tells others a story privately. That story permeates certain circles without names being given. Fast forward and people are making claims such as "avoid relations with this guy", but no names behind it. It really correlates as a campaign of mistrust at the tipping point. The reasons for doing it now? Escapes me. I don't live in her brain.

PS: Did you know that a couple sentences about someone before you meet him/her are enough to condition your response to his/her actions, mannerisms, ideas, etc?
« Last Edit: August 29, 2019, 02:36:54 PM by daemon »

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« Reply #42973 on: August 29, 2019, 02:32:04 PM »
The venn diagram of people who claim to be indie game developers and those that actually ship games intersects at bad relationships  :teehee
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« Reply #42974 on: August 29, 2019, 02:33:05 PM »
well there's only one thing to be said

that dude rules :smug

No, he's super problematic, as you can see.

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« Reply #42975 on: August 29, 2019, 02:33:24 PM »
Accusers also get their faire share of vitriol and harassment (that renewed Michael Jackson controversy, for instance) and are also taking the risk of burning bridges.
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« Reply #42976 on: August 29, 2019, 02:34:36 PM »
Accusers also get their faire share of vitriol and harassment (that renewed Michael Jackson controversy, for instance) and are also taking the risk of burning bridges.

Yes, claiming it over someone that was acquitted of charges and changing stories with the support MJ had is entirely different than this game development legend I never heard about. In this case the accuser has more actual social power than the accused. It's quite fascinating.

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« Reply #42977 on: August 29, 2019, 02:35:02 PM »
stufte annihilated

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« Reply #42978 on: August 29, 2019, 02:36:43 PM »
PS: Marrec, the only thing DannyB is saying is that he believes Zoe because she told him back in the day and she's a wonderful person. How is that proof of anything but bias towards the person launching the accusation. He has the same proof we have: A new tale from Zoe Quinn

A excess of circumstantial evidence is powerful, DannyB claims that Zoe told him the tale shortly after it happened, which would mean that:

a) The story hasn't changed much over the years

b) She was telling people privately before she told people publicly

because

c) She was afraid to go public before she had more industry clout

Unless you think Danny's lying, which... why?

This along with other testimonials of Alec's behavior and character don't look very good for his case in the court of public opinion.

Because of this I edited in the last post:

"Btw I only asked about this whole situation because I don't feel I have a radical point of view, nor a boogie both sides stuff. I just need proof. Some validity. Anything other than hearsay based stuff about a person. A hearsay that might've been induced by ZQ herself since dannyB knew, and probably others too. "Avoid this guy" some say, without giving any details as to why. Years later, you reap the rewards."

You can plant a seed of mistrust. There's only one account that tweets that he asked for sex victim style. ZQ tells you a story, tells others a story privately. That story permeates certain circles without names being given. Fast forward and people are making claims such as "avoid relations with this guy", but no names behind it. It really correlates as a campaign of mistrust at the tipping point. The reasons for doing it now? Escapes me. I don't live in her brain.

I suppose it's possible that Zoe started this rumor as some kind of Burn Notice for Alec's career but... again, why? Revenge for a bad relationship? She's a sociopath who just wants to hurt people? Why now? Because Jeremy Soule was also accused?

I dunno, all that doesn't make as much sense as some weepy emo Canadian indie dev/composer being a certified pervert abuser that Zoe shacked up with because she has horrible taste in men.

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« Reply #42979 on: August 29, 2019, 02:37:09 PM »

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« Reply #42980 on: August 29, 2019, 02:38:32 PM »
Accusers also get their faire share of vitriol and harassment (that renewed Michael Jackson controversy, for instance) and are also taking the risk of burning bridges.

Yes, claiming it over someone that was acquitted of charges and changing stories with the support MJ had is entirely different than this game development legend I never heard about. In this case the accuser has more actual social power than the accused. It's quite fascinating.

Ehhh... again just because Zoe's got more followers on Twitter doesn't mean she has more social power. Alec is extremely influential and well connected.

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« Reply #42981 on: August 29, 2019, 02:40:28 PM »
unless riotous' rapist friend is secretly demi i don't believe this story. that broad is a hog and a half :yuck

marrec

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« Reply #42982 on: August 29, 2019, 02:43:26 PM »
Complaining about EGS is the conversational equivalent of LARPing in a public park.

You're free to do it but we're all going to judge you for the virgins you are.

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« Reply #42983 on: August 29, 2019, 02:44:27 PM »
PS: Marrec, the only thing DannyB is saying is that he believes Zoe because she told him back in the day and she's a wonderful person. How is that proof of anything but bias towards the person launching the accusation. He has the same proof we have: A new tale from Zoe Quinn

A excess of circumstantial evidence is powerful, DannyB claims that Zoe told him the tale shortly after it happened, which would mean that:

a) The story hasn't changed much over the years

b) She was telling people privately before she told people publicly

because

c) She was afraid to go public before she had more industry clout

Unless you think Danny's lying, which... why?

This along with other testimonials of Alec's behavior and character don't look very good for his case in the court of public opinion.

Because of this I edited in the last post:

"Btw I only asked about this whole situation because I don't feel I have a radical point of view, nor a boogie both sides stuff. I just need proof. Some validity. Anything other than hearsay based stuff about a person. A hearsay that might've been induced by ZQ herself since dannyB knew, and probably others too. "Avoid this guy" some say, without giving any details as to why. Years later, you reap the rewards."

You can plant a seed of mistrust. There's only one account that tweets that he asked for sex victim style. ZQ tells you a story, tells others a story privately. That story permeates certain circles without names being given. Fast forward and people are making claims such as "avoid relations with this guy", but no names behind it. It really correlates as a campaign of mistrust at the tipping point. The reasons for doing it now? Escapes me. I don't live in her brain.

I suppose it's possible that Zoe started this rumor as some kind of Burn Notice for Alec's career but... again, why? Revenge for a bad relationship? She's a sociopath who just wants to hurt people? Why now? Because Jeremy Soule was also accused?

I dunno, all that doesn't make as much sense as some weepy emo Canadian indie dev/composer being a certified pervert abuser that Zoe shacked up with because she has horrible taste in men.

In social media, the preemtive attack always deals critical damage. As you can see, suggestions, hearsay are enough to determine what that person is like. and it all boils down to this:

"Did you know that a couple sentences about someone before you meet him/her are enough to condition your response to his/her actions, mannerisms, ideas, etc?"

Your response, much like everyone else who didn't personally know him or never interacted with him, is based on prejudice.

You know who's been caught being an immoral and abusive piece of shit (reciprocal abuse with eron, of course)? Yes, ZQ. But that's never the case, because it's compelling to "punch up", right?


Again, if proof arises and he's a piece of shit i'll say it loud and clear. For now, the side effects of a career destruction are already there and all of that without proof. I hope you can understand how that vexes me as a creator.

Ehhh... again just because Zoe's got more followers on Twitter doesn't mean she has more social power. Alec is extremely influential and well connected.

I think you need a lesson in propaganda. The X is a pedophile argument has been used by catholics and soviets alike. the idea is that you leave the accused in an impossible to be defended position. Side with that person, you're the same as him. The idea is to do character assassination so the impact only comes from one side. Even if you knew, respected and liked working with Alec, you wouldn't touch this issue even with oven mitts.
« Last Edit: August 29, 2019, 02:50:04 PM by daemon »

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« Reply #42984 on: August 29, 2019, 02:45:58 PM »
Download Celeste for free on EGS today

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« Reply #42985 on: August 29, 2019, 02:47:11 PM »

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« Reply #42986 on: August 29, 2019, 02:49:07 PM »
Download Celeste for free on EGS today

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« Reply #42987 on: August 29, 2019, 02:49:38 PM »
:piss Kirsten Gillibrand :piss2
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« Reply #42988 on: August 29, 2019, 02:51:21 PM »
Accusers also get their faire share of vitriol and harassment (that renewed Michael Jackson controversy, for instance) and are also taking the risk of burning bridges.

Yes, claiming it over someone that was acquitted of charges and changing stories with the support MJ had is entirely different than this game development legend I never heard about. In this case the accuser has more actual social power than the accused. It's quite fascinating.

I think it's a bit foolhardy to think that because she's a bigger Internet celebrity, she has more social power. It may or may not be true, not sure it maps 1:1.

Really at the end of day, what did Zoe Quinn get out of her Nefarious Master Plan ? According to the most bitter critics and to indulge for a minute the most hateful narrative : some good reviews for her first game, a handful of gigs, a bunch of canceled projets and some D-grade money grifting.

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« Reply #42989 on: August 29, 2019, 02:51:45 PM »
Download Celeste for free on EGS today

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« Reply #42990 on: August 29, 2019, 02:52:17 PM »
Are Zoe Quinn and Brianna Wu the same person or am I thinking of someone else
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« Reply #42991 on: August 29, 2019, 02:53:01 PM »
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« Reply #42992 on: August 29, 2019, 02:55:15 PM »
Accusers also get their faire share of vitriol and harassment (that renewed Michael Jackson controversy, for instance) and are also taking the risk of burning bridges.

Yes, claiming it over someone that was acquitted of charges and changing stories with the support MJ had is entirely different than this game development legend I never heard about. In this case the accuser has more actual social power than the accused. It's quite fascinating.

I think it's a bit foolhardy to think that because she's a bigger Internet celebrity, she has more social power.

Really at the end of day, why did Zoe Quinn get out of her Nefarious Master Plan ? According to the most bitter critics and to indulge for a minute the most hateful narrative : some good reviews for her first game, a handful of gigs, a bunch of canceled projets and some D-grade money grifting.

:yeshrug

Book deals, being on the UN (that was quite the LOL, in davie504's voice). Generally speaking, create a network based on a victim status, not actual professional behavior. How is she ever going to live when all that fades like a distant dream and she's no longer a subject of public sympathy. This is why reigniting the flame is so convenient. As you said, the benefits weren't as great, but generally people accepted her point of view: why wouldn't that happen again?

Remember that sheer social pressure has turned companies upside down, affecting even their stock value... for a tweet.

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« Reply #42993 on: August 29, 2019, 02:55:22 PM »
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« Reply #42994 on: August 29, 2019, 02:55:37 PM »
Accusers also get their faire share of vitriol and harassment (that renewed Michael Jackson controversy, for instance) and are also taking the risk of burning bridges.

Yes, claiming it over someone that was acquitted of charges and changing stories with the support MJ had is entirely different than this game development legend I never heard about. In this case the accuser has more actual social power than the accused. It's quite fascinating.

Ehhh... again just because Zoe's got more followers on Twitter doesn't mean she has more social power. Alec is extremely influential and well connected.

Influential among who though? Zoe Quinn is actually able to cash in on her name (see her comic book, her kickstarter, etc), this dude made a shithouse walking sim that everyone forgot about the moment it released. The only people he's connected to are other indie game nobodies that Zoe firmly has a leg up on.

I believe Zoe but she is astronomically more connected and influential than this nobody. Getting twitter mobbed by her is the most we're ever gonna hear this dude's name.

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« Reply #42995 on: August 29, 2019, 02:56:29 PM »
Every indie game is either a Metroidvania or a roguelike nowadays

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« Reply #42996 on: August 29, 2019, 03:00:31 PM »
Really at the end of day, what did Zoe Quinn get out of her Nefarious Master Plan ? According to the most bitter critics and to indulge for a minute the most hateful narrative : some good reviews for her first game, a handful of gigs, a bunch of canceled projets and some D-grade money grifting.

:yeshrug

You're right, but that same logical test also applies to every other false accusation thats ever happened; why would they do that? what would they get out of it? would someone really do that just for money and/or attention?

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« Reply #42997 on: August 29, 2019, 03:01:18 PM »
Really at the end of day, what did Zoe Quinn get out of her Nefarious Master Plan ? According to the most bitter critics and to indulge for a minute the most hateful narrative : some good reviews for her first game, a handful of gigs, a bunch of canceled projets and some D-grade money grifting.

:yeshrug

You're right, but that same logical test also applies to every other false accusation thats ever happened; why would they do that? what would they get out of it? would someone really do that just for money and/or attention?


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« Reply #42998 on: August 29, 2019, 03:01:55 PM »
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« Reply #43000 on: August 29, 2019, 03:04:17 PM »
Over/Under on how many months until GameStop twitter has a heated gaming moment on purpose

7.5 months

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« Reply #43001 on: August 29, 2019, 03:05:35 PM »
Accusers also get their faire share of vitriol and harassment (that renewed Michael Jackson controversy, for instance) and are also taking the risk of burning bridges.

Yes, claiming it over someone that was acquitted of charges and changing stories with the support MJ had is entirely different than this game development legend I never heard about. In this case the accuser has more actual social power than the accused. It's quite fascinating.

I think it's a bit foolhardy to think that because she's a bigger Internet celebrity, she has more social power. It may or may not be true, not sure it maps 1:1.

Really at the end of day, what did Zoe Quinn get out of her Nefarious Master Plan ? According to the most bitter critics and to indulge for a minute the most hateful narrative : some good reviews for her first game, a handful of gigs, a bunch of canceled projets and some D-grade money grifting.

:yeshrug

Being a perpetual sacred cow, people pretending she is a writer and having a network of enablers. How many years took for places like the bore to talk about her without pretending she wasn’t a scumbag?

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« Reply #43002 on: August 29, 2019, 03:06:12 PM »
Really at the end of day, what did Zoe Quinn get out of her Nefarious Master Plan ? According to the most bitter critics and to indulge for a minute the most hateful narrative : some good reviews for her first game, a handful of gigs, a bunch of canceled projets and some D-grade money grifting.

:yeshrug

You're right, but that same logical test also applies to every other false accusation thats ever happened; why would they do that? what would they get out of it? would someone really do that just for money and/or attention?

My argument is more "I've cared too much already about her for a year" than arguing that false accusations have to be rational (they obviously are often not).
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« Reply #43004 on: August 29, 2019, 03:08:56 PM »
So the bottom line is: Pray you're never successful and engage with a sociopath that is part of a protected group. Surely if you've managed to build enough connections you might get enough support, but don't be so sure, wilder things have happened.


It's just really like homicide. Just pray you're not at the pointy end of that knife.

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« Reply #43005 on: August 29, 2019, 03:10:50 PM »
So what's your stance on this Alec Holowka and Zoe Quinn thing? The devs from Night in the Woods have already ceased to work with Alec saying they believe Quinn's tale. Because right now it's all a one-sided story that obviously paints him in a bad light, but we've seen factual information about the lack of morality when it comes to... certain stuff from Zoe (which doesn't mean we should enable the GG narrative, but we shouldn't sweep it under the rug as if it didn't exist).

 Now the thing is, a guy is actively being demonized by someone in a position of a magnitude of 10 times the social media outreach, and is weaponizing it to tell her story in hopes of, possibly, being in the spotlight again. A spotlight that surely creates haters, but generates way more net income and benefits. I like the established narrative of calling him "a legend", like if he was the Weinstein of fucking gaming. All that while she has 123k followers in comparison to the 10k Alec has.

I just hope that in this case if the whole story (or at least the relevant parts) is not true, Alec puts Zoe on trial for a huge lump sum which stops this free of consequences target drawing she's so good at. And I'm talking suing for 6 figures. Well she and any other person that does it. A recent example is the proJared case.

Corroboration by others who were communicating with Zoe at the time and accusations of misconduct against Alec by others before Zoe seem to indicate that she's likely telling the truth about her experiences, also the timeline matches up and she'd have little reason to lie at this point.

This is information I was missing, could I get any links?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/481510/Night_in_the_Woods/

Man, fuck this trend of review bombing to air your grievances... I hate this timeline.

This is actually one of the few instances where I see validity to it. 3 dev team, they disassociate from one throwing him overboard based on... no tangible proof afaik. So some people don't want to support the two remaining devs that took this path to protect the IP over their colleague. Still, it's petty.

This one, however, is great:

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Lays his doubts, still likes the game, thumbs up.

You know what is the difference between the cases Jared and Vic? Jared actually has competent lawyers that told him to shut up about it. Why the fuck people insist  to compare them?

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« Reply #43006 on: August 29, 2019, 03:12:34 PM »
You know what is the difference between the cases Jared and Vic? Jared actually has competent lawyers that told him to shut up about it. Why the fuck people insist  to compare them?

I'm very detached from the Vic stuff, I don't even know what Vic supposedly did. What I like is that while he keeps himself from siding with anyone based on lack of evidence, he doesn't downvote the game and encourages people to buy it.

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #43007 on: August 29, 2019, 03:13:13 PM »
Over/Under on how many months until GameStop twitter has a heated gaming moment on purpose

7.5 months

Can’t wait till GameStop twitter says the n-word

Boredfrom

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #43008 on: August 29, 2019, 03:16:07 PM »
He needs to do a ProjaredAndySignore and shut up and wait for some months while building a defense. Doing a Vic is the worse advice he can get right now.

I will say projared having an actual screenshot of himself asking ARE YOU 18 and the other person says YES OF COURSE LOL is probably something he should've whipped out :doge immediately when the accusations dropped

it's more compelling to present this all at once but jesus that's kind of an important detail

When GG was raging on, Brianna Wu claimed she was receiving death threats from a dude named Jace that ended being a Troll (though at the time most people thought he was just mentally ill but  mostly harmless ala Chris Chan), when it was pointed out in OldGaf the guy that say this was banned at the spot.

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #43009 on: August 29, 2019, 03:16:07 PM »
https://twitter.com/NetflixIsAJoke/status/1167135352613724161

Netflix ain't giving Ree time to recover from Dave  :lol
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #43010 on: August 29, 2019, 03:16:14 PM »
tremendous amount of careposting and  :snore that yes, to my shame I did read with interest.
What they (Zoe, etc.) are claiming seems to check out with the multiple other people backing it up, but goddamn if something doesn't feel really, really off about it. Specifically, the seemingly coordinated rollout and all the old faces jumping in on it. (When the fuck was the last time Leigh Alexander showed up?)

But it's all just gossip for those not directly involved. So who cares what I or most people think?

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #43011 on: August 29, 2019, 03:20:58 PM »
Also the "industry legend" stuff with Alec is accurate, he's been influential in indie gaming for over a decade despite not having identifiable or successful game releases attached to his name until recently.

He's legendary and no one is really doubtful, teams cut ties, there's secrecy involving his evil deeds (a mastermind) and people who live with him are shocked but not surprised. That makes sense. You see, I have a sociopath aunt. I know what lies she's perpetrated through the years and how much she's been able to convince people with zero proof. Some people are just like that. Remember she became what she is now due to a couple posts of a wizard imageboard. Wow, two people said mean things-> "this is what the male fantasy looks like meme"


But let me ask you then: Why are you believing tweets that offer barely anything but "impressions" and hearsay? Did you believe zoe's bf chat logs (actual tangible information unless doctored). I believe the words used by certain forum board back in the day were "vengeful" and "misogynistic" referring to them. Aiming the downspout of your hysterical fanbase towards one person because you saw how effective it was when someone else did it... eh.


Can we all agree that some people do not have any judgement and just move with the current, like jellyfish? I just hope you're never resetera'd in real life.

I honestly don't think I have to dredge of memories of "zoe's bf" (it's hilarious that this is his legacy), her accusation seems credible and has been backed up by DannyB and others. Also, abusers tend to gravitate toward each other, something to do with recognizing vulnerability and codependency in each other. I'm sure Zoe's got a whole book full of bad relationships she's been abusive in and been abused in.

Alec should of course get his change to respond, but is it REALLY so hard to believe that some posing industry fuckboi abused a young Zoe Quinn?

No offense but I will not trust Zoe friends in anything at all. She and her group has burned a lot of goodwill.

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #43012 on: August 29, 2019, 03:24:04 PM »
tremendous amount of careposting and  :snore that yes, to my shame I did read with interest.
What they (Zoe, etc.) are claiming seems to check out with the multiple other people backing it up, but goddamn if something doesn't feel really, really off about it. Specifically, the seemingly coordinated rollout and all the old faces jumping in on it. (When the fuck was the last time Leigh Alexander showed up?)

But it's all just gossip for those not directly involved. So who cares what I or most people think?

I just imagine myself in his shoes. Maybe I did a bad decision in a short relationship, maybe... whatever... happened, happened. It's not as black and white but I didn't act morally right on a moment of my life, let's say. Person I was with launches accusation with skewed yet compelling details -> I get publicly shamed and fired from something that I helped create. Surely there's always the position of being able to sue, but they already assassinated you on a career level. Maybe several years will need to pass until you get another industry related job.

Boredfrom

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #43013 on: August 29, 2019, 03:30:57 PM »
Accusers also get their faire share of vitriol and harassment (that renewed Michael Jackson controversy, for instance) and are also taking the risk of burning bridges.

Yes, claiming it over someone that was acquitted of charges and changing stories with the support MJ had is entirely different than this game development legend I never heard about. In this case the accuser has more actual social power than the accused. It's quite fascinating.

Ehhh... again just because Zoe's got more followers on Twitter doesn't mean she has more social power. Alec is extremely influential and well connected.

 :lol

Dude, remember this?

Somehow this “game” was notorious enough to get Vice attention (Zoe previous work was a VN and the shitstorm of GG), but the game right now is actually super dead.

Also, remember this:

https://www.polygon.com/2015/9/25/9399169/united-nations-women-cyber-violence-anita-sarkeesian-zoe-quinn


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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #43014 on: August 29, 2019, 03:46:26 PM »
I just imagine myself in his shoes. Maybe I did a bad decision in a short relationship, maybe... whatever... happened, happened. It's not as black and white but I didn't act morally right on a moment of my life, let's say. Person I was with launches accusation with skewed yet compelling details -> I get publicly shamed and fired from something that I helped create. Surely there's always the position of being able to sue, but they already assassinated you on a career level. Maybe several years will need to pass until you get another industry related job.

I think a lot of people of any gender and any sexual orientation if they really stop and think about it probably have a relationship in their past that ended kinda badly, and they still feel kinda bad about how shit went down, and probably have one where they were the asshole and one where they were the person who got shat on.

Not era incels, obviously, who approach human relationships based on what they saw on TV about it.

e:
I mean, fuck, gamergate literally started because zoe quinn fucked over her boyfriend so badly he went baaawwwwing about it online

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #43015 on: August 29, 2019, 03:53:13 PM »
https://twitter.com/NetflixIsAJoke/status/1167135352613724161

Netflix ain't giving Ree time to recover from Dave  :lol

comedy bits on family life :nope

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #43016 on: August 29, 2019, 03:54:32 PM »
Bill Burr getting pissed at literally anything never gets old.  :lol
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #43017 on: August 29, 2019, 04:03:02 PM »
https://twitter.com/NetflixIsAJoke/status/1167135352613724161

Netflix ain't giving Ree time to recover from Dave  :lol

comedy bits on family life :nope
He had the opportunity to grow old alone and bitter (the basis of his comedy), and he SQUANDERED IT.
And for what?!
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #43018 on: August 29, 2019, 04:03:57 PM »
shit dogg I just realized how we get "all these stories coming out of the woodwork"

it's just the "stay safe" bullshit

"an explosion in Milwaukee Wisconsin?  my mom was just there a week ago  :o"



imagine you are a struggling indie dev and you go to one of those hott indie dev parties

and across the room you see him

John Stardew himself

your brush with greatness!

you will never forget this moment

2 years later someone accuses him of doing the rape sex and you convince yourself that he was chatting with that girl in the corner in kind of an aggressive way and get to be internet famous telling the story

I mean imagine if you told the story of seeing him at the party but said he seemed cool and actually defended him in his hour of need  :lol
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #43019 on: August 29, 2019, 04:11:54 PM »
John Stardew :lol
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