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« Reply #3900 on: March 24, 2020, 05:49:39 AM »


A lot of people comment on Italy having more intergenerational homes and whatnot, I guess it's true to an extent but it seems a bit of a stereotype. I would imagine that like anywhere in the modern Western world, a proportion of old people live in retirement/nursing homes.

It's a stereotype but with exponential growth even a bit more mixing between old people and young people could lead to big growth in infections among the old high risk group. Because the old people don't just live with with their familiy but also will have lots of contact among their age group.

Germany on the other handy is kinda notorious for their segregation of old people. We "love" to put our older family members into retirement homes or hire cheap labour from eastern europe to take care of them. Admittedly I don't have data to compare it to other countries. It's shitty but might have made a difference here.
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« Reply #3901 on: March 24, 2020, 05:53:44 AM »
That's my point though. France fucking loves retirement homes too, and it creates vulnerable clusters once it gets in (via the staff for instance). I don't know if it's "better" really. Germany maybe lucked out with who is getting infected or the baseline social distance helped.

We'll only know when the dust settles and scientists will be able to study with more data instead of meeting urgent needs.
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« Reply #3904 on: March 24, 2020, 07:21:00 AM »
That's my point though. France fucking loves retirement homes too, and it creates vulnerable clusters once it gets in (via the staff for instance). I don't know if it's "better" really. Germany maybe lucked out with who is getting infected or the baseline social distance helped.

We'll only know when the dust settles and scientists will be able to study with more data instead of meeting urgent needs.
There is a retirement home that got 9 deaths :/

Anyway El Pais had a rather good article on the situation in Germany and why it still looks relatively okay compared to Spain or Italy for example.
https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020/03/20/actualidad/1584729408_422864.html
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The figures for the coronavirus in Germany hide a riddle: the country has 19,000 confirmed cases and only 68 deaths. That leaves a fatality rate of 0.36%, much lower than in France (2%), Spain (4%) and Italy (8%). We know that this difference is influenced by Germany's ability to carry out thousands of tests. But there must be something else. Germany's case fatality rate is also exceptionally low compared to South Korea (1%), whose diagnostic capacity is also considered high. So how do we explain the German case? On Friday, the spokesman for the Spanish Health Ministry, Fernando Simon, said that they do not know. And neither do the German authorities have a definitive explanation. But there are at least three hypotheses.


1. It is possible that the virus broke out in Germany later. The first local outbreak of contagion within Europe was detected in Italy and was well advanced when it emerged: that is why the dead arrived quickly there. It was only a week from the infected number 20 to the dead number 20. This suggests that the outbreak had been active for weeks, because it takes two or three weeks for the disease to cause death.


The alarm in Italy made European countries redouble their detection efforts. In Spain, the number of detected cases of an outbreak that was actually already here multiplied.

The first cases were also detected in Germany, but their outbreak was probably at an early stage. "Germany recognized its outbreak very early. We are two or three weeks ahead of some neighbouring countries," virologist Christian Drosten told Zeit. "We did it because we made a lot of diagnoses, we tested a lot. We certainly missed cases in that first phase. But I don't think we missed a major outbreak.

That could explain their lower mortality rate. For two reasons. First, because if Germany has detected the cases early on, it will have detected more young people, who are the first to be infected (they travel more and have more contact with foreigners). Young people are more resistant to the virus. Deaths are more common when the virus advances and older people become infected.


The other reason is that deaths take time to occur. In many countries we have seen death rates rise over time. This is what happened in South Korea, where the tests are being exhaustive and mortality has doubled from 0.5% to 1.1% between 1 and 20 March. If the outbreak in Germany is more recent than in Spain or Italy, its fatality figures could increase.


2. The sick Germans are younger. In Germany, the age of a sample of those infected is published daily, so we know that the average is 47 years old and that only 20% are over 60. These figures are similar to those of Korea (I), but very different from those of Italy, where the average age of those infected - which are detected - is 66 years and where 58% are over 60 years old (I). The oldest Covid-19 patients are cases with a higher risk. The population pyramid of each country could also have an influence. Italy is the European country with the most over-65s (26%), while in Korea they are only 14%. But that doesn't help explain the German case, where 25% of the inhabitants are 65 or older.

Cultural factors may also play a role. Data from China says that between 75% and 80% of Covid-19 infections have occurred in families, as Bruce Aylward of the WHO explained to The New York Times. But daily contact between young and old is not the same in all societies. As Moritz Kuhn of the University of Bonn (Germany) suggests, people between 30 and 49 years old living with their parents exceed 20% in Italy, China or Japan, while in Germany they are just over 10%.


3. Behind everything are the tests. Germany has ensured through the Robert Koch Institute, the center responsible for disease control, that it can perform 160,000 tests per week. The country could have done up to 4,000 tests per million people, far from the 625 per million that Spain has done. It is clear that better detection reduces the gross death rates to bring them closer to reality: if you count all the infections - including the mildest ones - the death rate per infected person will be lower.

This is also what the numbers from South Korea suggest. It is the country that has done the most testing (more than 5,000 per million inhabitants), and although its outbreak is now several weeks old, it is still one of the countries with the lowest lethality, 1.1%, which is often used as a reference.

The low lethality of the virus in Germany is probably due to a mixture of several things. Its figures will probably remain far below those of Spain and Italy, as long as the country is still able to test massively. But if another factor is that your outbreak is at an earlier stage, your death numbers will increase and the lethality will rise. The question is how much.
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Anyway, I'm glad it isn't that bad and that German hospitals can actually help out parts of France and that they're taking some patients from Italy as well. Hopefully once the lockdown stabilizes the situation, we can take in even more patients.

In other news. I really think that the situation will change in regards to China as big producer. I don't think Europe wants to rely solely on shipments that take 4 weeks on a huge cargo ship until they are here. It's one thing using planes in emergency situations like that, but I doubt everyone wants to go on like that with the current delievery chain being so behind. Really curious if that will actually change and those supply chains will become smaller again.

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« Reply #3907 on: March 24, 2020, 07:35:25 AM »
Apparently the guy that runs the liquor store over here is in a medically induced coma.

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« Reply #3909 on: March 24, 2020, 07:38:56 AM »
French farms looking for 200k temp workers for harvest season (generally filled with young people and foreign laborers). Authorities are advising food distributors to buy more French products (only a recommendation).
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« Reply #3910 on: March 24, 2020, 07:50:52 AM »
Alright you nerds, put down Animal Crossing. Let’s platinum this shit and save the world.
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« Reply #3911 on: March 24, 2020, 07:53:47 AM »


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« Reply #3912 on: March 24, 2020, 07:59:05 AM »


 :lol

What's happening here, is it an ironic play of the anthem ?
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« Reply #3913 on: March 24, 2020, 08:03:50 AM »
Purely anecdotal and not surprising but according to some Gendarme somewhere, you have a bunch of people calling in to report their neighbour breaking lockdown (...to go to their mailbox). Also a flood of calls to ask what and what is not an authorized case for going out with a certificate.
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« Reply #3914 on: March 24, 2020, 08:05:52 AM »
Purely anecdotal and not surprising but according to some Gendarme somewhere, you have a bunch of people calling in to report their neighbour breaking lockdown (...to go to their mailbox). Also a flood of calls to ask what and what is not an authorized case for going out with a certificate.


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« Reply #3916 on: March 24, 2020, 08:16:38 AM »


 :lol

What's happening here, is it an ironic play of the anthem ?
Nah, pneumologist first says to the patients "All of Italy is thinking about you/rooting for you" and then plays the anthem to cheer them up.
I just thought it was funny image.

Purely anecdotal and not surprising but according to some Gendarme somewhere, you have a bunch of people calling in to report their neighbour breaking lockdown (...to go to their mailbox). Also a flood of calls to ask what and what is not an authorized case for going out with a certificate.
Here, they scream from the windows to stay home, to anyone that passes by.
Catcalling in a time of crisis.  :doge
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« Reply #3917 on: March 24, 2020, 08:36:05 AM »
Here's some feelsbad news of the day.

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Fears were growing in Spain on Monday of a spiralling coronavirus death toll among the nation’s elderly after military units sent in to offer emergency healthcare assistance and disinfect old people's homes, but found an unspecified number of abandoned dead bodies.

According to Spain’s Ministry of Defence, the military teams found that most of the staff had stopped going to work in several privately-run centres after residents began to fall ill with Covid-19, leaving the sick and dying unattended.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/23/spanish-army-finds-abandoned-dead-bodies-old-peoples-homes/

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« Reply #3918 on: March 24, 2020, 08:38:49 AM »
Jesus. If true that might actually classify as a crime. :fbm
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« Reply #3920 on: March 24, 2020, 09:08:48 AM »
https://twitter.com/HeidiNBC/status/1242238268277755905

Edit:. Apparently they took aquarium cleaner which had chloroquine as an active component

This is some Darwin-level shit if true.  :lol

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« Reply #3922 on: March 24, 2020, 09:19:08 AM »
My brother is staying with me and my mom now. I was wondering why... and then I realized it's because if my mom gets sick, she wants us both to be here.
Sounds like a suicide pact
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« Reply #3923 on: March 24, 2020, 09:19:46 AM »
That's my point though. France fucking loves retirement homes too, and it creates vulnerable clusters once it gets in (via the staff for instance). I don't know if it's "better" really. Germany maybe lucked out with who is getting infected or the baseline social distance helped.

We'll only know when the dust settles and scientists will be able to study with more data instead of meeting urgent needs.
There is a retirement home that got 9 deaths :/

Anyway El Pais had a rather good article on the situation in Germany and why it still looks relatively okay compared to Spain or Italy for example.
https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020/03/20/actualidad/1584729408_422864.html
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The figures for the coronavirus in Germany hide a riddle: the country has 19,000 confirmed cases and only 68 deaths. That leaves a fatality rate of 0.36%, much lower than in France (2%), Spain (4%) and Italy (8%). We know that this difference is influenced by Germany's ability to carry out thousands of tests. But there must be something else. Germany's case fatality rate is also exceptionally low compared to South Korea (1%), whose diagnostic capacity is also considered high. So how do we explain the German case? On Friday, the spokesman for the Spanish Health Ministry, Fernando Simon, said that they do not know. And neither do the German authorities have a definitive explanation. But there are at least three hypotheses.


1. It is possible that the virus broke out in Germany later. The first local outbreak of contagion within Europe was detected in Italy and was well advanced when it emerged: that is why the dead arrived quickly there. It was only a week from the infected number 20 to the dead number 20. This suggests that the outbreak had been active for weeks, because it takes two or three weeks for the disease to cause death.


The alarm in Italy made European countries redouble their detection efforts. In Spain, the number of detected cases of an outbreak that was actually already here multiplied.

The first cases were also detected in Germany, but their outbreak was probably at an early stage. "Germany recognized its outbreak very early. We are two or three weeks ahead of some neighbouring countries," virologist Christian Drosten told Zeit. "We did it because we made a lot of diagnoses, we tested a lot. We certainly missed cases in that first phase. But I don't think we missed a major outbreak.

That could explain their lower mortality rate. For two reasons. First, because if Germany has detected the cases early on, it will have detected more young people, who are the first to be infected (they travel more and have more contact with foreigners). Young people are more resistant to the virus. Deaths are more common when the virus advances and older people become infected.


The other reason is that deaths take time to occur. In many countries we have seen death rates rise over time. This is what happened in South Korea, where the tests are being exhaustive and mortality has doubled from 0.5% to 1.1% between 1 and 20 March. If the outbreak in Germany is more recent than in Spain or Italy, its fatality figures could increase.


2. The sick Germans are younger. In Germany, the age of a sample of those infected is published daily, so we know that the average is 47 years old and that only 20% are over 60. These figures are similar to those of Korea (I), but very different from those of Italy, where the average age of those infected - which are detected - is 66 years and where 58% are over 60 years old (I). The oldest Covid-19 patients are cases with a higher risk. The population pyramid of each country could also have an influence. Italy is the European country with the most over-65s (26%), while in Korea they are only 14%. But that doesn't help explain the German case, where 25% of the inhabitants are 65 or older.

Cultural factors may also play a role. Data from China says that between 75% and 80% of Covid-19 infections have occurred in families, as Bruce Aylward of the WHO explained to The New York Times. But daily contact between young and old is not the same in all societies. As Moritz Kuhn of the University of Bonn (Germany) suggests, people between 30 and 49 years old living with their parents exceed 20% in Italy, China or Japan, while in Germany they are just over 10%.


3. Behind everything are the tests. Germany has ensured through the Robert Koch Institute, the center responsible for disease control, that it can perform 160,000 tests per week. The country could have done up to 4,000 tests per million people, far from the 625 per million that Spain has done. It is clear that better detection reduces the gross death rates to bring them closer to reality: if you count all the infections - including the mildest ones - the death rate per infected person will be lower.

This is also what the numbers from South Korea suggest. It is the country that has done the most testing (more than 5,000 per million inhabitants), and although its outbreak is now several weeks old, it is still one of the countries with the lowest lethality, 1.1%, which is often used as a reference.

The low lethality of the virus in Germany is probably due to a mixture of several things. Its figures will probably remain far below those of Spain and Italy, as long as the country is still able to test massively. But if another factor is that your outbreak is at an earlier stage, your death numbers will increase and the lethality will rise. The question is how much.
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Anyway, I'm glad it isn't that bad and that German hospitals can actually help out parts of France and that they're taking some patients from Italy as well. Hopefully once the lockdown stabilizes the situation, we can take in even more patients.

In other news. I really think that the situation will change in regards to China as big producer. I don't think Europe wants to rely solely on shipments that take 4 weeks on a huge cargo ship until they are here. It's one thing using planes in emergency situations like that, but I doubt everyone wants to go on like that with the current delievery chain being so behind. Really curious if that will actually change and those supply chains will become smaller again.

The ratio of deaths in germany will probably end up somewhere in the 0,5 - 1% range that happended in South Korea. Maybe even higher considering the older society of germany. The bulk of infections happenend in the last 10 days, so those deaths will happen in the next couple of weeks.

I think what the article you posted misses/doesn't spell out explicitly is that many neighbouring countries just have a big to gigantic dark figure. These countries have much higher death numbers than germany, because they already had tens of thousands (maybe even six figures in italy and spain) undetected cases a week or longer ago. Collapse of health system in parts of Italy and Spain adds up.
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« Reply #3924 on: March 24, 2020, 11:11:52 AM »
France to use a converted to medical uses high speed train to move 30 patients out of Strasbourg and Mulhouse...

India in 21 days lockdown.

Probably not good numbers out of NYC.
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« Reply #3925 on: March 24, 2020, 11:18:58 AM »


 :lol

What's happening here, is it an ironic play of the anthem ?

No, it's not ironic.  That's why it's so  ::)

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« Reply #3926 on: March 24, 2020, 11:20:22 AM »
Hard to be too cynical with this, to be honest.
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« Reply #3927 on: March 24, 2020, 11:27:27 AM »
https://twitter.com/HeidiNBC/status/1242238268277755905

Edit:. Apparently they took aquarium cleaner which had chloroquine as an active component

This is some Darwin-level shit if true.  :lol

I mean, it was a very unwise decision by two elderly people that could have been avoided if Trump didn't run his mouth about a drug that he insinuates is immediately effective.  Now that poor woman doesn't have a husband.  Obviously swallowing aquarium cleaner is dumb as hell, but I imagine if there was a more measured explanation being endorsed by the President ("Listen to your doctor.  We are doing trials to see the effectiveness of this drug - we're not there yet.  When we are, you will receive the appropriate therapy.") instead of constantly tweeting about how it's a miracle drug that isn't being considered by our deep-state CDC, maybe this could have been avoided.  People are receiving mixed messages from the federal government - they're confused and scared and people with no expertise are taking matters into their own hands because they have no faith in the messaging.  You have to take some responsibility for the most uncharitable interpretation of your words when you talk flippantly like this.



Nigeria Reports Chloroquine Overdoses After Trump—Without Evidence—Touted Drug as Possible Coronavirus Treatment
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« Reply #3928 on: March 24, 2020, 11:31:13 AM »
What if Trump told people to take chloroquine because it’ll kill them and free up hospital beds



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« Reply #3929 on: March 24, 2020, 11:33:05 AM »
Hard to be too cynical with this, to be honest.

Yeah, fair enough.

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« Reply #3930 on: March 24, 2020, 11:57:33 AM »
Didn’t bail, but I did very calmly lay out all my concerns in a morning meeting. Basically everyone here is like “we agree” but my manager can’t do shit unless his (working from home safely somewhere back East) boss says so. Very profit over people over here but I’m standing up and fighting calmly 🤷‍♀️

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« Reply #3931 on: March 24, 2020, 12:01:55 PM »
Moscow's mayor on record saying their numbers are only a partial view into the extent of the issue over there.
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« Reply #3933 on: March 24, 2020, 12:33:18 PM »
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« Reply #3934 on: March 24, 2020, 01:32:53 PM »
goddamn america is omega fucked

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« Reply #3935 on: March 24, 2020, 01:36:59 PM »
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« Reply #3936 on: March 24, 2020, 01:40:09 PM »
My mom just called me after trying to go to the grocery market during senior early hours. She said there was million people standing right next to each other, insane lines and barely anything was in stock.  :-\


I wonder when/if groceries will ever be safe again. I mean even when the "lockdown" ends and new infections are low, I feel like people are still going to be panicking that there's nothing left at the supermarket and be buying groceries and supplies in mass. I mean online toilet paper is sold out for 2 months. Being able to buy food items needed is absolutely something I've taken for granted my whole life. I would like this to return at some point.

I also feel at this point it's a supply issue. People were saying distribution hasn't been effected and stock is normal everywhere and it's just people hoarding, but so many things are out of stock nationwide, it really seems like there is a supply issue on a lot of food items and household items.

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« Reply #3937 on: March 24, 2020, 01:41:44 PM »
Numbers are going up again in Italy. More deaths than yesterday but some more recoveries and the percentage of growth is slower.
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« Reply #3938 on: March 24, 2020, 01:59:59 PM »
goddamn america is omega fucked

And they are going to take us innocent Canadians with them.  Thanks, America.
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« Reply #3939 on: March 24, 2020, 02:00:55 PM »
https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1242185334353547270

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More infos & exemptions at gov.uk/coronavirus
Stay at home.
Protect the NHS.
Save lives.

I guess t least it's succinct.

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« Reply #3940 on: March 24, 2020, 02:04:52 PM »
French scientific council opinion : Lockdown to last until end of April (6 weeks), national wide test campaign not possible at the moment, lockdown only mode of action to fight the infection.

It's advisory but 45 days was the rumoured initial lockdown duration.

I'm disappointed about the testing situation. But probably the only way to get out of this is to test people to make sure they have / had it to clear them.
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« Reply #3941 on: March 24, 2020, 02:18:50 PM »
I actually like the theory that a lot of people have already had this, if only because I had a flu-ish respiratory thing back in January.  :lol

I really think there is a need for the antibody test if you really want to put people's minds at ease. aside from, you know, actually testing.

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« Reply #3942 on: March 24, 2020, 02:23:08 PM »
I actually like the theory that a lot of people have already had this, if only because I had a flu-ish respiratory thing back in January.  :lol

I really think there is a need for the antibody test if you really want to put people's minds at ease. aside from, you know, actually testing.

My parents flew to Cambodia for most of Dec. 2019, had a layover in Shanghai going to and back, and he couldn't shake a bad cold, the fever shakes, etc., and only until recently started getting better. Doctors claimed there was nothing wrong with him (that he just needed to rest). I wonder...

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« Reply #3943 on: March 24, 2020, 02:23:49 PM »
I actually like the theory that a lot of people have already had this, if only because I had a flu-ish respiratory thing back in January.  :lol

I really think there is a need for the antibody test if you really want to put people's minds at ease. aside from, you know, actually testing.
I remember I had a strange burning throat and a fever earlier this year as well and a flu that stuck around despite getting a flu shot.
I've heard similar things from my co-workers and friends around that time.

So yeah, antibody testing would probably show a whole bunch of people already had the virus and didn't die.
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« Reply #3944 on: March 24, 2020, 02:27:13 PM »
My mom just called me after trying to go to the grocery market during senior early hours. She said there was million people standing right next to each other, insane lines and barely anything was in stock.  :-\


I wonder when/if groceries will ever be safe again. I mean even when the "lockdown" ends and new infections are low, I feel like people are still going to be panicking that there's nothing left at the supermarket and be buying groceries and supplies in mass. I mean online toilet paper is sold out for 2 months. Being able to buy food items needed is absolutely something I've taken for granted my whole life. I would like this to return at some point.

I also feel at this point it's a supply issue. People were saying distribution hasn't been effected and stock is normal everywhere and it's just people hoarding, but so many things are out of stock nationwide, it really seems like there is a supply issue on a lot of food items and household items.

Im thinking the same.

How is stuff still out of stock. It's not like a significant portion of the population wasn't eating before. And hoarders have only so much freezer space
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« Reply #3945 on: March 24, 2020, 02:31:23 PM »
I feel like we should be doing temperature checks at all markets. It's the best chokepoint to catch people when they are in the early stages of showing symptoms (and also the most virulent).


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« Reply #3946 on: March 24, 2020, 02:31:53 PM »
My sore throat is completely gone and my chest feels fine.

But two (2) cold sores showed up over night.

Fml
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« Reply #3947 on: March 24, 2020, 02:37:45 PM »
And they are going to take us innocent Canadians with them.  Thanks, America.
:comeon "innocent" :gurl

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« Reply #3948 on: March 24, 2020, 02:39:14 PM »
My sore throat is completely gone and my chest feels fine.

But two (2) cold sores showed up over night.

Fml

Probably means your immune system is weakened.
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« Reply #3949 on: March 24, 2020, 02:41:46 PM »
And they are going to take us innocent Canadians with them.  Thanks, America.
:comeon "innocent" :gurl

Innocence is a relative term! 
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« Reply #3950 on: March 24, 2020, 02:44:32 PM »
But two (2) cold sores showed up over night.

Fml

Stop whoring around.

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« Reply #3951 on: March 24, 2020, 02:54:40 PM »
these trends are not good.



 :corona_rodney

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« Reply #3952 on: March 24, 2020, 02:54:44 PM »
I actually like the theory that a lot of people have already had this, if only because I had a flu-ish respiratory thing back in January.  :lol

I really think there is a need for the antibody test if you really want to put people's minds at ease. aside from, you know, actually testing.

It's reassuring in a way hence the appeal. Fatality is shaping up to fall well under the WHO number which is nice, I also hope those treatments are effective.

Cure worse than disease however I do worry for the USA. If the treatment is atleast somewhat effective and people decide to go the Trump path. We could in real time see a tragic sharp curve unfold. The limits of supply and personnel will possibly make a case where the fatality rate in the States is quintuple the surrounding area due to a possible treatment and therefore healthcare collapse as a result of no curve flattening.
A "cure" could be the worst thing ironically. People would forego any social distancing and so the healthcare system would be burdened by so many people at once they can't possibly treat them all.  :-\

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« Reply #3953 on: March 24, 2020, 02:57:30 PM »
Poor Americans  :(


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« Reply #3954 on: March 24, 2020, 02:59:21 PM »
My sore throat is completely gone and my chest feels fine.

But two (2) cold sores showed up over night.

Fml

Probably means your immune system is weakened.
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I know what they are.

I think it's all the fruit smoothies I've been drinking to harden up the immune system.

Oddly enough I've barely had to poop
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« Reply #3955 on: March 24, 2020, 03:02:41 PM »
Well, deaths had a steep increase in France. It's starting. :goty
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« Reply #3956 on: March 24, 2020, 03:07:17 PM »
Based on how virulent this is, I really think it's unlikely people had this back in November/December/January here because our hospitals didn't get overrun. we would have been in an Italy situation months ago
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« Reply #3957 on: March 24, 2020, 03:10:59 PM »
Based on how virulent this is, I really think it's unlikely people had this back in November/December/January here because our hospitals didn't get overrun. we would have been in an Italy situation months ago

it's the asymptotic numbers and asymptotic infection that is fucking with things, will be a complete mystery for some time
november/december seems impossible since then it would predate/coincide with the chinese outbreak, I do think it has been spreading out of china for a while though and possibly as early as late january, like following the seattle nursing home timeline

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« Reply #3958 on: March 24, 2020, 03:23:26 PM »
And they are going to take us innocent Canadians with them.  Thanks, America.
:comeon "innocent" :gurl

Innocence is a relative term!
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« Reply #3959 on: March 24, 2020, 03:35:12 PM »
French Health Ministry basically said that the fatality stats were only partial, it's mostly deaths in hospitals and they think there's more suspicious deaths in retirement homes that they will try to track from now on.
:goty

They also want to increase daily test capacity from 9000 (today) to 29000 next week.
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