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« Reply #4140 on: March 25, 2020, 05:21:07 PM »
If anyone wants to voluntarily corona themselves before the checks go out, that could save us a lot of money.
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« Reply #4142 on: March 25, 2020, 05:59:42 PM »


"This what I ask people, 'If your pimp is holding your head underwater, how long do you think you could hold your breath'"

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« Reply #4143 on: March 25, 2020, 05:59:49 PM »
I'm not leaving my house anymore.

Except for groceries but I have the same routine for that every time I need to go out shopping:

- Wake up
- Wash hands
- Put on clothes
- Walk into the store, take what I need, only touch the items I actually intend to buy.
- Avoid all human contact within 3 feet during, before and after the visit
- Go home
- Put down the groceries
- Disinfect stuff I don't trust
- Wash hands
- Put clothes in washing machine
- Take a shower
- Put on clean clothes

I'm thinking about buying air filters so once the C-Virus goes airborne I can prevent it from infecting me.
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« Reply #4144 on: March 25, 2020, 06:12:31 PM »
I got a cold two days ago and panicked my family. It seems that it was a normal cold given that I feel a lot better right now.

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« Reply #4145 on: March 25, 2020, 06:14:47 PM »
- Disinfect stuff I don't trust
Is this that famous Dutch Directness for "acts of genocide"?

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« Reply #4146 on: March 25, 2020, 06:19:20 PM »
I have two liters of isopropyl that I bought by accident a couple of years ago. I‘ll sell it to you Nintex, so you can douse yourself with it just to be safe.

Given the current developments I‘ll sell it to you for 49% equity of your company. :success

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« Reply #4147 on: March 25, 2020, 06:24:33 PM »
Lmao at how quickly nintex went from "LOLZ THIS SHIT AIN'T SHIT" to bubble boy

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« Reply #4148 on: March 25, 2020, 06:27:52 PM »


"This what I ask people, 'If your pimp is holding your head underwater, how long do you think you could hold your breath'"

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« Reply #4149 on: March 25, 2020, 06:29:31 PM »
He ends with 'The death toll is going to peak in early July.  What's going to happen when you have been out of work for three months and can't pay for your mom's funeral?'  Jesus.
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« Reply #4150 on: March 25, 2020, 06:31:05 PM »
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« Reply #4151 on: March 25, 2020, 06:36:02 PM »
Lmao at how quickly nintex went from "LOLZ THIS SHIT AIN'T SHIT" to bubble boy
I think it was me who told you guys that china was burning people in the night with their mobile incinerators who had been welded shut into their homes.

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« Reply #4153 on: March 25, 2020, 06:55:33 PM »
Is this one of those contradictions of capitalism I keep hearing about
I guess most suffering being offshored, outta sight outta mind, has left people entirely caught off guard

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« Reply #4154 on: March 25, 2020, 07:03:02 PM »
 Gilead asks to rescind special status for potential coronavirus drug
Drugmaker had come under fire for ‘orphan’ ranking that conferred pricing and tax benefits

https://www.ft.com/content/107706c0-6ec0-11ea-89df-41bea055720b

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« Reply #4155 on: March 25, 2020, 07:08:33 PM »
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Laboratory Confirmed Cases -- 799* Total Cases
Los Angeles County (excl. LB and Pas) -- 764
Long Beach -- 28
Pasadena -- 7
Deaths 13**
Los Angeles County (excl. LB and Pas) 12
Long Beach 1
Pasadena 0
Age Group (Los Angeles County Cases Only-excl LB and Pas)
0 to 17 -- 10
18 to 40 --310
41 to 65 --303
over 65 --141
Hospitalization
Hospitalized (Ever) 160
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« Reply #4157 on: March 25, 2020, 07:20:26 PM »
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« Reply #4158 on: March 25, 2020, 07:21:06 PM »
Is this one of those contradictions of capitalism I keep hearing about
I guess most suffering being offshored, outta sight outta mind, has left people entirely caught off guard
The western world is not used to this.

Terrorist attacks are one off events that kill a few hundred at best.
Most diseases that kill people like flu, cancer and Alzheimers are well known.
Car crashes and other stuff that kills are 'accidents'.

Now we have a deadly virus roaming about that the scientists say can't be cured and can't be prevented while up to the end of January the WHO said that it wasn't very contagious.
We just have to be lucky and hope that the lowest projections are what's going to happen.

Governments the world over were caught by surprise by this thing and think they can hit pause for a few weeks and then return to normal.
I think that given how this has spread worldwide it's going to be one of those things that stays around for generations to come and eventually some sort of cure will be found.
The virus will probably lead to people not growing as old anymore as a 'new normal' for the next decade and Corona will be thing people test for like HIV.
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« Reply #4159 on: March 25, 2020, 07:23:57 PM »
I mentioned it a couple of times but French authorities are now clarifying that fatalities reported daily are the people that died in hospitals (or followed medically). They acknowledged that there were deaths in retirement homes that they can't confirm and tally as fast but said they would report on them ASAP. From the stories I've seen so far, maybe 40 deaths certain over just 3 institutions... Impossible to tell how bad it is at the moment but there's possibly dozens, maybe hundreds, more deaths caused by COVID19 that are unaccounted at the moment.

I don't how the other countries are doing their totals but I would imagine most are following the same guidelines.

The final bodycount will probably have to be adjusted a lot higher when all will be said & done.
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« Reply #4160 on: March 25, 2020, 07:30:52 PM »
I mentioned it a couple of times but French authorities are now clarifying that fatalities reported daily are the people that died in hospitals (or followed medically). They acknowledged that there were deaths in retirement homes that they can't confirm and tally as fast but said they would report on them ASAP. From the stories I've seen so far, maybe 40 deaths certain over just 3 institutions... Impossible to tell how bad it is at the moment but there's possibly dozens, maybe hundreds, more deaths caused by COVID19 that are unaccounted at the moment.

I don't how the other countries are doing their totals but I would imagine most are following the same guidelines.

The final bodycount will probably have to be adjusted a lot higher when all will be said & done.
Same here in the Netherlands.

Some people don't make it to the hospital so those are not counted. Some have other conditions so it isn't chalked up to COVID-19.
There's also a delay between a patient dying and the report reaching the disease control bean counters especially as hospitals have different priorities now.

Plus they don't test people who quarantine at home by themselves with 'mild' symptoms because those tests are needed for more severe cases.
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« Reply #4161 on: March 25, 2020, 07:35:36 PM »
https://twitter.com/yungchomsky/status/1242904421547126785

Idk, as someone who works with property owners & tenants for a living and family who own commercial property, all the haha, look at landlords getting fucked because their tenants are paying rent in mass, stuff is kinda of /sideyes. Lots of shitty landlords out there, but also lots of shitty tenants.

Just seems more like you have "more people are tenants than landlords" so the majority are making fun of the minority's situation.


Basically right now:

Individual renter/business owner - No customers, no job, no income, getting fucked, so pass it on and not pay rent.
Property owners - No rent, getting fucked, still have to pay mortgage (which is essentially their rent) to the banks. May have no income sources other than this (most retired property owners just live on their monthly income from the property)No idea if they'll be able to collect backrent afterwards.
Banks - Lol, we rich bitch. Who cares if property owners don't pay us. We'll get bailed out and then come foreclose and take their property! And government gonna give us massive tax cuts and shit. Woohoo, let's party.


Like my parents own a commercial property which is a lot of the income they live on outside the portion of our business they take. They have to pay $20,000/month to the banks in mortgage/utilities. Their tenants are big corporation multi-million dollar chains like music stores and furniture store chains. Once this started last week, they got a letter from every tenant business "hey, because of the situation we're not paying any rent until this is all over and then we'll pay the back rent spread out of 12 months after at no interest. K THNX". Not one tenant is going to pay any rent for the forseeable future and these business definitely have money, more money than my parents but they're using this situation as a reason to save money skipping rent. So my parents are just going to use all their savings to keep paying $20,000 / month to keep from losing the property and at some point either things will open and the economy will start back up or they'll run out of money and the bank will come and take the property.

It's a pretty shitty situation for property owners right now. I don't want to compare it to renters because it's shitty for them too. The only person that it's not shitty for is the big money corps & banks. They get to skip their rents, get bailouts and get all kinds of tax cuts.

The USA is a country that is actively trying to phase out the middle class until there's only the Corps/Banks and the poor. Whether it's GOP and Democrat, all the bills the help only aim at keeping poor people from revolting and bringing out the guillotines and helping the big money corps & banks. Everyone in the middle gets pretty much no help. 2 Trillion dollar stimulus and phase out at $99k for checks, max of $10,000 in help to small businesses (which everything I've seen says given the amount of money and businesses in american means like $5 /business). I still vote straight line Dem and will for left because of the social principles, but as a small business owner it definitely annoys me that there is no party that's trying to help the middle class (which you also can't put a monetary amount on since $300k buys you a goddamn mansion house in some states and a 500 sq ft apartment in others. That $1,200 stimulus check will mean a lot more to people in some states than others).

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« Reply #4162 on: March 25, 2020, 07:44:29 PM »
https://twitter.com/yungchomsky/status/1242904421547126785

Idk, as someone who works with property owners & tenants for a living and family who own commercial property, all the haha, look at landlords getting fucked because their tenants are paying rent in mass, stuff is kinda of /sideyes. Lots of shitty landlords out there, but also lots of shitty tenants.

Just seems more like you have "more people are tenants than landlords" so the majority are making fun of the minority's situation.


Basically right now:

Individual renter/business owner - No customers, no job, no income, getting fucked, so pass it on and not pay rent.
Property owners - No rent, getting fucked, still have to pay mortgage (which is essentially their rent) to the banks. May have no income sources other than this (most retired property owners just live on their monthly income from the property)No idea if they'll be able to collect backrent afterwards.
Banks - Lol, we rich bitch. Who cares if property owners don't pay us. We'll get bailed out and then come foreclose and take their property! And government gonna give us massive tax cuts and shit. Woohoo, let's party.


Like my parents own a commercial property which is a lot of the income they live on outside the portion of our business they take. They have to pay $20,000/month to the banks in mortgage/utilities. Their tenants are big corporation multi-million dollar chains like music stores and furniture store chains. Once this started last week, they got a letter from every tenant business "hey, because of the situation we're not paying any rent until this is all over and then we'll pay the back rent spread out of 12 months after at no interest. K THNX". Not one tenant is going to pay any rent for the forseeable future and these business definitely have money, more money than my parents but they're using this situation as a reason to save money skipping rent. So my parents are just going to use all their savings to keep paying $20,000 / month to keep from losing the property and at some point either things will open and the economy will start back up or they'll run out of money and the bank will come and take the property.

It's a pretty shitty situation for property owners right now. I don't want to compare it to renters because it's shitty for them too. The only person that it's not shitty for is the big money corps & banks. They get to skip their rents, get bailouts and get all kinds of tax cuts.

The USA is a country that is actively trying to phase out the middle class until there's only the Corps/Banks and the poor. Whether it's GOP and Democrat, all the bills the help only aim at keeping poor people from revolting and bringing out the guillotines and helping the big money corps & banks. Everyone in the middle gets pretty much no help. 2 Trillion dollar stimulus and phase out at $99k for checks, max of $10,000 in help to small businesses (which everything I've seen says given the amount of money and businesses in american means like $5 /business). I still vote straight line Dem and will for left because of the social principles, but as a small business owner it definitely annoys me that there is no party that's trying to help the middle class (which you also can't put a monetary amount on since $300k buys you a goddamn mansion house in some states and a 500 sq ft apartment in others. That $1,200 stimulus check will mean a lot more to people in some states than others).

/rant over

I always have a different view of it than the rest here mainly because of clearly sharp differences.

Around here it is a lot more one-to-one personal. Lots of people save up, buy a house with mortgage usually new immigrants, than rent out the basement to newer immigrants in order to better their finances. Eventually the newer immigrant moves out and possibly continues the cycle. Also helps that ethnic favourtism is present. If you're the right ethnicity, owners will prefer to rent out to you which in turn lets you get cheaper rents, chunk below market averages.
Renting out the basement has a more personal touch to it, making landlording not as big a deal to me. I imagine if I lived elsewhere where the owner wasn't so close to you and in class, I'd have a vastly different outlook.

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« Reply #4163 on: March 25, 2020, 07:50:55 PM »
Sorry about your parents, and I feel like the situation is *slightly* different when your tenants are business and not individuals.   

Housing as an investment is morally wrong.  I have aunts and uncles that own two rental properties (which are now rented by their kids if I recall).  My grandma use to rent her old condo (now my cousin in renting it).  My mom's retirement fund is substantially based on the four-person house she lives alone in.  My family is good people, but that doesn't make any of this OK.  In general, landlords raise property prices and contribute almost nothing in value.  Just because they had the opportunity to invest in housing does not mean it's acceptable to profit off of other people's shelter.     

Watching the Toronto housing bubble pop is pretty scary because the tenants not paying will only drive out the middle-class landlords who use it as a way of supplementing other income (which is still wrong but a lot better than it is their full-time job).  Then the people who should be homeowners are those that will be losing their jobs and low-income workers who won't be able to afford the new properties, so they will be gobbled up by the rich and the housing situation 5 or 10 years from now is just going to be worse.  It's nice that AirB&B exploded but the rest is going to be shit.   

edit: saw a toku like before I edited and then it went away.  So this is how it feels to be unblessed.  I bet this is how Castro felt. 
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« Reply #4164 on: March 25, 2020, 08:39:16 PM »
Since I am tackling tasks right now I would usualls postpone indefinetely:

Cleaned the oven today. "self cleaning" is a big marketing lie by Big Appliance. I had to scrub this thing for hours.  :maf

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« Reply #4167 on: March 25, 2020, 10:01:45 PM »
I'm starting to think the virus isn't actually real and the whole thing is an experiment by government to see how much we will take.

No seriously, has anyone actually seen the virus? Anyone? Is Wuhan even a real city?
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« Reply #4168 on: March 25, 2020, 10:02:04 PM »
Sorry about your parents, and I feel like the situation is *slightly* different when your tenants are business and not individuals.   

Housing as an investment is morally wrong.  I have aunts and uncles that own two rental properties (which are now rented by their kids if I recall).  My grandma use to rent her old condo (now my cousin in renting it).  My mom's retirement fund is substantially based on the four-person house she lives alone in.  My family is good people, but that doesn't make any of this OK.  In general, landlords raise property prices and contribute almost nothing in value.  Just because they had the opportunity to invest in housing does not mean it's acceptable to profit off of other people's shelter.     

Watching the Toronto housing bubble pop is pretty scary because the tenants not paying will only drive out the middle-class landlords who use it as a way of supplementing other income (which is still wrong but a lot better than it is their full-time job).  Then the people who should be homeowners are those that will be losing their jobs and low-income workers who won't be able to afford the new properties, so they will be gobbled up by the rich and the housing situation 5 or 10 years from now is just going to be worse.  It's nice that AirB&B exploded but the rest is going to be shit.   

edit: saw a toku like before I edited and then it went away.  So this is how it feels to be unblessed.  I bet this is how Castro felt.

Yeah, I agree residential is a little different because people need a roof over their head and it puts you in a morals situation. I'd never rent residential. AirBnB landlords are super scummy and have fucked up the rent market too.
It mainly just bs when it's like big chain commercial tenants. Like I have less empathy for Best Buy (not the tenant at my parent's center, but similar) than a family of 4.

Also the bs thing is that a family of 4 will usually talk to their landlord and work out some partial rent thing for now whereas a business like Best Buy will just say, nope, not paying you any rent and you'll like it.

What should be done to be fair right now is freeze rents, freeze mortgages, freeze property taxes, freeze utilities. Bail out the utilities companies if necessary and unfortunately the banks because you got to have banks.

And what you said about Toronto is right. These kind of squeezes out the middle class property owners because the 1% rich folks can afford to sit through this (plus the gov sucks their dicks here in the USA). If China hadn't implemented those laws to keep money inside the country, right now Chinese buyers would come and buy up everything at cheap prices during this.

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« Reply #4169 on: March 25, 2020, 10:39:46 PM »
https://twitter.com/Yascha_Mounk/status/1242657146392784896
Is anyone else's first thought when they read unsubstantiated stories like this, "show me the fucking receipts"?

Or has years of putting up with idiots making up fake stories looking for internet cred just made me cynical?
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« Reply #4170 on: March 25, 2020, 10:50:01 PM »
https://twitter.com/Yascha_Mounk/status/1242657146392784896
Is anyone else's first thought when they read unsubstantiated stories like this, "show me the fucking receipts"?

Or has years of putting up with idiots making up fake stories looking for internet cred just made me cynical?

I agree it's all fake
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« Reply #4171 on: March 25, 2020, 11:17:44 PM »
https://twitter.com/Yascha_Mounk/status/1242657146392784896
Is anyone else's first thought when they read unsubstantiated stories like this, "show me the fucking receipts"?

Or has years of putting up with idiots making up fake stories looking for internet cred just made me cynical?

I agree it's all fake

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ISLAMABAD: Rehman Shukr, the 26-year-old son of Major General Abeera Choudry and Brig (R) Irfan Shukr, died of COVID-19 in Washington DC, on Tuesday.

Rehman Shukr, a young talented Pakistan was serving as Financial System Specialist in the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

According to the information shared on the social media, Rehman contracted COVID-19 and was hospitalized in Washington DC where he breathed his last.

Major General Abeera Choudry of the Army Medical Corps (AMC) and senior gynecologist was among 36 Brigadiers who were promoted to major general earlier this month.

Brig (R) Irfan Shukr also served the AMC. Currently, he heads the Department of Medical Education at the Foundation University, Islamabad.

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Rehman Shukr, son of Major General Abeera Choudhry and retired Brig Irfan Shukr, contracted Covid-19 earlier this month and was hospitalised in Washington where he died on Tuesday, according to social media reports.

The 26-year-old was a financial system specialist at the International Monetary Fund. His mother is a gynaecologist in the Army Medical Corps (AMC) and his father works at a private medical university in Islamabad.

“Hard to decide whether the human aspect of the disease is more important than its implications on the economy,” Rehman posted these sentences from a New York Times article on his Facebook newsfeed on March 21. “Very easy to let emotion guide policy, and we’ve seen time after time why that’s a bad idea.”
https://www.dawn.com/news/1543816/three-pakistanis-in-us-among-covid-19-fatalities

Never heard of these sites before though. So take it with a grain of salt, I guess.

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« Reply #4173 on: March 25, 2020, 11:21:17 PM »
Hate to sound morbid here, but this scenario will become quite common: If the prognosis for someone does not look good, and there is no available medical equipment for you, do they go through a euthanization process?  Or simply let the individual succumb to the harsh symptoms (pleural effusion) before death?

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« Reply #4174 on: March 25, 2020, 11:22:26 PM »
Hate to sound morbid here, but this scenario will become quite common: If the prognosis for someone does not look good, and there is no available medical equipment for you, do they go through a euthanization process?  Or simply let the individual succumb to the harsh symptoms (pleural effusion) before death?

We'll have to wait and see what Obama's Death Panels decide.
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« Reply #4175 on: March 25, 2020, 11:26:54 PM »
Hate to sound morbid here, but this scenario will become quite common: If the prognosis for someone does not look good, and there is no available medical equipment for you, do they go through a euthanization process?  Or simply let the individual succumb to the harsh symptoms (pleural effusion) before death?

We'll have to wait and see what Obama's Death Panels decide.

Thank you for reminding me of how quaint life and politics used to be before The Great Plague.

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« Reply #4176 on: March 25, 2020, 11:28:52 PM »
Hate to sound morbid here, but this scenario will become quite common: If the prognosis for someone does not look good, and there is no available medical equipment for you, do they go through a euthanization process?  Or simply let the individual succumb to the harsh symptoms (pleural effusion) before death?

From reading stuff online, the ventilation process is pretty terrible and it might be better to let seniors subside.
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« Reply #4177 on: March 25, 2020, 11:30:12 PM »
Hate to sound morbid here, but this scenario will become quite common: If the prognosis for someone does not look good, and there is no available medical equipment for you, do they go through a euthanization process?  Or simply let the individual succumb to the harsh symptoms (pleural effusion) before death?

We'll have to wait and see what Obama's Death Panels decide.

Thank you for reminding me of how quaint life and politics used to be before The Great Plague.

I legit busted a laught. I think I'm good until 5pm update.

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« Reply #4178 on: March 25, 2020, 11:31:04 PM »
Sorry, but your plan does not pay for euthanasia services. However, if you slip the janitor a few benjamins he might be able to have some guys toss you off the roof.

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« Reply #4179 on: March 25, 2020, 11:32:27 PM »
apparently people get like PTSD from process. johnny got his gun type shit.



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« Reply #4182 on: March 25, 2020, 11:58:36 PM »
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« Reply #4183 on: March 26, 2020, 12:04:53 AM »
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-will-coronavirus-end/608719/

Girlfriend sent me this article a little earlier, it's a great read.

It's incredibly depressing but also something I think more people need to read. There have been plenty of voices saying that this isn't going to be a 2 week thing, that even if we flatten the curve that doesn't mean it is over etc etc and so much of that has been ignored. Life as we know it has fundamentally changed.
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« Reply #4184 on: March 26, 2020, 12:09:10 AM »
USA beat out italian infections number today by roughly 8k, suggesting they will overtake italy in cases by tomorrow's end

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« Reply #4185 on: March 26, 2020, 12:12:44 AM »
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-will-coronavirus-end/608719/

Girlfriend sent me this article a little earlier, it's a great read.

It's incredibly depressing but also something I think more people need to read. There have been plenty of voices saying that this isn't going to be a 2 week thing, that even if we flatten the curve that doesn't mean it is over etc etc and so much of that has been ignored. Life as we know it has fundamentally changed.

People don't understand a very low fatality rate is only achievable so long as healthcare is working. If the system collapses the rate will shoot up.
My main worry for the USA. Treated + good number of asymptotics and maybe mortality is as low as 0.5% and maybe some drugs will work. But if people abandon locking down, the fatality will shoot up as treatment rates fall drastically. 

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« Reply #4186 on: March 26, 2020, 12:17:31 AM »
Sad thing about America is if we actually stop the virus from being an absolute disaster the right will that’s evidence it was never that big of a deal, much like they do with any environmental measures that when put in place actually solve problems.

Fortunately enough for you! That seems really unlikely!

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« Reply #4187 on: March 26, 2020, 12:24:28 AM »
I'm hesitant to talk the asymptotic angle because of this mentality

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1243019952988344322

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« Reply #4188 on: March 26, 2020, 12:26:38 AM »
That's maybe the fourth time I've heard this talking point. In South Korea they are testing nearly everyone and their mortality rate is 1%. It's 1%.
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« Reply #4189 on: March 26, 2020, 12:28:15 AM »
That's maybe the fourth time I've heard this talking point. In South Korea they are testing nearly everyone and their mortality rate is 1%. It's 1%.

It's also a point of hope. So don't expect the line to end anytime soon.

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« Reply #4190 on: March 26, 2020, 12:29:48 AM »
People with health issues are people too :fbm
I don't want people with diabetes/cancer/whatever to die. Why are people so eugenicist suddenly.

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« Reply #4191 on: March 26, 2020, 12:53:40 AM »
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-will-coronavirus-end/608719/

Girlfriend sent me this article a little earlier, it's a great read.

It's incredibly depressing but also something I think more people need to read. There have been plenty of voices saying that this isn't going to be a 2 week thing, that even if we flatten the curve that doesn't mean it is over etc etc and so much of that has been ignored. Life as we know it has fundamentally changed.

People don't understand a very low fatality rate is only achievable so long as healthcare is working. If the system collapses the rate will shoot up.
My main worry for the USA. Treated + good number of asymptotics and maybe mortality is as low as 0.5% and maybe some drugs will work. But if people abandon locking down, the fatality will shoot up as treatment rates fall drastically.

The part in the article about the low end number of people who will need to be on ventilators being about 9x the amount of ventilators that even exist in this country (ignoring the staffing needs as well) was one of those "we are so fucked" moments for me. Our whole system is barely held together and all of the existing redundancies are impacted by this as well.
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« Reply #4192 on: March 26, 2020, 12:55:51 AM »

The part in the article about the low end number of people who will need to be on ventilators being about 9x the amount of ventilators that even exist in this country (ignoring the staffing needs as well) was one of those "we are so fucked" moments for me. Our whole system is barely held together and all of the existing redundancies are impacted by this as well.

Yeah, ventilator count is the most obvious factor. Flatten curve drastically, ventilators don't run out = fatality rate drops. System collapse, not enough ventilators mean saveable people die = fatality rate spike.

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« Reply #4193 on: March 26, 2020, 01:34:34 AM »
Like it’s good that it’s mostly killing sick people but can you at least pretend you think it’s sad you sociopath?  Jesus lol
Also people are using the "pre-existing medical condition" as if to mean you gotta have a foot in the grave to risk getting put into an ICU.
In modern western society, people who are obese, or smoke/vape, or have high blood pressure, or other factors that would put you at risk, aren't exactly unicorns.

Furthermore: You may not be at high risk of dying, but having to go to the hospital (let alone in the ICU, let alone getting intubated) isn't a great experience.  ::)
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« Reply #4195 on: March 26, 2020, 03:16:22 AM »
Like it’s good that it’s mostly killing sick people but can you at least pretend you think it’s sad you sociopath?  Jesus lol
Also people are using the "pre-existing medical condition" as if to mean you gotta have a foot in the grave to risk getting put into an ICU.
In modern western society, people who are obese, or smoke/vape, or have high blood pressure, or other factors that would put you at risk, aren't exactly unicorns.

Furthermore: You may not be at high risk of dying, but having to go to the hospital (let alone in the ICU, let alone getting intubated) isn't a great experience.  ::)

There's a weird push and pull of "it only kills vulnerable people" and "look at that young person who died too !" in the media right now. As you said "comorbidities" sounds really impressive but it's not exactly that uncommon to have a weak heart, lungs, diabetes, etc... And for some people showing symptoms, without ever escalating to hospitalization, it can be a dog of two weeks.

Widespread testing would help put the proper perspective on this, I think, on top of being essential to going forward.
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« Reply #4196 on: March 26, 2020, 03:30:52 AM »
Tokyo is going into lockdown, apparently.
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« Reply #4197 on: March 26, 2020, 03:32:43 AM »
lil trouble in big tokyo :(
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« Reply #4198 on: March 26, 2020, 03:39:28 AM »
Tokyo is going into lockdown, apparently.
Seems like they finally caved, with the Olympics being delayed (to next year?).
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« Reply #4199 on: March 26, 2020, 03:47:23 AM »
Tokyo is going into lockdown, apparently.
Seems like they finally caved, with the Olympics being delayed (to next year?).

People see coverups everywhere but without even going into that, a flattened curve is not eradication of the problem... I don't think most
current general lockdowns will go longer than 6-8 weeks but there will be some exceptional measures (testing, widespread availability of masks for the general public, local quarantines) for all of 2020.
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