the seeds of violent revolution in America

[shosta]

I'm agreeing with you

[curly]

Imagine not believing that a long-term goal of practically all states is to prevent social unrest 

[BisMarckie]

Political institutions and capital being interwoven to suppress the people has been a thing for at least 200 years, longer than that if you count pre-industrialized societies. That's not a coincidence

[BisMarckie]

I work for the state which makes me an expert on this issue.

[Stro]

I feel like "how to we get food/utilities now" usually are questions that get asked after the violence goes down

[shosta]

Oh I know;  I just don't buy the theory this was all on purpose.

More a side effect of society becoming so complicated than some ultimate plan by "the state."

It's not a coherent plan, it's the impulse of sovereignty to move monotonically in the direction of extending itself over the reproduction of all life. One of the more things I've ever learned was that the adoption of surnames was for the purposes of taxation

[BisMarckie]

things I've ever learned was that the adoption of surnames was for the purposes of taxation

Don't read benji's anti-state propaganda.

That is false or at least a highly controversial opinion. Roman nomina were used for dynastic or inheritance purposes.

[shosta]

And what percentage of the population had adopted surnames for that purpose before the administrative state?

[Stro]

I feel like "how to we get food/utilities now" usually are questions that get asked after the violence goes down

austin federal employee guy waving a 5 head banner running around screaming "dual power!!!"

I think that was in reference to the Dual Shock 5

[BisMarckie]

And what percentage of the population had adopted surnames for that purpose before the administrative state?

Since most people speak of administrative states at the end of the 18th to the beginning of the 19th century, surname adoption was already pretty high.
Taxation may have played a part in it, but the claim that the adoption of surnames was for the sole purpose of taxation is just wrong.


 Link me the stuff you read it in so I can write a scathing review.

[shosta]

I can't find it, so I can continue going on believing anarchist propaganda as if it were true and never have my beliefs challenged

[shosta]

I found it... came from James Scott's Seeing Like a State

[BisMarckie]

I found it... came from James Scott's Seeing Like a State

Stanford University political scientist David Laitin described it as "a magisterial book." But he said there were flaws in the methodology of the book, saying the book "is a product of undisciplined history. For one, Scott’s evidence is selective and eclectic, with only minimal attempts to weigh disconfirming evidence... It is all too easy to select confirming evidence if the author can choose from the entire historical record and use material from all countries of the world

No need for me to write a review then.

[shosta]

magisterial, huh... guess that means it's right

[BisMarckie]

magisterial, huh... guess that means it's right

Even if that were the case, it's from a PolSci guy. Imagine having benji review your book.

[shosta]

So I should ignore his complaints about methodology?

[BisMarckie]

Acknowledging the legitimacy of PolSci or admitting defeat....

I choose death.

[Stro]

News outlets running snuff clips 300 times a day every few weeks could probably make an impact on this

[shosta]

Just to get this thread back on track, I absolutely believe we are not talking nearly enough about atra giving us advance notice that he's going to blow something up 

[Stro]

Thanks for implicating all of us you fuck

[BIONIC]

Just to get this thread back on track, I absolutely believe we are not talking nearly enough about atra giving us advance notice that he's going to blow something up 

I hear it’s possum hunting season 

[Atramental]

I already bailed on possum girl last month.

My last interaction with her finally proved to me that she was a lost cause. 

[BIONIC]

Just means you have to become a heroin junky to measure up to her very high standards my dude 

[Nintex]

When Twitter bans him as the result of his own EO Trump will go on Facebook and tell his Q's and Trump supporters to start a civil war against the state that spirals into an open season on Democrats in office. 

Joe Rogan will do a podcast to get high with Michael Moore and discuss how Joe Biden farted really loud on TV the other night when he condemned the violence from both sides.

[Phoenix Dark]

You know who isn't gonna revolt? The guys who don't vote, don't believe in gun ownership, and can't do 10 push ups. 

[jakefromstatefarm]

seeing like a state was the book that, if radicalize is the wrong word, definitely awoke me from my normie slumbers. the upshot is that states -or at least modern ones- operate with an implicit logic, focused around making legible discreet units of governance, and then constructing some kind of administrative order for the purposes of surveillance and manipulation. (sometimes one activity performs both goals.) the point isn’t that surnames were rarer before the rise of the modern state (though i think that’s true), it’s that surnames and full names become metamorphosed into tools readily available for states to use when policing, taxing or conscripting. the argument is that a ‘government name’ as a fixed, rigid designator of a person isn’t really conceivable outside of modern, european/colonial-inspired polities. the roman nomina system -all three units of which are really just different family names, it’s rare to see a truly unique, personal name of a roman citizen- doesn’t really give the lie to this argument: honorifics like ‘Africanus’ or designators like ‘Scaevola’ were treated virtually on par with all the other elements of a roman name; citizens acceded to a name upon adulthood. these names weren’t fixed indices referable, and this is the point, to a state structure and its method of recognizing people. and this recognition is, again, in service to the state’s fashioning a certain public order

the book’s actually good. it should be read. and also read Foucault’s berkeley lectures and Hacking’s taming of chance.

also, you guys should check out Scott’s wikipedia page, cuz there are two sentences on it that are not like the others:

On graduation, Scott received a Rotary International Fellowship to study in Burma, where he was recruited by an American student activist who had become an anti-communist organizer for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Scott agreed to do reporting for the agency and at the end of his fellowship a post in the Paris office of the National Student Association, which accepted CIA money and direction in working against communist-controlled global student movements over the next few years.

[mormapope]

I'm going to be real with you guys, anyone with conservative viewpoints or ideologies, those people bleeding to death or dying horribly would make life feel a bit better. Maybe it's being exposed to the average American day in and day out, but my patience and empathy for hateful rhetoric that's targeted towards people of color, gender and sexuality, the poor, the unprivileged, mentally and physically disabled, anyone that has that hateful rhetoric is choosing to be evil. I don't care if evil is fostered from environmental triggers or biological tendency, evil is evil.

Don't care if conservatives have families, loved ones, dogs, black friends, they have had enough time and comfort and privalege to come to conclusions about life that aren't hurtful to others, that cause harm to others. People on the right willingly choose hateful, idiotic, harmful behaviors.

Time will wash us all away, and I will feel triumphant victory if I outlive any conservative, white, dumbfuck tard motherfucker that dies before me.

[shosta]

[curly]

I can sympathize, nothing radicalizes you like customer service in the covid era

[mormapope]

Try working with conservative co-workers and watch how Americans shop and act in a pandemic breh. The amount of anger and disgust I have day to day is making me root for not so nice things.

[brawndolicious]

I'm going to be real with you guys, anyone with conservative viewpoints or ideologies, those people bleeding to death or dying horribly would make life feel a bit better. Maybe it's being exposed to the average American day in and day out, but my patience and empathy for hateful rhetoric that's targeted towards people of color, gender and sexuality, the poor, the unprivileged, mentally and physically disabled, anyone that has that hateful rhetoric is choosing to be evil. I don't care if evil is fostered from environmental triggers or biological tendency, evil is evil.

Don't care if conservatives have families, loved ones, dogs, black friends, they have had enough time and comfort and privalege to come to conclusions about life that aren't hurtful to others, that cause harm to others. People on the right willingly choose hateful, idiotic, harmful behaviors.

Time will wash us all away, and I will feel triumphant victory if I outlive any conservative, white, dumbfuck tard motherfucker that dies before me.

I can understand where you're coming from and everything but are you not a white, Canadian dude?

[Madrun Badrun]

I'm going to be real with you guys, anyone with conservative viewpoints or ideologies, those people bleeding to death or dying horribly would make life feel a bit better. Maybe it's being exposed to the average American day in and day out, but my patience and empathy for hateful rhetoric that's targeted towards people of color, gender and sexuality, the poor, the unprivileged, mentally and physically disabled, anyone that has that hateful rhetoric is choosing to be evil. I don't care if evil is fostered from environmental triggers or biological tendency, evil is evil.

Don't care if conservatives have families, loved ones, dogs, black friends, they have had enough time and comfort and privalege to come to conclusions about life that aren't hurtful to others, that cause harm to others. People on the right willingly choose hateful, idiotic, harmful behaviors.

Time will wash us all away, and I will feel triumphant victory if I outlive any conservative, white, dumbfuck tard motherfucker that dies before me.

I can understand where you're coming from and everything but are you not a white, Canadian dude?

Like white Canadian dudes can't wish for the death of America, racist.

[Nintex]

[Positive Touch]

it feels kind of crazy but then you remember that this relatively small group of assholes has made the rest of the country a shithole where immigrants are put in cages, teenagers can buy assault rifles, the plague is an inescapable fact of life, police have essentially unlimited power, and a few jerkoffs get rich off all of it. and fuck that doesn't even cover how we treat the rest of the world. if the monsters supporting that shit have to die so we can pull back on that even a little then fuck me let's go.

[Akala]

[Mr Gilhaney]

dont doxx me breh

[Joe Molotov]

is that filler?

[Nintex]

Having learned more about the recent incident I just want to say that I hope the police officer will be treated with respect and gets a fair trial after he's shot in the dick.

[team filler]

is that filler?

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1266120983250898947

 

[Joe Molotov]

He was wearing a mask, what's the problem?

[Yeti]

[Akala]

https://twitter.com/lozaning/status/1266205209711259648

[shosta]

#JusticeForBobDylan

[team filler]

another precinct has fallen, what's the plumbing like in MN? 

[mormapope]

I'm going to be real with you guys, anyone with conservative viewpoints or ideologies, those people bleeding to death or dying horribly would make life feel a bit better. Maybe it's being exposed to the average American day in and day out, but my patience and empathy for hateful rhetoric that's targeted towards people of color, gender and sexuality, the poor, the unprivileged, mentally and physically disabled, anyone that has that hateful rhetoric is choosing to be evil. I don't care if evil is fostered from environmental triggers or biological tendency, evil is evil.

Don't care if conservatives have families, loved ones, dogs, black friends, they have had enough time and comfort and privalege to come to conclusions about life that aren't hurtful to others, that cause harm to others. People on the right willingly choose hateful, idiotic, harmful behaviors.

Time will wash us all away, and I will feel triumphant victory if I outlive any conservative, white, dumbfuck tard motherfucker that dies before me.

I can understand where you're coming from and everything but are you not a white, Canadian dude?

Uhhhh no, Midwest US .

[CatsCatsCats]

So, pretty close