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thisismyusername

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1500 on: November 11, 2020, 12:12:40 AM »
https://twitter.com/jeffgerstmann/status/1326384523031011331

Holy shit, how does Sony still not do Sleep right on their non-Portable consoles?

Bebpo

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« Reply #1501 on: November 11, 2020, 12:31:56 AM »
Yeah, Sony sucks at software. They've always been a hardware company and it shows in their OS stuff.

thisismyusername

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1502 on: November 11, 2020, 12:37:59 AM »
Yeah, Sony sucks at software. They've always been a hardware company and it shows in their OS stuff.

Sure, but the PSP and it's little brother both did sleep mode just fine. How did the PS4 and 5 somehow fuck that up?

Bebpo

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« Reply #1503 on: November 11, 2020, 12:52:19 AM »
Wait, what's wrong with sleep mode on PS4? I use it almost daily and haven't had any issue?

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« Reply #1504 on: November 11, 2020, 12:55:53 AM »
I don't really remember lots of problems with rest mode on my PS4.

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« Reply #1505 on: November 11, 2020, 01:38:49 AM »
Wait, what's wrong with sleep mode on PS4? I use it almost daily and haven't had any issue?

Yeah, Rest Mode is probably my favorite feature of the PS4. On the rare occasions of playing 360 games, waiting for it to start up and connect to XBL feels interminably long now.

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« Reply #1506 on: November 11, 2020, 01:58:10 AM »
They should have just built on the PS4 OS rather than start fresh, that would also let them beta test it on the millions of PS4s out there to catch weird bugs like that.

I mean I get that it's all about having a whole new look exclusively for the next-gen but every other consumer electronic gets major OS updates these days.

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« Reply #1507 on: November 11, 2020, 02:04:39 AM »
It probably is an updated version of whatever BSD fork they were using on PS4. Not surprised to see launch software fucking up.

We won't ever get a console OS as open as PS3's ever again :(

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1508 on: November 11, 2020, 02:39:00 AM »
Stop shoveling cash to Randy Pitchford you fool. Only buy his shit used :pacspit

Wow Nintex and I agree on something? :aah

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1509 on: November 11, 2020, 07:56:01 AM »

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« Reply #1510 on: November 11, 2020, 09:50:11 AM »
https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2020/11/11/21559903/sony-playstation-5-no-browser-1440p-support-vr

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Unlike the Xbox Series X, Series S, and the One X before them, the PS5 won’t output natively to 1440p monitors, instead scaling up from 1080p. Nishino says this is because Sony wanted to focus on TV support at first, but notes that there’s no technical reason why it couldn’t be done and may be added if the company decides there’s enough demand.

If there's no reason why it can't be done...why wouldn't you add support?
:mindblown
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« Reply #1511 on: November 11, 2020, 10:17:12 AM »
Enough demand  :neogaf

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1512 on: November 11, 2020, 11:23:28 AM »
https://twitter.com/jeffgerstmann/status/1326384523031011331

Holy shit, how does Sony still not do Sleep right on their non-Portable consoles?

The UI sounds like utter shit.

Bebpo

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1513 on: November 11, 2020, 11:50:32 AM »
Nice to see everything's reviewing well outside Godfall.

Also Astrobot team says more Astrobot coming. Assuming it's Astrobot 2, though big question is will it be VR or not. Playroom is reviewing extremely well with lots of 9s/10s and is not VR so could see them do non-VR for wider audience.

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1514 on: November 11, 2020, 12:04:47 PM »
no money to bitchford pls brehs, daddy nintex says so

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1515 on: November 11, 2020, 01:23:06 PM »
Pitchford's wiki page is pretty interesting.  "I was only studying a magic trick"   :jared

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« Reply #1516 on: November 11, 2020, 01:38:32 PM »
It's funny because Godfall is the most fun sounding launch game to me.

I mean it looks interesting and combat games are always good, but a whollllle lot of 5/10s out there on this and that's with the launch title benefit of doubt bonus. Seems bad.

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« Reply #1517 on: November 11, 2020, 02:30:05 PM »
Also its 70$

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« Reply #1518 on: November 11, 2020, 02:36:59 PM »
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Maybe there’s a world where people want to min-max all of this stuff, and maybe there are high level players who can keep all of Godfall’s combat options in their head at once and truly master combat. But I’m not sure there’s much to master, really. In my experience, nearly every fight was so easy as to be brainless, except for three that were stupidly difficult. Even then, the absence of traditional checkpoints—when you die you just pick up where you left off, though bosses will regenerate back a portion of their health—means you can just slam your face into any fight until you eventually win. Importantly, this means you don’t need to actually learn what you’re doing wrong—if you’re even doing anything wrong.

https://egmnow.com/godfall-review/

Yeah, sounds like a lot of fun

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« Reply #1519 on: November 11, 2020, 03:04:54 PM »
https://twitter.com/dark1x/status/1326614963692179456

Between Astrobot and this it's nice to have some platformers at launch.


Platformers, sandbox games and souls games. Good launch.

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1520 on: November 11, 2020, 04:08:00 PM »
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Maybe there’s a world where people want to min-max all of this stuff, and maybe there are high level players who can keep all of Godfall’s combat options in their head at once and truly master combat. But I’m not sure there’s much to master, really. In my experience, nearly every fight was so easy as to be brainless, except for three that were stupidly difficult. Even then, the absence of traditional checkpoints—when you die you just pick up where you left off, though bosses will regenerate back a portion of their health—means you can just slam your face into any fight until you eventually win. Importantly, this means you don’t need to actually learn what you’re doing wrong—if you’re even doing anything wrong.

https://egmnow.com/godfall-review/

Yeah, sounds like a lot of fun

Godfail.

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« Reply #1521 on: November 11, 2020, 04:23:57 PM »
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The frame rate hitches repeatedly, including pretty much every time you pick up an item. That’s true even in combat, and I died at least once because the action had stuttered.
I encountered regular crashes back to the home screen.
Once, the game managed to completely crash my PlayStation 5 to the point the system powered off.
Gearsux  :pacspit

There's something I don't quite get about the PS5 and that is the resolution choices.
I read that the PS5 doesn't do 1440p but also that it only does 4k on 120hz in certain games and otherwise defaults to 1080p / 120hz?
Like how does that work.
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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1522 on: November 11, 2020, 04:52:51 PM »
And Counterplay games was supposed to be an A-tier dev studio full of ex Blizzard, ex Insomniac and ex Celle Door devs.

So much for that.

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1523 on: November 11, 2020, 04:53:52 PM »
You could tell godfall was gonna be a dud by the way they were showing so much of it but also so little, if you get me lol. If it was good we wouldn't have had all those vague, ui less "gameplay" trailers.

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1524 on: November 11, 2020, 04:56:43 PM »
When Too Human looks more exciting than your loot brawler.

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1525 on: November 11, 2020, 04:58:33 PM »
Imagine bothering to do your job in 2020  :pacspit
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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1526 on: November 11, 2020, 05:19:33 PM »
Imagine having a job in 2020.
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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1527 on: November 11, 2020, 05:48:37 PM »
I'm not saying I'm even buying the game lol.. just doesn't sound as bad as the scores.   The entire EGM review sounds like he's making excuses for why he didn't actually bother doing his job.
Playing games for a living is hard man.

Man IDK know if I want one of these or not. New hardware is exciting and I actually do like demons souls, but my use caase for a ps5 is basically, playing ps4 games I liked that had shitty performance again and deso which again I've already played.

I also like the look of the series X better but there's nothing to play there either (maybe yakuza?)

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« Reply #1528 on: November 11, 2020, 06:10:04 PM »
IIRC Godfall is also an online-only title.  So whenever they pull the plug on it, enjoy the PS5's first coaster/digital dud.
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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1529 on: November 11, 2020, 06:18:56 PM »
My PS5 shipped from amazon woooo

Nuitangg

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1530 on: November 11, 2020, 07:15:14 PM »
I regret ordering from Walmart they can't even keep anyone updated.  :maf

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« Reply #1531 on: November 11, 2020, 08:01:11 PM »
Still nothing from FedEx.   :-\

Nuitangg

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1532 on: November 11, 2020, 08:08:18 PM »
Yeah, I'm not very confident lol. Did you still have the cancel order button on Walmarts site?  I'm still able to cancel which is weird.

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« Reply #1533 on: November 11, 2020, 08:53:57 PM »
got it  8)

arrived at work and we're doing one of those "work on your pet project" days so i set it up and played some astro bot lol. disc version of demon's out of stock everywhere here so i guess i'm paying $140 for the online version  :doge

that's 95usd  :-X

this is why we australasians are generally pirates.

picked up the ultimate edition of miles morales after they price matched on a good local deal. might just stick with that and try pick up a cheap copy of demon's down the line heh. such ridic pricing
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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1534 on: November 11, 2020, 10:28:14 PM »
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The frame rate hitches repeatedly, including pretty much every time you pick up an item. That’s true even in combat, and I died at least once because the action had stuttered.
I encountered regular crashes back to the home screen.
Once, the game managed to completely crash my PlayStation 5 to the point the system powered off.
Gearsux  :pacspit

There's something I don't quite get about the PS5 and that is the resolution choices.
I read that the PS5 doesn't do 1440p but also that it only does 4k on 120hz in certain games and otherwise defaults to 1080p / 120hz?
Like how does that work.

It's supposed to be patched later but basically the PS5 currently can output at 720P, 1080P, and 4K.

If you plug it into a 1440P monitor that can accept up to 1440P signal on its input, then the PS5 can output a 1080P signal that the monitor then has to upscale to 1440P.

If that monitor can accept a 4K signal on its input, then the PS5 can output a 4K signal that the monitor then has to downscale to 1440P.

So probably shouldn't use a 1440P monitor for now since monitors typically suck at scaling. Also there should be a patch later for VRR and for whatever reason, a game like DMC5 has some weirdness selecting output resolution if you don't have a 4K HDMI 2.1 display:

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-devil-may-cry-5-ps5-xbox-series-x-comparison

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However, the fact that we can use Devil May Cry 5 as a 'benchmark' at all is mostly down to the fact that the developers have targeted 120Hz as the standard refresh rate output. This is great for seeing top-end performance metrics, but it's bad news for the experience - especially on PlayStation 5. This is because 120Hz output is locked to any screen that supports 120Hz, no matter the resolution. So consider a highly popular 4K screen - the LG OLED B8. PS5 sees that it is 120Hz-compatible, and overrides 4K resolution. All modes will run at a 120Hz refresh rate, at 1080p resolution - which is absolutely not ideal. Another popular screen is the Samsung NU8000. It's a 4K screen but on PS5, Devil May Cry will force through the 120Hz refresh rate instead, resulting in a downscale to 1440p that the user has no control over.

And this is where Xbox Series X has an advantage that's crucial. Users can simply dip into the video settings, select 60Hz and Devil May Cry 5 runs in a generally stable way - a locked 60 frames per second is very much preferable to the fully unlocked set-up on a 120Hz screen whether you're gaming on PS5 or Xbox Series X. We have shared our findings with Capcom a while back, and fingers crossed there'll be a solution to the issue, but the tl;dr version is simple enough on paper: allow PS5 users to select between 60Hz and 120Hz output resolution.

So basically, it's probably not recommended to play games that go above 60 fps, have inconsistent framerates, or to use a 1440P monitor. For now anyways.

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« Reply #1535 on: November 11, 2020, 11:19:11 PM »
If you want to use game consoles on a 1440P monitor, get an mClassic.  The only caveat is that it doesn't support HDR.
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« Reply #1536 on: November 12, 2020, 02:14:33 AM »
Target shit the bed with in seconds and Sony Direct sold out. Too bad.

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1537 on: November 12, 2020, 08:15:53 AM »
Target shit the bed with in seconds and Sony Direct sold out. Too bad.

Check Walmart today, you might be able to pick one up locally too.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/walmart-ps5-release-times-heres-when-the-ps5-goes-on-sale-tomorrow/1100-6484109/?ftag=CAD-03-10abf8b
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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1538 on: November 12, 2020, 08:20:05 AM »
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The frame rate hitches repeatedly, including pretty much every time you pick up an item. That’s true even in combat, and I died at least once because the action had stuttered.
I encountered regular crashes back to the home screen.
Once, the game managed to completely crash my PlayStation 5 to the point the system powered off.
Gearsux  :pacspit

There's something I don't quite get about the PS5 and that is the resolution choices.
I read that the PS5 doesn't do 1440p but also that it only does 4k on 120hz in certain games and otherwise defaults to 1080p / 120hz?
Like how does that work.

It's supposed to be patched later but basically the PS5 currently can output at 720P, 1080P, and 4K.

If you plug it into a 1440P monitor that can accept up to 1440P signal on its input, then the PS5 can output a 1080P signal that the monitor then has to upscale to 1440P.

If that monitor can accept a 4K signal on its input, then the PS5 can output a 4K signal that the monitor then has to downscale to 1440P.

So probably shouldn't use a 1440P monitor for now since monitors typically suck at scaling. Also there should be a patch later for VRR and for whatever reason, a game like DMC5 has some weirdness selecting output resolution if you don't have a 4K HDMI 2.1 display:

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-devil-may-cry-5-ps5-xbox-series-x-comparison

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However, the fact that we can use Devil May Cry 5 as a 'benchmark' at all is mostly down to the fact that the developers have targeted 120Hz as the standard refresh rate output. This is great for seeing top-end performance metrics, but it's bad news for the experience - especially on PlayStation 5. This is because 120Hz output is locked to any screen that supports 120Hz, no matter the resolution. So consider a highly popular 4K screen - the LG OLED B8. PS5 sees that it is 120Hz-compatible, and overrides 4K resolution. All modes will run at a 120Hz refresh rate, at 1080p resolution - which is absolutely not ideal. Another popular screen is the Samsung NU8000. It's a 4K screen but on PS5, Devil May Cry will force through the 120Hz refresh rate instead, resulting in a downscale to 1440p that the user has no control over.

And this is where Xbox Series X has an advantage that's crucial. Users can simply dip into the video settings, select 60Hz and Devil May Cry 5 runs in a generally stable way - a locked 60 frames per second is very much preferable to the fully unlocked set-up on a 120Hz screen whether you're gaming on PS5 or Xbox Series X. We have shared our findings with Capcom a while back, and fingers crossed there'll be a solution to the issue, but the tl;dr version is simple enough on paper: allow PS5 users to select between 60Hz and 120Hz output resolution.

So basically, it's probably not recommended to play games that go above 60 fps, have inconsistent framerates, or to use a 1440P monitor. For now anyways.
My C8 only does 4k / 60hz and not 4k / 120hz as far as I know. Weird that they're not supporting VRR
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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1539 on: November 12, 2020, 09:31:27 AM »
Yeah Walmart is probably going to be hell if Target and now Best Buy are anything to go by. This system is'nt going to available for 6 months at this rate.

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« Reply #1540 on: November 12, 2020, 10:29:38 AM »
My Amazon order says estimated Nov 13-16 but still hasn’t shipped. Hopefully today.

Nuitangg

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« Reply #1541 on: November 12, 2020, 11:51:04 AM »
Delayed according to chat.  I was hoping for a fedex email this morning.   :maf

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1542 on: November 12, 2020, 11:58:18 AM »
Can’t wait for rootass to bitch about how hard Demon’s Souls is  :rejoice
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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1543 on: November 12, 2020, 12:28:20 PM »
My cancel button has been replaced with a reorder button.  I guess things are looking up.  Walmart is a fucking joke.  :lol

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1544 on: November 12, 2020, 12:29:28 PM »
Ok I'm out till 2021. These online orders have been awful.

Bebpo

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1545 on: November 12, 2020, 01:25:42 PM »
Got my system from Amazon. Hope it doesn't blow up.

MMaRsu

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1546 on: November 12, 2020, 02:54:37 PM »
Deso isnt all that hard anyway

Bebpo

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1547 on: November 12, 2020, 03:05:34 PM »
It was hard for me as my first souls. I remember just using homing missile and kiting everything for an entire game  :'(

Still loved it.


Now that I know how to play souls, I am going melee for the remake.

Bebpo

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1548 on: November 12, 2020, 03:44:49 PM »
Oh god this system is enormous. Bigger than I ever imagined. Feels like a mini-desktop. Yeah, this is fucked in Japan until the slim version.

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1549 on: November 12, 2020, 04:31:50 PM »
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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1550 on: November 12, 2020, 04:48:30 PM »
First thoughts:

-Disc installing takes goddamn forever. Might be faster to buy games digitally than wait 30-60 mins for a game to install off disc.

-Are there no folders again? Why do they keep releasing systems without folders and then adding folders in later. WTF.

-Regions are handled...differently. I can log into my USA and JPN accounts and switch between them and their libraries no problem
thankfully (was scared this wouldn't work), but my JPN games that I haven't downloaded/installed yet are showing as "view product" and not "download/owned" on my USA user. Worst case scenario games may only be playable on their own region user. Which sucks when you want a single user for friend list/trophies, but w/e. I have some JPN games queued so I will see what happens when they finish installing and if I can play them on my USA user account. NM, THIS IS SAFE, SAME AS PS4

-UI seems nice and smooth. I like how the PS4 game library is integrated. Haven't tried moving saves over because didn't want to tie up the system for potentially hours moving all my PS4 shit. Will move saves one game at a time for things I want to test out.

-Pretty quiet so far. Disc drive when installing Miles was the loudest part but after it installed it's been quiet.

-Oh and I hate how the disc drive is hidden at the bottom. Pretty hard to get down there and put a disc in/out. I wish I could put the system upside down with the disc drive on top. Vertical takes care of this but I'm not putting consoles vertical to crash down and break. I am clumsy.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2020, 05:41:21 PM by Bebpo »

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1551 on: November 12, 2020, 04:55:25 PM »
Oh and you can't disc install and download something at the same time arghhhhh, whyyyyyy

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1552 on: November 12, 2020, 05:38:31 PM »
My C8 only does 4k / 60hz and not 4k / 120hz as far as I know. Weird that they're not supporting VRR

Weird, it can do 1080p @ 120 Hz apparently:

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c8-oled

I would think since the HDMI port has the bandwidth for 4k/60, it should be able to do 1440/120 but iono. I just have a cheap LG UM8070 and that's how it works.

Oh and you can't disc install and download something at the same time arghhhhh, whyyyyyy

Apparently you can take an external drive that you have connected to a PS4 and just connect it to PS5. Probably by far the fastest way to transfer stuff as servers will be clogged today.

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1553 on: November 12, 2020, 05:41:05 PM »
OK, YOU CAN PLAY GAMES FROM OTHER ACCOUNTS & REGIONS ON ANY ACCOUNT

phew

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1554 on: November 12, 2020, 05:46:44 PM »
We in bois

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Waiting for DeS to finish downloading

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1555 on: November 12, 2020, 05:49:33 PM »
OK, YOU CAN PLAY GAMES FROM OTHER ACCOUNTS & REGIONS ON ANY ACCOUNT

phew

I was worried about that, as a multi console household we rely heavily on that to share the library across the house.

Bebpo

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1556 on: November 12, 2020, 05:56:22 PM »
Ok, this is bullshit. My PS+ stopped uploading saves 3 months ago because even though I haven't hit anywhere near the storage limit (still have 90gb free) I have hit the limit of the number of saves and PS+ cloud save storage is full.

So time to delete it all and just upload the saves for games I'm carrying over. Annoyingg.

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1557 on: November 12, 2020, 05:58:15 PM »
Looks like the limit is 1000 save files total. Says 10 mins to delete them all. *edit* down to 2 mins.

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1558 on: November 12, 2020, 06:57:31 PM »
Not even a minute for Amazon.

Today has been daggers through my PS fanboy heart.

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Re: Playstation 5
« Reply #1559 on: November 12, 2020, 07:26:50 PM »
Not even a minute for Amazon.

Today has been daggers through my PS fanboy heart.
Shopping for tech products is ridiculous now with all the bots and scripts being used.
Scalpers selling this stuff for twice the regular price.
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