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« Reply #1620 on: August 11, 2022, 03:20:31 PM »
To be clear, the statement is nothing as it doesn't say what the search was about. 
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« Reply #1621 on: August 11, 2022, 03:27:44 PM »
He pulled a Nintendo.

"please understand"  (deep bow)
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« Reply #1622 on: August 11, 2022, 03:39:56 PM »
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1557807699919884288

Trump could have revealed it at any point but didn't.
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« Reply #1623 on: August 11, 2022, 03:54:40 PM »
HES ON

wtf does he look so old we need hot attorneys like ally mcbeal


Edit: its fucking nothing

They (DOJ) are going to make public the warrant and a redacted item list of what was seized. It's not nothing. Weird that Trump team didn't want to release it but I suppose that might make it more difficult to milk his supporters for more money.
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« Reply #1624 on: August 11, 2022, 04:05:12 PM »
It was essentially just reminding people that this is process and you don't get to have all information about an ongoing investigation at the drop of a hat just because it has political consequences.  So like hold onto your horses before you start shooting up the FBI. 
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« Reply #1625 on: August 11, 2022, 04:10:59 PM »
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« Reply #1628 on: August 11, 2022, 05:29:27 PM »
33 million pages? If Obama has those I assume you could spot them from space

Edit: oh he's referring to the very shady action of transferring his records to.... the national archive which apparently is standard procedure...

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/01/politics/obama-white-house-records

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« Reply #1630 on: August 11, 2022, 06:47:27 PM »
https://twitter.com/ktbenner/status/1557848942800687106
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« Reply #1633 on: August 11, 2022, 08:55:59 PM »
Im hearing rumors that Trump was building a nuclear bomb
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« Reply #1634 on: August 11, 2022, 08:59:46 PM »
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« Reply #1635 on: August 11, 2022, 09:13:40 PM »
Trump is so dumb that I can totally believe he tried to sell nuclear information to Russia and the Saudis.


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« Reply #1637 on: August 11, 2022, 09:49:31 PM »
https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/1557902148314210305

I can certainly buy this less sinister, more incompetence argument. It's January 2017, you're rushing to leave DC, grabbing documents...maybe you get some classified shit mixed in there. However it is very hard for me to believe that classified nuclear weapon documents are just lounging on the desk in the weeks before inauguration, to the point they're accidently dumped in a box alongside personal paperwork. That sounds like a major stretch to me.
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« Reply #1638 on: August 11, 2022, 09:59:47 PM »
It seems more likely to me that they were trying to take a bunch of paperwork they shouldn't have been taking and accidentally got some overclassified nuclear secrets in those.

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« Reply #1639 on: August 11, 2022, 10:04:12 PM »
He thought he was taking an article about the nuclear family written by Sean Hannity
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« Reply #1640 on: August 11, 2022, 10:22:00 PM »
It seems more likely to me that they were trying to take a bunch of paperwork they shouldn't have been taking and accidentally got some overclassified nuclear secrets in those.

And then accidentally made a profit by bartering deals with the Saudis using said accidentally procured documents.

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« Reply #1642 on: August 11, 2022, 10:46:31 PM »
I told you fucks it was the Area 51 files

Those spaceships ran on clean fission tech and big oil will do anything they can to keep it away from the public
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« Reply #1643 on: August 11, 2022, 11:05:58 PM »
I told you fucks it was the Area 51 files
It was the military's research on trying to stop a mass of people Naruto running, even nuclear weapons couldn't do it.

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« Reply #1644 on: August 11, 2022, 11:44:34 PM »
TBF one can reach up to 100km/h by exploiting the lead Naturo's slipstream.  That's just dangerous to society. 
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« Reply #1645 on: August 11, 2022, 11:44:43 PM »
I try not to laugh at real people dying because life should have some prestige and all that,

but that nutjob that got himself killed attacking the FBI while tweeting something like "Whoops, guess nails don't go through bulletproof glass" is too fucking hilarious.

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« Reply #1646 on: August 12, 2022, 01:57:46 AM »
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1557936584200228865
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Hard to believe the MSM would pull out the Saddam playbook on Donald Trump but here we are
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« Reply #1647 on: August 12, 2022, 02:31:51 AM »
"Rudy you know I can't read small text, what does the warrant say?"
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« Reply #1648 on: August 12, 2022, 02:41:07 AM »
Garland: "The integrity of the FBI is unquestionable"

FBI: *leaks classified information about the most politically sensitive raid in history to the Washington Post*

And these documents were supposed to be stored by the national archives? None of this makes sense.
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« Reply #1649 on: August 12, 2022, 07:42:13 AM »
Garland: "The integrity of the FBI is unquestionable"

FBI: *leaks classified information about the most politically sensitive raid in history to the Washington Post*

And these documents were supposed to be stored by the national archives? None of this makes sense.

The FBI most likely did not leak this. They've been operating entirely outside of the public view until Trump said he got raided.

No one in the public knows where or what the documents even are fully yet. We have reporting out of Wapo that the nature of at least some are tied to nuclear. Again, what and to what extent is all just speculation at this moment.

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« Reply #1650 on: August 12, 2022, 07:43:52 AM »
I told you fucks it was the Area 51 files

Those spaceships ran on clean fission tech and big oil will do anything they can to keep it away from the public
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« Reply #1653 on: August 12, 2022, 11:49:19 AM »
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/trump-robert-obrien-elaine-chao-jan-6-committee-rcna42737

WASHINGTON — The House Jan. 6 committee is set to interview former national security adviser Robert O'Brien on Friday as it expands its inquiry into former President Donald Trump's role in the insurrection, a source familiar with the panel's work confirmed.

Former Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao, who resigned the day after the Capitol riot, has already spoken with the committee, the source said. Chao was interviewed Aug. 3. A representative for Chao declined to comment.

The committee is trying to learn more about what top Trump administration officials knew about the former president's intentions on Jan. 6, 2021, and whether Cabinet members discussed removing him from office — by invoking the 25th Amendment to the Constitution — in the wake of the riot, the source said.

In a series of high-profile public hearings, the committee has shown that Trump and his allies tried to overturn the results of the 2020 election in a number of ways. They included pressuring state elections officials to reverse results, creating slates of "fake electors" to replace certified electors and urging Justice Department officials to falsely declare the election fraudulent.

After all else failed, Trump tried to get then-Vice President Mike Pence to agree to interfere with the constitutional count of the electoral votes that made Joe Biden president.

At a rally held near the White House on Jan. 6, Trump told his supporters to march to the Capitol, where a mob broke into the building and suspended the process of counting electoral votes. Some in the crowd chanted, "Hang Mike Pence!"

The insurrection forced members of Congress to delay the count of electoral votes. Chao's husband, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., is one of the members who were forced to seek safe hiding places amid the rioting.

The committee has said it will hold more public hearings after Congress' August recess.

CNN first reported that Chao had met with the panel and that the panel was seeking interviews with O'Brien, as well as former Education Secretary Betsy DeVos.

The committee declined to comment.


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« Reply #1655 on: August 12, 2022, 12:30:16 PM »
Theory: Donald Trump text messaged his Saudi buddies "want to buy some nudes" but mistyped as "nukes" and this whole thing is a sitcom level misunderstanding
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« Reply #1656 on: August 12, 2022, 12:47:33 PM »
This isn't fair.

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« Reply #1657 on: August 12, 2022, 01:21:40 PM »
https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-trump-raid-documents-could-reveal-intel-sources-us-payroll-1733230

In pursuing the unprecedented search of Donald Trump's residence on Monday, the FBI was seeking to retrieve Top Secret and "compartmented" documents dealing with intelligence "sources and methods," two federal government sources tell Newsweek—documents with the potential to reveal U.S. intelligence sources, including human sources on the American government payroll.

This greatly complicates any public discussion of the documents or any substantiation of Trump's potential violation of U.S. law. The sources, who were briefed on the investigation, requested anonymity in order to discuss sensitive information.

"Compartmented" is a specific term meaning "classified information concerning or derived from intelligence sources, methods, or analytical processes, which is required to be handled within formal access control systems established by the Director of National Intelligence." It includes a variety of different access categories—for example, human, intercept, satellite sources—each of which limits how many people can know the nature of the compartment. One of the government sources says that "special access program" information was involved in the Mar-a-Lago case, a further category of information limited to an even smaller group of people.

Intelligence sources familiar with the classification system and the investigation say that neither the search warrant nor the inventory, if unsealed, will likely answer most people's questions about whether the search was necessary.

"In order to prove that this was a matter of national security and essential to be done in this way, some detail on what Trump was keeping will have to be revealed," one intelligence officer, granted anonymity to speak about an ongoing investigation, tells Newsweek. "That might be difficult for the government precisely because of the sensitivity of the documents."

Under normal circumstances, investigators write a detailed list of all the materials taken from a person or property that is searched, filing a copy of that inventory with the court that approved the search warrant. But in the case of classified documents, the inventory list might be intentionally vague: for example, "ten documents, numbered 1 through 10, consisting of 65 pages, stamped Top Secret and above." Since the assumption is that the search warrant might become public, neither the inventory nor the search warrant would include any classified information.

The former president does not have authority to declassify such documents, intelligence sources say, because they are classified under statute rather than by executive order. Trump's possession of those documents and the fact that he was secreting them away came to light in the course of a multi-month federal government investigation that focused on the status of presidential records taken from the White House.

On Monday morning, FBI agents and technicians arrived at Donald Trump's Florida residence and presented the former president's attorneys a search warrant to retrieve highly classified documents at Mar-a-Lago. According to Trump spokespeople, the FBI investigators were focused on three rooms at the residence. Trump said that the FBI had broken into at least one safe of his, presumably in the Trump office or bedroom where it was found.

The information as to the whereabouts of the documents, Newsweek previously reported, came from a confidential human source, presumably someone inside the Trump camp. While not acknowledging any details of the investigation, on Thursday, Attorney General Merrick Garland stated that the Justice Department was asking that the search warrant and the inventory of property taken from Mar-a-Lago be released by the court. That request has to be agreed to—officially, not just in public statements—by Donald Trump.

Given the political firestorm that the search at Mar-a-Lago provoked, questions about the documents are of critical importance. If they were merely "routine," as Trump insists, then the search will be seen as politically motivated. The fury might be quelled if the documents are indeed revealed to be highly classified and sensitive, and the Justice Department can prove that the former president was holding onto them with no intention of giving them back. The public might conclude that the search was valid and necessary.

The road to the search at Mar-a-Lago began 18 months ago in the transition from the Trump to the Biden administration. In inventorying presidential records, the National Archives and Records Administration concluded that there were additional documents that were in Donald Trump's possession that were "presidential records" and not personal papers and thus needed to be returned to the Archives.

Months of negotiations followed, and in January 2022, 15 boxes of such boxes were turned over to the Archives. That collection led to further suspicions that the Trump camp still possessed more. Federal investigators began interviewing Trump White House and Mar-a-Lago staffers to determine what was moved. Those interviews, and a broader investigation overseen by a U.S. Attorney resulted in a grand jury subpoena served on Trump in late May to produce specific documents.

According to John Soloman, a journalist with Just the News who has also served as one of Donald Trump's liaisons to the National Archives, the subpoena requested any remaining documents Trump possessed with any classification markings, even if they involved photos of foreign leaders, correspondence or mementos from his presidency.

On June 3, three FBI special agents and a senior Justice Department official visited Mar-a-Lago to discuss any additional documents in response to the subpoena. The visiting officials were shown the basement storage room where White House records were stored, and in fulfillment of the subpoena, left with "a small number of documents," according to Soloman. The documents were classified as Top Secret and were compartmented, according to people familiar with the investigation. Trump and his spokespeople say the visit was cordial and that the Trump camp fully cooperated.

After the June visit, according to the Trump camp, communications with the investigators ceased until agents showed up on Monday to execute the search warrant. According to people familiar with the search, the decision to escalate the matter to a surprise search came because investigators concluded that additional documents were at Mar-a-Lago—documents so sensitive, they had to be retrieved in order to protect national security.

The search warrant was approved by the Florida magistrate on Friday, August 5, and three days later, the FBI showed up at Mar-a-Lago to execute the search. Some 12 additional boxes of records were hauled away. The FBI inventoried what was taken and left behind a two-page inventory with Trump's lawyers.

In the aftermath of the search, the Trump camp insists that President Trump had the right to declassify information, and thus none of the records were classified. Kash Patel, a Trump loyalist who served in intelligence and defense positions in the administration (and who also identifies himself as one of Donald Trump's representatives to the National Archives), told the Just The News podcast that Trump was the "ultimate arbiter" of the classification of a document and thus there could be no wrongdoing.

That characterization is incorrect, experts say, because documents that are covered by statute, and not classified under presidential executive order, cannot be classified or declassified by the president. That includes nuclear secrets (under the Atomic Energy Act) and documents that might identify CIA case officers or agents (under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982). The Washington Post has reported that the documents sought at Mar-a-Lago related to nuclear weapons.

That law labels as a CIA sources "an individual, other than a United States citizen, whose past or present intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information and who is a present or former agent of, or a present or former informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency."

Bill Leonard, who as head of the Information Security Oversight Office for six years in the Bush administration and oversaw this system, makes a clear distinction between information that is classified pursuant to the President's Article Two constitutional authority as commander-in-chief and those that are classified by statute, such as nuclear secrets and intelligence sources and methods regarding human agents. "That sort of information and other sensitive intelligence sources and methods are protected pursuant to law, not necessarily protected pursuant to the president's unilateral classification authority," Leonard told Grid this week. "So even an incumbent president does not have total, unfettered authority to declare information unclassified at will. Certainly, a former president has no authority to declassify any sort of information."

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« Reply #1658 on: August 12, 2022, 01:25:31 PM »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/fbi-recovered-eleven-sets-of-classified-documents-in-trump-search-inventory-shows-11660324501

FBI agents who searched former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home Monday removed 11 sets of classified documents, including some marked as top secret and meant to be only available in special government facilities, according to documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation agents took around 20 boxes of items, binders of photos, a handwritten note and the executive grant of clemency for Mr. Trump’s ally Roger Stone, a list of items removed from the property shows. Also included in the list was information about the “President of France,” according to the three-page list. The list is contained in a seven-page document that also includes the warrant to search the premises which was granted by a federal magistrate judge in Florida.

The list includes references to one set of documents marked as “Various classified/TS/SCI documents,” an abbreviation that refers to top-secret/sensitive compartmented information. It also says agents collected four sets of top secret documents, three sets of secret documents, and three sets of confidential documents. The list didn’t provide any more details about the substance of the documents.

Mr. Trump’s lawyers argue that the president used his authority to declassify the material before he left office. While a president has the power to declassify documents, there are federal regulations that lay out a process for doing so.

The search and seizure warrant, signed by U.S. Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart, shows that FBI agents sought to search “the 45 Office,” as well as “all storage rooms and all other rooms or areas within the premises used or available to be used by [the former president] and his staff and in which boxes or documents could be stored, including all structures or buildings on the estate.”
They didn’t seek access to search private guest rooms, such as those of Mar-a-Lago members, according to the document.

The former president and his team don’t have the affidavit, which would provide more detail about the FBI’s investigation, according to people familiar with the process. His lawyers have asked for a more specific account of what was removed from Mar-a-Lago.

Mr. Trump, in a post on his social-media platform Thursday, said his representatives had been “cooperating fully” and added, “The government could have had whatever they wanted, if we had it.”
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« Reply #1659 on: August 12, 2022, 01:54:52 PM »
So who is giving the press all these detailed acounts of so called classified documents if the FBI's integrity is without question :idont
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« Reply #1660 on: August 12, 2022, 01:56:45 PM »
So who is giving the press all these detailed acounts of so called classified documents if the FBI's integrity is without question :idont

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« Reply #1661 on: August 12, 2022, 02:15:27 PM »
Apprarently there's only 200 people familiar with the contents of these highly classified documents and nuclear secrets.
The bartenders in D.C. and the Special Agents who frequent their bars, as well as about half the reporters and DNC interns who maintain the social media channels.

I remember when Trump's Mar-A-Lago estate was picked by the intelligence services themselves as the Presidents' outside retreat because it was easier to secure and remote and wouldn't mess up NYC traffic as much as setting up base in Trump Tower would.
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« Reply #1662 on: August 12, 2022, 02:31:26 PM »
BREITBART HAS THE WARRANT

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« Reply #1663 on: August 12, 2022, 02:33:25 PM »
Cavity search
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« Reply #1664 on: August 12, 2022, 02:36:10 PM »
How can candy ass Brietbart have the documents but InfoWars doesn't :info

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« Reply #1665 on: August 12, 2022, 02:36:44 PM »
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1557926941646282752

The uuuhhh  .... tuckers chad editors are too much for Kilmeade

BREITBART HAS THE WARRANT

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Congrats to the Breitbart fuckboi that managed to land a wapo reporter this fast.

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The first statute is the one that has likely provoked media speculation about so-called “nuclear” documents: it applies to a broad range of defense “information,” from code books to ordinary photographs.
Guess the walls aren't closing in then?
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« Reply #1666 on: August 12, 2022, 02:40:27 PM »
Though not unexpected, the evolution of excuses is fascinating

"witchhunt!"

"FBI planted evidence"

"didn't know they were there. Honest mistake"

"I declassified the documents anyway!"

"Obama took classified documents too"


Logically, the next set of excuses should sound something like this:

"I asked beforehand and they told me I could take them. Deep State set me up."

"It was Melania/Pence/unknown aide, not me."

"it was part of my special peace plan between Russia and Ukraine. Now the FBI blew it."

"The sale of the classified docs would have gone to the Trump foundation. All for charity."

"It won't matter if I run and win in 2024"

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« Reply #1667 on: August 12, 2022, 02:45:46 PM »
The piece of evidence that the Supreme court will decide about will be a picture of Trump grinning and doing the thumbs up in front of a secret super sonic nuclear missile.
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« Reply #1669 on: August 12, 2022, 03:03:03 PM »
Garland: Trump can release the warrant whenever he wants

Trump *releases warrant*

Garland: :pika
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« Reply #1671 on: August 12, 2022, 03:11:07 PM »
This is fucked.

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« Reply #1672 on: August 12, 2022, 03:18:09 PM »
binders of photos

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« Reply #1673 on: August 12, 2022, 03:21:50 PM »
Garland: Trump can release the warrant whenever he wants

Trump *releases warrant*

Garland: :pika

Garland and the FBI are not working weekends, Donald J. Trump is.

By monday he will have set the stage and Biden will have to give a press conference to explain to the world that the United States was certainly not trying to groom the French president with the former President's pool boy and Roger Stone and Paul Manafort, in fact, did never work for the CIA.

Trump leaking the warrant is classic Trump :lawd


Government agencies working overtime all weekend
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« Reply #1675 on: August 12, 2022, 04:11:56 PM »
Garland: Trump can release the warrant whenever he wants

Trump *releases warrant*

Garland: :pika

Trump:  :morans

Garland:  :pika :girlaff :mueller

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« Reply #1677 on: August 12, 2022, 04:14:13 PM »
https://twitter.com/warkin/status/1558170430086606848

If that is true, isn't this a slam dunk of a case?

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« Reply #1678 on: August 12, 2022, 04:15:50 PM »
LOCK HIM UP
:O

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #1679 on: August 12, 2022, 04:25:22 PM »
LOCK HIM UP

Do you think his cellmates will turn him into a trick?