THE BORE

General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Himu on December 06, 2016, 09:56:42 AM

Title: FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2016, 09:56:42 AM
I wanted to read the manual while on the toilet and there's a small leaflet. I remember XI's manual to be thick. I know other games do that now but doing this for a meaty mmo? Blasphemy. Oh well, we saved the forest at least but still.

Guess I'll join Hyperion.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 06, 2016, 10:46:35 AM
hyperion is the best choce bc cool ppl party on it and it is very active. add me for the recruit a friend campaign so we get bonus items plz.

also prepare for awesomeness. it's a huge game with a ton of content, so it will take time to learn it all. fortunately the playerbase is generally friendly and helpful so if you got a question all you have to do is ask.

this is your first mmo, right?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2016, 10:58:58 AM
hyperion is the best choce bc cool ppl party on it and it is very active. add me for the recruit a friend campaign so we get bonus items plz.

also prepare for awesomeness. it's a huge game with a ton of content, so it will take time to learn it all. fortunately the playerbase is generally friendly and helpful so if you got a question all you have to do is ask.

this is your first mmo, right?

game sounds great and all but to answer your question...

I remember XI's manual to be thick

No. Ragnarok Online.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2016, 11:52:52 AM
SE interface is fucking awful please kill me

Try to log in. It requests username. I enter username and password. No username of this name available. Try a few times, same thing. Try email and it works. For some reason I'm logged into the account I used for the trial and can't log out. I'm trying to find save data so I can delete my user save data off the system and log into my main SE account. No dice. Basically, I want to die
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 06, 2016, 11:56:44 AM
I got stuck for a week because I didn't understand that I could ignore the one-time use password. shit is terrible. I'd say login and then change your info afterwards. deleting stuff on your end prolly won't do anything.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2016, 11:59:37 AM
Now I can't log in. I logged in and it wasn't the same account I used to log in with. :lol

Please kill me.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2016, 12:20:49 PM
No fucking wonder I can't log out. Apparently this thing links to your psn account. How utterly distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 06, 2016, 12:31:49 PM
please stick with it it's worth it!

also be aware that it has a huge download after you log on, so you might want to go get your game boy or something
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2016, 12:34:07 PM
i already did the trial. I know the awfulness of the dl.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 06, 2016, 12:40:55 PM
did you leave the game on your system? if you did you don't have to go thru that again.

what class are you picking? i can hop on and show you around in a few hours.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 06, 2016, 12:41:09 PM
EVERYONE PLAY THIS FUCKING GAME
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2016, 12:57:58 PM
SE customer service is dog shit.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 06, 2016, 01:00:10 PM
go to mogstation on your browser and see if you can change your info there
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2016, 01:11:21 PM
googled "square enix customer service terrible"

and found this on reddit

Quote
I had made a terrible mistake of putting in the wrong DoB when making my account as I didn't have any good expectations when playing this game in open beta(boy was I wrong). Anyway, there was a mandatory password swap awhile back and I couldn't change my PW because I didn't know my fake DoB.

I called up customer service with my ID and credit card info ready to verify who I was only to learn they didn't accept either, instead me and the guy had a guessing game on my fake birthday. So we sat there and with me counting down the years, months and days him practically going "warmer.... warmer.... you're red hot! " He couldn't legally tell me what it was even though it was in front of his face. It was probably the silliest customer service call I've ever had.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2016, 01:14:28 PM
account unlinked. thank god for customer chat.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 06, 2016, 01:26:22 PM
If you don't get too far in the next month or so, I'll sub and play through the main story campaign with you.  I've never played an MMO other than like the first 30 mins of FFXI/FFXIV, but I decided one of my new years resolutions for 2017 is gonna be to play through an MMO starting with FFXIV (and if I like it maybe I'll go back and play through FFXI).  but I wanna finish up P5 and play FFXV first, so probably wouldn't be jumping in until late January at earliest.  If you're still playing then, we should team up!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2016, 01:33:53 PM
I'm just setting it up for now. Gonna beat FFXV then start on XIV while finishing up VII. So we will team up and everything. Just need to set up server and character.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2016, 01:44:21 PM
Log into SE site on phone. It asks for SE ID. SE ID is your email. It requires email and pw.

Go to FFXIV log in screen on ps4. It requires SE ID. You can't enter email so it's not your id. Enter SE username and PW and neither work but you can't log in with email. So I can't log in.

Please kill me.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2016, 02:03:00 PM
I give up. Fuck this game. :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 06, 2016, 02:04:56 PM
Yeah i played it on pc and it was fun, then wanted to try the trial on ps4 with my se id but that was such a clusterfuck I gave up
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 06, 2016, 04:19:29 PM
go to mogstation on your browser
log in with email
change username and password
use new username to log into ff14 on ps4
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 06, 2016, 04:31:17 PM
are 33 year olds allowed in to mogstation?

asking for a friend
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: thisismyusername on December 06, 2016, 04:35:40 PM
I give up. Fuck this game. :lol

PlayOnline and the whole Square account thing is REALLY a barrier for most folks. It's like an MGO/KonamiAccount thing.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 06, 2016, 04:49:25 PM
are 33 year olds allowed in to mogstation?

asking for a friend

mogstation is a wonderful place open to all with whimsy in their hearts
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2016, 06:15:45 PM
Got in.

Okay for future reference because this company if fucking stupid.

There's technically three SE ids.

When I played FF7 steam I saw my id every time and assumed that was it. Turns out that's a nick name only.

Then there's the email of course.

But there's also a username. Mine was the same as my nick name but with a 5 added to it. But when I logged into FF7 steam I never saw this username. I had to log into my SE account and find it.

So there's:

email
username
nick name

Don't make the mistake of thinking your nickname is your username.

:snoop
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 06, 2016, 06:46:24 PM
I'll be back home in a few hours to harass you/give you items. what's you're starting class and city?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on December 06, 2016, 08:51:28 PM
If you think registrering is hell (it really was), just make sure you never lose access to your security token/one time password. That shit almost had me kill someone.

FFXIV is great, I'm sure you'll enjoy it if you're into FF and MMORPGs.
My sub ran out.. This thread makes me want to re-sub.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 06, 2016, 08:57:33 PM
i was away for like 4 months and it was hell. never again.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 06, 2016, 09:21:12 PM
There's a free 4 days of playtime for lapsed accounts going on right now I think. I'll probably get on and try to catch up on the story stuff.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 06, 2016, 10:56:14 PM
Is FFXIV better to play on PC or PS4?  I'd assume PC with a PS4 controller + kb for typing chat?

Also, I own FFXIV on PC, but not Heavensword.  Just Realm Reborn.  Can I play through the main story with this or does Heavensword add really useful game things that would make the main story more enjoyable?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2016, 11:11:52 PM
Either. I have a USB kb hooked up to my ps4.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 07, 2016, 12:35:39 AM
you don't need heavensward at all til you get to that point in the story.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 07, 2016, 01:01:17 AM
It'll take quite a while to get to HW assuming they never implement a skip. 2.1 - 2.5 is a shit load of content.

Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on December 07, 2016, 06:28:14 AM
Is FFXIV better to play on PC or PS4?  I'd assume PC with a PS4 controller + kb for typing chat?

Also, I own FFXIV on PC, but not Heavensword.  Just Realm Reborn.  Can I play through the main story with this or does Heavensword add really useful game things that would make the main story more enjoyable?
It probably doesn't matter, but boils down to personal preferences. If you have a very good computer, why not just play on PC for the best graphics? Or just stick with console, either is fine.

There are shittons of MSQs to do before you can access the Heavensword content, so there's little point in buying it right away. You need to be level 50, but also have completed tons of quests to access it. So once you reach level 50, you still have tons of quests (MSQs up until patch 2.55) to do unlock Ishgard. However, I would suggest you buy it right before you hit level 50, since that's the level cap of the game until you have Heavensward. You wanna keep earning XP once you hit 50. At least I believe this is how it works. So if you hit level 50 without the expansion, you won't earn any XP from killing mobs/doing quests. I'm sure someone else can confirm/deny this if I'm wrong. Also, you get to play Au'Ra from the start, if you want that.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 07, 2016, 07:05:41 AM
nah you're right. i was around 52 by the time I started Heavensward.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on December 07, 2016, 12:01:36 PM
After I finish 15 I'll be going back to this game. I can feel it. I already know I'll be in an FF mood haha
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 07, 2016, 02:47:01 PM
How long do the pointless mmo fetch quests last in this game? In the trial I saw some crazy well directed cutscenes featuring some taro.

Speaking of which, changing the FFXI makes makes no sense to me. I hate all of the XIV race names. They're awful and overly foreign.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 07, 2016, 04:08:03 PM
a lot of the original 2.0 story has bullshit fetch quests, which is why it's the weakest in the "series." they ease up on them after, and by the time you get to heavensward they're mostly gone. just know that when they say titan has appeared that you're in for the single worst sequence of the game.

also remember that 2.0 was a remake on a budget, and it shows sometimes. there's not much voice acting and not a ton of fully animated cutscenes. again, this is different from later add-ons, where they started putting more of that in. heavensward has a lot, and the upcoming expansion supposedly has three times the budget so it should have some wild stuff in it.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Tasty on December 09, 2016, 02:39:32 PM
What was 1.0 actually like? All I heard is the UI was terrible. Is there anything left of 1.0 in 2.0+?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 09, 2016, 03:04:04 PM
didn't play 1.0 but it was almost universally regarded as terrible. unlike ff13 it didn't even get good reviews, and the company president publicly apologized for the game.  some of the things I've heard were:

no auto attack
poor explanation of features
terrible crafting
ran like shit
copied landmarks around maps that made navigation a pain

the remake is written as a sequel, but it repurposes events which in sure was to shorten development time. so is still the same basic storyline and game design, just done much much better in 2.0
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 09, 2016, 04:18:56 PM
Apparently a not insignificant chunk of 1.0 was farmed out to some Chinese devs on the cheap, too.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 09, 2016, 05:08:11 PM
holy shit you mean to tell me each area was a single map?? the maps in 2.0 are already huge; no wonder ppl in 1.0 complained about getting lost! 1.0 definitely looked better than 2.0 tho. like i said, you can see in some ways how 2.0 was done on a budget. clearest example is how 1.0 had normal cutscenes, while 2.0 has scenes that look about as nice as a kemco rpg.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 10, 2016, 04:35:21 PM
what in the fucking hell that looks horrible
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 11, 2016, 02:42:30 AM
A lot of XIs maps kinda look like that when you apply the actual paths to the seemingly open zones.

Nothing like making your way across a map to a quest only to figure out you didn't take the right path 20 minutes ago.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on December 11, 2016, 10:02:16 AM
1.0 had a lot of loading and most of the areas were copy/paste. That was easily the most "cheap" feeling part of the game. The no auto attack was not really an issue though, cause combat was all about strategic skill usage and timing your skills with party members for chains. there just wasn't a ton there unfortunately. quests took to you like...level 30ish? Then it was all about grinding and doing repeatable missions and guildleves and such. It was also a bit easier to play on a controller but only cause you barely used any skills. The cross-class stuff was cool though. You could use almost any skill from any class which was a fun idea. The UI was a mess though. :lol (pics spoilered for size)

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Also there were some quests and cutscenes that would only come to you in dreams, so as soon as you logged in you'd get a cutscene or you'd wake up to an NPC that got all their stuff stolen during the night at the inn and you had to track it down.

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There was also no Auction House, so you couldn't look up items to buy/sell. They had the Market Ward which was everyone's goddamn retainers standing around and you'd have to examine each one to see what they were selling. They did eventually add a search to it, but all that did was tell you which retainer to talk to and the search was single-city only. Also for retainers you picked their personality as well as their look, which was cool at the time. That might still be in but I already had a couple of 1.0 retainers so I never made any in 2.0

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Gathering classes were fun cause they each had a little minigame to get resources, which was another fun idea and actually made gathering slightly less boring. Crafting on the other hand was a shitshow. It also had a minigame but that shit was basically just random :lol

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Also you needed a good PC to play it, cause it was legit impossible on low settings (pics below). There was no way this game was ever going to run on a PS3.

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But it was a fun game (that was a lot like a jank XI part 2 rather than what ARR is now) and actually being there for the end of the world as the moon crashed into the planet and the empire invaded...and then the game kicked into a cutscene as everything was killed off. Very cool

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I enjoyed what I played of it and it helped that the game was free for most of its life but 2.0 is a such a vast improvement cause I was able to actually get my friends to play it with me. :lol

Also sorry for all these words about a dead game that no one liked lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 11, 2016, 11:45:08 AM
I always enjoy reading about 1.0. I only ever played alpha / beta and almost immediately noped out because it was an unplayable mess, but I wish I'd come back to see the wild ass endgame stuff play out.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on December 11, 2016, 04:01:05 PM
i should have specified, there was loading but it was more of a "longer, less often loads" rather than how 2.0 is more split up. each larger zone was one big area that was just copy/pasted over and over again so you didn't have to load except going between larger areas. the copy/pastes would be like...half to a quarter of a 2.0 sub-zone just repeated over and over so you'd walk around and say "there's that same rock formation again, up next is the weird looking tree and a spiral area to walk up". but then every cutscene was a load to get in and out, each quest was a load, and going to areas like the market ward was a load. market ward loads sucked cause each retainer was unique since the gear they were selling they also wore.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 11, 2016, 10:50:42 PM
QUEEN LOG IN
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Rufus on December 12, 2016, 09:55:31 AM
A look at 1.0s problems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ9CmxaQ3q8
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Rufus on December 12, 2016, 11:14:54 AM
Edit: I'll watch the vid you posted later Rufus, on mobile.
You'll want to skip straight to 7:30 anyway. :doge

The guy who made it is trying a little too hard. It's really not a good video at all. :doge
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Tasty on December 12, 2016, 11:35:48 AM
A look at 1.0s problems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ9CmxaQ3q8

Oh my fuck is this guy's voice and presentation annoying
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Rufus on December 12, 2016, 11:55:11 AM
I'm sorry. :stahp
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 12, 2016, 12:11:49 PM
Also I wouldn't mind making a Hyperion alt if other Borians are going to be on.

HEAR THAT GUYS? GREAT TIME TO SIGN UP, RIGHT NOW

TWO WEEKS FREE WITH THE DEMO AVAILABLE NOW ON PS4 AND STEAM 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 15, 2016, 11:15:16 PM
Will post here since I like Queen's thread and the other one will probably die out eventually.

(bebpo's first totally lost & confused MMO journal):

So I played a little more, got up to lvl.12 and did LEVEES quests.  So like, battle levees seem just like normal quests?  Go here and kill a few monsters and a paragraph of text story behind it.  Took the starting 4-5 and did them and was ok.  Only thing interesting beyond that was you can +1-? the levels of the enemy to get more challenge and xp.  I can usually take on about 3 levels higher enemy at the start with my lvl.10 gear + like 3 actual attack skills. 

Then I tried GUILDEEVES aka, PvE DEATHMATCH MODE.  Teleport to a small arena with 3 other people at your level and kill a bunch of enemies together.  This was kinda fun, mainly because it was the first time I've fought together with other people and honestly 1 on 1 rpg battles are so fucking boring.  I hit them, they hit me, I hit them, they hit me, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz; A group smashing on an enemy is a lot more fun!  My only thought here is that because it's so easy, it's literally warp to this screen and go smash a bunch of enemies brainlessly PRESS WIN BUTTON get some xp/loot.  The solo quests have been brain dead easy so far too.

I think I'll like the combat more when it gets challenging and you gotta use your brains and skills/equip to survive.  Equip-wise there's not much choice at ~lvl.10.  There's soldier clothes/magic clothes and like 1 sword that's a lvl.7 viking sword for sword classes.  Combat-wise, my gladiator dude has the most boring movelist ever.  I go fast attack -> strong attack combo, fast attack -> other strong attack combo, fast attack -> strong attack combo.  AND THAT IS ALL I CAN DO  :'(  I mean at the start, yeah I buff atk/def and I got this move that I guess pulls enemies to me which is good in a party, but for 99% of the battle I stand in front of the enemy and go fast attack -> strong attack, fast attack -> strong attack.  Basically the most boring combat I've ever played in an rpg.  Even FF1 was better at the start!  Can I do a gladiator/mage combo so at least I can juggle some cool magic along with my fast attack->strong attack?

I've been pulling up the recommendations and seeing the quests it's telling me.  I do anything with a +, like I just visited the housing district but the quest was literally "go to the entrance of the housing district, say "hi", leave and report back" so that quest did ZERO to tell me what this whole Goblet place is even about other than that it exists.  One day maybe I'll look into it.  Right now I don't have any other + quests so I'm just gonna do some more MSQs. 

I saw everything was now CHRISTMAS!  Which was totally cool.  The main x-mas quest seems like it's lvl.15, so I'm gonna try to get up to lvl.15 so I can do it and see the quality of the special event type quests.

At some point can I ride a chocobo and control it?  Because right now I can just have it auto-ride between places.  Also I guess I should be a gardner or something because I like the sound of discovering treasure maps and finding some fucking chests because goddamn I love chests in rpgs and I'm sad I have not seen a chest in FFXIV :(  Also can't wait to get to an actual dungeon!  It's weird being like 5 hours in and not having seen a dungeon yet.  I can imagine playing with a party, kinda like the guildeeves and going through a dungeon together whomping shit would be a lot of fun.  How do parties even work if everyone is different levels, the level differences are so huge, like if I play with some of you guys who are 20 levels higher, I can't imagine we can do a dungeon together since if it's at my level you'll just 1 hit kill all the enemies, and if it's at your level I won't be able to even hit the enemies?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 15, 2016, 11:46:00 PM
-battle leves fucking suck. they're boring and they give shit exp. just do fates instead if you're trying to level a fighting class. save your leve allowances for crafting/gathering classes

-guildleves are with doing at least once. each one teaches you mechanics that you'll use against bosses later.

-you get a chocobo at around level 20.just keep doing story quests till you get to it.

-each dungeon has a cap that your stats will be brought down to if you're high level. you also can only use skills up to whatever level the dungeon is (like level 20 skills in a level 20 dungeon). after a dungeon has been out for a few months they give you the option of playing it without the cap, provided you assemble your own party.

edit: i typed all this shit so I'm posting it dammit
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 16, 2016, 01:08:19 AM
I need help.  I got to lvl.15 and doing this lvl.14 MSQ where I fight a bunch of badguy dudes including a lvl.20 boss who summons a voidmonster guy.  I beat these guys and then my allies leave and I have a 1 on 1 fight with a lvl.16 masked dude who summons a lvl.15 gargoyle and they're both wailing on me and as a gladiator I can only buff a little and they're doing decent damage on me per hit and I can't do anything besides use a potion once every minute or two when the cooldown runs out but they do too much damage and kill me between potions.  I'm wearing full lvl.15 equipment so my defense stats basically doubled when I hit lvl.15, but I dunno, it feels like I need a healer or something backing me up in this fight?

Also I dunno how to do jobs/classes yet.  At lvl.15 it said I can move to my 2nd class or something, but I don't know how.  Also there's all these guilds, should I join one?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 16, 2016, 01:33:11 AM
Your equipped weapon determines your class. Sword and Board for GLD. 2H Axe for MRD, etc.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on December 16, 2016, 01:45:42 AM
I need help.  I got to lvl.15 and doing this lvl.14 MSQ where I fight a bunch of badguy dudes including a lvl.20 boss who summons a voidmonster guy.  I beat these guys and then my allies leave and I have a 1 on 1 fight with a lvl.16 masked dude who summons a lvl.15 gargoyle and they're both wailing on me and as a gladiator I can only buff a little and they're doing decent damage on me per hit and I can't do anything besides use a potion once every minute or two when the cooldown runs out but they do too much damage and kill me between potions.  I'm wearing full lvl.15 equipment so my defense stats basically doubled when I hit lvl.15, but I dunno, it feels like I need a healer or something backing me up in this fight?

Also I dunno how to do jobs/classes yet.  At lvl.15 it said I can move to my 2nd class or something, but I don't know how.  Also there's all these guilds, should I join one?
Do some leves and stuff to level up to 16 or 17, it should make a difference with that quest. And as far as I remember, the NPCs will come and help you after a while (I think when the Gargoyle is at 20% HP), so you'll just have to stay alive with the Antidote and Hi-Potions. You could also just level a Conjurer to 2 (all classes go on the same char) to get the healing skill Cure (or 8 for Protect too).

To level another class, just visit their Guild. The Conjurer is in Gridania. Then you simply just switch main weapon as mentioned above, between the classes to switch as you'd like. You can save gear builds from the character profile to make it faster/easier.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 16, 2016, 03:36:23 AM
Thanks Bu, yeah after I read your post I went back and my problem was the first time I accidently aggro'd both and they killed me.  The second time I stayed the fuck away from the mage and just fought the gargoyle and then the NPC came in and it was no problem.

So after discovering CLASS CHANGING omg, I'm having a ton of fun.  I didn't realize MMOs were Diablo-like where you run multiple characters via jobs but you have one pool of equipment and so each time you start a new job at lvl.1 you're a badass level 1 and leveling goes much faster.  Also quest jobs are cool!  It's fun doing the stories of them.  I got Gladiator to lvl.16 and then switched to a Therm~~~ aka black mage and got that to lvl.6.  Was a lot of fun shooting fireballs and ice after all those hours just smacking things boringly with Gladiator.  Being able to instant change jobs just from the equip screen + auto-equip best equipment is GREAT and now I want to level all the classes and I'm hooked.

Also!  Now I see the point of allllll these tons of low level city quests!  And Battleleeves!  I get it now.  When you do other jobs from lvl.1 it's not like the old quests come back, so as you do multiple jobs you end up completing most of these small quests in the world and learning more about the world along your multiple job runs.  Battleleeves are kinda fun at the start with a new job too with +4-5 levels; shit is scary intense & challenging with some ok rewards since you don't need much xp to level early on.

Then I did the christmas lvl.15 quests in the city and at first they were dumb and simple, but then they started having a plotline and it was kinda neat!  But I'm stuck at the 3rd quest in the questline, I need to go to one of the other starting cities to talk to an NPC, but uh, even though the quest was lvl.15, I don't think I am able to leave the starting city area yet?  I tried going to the docks and they only take me to other docks in the area.  I'm guessing to travel between mini-world maps you have to use the airships, right?  And I went to the airship place to buy a ticket to the Loma place but they said I need an airship pass.  How do I get an airship pass?  Is that a story thing where I need to get further in?  Cause I gotta get an airship pass before this xmas quest disappears so I can finish it!

Also, Queen of Ice, what's your character name?  I need to add more Bore people to my friendlist.  All night long I was playing and the two people in my friend list (213372bu & Postive Touch) weren't online so I was just playing solo all night.  I think I might be part of some sort of Bore chat thing that Postive Touch added me to on the first night but I can't seem to figure out how to access it; I just see random people talking in green in my chat occasionally.  For now, I just want to add everyone to my friendslist so if you're playing when I'm playing I can join you.  My character is Dequillo Ternathem.

Oh and what's the closest equivalent to a glass cannon class/job?  Because that's the kind of stuff I like to play as, super high damage output, but can die real quick so gotta go with skill & luck.

Anyhow, probably not gonna play much for a week or so unless I see boreans online in which I'll join in.  Played like 8-9 hours in 2 days.  Shit is addictive.  Need to finish up P5, but will come back and put a ton of hours into this most likely after I do.  After tonight's session and the game opening up and getting more fun I definitely feel like this could be my first MMO I actually play through the main scenario from start to finish (and then if I'm liking it I'll probably join in on the expansions after).  How do they work it if you're a marathon gamer and you clear the whole game + heavensword expansion in a month or two and then you don't want to play the game anymore, but you'll come back for the next expansion?  If you cancel your account after you're done until the next expansion do they delete your character or anything aka forcing you to keep paying $15/month between expansions just to keep your character so you can jump back in for the next expansion?  Or is it cool if you cancel after you beat the main scenario for each expansion and then resign on each time there's a new one aka playing it like a single player game.

Couple of other thoughts,
-The uh, lack of any sort of character emotion to the PC in cutscenes is fucking hilarious.  It's like people talk to your character and your PC has this dead stare to infinity all the time.  Like they couldn't have scripted some facial reactions for cutscenes?  I mean there are a ton of emotes you can manually trigger.  It just sorta screams budget, especially combined with the lack of VA, minimal cutscene direction, minimal cutscene animation.  I mean it's not like there are that many real cutscene events as is (so far I've seen like 3 quests with real cutscenes out of like 30-50 quests).  I read the recent interview with Yoshi-P where he said advice on making your game not suck "can't focus too much on high quality graphics" which I agree with, but I think there's a middleground where your PC can still smile or laugh or have some reaction along with the other characters so it doesn't seem like they totally stick out as not being part of the cutscene.  Maybe I just notice it more because I'm playing as a 10 foot tall caveman who just stares off into the distance when little people talk to him.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 16, 2016, 08:04:46 AM
Been a while, but pretty sure my character model has facial expressions in Heavensward content. It isn't like single player level stuff though.

And you can unsubscribe and resub without worry. No deletes.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 16, 2016, 09:07:41 AM
after that fight you're allllmost at the part where you unlock airship travel.

you're character will start interacting more in cutscenes, but mostly tends to just nod lol. the cutscenes get better the further you get into the game, although they never look as fancy as most modern games tho. the next expansion supposedly has a much bigger budget, so maybe they'll put some more money into them then.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on December 16, 2016, 10:22:57 AM
I always skip the cutscenes.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 16, 2016, 10:32:18 AM
:/ :/ :/
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2016, 10:42:13 AM
My name is in the LS. Will message you when I see you online. Level 7 (or 8?) now. Is Bebpo just doing MSQ?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 16, 2016, 11:27:49 AM
My name is in the LS. Will message you when I see you online. Level 7 (or 8?) now. Is Bebpo just doing MSQ?

Mostly MSQ, but some little quests, more now with my 2nd class, some leeves, and class quests.  Like I said I've probably played 8-9 hours so far in two nights.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2016, 11:33:21 AM
what are leevees? Fates?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on December 16, 2016, 12:42:30 PM
Leves are repeatable quests you get from a city or company levemete. You have a leve allowance that increases everyday to limit the number you can take. There's battlecraft leves which are basically hunt for a smidgen of XP (not worth it), fieldcraft leves to level gathering, and tradecraft leves to level crafting (both a good way to level a profession).

http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Guildleve
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 16, 2016, 12:53:44 PM
always make sure you do class quests as soon as they're available bc they give you new abilities and gear
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 16, 2016, 04:39:29 PM
What the hell is enmity in the context of XIV's stats?  I'm assuming it just means aggro?  As you increase aggro does anything happen with an enemy besides getting their attention?  Like does their defense drop or anything?  Because like Gladiator has a strong attack that adds enmity, and then a stronger attack that replenishes mp and there's like no reason to ever use the weaker of the two strong attacks since he also has flash to get the attention of all enemies.

And yeah, after faq-ing for a bit I think I'm gonna turn this GLD into a Warrior build, and then run a Mage/Dragoon on the side.  Monk sounds the closest to glass cannon build that I want, but it also sounds kinda a pain in the butt to use.

I am strongly thinking about leveling every class in the game to lvl.5 right away, that way I can try them all out and get a feel for what I like.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 16, 2016, 04:48:03 PM
enmity is aggro, yes. the whole point of being a tank in a party is to piss of all the enemies so they don't go after your allies, so your whole strategy should revolve around generating as much enmity as possible.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 16, 2016, 04:57:59 PM
enmity is aggro, yes. the whole point of being a tank in a party is to piss of all the enemies so they don't go after your allies, so your whole strategy should revolve around generating as much enmity as possible.

Yeah, but if you have a move that generates it against all enemies, why would you care about using a weaker attack that only keeps adding it to a single enemy?  Like do stronger enemies unaggro pretty quickly so you have to keep hitting them with enmity?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 16, 2016, 05:02:28 PM
i don't know. I tanked a dungeon one single time and sucked at it. my team was dicks and it was traumatizing and I never did it again. fuck tanking
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 16, 2016, 05:05:01 PM
oh wait I do know that yes you do need to constantly increase enmity bc others can definitely peel enemies off you. I play a black mage, who hit the hardest of any class, and I can easily pull enemies from a tank who doesn't know what he's doing.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 16, 2016, 06:39:02 PM
i don't know. I tanked a dungeon one single time and sucked at it. my team was dicks and it was traumatizing and I never did it again. fuck tanking

 :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 16, 2016, 09:13:46 PM
was gonna play this all night, but I went to plug in some Christmas lights and shorted out my whole damn living room. life is a bitch
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 16, 2016, 10:26:17 PM
was gonna play this all night, but I went to plug in some Christmas lights and shorted out my whole damn living room. life is a bitch

:(

Got the airship pass, checked out the other locations.  Gridania is pretty nice looking.  Took a look at the job faqs to see what I need to level, I'm thinking I want to role a Warrior, a Ninja, a Black Mage and a Dragoon which means a lot of classes.  I'm lvl.17 now in my Gladiator but it seems like there's no point in taking Gladiator past lvl.15 unless you want to go full Paladin which for mostly solo play seems like a boring idea.  So I think I'll switch to a class I want to take to lvl.30 before I advance the main story any further.

Finished up the x-mas quests in the desert city.  Was nice.  I really like all the x-mas decorations in the various cities.  Really adds a lot.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 17, 2016, 03:57:04 AM
Did my first dungeon.  Couldn't figure out how to party chat (why is my chat always filled with green [NOVICE] people talking wtffffff), but I guess when you're the tank leader you don't have to talk, just get the enemy's attention and keep it on you while smacking.

I don't understand how the chests work?  Need/Greed/Pass.  Does only 1 person in your party get the item?  Cause that's pretty lame. 
I still have a hard time with the game's lock-on system.  Disengaging one enemy and engaging another feels problematic a lot.  Like if I'm auto-attacking the wrong enemy and I use left on the d-pad to target the enemy I actually want to hit, he'll hit them once and then go back to auto-attacking the wrong enemy.  -_-

I did lvl.1-4 with Maurader & Rogue.  I fucking love Rogue class.  It's exactly what I wanted the combat to be and the opposite of slow zzz Gladiator.  Attacks are fast and skills refresh much quicker and you take way more damage.  I think I'm going to go Rogue -> 30, Pugilist -> 15 and do a Ninja build cause FF Ninja's have always been pretty cool whether it's FF6 or FFT.  I think I'll focus on that as my main story run, and then after I'll roll a Black Mage & maybe push my Gladiator/Marauder up to Paladin (zzz) or Warrior.  I'm already at lvl.18 now with Gladiator so might as well keep it around.

I don't get non-combat jobs at all  ??? Like I thought they'd be a sub-class you can do within your main class, not a real regular drop your stats/equip to 1 kinda thing.  I tried the goldsmith crafting job where you sit and tap rocks and build junk that's way less useful than what you can just buy and you have to buy the materials for it anyways so why not just buy it.  What's the point of doing of leveling all these non-combat jobs?  There's a ton of them.  Are any of them fun or useful support classes to help you out on your main class? 

Is the Golden Saucer part of Heavensword or do you eventually unlock it doing story quests? 

I do like that there's a million quests in the game.  I don't like that most of them are "go and kill x amount of a couple enemies" or just go talk to a couple of people and come back.  I guess that's the basis of MMOs though. 

Oh and whenever I do anything with a party it always starts out saying LIGHT PARTY.  What does that mean?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 17, 2016, 09:24:50 AM
-to switch chat types, click the left side of the TouchPad then hit left on the dpad to highlight that bubble with a chat icon. click on that to select different chat channels. choose "party". the novice messages appear bc you're in the novice chat. you're considered a novice til you beat the 2.0 story or play like 160 hours iirc

-yep you draw for chests. choose need if you really want it, greed if you kinda do (you can't roll need if it's gear for a class that's different for what you are at the time), and pass if you want to roll a zero. it's not that hard to win stuff, and most people will pass on 2.x stuff anyway since it's useless to them

-to lock on double tap x. the arrow above an enemy will now have a circle above it, meaning your character will auto attack them. you can also press... l3? r3? to lock the camera on to the enemy. use left and right on the dpad to cycle thru targets. you can change what type of targets will be highlighted in the configuration menu. it's still kinda odd a pain to get the right target sometimes bc the game will highlight the enemy closest to the screen a lot instead of picking words directly in front of your character.

-crafting jobs let you make some cool stuff when you get to high levels. gear, items, clothes, housing stuff, etc. the material are cheap at low levels but get expensive once you get to the 20s or 30s. most of the materials from them on are only available by getting them with gatherer classes. none of this is essential, but some people (like me) find it a fun alternative to combat.

golden sauce is available pretty early iirc. look around the area of uldah that's kind of near the big aethernet crystal. I think there's some smug looking npc surrounded by servants that are trying to carry a ton of boxes. he should give you the quest that lets you travel to the gold saucer.

-yep most of the artists are like that. the downside to having every single thing in the world be instanced

-light party is 4 players, full party is 8 players
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on December 17, 2016, 09:33:34 AM
Have gotten way more straightforward and useful info here than from guides, and friends who have "played the game for years, ask me anything".

PT is the hero we don't deserve.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 17, 2016, 09:38:18 AM
I'm just trying to bring the light back to Eorzea
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 17, 2016, 10:48:58 AM
Thanks PT!

So crafting/gathering jobs are mainly for high level to get good loot you can't just buy at the shop?  My only thing is that at first glance it seems like such an added grind.  First level these jobs for hours, then spend hours getting material, then spend hours crafting just to make some equipment that normally in other rpgs you can just find or buy.  I was hoping that side jobs would be more for more interesting stuff like the treasure maps you guys talked about versus just standard equipment. 

I think I'll skip the crafting jobs until I beat the main scenario and just stick to battle jobs.  Right now I feel like I should stick with my lvl.18 gladiator until I unlock the lvl.20 free company stuff and get my Chocobo.  Then get my Rogue up to the same level and continue the story with it.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 17, 2016, 11:57:15 AM
the endgame stuff you can buy from the market board (meaning it's sold by other players) will be very very expensive one you get to the "endgame" i.e. the content between ARR and HS.

crafting isn't something I'd do while going thru the story. it's more for when finish the storyline playthru phase and enter the addiction phase
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on December 18, 2016, 10:56:40 AM
Popped back in since there's 4 free days anyway. Downloading some patches then I'll get the Xmas stuff on my main and see if Hyperion is open. Guess I'll make an Au Ra since I've yet to that and they are cool. Dunno what job to work for though....might go back to BRD since my main is now MCH
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 18, 2016, 02:14:18 PM
Played a little more and got my Rogue to lvl.7 or 8.  Limsa Loma or whatever it's called is a way better starting city than Uldana or whatever that's called (I hate all the hundreds of weird names in this game, can't spell anything).  I mean the Thanalan city was fine and all, but this one is PIRATES and fuck that's way more interesting than standard rpg settings.  Rogue class quests are pretty cool too, pirate secret assassin's is like the best setup for a group.  Plus fighting as a Rogue you're spinning and slashing and jumping and it looks badass.  Since I did the first 12 hours of the game or so in Thanalan, I'm sticking to Pirate city while I get my rogue up to lvl.15 and then I'll spend some time in Gridania forest world.

I've gotten to the point where I think rather than sorta rushing by just doing the MSQs and marathoning the game, I like it better as kind of a side-game that I can pick up and play a couple hours every couple of nights and do a half-dozen/dozen quests and gain a couple levels.  I find myself talking to all the NPCs now and getting a feel of the land, taking on all the simple quests in the area that are at least near my level.  It's very relaxing. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: bluemax on December 18, 2016, 02:15:26 PM
How long does the free stuff last? I own the game but stopped when my 30 days was up. I'm also going out of town on Thursday.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on December 18, 2016, 02:46:35 PM
lasts til the end of the month, you get 4 days starting from your first login

also seems my old fc left the server lol. so i may move my main over to hyperion if i end up resubbing soon
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 18, 2016, 06:48:11 PM
join usssss
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 19, 2016, 04:17:15 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/DvSWqyW.jpg)

Had some fun tonight with my rogue.  The online queue times for the starting guildheists can get insane as a DPS.  Had to wait 25 mins+ to get into the second lvl.10 one.  Also I can see the problem when the community isn't that active.  Some of the FATEs that focus on a single big boss guy, if you're going in at or underleveled can be tough/unwinnable when no one else joins your FATE.  Tonight outside of running into one guy on a FATE, I went around to the various fields around Limsa Loma and all the fates were at 0%.  Didn't see like anyone outside of town.  Is the game usually this dead?  I figured the christmas event stuff + free 96 hours would make it more active than usual right now.  A little worried that the game is gonna be a little more rough with a small community.

Couple more questions:

1.  Everyone says don't waste Leeves on battle leeve quests.  But in the sub-lvl.15 2nd job range (aka no MSQs) I'm finding their the quickest way to level between class quests if you do them at +4 and quick.  Like I just did the lvl.10 class quest, did the two lvl.10 guildheists, and did the quests up through around lvl.10 in the around.  So right now between lvl.12-15 there's nothing really besides a couple of quests, hitting up Fates and leeves.  I can see later on after lvl.15 when there's more options, there's probably other ways to level, but they seem very useful for leveling in the sub 15 stage (maybe even sub 20 stage).  Lemme know if I'm missing something here.

2.  I checked the auction prices and WHAT THE FUCK.  Low level equipment, like lvl.5 hats or something are going for $10,000gil when I can buy this stuff for like 300 gil from a merchant.  Everything seems insanely expensive.  I only have like $8,000gil right now and I need it for teleporting around while I'm questing!  I guess this is how MMO economies work?  Everything is inflated?  Makes it seem like I won't be using the auctions to buy anything any time soon.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on December 19, 2016, 09:48:33 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/DvSWqyW.jpg)

Had some fun tonight with my rogue.  The online queue times for the starting guildheists can get insane as a DPS.  Had to wait 25 mins+ to get into the second lvl.10 one.  Also I can see the problem when the community isn't that active.  Some of the FATEs that focus on a single big boss guy, if you're going in at or underleveled can be tough/unwinnable when no one else joins your FATE.  Tonight outside of running into one guy on a FATE, I went around to the various fields around Limsa Loma and all the fates were at 0%.  Didn't see like anyone outside of town.  Is the game usually this dead?  I figured the christmas event stuff + free 96 hours would make it more active than usual right now.  A little worried that the game is gonna be a little more rough with a small community.

Couple more questions:

1.  Everyone says don't waste Leeves on battle leeve quests.  But in the sub-lvl.15 2nd job range (aka no MSQs) I'm finding their the quickest way to level between class quests if you do them at +4 and quick.  Like I just did the lvl.10 class quest, did the two lvl.10 guildheists, and did the quests up through around lvl.10 in the around.  So right now between lvl.12-15 there's nothing really besides a couple of quests, hitting up Fates and leeves.  I can see later on after lvl.15 when there's more options, there's probably other ways to level, but they seem very useful for leveling in the sub 15 stage (maybe even sub 20 stage).  Lemme know if I'm missing something here.

2.  I checked the auction prices and WHAT THE FUCK.  Low level equipment, like lvl.5 hats or something are going for $10,000gil when I can buy this stuff for like 300 gil from a merchant.  Everything seems insanely expensive.  I only have like $8,000gil right now and I need it for teleporting around while I'm questing!  I guess this is how MMO economies work?  Everything is inflated?  Makes it seem like I won't be using the auctions to buy anything any time soon.


Pro tip:  Go into your emotes menu.  You should see a checkbox labeled "Show emotes in chat log" or something like that.  UNCHECK THAT!  Everyone on your server will thank you.  I love spamming emotes (Male Roegadyn has some fun ones), but if you don't uncheck that, everyone within /say range of you will have your emotes clutter up their chat logs.

Love this game.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 19, 2016, 10:52:54 AM
fates have been kind of empty lately. you can usually get a group going on ones above 30 though. your alt classes level up faster depending on how high your highest level class is, so early levels go by pretty for long term players. prolly why those fates don't always get attention 

some suggestions: get a chocobo. they can fight with you which is especially useful for those boss fates. you could also use the party finder to set up a low level fate running group.

dps queue times are notoriously bad. has less to do with server population and more to do with how many people play as them. tanks and healers have near instant queue times but dps will take 15 to 25 minutes usually. makes sure you change the options to queue up with players of all languages to cut down on wait time.

i dunno why market board prices are so high, but I figure it's prolly laziness. you'll make a lot of gil as you play through the game, but if you're in need just hmu and I can give you some.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 19, 2016, 12:38:20 PM
How do you change queue to all languages?

I don't really need any equipment, I was just looking to get more variety of hats to change things up so I just looked at like the cheapest low level stuff.

Yeah, chocobo sounds good, especially if it's a healer.  Also looking forward to it because the game is kinda bad at putting teleport points everywhere so I'm getting kinda tired of sprinting across the overworld.

Also, I read some wiki pages and it looks like hunting logs are a major xp source for 1-15.  I need to start doing those.  Also there's some +30% xp bracelet for finishing the novice hall tutorials, so I should go do those.  And yeah I read about the lower class +100% bonus and resting bonus.  This should all make low level grind go much quicker for me.

(http://i.imgur.com/DvSWqyW.jpg)

Had some fun tonight with my rogue.  The online queue times for the starting guildheists can get insane as a DPS.  Had to wait 25 mins+ to get into the second lvl.10 one.  Also I can see the problem when the community isn't that active.  Some of the FATEs that focus on a single big boss guy, if you're going in at or underleveled can be tough/unwinnable when no one else joins your FATE.  Tonight outside of running into one guy on a FATE, I went around to the various fields around Limsa Loma and all the fates were at 0%.  Didn't see like anyone outside of town.  Is the game usually this dead?  I figured the christmas event stuff + free 96 hours would make it more active than usual right now.  A little worried that the game is gonna be a little more rough with a small community.

Couple more questions:

1.  Everyone says don't waste Leeves on battle leeve quests.  But in the sub-lvl.15 2nd job range (aka no MSQs) I'm finding their the quickest way to level between class quests if you do them at +4 and quick.  Like I just did the lvl.10 class quest, did the two lvl.10 guildheists, and did the quests up through around lvl.10 in the around.  So right now between lvl.12-15 there's nothing really besides a couple of quests, hitting up Fates and leeves.  I can see later on after lvl.15 when there's more options, there's probably other ways to level, but they seem very useful for leveling in the sub 15 stage (maybe even sub 20 stage).  Lemme know if I'm missing something here.

2.  I checked the auction prices and WHAT THE FUCK.  Low level equipment, like lvl.5 hats or something are going for $10,000gil when I can buy this stuff for like 300 gil from a merchant.  Everything seems insanely expensive.  I only have like $8,000gil right now and I need it for teleporting around while I'm questing!  I guess this is how MMO economies work?  Everything is inflated?  Makes it seem like I won't be using the auctions to buy anything any time soon.


Pro tip:  Go into your emotes menu.  You should see a checkbox labeled "Show emotes in chat log" or something like that.  UNCHECK THAT!  Everyone on your server will thank you.  I love spamming emotes (Male Roegadyn has some fun ones), but if you don't uncheck that, everyone within /say range of you will have your emotes clutter up their chat logs.

Love this game.

Thanks, will do!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 19, 2016, 08:48:34 PM
Anyone going to play tonight?  I'm so stressed out from work I need to relax when I get home so probably going play some FFXIV for a few hours after 8pm PST.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 19, 2016, 08:56:22 PM
I'm playing some ff15 but I'll log in if I can
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on December 20, 2016, 12:49:48 AM
yep, game is still fun. swapped back to bard though, wasn't feeling mach at all. just not for me. but now i have to start back over at L50 :gloomy

either way i think i should wait until i finish ffxv before i resub otherwise i'll never finish it :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 20, 2016, 04:06:13 AM
Got my Rogue to lvl.19!  Cleared the rank 1 & 2 hunting which helped, also did the hall of novice DPS training which was actually pretty fun and got me good loot including +30% xp ring.  Did a bunch of quests through Limsa Londa and the lvl.15 class quests for Rogue and the lvl.15 guildheists.  Now that I've outleveled my Gladiator and done most of the stuff through lvl.15 questing, it's time to get back to the story which takes me to Gridania.  Will be checking out that map next time as I get towards my chocobo and army guild thing.

Combat is more fun now.  The DPS training actually showed me that combat will eventually get interesting.  See up through lvl.15-20 stuff, all the enemies engage you like 1 at a time most of the time and one enemy will do an AoE attack and you just walk around him in a circle and it's like this is jokingly easy how can anyone ever get hit by these attacks.  But in DPS training it was showing that there will be situations with multiple enemies engaging you doing multiple AoE spells/attacks with huge radiuses at a time so you gotta be constantly moving around to dodge stuff which is fun.  Also the party combat is a lot more fun than 1 on 1.

Got some minions, neat but they don't attack right?  They're just for visuals?  I accidentally discovered that there are cross job skills which is cool, but so far it mainly seems like buffs are the only thing I'm getting from other classes.  Not getting any great attacks are anything so far.  But I can buff DEF pretty well with Rogue, and it's got a few different good attacks and I really like Mutilate DoT and that I can back off from AoE attacks and throw daggers from ranged.  Pretty fun class.

So I was looking through some high level merchants list and I noticed the Ninja weapons are just the Rogue weapons.  Are you going to tell me that playing as a badass ninja I'm not going to be able to use a cool ninja sword and I have to use...daggers?  Because that is incredibly disappointing if so!  I wanted to go around with like Masamune samurai swords while stealthing and jumping down and stabbing dudes Tenchu style which is why I'm doing Rogue -> Thief (although I gotta do Pugilist 1-15 after I hit lvl.30 Rogue to get it).

Also, huge huge annoying thing.  I fucking HATE this Novice chat log that you can't turn off.  Tonight while going around the log was filled with nothing but 13 year old brats going Heil Trump!  And talking about bombing the middle east and all kinds of annoying troll shit.  So I set the window to battle events only but then I couldn't see stuff like hunting log updates.  It's really lame you can't turn novice off.  When you hit lvl.40 with your main and it shuts off, does it turn back on whenever you change to a class under 40 again?

My char:  Look at this sexy motherfucker!

(http://i.imgur.com/xB64DZl.jpg)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on December 20, 2016, 04:44:51 AM
What classes are you guys playing, and do you enjoy it?

I have a PLD but fuuuuuck being a tank, especially after 1 year of absence and jumping back into it without remembering how to play tank.
Usually I love tanking, but in FFXIV, it's not for me. Any DPS class recommendation? Either ranged or melee is fine with me. MNK?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 20, 2016, 10:54:18 AM
you can configure what shows up in your chat log. i assume you can also turn off novice chat there too.

i play as a blm which is fun but not for everyone. you can't move much and the level 60 combo is ridiculously complex, but once you get good you can burn the shit out of ANYTHING.

butt, nachobro, mamacint, what are your in-game names?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: demi on December 20, 2016, 11:32:18 AM
FF14 & Heavensward PS4 codes on Amazon

FF14 $15 - http://amzn.to/2hPXVp6

Heavensward $10 - http://amzn.to/2hQ898O
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 20, 2016, 11:49:55 AM
buy it demi

join us
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: demi on December 20, 2016, 11:59:44 AM
Drop the sub requirement and I would
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on December 20, 2016, 12:10:25 PM
they should let you pay for a sub with gil, but that won't ever happen. basically the only reason i go back to wow as often as i do is being able to buy a sub for gold.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 20, 2016, 12:31:06 PM
Drop the sub requirement and I would

it's only $12 a month you dirty poor scum
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: demi on December 20, 2016, 01:07:08 PM
But I can play Destiny for $0 a month so idk man hard bargain
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 20, 2016, 01:20:35 PM
destiny has like 3 hours of content after you factor in all the expansions. ff14 will take like 150 just for the main story.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: demi on December 20, 2016, 01:21:19 PM
Too much investment, sorry. It's why I dont play MMOs period. Its either FF14 or {{backlog}}
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 20, 2016, 01:31:03 PM
I like how I play this so casually. I'm almost level 10 and I feel like I don't have to put all encompassing effort into playing this like I did with other mmo's.

I remember when I played WoW, it took me something like 50 or 100 hours to get to level 20? I don't remember but it was a lot of hours and I fondly remember getting my first mount after x hours play, but I'll probably be level 20 in this pretty quick with zero commitment.

Really like the story too.

When you realize that you should be doing the MSQ instead of the small time ! quests, things are a lot more fun. I did the magicked blade quest yesterday which I already did during my first trial. Voice acting in an MMO still blows my mind.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: studyguy on December 20, 2016, 01:33:15 PM
Been playing since 1.0 Alpha.
Haven't stopped since.
Went to the fanfest in Vegas.

I felt sort of out of place since the crew I went with didn't want to go out to get fucking smashed after each day but you know whatever. It's fun enough to stop me from buying more video games.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 20, 2016, 02:17:25 PM
i keep a subscription and I work on my backlog bc I'm a winner
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 20, 2016, 10:11:19 PM
I like how I play this so casually. I'm almost level 10 and I feel like I don't have to put all encompassing effort into playing this like I did with other mmo's.

I remember when I played WoW, it took me something like 50 or 100 hours to get to level 20? I don't remember but it was a lot of hours and I fondly remember getting my first mount after x hours play, but I'll probably be level 20 in this pretty quick with zero commitment.

Really like the story too.

When you realize that you should be doing the MSQ instead of the small time ! quests, things are a lot more fun. I did the magicked blade quest yesterday which I already did during my first trial. Voice acting in an MMO still blows my mind.

On one hand, that's cool because yeah that's how I see it too.  Otoh I wish you played more because I want to do some team stuff with you all.  Outside one night when Bu~~~~ and Positive Touch were on, I haven't seen anyone the whole 20+ hours I've played so far.  So just been running around solo and random stranger dungeons/guildheists.  Would be nice to see some people online sometime and join up.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 20, 2016, 10:12:30 PM
Every time I go on you're not there
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 20, 2016, 10:15:04 PM
I've been on almost every night after 8pm!  Except for like Saturday and maybe Sunday night I think though I did play some on the weekend.  I'm thinking about finishing P5 tonight (at final final final boss last save), but if you want to play I'll play FFXIV tonight instead!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 20, 2016, 10:18:43 PM
Gonna grab some water and go on for a bit, if you go online look for me :)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 20, 2016, 10:50:31 PM
you can configure what shows up in your chat log. i assume you can also turn off novice chat there too.

i play as a blm which is fun but not for everyone. you can't move much and the level 60 combo is ridiculously complex, but once you get good you can burn the shit out of ANYTHING.

butt, nachobro, mamacint, what are your in-game names?

Are you guys permanently on Hyperion?

I got caught up with work shit the past week I haven't even touched a controller since whenever I last posted in this thread. Don't think I'll get to it until this weekend (oh shit Xmas)

Was actually thinking of buying it anyways since it's on sale on PSN this week but it's telling me that I both own and don't own the base game. Can't buy Heavensword either. Don't know if it's a trial D/L bug.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 20, 2016, 10:51:42 PM
yup forever on hyperion
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 20, 2016, 10:53:11 PM
Do you play with just a controller?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 20, 2016, 11:04:59 PM
Did hunting log rank 1 with my thermaturge to kill time waiting to see if anyone joins.  Got to lvl 9 so I'm right around your range queen if you wanna play.

Gonna go start a Puglist now at lvl.1 since I need to get to 15 for my ninja job.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 20, 2016, 11:09:01 PM
controller and a usb keyboard is best

I'm trying to get out of bed to come play but I don't know if I'm gonna be successful
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 20, 2016, 11:16:14 PM
I'm at the movies Bebpo. No ff14 for me tonight
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on December 20, 2016, 11:23:00 PM
I like how I play this so casually. I'm almost level 10 and I feel like I don't have to put all encompassing effort into playing this like I did with other mmo's.

I remember when I played WoW, it took me something like 50 or 100 hours to get to level 20? I don't remember but it was a lot of hours and I fondly remember getting my first mount after x hours play, but I'll probably be level 20 in this pretty quick with zero commitment.

Really like the story too.

When you realize that you should be doing the MSQ instead of the small time ! quests, things are a lot more fun. I did the magicked blade quest yesterday which I already did during my first trial. Voice acting in an MMO still blows my mind.
It's definitely more fun and enjoyable to level in FFXIV, but the level-time issue in WoW has gotten waaaay better than it used to be. I returned after years, and even the last levels 100-110 are not bad at all. Blizzard in general has gotten a lot more casual time friendly with many main features and such. Not too easy, but not too hard. (If you ignore the whole boost situation in D3, although everything is end-game focused there anyway.)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 20, 2016, 11:30:14 PM
Ok, another night then.

So in the time between my last post and this post I started a Pugilist and got halfway through lvl.5 just by doing the first class quest and hunting log enemies around the starting areas.  Probably took 15 mins.  I figure doing the lvl.5 class quest + the rest of rank 1 hunting log will get me to at least lvl.8 if not lvl.9 in another 15-25 mins and then do a battlelev or three and I'm at lvl.10.  Do lvl.10 class quest, rank 2 hunting log, lvl.10 guildheists and then I'm at level 15 no problem.

This is with the +100% xp armory bonus of using a lower-level 2nd class + 30% xp ring from finishing the hall of novice exercises. 

All told, it seems like if you know what you're doing you can go 1->15 in like 90 minutes, maybe 60 minutes, maybe closer to 2 hours.  That's...pretty good.  Definitely encourages me to try a ton of classes out and have more options for going into jobs.

It seems like if you know what job you want from the start, you can use MSQ to level your main class to 30 no problem, and then the above to get your second class to 15 in 1-2 hours and then you got your job.  Pretty quick and painless.  I imagine once you get your chocobo it goes even faster. 

Now I'm at a lvl.19 rogue, 18 gladiator, 9 thermaturge, 5 puglist, 4 marauder and lvl.5 maybe goldsmith.  I'm thinking I'll get my ninja job main, then have a warrior tank 2nd, and maybe do a white mage healer for 3rd job just to have one in each genre type?  How many classes/jobs fall into the healer type when queuing up for dungeons?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 20, 2016, 11:42:10 PM
conjurer/white mage, arcanist/summoner, and astrologan are healers
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on December 20, 2016, 11:46:39 PM
you can configure what shows up in your chat log. i assume you can also turn off novice chat there too.

i play as a blm which is fun but not for everyone. you can't move much and the level 60 combo is ridiculously complex, but once you get good you can burn the shit out of ANYTHING.

butt, nachobro, mamacint, what are your in-game names?
I'm on a Japanese server (Atomos) because of ~timezones~, so unless you're awake evenings JST, there would be no point in the going to Hyperion. :( It's 2pm here and I can't play now, got stuff to do. I'm on my phone actually.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on December 21, 2016, 11:21:11 AM
you can configure what shows up in your chat log. i assume you can also turn off novice chat there too.

i play as a blm which is fun but not for everyone. you can't move much and the level 60 combo is ridiculously complex, but once you get good you can burn the shit out of ANYTHING.

butt, nachobro, mamacint, what are your in-game names?
I'm Tacoface Delicioso but still on Excalibur for now. Once I finish FFXV this week I'll probably move over and relevel Bard to max. :)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 22, 2016, 12:53:56 AM
If you do go NIN Bebpo, make sure you level Lancer / DRG to 34 for Invigorate and Blood for Blood.

Plus, DRG's abilities just look really cool. You'll get DRG envy when you hit Heavensward anyway.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 22, 2016, 03:52:29 AM
Ok, so since I'm impatient and I have my starting Gladiator tank at around where my main Rogue is (I know this is not efficient since to get the +100% XP bonus your lower class needs to be 1 level or more below; so if you keep two classes constantly at the same level you end up leveling one twice as much as you need to), I'm playing as the Rogue for MSQs but anytime there is a dungeon or anything I need to queue I do that as my tank so I instantly get in instead of "ok, now wait for 30 minutes to get in for the next MSQ and you can't do any interesting cutscenes while you're in queue, and you can't change class and level your lower classes, so just go and whack some enemies and do some low xp quests for 30 minutes while you wait in queue"

But then I'm actually finding Gladiator tank a lot of fun in 4 person parties.  It's fun keeping enemies off of everyone and doing AoEs away from everyone.  Plus people appreciate that and it's nice to be appreciated  :-[  I'm also starting to get great loot in dungeons because no one wants to take the tank equip so I always get it.  I feel like tank class is super boring 1 on 1 in SP MSQs, but in a party it's a good class.  Rogue is a lot more fun 1 on 1 but DPS queues are lol

Also got my Pugilist to lvl.11 or 12.  Will definitely have it at 15 pretty soon, so once I hit 30 with my Rogue I can jump straight into Ninja.  Also got my Thermaturge to 10 so he can do some guildheists.

Got to the Golden Saucer.  Seems cool, will check it out next time I play.  But yeah, dungeons are a ton of fun and guildheists are kinda fun too.  I now see why MMOs are enjoyable, the group stuff with loot and teamwork and boss fights and interesting enemy setups is great rpg stuff.  Looking forward to all the rest of the dungeons and multiplayer boss fights.

If you do go NIN Bebpo, make sure you level Lancer / DRG to 34 for Invigorate and Blood for Blood.

Plus, DRG's abilities just look really cool. You'll get DRG envy when you hit Heavensward anyway.

34 seems like a lot of extra work considering I'm at lvl.1 w/Lancer and being at lvl.19 now with my Rogue/Gladiator the XP jumps between levels are getting big.  I need 50-60k xp to get to the next level and even MSQs are only paying out 7k.  But maybe.  I'll see.  I think when I finally hit 30 and get my real "job" I'll probably just wanna stick to it for a while.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 22, 2016, 10:22:58 AM
The commendation system seems to help tenfold with keeping people cooperative and helpful. Likes are a hell of a drug.

And those two DRG abilities aren't strictly necessary but they are NIN's two best DPS cooldowns.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 23, 2016, 02:41:52 AM
So I'm noticing I'm getting way ahead of the MSQ levels.  Like each day I'm doing the duty roulette for guildheist & one for dungeon and between that and the hunting logs and MSQ getting a lot of xp!  Doesn't help the MSQs don't go up in level all that quickly.  I just did the 3rd dungeon, the copper mines and I'm lvl.22 now and that was like lvl.17 or 18.  Kinda impatient because I want the story quests to get to lvl.20 already so I can get my chocobo and grand company gameplay.  What's the point of buying a house and how much money do you need before you can even do stuff like that?  I still only have like 12,000 gil.

Did a some dungeons as my DPS rogue tonight and I'm not sure if I like it better than playing as a tank.  It's pretty fun being the team leader and engaging all the enemies.  I definitely think after I get my Ninja, the next job I'll go for is getting my Gladiator to a Warrior.

Oh, one thing that's really different about this game compared to single player rpgs is all my attacks are just 1 enemy.  So engaging a group means hitting one at a time.  At some point do you start getting AoE attacks with physical attackers that hit multiple enemies?  Is it only certain classes or is it just those kind of attacks don't appear in the < lvl.25 classes yet.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2016, 02:51:29 AM
How do I get my second job? I'm lv 10.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 23, 2016, 03:01:05 AM
Also at this point it's really the dungeons that are keeping me hooked and compelling me to want to play.  The MSQ stuff so far is kinda boring.  The exploration, surprisingly, I'm finding kinda sucks compared to a single player rpg.  You play something like Xenoblade or FFXII and you get to a big field or Skyrim or whatever and you just want to explore and find cool shit.  I don't get that feeling almost at all here.  You're kind of level limited (aka, this area you load into is now 20 levels higher) and when you do go to a new area exploring basically just finds you some encampments or a town with a bunch of filler-ish quests and generic NPCs.  There's no hidden dungeons you just stumble into since they're all story-based, and no great loot or anything.  Like there's just almost no compelling reason to explore and I find the game works a lot better when you just warp around doing the quests you want.  The warping around the world constantly also kinda takes away from exploring a bit since I'm mainly just fast traveling between points constantly.

But, the class quests are great and have a lot of character.  I find the NPC characters in the class quests are a lot more memorable than the MSQ characters I've run across who I can't even remember any of their names.  I think the class quests are a smaller scale and it's a lot more exciting and interesting, plus the missions are tuned around the abilities of your class which makes it more fun.  And then dungeons, dungeons are super super great and have sold me on the MMO genre.  Going through dungeons with other people, getting cool diablo-ish loot constantly, puzzles within dungeons, mini-bosses and then cool big bosses with cutscenes, these dungeons are so much fun.

So yeah, right now I'm playing for the dungeons and the class quests and kinda bearing the MSQ hoping it gets better as it unlocks more and more gameplay systems.  I'm also hoping that there are more cool things to do in the world that will be unlocked and be a lot of fun like dungeons and class quests like Primal fights and Grand Company stuff.  I've done a lot of the little quests around the world when I'm somewhere and the quests are around my level but it's all fairly boring go kill some enemies kinda stuff.  Also the quests that make you use emotes are not fun.  I've learned to bind the emote needed to the quickbar but before that when I was fighting with a controller and then had to quickly type /soothe before the enemy dies on a kb was annoying and there have been like half a dozen quests using soothe so far.

The music is great, it's really grown on me.  Definitely like the town tunes and the main battle theme.

How do I get my second job? I'm lv 10.

Now you can go to any guild in the world and do the blue+ quest at the entrance of each guild and you get that job.  This applies to non-combat jobs as well.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 23, 2016, 09:25:13 PM
BITCHES THEY JUST ANNOUNCED YASUMI FUCKING MATSUNO IS DESIGNING THE 4.0 RAID AND ITS CALLED "RETURN TO  IVALICE" FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 23, 2016, 09:41:52 PM
BITCHES THEY JUST ANNOUNCED YASUMI FUCKING MATSUNO IS DESIGNING THE 4.0 RAID AND ITS CALLED "RETURN TO  IVALICE" FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Glad I jumped in!

Wait, what's 4.0?  What's a raid? 
PT can you answer some of my Qs from my last 2 posts?  I still have a lot to learn about FFXIV!  Thnx.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 23, 2016, 09:44:01 PM
oops i meant to answer that stuff earlier sorry hold on
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 23, 2016, 09:45:09 PM
My first "MMO Story":  Me and this other guy get auto-matched into a 4 person party.  2 people drop including the healer and tank.  We sit and wait like 10 mins for it to add new members and the other guy tells me it can take a while at this time of night (when is a good time to find people in dungeons?), so I'm like "can we just do it 2p?" and he's like well we can give it a try.  And so we charge in and have life and death battles against a few bats and then we get to a part with 3 enemies locking on to us and he dies horribly and then I die horribly and we respawn and we're like "well, at least we tried /shrug" and then we quit out.

oops i meant to answer that stuff earlier sorry hold on

No rush, I honestly feel bad about asking you so many questions :(

Actually re-reading my posts I think I just had one question about if you get AoE attacks on melee characters at some point?  Oh and the point of buying a house and how to do it and about how much that costs?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2016, 09:55:18 PM
BITCHES THEY JUST ANNOUNCED YASUMI FUCKING MATSUNO IS DESIGNING THE 4.0 RAID AND ITS CALLED "RETURN TO  IVALICE" FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

FF12-2 continues!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 23, 2016, 09:55:23 PM
the story gets cooler as you go, but some of the quests in the 20s suck compete ass. like, everything with titan. literally NO ONE likes that part.

uhhh let's see...

houses cost millions of dollars and there's limited plus available. it's strictly a "for fun" thing. you have to craft /buy furniture yourself. you can also build an airship and sent that out to get items. if you're in an fc, they can buy a house that you all share.

single target vs group depends on what dps class you're playing as. i think monk and dragoon focus on single targets.

if you think the dungeons are cool now, whoahmg wait till you see what's later. there is some wild boss fights in this game, and tons of variety. the extreme versions of bosses can take you days to learn and then complete bc they're so damn tough. at the last fan fest they interviewed some of the boss designers, and it turns out that most of the best ones were designed by this one young guy. i forget his name rn, but he is absolutely someone to watch whenever he moves on from ff14. a master of Japanese-style (as in, build a scenario around the pc's abilities) game design.

4.0 is the upcoming Stormblood expansion. 3.0 is Heavensward, 2.0 is a Realm Reborn, and 1.0 was the canceled pos.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 23, 2016, 09:56:29 PM
don't feel bad about asking questions! i love taking about this game!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 23, 2016, 10:00:24 PM
the story gets cooler as you go, but some of the quests in the 20s suck compete ass. like, everything with titan. literally NO ONE likes that part.

uhhh let's see...

houses cost millions of dollars and there's limited plus available. it's strictly a "for fun" thing. you have to craft /buy furniture yourself. you can also build an airship and sent that out to get items. if you're in an fc, they can buy a house that you all share.

single target vs group depends on what dps class you're playing as. i think monk and dragoon focus on single targets.

if you think the dungeons are cool now, whoahmg wait till you see what's later. there is some wild boss fights in this game, and tons of variety. the extreme versions of bosses can take you days to learn and then complete bc they're so damn tough. at the last fan fest they interviewed some of the boss designers, and it turns out that most of the best ones were designed by this one young guy. i forget his name rn, but he is absolutely someone to watch whenever he moves on from ff14. a master of Japanese-style (as in, build a scenario around the pc's abilities) game design.

4.0 is the upcoming Stormblood expansion. 3.0 is Heavensward, 2.0 is a Realm Reborn, and 1.0 was the canceled pos.

-What's an FC?  Is that the linkshell?  Like am I part of the bore's FC?
-Do you know any melee classes that aren't single target?  I'd like to swing an axe or sword and hit all the enemies around me like a fighter class in Diablo.
-Speaking of which, people have little icons by their name?  What's that?
-So the dungeons and game gets tougher?  Cool.  In the first few, most of the time I'm partied with like 3 people who are lvl.60 down-synced to lvl.17/18/19/20 and the healer keeps everyone at full health and the tank keeps enemies occupied and it's pretty tough to ever be in any danger.  I'm guessing when you hit max level shit gets real and it's all about unique loot and great strategies to win as a team.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 23, 2016, 10:01:28 PM
oh and a raid is... kind of a loosely-used term in this game,but generally it refers to the optional multiplayer levels. there's extreme versions of bosses, raids with 24 players in them, and 8-man raids that have a bunch of short but extremely hard levels. after you beat the 2.0 story you'll be able to take on these large side stories that will unlock various raids. you can then do the same thing after you beat heavenswards main story.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 23, 2016, 10:06:44 PM
fc is a Free Company. a linkshell is more like a chat room. you can only belong to one fc at a time. it also has its own chat channel, plus lots of other bonuses: a shared company chest, the ability to buy a house together, different bonuses that can be activated like extra battle exp, etc. i can invite you to mine if you want. I'm new to it too, but i know a few of the people in it and they're very nice and helpful. it can be pretty quiet a lot tho.

as for dps... lemme ask around. i play black mage and bard which both have a lot of aoe attacks, but ofc they're ranged. I'll see if there's melee ones.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 23, 2016, 10:13:17 PM
Oh and another question.  So Heavensword introduced 3 new jobs that start at lvl.30 and have no prior specific job required.  Does this mean that they don't have access to other class skills besides the cross-class skills?  Like with a NIN from what I understand I get ALL of Rogue's abiltities + Puglist's abiltiies + NIN's abilities which is a lot of stuff + cross-class skills.  But if the new jobs are only New job abilities + cross-class skills it would seem like their skill pool would be kinda limited, but I guess maybe made up for by more powerful skills in their job path?  I'm thinking about maybe doing the Dark Knight instead of Warrior which is why I'm asking.  Once I hit 30 I'll have a lot of questions about higher level jobs. 

Also am I correct in thinking that every time an expansion roles around now, if the new jobs start at lvl.30 that lots of level 60 players will drop back to lvl.30 to play the new jobs, so you'll see tons of players in the 30-70 range, but 1-30 will be kinda ghost town and that is why it's kinda ghost town sometimes for the 1-30 game I'm playing now?  Aka, after lvl.30 should I find more and more players as I get closer to 50-60?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 23, 2016, 10:15:17 PM
so ninja and mini have a few aoe abilities it seems...

generally aoe is just good for trash mobs in dungeons. once you get to the boss fights you'll want to use all your most brutal single-target attacks. you'll learn what the most effective combos are as you try to keep buffs going and rotate different abilities as you wait for others to cool down. eventually pulling off some crazy convos will be nothing but muscle memory and you'll be able to crush anything (as long as you know the mechanics of each boss fight lol)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 23, 2016, 10:34:01 PM
noooo, ninja won't have all those abilities. once you hit level 30 with a class you have option to upgrade it to a normal Final Fantasy job. like pugilist becomes monk, thaumaturge becomes black mage, rogue becomes ninja, etc. the upgraded version is the same damn thing, you just get to do more quests that will get you some new abilities. afaik most of the cross-class skills you can use are buff/debuff stuff, tho there are exceptions.

new heavensward jobs just skip the whole class part and jump straight to the job. you'll have a whole bunch of abilities at your disposal as soon as you unlock them. the new expansion seems like it will start new classes at 50.

most players play old levels through the daily roulettes. the downtime you're experiencing is more likely due to people taking a break from the game before the next expansion. you'll always have long queue times as a dps tho, because everyone plays a a dps.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 23, 2016, 10:59:20 PM
I don't much about the casters but AoE abilities are kinda spammy. For NIN you basically spam one ability and throw in Doton and Katon Mudras when you can.

Just wait until you get your first Mudras :aah
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 23, 2016, 11:09:31 PM
BITCHES THEY JUST ANNOUNCED YASUMI FUCKING MATSUNO IS DESIGNING THE 4.0 RAID AND ITS CALLED "RETURN TO  IVALICE" FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

FF12-2 continues!

poor revenant wings :(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 24, 2016, 01:37:18 AM
https://streamable.com/25l4x  :whew
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 24, 2016, 02:59:13 AM
played for an hour, friended bebpo, he showed me where i can find gear shop. then i got invited to an FC that is full of FF8 fanatics (the name of the FC is Balamb Olive Garden) so i feel right at home. First real time getting social in the game. When I was a teen I could do nothing but fishing and chatting with friends play ff11. but these days I'm more about business and just doing missions, so it was refreshing and nostalgic.

also had to explain to bebpo, as this is his first mmo, that mmo's aren't usually this user friendly. He said when you get to a new city and attune you can port there any time, but mmo's aren't usually like that. At least, the ones I'm used to. In FFXI if you want to go to another city or continent you had to take an airship or travel by boat and hope you survived the onslaught. And if you wanted to go back to the old place you were at you had to travel back allllll the way to that airship/boat/whatever, same in WoW I think. bebpo doesn't know how good he's got it. This game is completely absent the old school mmo grind and it's mind blowing to me. He told you can travel across the world at level 14, and again, that shit blows my fucking mind. You wouldn't leave your starter area until like level 20 or something in an oldschool 2000's era mmo. Jesus Christ. This game is MADE for working adults. :bow
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 24, 2016, 05:42:34 AM
So I spent most of the whole night in Golden Saucer after doing the intro tour quest.  Most of the time playing Triple Triad.  Game is good stuff.  I also tried Lord of Vermillon and it was so terrible I will never do that again!  The 1gil games are kinda fun.  And I bought a chocobo and raced it against other people!  And I won first place in my first race even though I'm terrible at it because someone used some item against me that caused my chocobo to rage and keep running at full speed which killed the endurance, but I literally ran out of endurance 1 step from the finish line so it actually made me run past everyone else and win  :lol  WAS AWESOME. 

(http://i.imgur.com/HZLknDX.jpg)

Dunkles Akane is my chocobro

I like the mini-lotto one you can do 3 times a day, put my dibs in for the full lotto.  I tried a GATE quest but I didn't get it at all.  I was delivering items to 3 people and I'd just auto lose suddenly while running at some point -_-

I like how the casino is setup.  The announcements that things are constantly going on and people everywhere is super cool.  As my first MMO this is really neat!  I just wish there were more NPCs to play Triple Triad against.  I'm afraid to start playing against other humans because I figure everyone is level 50-60 and has amazing decks and I have no chance.  I googled it a bit and I see there are other people in the world you can play against and there are local rules for each city which is neat.  Collecting cards is fun.

So MGP...you know, the little 20-30 MGP you can win, or even a few 100 MGP you can win all seems meaningless when challenges get you like $10,000 MGP.  I was struggling to get to 600 MGP to buy my first Triple Triad card and then I finished some challenges while I was doing stuff and suddenly I had $20,000 MGP and bought a bunch of cards.

Back in the story, still not at lvl.20 MSQs yet.  I unlocked dyes and retainers.  Retainers are nice and just in time because I was starting to run out of space with weapons, so now I have storage box people, yay.  I got my Puglist to lvl.16 along the way and Gladiator to lvl.20.  So now I have a lvl.5 character (Marauder), lvl.10 character (Thermatuge), lvl.15 character (Puglist), lvl.20 character (Gladiator) and soon lvl.25 character (Rogue) that I can change to and play with people and be around their level like Queen of Ice.  Also got to about lvl.5 in Cooking and Goldsmith just for something different to try them out.

Thanks for explaining the lvl.30 job upgraded PT.  So since I won't get access to all of the Pugilist skills with my Ninja, I guess there's no point in taking my Puglist past the 15 requirement.


Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 24, 2016, 11:03:40 AM
MMOs have definitely moved past the XI ways of taking an hour and a half just to get to a quest location. Even XI has mostly. Quality of life is king.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 24, 2016, 01:32:00 PM
Picked up Heavensward in anticipation since it was $9.99 on the steam sale.  Does it come with an additional free month?  Or is that only a base game thing?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 24, 2016, 01:55:28 PM
no additional free month sorry :/
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: SpeedStats on December 24, 2016, 03:44:47 PM
I totally lost my password and went scrounging around in a old external hard drive to find it for the Bore. :(

I main Scholar (257), Ninja (250), and Bard (247) if anyone has any rotation questions for those! Ninja was my first job and I really enjoyed it because it sped up the gcd if I had a Huton on. Mudras make the job work so well.  :drool

This game is MADE for working adults. :bow
You know, I felt the same kinda thing when I first started playing? I used to tell Sunblade, "oh no I can't play this I have no time i have school and hospital work and all that shit". I have a ton of time and it's really easy to level up quickly (especially now that they buffed XP for each quest in the MSQ I think).  Go at your own pace, etc.  I eventually got everything to 60 even when I was busy or not playing every day.

Lemme know when you're on on Twitter so you don't have to play alone.  I'll just follow you around and heal you if you need it like last time.

Also we have a Bore Linkshell on Hyperion. Let me (Asha Sunblade), Onix Sunblade, or Positive Touch know if you want in.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 24, 2016, 06:11:44 PM
Did my first trial in the MSQ, was ok.  I mean I guess I was expecting something a little harder.  Also, no loot is kinda a bummer (unless I missed something because I was in a cutscene?).  I mean for bosses where the fight is literally, tank sitting in front, healer healing tank, for the other 2 people you're just punching on a big HP bar that can't do anything back.  Yeah at the end Ifrit started doing AoE attacks on his back but they were easy to dodge.  Since trials are just straight up boss fights, no dungeons or anything, I'd like them to be intense and tough.

Also had my first bad experience with a random match-making party.  Was doing a sidequest that had a dungeon (cool) as a tank and ran into two problems.  1 was a healer not healing me constantly so I was struggling to stay alive while pulling aggro and 2 there was some high level 60 on every job player who thought they were so good they can just run ahead as a mage and take care of everything themselves...and then they come running back with like 6 enemies on them which I pull off and immediately die -_- But mainly, my understanding is that if you're a Tank the most important person in your party is your healer keeping you alive.  Like just tank+healer could probably make it through most stuff on their own even though it'd take a while since Tank damage is weak.  If you're DPS/Healer the most important person is your tank because they keep the enemies from attacking you and killing you faster than you can heal.

Had a pretty long wait for the trial match-making (was instant with my tank on the dungeon), so since I've kind of run out of SP things to do while waiting in queues since I don't want to just grind enemies on the overworld and these small quests are all pretty boring, luckily I've found that I can just hang in the Golden Saucer and gamble while waiting on my queue.  Pretty much more fun than anything else I can do.  I guess I could do FATEs but I'm not sure where the ones around my level always are, and I'm getting really bored of playing FATEs solo.  It's really rare when I actually run into an active FATE and there's some people fighting and I join up.  When that actually happens, especially when it's a big boss FATE, it's basically a mini-trial and pretty fun.

What was the big deal with Mamash?  Are you guys all lvl.60 and it's just a lvl.50 mob?

Oh, I did the MSQ that took me to the Materia goblin!  I learned how to break down my old 100% spirit-bonded eqp into Materia.  Couple questions.  How do I put the materia into my equipment that has materia empty slots?  I couldn't figure it out at all so I have all this materia but no idea how to use it.  Also is there any way to see what kind of materia a piece of equipment is going to turn into?  Like I want some DEX+1 since I'm Rogue, but I broke down like 10 things and got mainly VIT/STR/CRIT+

So the next story quest is the choose a Grand Company quest so I'm looking forward to the new stuff that'll open up.  At this point is there anything else I should be doing while waiting for queues on MSQs that require them (or new Guildheists?).  I'm around lvl.24.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 24, 2016, 06:52:17 PM
you can't decide what materia your equipment will turn into, although each type of equipment will only turn into a few certain types of materia i.e. mage clothes will turn into spell-boosting materia.

you meld materia you have 3 options:
-have a crafter class that corresponds with the material the item is made of, and have your class at the same level as the equipment
-find someone else who meets these requirements
-go to the guy labeled "materia melder" in the market at a major city and pay him to do it for you

there isn't much else to do now while you wait on the queue I think. tbh i usually just play on my phone while I wait.

that big ass monster we were fighting was a hunt. they rarely  pop up on each map and are extremely powerful and most require a team to kill. killing one gets you various types of special currency.  the one we were fighting is notorious bc he can turn everyone in the area to stone for 30+ seconds. he sucks.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 24, 2016, 07:04:14 PM
Taking a break, the more I think about it, the more I'm not sure FFXIV is for me in the long term.  Like it was really fun at first when it was all new, and then I got to change classes and it was fun, and then lvl.15 unlocked a bunch of stuff like dungeons and golden saucer and that was fun.  But where I'm at now about 36 hours in after 2 weeks, it feels like the MSQ are holding me back.  Like if I could just go do stuff and then gain levels and then go do new higher level dungeons I think it'd pace a lot better.  But for the most part the dungeons and a lot of the gameplay systems are locked behind MSQ progression and the MSQ is honestly just really slow paced and boring.  Before going in I wanted a big fleshed out single player story like an FF sp game.  But now I think I'd rather the main stories in these MMOs be short and leave you free to spend most of your time doing sidequests and sidestuff.

Like if i I had to rate how I'm liking the game now, it'd be like an 8/10 rpg.  Some great stuff, but a lot of running and whacking on things and going through motions waste of time as well.  I have this sneaking feeling that the real game is at lvl.50, or now because of Heavensward at lvl.60.  Because once everyone is level capped, and they keep increasing the difficulty it comes down to loot + strategy and that sounds a hell of a lot more fun than the press button to win gameplay for the last 30 hours.  I mean the closest game I've played to an MMO was playing through Diablo 3 at launch with The Bore.  That was fun and exciting and we were all around the same level and we'd get loot and toss stuff on the ground for others to take and it was good times.  in FFXIV I joined up and met with Queen of Ice but because our levels were far apart there was not much I could actually do with Queen.  I couldn't even give some equip around her level because most of my equip was untradeable.  We couldn't co-op MSQs, and it was like well I guess we can do some fates or small quest or leves or something, but for being a social game it felt like there wasn't much we could do co-op.  I'd imagine if I play with you guys who are level 60 it's pretty similar.  Like until you get to endgame where everyone is the same level (but even then you have item level differences), it feels like you mostly just play it solo with strangers matchmaking in dungeons.  But the solo is pretty boring.

I dunno, I think I'll play a bit more and do Grand Company and get my Chocobo and maybe I'll join a Free Company that you guys are in (what do you have to do in your free company?), but I can see myself getting burned out/bored by 50 hours and only being halfway through the MSQ.  Like as I was fighting Ifrit and doing fates I kept thinking I'd rather play FFXV (or a different SP rpg) and do it there with better pacing and having more control over my teammates.

that big ass monster we were fighting was a hunt. they rarely  pop up on each map and are extremely powerful and most require a team to kill. killing one gets you various types of special currency.  the one we were fighting is notorious bc he can turn everyone in the area to stone for 30+ seconds. he sucks.

Oh, that sounds fun.  I'm guessing this is a lvl.50/60 thing?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 24, 2016, 07:25:01 PM
I've been busy this week. Blame me more than the game.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 24, 2016, 07:46:19 PM
you're absolutely right that the "real" game starts at 50. there's tons of content, stuff to unlock and grind for, etc. dunno what to tell you about what to do till then. it's a common complaint that it takes too damn long to go through the msq and there is no way around it. they're finally implementing a skip but who knows when that'll be ready. honestly if you focus on nothing but the msq you can do it relatively fast, but it'll still prolly take a week or two.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 24, 2016, 08:20:21 PM
Yeah, at this point I'm just focusing on running through the MSQ and doing my class quests.  I'm not even bothering with the duty roulettes because I have too much xp already and the MSQ is too easy.  Would you say I'm about 1/3rd through the Realm Reborn MSQ?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 24, 2016, 08:39:14 PM
at the part where you join a grand company? yeah that's prolly 1/3 of the way thru. there's a lot of msq between 2.0 and heavensward with a lot of running back and forth, but you have all the extra dungeons and raids and whatnot to go thru too so it keep you interested.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 24, 2016, 08:44:34 PM
FUCK I CAN'T BELIEVE MATSUNO IS WORKING ON THIS GAME I'M SO EXXXXCITED
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 24, 2016, 08:59:40 PM
Yeah, at this point I'm just focusing on running through the MSQ and doing my class quests.  I'm not even bothering with the duty roulettes because I have too much xp already and the MSQ is too easy.  Would you say I'm about 1/3rd through the Realm Reborn MSQ?
There's 184 MSQ in 2.0 and 100 in 2.X

 That's kinda why I was urging you to go do MSQ, you would complete them by doing things you normally do at that same player level and you could finish class quests or your hunt/challenge log why you wait for dungeons to pop.

Cant do class quests while in queues because most, at least with rogue, are story based and instanced. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 24, 2016, 10:15:08 PM
It's definitely worth it to just focus on MSQ and the Class / Job quests on your first Class. There's a loooot of shit to do in this game and not all of it is worth the time.

MSQ picks up a lot closer to 50 and doesn't really let up. 2.1 is kinda meh, but doesn't take too long.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 24, 2016, 10:17:53 PM
The problem is that the MSQ is boring in the early levels so you need to do side stuff to get some variety going and keep it interesting.  I don't even care about xp and gaining levels anymore, I just want varied fun things to do.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 24, 2016, 10:18:27 PM
2.4 :rejoice

iceheart :rejoice
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 24, 2016, 10:21:11 PM
I don't find MSQ boring at all. There's a lot of mystery going on with my story and especially the archer story. Maybe mage MSQ just sux
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 24, 2016, 10:24:30 PM
Actually I think part of it is I just need to get to some new locations.  In the first 5-10 hours I'd mapped out the 3 areas around UlDah (West/Central/East) and in the next 5 I'd done the same for Limsa Loma (Upper/Middle/Lower) and so far all the MSQs have just been going around the locations in them.  I know there's still a good chunk of the world map I haven't even stepped foot into and I think seeing some fresh new areas soon will make it more exciting.

I don't find MSQ boring at all. There's a lot of mystery going on with my story and especially the archer story. Maybe mage MSQ just sux

The story has nothing to do with your Archer class :P  That's your class quest line and I really like those!  The MSQ is a generic main story pathline everyone does though from what I gather there are 3 slightly varied versions depending on your starting town (ie, the same stuff happens but with a different local cast in a different location).

2.4 :rejoice

iceheart :rejoice

Is 2.4 Heavensward?  I don't know what numbers mean after 2.0 being Realm Reborn lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Himu on December 24, 2016, 10:33:52 PM
Heavensword is 3.0
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 24, 2016, 10:47:53 PM
no after 2.0 there were 5 free expansions released every few months. they had new story, raids, items, whatever in them. then after the big finale in 2.5 they released heavensward. did the same thing post-hs too, although 3.5 isn't due out till next month.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 24, 2016, 11:09:02 PM
Oh, cool.

You know I was googling about FFXIV burnout/boredom and reading articles from players on what works with the game and what doesn't and I read one that had a good idea.  Instead of doing dungeon roulette at maximum sync (ie lvl 24 players on a lvl.20 dungeon), there should be an option for minimum sync that would sync everyone at the lowest possible level to do the dungeon (ie lvl.20 players for a lvl.20 dungeon) and maybe have slightly better rewards. 

Because I hadn't thought about it, but yeah, when I turn lvl.20 and go into a lvl.20 dungeon for the first time, the party members I'm going to get are mostly lvl.60 players on their dungeon roulette coming in at lvl.24 and maybe the dungeons wouldn't be so cakewalk if most of the party wasn't 4-5 levels above them but actually at the same level.  Just might be a way to make the dungeons more exciting/challenging.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 25, 2016, 02:03:52 AM
The reason the roulettes exist is that things that are a requirement for you most of the player base finished eons ago. So if you didn't have max levels queuing, you'd sit in queue potentially forever blocked from continuing your storyline.

It's not really that they're max level that makes things a cakewalk though, it's more that they've done the dungeons 50 odd times now. A "new only" option would be interesting, but most MMOs are interesting in getting players in and out of queued content ending in success as quickly as possible to avoid any frustration with waiting or grouping.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 25, 2016, 02:36:06 AM
The reason the roulettes exist is that things that are a requirement for you most of the player base finished eons ago. So if you didn't have max levels queuing, you'd sit in queue potentially forever blocked from continuing your storyline.

It's not really that they're max level that makes things a cakewalk though, it's more that they've done the dungeons 50 odd times now. A "new only" option would be interesting, but most MMOs are interesting in getting players in and out of queued content ending in success as quickly as possible to avoid any frustration with waiting or grouping.

Actually I think you misunderstood my post.  The article I read wasn't talking about a "new players only" option for duty roulette, but rather that lvl.50/60 players should have a "max sync/min sync" option which would either sync them at the dungeon level + 4-5, or would sync them exactly at the dungeon level for added challenge and greater rewards.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 25, 2016, 02:41:58 AM
MSQ is getting a lot better now around the free companies.  It's starting to get a little more focused than just run around the world doing menial tasks for different groups.

I went to Southern Gridania to do the Palace of the Dead quest and there was toooooons of people in the area.  Like FATEs were all around my level, 20-30 stuff and there were always people doing them.  I did a boss fought with my lvl.21 Gladiator and was getting owned after a while and a couple of archers came and peeled him off my back for a bit and we beat him.  Was neat.  Then I went to the area where the Palace of the Dead is and saw the most players I've ever seen in the game in one spot  :o

(http://i.imgur.com/fScTuur.jpg)

I did the Palace of the Dead floors 1-10, but the group I paired with (who were really nice) were speedrunning it so I just ran along and beat up some enemies and kept going to the next level and then left after the boss.  I don't really understand what was going on at all, but I got some cool lvl IV Materia (i70) which I can't even meld onto equipment at my level now.

I got my Chocobo!  Is there any way to make your chocobo faster?  Also I know you guys were talking about having my chocobo fight with me against enemies, how do you do that?  All I can do is summon it to ride and then it disappears when I get off.

The game is definitely a lot more fun in areas where there are lots of other people.  Hopefully as I get higher in level I'll encounter more areas like that.  Oh and Postiive Touch, I joined your Free Company.  Checked out the house and donated some money cause I didn't know what else to do.  There was only like 1 person online and then 2 for a little bit and then no one later on at night.  Are there like FC quests?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 25, 2016, 10:02:26 AM
welcome to the fc! sorry, there aren't any associated quests.

you can't make your chocobo faster lol. to have it fight for you you need to use a gysahl green, which you can buy at the chocobo ranch in the central shroud.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 25, 2016, 11:41:12 AM
So is the FC basically a big linkshell that shares a house and you can share items?  Like what am I supposed to do to "rank up" in the FC and help the FC rank up in the overall?


Also, I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate the localization team that is in charge of this game.  The flowerly language everywhere and millions and millions of hard to remember or spell fantasy terms for everything is super annoying to parse quickly.  I tried switching it to Japanese text and it's so much more straightforward.  Hell instead of Mendor or whatever the fuck for the weapon repair guy it just says like "PAUL - WEAPONS REPAIR GUY" in Japanese.  I'd play this in Japanese text but there's 8 billion lines of text and I skim/fast-read English 10x quicker so I'll deal with the crappy localization but yeah I hate this localization team.  I mean then you look at World of FF and it's the BEST localization and way better than the original with all the goofy random shit (often pretty funnny!) in the monster descriptions in a Paper Mario way.  SE's localization is just all over the place.

I feel like they should've got Alexander O' Smith to be the head of FFXIV's localization team.  It feels like they're kinda trying to do something like that but with a different tone (kinda like this m'lady flowery old english) but they suck at it. 

And then there's random name changes, like in Japanese version the good guy team is the Akatsuki no Ketsui which means "Blood Alliance of the Dawn", yet in English it's the "Seventh Scions of the Dawn" or something.  Like why change this shit other than to use an oddball word like Scion to make it sound more foreign?

Sometimes it even gets in the way of the gameplay.  Like I'm doing the sightseeing log unlock quest and it's telling me to find the place "Afore the Fane" and /lookout.  I zero idea what that line even means in English.  I'm sure if I switched it to Japanese text it'd be something like "go stand before the waterfall and /lookout"; Man, 200+ hours of dealing with this shit :duh
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 25, 2016, 12:10:58 PM
I get what you mean now. I guess the reason it syncs to a few levels above entry level is so as to make the prospect of roulettes more appealing or less cumbersome (you end up doing a lot of it in end game, a lot).

And I've said for eons that O' Smith should've been the tone of the series as a whole, especially since they can't seem to figure out what that is. I like XIVs translation well enough though.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 25, 2016, 02:19:52 PM
you don't need to do anything to rank up the fc. tbh I don't know how to but I'm pretty sure our is maxed out at lvl 8.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 26, 2016, 03:27:50 AM
Finally got around to the fishing guild and omg, I totally forgot I love fishing in rpgs.  Like my constant NPC triple triad matches (I must be playing at least 5-10 matches each session), fishing will be a nice diversion between questing.

One question, if I do grand company leves and they're in a different region so it's for a different grand company, do I still get the rewards for my grand company?  Also before I get too far in my Grand Company (I picked Limsa Lomina), is there anything I should know about GCs because maybe I want to change to a different one?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 26, 2016, 01:49:00 PM
no matter who's leves you do, you'll always get point for your gc. and there's no difference in gcs besides the aesthetics of the gear you can get from each one.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 26, 2016, 02:50:23 PM
So I've been doing alot of reading about this game because it's so large and I'm trying to get familiar with it.  Each day I think I learn more and more stuff about how it all works.

Now I'm trying to figure out timesink in order to figure how long this game is gonna take me since I got other stuff to do and I normally play through rpgs over a couple of weeks or a month or two and then move on.  So let me know if I'm wrong about this but this is my understanding of the main story if I don't care about getting the best loot or socializing or anything and just wanna play through the story content.

2.0 - Realm Reborn - Probably between 80-120 hours for MSQ
2.1-2.5, five additional ~10 hour story DLCs for another 50 hours of MSQ
3.0 - Heavensword - Around a 60 hour normal length rpg for MSQ
3.1-3.5 five additional ~10 hour story DLCs for another 50 hours of MSQ

Is that right?  Because it seems like the big timesink is getting caught up.  But once you're caught up with FFXIV, you just buy a new expansion every 2 years which is the length of a normal rpg and then in the year between expansions you play 5 short DLCs.  Basically seems like if you're caught up that it's not a big timesink, more like it's just an rpg series you like that gets a new 50-60 hour rpg each year (Disgaea, Kiseki, etc...). 

But getting caught up to 3.4 right now is probably about 270 hours long MSQ from 2.0, part of that is ARR's MSQ is more like a 120 hour rpg.

I'm just going to look at it like I looked at Kiseki/Trails last two years where I decided to catch up from Trials FC to Cold Steel 2 which was seven 50-70 hour rpgs so like 350 hours and I did it in about a year and a half.  But part of that was because I took a 3-6 month break between each game to get a breather.  Maybe I'll do the same here and between each 50 hour story chunk I'll take a break and play other rpgs for a few months and then be caught up by the time the expansion after Stormblood comes out.  Or I get addicted and I just play FFXIV as my main rpg for 4-5 months and I'm caught up right before Stormblood comes out.  Dunno, will see.  But I like the idea that once you are caught up the game is manageable and is not a big timesink.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 26, 2016, 03:53:57 PM
all that sounds about right. i just keep a sub going bc I like having the ability to log back in any time and poke around. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 26, 2016, 04:15:43 PM
beps is this your first mmo?

that first mmo hit :lawd
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 26, 2016, 06:07:54 PM
Hmmm, trying to find the merchant that is the your level every 5 levels for your job can be a little annoying.  Since I just hit lvl.25 with Rogue I'm looking around for lvl.25 gear in Limsa.  Aleport has 15, 20 and then jumps to 45 at the two gates.  Costa Del Sol is lvl.30 gear.  Gonna google where to find the lvl.25 merchant here.  Just did the lvl.25 Rogue Class Quest; was good stuff, actually pretty challenging.  Gonna go catch up on a couple of other Class Quests I still need to do (Gladiator lvl.20, Pugilist lvl.15, Thermaturge lvl.10) and then get back to the main story. 

I grabbed every job available outside the 3 Heavensward jobs, so now I can just switch between them on the fly which is nice.  I wish you could make your on-character armory larger because ideally I'd like to keep a weapon from every job in the game on me to switch between them, but that takes up like 24 slots and then I've got no room for loot.  I went and stored like have with my venture.  I'm just keeping gathering classes on me and cooking & fishing because those are fun and useful. 

I don't understand the botanist/mining classes.  How do I use them?  I go out into a forest/field of trees and I can't find any place to get fruit as a botanist.  I go into a MINE as a miner and I don't see any spots to mine.  I'm lvl.1 on both and have no idea how to use the classes.

Story-wise I'm about to meet the Sylph tribe around lvl.22 I think.

beps is this your first mmo?

that first mmo hit :lawd

Yup!  I swore them off because they seemed like time sinks and I generally avoid long rpgs (which is why I never played DQVII on PS1) since I'd rather play two 60 hour rpgs than one 120 hour rpg.  And FFXIV is a timesink, but it's still pretty fun so far 40 hours in, so I'm on bored unless I get bored/burnt out.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 26, 2016, 10:35:08 PM
That sounds a little higher than I remember. I did ROG / NIN from 1 - 60 without ever having done 2.1 - 2.5 or 3.0 in probably 2 months or so of a few hours a night. Maybe there's some 8 hour weekend days that I'm leaving out though.

This is very much an "enjoy the journey" game. Unless you want to join a static and raid, the end game gear grind isn't very interesting.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 27, 2016, 02:00:12 AM
Finished the Sylph chapter.  Yeah I see what you mean about the fetch quests in the 20s, that took like an 8 hour day session and tons and tons of filler.  Like you get to the bar and the guy asks you to deliver an earring to an old worker and it sends you all around the map.  Was alright.  Had some good dungeon experiences with other players.  I've decided I'm not going to play as Tank the first time doing any new dungeon/boss because tank is the leader most of the other people in your party are on their 20th+ time doing the dungeon/primal, so when you're peeking into each room or figuring out puzzles everyone is speedrunning ahead.

First time through any dungeon I'm fine with playing my Rogue and following the Tank leader, then when I do duty roullete I play as my Tank since I know what to do.

Also the whole cutscenes in the middle of a dungeon are kinda bad because I'm watching the cutscenes since it's my first time going through but when I get out everyone's just been sitting and waiting for me to finish and I feel kinda bad about it.  I'm thinking maybe I should skip the cutscenes in dungeons and then go to an inn and watch them after.

That sounds a little higher than I remember. I did ROG / NIN from 1 - 60 without ever having done 2.1 - 2.5 or 3.0 in probably 2 months or so of a few hours a night. Maybe there's some 8 hour weekend days that I'm leaving out though.

This is very much an "enjoy the journey" game. Unless you want to join a static and raid, the end game gear grind isn't very interesting.

Yeah I've got no interest in endgame gear grind.   Also yeah, leveling is super easy.  I wouldn't be surprised if I hit 60 before I finish ARR 2.0.  The time is more do all the story quests.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 27, 2016, 09:16:18 AM
having cutscenes in dungeons was a shit idea and thankfully they mostly drop it after 2.0. the last two dungeons in 2.0 have like 45 minutes of cutscenes and so yeah you're gonna want to skip those and watch them in the Inn.

to use gathering classes, just use their ability that locates gathering nodes in the area. each map will only have a few sections to gather in, and those boxes will require a certain level needle you can see/use them. check your gatherers log to see what maps have low level nodes.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 27, 2016, 03:06:33 PM
having cutscenes in dungeons was a shit idea and thankfully they mostly drop it after 2.0. the last two dungeons in 2.0 have like 45 minutes of cutscenes and so yeah you're gonna want to skip those and watch them in the Inn.

to use gathering classes, just use their ability that locates gathering nodes in the area. each map will only have a few sections to gather in, and those boxes will require a certain level needle you can see/use them. check your gatherers log to see what maps have low level nodes.

Ah, I'm guessing the lvl.1 needle I had wouldn't show me any spots in the areas like the mine in Limsa that has lvl.7-9 bats in it.  I gotta faq where the lvl.1 locations are.

In the lvl.1-30, it sure seems like just doing the MSQ gives enough XP for like 2 full jobs.  I switch back and forth between my Rogue and Gladiator and by the time MSQ hits 30 I'm pretty sure both will be 30 or above.  Which is nice, cause I enjoy the option of having a tank around to switchup from DPS stabbin.  I guess I'm going to take my Gladiator to Paladin.  I'd rather do a Warrior job from the job descriptions because it sounds like Warrior does way more damage than Paladin and my Gladiator already feels weak as hell in ATK, but that means bringing my Marauder up from lvl.4-30 (although I guess I gotta get it from 4-15 for Paladin, but that should be like an hour) and I don't really feel like taking a break from the story to bring another job up a ton.  So I'll stick with Paladin & Ninja as I go through the MSQ.  Might add in one of the new Heavensward jobs too since they start at 30. 

After I hit 60 with my Paladin & Ninja it might be time to work on some other jobs like Warrior and a Healer class.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 27, 2016, 03:23:30 PM
gotta be in Ishgard to unlock the three newer classes sorry bro
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 27, 2016, 03:41:24 PM
Noooooooooooooo

gotta be in Ishgard to unlock the three newer classes sorry bro

And you can't go there until you finish the MSQ for 2.5, right?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 27, 2016, 04:23:10 PM
yuuuup
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 27, 2016, 04:33:58 PM
It's worth the wait / build up, story wise.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 27, 2016, 04:48:34 PM
Yeah I don't really mind, wasn't set on any of those jobs.  Although it sounds like Stormblood's Samurai might be more what I wanted out of Ninja.  I'm still kinda bummed Ninja is dual-wielding.  Ninjas use ninja swords!  Not daggers!  At least everything else with a ninja seems cool.  And the Rogue class storyline is great so far, Captain Jack and his Rogue crew are more memorable NPCs than anyone in the main story so far.

Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 27, 2016, 07:44:14 PM
You'll get plenty of swords with Ninja. I can't remember the last time mine were more dagger than sword.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 27, 2016, 07:53:44 PM
Figured out the mining/botany.  You know ideally I'd like to have these both running on my battle character while I'm cruising the world questing so if I see a botany/mining spot I just switch and grab it and then continue on.  I think I can do that since both prospect commands go under cross-skill traits though I lose two slots. 

Also I read about how the way to level these gathering classes is through leves, but since leves don't start until level 5, the early levels are both pretty slow.  Got Mining to lvl.3 and Botany to lvl.2, eventually will get them to lvl.5 and then do tradeleves.

Got to Southern Thanalan desert now.  I've started to do more and more of the "!" non-essential quests at each location along the way of the story because now that I'm getting a feel for the world I like how they flesh out each stop more.  Plus the XP ain't bad and they're quick and easy.  I really enjoy how many camps/small towns there are in the game.  At first I was worried with only 3 cities and a surrounding area for each the world wouldn't be very interesting or well populated.  But there's definitely a lot out there.  I zoomed out the maps and looked at the world map and now 50+ hours in I finally have an idea of how it all fits together into one big cohesive world.  Very cool.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 27, 2016, 07:58:13 PM
New questions:

1.  A lot of times when I move out of the AoE attack that's incoming I still get hit even if I moved well before the attack started.  What's up with that?

2.  I know you said you can't make your chocobo move faster, but are there faster mounts I can get later?  Like the flying ones?  Also I'm guessing Chocobo Companion is a later story quest unlock because I can't use him as a companion right now.

3.  What's the best ways to get Ventures for your venture expeditions?  Buy them from the GC for 200 each? 

4.  What's the best way to make GC money?  Doing GC leves?  I take out the hunting log enemies wherever I find them.

5.  What should I be doing with my ventures?  It seems like they can only level as far as you've taken a job, so I have 1 venture as a rogue like me and doing field explorations and leveling.  The other venture I dunno what to do with yet.


Oh, I like how the challenge log resets every 10 days.  That's going to be really helpful for getting MGP in the Golden Saucer.  I'm up to 23 cards now in Triple Triad.  Trying to get to 30 so I get the next rank and can make better decks.  Might try playing humans at that point.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 27, 2016, 08:28:15 PM
1. The telegraph is generally the indicator of when you need to be out of something. When it disappears, if you were still inside or clipping its boundaries you are going to get hit. You have to factor in latency with that to a degree I believe, but just make sure you're well out of the telegraph before it disappears.

2. Flying stuff is HW. Companion quest is level 30.

3-5 dunno
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 27, 2016, 08:49:35 PM
Also do people actually run low on TP?  Because as a Rogue I've got this skill to restore 200 TP to a teammate but I've never used it as everyone always has full TP.  Does this come into play more in endgame?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 27, 2016, 11:16:27 PM
Happens with tanks more often than not. Throw Goad on them if you see them dip low and they'll appreciate it. Not something a lot of NINs worry about I guess.

As a NIN, you'll easily run low on TP AoEing and in long fights, but you should have Invigorate for self TP heal.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 27, 2016, 11:32:48 PM
you get gc seals from fates, hunts, pvp, and you can trade in unique gear for seals. fuck leves. you can get ventures all over; i never went out of my way to get them but I have a million somehow.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 28, 2016, 12:31:33 AM
you get gc seals from fates, hunts, pvp, and you can trade in unique gear for seals. fuck leves. you can get ventures all over; i never went out of my way to get them but I have a million somehow.

Oh, I've noticed that Battleleves give Venture coins now.

Also btw, I noticed that when I do a Leve, sometimes there are treasure coffers with legit great loot on par with unique chests in dungeons at my level range.  My tank's helmet I've used for the last two days of play was from a treasure coffer on a battleleve in Eastern Shroud.  It's pretty cool and I wish non-leve questing had treasures spawn as well.

I dunno, endgame everyone harps on battleves are lame, bad and dumb, but 50 hours+ in going 1-30 battleleves are pretty good for me so /shrug
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 28, 2016, 03:34:52 AM
Got Miner up to level 8.  Grinding gathering classes to higher levels is really boring.  At least with fishing it's kind of relaxing if you like fishing in rpgs and just like the sim aspect of throwing down a line when you see a river, pulling up a chair and seeing what you can catch.  Miner is literally, hit button 200 times to level up since you get like 100xp per hit and even the leves don't give that much and are really boring to do.  I'm assuming Botanist is exactly the same.  Yawn.

Will hit lvl.30 tomorrow with my Rogue and maybe Gladiator.  They're 29/27 right now (I make sure to keep the Rogue at least 1 level higher so the Gladiator gets the +100% xp bonus).  Now getting to the lvl.30 story MSQ where I get to unlock my jobs might take 2 days, since I just arrived at Northern Shroud and MSQ is about lvl.28 now.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on December 28, 2016, 02:19:50 PM
New questions:

1.  A lot of times when I move out of the AoE attack that's incoming I still get hit even if I moved well before the attack started.  What's up with that?

2.  I know you said you can't make your chocobo move faster, but are there faster mounts I can get later?  Like the flying ones?  Also I'm guessing Chocobo Companion is a later story quest unlock because I can't use him as a companion right now.

3.  What's the best ways to get Ventures for your venture expeditions?  Buy them from the GC for 200 each? 

4.  What's the best way to make GC money?  Doing GC leves?  I take out the hunting log enemies wherever I find them.

5.  What should I be doing with my ventures?  It seems like they can only level as far as you've taken a job, so I have 1 venture as a rogue like me and doing field explorations and leveling.  The other venture I dunno what to do with yet.


Oh, I like how the challenge log resets every 10 days.  That's going to be really helpful for getting MGP in the Golden Saucer.  I'm up to 23 cards now in Triple Triad.  Trying to get to 30 so I get the next rank and can make better decks.  Might try playing humans at that point.

1.  The ground indicator is what matters. If you're still in the INDICATOR when it disappears, you will be hit. The attack ANIMATION doesn't cause damage (with very few exceptions). This also means that (again with a few exceptions), once the ground indicator disappears you can go back to that area before/during the attack animation and you will not be hit.

2. Flying mounts are faster but only when they are flying.

3.  Buy them with GC Seals or from Leves.

4.  Best way to get GC Seals is by turning in extra loot you collect from dungeons.

5.  Use the ventures to level your retainers. Once they're max level keep sending them on exploration ventures and sell the stuff they bring back on the market board. I don't like crafting, so my main source of Gil is by selling stuff my retainers bring back. Stock up on unused ventures for later when you'll be wanting to use GC Seals to by other things.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 28, 2016, 06:09:23 PM
Alright, got my NINja, that was a lot of work.  Also at first my ninja seems kinda weaker because I lose out on all the cross-class skills outside Puglist (most helpful was Marauders DEF+20% buff), and the only NIN thing I get at the start is a flaming ninja star that is just an ok little bit of extra damage every 20 seconds.  Some of the SP quests are getting kinda tough around lvl.30, the first Ninja quest was rough since I don't have a lot of heals/defense buffs.

I read up a little on jobs and it makes sense now, the jobs are basically lvl.2 upgrades to the classes that just require you to grind another class to lvl.15 as a hurdle.  Reading up on the jobs available most make sense but a few are weird.  Like why would someone whose playing an archer and really into attacking DPS from range want to necessarily change to a support spell job?  Doesn't seem to flow imo.  Also strange that Archanist gets 2 jobs it can transition to and none of the other initial classes get that.


Oh, what's the fastest way to increase my rank within my GC?  Because there's a Ninja weapon that's +4 or +5 over the best lvl.30 weapons you can buy and that's a pretty huge increase.  I have more than enough seals to buy it but I'm still the lowest rank and so I don't have access as it's greyed out.  Should I just grind some GC leves quick to rank up?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 28, 2016, 09:49:44 PM
The class to job thing is a 1.0 leftover that sort of makes sense sometimes but not always. Archer to Bard is one of those weird areas. Ranger is the clear missing job there.

The support / hybrid classes from XI and back are implemented sometimes in odd ways to make them work in a more traditional MMO trinity of clear cut tank, healer and dps roles. Red Mage will be similar.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 28, 2016, 09:54:50 PM
I'm trying to remember how to level up in a gc but I'm just drawing a big ol blank
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 29, 2016, 12:02:02 AM
Actually, I accidentally found it when I was at the GC desk.  There is a promotion option and you just buy it with seals.  So now I know what to spend my seals on.  Need to get to lvl.4 to buy the lvl.30 daggers.
On the "trade in stuff" for company seals, I have no idea where to get anything on the list so I guess you gotta just wiki it.

I tried dying my armor because it was fugly, but kinda annoyed that if your armor has 2 color schemes to it, as far as I could tell you can only change the color of one of the schemes?  So I died my armor from ugly brown to black but now it's black/brown still ><  Also, the marketplace board is so weird.  Some stuff is a little pricey (bought 30 buckets of black dye for like $20,000) whereas some stuff is like $300,000+ for dinky shit like jet black dye.  I've got about 100,000 gil now.  I think I'm saving up to buy a room at the FC for 300,000 and that's my next money goal since it's not like I need money for anything else.

Almost up to rank 2 in Triple Triad, have 27 unique cards now and need 30 get to the next rank.  Will try playing humans after that point.  Some of these NPCs are fucking ridiculous.


So I did my first dungeon as a Ninja (lvl.28 Haunted Mansion) and I got matched with a party of all first-timers.  It was the best.  Like it was such a different experience than any dungeon I've done to this point.  The four of us talked a lot, we had no idea where to go and explored all the rooms, we made strategies before going into a boss, everyone was super nice and it was a great time.  I feel like when I normally do dungeons and there's a couple lvl.60 people doing it for the 30th time on a daily roulette they're just speedrunning it and the only time they'll talk is "hi", "gg" or yelling at you if you mess up.  While I understand I'm 4 years+ late to this party, playing with people fresh to a dungeon/boss is really refreshing and I hope I get more of it throughout my FFXIV experience.

Hey PT, when I joined the FC some of the regulars were like "we have xmas stuff in the company chest" which I thought was like an invite to taking some items, but when I went to the company chest I don't have permission to take anything out only put stuff in.  How does it work?  Is the chest just to stack up an inventory of a billion things and not to actually help out any of the members?

Speaking of items, so many of the cool seasonal event items are like level 1 so they're useless.  Is there a way at some point to merge the stats of a piece of equipment to a different piece so that you can make cool looking outifts?  Sometimes I have real shitty outfits because stats.



Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 29, 2016, 12:39:00 AM
yeah our fc chest is set to deposit only for some reason. maybe they want people to ask before taking something? i dunno but I'll check.

 at level 45 or 50 you get the ability to make armor look like other armor so you can actually wear holiday stuff in dungeons and whatnot.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 29, 2016, 02:06:43 AM
Stormblood will also have samurai and ?.?? playable
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 29, 2016, 03:34:16 AM
Got Miner up to level 8.  Grinding gathering classes to higher levels is really boring.  At least with fishing it's kind of relaxing if you like fishing in rpgs and just like the sim aspect of throwing down a line when you see a river, pulling up a chair and seeing what you can catch.  Miner is literally, hit button 200 times to level up since you get like 100xp per hit and even the leves don't give that much and are really boring to do.  I'm assuming Botanist is exactly the same.  Yawn.

Will hit lvl.30 tomorrow with my Rogue and maybe Gladiator.  They're 29/27 right now (I make sure to keep the Rogue at least 1 level higher so the Gladiator gets the +100% xp bonus).  Now getting to the lvl.30 story MSQ where I get to unlock my jobs might take 2 days, since I just arrived at Northern Shroud and MSQ is about lvl.28 now.
The whole (kinda hidden) point of gathering classes is just leveling up and sometimes collecting materials that are your level for quick cash.

 The whole magic is getting a miner/botanist retainer and they'll fetch those materials for you for a cheap price and in huge sums. Depending on your level you can get materials faster (30 mins AKA ~a dungeon instead of an hour) or more plentiful. If you want to craft or make lots of $ you just level up and snag all the things you want /once/ and your retainer will end up giving you crystals/items that you need like crazy. Depending on the server, the market usually doesn't account for a few materials... so items can sell for a decent price and you do almost nothing but spend a very small amount of seals.

 You can make BANK doing that, and many people don't take advantage of that and rather do the more expensive, and a lot more risky and time consuming, explorations.

 It's a little known secret, at least on my server.
 
 There's money to be had in getting mats for early level and then you can work your way up to getting materials for end-game millionaires for dirt cheap.

  Another secret way to make money, that nobody takes advantage of and is usually kept hush-hush, is that you can buy expensive mat materials in your FC for 8-20 gil a pop and sell them for a couple hundred. Just make sure not to flood the market and ruin it for yourself/others, just do a single listing of x99 mats that you see are really profitable. It'll help you out early in the game.

 Not sure how it is on your server, but the market price of Bride/Groom gear is relatively cheap in a small shop in Uldah but it sells on the market for a lot. Throwing up a listing for a few items isn't a bad idea. Just make sure to click the "sales" button to see how often people buy materials for/for how much etc. to see when you'll make back your money and for how much it goes for... sometimes even the lowest price can be ridiculous and you can take advantage of it.

Thanks for the info.  At the point where I am in the game I really don't have any interest in making money.  Like I have a ton of crafting items but I'm just storing them all with my retainer in case I ever need them for crafting.  When I do sell stuff I just go and sell it at an NPC merchant.  I know I could make way more on the market but it's not worth the effort because there's nothing I really "need" that costs money other than teleport fees.  So I just keep saving up more and more.  I'll probably by a room just because I have nothing else to spend money on and it'll give me furniture and stuff to buy when I have money and nothing to spend it on.  I don't really care about having the best gear or anything, I'm just playing through the story.

And yeah people sell regular shit for crazy prices on the market cause I guess everyone is rich and don't care.  I needed a princess trout for my lvl 5 culinary quest so I thought the quickest way would be the market.  Looked and the cheapest was 20,000 Gil for like 13.  Then I went to the fish seller npc in town and bought it for 10 gil @_@

Got triple triad to rank 2, which should be helpful for beating all the npcs.  Went to the battlehall but there was no other players around.  I read online how the triple triad tournaments are busy because everyone cheats.  Guess I'll stick to beating the NPCs meta-game.  Though a lot of NPCs have bullshit decks beyond what a player can have.

Spent the rest of the night grinding my Maurader from lvl.4->12.  My Gladiator is almost at 30 and now that I have my Ninja next is getting my Paladin so gotta get Maraud to 15.  This kinda boring.  Requiring a second class at 15 is a pretty lame forced grind in retrospect.

Story-wise I'm at the going after Titan part.


Also my strange story for the night is when I was in Limsa Lomina fishing and overhear these public channel conversation where someone comes in and asks what Hyperion server is known for because they are thinking about moving their character to it, and someone says ERP and there is this whole conversation about harems on Hyperion and I had no idea what ERP was so I googled it and  :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 29, 2016, 04:23:39 AM
At this point I can definitely see how MMOs offer different experiences for people.  I can see how some people can role play, socially interact and live a virtual second life in an mmo.  Others I can see being a hang out location with friends in an FC.

For me, despite being an MMO, FFXIV is just another rpg I play, like the dozen others I play each year.  It's a bit slower, a bit more grindy, and the cutscenes are kinda weak, but it's got a cool fun dungeons with strangers system, lots of towns and quests and a good sized world to explore.

But I'm pretty much just exploring it on my own.  I talk to most NPCs, I do lots of little quests, I buy and sell all my stuff at the merchants or use leves.  I check off boxes with hunting & crafting logs.  I level up jobs out of curiosity to see how they play or for their class story lines.  Yeah I see people running around, but it feels more like a Dark Souls kinda experience for me where they are just background noise.  It's basically a single player rpg with multi-player dungeons that I'm cool with thanks to great match-making.  I don't really see that changing for me.  I'll go through the story, do a chunk of the side content, watch the credits and then call it a day and go on to the next rpg.  Then I'll come back for the next DLC or expansion and do it again.  I don't ever see myself hanging out and just socializing with people in it.  I have a hard enough time trying to juggle between moving on a controller and occasionally typing on a kb in dungeons.  I'm always doing something when I'm playing the game (either combat or triple triad or running to a location) so I never really have time to stop and chat.  But I'm glad FFXIV is built in a way to be both for online social gaming/mmo people and for people who just want to run through the story/explore the world&lore as a single player rpg with occasional matchmaking.

Game still feels about an 8/10 single player rpg so far.  I'm enjoying it.  Story & characters are kinda bland, world is good but it's no Xenoblade, dungeons & party-based combat is great, but solo combat is grindy & kinda bland.  Some great music but needs more tracks.  Excellent casino.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 29, 2016, 04:58:17 PM
About to get my Paladin.  At lvl.30 and doing the class quests now.  Is Paladin going to be more interesting/fun to play as than Gladiator?  Because after doing 15 levels of Marauder, Marauder is way more fun than Gladiator because you're actually doing damage.  I feel like with my Gladiator I'm just a standing shield and it's kinda boring.  Otoh, I can see Marauder having difficulties staying alive, but glass cannons are more fun to play.  Then again, when you're supposed to be the leader tank for the party, maybe that's not such a great idea since if you die everyone gets fucked.

Hoping Paladin has a more interesting range of skills beyond just "grab all the enemies attention and stand there buffing and doing pidly damage", otherwise I might be really tempted to get my Marauder from 15->30 and be a Warrior job.  I enjoy playing Tank a lot, but Gladiator is just a fairly boring tank.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 29, 2016, 07:23:09 PM
i mean isn't that what a tank is in general? your damage sucks but you have amazing defense so you can take all the hits while other teammates kill the enemies.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 29, 2016, 08:13:58 PM
But like,can't they make it fun?  :P

I mean if I play a Paladin in Diablo or a diablo-like or in a single player FF game, I got some cool shit.  Wasn't Cecil a Paladin in FF4?  And you didn't just stand still and absorb damage.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 29, 2016, 09:10:13 PM
Also, I don't want to imply that Gladiator isn't fun.  I wouldn't still be playing one 60+ hours in if it wasn't, I'd be sticking to my Rogue/Ninja.  I like being the Tank leader grabbing all the enemies attention and fighting them all.  It's getting harder and harder to keep enemies on me because my allies are getting really strong so they pull enemies off me.  So it's a challenge and rewarding to keep everyone safe.  It's a thankful job as people appreciate it when you swoop in and pull an enemy off them. 

I just want to do a "little" more damage and have some more interesting support/offensive stuff.  Kinda hoping Paladin brings a little of that.  When I was googling I found this:

http://puu.sh/lUN4Y/7c008c9047.png

and trying to read that and understand it, it seems like Paladin gets some cool shit later on.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on December 30, 2016, 12:08:10 AM
Paladin does the least damage of all the tanks. It's also the simplest to play. Like even at level 60, Paladin is stupid easy. Warrior is the Man Mode Tank and does the most damage of all the tanks.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 30, 2016, 01:26:26 AM
I've never played one but I've always heard Paladin was the less fun of the two.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 30, 2016, 03:24:49 AM
So I found out the Paladin's requirements weren't lvl.30 Gladiator/lvl.15 Marauder like I thought I read early on when looking at jobs, but instead it's lvl.30 Gladiator/lvl.15 Conjurer -_-  So after spending all yesterday night getting Marauder to lvl.15 in Limsa, I spent all tonight getting Conjurer from 1->15 in Gridania.  And man, Conjurer is not a fun class to level up in those starting levels since it only has TWO attacks (Aero weak AoE, and Stone).  I did allllll the quests I could find under lvl.15 to get the xp from quests.  I'd have my lvl.32 Ninja go and kill all the enemies and then my Conjurer turn in and get the xp, but even doing that, the Rank 1 hunting log, the lvl.1 and lvl.5 and lvl.10 class quests, the two lvl.10 guildheists and most of the Rank 2 hunting log (the last few entries are lvl.21+ and fuck trying to beat those with a lvl.12-13 conjurer with only stone for attack)...I still had to pain in the ass grind a bunch of FATES (which were actually really fun when I found ones other people were doing) and a couple Levequests.

Was just a pain in the butt.  Looking at it, Conjurer has got to be the least fun job to level early on since it's essentially the weakest offense class, yet you can't level by like healing or anything so you gotta go and kill stuff and Conjurer sucks at that.  I think there's two ways to have made this better.  One is to have waited until I got my companion chocobo and then I could have it attack and help me out on low level fates as a Conjurer, Two is to have made friends, because when you're running Fates with other people it's easy and tons of fun.  But it's hard finding active fates in your level consistently.  I guess if I was in an FC that was bigger I could ask people online in the FC if they wouldn't mind coming and helping me level my Conjurer, but I dunno the etiquette about that stuff.  I did help out the FC me and PT are in because one of the members wanted to speedrun Palace of the Dead for pure xp grind so I joined him with my Ninja for a bit.

But at the end of the day got my lvl.15 Conj and my Paladin, so while I could level up Marauder from 15->30 to get the more fun & high damage tank that is the Warrior class, after taking 2 full nights and about a 10 hour sidetrack from the main story, I'm done fucking grinding for a while.  So I'll enjoy my Ninja & Paladin and I guess at this point all that's left is to finish up the MSQ and the remaining class quests for 2.0. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 30, 2016, 03:32:20 AM
Seriously, I'm sooooooooooooo over grinding low level classes right now.  At this point I have everything combat to 15 except Lancer, Archer, Archanist.  Maybe months from now when I'm doing the 2.1-2.5 content or Heavensward I'll do them as well since it only takes like a full evening/night to do each from lvl.1, but yeah I'm good.

See when you hit lvl.15+ and you can at least do guildheists and dungeons it's fun.  Because at the end of the day my takeaway from MMOs is that leveling is fun with other players and post-lvl.15 it's relatively easy to do a lot of that.  But 1-15 is rough.  At least I finally got to explore the early level locales in Gridania since all my jobs had been in Limsa and Ul'Dah and I'd only seen the Gridania higher level areas.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 30, 2016, 05:45:02 AM
So I got my Chocobo companion and the quest talking about feeding the chocobo and stables got me googling the housing metagame.  From what I can tell, there's a bunch of useful stuff locked behind housing, however because you can buy a room in an FC, you can buy & access a lot of the stuff from within your room.  Like since you can't garden in our FC because we don't have permission to harvest, it looks like if you have your own room you can buy a flower pot and still grow feed for your chocobo.  Hmmm, also saw you can't buy your own room until lvl.50 and end of 2.0 story.  Will probably try to make that happen at that point so I have access to some of this metagame stuff like gardening and furniture.

Otoh, I sorta feel joining someone else's FC sucks.  They don't know you so they restrict all access to everything and basically you don't get to experience most of the housing stuff.  I feel like it'd almost be better to start our own FC and have a Bore house that we can all use with no restrictions.  I'm guessing that stuff costs a lot of gil so you need a lot of people contributing.  I'm kind of curious to check out some other FCs to see if they're all like the one PT & I are in, or if some of the other ones are setup differently and give you more access to the housing side.

I actually kinda like my Paladin.  It's nice for Fates or missions where my Ninja dies too easily.  Having a big hefty tank that can almost not die is sorta useful as the game ramps up difficulty a little.  Also now that I have chocobo companions I can have my chocobo attack for extra damage, or when playing ninja have my chocobo heal.  I'm also starting to grow fond of starting every Ninja battle with a giant flaming ninja star from a distance.  Definitely feel pretty OP with my 2 real jobs now + chocobo, blowing through the MSQ pretty quick and having a good time.  Still doing most of the small sidequests at each stop because hey why not.  Otherwise you're just in a place for a couple MSQs and then you never see it again, might as well do the small quests that give incentive to explore around a bit. 

Was thinking because of all the side-tracking that the MSQ is gonna take like 120+ hours, but idk, I'm going pretty quick now and I think I might finish it by 100 hours.  At 75 hours now, and MSQ is about lvl.32/50 but moving and ramping up levels quick.

Story in this game btw feels really light.  Like everything I hear about FFXV not having a lot of story, and mainly just being running around doing quests in big maps and monster hunts...sounds exactly like FFXIV!  :P  The 75 hours of MSQ I've played so far would probably be like the first 20-30 hours of a normal story-based rpg (Start out, go on small quests, meet the Scions group, primal arc 1, primal arc 2, sidetracking masked dude, primal arc 3...)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 30, 2016, 11:05:20 AM
tbh i think you have more battle classes leveled than i so already lol!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on December 30, 2016, 07:43:07 PM
They had to focus in 2.0 on making a modern, accessible and fun MMO first. I'm not sure many expected them to be able to do so with how poorly 1.0 was received. The turn around of an MMO is almost unheard of. Most just slowly die.

The story beats improve a lot as the patches move on.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on December 30, 2016, 09:46:47 PM
The story patches lead into Heavensward which is arguably the best FF story ever.
Also the story for the 2.XX raid (the Binding Coil of Bahamut) is way cooler than the main story.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 31, 2016, 01:06:01 AM
PT helped me out tonight!  Was fun :)

Also at this point lvl.35 in the MSQ, the xp gain is starting to be not really enough through nothing but MSQ so uh I'm ditching my Paladin and doing my daily roulette with my main Ninja each day until I beat the MSQ, then if I'm still playing I'm bring my Paladin up from 32->50 with daily roulletes, quests and palace of the dead.

They had to focus in 2.0 on making a modern, accessible and fun MMO first. I'm not sure many expected them to be able to do so with how poorly 1.0 was received. The turn around of an MMO is almost unheard of. Most just slowly die.

The story beats improve a lot as the patches move on.

Yeah, this makes a lot of sense.

So uh, I'm still watching all the cutscenes in dungeons and they're getting longer and longer.  I feel kinda bad because everyone is just waiting there for me when I get out.  I probably should start skipping them now, post-Titan and watching them in the Inn, right?  Even though that kinda kills the actual progression of the story.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 31, 2016, 06:44:36 AM
Had a really nice night session.  Did Qarn optional dungeon and had a great party and it was really fun and the puzzle bosses were cool.  We all wiped on the first boss because of its DOOM attack.  Then I went and hung out at the FC and had a nice chat with one of the FC leaders about various stuff, learned some good tips for fishing.  Did some fishing, some more fishing, got my fishing up from lvl.5->13.  Sometime in the night the FC gave me a promotion up a rank and now I have access to the item box which is cool.  Did some fates, a few quests.  Oh and finished the Maelstrom Rank 1 hunting log and got to Rank 4 in the starting group and got my lvl.30 Storm Sergant Ninja Blades.  Need 5,000 seals to get to the next group of ranks in the GC.

Oh and best of all I did the lvl.35 Ninja quest and got my FIRST AOE ATTACK and it's a huge fucking explosion which is absolutely rad.  Had a lot of fun running Qarn exploding groups constantly or sending lightning down on a single enemy for my strongest attack yet in the game.  Ninja is now AWESOME to play as.  Also got some nice lvl.35 Paladin loot in Qarn so when my Paladin gets up there that'll be nice.

But yeah, lots of fishing.  Fishing is great.  I wish Mining/Botany was this fun.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 01, 2017, 07:42:26 PM
Alright, so getting near the 100 hour mark and at Cortheus I've started to enjoy the story and appreciate the world building a lot more.  I can't tell if it's more interesting or if I'm just much more into medieval (or modern/sci-fi) vs standard fantasy.  I'm enjoying doing lots of the small "!" sidequests and fleshing out the areas more.  I actually may end up doing every quest in the game outside the class quests because I have no plans to level every class to 60; After I "finish" FFXIV if the only quests I'm missing are the class quests I'll probably see if I can just youtube them because if I can watch a class questline on youtube for 30-60 minutes for the entire storyline rather than spend 20-50 hours powerleveling a class to 60, I'll go with youtube.  I'm planning on getting my Ninja & Paladin to 60 and maybe Fishing since I really enjoy it, but those are probably it until I get caught up with the current story. 

My Ninja's at 38 (MSQ just hit 37 so I'm safe there) and right now I'm picking my Paladin back up and doing all the lvl.31-35 sidequests in the areas prior.  At lvl.33 now.  I actually don't mind the idea of doing the MSQ solely with my Ninja so I never get behind, but then using my Paladin to do all the sidequests along the way. 

I definitely play a way better Ninja.  I'm actually pretty awesome at playing Ninja at this point imo; I kick a lot of ass and people seem to like it when I'm in a team.  Otoh, Paladin is tough.  In the 30s my allies are strong enough to continually be pulling mobs away from me and keeping all the mobs on me and centered is really hard when the only AoE aggro I have is the dumb flash move that doesn't even do any damage.  For 1 on 1 I'm fine, but big mobs are tough.  I'm noticing more people playing as Warrior for the tank when I play my Ninja and it seems to me like in the low 30s Warrior is easy to aggro enemy groups and keep them focused.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 01, 2017, 08:44:09 PM
Hey, can someone give me a recruitment code before I subscribe for a few months?  We both get the +20%xp item if you do, right?  Will help for my lower level classes so might as well.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on January 01, 2017, 08:52:32 PM
Does it matter if we're not on the same server?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 01, 2017, 08:55:49 PM
Doesn't matter.  You just get a code from your account services on mognet and then I enter it and we both get some items.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on January 01, 2017, 09:13:36 PM
Doesn't matter.  You just get a code from your account services on mognet and then I enter it and we both get some items.
I tried finding it, but it's not there. Maybe I can't do it since my own account is a part of an invite thing already? (I used my friend's code.)

Edit: Probably won't work since my sub ran out. lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 01, 2017, 09:15:23 PM
I'll do it with you chubs
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 01, 2017, 10:31:35 PM
I'll do it with you chubs

Thanks.  I've got 10 days left on my free trial so I'll be buying a month soon.  I looked and since I never plan to make more than 1 character it seems like the "entry" sub for $12.99/month is the way to go.  I guess you can just like PM me the code when it's convenient.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 02, 2017, 06:33:47 PM
Been starting to talk to people in the community about tanking and trying different things out.  Generally doing fine, but on a controller I find cycling enemies & allies just total shit to do quickly on the fly when crazy things are happening and I start to panic when I can't target the right thing real fast and it's getting away on aggro towards party members.  I tried out KB+M and wow, after like 100 hours on controller it's really hard to adjust.  There's lots of good benefits like tab button cycling through enemies and just clicking on what you want with the mouse, but I'm finding the WASD movement and CTRL+1/2/3/4 hotbars tough to adjust to.  After like an hour with KB+M I went back to controller exclusively. 

I think I can play a good tank with a controller is I can just get the hang of cycling enemies real quick, marking enemies quick, and switching to target allies to use COVER (only reason I'd need to target an ally right now).  Otherwise I can fit everything into a couple hotbars and it's not bad.

With the default controllers, to switch an enemy while I'm fighting multiple mobs (something I constantly want to do to even out the aggro across the enemy group) I have to hold L2 or R2 while tapping R1/L1 to cycle.  There's also tapping left/right on the d-pad but it cycles through everything including allies and objects which is not good.  I wish I could just cycle with L1/R1 without having to be holding down a hotbar with R2 or L2.  I'm guessing there's an option for this because the game is insanely customizable, but because it is so customizable and it has a billion option menus it's always rough figuring out where something is hidden in the options.

The other advice I got for my rank was to up my item level on the right hand equip column of necklaces/earrings/rings/bracelets.  At lvl.36, most of those were still lvl.1 items with +1 to each stat.  So my item level was like 26.  I went to the AH and spent like 70,000 gil on the best VIT items and got my item level to 32, but basically the best items at lvl.36 right now are +2 VIT instead of my lvl.1 +1 VIT.  So despite going from 26-32 item level, all I got was like +4 or +5 VIT  out of it, and I lost some STR by doing it as well.  Doees +4/5 VIT really make much of a difference?  When my total VIT is like 220 or something that just seems so minimal I can't imagine it doing much /shrug  I'm kinda hoping I don't have to spend a lot more money to get through the 2.0 MSQ because that's when I can buy my own room for 300k and I'm saving up to hopefully be able to do that once I get to that point.  Had 220k gil, but now down to about 150k again.

I actually have the most fun playing Tank right now.  Like I said earlier I usually play glass cannon builds in games because I like exciting challenging gaming with high rewards.  Tank is kinda like that actually.  The glass part is that it's challenging and intense trying to keep aggro of all enemies at all times, and if you mess up instead of dying like a glass cannon build, you get shit on by your teammates.  The cannon/reward part is that if you run a good tank and keep everyone off your allies, people treat you well and are more friendly.  So it's pretty intense job but pulling it off is rewarding.  For solo content it kinda sucks but at least you're basically invincible lol

It'd be cool if sometime maybe some of the Bore linkshell could run a dungeon or guildheist or something to help me practice my tank more (like enemy cycling & marking).
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 02, 2017, 07:57:58 PM
up/down on d-pad targets party members based on the order they're displayed in the party list, which you can change.  For instance, when I was main tanking Turn 13 (coolest fight ever) as PLD, there was a part I'd always use Cover if a particular attack targeted one of my two melee DPS team mates.  So before the fight, I'd move the two melee DPS members up on the party list to just below me.  So it was always either one or two taps down to target auto target them and then I'd initiate Cover.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 02, 2017, 08:16:27 PM
Yeah, thanks, I actually figured that out a bit ago.  So I get in the habit of Down on D-pad -> L2 (where I have my buffs & healing) + Cover button -> Left or Right on d-pad to realign and find the right enemy (still having issues here doing this quick) -> R2 + Flash/3-hit Aggro sword combo.

How do you move which position players appear on the up/down list though? 


My lvl.36 Paladin strategy right now (since I don't have my tank stance yet as I read that's lvl.40), is buffs/debuffs -> shield lob -> flash group -> flash group -> concentrate on an enemy with 3 hit enemity combo -> cycle to next enemy and do 3 hit combo -> cycle to next enemy and do 3 hit enemity combo.   And if any enemy starts pulling away during that I do quick cycle to that enemy -> Provoke -> Shield lob to try to get them back and then usually a flash to try to keep the others still aggro-ing and then back to my 3 hit combos to each enemy to keep them on me.

The hardest part is definitely the cycling between enemies.  I really gotta mess with my targetting options in the menus.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 02, 2017, 09:01:52 PM
To edit the order of party members on PS4:
Push the Options Button --> Party --> Select the party member you want to move and press X --> move the player up or down and press X again to finalize.

btw, if an enemy gets away from you in a dungeon, don't chase after it.  Good DPS should know to run TO YOU to bring the enemy back to the group.

Sounds like you're doing pretty good.  Here's a skill that will definitely become essential for any tank as you keep playing: Snap Aggro.  Often times, in later dungeons and in Raids, an enemy will spawn mid fight (an "add").  They like to aggro the healers or ranged DPS and can wreck a party quickly if you don't take control quickly.  So... if you know an add is coming up (or if you're in an 8-man raid and need to tankswap), use Provoke in conjunction with a charged Rage of Halone (the third move in your aggro combo).  If I know an add is coming, I'll do a Fast Blade --> Savage Blade (the 1 and 2 of your three-move aggro combo) on the main monster and save the Rage of Halone for the new spawn which will try and aggro the healer.  Provoke and immediately hit the new enemy with Rage of Halone to establish snap aggro.  A more advanced way is to actually hit the Rage of Halone before the Provoke.  This works because in FFXIV, the aggro does not establish until the animation for the move is finished.  Rage of Halone has a relatively long animation.  So if you initiate Rage of Halone and immediately hit Provoke, the Provoke will take effect before the Halone animation is done.  Provoke takes you to one aggro point above the current highest party member's aggro.  And then when the Halone animation finishes, the Halone will give you a shit ton of enmity lead over the second place member on the aggro table.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 02, 2017, 09:16:24 PM
To edit the order of party members on PS4:
Push the Options Button --> Party --> Select the party member you want to move and press X --> move the player up or down and press X again to finalize.

btw, if an enemy gets away from you in a dungeon, don't chase after it.  Good DPS should know to run TO YOU to bring the enemy back to the group.

Yeah, that's what I thought but one time I had a DPS who pulled off an enemy and wouldn't bring the enemy back to me and then gave me shit about letting him take damage :|

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Sounds like you're doing pretty good.  Here's a skill that will definitely become essential for any tank as you keep playing: Snap Aggro.  Often times, in later dungeons and in Raids, an enemy will spawn mid fight (an "add").  They like to aggro the healers or ranged DPS and can wreck a party quickly if you don't take control quickly.  So... if you know an add is coming up (or if you're in an 8-man raid and need to tankswap), use Provoke in conjunction with a charged Rage of Halone (the third move in your aggro combo).  If I know an add is coming, I'll do a Fast Blade --> Savage Blade (the 1 and 2 of your three-move aggro combo) on the main monster and save the Rage of Halone for the new spawn which will try and aggro the healer.  Provoke and immediately hit the new enemy with Rage of Halone to establish snap aggro.  A more advanced way is to actually hit the Rage of Halone before the Provoke.  This works because in FFXIV, the aggro does not establish until the animation for the move is finished.  Rage of Halone has a relatively long animation.  So if you initiate Rage of Halone and immediately hit Provoke, the Provoke will take effect before the Halone animation is done.  Provoke takes you to one aggro point above the current highest party member's aggro.  And then when the Halone animation finishes, the Halone will give you a shit ton of enmity lead over the second place member on the aggro table.

Thanks, yeah I read a guide that said provoke -> shield throw to put you on top of the enemy's aggro list & then add +1 aggro to get the enemy to come back to you.  It sounds like your Rage of Halone method is better because it probably adds like +3 or something aggro when the new enemy spawns.

I'm looking forward to the Raids when all this strategy comes into play.  I hear about all these epic moments and wipes and people watching videos to learn strategy for Raids, but like so far my experience with FFXIV up through almost lvl.40 has just been "run up to a bunch of enemies and bash them while the tank keeps them occupied" and you win.  Like there hasn't been much strategy besides Qarn where you're making the stone heads fall on spots to open doors or the first boss where you run on glowing spots to get rid of the Doom status.  Also people occasionally wipe (even I've died here and there) but we just respawn and take the shortcut and end up back in the same place so it doesn't really matter.  Like the game is so player friendly at this point still 100 hours in that there's no real deeper strategy wall.

But it sounds like when you get to the lvl.60+ stuff where the current endgame is, shit gets real.  Definitely looking forward to that, but it'll be a while still.  From what I understand the lvl.50+ 2.1-2.5 stuff used to be epic challenge shit gets real, but then with lvl.60 now it's easy.  And the current lvl.60+ 3.1-3.5 crazy challenge stuff will become easy once Stormblood is out in June and brings the levels to 70.  So hopefully I catch up and get to try the 3.1-3.5 hard challenging intense stuff before Stormblood nerfs it.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 02, 2017, 09:46:52 PM
Yarp.  I don't really have time to raid these days.  But if you have the time and a good group of people to raid with, it can be super fun.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 03, 2017, 04:11:04 AM
So as I'm getting closer the end of the original game, I'm wondering how the post-game works.  It seems like the whole thing is item level based after 50, right?  And I'm guessing that means you can't do dungeons/trials or turn in quests unless you are at the required item level just like you can't with normal levels in the main game.  Now my question then, is can you play from the end of 2.0 -> the current 3.4's MSQ storyline through without grinding with one character if you just want to enjoy the story, dungeons and trails?  Or at some point in that sequence you have to start grinding to get equipment to increase your item level so you can do the next MSQ?

I see lots and lots of talk in the FC about running dungeons over and over and collecting lore to use to buy items to increase item level.  I like FFXIV and I really want to play through all the MSQ stuff, but I really don't want to grind for long periods of time.  Hoping the grind is just for like hard/extreme mode optional stuff?

*edit* reading up on it, it seems like if you don't mind being 3-6 months behind the latest content, they make it easy to get the stuff that was previously time intensive to get 3-6 months ago, and that the big time grind is really just to get strong enough to take on the highest challenge stuff at the time of release until the next update.  If that's the case then I'm ok with that and I'm ok with always being 3-6 months behind.  Heck, I'm like 4 years behind on the content I'm on and still having fun.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 03, 2017, 11:11:07 AM
Just realized that I bought FFXIV for the PS4 like two years ago and then never played it. Should I play it? I still have a free month.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 03, 2017, 11:14:11 AM
You don't need to grind for endgame tomes (currency) if you're not going to raid. Once you hit level 51, you'll be able to get decent gear for free from chests in dungeons commensurate with your level. And at 52, you can start buying gear from merchants with regular old Gil.

That being said, the best level 50 gear (either farmed from the Final Coil of Bahamut or bought with Tomes of Poetics in Mor Dhona) is so good that it will be better than anything you can buy or get in dungeons until around level 55 or so. A lot of people will never upgrade their gear until level 60 if they've already got the best-in-slot level 50 gear.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 03, 2017, 01:38:55 PM
You don't need to grind for endgame tomes (currency) if you're not going to raid. Once you hit level 51, you'll be able to get decent gear for free from chests in dungeons commensurate with your level. And at 52, you can start buying gear from merchants with regular old Gil.

That being said, the best level 50 gear (either farmed from the Final Coil of Bahamut or bought with Tomes of Poetics in Mor Dhona) is so good that it will be better than anything you can buy or get in dungeons until around level 55 or so. A lot of people will never upgrade their gear until level 60 if they've already got the best-in-slot level 50 gear.

What about if you want to do the raids but don't want to grind  :P

I'm guessing if I get up to lvl.60 from HW MSQ, I can do the lvl.50 raids?  Will I also be able to do Alexander normal?  I don't care if I'm locked out of hard/extreme.  But I do want to experience the raids.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 03, 2017, 02:14:47 PM
Loot drops from the current level 60 Expert dungeons will give you high enough iLevel to enter the first two tiers of Alexander normal mode. The current (third) normal mode of Alexander has a minimum item level that will require at least gear from Lore Tomes or a combination of Lore gear and gear dropped from the most recent 24-man raid, which shouldn't take too much grinding to get. Basically if you're running enough dungeons to fully equip your character with dungeon loot drops, you should be swimming in Lore Tomes by then anyway since the expert dungeons give Lore generously. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 03, 2017, 02:35:40 PM
Sounds good.

From reading online it seems like the biggest "grind" is that once I get to 50, I'm not going to be able to run my Ninja/Paladin side-by-side like I'm doing now because grinding a second class to 60 is slow.  So when I get both to 50 in a week or so, and then after I'm done with 2.1-2.5 and about to head to HW MSQ, I'm going to need to decide which one to take into the 50-60 MSQ march.  Tough decision.  Going back to my Ninja after a couple of days practicing and getting better with my Paladin, DPS seems kinda boring in comparison.  Here's the pros & cons as I see it right now:

Tank:
+Always exciting because every second counts and tons of pressure is on you
-If you fuck up, everyone dies
-Even if you don't fuck up, sometimes everyone dies and they blame you
-Sometimes people are dicks to you
-Most expensive class, so you'll need a lot of gil (maybe need to spend time grinding up support classes to make money on the AH).  This probably makes it the most time consuming class.  Reason being that when you're taking on a bunch of mobs, if your equipment is not up to snuff, you die.  So you need to keep your equip up.
+But you get right into any queues and everyone wants you in their party
+and people are generally nice to you when you do well
+/- solo content goes slower but is easier since you have high VIT/DEF
-You can actually get to a point where if you're not good enough, you can't progress even with a good party.

DPS (at least Ninja):
-Kinda boring once you know the rotation to do on enemies.  Mainly just doing that and picking up any stragglers.
+Gear seems less important.  If you're a bit down on ilevel, you'll do a little less damage and the fight will take an extra minute, not life or death usually.
+/- People won't really notice you or bug you if you do your job correclty
-Queues take a little longer and finding parties for Raids will be tougher
+Solo content goes quicker because you kill things faster
+Even if you're not great, you'll always be able to progress through the content with a good party.

I feel like Ninja is the way safer option to main 50-60, but Paladin would be way more fun and challenging.  Gonna be a tough decision, but it's still pretty far away.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 03, 2017, 03:17:37 PM
Tank queues are the main reason to choose PLD. Tank queues are instantaneous where as DPS queues can take up to 30 minutes depending on what you're queueing for.

Tank gear (with the exception of a few outdated sets) can be used on all three tank classes. all your left side gear as Ninja is only useable as Ninja.

BUT....!!!!!  You'll get a lot of XP from just doing the MSQ to level 60. If you plan on leveling both it might be more time efficient to use all that MSQ XP on Ninja. If you use all that free MSQ XP on PLD that means you'll be spending lots of time waiting on you DPS queues for dungeons when you level Ninja later. Level Ninja with MSQ XP and you can get insta-queues for dungeons when you level your PLD later.

tl;dr:  level NIN via MSQ and level PLD by grinding dungeons later.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 03, 2017, 03:18:47 PM
I main DRG these days when I raid but I do all my roulettes as a tank because DPS queues take too long.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 03, 2017, 03:26:28 PM
I hear that a lot, but DPS queues haven't been a problem for me at all.  Usually about 5-15 mins and I have lots to do while waiting.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 03, 2017, 04:34:12 PM
you don't need to worry about waiting till 60 to get the really good stuff bc there's tons of great level 50 content too. playing thru all the level 50 dungeons will get you tons of tomes of whatever. you can then go to mor dhona and use them to buy ironworks gear, which is i120. i believe the highest 2.x gear is i130 so in other words you'll be set. you don't even need that strong of gear for the 24 person raids bc they're not hard. the 8 person raids on the other hand are still balls-out tough and it'll take some work to assemble a party that'll run thru it synced with you (though I will absolutely come along for that ride).
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 03, 2017, 05:12:14 PM
Yeah, that sounds good.

I'm planning on using the duty finder to play with random people on the raids like I do in the dungeons so far.  I know that's a bad idea, but it's easy and until I get to the point where we start losing I might as well just stick with that.  If I hit a wall, then I'll have to actually ask around and try to find a party to run the raids.  But thankfully it seems that outside of the optional raids, I can do the rest of the content just using duty finder.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 04, 2017, 01:38:48 AM
So I don't really buy this "MSQ has enough xp", when I encountered my first time the MSQ caught up and passed me at lvl.35 I wrote if off as the game probably meant for me to be 2-3 levels ahead of MSQ and I was only keeping 1 level ahead of MSQ while giving some of the xp to my alt.  But then I got like 2-3 levels ahead of the MSQ with my rogue, haven't given a single MSQ since ~32 to my alt, I've done a handful of Coerthus optional quests with my Rogue while doing all the MSQ and doing the hunting logs (at the final rank 5 now), a bunch of Fates that I've run across and the optional dungeons...and I've still hit blocks twice where I fall about a half level short of the next MSQ.  Caught up yesterday by doing duty finder dungeon/guildheist, then fell short again today and caught up again doing the duty finder dungeon/guildheist.

Reading Lodestone and looking at the list of MSQ, the problem is that around lvl.35+there cases where there's only like 3-4 MSQs before it jumps a level and those are paying out like 25k xp at best so 100k but it's 250k per level at this point.  Now that I'm getting into the story was kinda hoping I could just run through the rest without doing duty finder dungeon 30 min grinds each day but eh, guess not.  I've hit the point where I feel like duty finder roulette dungeon runs are a bullshit grind and basically a waste of time each day but you need the xp.  Now I see why most people in a dungeon just want to run through to the end because it stops being fun going back 20 levels when you're missing most of your attacks/skills and doing an old dungeon with loot 20 levels below anything you can use.  Basically feels like a forced grind ><

Cutters Dry was a pretty boring dungeon with a cool boss.  About to do the Stone Vigil at lvl.41 now.  Was a little bummed the lvl.40 Ninja ability is useless in battle (teleporting) at least with a controller it's a pain in the butt to position and everything blocks your way.  Was hoping to get some new ninja magics, but I guess I gotta wait until lvl.45 or 50 and keep cycling my AoE explosion and high damage lightning mudra for another 10 hours.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 04, 2017, 02:51:44 AM
Stone Vigil was alright.  Fun boss with the ice dodging but dungeon is pretty standard.  I'm actually noticing a pattern now that the dungeons all kinda feel the same, tank runs up and grabs mobs, DPS and tank and kill them, healer heals...repeat for 25 mins -> cool boss fight.  Although it's probably because playing DPS with a good tank is boring, no one attacks you and you just beat up dudes from their backs and dodge AoE attacks.  Still, I wanna finish the story at this point so gonna stick to the MSQ and finish it as my Ninja and then I'll go back and get my Paladin up to 50.  Seeing some of these lvl.40 tanks running through the map grabbing like 8 guys at a time...yeah I definitely have a ways to go with improving my tank skills.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 04, 2017, 03:20:14 AM
So I have a pet theory on why the game seems pretty easy.  When I google about stuff I'm experiencing in the game, most of the results are from like 3 years ago.  Reading posts from that time, my conclusion is that FFXIV's userbase is not casual anymore.  Like back 3 years ago, a lot of people were giving FFXIV a shot and new to the game, so you'd get matched in a dungeon with people who were not good at videogames and your healer or tank would wipe and everyone would die.  But now, I'd say my experience on the server and looking at people in town's stats, like 95% of players in the world are lvl.50-60 right now, which means that the majority of players you're going to be teamed up with in a dungeon people who've played anywhere from 200-2,000 hours of FFXIV and know how to play by now.  And I don't see it ever going back to the "playing with a bunch of newbie people and dying all the time" because even though when a new expansion comes out the dungeons/bosses are new experiences, it's still going to be doing them with people with 200-2,000 hours under their belt who know how to play the game and their roles.  It's never going to go back to half my team or more is terrible at videogames and doesn't know how to play their role.

Which is fine, I mean who wants to play with random groups that are terrible.  But yeah, my experience playing dungeons is that the people I play with a fucking good almost all the time and it makes the dungeons fairly easy so far through lvl.41 stuff.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 04, 2017, 06:32:11 PM
Yeah, I was looking at the expert dungeons and I'm impressed how much is different.  It's not just some stat buffs and a new boss.  It's like totally new boss and mini-boss situations.  Looking forward to them.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 04, 2017, 07:13:46 PM
Also I'm getting kind of burnt out on the abominably slow pace of the MSQ.  I know people were saying it picks up after Titan, and it's certainly more interesting in Coerthas, but it's still like everytime you go meet a new NPC for something urgent they first send you on 5-10 fetch quests before they'll listen to your case and help you.  Getting pretty tired of that.  Just feels like you have one story beat movement and then a bunch of filler, 1 story beat, bunch of filler, repeat.  I don't really like how every dungeon/trial, major event is like 4 levels apart.  Hell, between Titan 34 there's nothing story-wise until Stone Vigil at 41, just the optional Cutters Dry at 38.  Ideally I would have liked a new dungeon or primal every 2 levels in the MSQ to keep in more exciting.  It certainly seems from the overall list of Dungeons/Primals in ARR that there's plenty, but they're mostly backloaded so the MSQ is super padded.

I think at this point I'm going to keep playing and power through 2.5.  Then take a break for a month or two and then come back and do Heavensward + 3.1-3.5.  That way I'll be caught up before Stormblood in the summer.  When I subbed I just did the monthly sub, so if I finish 2.5 by the end of Jan I'll probably unsub for a month or two and then resub again to do HW->Stormblood.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 04, 2017, 07:30:39 PM
"i don't trust you! run these three errands for me before I listen to you!" "oh you're finished? and you're here about x? why didn't you say so sooner??"

FUCK YOU GAME

you should definitely play through the 2.x updates tho. the msq still has plenty of padding, but everything else is top notch. the gameplay really hits its stride. also iirc you have access to a bunch of new dungeons as soon as you finish 2.0 msq.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on January 04, 2017, 08:36:03 PM
Oh fuck, I forgot about Stormblood. I'm still on the 7th Era MSQs so I'm feeling pretty demotivated right now, even HS seems too far away. It's really boring to play alone now, which is why I haven't re-subbed for a while. :( Also started playing a little WoW again.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 04, 2017, 08:56:04 PM
Oh fuck, I forgot about Stormblood. I'm still on the 7th Era MSQs so I'm feeling pretty demotivated right now, even HS seems too far away. It's really boring to play alone now, which is why I haven't re-subbed for a while. :( Also started playing a little WoW again.

Play with me?  I'll get to 7th Era in the next two weeks.  PT also has a character around my level right now at 41 and then some 60s.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on January 04, 2017, 11:58:04 PM
Oh fuck, I forgot about Stormblood. I'm still on the 7th Era MSQs so I'm feeling pretty demotivated right now, even HS seems too far away. It's really boring to play alone now, which is why I haven't re-subbed for a while. :( Also started playing a little WoW again.

Play with me?  I'll get to 7th Era in the next two weeks.  PT also has a character around my level right now at 41 and then some 60s.
You seem to be playing when it's daytime for me. :( Usually I play stuff from 7 PM JST which is 5 AM to you. lol That's why I didn't go to Hyperion, because most of you seem to live in the same timezone.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 05, 2017, 01:23:36 AM
Ah, yeah that makes sense.  I usually play like 8pm PST-midnight PST.   :'(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 05, 2017, 03:56:24 AM
Stuck again at lvl.43 with Garuda being lvl.44.  MSQ giving less and less XP and making you grind between story quests :( 

There were exactly 4 lvl.43 MSQs that gave 25k xp each for 100k xp total.  There was like 1 sidequest along the way at the Twelveswood that gave another 10k.  I'm at 134k xp, but to get to lvl.44 and do the next MSQ you need 374k xp...so only like 1/3rd through lvl.43 bar and 250k xp to go.  Basically gotta do a Duty Roullete dungeon & probably a Palace of the Dead run, but too tired to do an old-dungeon re-run.

This MSQ design where you need to do a bunch of grinding between story quests, when the story isn't even all that exciting and is totally padded anyways is just ugh.  Makes me really not enjoy the MSQ.  Is Heavensward better about that?  Like if you stick to the MSQ in Heavensward does it pretty much take you to 60?  I know that doing 2.1-2.5 is supposed to get you to about lvl.52 before HW MSQ even starts which should help.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 05, 2017, 04:22:17 AM
Also did my first 8 man party with the lvl.40 Guildheist (final one).  Was total chaos.  I said hi but no one else said a word, no coordination, everywhere just running wherever.  Is that how 8 man party stuff is gonna be with randoms?  Because 4 man parties have been pretty tightly knit with random people so far since everyone depends on each other.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 05, 2017, 05:16:20 AM
I think tbh, so far Coerthas is the only part of the entire game I've liked so far.  It's just such a different design. 

-For starters it's one big area that you progress through.  This is as opposed to the rest of the MSQ where you teleport all around the world constantly (sometimes 3-4 times just for 1 quest!).  This is nice because A) There's a real sense of progression that I didn't feel in the rest of the world because instead of areas getting gradually more difficult it'd be like lvl.10 area -> lvl.30 area because lvl.20 area is somewhere else, and B) Because it's a single area with a consistent lvl.35-41 across it, you constantly are running into well populated fates because there's lots of people around your level in the area.  Everywhere else in the game the fates are usually empty because people pop in an area for 2 mins to do a quest and then teleport out to the next area for their next quest.  Basically I think the world progression design in FFXIV is pretty stupid, but Coerthas is good and it's works much better because of it.

-It's also the only part of the story with like actual characters.  The different houses, the character within them.  It's not super deep or original but at least there's some character development as opposed to all of these places you just hop around to for 1-2 levels of questing before you move to the next.  Again, I think this is another victim of the world design and by Coerthas being a single area you stay in for 10+ hours, you get the benefits of an actual developed area from a lore and character setting.

-It's also one of the only story parts to have an actual antagonist so far.  Yeah there's the MSQ antagonist in black hood, but that's like over a 100+ hour story.  It's nice having a shorter contained story arc with a bad guy.

-And then it looks cool and has cool music.

But yeah, since Heavensward is about these Ishagardian guys and that's the only interesting part of 2.0 I can see HW being good.  I was bummed after leaving Coerthas when the MSQ was like "now let's warp around doing dumb corrupted crystal filler quests before you can go fight Garuda".
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 05, 2017, 01:21:44 PM
Also did my first 8 man party with the lvl.40 Guildheist (final one).  Was total chaos.  I said hi but no one else said a word, no coordination, everywhere just running wherever.  Is that how 8 man party stuff is gonna be with randoms?  Because 4 man parties have been pretty tightly knit with random people so far since everyone depends on each other.

Guildhests are a vestige from 1.0. The only reason people still do them is to farm a mentor roulette to get a mount. Most2.xx  8-man trials can be done with little to no coordination too. Neither those nor Hildegard are indicative of the real 8-man experience later in the game.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 05, 2017, 06:01:28 PM
In my spare time I'm reading all the various guides for endgames.  Like how to get crafting/fishing/mining to lvl.60, zodiac weapons, ilevel gear progression.  Everything sounds like a huge grind  :'(  People are saying play a bunch of crappy PvP to grind or Palace of the Dead over and over again (which is mindlessly dull).  This sounds like a second job.  I'm kinda starting to regret having started this game.  As someone who hates grinding in single player games and hates padding/waste of time in games, this doesn't seem for me.

Since I've invested such a huge commitment of time already (this is almost the longest game I've ever played in my life at this point.  I think the longest prior was like 120-130 hours in Xenoblade), I've got to at least go through the 3.0 MSQ of Heavensward to see this great FF adventure everyone has hyped up.  But if 2.1-> the end of 3.0 doesn't grab me and make me a fan I'll probably bail out at that point.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 05, 2017, 07:28:09 PM
bruh wtf :lol why are you even looking into crafting, zodiacs, second jobs, palace of the dead? all that stuff is INTENTIONALLY grindy. this isn't the kind of game where you can do and see everything unless you wanna put in a huge time commitment. gotta pick and choose. no reason to jump into a bunch of grinds especially if yr not planning on paying long - term
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 05, 2017, 09:18:05 PM
bruh wtf :lol why are you even looking into crafting, zodiacs, second jobs, palace of the dead? all that stuff is INTENTIONALLY grindy. this isn't the kind of game where you can do and see everything unless you wanna put in a huge time commitment. gotta pick and choose. no reason to jump into a bunch of grinds especially if yr not planning on paying long - term

^
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 05, 2017, 09:22:46 PM
the 3.0 MSQ is one of my favorite FF stories ever.  Also, the 2.XX raid story is up there as well and tells you what happens to that big dragon you see in the 2.XX opening cutscene.  For the 2.XX raid story, I'd wait until you're level 60 and then organize a group of folks to take you through the turns unsynced.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 05, 2017, 10:58:30 PM
but still, crafting is only worthwhile if you're playing long term. gets you great money, fun glamour, etc, but that stuff is only cool if you're hanging around the game all the time.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 05, 2017, 11:50:31 PM
Yeah I don't care about glamour and money well money is helpful when I'm under equipped although why can't I even buy green/pink uniques on the marketplace that feels so weird coming from Diablo.

The thing is even if it's just "run your dailies" the daily roulette is burning me out.  Dungeons are usually 30 mins and the queue is about 15, so if I only have 2 hours to play in a night, an hour of that is re-running an old dungeon which might be one I don't even like, getting old loot that I don't need and making no story progress, just gaining like 3/4ths a level.  It's not a huge amount of work, but doing it regularly feels draining and a grind.

Fwiw, when I really enjoy the game it's when I don't care about levels and xp and I just go around and have fun.  I do some fishing, I cook some cuisine, I hang out at the golden saucer, I do some side quests and talk to NPCs, I hang out with the FC and chat, I do some old dungeon re-runs; it's fun.  When it's not fun is when I can't do the next MSQ so I feel like gotta grind to get their and then it's just work.  I guess when I hit lvl 50 and xp stops mattering that part might get better.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 06, 2017, 04:04:20 AM
https://youtu.be/4kA9aAdIDG0

Patch trailer for 3.5. A nice glimpse for the type of battle content that you start getting once you reach level 50 and onward
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 06, 2017, 04:30:16 AM
Had some good times with PT tonight.  Then went and unlocked the Beast Tribe Quests.  This stuff should've been part of the story.  Actually developing these tribes and giving them characters would have added a lot to the world/story, but better late than never.  I did the Ixali and Amaja ones and a couple quests for each.  Pretty neat and hey wow I found a way to get ventures so I can start sending my retainer on assignments again, yay.  Plus the 5k+ xp on the Ixali ones per quest or turn in is really helpful for leveling these < lvl.15 crafting jobs.  And you get to build an airship, cool.

So the sightseeing log is shit.  Which is a shame because I like treasure hunting and tower climbing in sandbox games.  Deciphering the clues and going around and looking out at the various places could have been fun.  But the short time windows + weather requirements are totally stupid and fuck the whole thing up.  Without a guide they're impossible since you don't know the time window even if you figure out the spot.  And with a guide it's just a checkbox list.  What a waste of a potential fun side thing to do.  Apparently it's been there for 2 years now and no one likes it.  You think they'd have implemented some changes by now...

Got to lvl.44 and then some.  I unlocked Darkhold in Coerthas.  Next time I play I'll do Garuda MSQ and Darkhold and get everything moving again.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 06, 2017, 04:43:46 AM
The 2.x sightseeing log is a lost cause, but the version implemented for 3.x zones is much better. No dumb weather/time requirements, and there's a visible icon on the spots where you need to stand rather than having to do it purely by guesswork. They give a nice xp reward on the way to level 60 too.

As a forewarning, once you get to the story level 50 dungeons (Castrum Meridanium and the Praetorium), ask for someone on the linkshell to do the dungeons with you. Those dungeons are the only instance in all of FFXIV where very long cutscene got placed in the middle of a dungeon, making it so most newbies are left behind and locked out of fights before they're done watching them, missing out on the whole thing. It's best to do those with friends who're willing to wait while you watch all thelse events occur.

It's the first and only they where they make dungeons like that, with everyour story dungeon afterward putting the longer scenes before or after the dungeon is done.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 06, 2017, 05:01:46 AM
Oh, that sounds like they fixed sightseeing in 3.0.  Cool.  Too bad about the 2.0 log.  Yeah, the 2.0 log doesn't even give rewards wtf!  It's really badly implemented.

For the last 2 dungeons in 2.0 I'm planning on just watching the cutscenes first time and then doing them again skipping the cutscenes to do the gameplay stuff.  I really don't see myself being able to get 8 people together to do a "watch the cutscenes" play.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 06, 2017, 01:34:56 PM
There's actually already a feature in game that lets you queue up for any 2.x instance  (dungeon, trials, etc) without adhering to either party number requirements or level sync, so you don't even need 8 people. No harm in asking people in the bore LS to tag along of we're available.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 06, 2017, 03:00:39 PM
When PT and me played last night we did these Fates in Coerthas that chained one after another so you'd finish one and the next would start and you'd be gaining more players as you went along until the final Fate was against some big tough mob where you need a ton of people and by that time you actually have them.  Was well designed and a lot of fun.  And we did all this while waiting in a duty finder queue.  And then we got into Qarn which at this point is my favorite dungeon in the game since it's a puzzle dungeon which always keeps it fun with new groups as opposed to just beating up mobs dungeon.  Was good fun. 

I think that's the one issue I have with the duty finder, but I get why it can't be changed.  Sometimes you get a dungeon/trial that you like or haven't done in a while and it's fun.  Sometimes you get a dungeon you really don't care for 3 times in a row and it feels like work.  But they have to have it that way or newcomers would never be able to find a team on the shittier dungeons. 

I like that the Ixali beast tribe has crafting quests.  I wish there were more crafting/gathering quests outside of generic leves.  I was reading some thread I found in google on ideas for making crafting/gathering more fun like the battle classes and people were suggesting crafting/gathering fates where you need to supply people who are fighting.  Or mixed Crafting/Battle 8 player dungeons, 4 battle, 4 crafters were the crafters/gathers have to keep the battle members supplied.  Some really creative ideas and it made me think that yeah it'd be cool if they put more gameplay stuff into Crafting/Gathering classes. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on January 06, 2017, 07:05:01 PM
Is that the chain that leads to killing some dragon mother? That's a fun FATE
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 06, 2017, 07:06:29 PM
Yesssss

It's a really great idea.  Start out with an easy fate then have another one spawn once it finishes at the same spot that's a little tougher and keep snowballing them as you collect more and more players until the final one which is tough and needs a bunch of people.  Things like that really strike me as great game design.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 07, 2017, 02:52:10 AM
Finished the intro to all the Beast Tribes, lots of great writing in there.  These parts like the loser Kobold squad feel more FF than anything else in the game to me.  Got to 46, did my Job lvl.45 quest and got JOB GEAR well except they don't give you the main body piece so I look like a weird half-ass ninja until I get to 50.  Did Dzmael Darkhold with a tank who it was also his first time there.  Our healer and bard were not impressed lol.  We were extra nice to them and the healer was cool but the bard was sorta -_- Tank kept pulling way too many mobs and we'd wipe a bunch.

So now at lvl.46, I have tons of abilities between job and class, but I feel like most of them are useless :|  Like I just got a lvl.46 Rogue ability that combos following my combo attack 1, which does the same damage as my other combo attack 2 + adds DoT of 40, but then I can't follow it up with my high damage combo #3 attack and have to start the 3 part chain over.  Also I'm not sure what the point of some of these ninja magics are like the Ice one that doesn't do much damage but binds.  Mainly just casting Huton (-15% skill speed for all skills) then sticking to my AoE fireball or single enemy 320 damage lightning attack while keeping mutilate DoT on the enemy and doing my Combo 1->2->3 while buffing.  At this point or at least by lvl.50 I should check out a Ninja guide to see how I should be playing the job now.

Oh, I've also started getting addicted to GC supply turn ins.  The XP is good for all my crafting/gathering jobs so each day at the start I'm turning in all the stuff and some of my crafting/gathering jobs gain a level without me having to do anything or do much.  Pretty cool.  I do daily GC supply turn ins, mini-cactpot at golden saucer, daily guildheist, daily dungeon when I sign in if I'm going to play a decent length session.

Now that I'm done with all the side-stuff that opened up at lvl.44, time to do Garuda and story for a bit until it jumps to lvl.49.  Probably won't get to 49 just from the story (slight into lvl.46 now), but hopefully it'll get me within a level or so and then I'll do dailies tomorrow & Palace of the Dead and hit 49, then final 2.0 MSQ stuff.  Probably finish the 2.0 MSQ this weekend and hit lvl.50.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 07, 2017, 03:57:52 AM
Read up on the lvl.50 NIN rotations and got some good ideas from it even if I'm missing the last couple major attacks.  Now I just gotta figure out how to map all this shit onto 1 main hotbar since I'm playing with a controller lol

Also I want to do a special shout out for how broken PvP Triple Triad is all because it's missing one two second programming bit.  Ok so I dunno how much you all play Triple Triad, but there's basically like 3 ranks:

Rank 1 - Can use a single 1-5 star rated card, the rest of your deck has to be nothing but 1-star cards that suck
Rank 2 - Can use a single 1-5 star rated card, the rest of your deck has to be nothing but 1-2 star cards, 2 star being decent  (Rank 2 is obtained by gathering 30 unique cards which takes a bit of time)
Rank 3 - Can make your own deck with no limitations, so nothing but 5 star cards?  Sure! (Rank 3 is obtained by gathering either 50 or 60 unique cards which is a huge amount of work; also if you want the best 5-star cards deck, this rank is all about grinding and spending money to buy the best cards)

A player with a rank 3 deck will almost always beat rank 2 who will almost always beat rank 1.  And I feel like even rank 3 vs rank 3 players will come down to whose grinded & spent the most money on the best cards a lot of the time.

Ok, now if you're still with me, all you have to do to make PvP triple triad fun is when you challenge someone to a match and you're setting up the rule sets (there's a bunch) there should be a rule that says "rank 2 decks only" or "rank 1 decks only".  This way someone whose been playing Triple Triad for 10-20 hours can still play against someone whose played for 200 hours and still have a competitive match.  But from what I could tell that option isn't there.  And almost every human player you find in the triple triad battlehall is a lvl.60 player with a rank 3 deck.  So even though I've put like 20+ hours into triple triad probably and have a pretty good rank 2 deck, I have basically no chance against any of these human people since my deck of 2-star cards + a single 5-star card just can't hold up to their nothing but 5-star cards.  They've basically made human triple triad matches nothing but endgame only, and there's no one to play on a mostly fair playing ground until there which sucks because if I could play other humans on a level playing ground I would be playing a ton of triple triad.  The computer is kinda bs depending on the ai of the npc and their deck, so human players would be much more fun but I can't really play against anyone because they didn't put a rank limiting option into the rule options :(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 07, 2017, 10:50:32 PM
You're a little off there with Triple Triad. Rank 3 decks can have as many 3*s as they want, but only one 4-5*. If anything, people want that restriction lessened because 4* cards are utterly worthless, since why would you ever use one over a 5*?

(http://i.imgur.com/Y8RdiOS.png)

NPC fights are where the true bullshit lies, since they don't follow these card rules and can often have as many 5* cards as they want to on top of the rules stacked against you. Bitch in Gold Saucer that has a deck with three 5* and four 4* but you have to play with Random (can't pick your cards) and Chaos (you can only play one card per turn, is also random).
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 08, 2017, 04:43:00 AM
Ah, yeah but still a rank 3 player is going to beat a rank 2 player almost every time.  There should just be an option in PvP to limit it to rank 1 or rank 2 decks so everyone can play everyone at the lowest rank of one of the players.  As a rank 2 triple triad player with 40 unique cards now I've yet to run into a single non-rank 3 triple triad player.  Then again I've yet to run into a single person in the battlehall that isn't lvl.60.


I'm almost done with 2.0.  Just hit lvl.48, and have 14 MSQs left, 4 dungeons, 2 trials.  Might be able to fit all that in tomorrow + daily roullettes, but might take me 2 or 3 days still.  I got Aurum Vale (which is the next dungeon I need to do) in my daily roullette but then everyone abandoned.  Not sure if people don't like the dungeon or if they didn't want to do it with a new person.  Or maybe just bad connections.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 08, 2017, 09:55:24 AM
lol aurum vale is the most hated dungeon in the game. it sucks.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 08, 2017, 10:16:30 AM
I love how beps went from nothing to reading about rotation in weeks

meanwhile it took over 240 hours just to get to level 60 in wow  :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 08, 2017, 10:11:10 PM
Ok, got to the lvl.46->49 jump in MSQ right at the very end.  Luckily at lvl.48 by now and like 80% through the xp bar.  If I do my daily for the day it'll get me to 49 and I can do the last 8 MSQs + final 2 dungeons.

Story has gotten a lot better now, especially in presentation.  The voice acted cutscenes are definitely a nice improvement.  Story is nothing original, but it's a solid rpg endgame now compared to the first half where your'e just running around.  I think the big difference is having party members in the last 1/3rd or so with Cid and crew.  Having people you stick with who talk in the quest cutscenes over time develops the characters into characters you actually like.  Looking forward to the endgame.

One thing that's kinda dumb is how some of the major locations don't have warp points.  The Walking Sands absolutely needs a warp point.  Riding a chocobo from Horizon to Walking Sands everytime gets really old. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 08, 2017, 10:14:29 PM
Aurum Vale is a great dungeon. But everyone hates it because it's the only dungeon in the game to date that will wipe your entire party to trash mobs in the very first room unless all four players know what they're doing. And it will wipe you multiple times. The second boss also has a move that will one-shot kill a party member or your entire team if you don't know how to avoid it. Other than that, it goes by pretty quickly. I always say they should make a new Aurum Vale Savage Mode!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 08, 2017, 10:19:45 PM
One thing that's kinda dumb is how some of the major locations don't have warp points.  The Walking Sands absolutely needs a warp point.  Riding a chocobo from Horizon to Walking Sands everytime gets really old.

I'm about to change your world.


-Port to Lisma Lominsa.

-Use any of the Aethernet Shards to port to the Arcanists Guild.

-Turn left and take the ferry to Vesper Bay.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 08, 2017, 10:23:33 PM
lol aurum vale was one of the few dungeons that never got a hard mode

and it never will

(i don't mind it much tbh)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 08, 2017, 11:18:42 PM
AV never got a hard mode because AV itself is a remake of 1.0's AV, which was totally different. The dev team figured that remaking the dungeon a third time wouldn't be wholly interesting.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 08, 2017, 11:31:20 PM
I thought AV was solid when I did it today.  Had a good team though and before each boss they'd explain the mechanics.  I actually thought all 3 bosses were cool and had neat gimmicks.  The main thing I noticed was the tank played the dungeon very carefully, only pulling 3-4 enemies as a time compared to pther dungeons where I see the tank run through the first 1/10th of fhe dungeon pulling 10-12 enemies before stopping and fighting them.

One thing that's kinda dumb is how some of the major locations don't have warp points.  The Walking Sands absolutely needs a warp point.  Riding a chocobo from Horizon to Walking Sands everytime gets really old.

I'm about to change your world.


-Port to Lisma Lominsa.

-Use any of the Aethernet Shards to port to the Arcanists Guild.

-Turn left and take the ferry to Vesper Bay.

Oh shit, didn't think about that.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 08, 2017, 11:48:15 PM
AV never got a hard mode because AV itself is a remake of 1.0's AV, which was totally different. The dev team figured that remaking the dungeon a third time wouldn't be wholly interesting.

wow neat. I never looked up what dungeons were in 1.0

actually now that I think about it I saw people saying 1.0 didn't start to get good till Ifrit was added in, which made me think, what the hell was the msq in the box release of 1.0? i cannot find a story summary of anything besides what yoshi p added. need to go on YouTube and find some lets plays. if they had them back then.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 09, 2017, 01:05:23 AM
The Rise and Fall of Final Fantasy XIV (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLL5QTV3Hk60ag1MsSoox4HT5oBemN23vr) is detailing the more general gameplay centric aspects of 1.0.

Ethys Asher did a thorough retrospective on 1.0's story, (https://youtu.be/DjZgp8mUrog) as well as a complete detailing of The Binding Coil of Bahamut's story (https://youtu.be/fKYiat0glCQ), including the 1.0 part of it.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 09, 2017, 02:09:37 AM
Took out the lvl.49 boss trial.  That was lame as fuck!  Being an 8-person trial, I don't even know if the boss had any cool boss music, I don't know if the boss had any interesting mechanics like the primal fights, I don't really know anything about the fight because all I saw was 7 other guys engulfing the one target and its HP going to 0 in like under a minute.

Comparing this to when I did my daily roulette and got the Garuda trial, and even with a party who is mostly max sync and who knew how to do the battle, it was still really challenging epic fight.  Our tank died about halfway and I made it as the DPS until like the boss had less than 5% HP and the other DPS/healer just barely finished the boss off before they died.  If that fight goes along a while and all the rocks are gone, it gets pretty rough at the end.

But then you have this dude whose one of the MAIN BOSSES of the MSQ and all you do is run up and gang-shank him in a minute.  No strategy, no challenge, nothing.  I imagine if this was a 4-person fight it'd have been doable and probably a challenge.  Like my experience with the 8-person guildheist, I'm not feeling these 8-person parties.  Just seems too easy whereas 4 person is a good setup with a good challenge.  But I'll take your word that the 8-person raids put up a real challenge despite 8 people.  From what I've read it sounds like the 24 person raids are basically like the 8 person trials/guildheists I've just experienced where there's way too many people and so it's easy because throw enough overpowered people at something and it'll make up for any deficiencies that some players may bring to the party.

So I'm running a few quest errands in North Thanalan right before the final 2 dungeons.  Halfway through lvl.49.  Might try to get to lvl.50 and do the lvl.50 class quests before the final 2 dungeons.  Not looking forward to the dungeons because it sounds like it'll just be an 8 person destroying everything no challenge speedrun.  It is what it is.  I probably do it tomorrow night.

*edit* I did like the lead up to the lvl.49 Cape Westwind trial fight.  Infiltrating the overworld base a bit and fighting enemies to get to the gate to trigger the boss fight.  I kind of wish the game had more non-ID overworld dungeons because I think the seamlessness of going into and through and overworld dungeon is pretty cool.  That stuff reminds me of how Xenoblade handles it.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 09, 2017, 02:40:57 AM
24-man raids become face rolls once people start out-gearing them.  But when they first come out, they're legit challenges.  Anyone who was around when some of them first dropped can tell you they are no joke when the community is still learning them and at minimum item-level.  Hell, I still see raid-wide wipes in the first boss of Labyrinth of the Ancients (the very first 24-man raid they released) because people think they can ignore mechanics.  People still wipe occasionally on the last boss of Labyrinth of the Ancients too.  Syrcus Tower is the easiest 24-man raid, but still has some fun mechanics.  People still wipe on the first and last boss of World of Darkness.  Void Ark was painful when it was released.  And there's a reason people call The Weeping City of Mhach (the most current 24-man raid) "The Wiping City of Mhach."
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 09, 2017, 02:57:46 AM
One more reason to catch up then.  I can't wait to start wiping as strange as it sounds.  The most fun I've had so far have been the bosses my party's wiped on like first boss of Qarn.  It's fun wiping and figuring out the strategy.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 09, 2017, 03:12:25 AM
You know I'm kinda torn as the bosses are getting more complex & interesting now.  Going in blind is cool and trying to figure it out, but since I don't want to be a burden I tell my party it's my first time in the dungeon and someone usually explains all the mechanics which helps me do fine and the team does fine but there's no learning challenge.

I probably should be a dick and just wing it and if we wipe I can apologize after :|
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 09, 2017, 04:05:30 AM
All future trials from your point onward are 8 man affairs, but Cape Westwind is a special case. If you think it was a joke now, it was as much of a joke when it first came out. Complete faceroll, with no real mechanics to worry about. None of the fights that actuslly require you to be level 50 and onward are like that.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 09, 2017, 04:18:32 AM
Do they actually balance the difficulty for 8 people though?  Because so far in the two 8 person events I've done there's no reason mechanically you couldn't do them with 4 people.  Although I guess the guild heist one the extra people count is because you have to defend the objects from multiple groups so maybe that would be rough with 4.  Like with 8 people parties I'd expect multiple big hitter enemies at one time that a single tank can't survive so the 2 tanks need to divide the aggro.  More adds and event specific actions all 4 DPS jobs need to do.  While healers are keeping everyone alive.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 09, 2017, 07:37:39 AM
the final two dungeons in 2.0 are my least favorite in the entire game. they put in a million cutscenes that other players expect you to skip, and then the level itself is extremely easy so you don't need to learn the mechanics. you will seriously just be running and trying to keep up the whole time. I hate hate hate those dungeons.

everything afterwards tho came after they were able to take player feedback into account  and is much better designed. the 8 player trials in the msq trend to stay easy bc they want everyone to be able to clear them (although NOTHING is as easy as poor Rhitahtyn), but they all have harder optional fights. the three 2.0 primals have hard mode fights that are also easy, but anything in the game labeled Extreme will be hard as balls. you will have to know the mechanics of you will die, and you will prolly cause your whole party to die too. that said, i still find it more fun to go in blind and learn as I go :) just never ever do that as a tank or everyone will fucking hate you.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 09, 2017, 12:06:34 PM
3.4-3.5-ish have two mandatory MSQ 8-man trials that people still wipe on.  The Chrysalis and The Steps of Faith.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 09, 2017, 12:10:17 PM
o God the chrysalis. parties still usually abandon most of the time I get that in roulette.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 09, 2017, 01:32:08 PM
Also, the music's gotten a lot better.  I really like the Garuda battle track and the overworld empire base music is good too.  Definitely feeling the improvement.

The Rise and Fall of Final Fantasy XIV (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLL5QTV3Hk60ag1MsSoox4HT5oBemN23vr) is detailing the more general gameplay centric aspects of 1.0.

Ethys Asher did a thorough retrospective on 1.0's story, (https://youtu.be/DjZgp8mUrog) as well as a complete detailing of The Binding Coil of Bahamut's story (https://youtu.be/fKYiat0glCQ), including the 1.0 part of it.

After I finish the 2.0 MSQ, if I want to avoid spoilers, can I watch those except for the Binding Coil one?  Very curious to learn more about 1.0 at this point.  I've been watching some FFXI videos to compare and yeah, uh, coming from the interface and player accessibility of FFXIV, I could never play FFXI after this.  Instead I'm gonna watch the 80 hour long "FFXI - The Movie" that's on youtube.  I've actually already started it and am a bit in. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 09, 2017, 02:34:45 PM
Definitely brush up on the 1.XX story (and rewatch the 2.XX opening cinematic) before you start the Binding Coil. Binding Coil has the best storyline in 2.XX. It explains what that giant red moon is that fell down at the end of 1.XX.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 09, 2017, 02:53:40 PM
Yes, 8 man trials are balanced around 8 people, specially when doing them synced. There are some trials that are just not going to be as tough now as they were when they came out (specially the Garuda/Titan/Ifrit hard mode trio), but they don't melt in less than a minute like Cape Westwind's. That fight is just abnormally easy. Even ones you fight later as part of the MSQ won't feel as difficult as Garuda normal was, but you will still get to see their full set of mechanics and signature attacks rather than the zergfest that is Cape Westwind and the 8man guildhest (both of which aren't very good).

Also, the music's gotten a lot better.  I really like the Garuda battle track and the overworld empire base music is good too.  Definitely feeling the improvement.

That's because you're starting to get to the big shift in composers. A lot of the early 2.0 tracks, including the very vanilla dungeon theme that all the Level 1-49 dungeons and Ifrit use, are carryovers from 1.0 and composed by Uematsu. While good, they all tend to sound kind of samey and fail at giving dungeons their own flair and tune.

As you progress though, the game's true musical savant, Masayoshi Soken, starts to peek through. He did the FATE music and a lot of the new overworld tunes, and by the point you're at, the Titan and Garuda themes. As both 2.x and then 3.x carry out, he just goes balls out with the soundtrack, giving every new dungeon unique music, and changing up genres and styles for every new trial. You're in for a treat in that regard.

After I finish the 2.0 MSQ, if I want to avoid spoilers, can I watch those except for the Binding Coil one?  Very curious to learn more about 1.0 at this point.  I've been watching some FFXI videos to compare and yeah, uh, coming from the interface and player accessibility of FFXIV, I could never play FFXI after this.  Instead I'm gonna watch the 80 hour long "FFXI - The Movie" that's on youtube.  I've actually already started it and am a bit in.

Yeah, you can watch both of those. If you have any inclination of having us help you through Coil for the story, we can also do so once you reach level 60. The content is hard, but made much simpler by running it without level sync at 60 to where I've cleared the final Bahamut fight with only 3 people.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 09, 2017, 02:54:33 PM
Definitely brush up on the 1.XX story (and rewatch the 2.XX opening cinematic) before you start the Binding Coil. Binding Coil has the best storyline in 2.XX. It explains what that giant red moon is that fell down at the end of 1.XX.

Yeah, I'm good on 1.0's story.  Read up on it early on at the start.  More interested in the gameplay changes from 1.0->2.0
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 09, 2017, 03:15:02 PM
Sunblade, are you on hyperion?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 09, 2017, 03:15:29 PM
Sunblade, are you on hyperion?

I'm the one who made the linkshell you got invited to. Its literally my last name there.  :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 09, 2017, 03:39:02 PM
Oh, yeah I remember now.  Asha Sunblade or something?  Sorry I only remember people I've seen online a lot like PT.  Also since I joined the FC I never check linkshell or friend list :( I just check FC members online usually.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 09, 2017, 03:43:49 PM
Asha is SpeedStats, I'm Onix. But yeah, you can hit us up for help any time either of us are on. Always willing to help out with stuff~
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 09, 2017, 04:38:56 PM
Primal music is some of the best in the game. My fave is still probably Ramuh.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 09, 2017, 04:55:38 PM
shiva fight is top 10 boss musics easily
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 10, 2017, 12:10:57 AM
Hit level 50.  I feel like hitting the max level (at least for the original retail game) of your first MMO is a life achievement sort of thing.  So

 :bolo

Got to the actual duty finder for the final 2 dungeons.  Going to do my lvl.50 job quest first then do the dungeons.  So yeah, I totally forgot that my lvl.45 job quest gave me lvl.50 gear, which it turns out is actually level i90 gear so I'm already at ilvl 60 :o  The lvl.50 job quest will fill out the rest of the outfit on the left side equip with i90 gear.  Not sure where the best place to get my first lvl.50 weapon is?  The easy ones are at the Grand Company (I got to the final 2.0 rank, but need like 7,000 seals to buy the lvl.50 weapon now) and Gold Saucer (20,000 MGP is nothing...at the start of each challenge log period when I can get 15,000-20,000 MGP in like 30 mins).  Or I could try the PvP stuff and buy a i70 weapon for what seems like not a lot of wolf marks.  Hmmm, I'm probably not going to have a lvl.50 weapon doing the final dungeons though since it'll take me probably 2 days to get 7k seals from dailies & turn-ins + fates. and challenge log doesn't expire in the gold saucer for another day or two. 

What's the deal in the duty finder with the weird glowing yellow/gold symbol?  I unlocked Wanderer's Palace (lvl.50) but haven't done it yet.  Figure I'll save it for after the final dungeons as a post-MSQ thing but it has that weird wavy gold symbol on it.

Also did Aurom Vale again with my daily for the day.  Had a lot of fun, I actually like the dungeon quite a bit.  Had a good team again.  Since I've gotten most of the story dungeons multiple times at this point in dailies, I think the only one I don't like is the Brayflox Longstep.  That dungeon is super boring outside the cool Dragon interrupts boss bit.  I think Stone Vigil is the only dungeon I've only done once.  I'm looking forward to doing it again because the boss was kind of fun.

Ok, guess it's time to go beat the game.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 10, 2017, 12:32:04 AM
the question about the gold symbol is a good one bc I have no idea what the fuck it is
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 10, 2017, 02:23:49 AM
Check the market board. You can straight up buy i115 weapons/armor for cheap that you normally get from Ishgard for cheap, and is equippable at level 50.

Also, at 50, you gain the ability to use glamour prisms and unlock FFXIV's true endgame content: assembling tons of clothing pieces to look cooler than everyone else.  :itagaki

If you mean this symbol: http://i.imgur.com/qqIeM2q.jpg, it's item level sync. If you queue to do the dungeon with gear that's a higher item level than its cap, it'll be synced down to the max.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 10, 2017, 02:32:36 AM
but wait aren't all dungeons like that?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 10, 2017, 03:08:11 AM
but wait aren't all dungeons like that?

All ilvl synced dungeons are level synced, but not the other way around. Both Castrum, Praetorium and all the non-50/60 leveling dungeons don't have an ilvl sync, they just lower you to the highest possible item level for dungeon's level (i130 in Castrum and Praetorium's case).
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 10, 2017, 04:00:49 AM
Credits are long...

The final dungeon gameplay ended for me at the magitek armor part.  After that it was just cutscenes for the last hour.

Would want to do the final stage again and actual experience the boss fights but the queue times were nuts for Cape Westwind and the last two dungeons.  Easily double or triple wait compared to everything before it.  I hope this doesn't mean everything 2.1-2.5 is gonna have a long ass queue for DPS. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 10, 2017, 04:38:01 AM
Wait a second, you can't sleep in your own bed????????????????

I've been looking forward to reaching lvl.50 and saving up gil to buy my own room so instead of always going to the inn to log out I could have my own private room at my FC estate where I could do that.  After the credits ended I went and bought my room and then went to the AH and bought a bed and put it down and...you can't interact with the bed??!?  You still have to go to the inn every time to log out?  Noooooooooooooooooooooooo

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Alright, I'm totally over housing in that case.  The only advantage it seems is if I can buy a pot and grow my own chocobo feed?  Since I don't have gardening privileges at the FC
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 10, 2017, 05:23:20 AM
Alright, bought a table and 2 flower pots and some soils and seeds.  Now I've stuff planted so my 300k room is now worthwhile.  I should figure out which seeds create actual useful items like chocobo stat raising stuff.

So uh, story-ending-wise 2.0 MSQ...was ok?  Kinda generic.  I felt like the story stuff in Mor Dhana where you're doing the rescue mission and the aftermath with the 3 GCs meeting regarding the ultimatum was definitely the story high point after some good stuff in Coerthas.  Then the end was like "ok, go fight the final dungeon and beat the bosses and yay the end".  Characters like Nero in the red armor felt really undercooked.  I'm wondering if this is because the empire storyline was a leftover from 1.0 and some of the character development for characters like Nero and Gaius was back in 1.0 because this totally did feel like jumping into a sequel without having played the original when it came to the empire story stuff.  The other stuff was fine though.

Overall the journey was fun and the game and world of Eorza grew on me a lot.  I find it a nice world to go around and fish, talk to npcs, go on quests, gamble, relax, do fates.  The 2.0 MSQ kinda feels like a Trails in the Sky FC game, like here is the basic kinda boring tale that's only the beginning of a much larger story.

Will start sifting through the lvl.50 stuff at this point.  Will check out all the optional things before getting back to the 2.1 MSQ.  I might buy a stupid $2 third retainer as I'm really running out of space.  My first retainer holds all my craftable items and my second retainer holds all my gear & materia but both are basically full and I don't know what stuff I should keep or sell since I actually plan to level up my crafting jobs so I might want some of these items either for GC turn in, levequest turn in, or for crafting.  On the gear I'm kinda hesistant to get rid of gear since I'll probably take other classes from 1-60 some day and even the sub lvl.30 gear could be useful.  Also my fishing stuff takes up a lot of room with all my catches.  I'll see how long I can manage with just these two.  Or maybe I'll stop being a hoarder and just sell my whole inventory since at this point I doubt any of my items are worth much.

Another random thought is that I do enjoy the complexity of playing a good Ninja at lvl.50.  Like I was worried that single character combat would be boring and shallow, but it's complex enough at the high levels that it keeps it interesting and fun.

And my total game time at this point is 133 hours but I took my time.  I can imagine that if you only leveled a single class/job and didn't spend so much time fishing or playing triple triad you could probably get through the 2.0 MSQ in like 80-100 hours.  133 hours puts it about on par with the longest rpg I've ever played which was Xenoblade which was basically an offline MMO.  After that is FFXII at around 110 hours which again was basically an MMO and then Persona 5 at 103 hours which breaks the trend by not being an offline MMO and just being a long story game.  But yeah, these offline/online MMO games can be pretty lengthy with all their quests and big worlds.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 10, 2017, 09:42:49 AM
You are now ready for the best side story questline in any game ever.  FFXIV's single best contribution to FF lore.

Talk to Wymond at Ul'dah - Steps of Nald (x9, y8)

Accept the quest called "The Rise and Fall of Gentlemen"

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/433a7478ac79bf5538eb8e373fa67a63/tumblr_inline_ngdbn87xpU1t09ehi.png)

Seriously, take a break from MSQ and whatever else you think you like about this game and do the Hildebrand side story quests now.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 10, 2017, 10:54:33 AM
yayyyy you beat the intro! welcome to the real game man
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 10, 2017, 10:52:34 PM
Btw, is there any loot in the final 2 dungeons of MSQ?  Because even when it jumped back to gameplay I never saw a loot notification once in either dungeon.

Also for all the talk about the mess of cutscenes in dungeons, it really wasn't a problem for the 2nd to last dungeon.  I was able to join all the fights and watch all the cutscenes.  I feel like I got the whole boring experience (that dungeon was super boring and even the cutscenes were super boring).  It's the final dungeon that yeah is a fucking mess and I should replay it and do the fights. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 10, 2017, 11:35:09 PM
no loot in final MSQ dungeons
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 11, 2017, 02:40:10 AM
The only reason to run those two dungeons again is your new main scenario roulette, which gives you experience towards level 60 and tomestones of poetics: currency that you can trade at mor dohna for i120 gear you can use at level 50.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 11, 2017, 04:57:15 AM
If I do daily roulettes and get to 60 before I even start heavensward, is that gonna kinda OP the MSQ?  Wondering if I should do my daily roulette with my alt Paladin at this point so I don't get too strong prior to Heavensward.

Also, with triple triad once you play an NPC once the marker over their head goes away, even if you didn't get their unique card they drop.  Is there anyway to easily located NPCs you can play triple triad with after the first time?  Because I probably played every npc with a symbol over their head once, but I didn't play them enough to get their drops and I probably need to do that to get to 60 cards.

So with Chocobo Racing, when I register for a race and get the commence pop up thing, am I actually racing against other humans or is it npcs?  Because I keep getting first place in chocobo races and I can't tell if I'm good and beating other humans or whether I'm just racing easy npcs.

Just did Wanderer's Palace tonight (was ok, bosses seemed kinda simple, was expecting more scary Tonberrys) and mostly casino stuff (got the casino lvl.50 weapon).  Also sent my adventurer squad off on their first mission.  Do you get any good rewards from doing adventurer squad missions?  *edit* yeah I just read a bunch of pages on adventurer squadrons online and none of them say what rewards you get.  If it's going to cost GC seals to send these guys on missions to level up...what do I get out of it?  Because right now GC seals are precious for me and I never have enough.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 11, 2017, 05:22:00 AM
You arent going to get to 60 before you reach 3.0. Not unless you do nothing but roulette every day without actually progressing in the MSQ. Even then, dungeons will level sync you to their appropriate level when you do them, so you aren't going to be overpowered for anything. If else, it'll put you ahead of the curve so you can do all of 3.x without having to wait to level up.

There is no way to get the npc icons back for triple triad. It's kind of annoying. Best to use a third party site that lets you log in with your character so you can keep track of your card collection.

In chocobo racing, if the racer has a green name, it's an npc. If it's blue, it's another player. You probably won't get many players until you reach the higher tiers, which is where the 5 people that still do racing are.

You can get good rewards from your squadron, but it's probably not worth investing in right now for you. Later dungeons drop gear that you can turn into thousands of GC Seals at a time, so raising your squadron and buying stuff with them becomes less of an issue.

Wanderer's Palace and Amdapor Keep were the two original endgame dungeons for level 50 players. The former isn't as scary anymore due to being out geared (the expected Ilvl for that dungeon is i55, but newbies are given free i90 gear now), but the stalker tonberry used to one shot anyone that wasn't a tank. Amdapor Keep's second boss used to be the fight that separated good parties from bad parties, but it's since also been outgeared AND nerfed to not be a total headache.

Make sure you go back to the Waking Sands at some point. You'll have unlocked the hard mode versions of certain primal fights, as well as the extreme difficulty once you beat /those/. But not before doing what lucretius said and checking out that quest.  :punch
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 11, 2017, 11:52:01 AM
Thanks for info!  Yeah, I was wondering about that whole free i90 gear set with lvl 50 job quest amd if originally that was not the case because it does seem like a pretty big free jump and makes certain stuff kinda irrelevant (like the i70 gear in PVP).

Speaking of PVP, I tried getting in the queue to try it out and haven't actually had it pop yet.  Estimated wait times are huge.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 11, 2017, 12:05:37 PM
pvp is really only doable in evenings and weekends. even then it's really just the frontline roulette. I think to do stuff like the feast you need to queue with a party of four.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 11, 2017, 01:43:14 PM
Originally, the i90 gear you get from your class quests was only i50 gear (and slightly different in color).

And seriously, stop doing PvP and Chocobo racing (I've never even tried racing!) and go do the Hildebrand quest line... like... right now.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 11, 2017, 02:29:56 PM
Yeah, yeah I'll get to it :p
Better not hype it up too much, I've seen some good comedy quests in rpgs in my days (Tales is good for that).

I don't care about pvp but as I content tourist, since I did the GC quest to unlock it, I want to try it at least once to see what it's like.  I try to check out everything possible system in the game to see how it is.  Like I tried Lord of Vermillion and it was the worst thing ever in the game so I will never do that again.  And I bought some pots and planted some seeds to check out gardening.

But you should try Chocobo Racing.  It's actually pretty fun in a janky ps1 game throwback way.  I only race like one race every few days when I'm hanging in the Casino (which is my favorite place in the game to chill at), but I'm having fun and I keep getting first (though I guess against all npcs lol).

As for overleveling, I mainly asked because I'm already hitting 51 and I haven't even started 2.1.  Like I'm taking a break from going to the Walking Sands and starting the next MSQ for a bit as I sift through all these new "+" quests and dungeons that have unlocked + still doing dailies.  But yeah it's fine.  I'll stick with my NIN until 60 and then I'll give my Paladin my dailies for the xp instead at that point.  I mainly do dailies for GC seals since I don't need the xp, but 2k seals a day is nice.  And now that I'm chilling more I'm doing my daily turn ins at the GC the level all of my crafting/gathering classes without having to actually play as them.  It's just like a half level per day, but it's helping.  And I'm starting to use the Ixali daily turn ins for leveling crafters as well.

Yeah if I run my 3 daily dungeon roulettes, my 3 mini-cacpots, my GC turn ins, my Ixali turn ins, water my plants, check on my ventures and send them on new missions, now do the same with adventurer squad, that's like 2-3 hours of stuff to do before I do anything each day.  Not they I do all that every day, but usually do some as I do other stuff.  It's why the game's gonna take me a while :p

Can you craft your own housing furniture?  Like with Carpenter?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 11, 2017, 02:47:40 PM
Almost every crafting job has its own housing tab with stuff that they can make. The big brunt of it is on carpenter though, yeah.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 11, 2017, 02:59:24 PM
That's cool.  I'm not really inclined to spend Gil on furnishings since they're just visual and I can use money now for equip & leveling crafters through leves.

But if I can build some stuff for my room that'd be fun.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 11, 2017, 03:07:23 PM
you can also use gc seals to get some furniture too
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 11, 2017, 03:11:02 PM
The Hildebrand quests unlock three 8-man trials which are pretty fun, especially if your a fan of SNES era FF games. You also get a couple minions from the Hildebrand trials.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 11, 2017, 03:28:47 PM
you can also use gc seals to get some furniture too

I need my seals though :(

Keeping up with GC seals has been the hardest grind so far actually.  Still don't have enough to get the lvl 50 weapon yet.  Maybe tonight after dailies.

I got the lvl 50 weapon from casino, but GC one is better.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 11, 2017, 03:35:23 PM
what are you spending them on? just new gear?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 11, 2017, 03:53:37 PM
what are you spending them on? just new gear?

Upgrading to the next promotion.  Each time costs more and more and if don't keep promoting then the items will always be behind my level.  So to even have stuff at my level available for purchase I need to always be at max rank GC at the time, which is tough.  Next promotion is like 9K+ seals.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 11, 2017, 04:25:32 PM
Three more things to note:

1.The 2.x MSQ progression was altered so you are now handed new gear sets as you do the story. So long as you keep up with the MSQ, you won't have to worry about gear: you can either replace it with HQ stuff from the market board or Tomestone of Poetics gear to replace in Mor Dohna.

2. Talk to Wiscard in Mor Dhona (x22,y6) to unlock Glamour Prisms. They're the best way to get rid of any ugly sets of clothing you might run into.

3. Make sure to pay attention to the average item level for any new dungeons you unlock. You pretty much have free reign to the entire gammut of level 50 2.X dungeons, but obviously not all of them are made equal. You'll have an easier time tackling them once you reach that average.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 11, 2017, 11:18:16 PM
Ok, I had a half day off today so in the past 4-5 hours I went around and grabbed every single lvl.50 "+" quest I could find in the world and followed the questlines until they hit a duty finder dungeon/trial so I could get all that stuff unlocked and then just do them when I feel like it.  This included starting the Hildebrand quest and I also started the 2.1 MSQ and did the first quest just to get started (and grabbed the Ifrit (hard) trial in Duty Finder).

The entire time I was doing this I had the duty finder looking for a PvP match on The Fold.  As you can see by this screenshot, the only PvP available to me is a matched party on The Fold and Frontlines.  I know I can get into Frontlines no problem because of the daily roulette so I'm saving that for later.

(http://i.imgur.com/oC4MsJZ.jpg)

Now at the end of my session, I still never got into The Fold ^^;  Here is my wait time:

(http://i.imgur.com/J7VkMIT.jpg)

At this point for "The Fold" I think I'm just gonna youtube a video of it to see what it is and why there is not a single person playing it across 10,000+ people on every server   :lol


But yeah, now that I think I unlocked everything available I've got like 10+ dungeons  to jump into, ~7 being hard modes and ~3 new ones.  Also have the Ifrit (hard) trial and a few more steps to get the Crystal Tower raid.  Also on my way in Hildebrand and the Relic Weapon quests.  Definitely got a lot of stuff!  This should take me a week or two for sure at a casual pace and then I'll do the 2.1-2.5 MSQ.

Oh, got the GC lvl.50 Ninja weapon which is i70.  My character is like i74 right now I think after I bought a lvl.i120 ring with my poetic tomes in Mor Dhona + job gear.

Btw, I like some of these "sequel" stories for the dungeons (hard).  I thought it'd just be like "here's a hard mode version", but it's like a continuation of the plot event from the first time you went which is cool.  My favorite story of them so far is the followup to the newbie adventurers in Tam-Tam where the guy got decapped and the girl kept his head and now we're following up on what happened to them with this hard mode version.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 11, 2017, 11:56:32 PM
You will never get into the Fold. That was the first PVP arena, a small tight circle limited to only 4 on 4 teams, and has since been completely replaced by The Feast, which is a significant improvement. No one queues for it because you don't get anything out of it anymore: there's not even a tomestone reward for participation like there is for the other modes.

Tamtara hard mode features one of the best told stories in all of Final Fantasy. Enjoy it.  :delicious
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 12, 2017, 12:12:10 AM
I get that The Fold has been replaced, but The Feast is a lvl.60 thing so that locks PvP behind lvl.60.  Not a big deal, I don't even like PvP, but I just wanna check out what it's like and I guess I'll see that at 60 or in Frontlines.  Frontlines roulette will probably be the first one I do next time I do roulettes.


OH, how do hunts work?  I accepted all the hunts I guess, and throughout the game I've run across lots of hunt-enemies lvl.50 unique mobs.  Most of the time there's no one there fighting them.  Like 99% of the time that is the case.  The only time I ever saw someone actually fight a mob was when I went to do a story mission and Mashes was there and bunch of you guys were fighting him.  I saw Mashes like 5 other times in the story all alone.  So since I don't have a big group to coordinate hunts with, can I do them with just me & my chocobo?  Like the B-rank hunts at least?  Or do I need to get into a party finder hunting group or something?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 12, 2017, 12:21:30 AM
I've been playing this game for like three years and have never gotten into The Fold.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 12, 2017, 12:28:11 AM
the fold is just a simple deathmatch mode.  most rounds are over in under 3 min and then it's back to the queue

i can try and introduce you to this hunt linkshell im a part of, although it might be full. tbh it prolly wouldn't be very useful to you now since most ppl hunt 3.0 monsters. in general you can solo a b rank monster, prolly will need help with an a rank, and you'll need a huge party for s ranks but you'll see half of eorzea flood the map when one of those pops. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 12, 2017, 12:40:23 AM
Hunts are separated into 3 tiers:

B rank - They're the smaller unique mobs that don't aggro unless attacked. You don't get a reward for killing them unless you get the weekly alliance hunt assignment at your GC station. These can be solo'd once you reach ~i100, maybe even earlier. They respawn minutes after you kill them.

A rank - These are like Maahes, whom you know. They're bigger, and they aggro on sight even when unprovoked. Impossible to solo at level 50, but you can do so at 60 with a high enough item level, though they still have a lot of hp to whittle away. These have a 24 hour respawn timer after they're killed.

S rank - These are huge monsters that have to be killed in parties, not soloable at all. They require specific spawn conditions and triggers that are sometimes controllable by players, sometimes random. These have a much longer respawn timer, so you'll usually see the area chat spammed with INVITE PLEASE if someone spawns it.

Both A and S ranks give tomestone rewards and allied seals for killing them. Joining a hunt party at level 50 isn't recommended because they'll often be zipping around to Heavensward areas, which feature tougher level 60 Hunts to kill.

Also, I keep telling you, but go check a marketboard out to get a new weapon. You don't have to rely on GC gear at all and can easily outfit yourself in i115 gear that'll last you up until you start getting poetics gear to replace it.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 12, 2017, 12:41:38 AM
the fold is just a simple deathmatch mode.  most rounds are over in under 3 min and then it's back to the queue

i can try and introduce you to this hunt linkshell im a part of, although it might be full. tbh it prolly wouldn't be very useful to you now since most ppl hunt 3.0 monsters. in general you can solo a b rank monster, prolly will need help with an a rank, and you'll need a huge party for s ranks but you'll see half of eorzea flood the map when one of those pops.

Ok, I'll try to solo the B ranks and I will ask people in the FC for help if I need it on A ranks.  When I get to S ranks someday I'll figure something out.  I like our FC but the only problem if there's usually like 3-8 people online max.  I think there's definitely some advantage of being part of a huge active FC with 100+ people online at any given time since if you need help on a hunt or something you can just ask in the FC and there's a good chance someone out of those 100 people will come and help you out.

But if there's room in your hunt linkshell yeah I'd appreciate an invite :)

Both A and S ranks give tomestone rewards and allied seals for killing them. Joining a hunt party at level 50 isn't recommended because they'll often be zipping around to Heavensward areas, which feature tougher level 60 Hunts to kill.

Well, I probably won't be using this for a bit then.

Btw, how do you area chat?  Like if a see someone with a cool chocobo and I want to say "cool chocobo" with specifically telling that person, do I use "say" and type it out and people in the vicinity will see it?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 12, 2017, 12:50:58 AM
/say is limited to your immediate vicinity. This is the default option when you don't change your chat options.
/shout sends the message to everyone in the zone.
/yell is... the same as shout but in a different color. I dunno, I've never used it.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 12, 2017, 01:29:30 AM
Cool, thanks for the chat explanations.

Also, I keep telling you, but go check a marketboard out to get a new weapon. You don't have to rely on GC gear at all and can easily outfit yourself in i115 gear that'll last you up until you start getting poetics gear to replace it.

I don't really want to go and buy i115 gear right away.  That kind of takes away from the intended progression through the 2.1-2.5 content imo.  I'm fine being at ilvl.70-80 and slowly going up as I complete the dungeons and MSQ and get new pieces that bring me up to that level.  Being at i115 would just make these lvl.50 dungeons even more of a pushover than they already are at ilvl.74.  For me getting to the highest level and having the highest ilevel gear isn't something I'm interested in, like a lot of people seemed focused on "how does this help me get the strongest armor/weapon/xp for the best maxed out character?" and so they don't do activities in the world like fishing and stuff because unlike crafting it doesn't really have some endgame min/max efficiency.  Like even with crafting, most people I've seen just do it for the $$$ farm, but when I craft it's because it's cool making something.  Not really interested in selling stuff on the marketplace.  I'm more in it for the casual content tourist stuff, no rush to get to the top ilevels.  At ilvl.74 I'm already above a good chunk of the average ilevel for lvl.50 dungeons and by doing them I'm sure I'll get above the rest.  No rush.

Also I'm not using my GC seals on gear, I just wanted the lvl.50 weapon and it was pretty cheap at 7k seals.  I'm planning on using my extra GC seals for my Adventurer Squad and the crafting/gathering books that give +50xp for a couple hours.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 12, 2017, 01:30:31 AM
yell is for spamming messages when you want to annoy the shit out of people
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 12, 2017, 06:35:10 PM
Came down sick this week, so since I don't feel up to multiplayer I've been working on my crafting & fishing.  Got fishing to 26, learned all about the dreaded Mulch and double Mulch and I will be market buying all those fish that require that.  On crafting, got my Goldsmith to 18, Culinarian to 15.  Looking forward to getting materia melding at 19.  Gonna get the rest of my crafting jobs to 15 to get their cross-class skill.

So now that I'm into crafting/fishing heavily, yeah I think they need one more interesting gameplay system for leveling.  Because they live, breathe and die by levequests.  Like between every 5 levels when there's a new class quest there's doing the same 3-4 levequests over and over, the same handful Ixali craft dailies over and over, GC daily turn ins and Ixali turn ins and that's it.  Actually crafting/fishing gives way too slow drip of xp gain so it ends up being repeating the same 3-4 leves over and over for an hour or two per 5 levels. 

Now crafting & fishing are still pretty fun and kinda useful, but they could really do to add a fates like thing to give another way to get xp after dailies.

And don't get me started on levequests for mining/botany.  Those are not fun at all and the reason I'm never gonna get those two classes up too high.  They really should've been item turn in quests like fishing & crafting.  Not this "spawn a bunch of nodes, go pick them for 2-5 mins" zzzz time waster stuff.  Like with fishing you can fish whenever you want and then a lot of times you'll have what the leves ask for when you start them, it's convienent.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 12, 2017, 09:50:40 PM
So while I'm fishing I'm in the queue for the daily roulette for Frontlines so I can try it out once.  I figure since it's a daily roullete it should be easy to get into.

55 mins and counting now...
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 12, 2017, 10:05:55 PM
weird. it usually takes about 15 minutes for me
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 12, 2017, 10:14:19 PM
Hmmm, at 80 mins now.  You think it's a level thing since you're 60 and everyone else these days is 60 and I'm 50?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 12, 2017, 10:38:11 PM
if it's anything, it's prolly that
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 13, 2017, 12:09:07 AM
Yeah after 2 and a half hours I gave up on Frontline and just did normal roulette and it went fine.  I guess I'm fine never checking out PvP.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 13, 2017, 01:08:58 AM
Did Ifrit (hard) and that was fun!  Had a lot more attacks and was way more interesting than the original fight.  Went in blind and still did fine.  Does the character model for Ifrit change between the difficulties?  Looks more on fire in hard mode version but it might just be me seeing things.  I felt like the original Ifrit fight was not very Ifrit-ish and he looked more like FF8's diablo.  If he gets more and more on fire each difficulty that's cool.

I also won the loot and got a lvl.60 conjurer cane.  Should I just trade it in for some GC seals or can I like give it to some one who might want it?  I traded in my silver chocobo feathers for a lvl.120 Ninja weapon so now I'm at i84 job level.  It seems like the easy access to i120 everything makes all the loot pre-120 useless?

I'm doing the questline now to unlock the crystal tower raid so I can check out my first 24 man raid.  Pretty fun questline so far.  I kinda feel like these large amounts of beast tribe overworld dungeon bases have been totally unused in the main game, so it was fun going through all of them.

Also I don't really get how the hunt system works.  Like I find the hunts on the map and they have a little red man over their head which means they are a hunt.  But like do I have to accept the hunt at the GC first?  And can I accept multiple hunts at a time or just one?  I tried fighting some lvl.50 hunt mobs and died with just me and my chocobo ><
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 13, 2017, 01:11:48 AM
basically yeah.

and trade in that Ifrit weapon for seals bc it's useless as a weapon
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 13, 2017, 02:02:56 AM
Ok, I think I get hunts now.  The tough part is finding people to help kill them.  When I find one on a map that's an "A" rank, should I shout/yell it's location and wait a few mins to see if anyone shows?  Also so the "B" rank stuff is basically every week there are like 5 "B" hunts and I go and kill them with the little red man icon over their head and then I cash in after I get that.

What's a daily hunt?  How does that differ from the weekly hunts posted on the board at the GC?

Oh, I think I get it.  So the B mark hunts are posted daily and you have 1 day to kill all 5 of them and get the reward
And the Elite "A" rank hunt is posted weekly and you get seals/cash if you kill it that week

And then on top of this, those B and A ranks exist and spawn around every area, so even if they aren't your weekly or daily posted hunt, you can still run into them and fight them if you want.  And the red person icon over their head is how you differentiate the ones that are on your daily/weekly hunt list vs all the lvl.50 marks that are not on your list.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 13, 2017, 02:10:05 AM
Ok, now I'm reading conflicting stuff that says the A rank mob is a daily?  So what's the weekly then?  For instance what I'm seeing in Loma as an Elite Mark is Melt the flying bee.  I looked him up and he's listed as an A rank.  The normal bills are like normal B rank standard enemy mobs.

Doesn't help that most of the google results I'm seeing about hunts are from soon after patch 2.35, so I'm guessing things have changed a bit since.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 13, 2017, 02:15:27 AM
Hmm, I'm also seeing something about some of the B rank mobs being FATES bosses?  I think I may have killed one this evening in a fate but I figured it wasn't a hunt because it was a fate.

Also I can't wait until my chocobo gets cure, as a DPS it's hard to solo stuff because my DEF isn't great and I can't really heal.  My chocobo levels sloooooow.  I've been fighting with him for like a 100 hours and he's only rank 2 and getting closer to rank 3.  All he can do is cast regen on me and get a few hits in on the enemy :(  When he starts curing me I'll be able to do a lot more solo for sure.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 13, 2017, 02:20:40 AM
I posted the explanation at the top of the page.   :P

The hunts with the red marks are A ranks. The red mark is there to show you that it will aggro on sight. The ones that you can kill 5 a day of are just daily marks (some of these can be fate bosses), they aren't ranked hunts. There's a separate weekly hunt for the actual B Rank hunts that you can actually solo, whom all have blue, passive icons next to their name.

Ok, now I'm reading conflicting stuff that says the A rank mob is a daily?  So what's the weekly then?  For instance what I'm seeing in Loma as an Elite Mark is Melt the flying bee.  I looked him up and he's listed as an A rank.  The normal bills are like normal B rank standard enemy mobs.

Doesn't help that most of the google results I'm seeing about hunts are from soon after patch 2.35, so I'm guessing things have changed a bit since.

Melt is this thing:
(http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/images/5/55/Melt.png)

That's an A rank hunt. The B rank Bee hunt is this thing:

(http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/mediawiki/images/a/af/Stinging_sophie1.jpg)

Weekly hunt bills will only ever ask for B ranks. You don't need them to get rewards from a and S ranks.

The reason you're not getting a queue for Frontlines is also probably your level, yeah. There's like three different frontlines maps, with two of them being level 60 only, so queueing at 50 means you're waiting for only the one map to fill up. Frontlines queues are long enough as they are.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 13, 2017, 03:00:48 AM
Oh, ok yeah so that was a B rank stinging sophie that I saw.

Alright I'm still kinda confused.  What's the difference between the "5 marked bills" hunts and the "elite bill" hunt is the elite bill is a B rank?  Aren't the 5 marked bill enemies also B rank?  The difference is that the 5 part one are easier?  And they are daily?  Whereas the elite bill is a weekly? 

So then all of the bills on the hunt log at the GC are solo B rank or below?

Does this mean there are no "bills" for the A rank/S rank hunts?  You just see them and then grab a group and go kill them and get loot?


And I did read and re-read your post on the top of the page along with like 10 google hit pages.  I feel like this is not really well explained. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 13, 2017, 03:59:17 AM
Yeah, the daily things you can kill are not ranked hunts. They're just generic mobs you can kill for easy spare seals. It's always three generic enemies and two fate bosses among those.

Rank B hunts like Sophie don't give rewards at all unless you have the weekly mission for them. Rank A/S hunts give rewards based on how much you contributed to killing it, no bill required.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 13, 2017, 04:23:05 AM
Got it.  Thanks it all makes sense now.

So like I'm trying to go after a white bill (FATE) for daily that's in raincatcher gully (small area, should be easy to find) and I spent like 20 mins running around it and never found it.  Do the fate ones have different timers than the every 5 mins timers on the non-Fate three dailies?

Also I redid the final two dungeons of 2.0 skipping cutscenes and playing the whole thing with the teams.  The one before the final dungeon was more fun with a team this time.  I still never figured out how to launch the cannons.  On the final dungeon, was fun as a team, especially the magitek armor ride part.  But jeezus we melted everything including every boss in under a minute.  The only boss that gave some trouble was the final form Ultima Weapon with the tons of blue magitek lasers shooting around making it hell for DPS, but we still won with no deaths.  The final final boss after that...uhhh was that supposed to be just a "everyone gangs up on him and kills him in 20 seconds" fight?  From the cutscenes I kinda thought he'd be some epic final fight at the end but it was the total opposite.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 13, 2017, 04:40:39 AM
FATEs aren't on a timer, but there is a max to the number of fates that can spawn in an entire zone, with some FATEs taking longer to respawn than others. If you aren't actively doing Fates in the area, it can take a while for the specific one you want to pop (cause you're waiting for all the others to time out).

Yes, Lahabrea is a complete joke. It's more like the relaxing downhill slope after the real "tough" fight that is Ultima Weapon, with Hyadelin herself backing you up. The bosses for those dungeons were never particularly tough, they just took longer cuz the average Ilvl at the time was i50 (though Nero was fun cause he knocks everyone around the electrified arena).
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 13, 2017, 05:13:05 AM
http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/1bbb52f23cb2a462dec0230aa523d0406f57ed97

Patch notes for patch 3.5. Some stuff here that's relevant for ya, like exp gain for crafting-gathering from level 1-45 going way the fuck up

Anything that has 2.x is possibly relevant to where you're at. Some good QoL changes in there.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 13, 2017, 05:34:59 AM
So before I head off to sleep, I'm gonna tell the story of my FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH FATE CAMPING.

Now that I understood one more system in FFXIV (hunts), I thought I'd go kill one of the FATE dailies.  One of my FATE dailies was Sekhmet, the Coerul in Raincatcher Gully.  So I look around for a lvl.50 fate/lvl.50 enemy and don't see one.  I google and find this:

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Closing_Time

which seems a little weird since it's lvl.34.  So now I'm curious if the daily hunt bills aren't necessarily lvl.50 enemies and only the B rank weekly bill is lvl.50 (+ the non-bill A rank hunts you just see going around).  I've never waited for a FATE before, so since that link says "15M" I figure I'll wait 15 minutes and it'll pop.  Well, after a while it's not appearing and I'm going around doing other fates and stuff in the area.  I realize the "15M" probably means the length that the fate lasts.  So I google around about fate camping and spawn timers and apparently it can be up to 2-3 hours between a fate re-appearing :O and the more I read, the more I see that there are going to be sidequests and animus weapons and stuff that will require FATE camping and apparently waiting around for hours for fates to show up is one of the major issues people have with the game and I read a bunch of posts of people quitting the game because they couldn't get their fate to spawn for their animus weapon.  Yikes.

And then suddenly my FATE spawned and it was only lvl.34 after all, so I down-synced and killed it and got 20 allied seals and 2,000 gil.  Which answered another question I had which was if you had to kill all 5 dailies to get the reward or if you could just kill one or two and get the individual reward for each, which you can so that's good.  I won't go out of my way to search for hunts but if I see an enemy with a hunt symbol over its head I'll definitely kill it and get some allied seals.

I keep seeing A rank hunts everywhere I go in the game.  Like probably one every hour I play.  Usually in dead areas with no one around.  I wonder if I should be yelling the location in case anyone cares?  I don't touch it since I'm not even sure I can take B rank hunts right now until my chocobo learns cure.

Had a good session though.  Now I'm totally done with 2.0 MSQ dungeons, have tried my first hard mode trial, did my first hunt and this questline to open up the Crytal Tower raid is long and great.  Just got 2 of the Aethersands and am looking for the other 2 now.  Really enjoying the game currently.

http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/1bbb52f23cb2a462dec0230aa523d0406f57ed97

Patch notes for patch 3.5. Some stuff here that's relevant for ya, like exp gain for crafting-gathering from level 1-45 going way the fuck up

Anything that has 2.x is possibly relevant to where you're at. Some good QoL changes in there.

Wow, I read all that.  Holy shit that's a lot of changes.  Some good stuff in there :rock
Do they really change/add this much stuff every 3-4 months in a .1 update?  That seems crazy
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 13, 2017, 12:05:46 PM
Yup! It's the biggest reason why people have no qualms with paying a sub fee for the game: You get a whole lotta bang for your buck, specially with how much recent games have attempted to charge you more money for shit that should have been part of the core game (lookin at you, XV).

It's always fun to look back on the trailers/notes for every patch to see how far the game has come since 2.0. In your case, it might even provide a roadmap for the order to tackle the 2.x content/dungeons, if you choose to do it all.

1.0 - Opening Movie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag2cRTU-Og8)

1.23b - End of an Era / A New Beginning - (Link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h542YbZuwkQ)) <- This played at the moment of 1.0's shutdown, just without the "reborn" bit at the end.

2.0 - A Realm Reborn (Launch Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc5HY3KEqug))

2.1 : A Realm Awoken (Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_aliYN8hNk))

2.2 : Through the Maelstrom (Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zueQqbWhZeo))

2.3 : Defenders of Eorzea (Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYBu4dpZJBo))

2.4 : Dreams of Ice (Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbiFK4tcz9w))

2.5 : Before the Fall (Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj3hGDaDZqI))

Heavensward (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGFZ6RJqTWY)

3.1 : As Goes Light, So Goes Darkness (Trailer (https://youtu.be/SJXDegut2Yg))

3.2 : The Gears of Change (Trailer (https://youtu.be/CZET2yYZLN8))

3.3 : Revenge of the Horde (Trailer (https://youtu.be/2RMaN8U3ots))

3.4 : Soul Surrender (Trailer (https://youtu.be/Go1NT6zCHPI))

I keep seeing A rank hunts everywhere I go in the game.  Like probably one every hour I play.  Usually in dead areas with no one around.  I wonder if I should be yelling the location in case anyone cares?  I don't touch it since I'm not even sure I can take B rank hunts right now until my chocobo learns cure.

Hunts arent very active right now cause they're more or less seasonal. The majority of players already have what they wanted out of them and there's no reason to hunt them down right now. Hunts usually pick right back up after a big patch like next week's, where they usually add new content that players will need Tomes/Seals for, thus refueling the Hunt machine. Don't be surprised if you just randomly see a whole bunch of people shouting INVITE PLZ in whatever zone you're in.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 13, 2017, 01:00:06 PM
Cool.  Those trailers will be fun to watch in retrospect.  I'll wait until I beat the stuff first to avoiding too much spoiling.  In fact, I keep kinda beating myself up for looking at the lodestone stuff too much because it's spoiling a lot of the "oh shit, Ifrit is in this game?!?!"  From this point on I'm trying to avoid looking to see what primal fights/dungeons there are so sometimes things can surprise me.  I already know most of them already but there might be a few I've glossed over that'll surprise me :)

Was there a 2.0 ARR trailer?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 13, 2017, 01:05:45 PM
Yeah, there was a 2.0 launch trailer. Added it to the list, tho its fairly generic.  :P In fact, I'll go ahead and add the 1.0 trailer too, since its actually relevant to the story and shows you how Mor Dohna came to be.

Every time you do a new major boss trial, you're pretty much done with the story for that particular patch tier, so it should be safe to scope out the trailer then if you don't wanna spoil the story.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 13, 2017, 01:17:54 PM
Oh man, that 2.0 trailer is suuuuper spoilish for the 2.0 MSQ.  It has like every voiced cutscene in the entire game in the 4 min trailer lol.  Makes it look more epic than it actually is too :p  This is why I generally avoid trailers for games until after I finish the game.

So like, from my limited understanding of 1.0, it seems like 2.0's MSQ was sorta a ...remake of 1.0's MSQ?  I mean from what I understand, 1.0's MSQ = Go fight the primals that the beast tribes are summoning, band together the three GCs to fight off the empire trying to invade.  2.0's MSQ = Go fight the primals that the beast tribes are summoning, band together the three GCs to fight off the empire trying to invade again.  Like there are slight differences (Meteo/Ultima) and different characters, but generally it seems like they just wanted to retell the plot from 1.0 because not a lot of people played 1.0?  Am I'm missing something here?

Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 13, 2017, 01:35:33 PM
I think you're generally right. some events were repurposed, like getting kidnapped before fighting Ifrit. I'm sure this was done to save time and money.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 13, 2017, 03:05:51 PM
Unlocked Labrynth of the Ancients.  Thought it was a 24 person thing since it's a Raid.  I'm not really sure what the difference is between an 8 person dungeon & 8 person raid but I guess I'm about to find out!

Been getting lots of poetic tomes so I keep trading them for 120 pieces.  Up to i95 now.  I'm almost lvl.52 as well.  I really think I'll hit 60 before I start HW.  I haven't even done any of the hard mode dungeons or new dungeons like Pharos or Amador's Keep.  Even if I just gained a half level per dungeon that'll take me to 60 at this point.  I tend to do all the side content when I play rpgs, so at around 155 hours now I bet I don't get to HW until about 200 hours in.

Also I think I'm going to stick with my Ninja as my only combat class.  Like NIN 60 + all crafting 60 + fishing 60 is my goal for the longterm.  If I hit that eventually maybe I'll try other combat jobs.  The thing is I just wanna see the content/story and outside of job quests I only need one combat job for it.  Crafting is cool because I like all the neat stuff you can make like glasses or furniture and fishing is always chill.

At this point since I'm getting more than enough XP, I could start using my Paladin and getting him up from 38->50 but honestly playing with good high level tanks now in this 50 and over stuff has shown me that I'm nowhere near the level of tank needed.  When I play tank I take on one set of mobs, keep them aggro on me and kill them and move to the next.  But these tanks I'm matching with will just run the whole level grabbing enemies one after another until they group them all at an exact point they know and let the AoE DPS kill all the mobs at once.  To do this you'll need to know each level pretty well and how many enemies you can survive tanking at a time and where to round them up at and which areas in dungeons you want to be slow and just tank one group at a time.  Since I don't know any of this stuff I'd be a bad tank and slow down my team, so kinda reluctant to go back to my Paladin.  If I did an Alt at this point I think I'd do a healer alt since you can follow like a dps and help out.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 13, 2017, 04:13:56 PM
man there's SO MUCH good quality of life stuff in 3.5! text auto advance finally!! way more selfie options, duty finder progress on-screen, chocobo isn't a party member anymore, cross world party finder, ability to look up old party members, better fitting room previews, MORE CRAFTING XP,  Returner program, etc etc etc. all great changes to great up for Stormblood!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 13, 2017, 04:31:03 PM
Unlocked Labrynth of the Ancients.  Thought it was a 24 person thing since it's a Raid.  I'm not really sure what the difference is between an 8 person dungeon & 8 person raid but I guess I'm about to find out!

They're kept in the same raid tab, but the crystal tower raids ARE 24 man. It may take a while to queue into it cause it's old content, in which case you might want to wait until sunday to give it a whirl. The community has unofficial days where people queue for certain content to get matched parties, and "CT Sundays" are a thing, so you might have better luck then.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 13, 2017, 04:42:42 PM
ct is still pretty populated bc of that one relic quest that requires you to run it
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: studyguy on January 13, 2017, 04:44:49 PM
New patch is going to be dope. I'm trying to finish my relic before then. Lazy piece of shit so far all this last patch, never bothered to finish A12 just 9-11.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 13, 2017, 05:02:31 PM
a12 is easy; do it!

I'm still working on my crystal sands. I fucking hate it so much. been working on it for like two months now and I'm not even halfway done.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: studyguy on January 13, 2017, 05:07:42 PM
a12 is easy; do it!

I'm still working on my crystal sands. I fucking hate it so much. been working on it for like two months now and I'm not even halfway done.

Same, I have like... maybe like 1/3rd of the second bar left? Not much but it's a pain in the ass.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 13, 2017, 10:05:21 PM
Big package from SE store came in today with my FFXIV and HW artbooks :)  Will holdoff on the HW artbook until I've cleared that.  I really want the Eorza history lore book once I've caught up to 3.4/3.5 since I'm big into lore books but it's totally sold out still; hopefully will come in stock before Stormblood.

I actually used to collect FFXI artbooks, lore books and soundtracks even though I never played FFXI just because I liked the art/music.  At least with FFXIV I can follow along now!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 13, 2017, 11:35:16 PM
tell me how the hs one is; i still haven't got it. the arr one is pretty great tho and very through. lore book is great too and definitely worth the purchase whenever they figure out how to meet demand.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 14, 2017, 02:08:57 PM
I finished my second i260 relic last night.  I have the DRG and the DRK relics now!

The Encyclopedia Eorzea is so fucking nice, btw.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 14, 2017, 02:13:41 PM
Ok, I fought and beat Odin and I have many many many many many questions.


I was doing some crafting quests and someone shouted across all of Gridania that Odin was in Central Shroud near Brentbarch Meadows.  So out of curiosity (I have the Odin quest but I haven't started it yet) I thought I'd go check it out.  So for like 5-10 mins people kept shouting and more and more people would come.  Everyone kept saying invite plz/party plz. 

I just stood there because A) I don't know how to talk in the yellow text that everyone else was using (Yell?  Shout?) and B) I don't understand how partying works
Since it was just a FATE enemy, why would you party up instead of just all fighting together on the spot? 

So then the battle started around 12-14 mins left.  I have 3k HP as my lvl.51 NIN.  I'd get a few hits in, some helpful status effects for others, and then I'd get hit once somehow for 10k damage and instantly die.  There were like 30-50 people so it was chaos and I couldn't even visually see what was going on in the center.  He seemed to have 2 kinds of large AoEs, one was big, but I could get out of the circle and dodge.  The other was so hugely big there was no way I could escape in time.  Sometimes these AoEs would do status effects and not instantly kill me, other times spears would rain down and instantly kill me.  I think I died about 20-30 times in those 12-14 mins as people kept reviving me.  I'd get in 4-5 hits -> die -> 4-5 hits -> die -> repeat.  I started to think that ranged DPS is way better for this kind of thing because you can keep your distance and escape AoEs either vs. Melee up in the enemy face when they do a giant 1 mile wide circle that you can't escape.

Anyhow, the group beat Odin with about 12 seconds left (was really really close).  I got like 80 xp, 50 gil, and 5 seals or something.  Basically nothing at all. 

So yeah, I have no idea what was going on.  How does partying up work?  How does Odin work?

I probably should finish the questline...
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 14, 2017, 03:19:12 PM
at first I was like :o and then I was like oh :lol

odin has two fights: a rare fate, and a normal trial. the fate always goes like you describe, with everyone dying and odin going down at the last second. you should always get in a party for that date or hard hunts bc your rewards are based on what you do and being in a party pretty much guarantees you'll get the max reward. in this case you would've gotten more of what you did get, plus some items you could trade in for odin-themed weapons or barding.

the trial itself is also super fucking hard and arguably the hardest fight in 2.0.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 14, 2017, 03:20:49 PM
oh and you'll wanna select shout to use orange text, then just type something like "inv plz"
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 14, 2017, 05:05:01 PM
Yeah, Odin has two versions, the FATE that you did (which has been around since 2.0) and a trial that got added later.

The reason why you got destroyed is because the FATE version is one of the game's few genuine "world bosses". He levels up every time you FATE is beaten, and levels down every time it fails. He can go beyond the current level cap, so you would often see Level 60 Odin back when 50 was the cap, and I'm pretty sure he can go up to 70 now, which means he is impossible to kill with just a handful of people. FATEs work the same way as hunt do: your rating for rewards depends on your emnity contribution to the fight, so its unlikely to get higher than bronze without a party. No matter the role you fight him in, you're very likely going to die more than once.

The reason why you party up is because: a. emnity contributons made by your party for both Hunts and FATEs are added to your own rating, and b. it's much easier for healers to heal you in a party (they can individually select you from a party list and AoE spells don't work unless they're in your party).

Trial Odin is just a regular 8man fight that shares a lot of the FATE version's mechanics.

And yeah, /shout in the chat window is the option you want to join parties like that. If you get an invitation, you get a popup window that you can select on PS4 by pressing the touchpad to tab along all the interactable things in your HUD.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 14, 2017, 05:15:40 PM
wow didn't realize odin leveled like that. first time I fought him as a fate there were prolly 30-40 people wailing on him for most of the full 30 minutes, and we got maybe an 1/8 of his health depleted. it was unbelievable.

still haven't seen the super fate from hs, either
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 14, 2017, 05:26:37 PM
Yeah he was lvl.56 when our group fought him.  I'll try partying up next time I see a hunt like that.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 14, 2017, 06:03:27 PM
Patch 3.5 is supposedly increasing the rate at which Odin and the other major boss FATEs spawn, so you'll probably run into him more often.

The other 2.0 "world boss" Fate is a Behemoth that spawns in Coerthas, around Behemoth's Dominion. He's significantly easier than Odin because he's fixed to level 50 rather than having that quirky leveling mechanic.

(http://i.imgur.com/GPgmMuH.jpg?1)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 14, 2017, 07:03:56 PM
glad to hear about the increased spawn rates; they're too damn rare. I only fought behemoth once or twice iirc.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 14, 2017, 07:53:37 PM
i know I'm beating a dead horse here, but seriously -  FUCK SIGHTSEEING. about a third of the way thru the 2.0 book and way too many of these have bullshit platforming. the community must have been so pissed when they were trying to figure these out.

also in other obvious statements: holy fuck the 3.x extreme bosses are hard as shit. aside from the initial two easy ones, i haven't made it more than a fifth of the way thru any of these.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 14, 2017, 08:03:52 PM
lol yeah, I haven't beaten any of the 3.X Extremes past Bis and Ravanna. It'd be one thing if I had a group of 8 to learn it with, but having to go through the same first phases teaching rando newbies how the fight goes every time got old. Most of us are waiting for next patch's bird farm carries or undersizing them during 4.0.

And yes, the 2.0 Sightseeing log is putrid shit. Not only do you have to wait hours and days for some of the weather/time of day conditions to line up, but you might even miss the window entirely if you can't fucking platform to the thing on time. I'd often just do the platforming, then idle right on the spot and leave a clock running on a third party site to ping me when the right conditions were met, cause holy god it was infuriating.

A quick google search shows me this website for tracking that shit (http://vistas.explorexiv.com/), and man these are better than what I had way back when.

Thankfully, Yoshi-P is finally rewarding me for going through that hell years ago.  :tophat

(http://i.imgur.com/Enpd5z5.png)

Can't wait to flood the marketboard with those things and make some hard cash on patch day.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 14, 2017, 08:14:34 PM
Yeah, I saw that and was like "well at least there's more rewards for the dumb sightseeing 2.0 log" although it should be that you get 1 painting unlocked for each sight, not forcing you to do 20 of them.  I've been stuck on the Leatherworker's guild one in Gridania, I cannot make that platforming jump to get on top and sightsee.


Anyhow, I got into the Labyrinth of the Ancients and did my first 24 man raid.  I was really confused for most of it and at parts it seemed like there were only 8 people?  Does it split into smaller groups at some point?  And you don't see the names of any of the players in the other 2 groups, right?  Was pretty chaotic but fun.  The final boss dude was pretty cool, I liked the AoE's of his attacks and the whole ANCIENT FLARE 9999 DAMAGE thing where everyone has to stand on the circles is great when you have a few people like me who don't know what's going on and nobody says anything and we all wipe lol

I feel like with these 8 person+ fights, after I beat them the first thing I want to do is google a guide to learn about the mechanics of all the stuff I just blew through without fully understanding it.  Also I keep getting these faded orchestration rolls in loots but I can't use them.  Do I need to take them somewhere to craft them into usable orchestration rolls?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 14, 2017, 08:18:57 PM
Although honestly when I saw that Painter update I was like "they should just make a painter crafting class", like a class where you go to spots and sit with an easel and paint a viewpoint portrait.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 14, 2017, 08:26:43 PM
There are sections of the 24 man raids where you're expected to separate into your three separate alliances, yeah. Labyrinth of the Ancients has the Atomos part in the second hallway and the Bomb section in the third.

An Alchemist can craft Usable Orchestrion rolls from faded ones, yeah. There's a few low level ones, but most of the notable tracks can only be crafted from 50+. Either ask someone with the job if they can make it for you, put it up for sale on your retainer or dump it if the price on the roll is trash (and most of them are).

Also gj, you beat Titan. I mean, Acheron. I mean Phlegeton.

(http://cdn.wikimg.net/strategywiki/images/6/62/FinalFantasy3_Boss16.png)
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When making the Labyrinth of the Ancients raid, the dev team obviously couldn't call him Titan cause there's already another Titan in the game, so they called him after his later common enemy variant, Acheron.

...But then, when making the Syrcus Tower raid, they realized that if they wanted to use the grey skinned common enemy that appears in FF3's Syrcus Tower, they wouldn't be able to use the name Acheron cause they already used that for the first boss. So to avoid another renaming, they went back and renamed the Labyrinth boss while keeping the grey Acherons with their real name.
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Other Labyrinth enemies turned bosses:
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Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 14, 2017, 08:27:48 PM
alchemists can make orchestrion rolls
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 14, 2017, 08:33:35 PM
There are sections of the 24 man raids where you're expected to separate into your three separate alliances, yeah. Labyrinth of the Ancients has the Atomos part in the second hallway and the Bomb section in the third.

An Alchemist can craft Usable Orchestrion rolls from faded ones, yeah. There's a few low level ones, but most of the notable tracks can only be crafted from 50+. Either ask someone with the job if they can make it for you, put it up for sale on your retainer or dump it if the price on the roll is trash (and most of them are).

Also gj, you beat Titan. I mean, Acheron. I mean Phlegeton.

(http://cdn.wikimg.net/strategywiki/images/6/62/FinalFantasy3_Boss16.png)
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/d/d0/FFXIV_Acheron.png/revision/latest?cb=20140130005020)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
When making the Labyrinth of the Ancients raid, the dev team obviously couldn't call him Titan cause there's already another Titan in the game, so they called him after his later common enemy variant, Acheron.

...But then, when making the Syrcus Tower raid, they realized that if they wanted to use the grey skinned common enemy that appears in FF3's Syrcus Tower, they wouldn't be able to use the name Acheron cause they already used that for the first boss. So to avoid another renaming, they went back and renamed the Labyrinth boss while keeping the grey Acherons with their real name.
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haha, yeah I liked how we got to fight Atmos in the raid.  The FF throwbacks are neat.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 14, 2017, 08:39:02 PM
the side stories have a ton of throwback stuff. i love it.

oh and sunblade that's the exact site I'm using. must be new bc I've searched before and only found reddit guides.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 14, 2017, 08:40:48 PM
the [Odin] trial itself is also super fucking hard and arguably the hardest fight in 2.0.

Hardest fight in 2.XX was and still is Turn 7 Savage.

Odin's trial was just a tight DPS check when it first came out.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 14, 2017, 08:43:55 PM
i avoid Savage content bc i don't want to put my controller thru the screen
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 14, 2017, 10:36:17 PM
Did Tam-Tara Deepcraft.  As my first (Hard) mode dungeon, this was a lot of fun.  We wiped on the first boss a couple times until someone googled how to deal with the exploding zombie bridegrooms.  The boss fight was good, I like how these hard mode battles have like crazy AoE spam and adds and lots of stuff to keep it interesting.  Much more fun than the normal mode battles where you just wail on a big boss.

Then did Ultima's Bane trial.  We wiped a couple of times on this because of the purple balls that you gotta eat or everyone dies.  My low HP DPS can't eat many balls :(  But eventually we beat it.  Again was fun with more AoE challenge.

Also someone told me to change my character's hair to black and equip a robe because my character looks like Harry Potter ^^; 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 15, 2017, 01:27:58 AM
Fates that are required for single player quests kinda suck.  The first Hildebrand quest has me waiting for a zombie fate in south thanalan and I've been sitting at the spot for 15 mins now waiting for it to spawn :/
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 15, 2017, 01:31:31 AM
Fates that are required for single player quests kinda suck.  The first Hildebrand quest has me waiting for a zombie fate in south thanalan and I've been sitting at the spot for 15 mins now waiting for it to spawn :/

That's... odd. The zombie fate for Hildibrand (Fallen Corpses Writhe in Style) is up almost 24/7, its the FATE I did the most when farming them for relic stuff was a thing. It's weirder /not/ seeing it up.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 15, 2017, 01:38:14 AM
It popped a few mins later.  I think the problem is that the non-HW server is kinda dead so the other Fates on the map have to expire first (because it seems like there's a max fates on map limit at any time) and no one is doing them.  I mean outside Coerthas/Mor Dhona, no one is doing almost any fates in this game.  I'm guessing it's because everyone still playing spends most of their time in the HW areas doing fates there.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 15, 2017, 02:06:44 AM
While true, that's the reason why they massively jacked up the spawn rate for the few Fates that are required by all 2.X story quests. You'll see the FATEs needed for Labyrinth of the Ancients, Hildibrand, etc up and running more often than they're not there. You probably just caught the FATE at a bad time, cause, really, that FATE is up every time I warp into the zone for anything.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 15, 2017, 02:23:42 AM
I just read all the relic weapon -> zodiac weapon pathline reqs.

Nope.  Gonna bail on this quest early on.  I'll come back 200 hours later after I beat Stormblood if I'm looking for something left quest-wise to do.  Are the Chimera/Hydra boss trials locked behind this?  Because I wanna do those fights....
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 15, 2017, 02:40:22 AM
You can get up to the Zenith step for the relic weapon with no issues. You make the base relic weapon, then use some poetic tomestones to buy a tonic to upgrade it. It's what was included as part of 2.0, its painless, and it includes the Hydra and Chimera trials for you to unlock. It also takes you to the spot in north shroud where you can upgrade your 120 poetics gear to 130 using the upgrade materials you can also buy from the same NPC in Mor Dhona.

Every step after that is the ridiculous grind that is obsolete at this point unless you really really want a Zodiac weapon for glamour purposes.

....I have three of them.  :goty2
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 15, 2017, 02:46:39 AM
What do you think the market price is for the material melded base weapons these days?  If it's like more than 20-30k I don't have that kind of Gil around.

I'll check the AH next time I'm on.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 15, 2017, 02:53:28 AM
Heh, I completely forgot that green weapon you need to use as the base. You're doing Ninja, right? Those should be relatively cheap, and if not, I can craft one for you next time I log in. Those weapons are completely obsolete, so the mats for making them are dirt cheap.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 15, 2017, 12:06:35 PM
Alright, I checked the AH:

Vampire Knives w/Heaven's Eye III Materia = 88k
Vampire Knights without materia = 45k
Heaven's Eye III Materia = 1.8kgil
Carbonized Matter Grade 3 = only available in packs of 99 for like 30k gil

If I didn't have to get the carbonized matter, it'd be way cheaper to just buy the knives without materia and the materia.  Anyone have extra carbonized matter grade 3?

*edit*, nm the NPC in town did it without the matter for 500 gil each lol.  Man why would you ever meld your own material when the NPC in town will do it for cheap and you don't even need carbonized matter?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 15, 2017, 12:35:47 PM
that materia melder guy was only added over the summer iirc. before that you had to do it yourself or find someone who would. also if you ever do need carbonized master for whatever reason just let me know. I have tons and can easily get more.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 15, 2017, 04:50:10 PM
that materia melder guy was only added over the summer iirc. before that you had to do it yourself or find someone who would. also if you ever do need carbonized master for whatever reason just let me know. I have tons and can easily get more.

Yeah, I figured that was what happened.  Definitely a very nice solo-friendly QoL change there.  Can't wait for the new patch so I don't have to keep dismissing my goddamn chocobro every time I sign up for a duty and get in queue.

Did Chimera earlier this morning and the party just melted him in <60 seconds lol.  Seemed easier than when you fight him as the boss in Cutter's Cry because he doesn't have those blue eyes/violet eyes symbols where you gotta move around.  Next up for my relic is Amadoor Keep.  Glad I hadn't done that dungeon yet!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 15, 2017, 04:52:23 PM
Did Chimera earlier this morning and the party just melted him in <60 seconds lol.  Seemed easier than when you fight him as the boss in Cutter's Cry because he doesn't have those blue eyes/violet eyes symbols where you gotta move around.  Next up for my relic is Amadoor Keep.  Glad I hadn't done that dungeon yet!

He does. He just, like every version after Cutter's Cry, doesn't have a big text symbol telling you what move he'll do next. You have to actually pay attention to his cast bar to see what he's doing.  :lol

FFXIV likes to follow the old school philosophy of introducing an easy version of a monster/mechanic earlier on, then complicating it later once you've already learned it.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 15, 2017, 05:44:19 PM
I'll run amdapor with you if you haven't yet. i need to do it again for my last shitty zodiac book
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 15, 2017, 05:48:03 PM
Sure, I'll be on tonight.  Maybe in an hour or two?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 15, 2017, 05:53:11 PM
ok I'll get on in the next 30
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 15, 2017, 10:27:15 PM
Had a really good session with PT!  We did Amdapor's Keep & Lost City of Amdapor and some Fates and Triple Triad.  Are the two Amdapor stages supposed to be two versions of the same stage?  Because they seem like totally different stages.  Had some cool bosses.  DEMON WALL and Diablos out of nowhere was awesome.  Good fights.

Did the Hydra which was a little more challenging than the Chimera.  Next step for my relic is to do Ifrit/Garuda/Titan hard modes.  Which is fine since I haven't even unlocked Garuda/Titan (hard) so when I do I'll get the drops needed to almost finish my relic.  Don't mind replaying Ifrit (hard) since it's a fun and short fight. 

So looking at the Relic/Zodiac list.  Since I can just buy i120 weapons (which I already got from silver chocobo feathers trade-in), the Relic/Zodiac weapon won't surpass that in strength until the Zodiac Brave i125 stage.  Yeah, definitely sounds not worth it.  Once they started giving away i120 weapons for nothing in Poetic tomestones, you'd think they would have let you skip the outdated levels of the Relic/Zodiac quest and go directly to whatever is slightly stronger than i120.  I think I'll stop once I get my Relic Zenith.

Oh, I just saw for the Anima weapons you don't need to have done Relic or Zodiac line.  That's good.  Maybe I'll get my Relic Zenith and then do the Anima Weapon line when I finish HW and just skip the Zodiac weapon questline.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 16, 2017, 12:36:38 AM
They don't let you skip the steps outright because you're technically meant to do those steps as the patches drop, so your relic weapon was up to date with the item level for the patch. And those steps have been nerfed as they compared to how they were before, it's just the the anima/animus steps are so bad that even with the nerfs they take a long ass time.  :lol

By comparison, the nerfs they did to all the later steps and parts of the anima weapon quests are much, much better.

And nah, Amdapor Keep and Lost City of Amdapor are different dungeons. They're just called that cause they belong to the same extinct culture.  :japancry
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 16, 2017, 12:48:46 AM
What did they do to make the Zodiac questline easier?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 16, 2017, 01:44:17 AM
Ok, so got into Sycrus Tower (Crystal Tower pt.2) and it was AWESOME.  Really good music, cool stage, throwback Skeletor boss dude and final boss.  Some good loot too.  Only downside was it was really easy?  It actually seemed easier than Labyrinth of the Ancients because there weren't any tricky mechanics like that boss's ancient flare wipe stuff.  I don't think anyone died the entire raid compared to part 1 where we had a bunch of deaths along the way.

Still was a blast.  These raids are fun!  Fighting in big arenas with tons of big enemies one after another, everyone doing their stuff.  Pretty great.  Makes me look forward to Matsuno's Return to Ivalice raid.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 16, 2017, 01:47:35 AM
- All the tomestome mats you need to buy for the base relic / zenith were indirectly nerfed by tomestone replacements. The game launched with Tomestones of Philosophy, and every special currency they released afterwards replaced the previous one until you got Poetics. With every upgrade, the number of tomes you needed to get the mats went down.

- Atma: The 12 Atma you needed to gather by doing FATEs had a ludicrously low drop rate of 5-10% per fate. Now its around 25%, which is still low, (48 fates on average to get all 12), but still better than it was before.

- Animus: Each of the nine book you need to complete required tomestomes to buy, so they got nerfed with the tomestone changes over time. This is the step that is arguably the most time consuming, but still got the lightest nerf: For every single book, you need to kill 10 different monsters, 3 dungeons, 3 levequests and 3 specific fates. The nerf made it so instead of killing 10 of each monster, you only need to kill 3 of each monster. As if that's the time consuming part of it.  ::)

- Novus: You need 75 Alexandrite/materia to finish this part. Alexandrite is obtained via special treasure maps that only dropped one at a time, but now drop 5 at a time. You can also buy the maps for tomestones which, again, got nerfed by having more valuable tomestones be added later. The materia side used to make it really expensive (you used to need to get up to rank 3/4 materia for a specific stat back when it relevant content), but because the weapon is obsolete, you can just fill it up with cheap tier 1 and tier 2 materia of any stat.

- Nexus: With the Relic equipped, you need to beat any instanced content (dungeons/trials/etc) to fill up your weapon with 2000 "lights", with the specific content you do giving differing amounts. The value of lights used to be really low (with 1 for the weakest tier for stuff like Cape Westwind), but now the values are much higher at 8/16/32/48/96/128. Plus, there's 2 hour periods were certain instances have double light values, making it go by even faster.

- Zodiac: Instead of Fate anima, this step had "dungeon anima" which made you run dungeons with a 25% chance of getting the drop at the end. The nerf made it so those items dropped 100% of the time instead. You need to finish four different quests to finish the step, and to finish them, you need over 400k gil, 80k Company Seals, 1600 Allagan Tomestone of Poetics, drops from 16 dungeons, 8 3-star HQ crafted items, many desynthesis items and some miscellaneous items. Overall the most time consuming step alongside Novus.

- Zodiac Zeta: a joke final step to get your weapon to i125. It "combines" some of the previous steps with 12 Atma that you need buy for 50 poetics each, then fill up with lights the same way as before, but you only need to get 40 lights per atma for a total of 480 versus the 2000 from before. Didn't get a nerf because it didn't need one.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 16, 2017, 01:49:43 AM
Ok, so got into Sycrus Tower (Crystal Tower pt.2) and it was AWESOME.  Really good music, cool stage, throwback Skeletor boss dude and final boss.  Some good loot too.  Only downside was it was really easy?  It actually seemed easier than Labyrinth of the Ancients because there weren't any tricky mechanics like that boss's ancient flare wipe stuff.  I don't think anyone died the entire raid compared to part 1 where we had a bunch of deaths along the way.

Still was a blast.  These raids are fun!  Fighting in big arenas with tons of big enemies one after another, everyone doing their stuff.  Pretty great.  Makes me look forward to Matsuno's Return to Ivalice raid.

Yeah, Syrcus Tower is much "easier" than Labyrinth because the latter tended to be too frustrating at times way back when. There's very few "do this or wipe" mechanics to it, and for the most part you don't need to split into groups like the others ask of you. Still fun though!

Amon is cool, you can get his hat and clothes as drops for Bard and Machinist.
(http://i.imgur.com/D8aEzXK.jpg?1)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 16, 2017, 01:55:28 AM
Wow, I just watched a raid guide for Sycrus Tower and I had no idea what 90% of the things going on during that raid were but got lucky and never died just by sticking to the bosses and killing adds.  It's fun watching this stuff after doing the raid and going "oh, that's why everyone was standing in those yellow circles"

Although I think the 2nd boss glitched with the jump pads because we never had to do the jump pad thing.  He just did some weird unleash thing and then came back down and we finished him off.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 16, 2017, 01:57:47 AM
Although I think the 2nd boss glitched with the jump pads because we never had to do the jump pad thing.  He just did some weird unleash thing and then came back down and we finished him off.

That's just how he's killed now.  :lol People found out that if you burn him down quick enough during the early phases, you can kill him before that phase happens, which lots of tanks cause raid wipes on due to not being able to position the robot adds that show up in the right spots. i1120/130 gear helps lots in that regard,
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 16, 2017, 02:11:58 AM
- All the tomestome mats you need to buy for the base relic / zenith were indirectly nerfed by tomestone replacements. The game launched with Tomestones of Philosophy, and every special currency they released afterwards replaced the previous one until you got Poetics. With every upgrade, the number of tomes you needed to get the mats went down.

- Atma: The 12 Atma you needed to gather by doing FATEs had a ludicrously low drop rate of 5-10% per fate. Now its around 25%, which is still low, (48 fates on average to get all 12), but still better than it was before.

- Animus: Each of the nine book you need to complete required tomestomes to buy, so they got nerfed with the tomestone changes over time. This is the step that is arguably the most time consuming, but still got the lightest nerf: For every single book, you need to kill 10 different monsters, 3 dungeons, 3 levequests and 3 specific fates. The nerf made it so instead of killing 10 of each monster, you only need to kill 3 of each monster. As if that's the time consuming part of it.  ::)

- Novus: You need 75 Alexandrite/materia to finish this part. Alexandrite is obtained via special treasure maps that only dropped one at a time, but now drop 5 at a time. You can also buy the maps for tomestones which, again, got nerfed by having more valuable tomestones be added later. The materia side used to make it really expensive (you used to need to get up to rank 3/4 materia for a specific stat back when it relevant content), but because the weapon is obsolete, you can just fill it up with cheap tier 1 and tier 2 materia of any stat.

- Nexus: With the Relic equipped, you need to beat any instanced content (dungeons/trials/etc) to fill up your weapon with 2000 "lights", with the specific content you do giving differing amounts. The value of lights used to be really low (with 1 for the weakest tier for stuff like Cape Westwind), but now the values are much higher at 8/16/32/48/96/128. Plus, there's 2 hour periods were certain instances have double light values, making it go by even faster.

- Zodiac: Instead of Fate anima, this step had "dungeon anima" which made you run dungeons with a 25% chance of getting the drop at the end. The nerf made it so those items dropped 100% of the time instead. You need to finish four different quests to finish the step, and to finish them, you need over 400k gil, 80k Company Seals, 1600 Allagan Tomestone of Poetics, drops from 16 dungeons, 8 3-star HQ crafted items, many desynthesis items and some miscellaneous items. Overall the most time consuming step alongside Novus.

- Zodiac Zeta: a joke final step to get your weapon to i125. It "combines" some of the previous steps with 12 Atma that you need buy for 50 poetics each, then fill up with lights the same way as before, but you only need to get 40 lights per atma for a total of 480 versus the 2000 from before. Didn't get a nerf because it didn't need one.

So you do all of that and then 3 months later the next patch introduces a better weapon that you can get just from a drop or tome trade-in?  Don't they need to like make these ultimate weapons worth it more?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 16, 2017, 02:18:23 AM
Also, so this whole Crystal Tower raid is basically an FF3 tribute?  I hope they do stuff like that with other classic FF titles.  Was kinda bummed when the Phantom Train was just a train in the MSQ story mentioned off-screen and you don't actually get to fight an evil ghost train :(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 16, 2017, 02:24:41 AM
So you do all of that and then 3 months later the next patch introduces a better weapon that you can get just from a drop or tome trade-in?  Don't they need to like make these ultimate weapons worth it more?

Oh no, not like that. 2.0 launched with the base relic and the Zenith step, then subsequent patches added all of the later steps one by one as the maximum item level avaiable in the game went up. The idea behind the questline is to provide players who don't want to/can't do the high level raid with a means to get a powerful weapon for that tier. When Anima weapons become a thing in 3.X, you were given the option to convert your Zodiac Zeta weapon (which was obsolete due to being a i135 level 50 weapon), to skip the first step of the Anima weapon (though you can still re-buy a replica of it for glamour purposes).
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 16, 2017, 02:32:56 AM
Also, so this whole Crystal Tower raid is basically an FF3 tribute?  I hope they do stuff like that with other classic FF titles. Was kinda bummed when the Phantom Train was just a train in the MSQ story mentioned off-screen and you don't actually get to fight an evil ghost train :(

The Phantom Train is indeed a train used by the Garleans in Castrum Meridanium. That train on the other hand...  :P

(http://i.imgur.com/gK28lUu.png)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 16, 2017, 02:12:07 PM
So the MMO addiction is real.  Servers being down today  :'(  I feel like I've lost the motivation to play any other games.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 16, 2017, 11:57:27 PM
*taps veins*

one more hour....
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 17, 2017, 10:42:16 AM
heard people saying turn off character titles before you finish 3.5. pretty shitty for anyone who's not caught up, but I wonder how bad a spoiler it could be.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 17, 2017, 10:59:12 AM
It's p bad

Also this patch's MSQ fucking rocked.  :punch The cutscene direction alone was better than anything in FFXV's piss stain of a story.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 17, 2017, 11:01:00 AM
I'm so hyped they finally gave this game cutscene budget. everything since 3.3 has been epic. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 17, 2017, 02:25:28 PM
Awesome to hear the cutscene direction gets better.  It's the one thing holding the cutscenes back at this point in 2.1

heard people saying turn off character titles before you finish 3.5. pretty shitty for anyone who's not caught up, but I wonder how bad a spoiler it could be.

What is a character title?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 17, 2017, 02:50:04 PM
above a character walking around, you'll see their name, fc name, and title. you get titles from achievements and can select them in your character menu. stuff like <<warrior of light >> or ummmm i can't think of any other examples
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 17, 2017, 02:55:04 PM
Why would this effect a story cutscene?  Does the NPC have a title that says "SECRETLY THE VILLAIN" or something?  Btw, I've noticed that the main guy on the artwork for 3.5 looks exactly like some NPC dude hanging out at the Archers Guild in Gridania.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 17, 2017, 03:18:16 PM
There's a major spoiler character title you get half way through the 3.0 MSQ as well. There's a major NPC... let's just call him Joe.  Well when you fight and kill him, you get an achievement and the title "Joe Slayer" that you can proudly display above or below your character name to show off what you've done. The problem is that I might not have gotten to that point in the MSQ yet. I might not even realize that Joe is someone who needs slaying. Well I run across you displaying your newly-won title while you're hanging out in Mor Dhona and now that part of the MSQ is spoiled for me.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 17, 2017, 03:23:59 PM
Some titles are really cool (at least for a while).  When you beat the last turn of the Final Cool of Bahamut, you get a title "The Final Witness."  And back in 2.XX if you saw someone with the title "Melusine Mauler" you knew they were fucking badass hardcore players.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 17, 2017, 03:43:47 PM
Thanks for the explanation.  I've never really paid attention.  Seems like everyone just has Heart of the Party.  But I'll turn it off until I catch up with the storyline.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 17, 2017, 04:13:50 PM
"Alphinaud Slayer"
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 17, 2017, 05:06:21 PM
Well, he seemed a bit of a prick anyhow :p

Tbh, all the twists and stuff so far seemed pretty telegrammed.  Like Marquez who you could see Cid's goggles under his robe hood lol.  Only twist that caught me by surprise in 2.0 was:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Thancreed being the masked Ascian guy.  Mostly because they had totally different voices with masked Char guy being Char in the Japanese VA because these days in jrpgs every villain is Char
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Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 17, 2017, 05:32:28 PM
Apparently the Japanese 3.5 title isn't spoilery at all.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 17, 2017, 10:30:07 PM
That feeling when you've gotten so strong you start fighting the B rank Elite Hunt and with just your chocobo and then the doorbell rings and you go and get it and then you come back and you've killed the B rank hunt with just auto-attacks and a healer chocobo  :lol

Time to start fighting A rank hunts!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 18, 2017, 12:25:20 AM
And the complete opposite reaction when my duty finder team can't beat Odin trial after an hour straight of trying :(

I need people to help me beat it for the quest :(  DPS-wise we had a bad setup too with 2 Paladins instead of any warriors and one of the DPS was a bard.  Just couldn't pass the DPS check :(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 18, 2017, 12:31:11 AM
lol told you that shit was hard. I can join you tomorrow.


i still wish they'd make an odin ex fight
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 18, 2017, 12:35:36 AM
I don't like the fight, he has so much armor it just feels like you're chipping at it and the battle takes forever.  It's a pain in the butt, feels like a grind.

Also I don't get it.  Sure level is synced to 50, but item level is unsynced, shouldn't my party members who are all like lvl 60 and ilvl 200+ just be melting this guy?  This fight cause me to go spend my poetics and work on getting my full i120 set.  I was at i97 and now I'm at i109 I think.  I had real trouble surviving the red gungnir drops with my <5k HP.  I'd have like 800hp after they dropped and unless a healer was on me right away, sometimes I'd die fighting the gungnirs.  Now I've got 5300hp, but if I get a few more i90->i120 pieces hopefully I can at least get to 6k.

I saw an unsynced party on party finder.  I know I don't get xp, but for quest purposes can I beat things unsynced?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 18, 2017, 12:45:34 AM
Also this seems like a bad night for queues.  I'm guessing everyone is playing the new 3.5 MSQ.  Odin took an hour to fill and I've been waiting in this Qarn queue for the 2.1 MSQ for 20 mins+ now with no luck.  Think this is just a bad night.  Gonna bail for tonight.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 18, 2017, 12:53:38 AM
yeah an unsynced win still counts as completion

and yeah that's exactly why queue times suck tonight. everyone's doing new content instead of roulettes
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 18, 2017, 01:36:49 AM
I'm glad I turned off Character Titles.  Just finished the 3.5 MSQ and yeah... that title is a huge fucking spoiler.  Not cool, SE.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 18, 2017, 02:56:48 AM
So second duty finder group of randoms vs. Odin trial for the night:

Everyone was first timer except for me (2nd time) & one tank  :lol
But me and the non-first timer guy took the lead and started directing people.
First time we did good damage but we got wiped on the spear drops.
non-first timer guy taught the healers how to heal. 
Second time we did alright but we got wiped on the spear drops because our DPS group was not coordinating on a single spear at a time.
I led some marking ideas.  We also had some issue with the first timer tank who couldn't survive and tank Odin and was a little upset  :'(
Third time we did better but one DPS still kept attacking a spear by himself ^^;
Fourth time someone used the limit break on the 2nd spear drop ^^^^^^^^^^;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; then we wiped on the final attack ><
FIFTH time we did good, got to the end with 2 levels of lb, everyone still alive, I did the limit break and then we piled on and we were just not doing the damage I'd hoped.  It's cutting it way too close
down to the wire, his bar finished and he starts the move and then it cuts to black and give the achievement and cutscene and then it cuts back
and the entire chat is:

Quote
FUCK
HOLY FUCK
AAAAAHHHHHHH
OMG THAT WAS CLOSE
SO INTENSE
ADRENALINE SHOT
FFFFFUUUUUUCK

/phew

That is seriously a hard fucking fight.  You need your healers to be GOOD (I could tell the first team I played with where we kept dying it was the healers not keeping us alive after the spear drops, I could really tell the difference with my HP with the second party, I didn't have to worry about dying after the spears dropped before I could even attack them.  Although I was a little higher ilevel from 97-107) and then on top of your healers being good, you need your DPS to coordinate so you can wipe the spears out fast after they drop.  If you can do that then you just gotta not have some random dude use the lb early and then if everyone is alive at the end and you've got your lb and everyone wails on Odin in the final part you can...probably win.  I say probably because the first time I did it with we hit Odin with a L3 limit break and everyone wailing and we still didn't clear and it wasn't close, he still had like 5% HP.  I read he starts his move at 15% HP OR 6 mins remaining and I bet the first group it was always activating when he had like 20%+ HP after 6 mins because we just weren't doing enough damage.  I kept cheering on our 2nd group death after death giving pointers because it felt like our damage output was pretty good so it seemed like the challenge was just surviving, and we did win but even with what felt like good damage output it was way too close.

Like this is one place where I feel like as a NIN (and there's always like 2 NINs in our duty finder parties), having that Blood 4 Blood extra 10% damage would make a difference to the point where I was a little concerned I might need to grind Dragoon to 34 just to get that skill in order to beat Odin.  Pretty sure the other NIN in my party didn't have that either, so we were both doing 10% less than if we were maxing.

And in other news, my Fisherman job is up to lvl.38 which is where my Alt job Paladin is, so next time I go fishing it'll pass that and be my 2nd highest job.  Been moving quick as I just fish while waiting in queues.  Gonna be my 2nd job I get to 50!  Meanwhile my crafters are all slowly moving to lvl.15 right now since they go up like a 1/2 level a day with all my daily turn-ins.  I could focus on a specific crafting job and level it quick, but I realized I like being able to craft full set of equipment for all the various crafting jobs as I level them so by leveling them all together I can make whatever pieces I need which is super convenient.  Plus leveling all the crafters will come in helpful if I ever wanna do other battle classes since I can just outfit them as they level.  Now mining/botany....zzzzzz, although one of my retainers is a miner but is level capped right now at lvl.15 because I don't want to grind mining :(  Maybe after I max out fishing I'll do some mining/botany while waiting for queues.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 18, 2017, 07:28:11 AM
Good story. I love reading tales like that.  :heartbeat

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I probably shouldn't mention that me and SpeedStats were duoing Odin yesterday as Warrior and Scholar for drops.  :shh
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I don't like the fight, he has so much armor it just feels like you're chipping at it and the battle takes forever.  It's a pain in the butt, feels like a grind.

Also I don't get it.  Sure level is synced to 50, but item level is unsynced, shouldn't my party members who are all like lvl 60 and ilvl 200+ just be melting this guy?  This fight cause me to go spend my poetics and work on getting my full i120 set.  I was at i97 and now I'm at i109 I think.  I had real trouble surviving the red gungnir drops with my <5k HP.  I'd have like 800hp after they dropped and unless a healer was on me right away, sometimes I'd die fighting the gungnirs.  Now I've got 5300hp, but if I get a few more i90->i120 pieces hopefully I can at least get to 6k.

I saw an unsynced party on party finder.  I know I don't get xp, but for quest purposes can I beat things unsynced?

So how it works is:

If unsyced: Everyone fights at whatever level they have 50-60 and whatever their current item level is.

If content is item level synced, your gear is synced down to the maximum allowed value for the dungeon (say, i230 for one of the level 60 dungeons).

If content is level synced but has no item level sync: Your party members are synced down to the highest level allowed for the content (say, level 53 for one of HW's leveling dungeons), and their gear is synced to the highest possible value you can have at said level (i130 at level 50, i150 or somesuch at 53).

If content is both level synced and item level synced: You are synced down to the highest level allowed for the dungeon and the highest item level possible for that level. This is the case for all of the ARR dungeons, and will be the case for the HW dungeons once Stormblood comes out.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 18, 2017, 12:07:45 PM
Started working on my Dark Knight Anima weapon, will probably also do the Monk one later.

(http://i.imgur.com/4OSmZC1.jpg)

Sometimes I wonder if I truly love myself.  :'(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 18, 2017, 01:56:05 PM
At least it looks cool.


So thinking about it the next day, I can see why Odin can be easy if you're playing with friends who know what to do (or people who've beat it before and know what to do), the problem and what makes the fight so tough is that if you're paired up with first-timers (and from what I understand, Odin Trial is not in any of the roulette, and there's not a lot of incentive for players who've beat it to keep playing it, so it's likely you will get matched with many first-timers) it's a really tightly designed fight without much leeway and a single player or two not knowing what to do can make the fight basically impossible to win.  You have a healer that doesn't know the proper ways to heal?  You're fucked.  You have a tank who doesn't know how to tank tough bosses and keeps dying?  You're fucked.  You have uncoordinated DPS who doesn't attack the same spear as everyone else?  You're possibly fucked?  Your healers aren't going into cleric stance and your Paladins aren't going into sword oath for the final DPS check?  You might be fucked.

There's just a lot of ways you can be fucked.  It's the first time I've lost a fight in FFXIV and it's the first fight I've felt like maaaaybe I should look into party finder/friends vs. duty finder randoms.  Now I get why duty finder is troublesome for the hardest raids/fights.

Also, thanks for explaining the max ilevel for lvl.50 which all the ARR 2.0 post-content is locked at.  So i130 is the highest, so even with Odin you can't just melt his life down with i250 stuff if you're running sync.  After you get i120 ironworks set, where do you get i130 gear at this point?

And when you're in a party, how do you see the combined DPS #?  I've seen people describe it online for the Odin fight, like 1700+
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 18, 2017, 02:44:36 PM
Hell, when me and SpeedStats were duoing Odin, we still only kill him at the very end of the cast bar for Shin Zantestsuken. That timer is no joke. Odin IS part of trial roulette, he's just not a common encounter to get in it.

To get i130, you have to upgrade your poetics gear by buying either Carbontwine (upgrades your left side armor) or Carboncoat  (upgrades your right side accessories) from the same npc in Mor Dhona. Alternatively, you can get them as drops from doing the World of Darkness raid, as well as an Enchanted Tomestone that lets you obtain an i130 Ironworks weapon (you can also buy the tomestone from the npc). Once you get an upgrade material, take it to Drake at 30x/20y in North Shroud.

When you augment your poetics gear, you won't actually get better equipment than that until you reach the level 55 Heavensward dungeon, so it will last you a long long while.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 18, 2017, 02:51:01 PM
Oh, that sounds easy to get to i130.  Cool, yeah I figure I'll stick with lvl.50 stuff until I start HW since all the pre-HW stuff is locked at 50 anyhow.

On Odin, when I was googling threads last night to read tips a couple said it wasn't part of the trial roulette.  Hmmm, man that would suck to do the roulette as a daily, get Odin with a bad group and then spend 90 mins failing just to get your daily ><
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 18, 2017, 03:06:18 PM
most people will drop loooong before that 90 minutes is up
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 18, 2017, 03:13:31 PM
I thought you get punished hard for dropping?  Which makes sense because they don't want players to drop on first-timers who need party members.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 18, 2017, 03:18:04 PM
nope just a thirty minute ban from df i think. and iirc you can drop after a certain number of minutes have passed and you won't be punished.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 18, 2017, 03:20:30 PM
Urth's Fount (Odin's trial) is not a part of the Trials Roulette.

Odin is not a difficult fight mechanically. It is just a tight DPS check, even at i130. People still have incentive to run Odin as it's often included in the weekly Wondrous Tails. You'll see it in Party Finder unsynced.

The Extreme Trials are not part of the roulette system because they were not designed to be played with random players. When extreme trials are first released you cannot even do them via Duty Finder until they've been out for a few months. Upon release, they're now included in the relatively new Raid Finder, which allows you to queue only into parties with other people who have cleared the duty before if you want to be more selective.

You can also upgrade your i120 Ironworks gear with items dropped from the final three turns of the Final Coil of Bahamut (FCOB). FCOB also drops i130 gear and i135 weapons. FCOB turns are also included as part of the weekly Wondrous Tails. So you'll see unsynced Party Finder groups looking to run them as well.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 18, 2017, 03:25:25 PM
nope just a thirty minute ban from df i think. and iirc you can drop after a certain number of minutes have passed and you won't be punished.

Thirty minute ban for dropping out even if you drop out with ten or less seconds on the clock.
However after 15 minutes you can initiate a "Vote Abandon" and if a majority of players vote yes, the duty will end early with no penalty.

You do not incur a penalty for leaving a duty with an under-manned party. So if someone leaves early and incurs the penalty, you can leave and will not incur the penalty yourself. Just be sure you leave before the duty Finder replenishes your ranks.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 18, 2017, 03:37:18 PM
Odin is not a difficult fight mechanically. It is just a tight DPS check, even at i130. People still have incentive to run Odin as it's often included in the weekly Wondrous Tails. You'll see it in Party Finder unsynced.

I'd argue that it's still tough beyond the DPS check after watching 2 random duty finder parties wipe about 3-4 times each before even getting to the DPS check.  It's just one spot when the second spears drop and he simultaneously releases a screenwide attack or something and it does hard damage to everyone that can kill off some uncoordinated party members and then the healers try to revive them and sometimes fail/die and it all goes downhill to a wipe.  Obviously the trick is after the 2nd set of spears drop and everyone is low on HP, that all the DPS group on a single spear and the healers do an AoE heal to get them back to ok.  If the DPS are dumb and split up and all have like <1k hp, the healers are scrambling to heal them at different places and several DPS will die.  Also if that happens + 1 or more of your tanks die or 1 of your healers die...yeah.

In fact, at the end of my two parties of fighting Odin, I felt like if you all survive that 2nd spear drop and get rid of the spears with everyone still alive, you've passed the biggest hurdle and now it's just a numbers thing to see if you pass the DPS check.  I mean that part isn't even scary/tough it's just everyone hits and you see how the numbers add up.  The second spear drop is a lot more chaotic running around imo from my limited experience.

That second spear drop part is a challenging healing/survival check and harder than any other battles I've encountered so far in ARR.  I'm sure there's tougher stuff to come, but it's a good challenge.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 18, 2017, 04:20:05 PM
Well, it's a healer check for sure in addition to being a DPS check. But there aren't any really tricky mechanics. It's certainly tougher than most of the ARR content but no where near Extreme/Savage difficulty. It's probably the first non-Extreme fight where you can't have any weak links, but coordination is still minimal. Most non-EX fights just take longer to complete if you have one or more weak links. Odin requires everyone to at least know their job.

And the healers hope to god the DPS have the appropriate self-healing cross-class skills.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 18, 2017, 09:12:59 PM
With the new cross server Party Finder, I'd be glad to run anything with you guys.  I'm on Behemoth server, Primal Data Center
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 18, 2017, 10:58:40 PM
Under the weather but got a little in today.  Googled NPCs for triple triad and got my last few cards to 60 after the new 3.5 imperial booster back gave me a bunch more cards.  Playing NPCs with ridiculous decks and rules and RNG with a pre-60 deck is brutal.  Now with a 60 deck it seems ok.  Why do I have a feeling Stormblood will introduce the next rank at 90 cards where you can have as many 4-star cards as you want and then I'll be grinding NPCs for cards again ><. Anyhow, now I just gotta make my decks and I can play people.

Did Garuda (hard). was easy.  Didn't feel any different strategy-wise than normal besides the clones at the end but everyone just wailed on the real one and it ended.

Did Thornmarch.  Cute fight but not mechanically interesting.  Just kill the adds, kill the boss, a bit underwhelming. 

Random cool 3.5 thing, I like that I can jump straight into a duty finder queue pop-up mid-triple triad NPC match.  I missed a queue once because was in a game and accidentally hit rematch instead of quit.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 18, 2017, 11:10:35 PM
lol try thornmarch extreme now for extreme controller-throwing action
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 18, 2017, 11:14:12 PM
Garuda is probably the easiest of all the Hard mode primals. She used to be harder but well.... gear just destroys everything you used to have to worry about. Doesn't even have a "stop what you're doing and do this" mechanic like Ifrit.

The current TT ranks have existed since ARR and didn't get boosted for Heavensward, so SB prob won't change that.

4 star cards stay losing.  :maf
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 19, 2017, 01:38:54 AM
Garuda is probably the easiest of all the Hard mode primals. She used to be harder but well.... gear just destroys everything you used to have to worry about. Doesn't even have a "stop what you're doing and do this" mechanic like Ifrit.

The current TT ranks have existed since ARR and didn't get boosted for Heavensward, so SB prob won't change that.

4 star cards stay losing.  :maf

Hmm, you're right.  4 star cards have 0 point right now since you are always going to default to a 5 star card for your one "ultimate" card and then either have a 1-star, 2-star, or 3-star deck.

I do think they're going to expand to a "gather 90 cards for 4 star deck" and then later "gather 120 cards for 5 star deck" just because those add more grind time-wasters to battle NPCs for their RNG drop and MMOs, especially FFXIV, seem to love to introduce new systems to grind more and more.  But the longer it takes, the better because getting to 60 was a pain in the ass and I don't want to have to get to 90 anytime soon (and hopefully by the time 90 requirement is introduced I'll have gotten a ton more from drops in dungeons; that's the most fun way to get them).

lol try thornmarch extreme now for extreme controller-throwing action

So I googled a bit to see what this was and in theory reading the fight it sounds fun, but I'm guessing in reality it's a pain because I stumbled across many threads saying no one plays Thornmarch extreme more than once because it's a pain in the ass.  From what I gather the big deal is that you have to be consistently hitting the BLM/WM to stop them from casting wipe attacks?  One thread I saw said you just need a ranged DPS hitting both back and forth when they start to cast and you're good.  Dunno, I'll see for myself when I get to the Extreme fights.  I keep hearing Titan Extreme is a bit hard.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 19, 2017, 05:46:15 AM
Well, I was up late working and the server came back online so finished 2.1 Realm Awoken and did Pharos Sirus.  Nice BGM for that dungeon, but after doing all this higher-level stuff it was kind of melt everything.  I was paired with a Japanese team and no one talked and I realized it's way less fun when no one is talking in a dungeon.  Unlocked Titan (hard) and Thornmarch (extreme), so I'll probably try those next time and some more of the lvl.50 dungeons I need to do before jumping into 2.2.  Still gotta do the World of Darkness 3rd part of the Crystal Tower raid.  Probably over the weekend will do that.

I'm a little over 170 hours at this point.  Figuring will probably finish the ARR stuff somewhere between 200-220 hours at this rate and then will be at HW.  Will definitely finish HW before Stormblood comes out.


So by 3.5 now, with the higher budget cutscenes, is there actually voice acting for the patch MSQs?  Because like with 2.1 I felt at least the opening cutscene and the ending cutscene of 2.1 should've been voiced but none of it was.  Which is kinda lame if all the post-game 2.1-2.5, 3.1-3.5 tons of story MSQ is completely non-voiced.

Oh yeah and glamor is expensive!  Since I got an i120 helmet I went to glamor it to the head piece I like and I went to the AH board to get the glamor item (goldsmith) and there were tons of listings but it's like $5,500 gil for 1.  Pricey.  Guessing at lvl.50 with a crafter you can just make your own?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 19, 2017, 06:38:01 AM
There's more and more voice acting in the game as the patches go on. While there's obviously still lots of segments with no VA (cause that shit ain't feasible: see The Old Republic), there's much more effort put into making sure key scenes are voiced.

You can actually make all the glamour prisms at level 30 crafter for that specific type. Not even that long of a wait and there's no level requirement if you want to use it for higher level gear.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 19, 2017, 10:19:39 AM
... level 30? you mean i coulda been making them myself instead of spending tens of thousands of dollars? wtf  :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 19, 2017, 02:01:00 PM
Ah Thornmarch Extreme, aka Mog Ex...

The only primal where wipes are caused by too much damage!  You don't attack the King till end when he's doing his final move. The goal is to DPS all the little moogles as low as possible without killing any of them until they're all around 15% HP. When one dies, the King will heal all the little moogles out of his own HP, so you want them all to have really low HP before actually finish one off. There are three rounds of this, after which the King will begin casting his ultimate move. You have to kill all the little moogles again and begin attacking the King. If you don't kill the King before he finishes his cast, he instantly kills your entire party. If you killed little moogles too early during the first three rounds, the King will still have too much HP for you to kill him before he finishes casting his ultimate move.  Wipes are generally caused by over aggressive DPS or DOTs killing the moogles early during the first three rounds.  Also healers failing to cleanse a particularly mast status effect.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 19, 2017, 02:32:26 PM
bad dps always ALWAYS screws up the fight
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 19, 2017, 03:14:19 PM
Hmm, yeah that sounds a bit of a pain, especially if you get some people who are doing it first time and don't know/don't listen.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 19, 2017, 03:23:04 PM
.... time to make all that money back
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 19, 2017, 03:25:48 PM
... level 30? you mean i coulda been making them myself instead of spending tens of thousands of dollars? wtf  :-\ :-\ :-\
:shh

Yeah, I've got a goldsmith at lvl.22 (rest of the crafters are around lvl.12 now), so I'll probably speed the one to 30 so I can make glamors for my NIN.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 19, 2017, 03:27:12 PM
.... time to make all that money back

My current income is selling fish I catch each day while working on my daily fishing GC turn-in at like 75% of the lowest price on the AH.  Get like 2,000-5,000 gil a day.  At this point, that's enough for me to get by. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 19, 2017, 03:30:27 PM
just make sure it's the right class for the type of armor ninjas wear. or ask me since apparently I can make them all already.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 19, 2017, 03:59:09 PM
It is, because I just bought one last night and it needed goldsmith!  I didn't even know that when I leveled goldsmith above other crafters to have a materia melder, so luckily it works out.

Also, I realized why I'm slowly gaining xp.  None of the dungeons/trials at lvl.50 have XP completion bonuses lol; it's all just Poetics.  Still about halfway through lvl.52 right now. 
Btw, if all you get from a lot of this stuff is Poetic tomes, why are people who are in HW/lvl.60 doing it?  I assume you stop needing Poetic Tomes once you've moved to the next currency.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 19, 2017, 04:14:08 PM
level 50 dungeons are part of some daily roulettes that give current tomes. They are also part of weekly Wondrous Tails.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 19, 2017, 04:31:32 PM
My thoughts though are people don't want to buy 99 of an item usually and it just inflates the price.

Like you have a 500gil item.  Ok.  But you like on AH and all the listings are 99 of them, which is a little under 50k gil.  I don't want to pay 50k for a 500gil item wtf.  Now if someone is selling them in quantities of like 5 or less, I'll go with that.  So when I sell stuff I usually sell like quantities of 3-5.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 19, 2017, 06:05:02 PM
Yeah, the key to making dosh via the market board is knowing what sells and what doesn't. There's even good money to be made indirectly selling to gil sellers by crafting the black mage equipment their bots buy from the market board to farm shit with.  :shh

As shown by this year's Eorzea Census (http://gamerescape.com/2017/01/13/eorzean-census-2016/):

(http://i.imgur.com/SIVxl76.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/J0TUlSs.jpg)

It is, because I just bought one last night and it needed goldsmith!  I didn't even know that when I leveled goldsmith above other crafters to have a materia melder, so luckily it works out.

Also, I realized why I'm slowly gaining xp.  None of the dungeons/trials at lvl.50 have XP completion bonuses lol; it's all just Poetics.  Still about halfway through lvl.52 right now. 
Btw, if all you get from a lot of this stuff is Poetic tomes, why are people who are in HW/lvl.60 doing it?  I assume you stop needing Poetic Tomes once you've moved to the next currency.

Once you reach level 60, those previous roulettes gain current tier tomestones as a reward in place of the experience reward people under 60 get. Plus, some things at level 60 (anima weapon, desynthesis, etc) ask you to spend poetics on mats, so its never a bad thing to have.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 19, 2017, 06:59:00 PM
Yeah, I get it.  But idk, just don't feel like gaming the system.  I'm trying to roleplay here, not get rich in gil :P
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 19, 2017, 07:31:14 PM
Also since you mentioned it in a prev post:

(http://i.imgur.com/YiQCoNZ.jpg?1)

If they were ever gonna add upgrades for 90 and 120 cards, they've long since missed that boat.  :'(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 19, 2017, 07:38:56 PM
Not really indicative.  They can add them and people who are devoted will already have those numbers and so they'll get to skip the grind.  The rest of us with 60-70 cards will get to grind for 10-20 hours to get to the next rank to be competitive :P

I also wonder, if they eventually unlock 5-star decks if decks will be too good and it'll be like impossible to beat other cards if they are all As and 8s/9s.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 19, 2017, 07:44:15 PM
3.5 looks really damn cool.

 It sucks that I get slammed with fatigue when I've tried playing this game recently. Which really sucks because I'd love to finish up some good content or get in with y'all.

 Ironically it started kicking in when I made the other thread urging others to play.

 I'm sure I'll get hyped again really soon, depending on the stream tonight it could be sooner rather than later.

Yeah I get fatigued sometimes.  Like some of the stuff feels like too much effort so I'm not as motivated to play like if I want to do Thornmarch (extreme) or World of Darkness raid I feel like I gotta do it after I've had enough sleep and decent energy.  When I'm tired that's when I fish and craft and single player quest until I hit a MP mode.  Don't have the energy for multiplayer with randoms sometimes.  Although playing with others helps a lot.  Like I really enjoyed doing dungeons with PT.  Probably some of the most fun I've had and I'd always be up to do stuff with PT because I know if I'm slacking or something he'll help me out.  Likewise Bu if you're online I'm always up to play together. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 20, 2017, 03:18:16 AM
Example of the AH issues.  My daily GC turn in for CUL was a Dodo Omelette.  One ingredient was Highland Parsley.  FC doesn't sell it.  I got to AH and the cheapest listing is 950 per item...for 99 items for almost 100k gil.  Uh, I just need 1 for my damn turn in.  So I said fuck it and checked where they grow, got out my Botanist and went and picked a bunch myself.  Used one for the recipe and sold the rest in a set of 8 for 1k each for 8k total which is still way cheaper than 100k for anyone who needs it for an ingredient.  This is why I'm not a big fan of 99 blocks of everything on the AH.

Also did Copperbell Mines (hard), was fun.  I liked the boss battles.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 20, 2017, 12:12:44 PM
Stormblood pre-order details:

North American cover art:

(http://i.imgur.com/jY0LEzk.jpg?1)

$40 standard edition (physical/digital), $60 Digital Collector's Edition, $200 Physical Collector's Edition

Physical CE Contents: [1] (http://i.imgur.com/ZFSMVo8.jpg), [2] (http://i.imgur.com/mNeIrNz.jpg), [3] (http://i.imgur.com/vFgWxEW.jpg), [4] (http://i.imgur.com/rC2o6Ny.jpg), [5] (http://i.imgur.com/dToR6Rx.jpg)

In-game Physical/Digital CE Items: [1] (http://i.imgur.com/JCDKyPE.jpg), [2] (http://i.imgur.com/PhAYq1O.jpg), [3] (http://i.imgur.com/5FUXhGa.jpg)

Preorder bonus: Wind-up Red Mage Minion! (http://i.imgur.com/jSHWXw9.jpg)

So long as you have a level 50 DoW/DoM Job, you can play as Red Mage even if you are not caught up with the HW MSQ.

You need to be caught up with the MSQ (or use a jump potion, i guess) to head to Ala Mihgo and the SB content.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 20, 2017, 12:34:44 PM
Is that a judge samurai
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 20, 2017, 12:39:42 PM
squeenix collectors editions keep getting more expensive bc suckers like me keep buying them
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 20, 2017, 12:40:55 PM
That is indeed Stormblood's apparent main antagonist, the totallynotasamurai XIIth Legion Legatus and de facto ruler of Ala Mhigo, Zenos Yae Galvus. Looking forward to smash his face in.

(http://i.imgur.com/y7VQdJ0.jpg?1)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 20, 2017, 12:50:37 PM
Ok yeah so samurai judge to go with samurai class (which I assume will be a tank), got it.

Looking forward to having a Ninja/Samurai weaboo character.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 20, 2017, 11:11:38 PM
Beat Zurvan and Dun Scaith today.

I can honestly say that, entirely on its own merits, Heavensward is one of my favorite Final Fantasies. I'm gonna miss this expansion, despite looking forward to what Stormblood will bring. A little sentimental that all the HW-centric plot threads and sidequests came to a close.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 20, 2017, 11:32:37 PM
dun scaith might be one of my favorite levels in the game. the main reason I don't play dungeons that much is because fighting regular monsters is booooooring as hell. so here come this map where they're like "fuck it, bosses everywhere!" and it's fun as hell. took us nearly all of the two fucking hours allowed, but we pulled thru at the very end and damn it was so satisfying.

hs was fantastic but I'm not sad to see it go because I feel like the game as a whole is still on the rise. I'll be real surprised is Stormblood doesn't top it. just a ton of really creative people working on the game right now.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 20, 2017, 11:34:33 PM
So excited for HW!
/keeps on fishing
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 20, 2017, 11:46:31 PM
hs was fantastic but I'm not sad to see it go because I feel like the game as a whole is still on the rise. I'll be real surprised is Stormblood doesn't top it. just a ton of really creative people working on the game right now.

im just a dumb nostalgic baby that had a smile as he saw npcs like the redbills get sent off for the last time. stuff we've gotten used to being the new normal for the past year and a half really.

no more alexander, no more void arc, no more Dragonsong, no more idylshire, etc. I didn't feel as nostalgic for ARR stuff because Coil was p much off limits until i could undersize it, and the Crystal Tower raids were glorified ff3 fanservice ft. some still relevant npcs. HW introduces a lot more unique characters that we prob won't see again for a while, if ever.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 21, 2017, 12:28:43 AM
aw damn, i didn't even think of that :( no more gobbiekin ;_;
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 21, 2017, 12:40:13 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/i56LV9D.jpg?1)

see u again silly bird ppl ;__;7
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 21, 2017, 04:51:41 AM
So I spent my entire free Friday night crafting & gathering.  I got like 5 levels for every single sub-class, so maybe 50 levels total gained tonight.  Crafting classes are all ~17-20, Mining/Botany/Fishing is 20/20/40 now.
I spent a lot of time making clothes for all my classes so I can gear out all of my crafters/gathers (outside my lvl.40 fisher).  Spent sooooo much time and effort doing that.  Had to buy some ingredients off the AH along the way.  Went from 180k gil to 120k gil so -60k gil after all that.  Also built my first housing furniture items.

But it...doesn't seem worth it.

Like I spend hours crafting a full set of crafting/gathering gear between lvl.15->25, some of items which the FC doesn't sell the base items and I spent $ at the AH and time crafting basic items.
..whereas I could just go to a lvl.15, lvl.20 and lvl.25 warp node and buy all the crafting/gathering equipment for probably half the price and in 10 mins vs. 3 hours.

I spent like 10 mins and some money working hard to craft a furniture ink & quill.  Then I go to the NPC at the entrance of my FC and they sell housing items and I could have just bought the ink & quill for 700 gil.

Like while it was fun crafting clothes for all my classes and crafting furniture and stuff, my end result was:

-hours spent/whole night kind wasted
&
-60k in the hole when I probably could've bought all these same items for like 10-15k total

Even fishing feels like the prices on the AH are so cheap, instead of spending 30 mins fishing for my daily GC turn in, I can just buy it.  Same with levequests for leveling.  I dunno, I'm starting to feel burnt out on all this and like it makes more sense to just find 1 way of making some money and then just use the money to buy everything you need off the AH rather than all these hours gathering/crafting stuff yourself.

I'm guessing at some point you can make really cool unique stuff that would otherwise be REALLY expensive on the AH or maybe stuff that would be market prohibited.  But until then hmmmmmmm...
Think I'm gonna take a crafting/gathering break and just do my daily turn-ins (maybe just buy them of the AH) and get back to the MSQ and dungeons and all that.
My goal was getting all my crafters/gathers to lvl.50 around the same time, but that is a good way to burn out really fast.

I think I just want crafting to be more worthwhile.  Like if the game didn't have NPCs that sold the latest gear/items/food for pretty cheap and you had to either make it yourself or buy it off the AH that'd be a totally different thing where it'd be worthwhile to make stuff yourself so you don't have to buy all your equip off the option house or from drops.  But NPCs and all the stuff being cheap to buy just seems to make it irrelevant at these lower levels.  Even repairing, it's like I can just pay a mender to repair everything for dirt cheap, why bother repairing your own gear? 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 21, 2017, 09:03:17 AM
once you get into the 30s, you can start making cool unique stuff. but it takes a LOT of time to get there. also keep in mind the cool gear you can make LOOKS cool, but it's useless in combat. gotta use glamour prisims.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 21, 2017, 12:25:31 PM
Not everything on the crafting list is worth crafting, really. Some things are always in demand and worth crafting, but others arent worth the time spent. You just gotta figure out if the amount of time it takes to gather the mats/ craft things yourself is worth more than the money it takes to buy them. Though your particular example of the ink and quill is just poor timing; those were added to that npc in the patch that just came out.  :lol Crafted HQ gear/food/items will always be better than anything NPCs sell.

The biggest perk to self-repair is that you can fix gear up to 199% condition rather than 100%, and you can also repair your gear in the middle of dungeons.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 21, 2017, 01:43:20 PM
Yeah but is anything sub-30 worth crafting?  Because other than a few cool pairs of glasses I don't really see anything that isn't just cheap equip I can buy from an NPC vendor.

Also crafting post-20 is getting expensive.  Even just GC turn-ins or leeves are starting to require materials beyond what the FC/housing sells and I can burn through several thousand gil just to make an item.  Down to 100k gil by the end of last night from 180k at the start.  There's no way I can sell enough (like I said I make maybe 5k gil a day) to counter the cost of leveling these crafters in the long term which is a little concerning.

Do any of the crafting job lines even have interesting stories?  I've done through 20 of Carpenter and it's just been about "hey this is what this item you made is used for" and 25 of Fishing and there's not a plot yet.  Was hoping the crafting/gathering jobs would have questline stories like the battle job quests.  Would be a motivating perk to leveling the classes.

I thought about being able to repair gear in dungeons, but if you repair your stuff at a mendor before any dungeon, are any dungeons long enough that you can actually go from 100%->0% condition in one dungeon/raid?  Because I haven't seen anything do more than like -30% condition and that's with multiple wipes.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 21, 2017, 02:44:42 PM
It depends on the battle content. I've definitely been in raids that wiped often and long enough for equipment to break, or seen people have to leave instances because of it (they forgot to mend beforehand, etc)

And honestly, sub 30 crafting is mostly a wash. Other than selling basic HQ gear for low level people, there's not much worth anything, outside of crafting the compounded materials that tons of people use (ingots, rivets, etc). Hell, even stuff that npcs sell, because it's quicker to buy that stuff from the market board than make the trek to whatever npc is selling the thing you're looking for.

An alternative for leveling crafters is to do the Icall beast men quests. They provide all the materials you need to craft things and give good exp.

And yes, the crafting jobs do eventually have stories beyond "this is the thing you crafted".
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 21, 2017, 05:32:29 PM
Alright, just got back from Sat morning stuff.  Read your post and been thinking about it and get ready for long, hopefully coherent rant on crafting in FFXIV.


Ok, so as they keep introducing more and more NPCs doing the stuff of crafters (Melders, FC NPCs selling furniture, FC selling materials, Menders) they make crafters more and more pointless.  Like, what is the crafting endgame?  What am I working towards leveling up my crafters for?  I can make HQ equipment...but the extra 1-2 points of stats don't matter when you can just buy the next level of equipment that's better anyhow and nothing requires that 1-2 max stat until you're at end game.  Even now with my lvl.120 equipment, I wouldn't care about HQ i120 equipment because I'll just be changing it all to i130 equipment anyhow.  The only HQ set that would matter would be HQ i130 since that's the absolute max for stuff like Odin and Coil, likewise the highest ilevel in HW at HQ would be useful for the lvl.60 highest difficulty stuff. 

But that's like 2 sets of armor where the ability to make your own HQ vs buying NQ would be useful out of 60 levels of crafting and tons of hours and money invested.

So endgame.  What can I do with my crafter?
1)  I can make items to sell - Well, if all I cared about was money, there is probably 1 efficient way to make the most money and I'd just do that (like mining or soemthing) instead of the time/effort/money for crating & selling.

2)  I can make equipment for myself - Say I start a new Lancer, at lvl.10 or lvl.15 I can either jump to Brentbarch Meadows / Hawthorn Hut, go up to the NPC and buy a lvl.10/lvl.15 full armor set for like 1,000 gil in 3 minutes, or I can look through my recipes, find out who makes each piece, get the materials, and craft each piece of armor.  This probably would take like 15-25 mins of work and cost like 200-500 gil.  Aka, there's no point.  And even at high level, assuming the costs/time involved in making i120/i130 type stuff, it's probably faster to just run a trial roullete a few times to get the poetics and trade them.  Again, I don't think this is actually useful.  While I've had some fun continually outfitting all my crafters/mining/botany with the top equipment for their levels since they're all in the same level range, the fact I can just jump to Quarrymill at lvl.25 or something like that and in 3 mins buy a full top level set just makes me think I'm wasting my time and I should just buy all the crafting/gathering equipment.  Since I only keep 1 combat job in my armory, the entire rest is just a 10-20 level range of crafting/gathering equipment.

3) I can make furniture - well I can just buy it from NPCs

4) I can meld/repair - NPCs (although I see your point about 199% condition for long raids/dungeons)

5) I can make cool pieces of equipment that I can then use for glamor - If I can't just buy these items from NPCs, this is the first actual worthwhile thing I can do with my crafters.

6) I can make glamor prisms for way cheaper than the 5k a piece they sell on the AH - this is useful because glamor/fashion is fun.

7) I get to experience the job quest storylines - ok, hopefully these are good and add something worthwhile.

8 ) I get the satisfaction of crafting items from scratch and seeing if I can do something and doing it - This is enjoyable although can get expensive to craft everything



So the bold are the only pros I see in leveling crafters at the moment and of those I'm only getting satisfaction out of 7&8 because I'm not high enough level to do much glamor stuff or make glamor prisms.  Now what would be nice, is if there are other items besides glamor prisms where they are useful things I will want to have, but they're expensive on the AH so it'll be great being able to craft them myself for much cheaper?  Also are there any other positives you can think of for crafters?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 21, 2017, 06:27:07 PM
there is tons of clothes and furniture that is only available from high-level crafters, and that stuff can go from 60k to 3 million. easy more than that, actually, if it's new. so that's the real endgame for crafters: having the ability to make that stuff for yourself and your friends, or to sell it for shitloads of cash.

as far as the "why bother" aspect, well a lot of that is just Brescia this is an always-updating online game. the cool, powerful, exclusive stuff is dated now, replaced by easily-obtainable alternatives. the devs left all the unnecessary equipment in bc why not, but that doesn't mean it's worth chasing. and if it was a grind to get old gear and a grind to get new gear then everyone would get entirely burnt the fuck out.

so crafters end up being kind of redundant before 30, but they're pretty easy to level as a tradeoff.

also there's one simple way to cut down drastically on material costs: level your gatherers so you can get it yourself lol.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 21, 2017, 06:44:03 PM
yeah, like I said I have my crafters & gathers all at about lvl.20 right now.  I'm leveling them all equally so I can gather/make whatever is needed.  Still I'm lazy so if I can buy 5-10 of an item off the AH outside the FC for a couple thousand gil I'll do that over putting on my miner/botany, going out to the area and chopping/axe-ing it all myself.  If it's more expensive than a thousand gil or two I'll go out and gather the materials myself.  Otoh, leveling like 10 jobs at a time equally takes a while even if individual these jobs level pretty quickly compared to battle jobs.  I can usually casually get about 1 level a day across the board in an hour, but if I wanna get like 3-5 levels across the board in a night, like last night it's a 5-6 hours project.

Glad to hear there's some cool unique stuff to craft later on. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 21, 2017, 07:14:04 PM
I'll try to answer what Jumbo didn't, but you have some fair concerns. And try keep myself coherent as well.  :goty2

1)  I can make items to sell - Well, if all I cared about was money, there is probably 1 efficient way to make the most money and I'd just do that (like mining or soemthing) instead of the time/effort/money for crating & selling.

While you can make "free" money with gathering, the money that craters can make is significantly higher. Because there's so little barrier to entry for gatherers, gathering mats that aren't time gated generally sell for very little unless sold in high quantities. The very simple act of turning a raw stone into an ingot raises its price by a lot, and in some cases, there's niche markets to profit from with people having moved on to the 50-60 range and ignoring the low level market.

Which isn't to say that gathering isn't a profitable venture too. Just be prepared to sink in the time and effort needed to gather the mats that don't sell for less than 1k gil each.


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2)  I can make equipment for myself - Say I start a new Lancer, at lvl.10 or lvl.15 I can either jump to Brentbarch Meadows / Hawthorn Hut, go up to the NPC and buy a lvl.10/lvl.15 full armor set for like 1,000 gil in 3 minutes, or I can look through my recipes, find out who makes each piece, get the materials, and craft each piece of armor.  This probably would take like 15-25 mins of work and cost like 200-500 gil.  Aka, there's no point.  And even at high level, assuming the costs/time involved in making i120/i130 type stuff, it's probably faster to just run a trial roullete a few times to get the poetics and trade them.  Again, I don't think this is actually useful.  While I've had some fun continually outfitting all my crafters/mining/botany with the top equipment for their levels since they're all in the same level range, the fact I can just jump to Quarrymill at lvl.25 or something like that and in 3 mins buy a full top level set just makes me think I'm wasting my time and I should just buy all the crafting/gathering equipment.  Since I only keep 1 combat job in my armory, the entire rest is just a 10-20 level range of crafting/gathering equipment.

There's probably a bit of clearing up on how item levels work for crafted gear. If you decide to outfit yourself in HQ gear, you don't actually need to gear up at every new level tier while leveling up, saving yourself some money in the process. I'll take this level 15 HQ iron hatchet as an example, and compare it to the NQ level 19 Initiate's Hatchet.

(http://i.imgur.com/uxUCSL7.png)(http://i.imgur.com/TX6E4DF.png)

Even though its a lower item level, the HQ level 15 hatchet has the same stats as the NQ level 19 hatchet. So unless you go out of your way to craft HQ gear for every new leveling tier, you wouldn't need to replace your gear until all the way to level 23. This is the biggest perk to crafting your own gear while leveling, the freedom to just completely ignore some of the new gear coming because the old shit you made is just as good.

Heavensward introduced crafted endgame gear that serves as good filler equipment to get an early lead on raids when you still don't have your blue tomestone/raid drop gear, and even then some crafted pieces remain the best you can equip on that slot for a long time. For reference, blue gear has the equivalent to HQ stats for that item level.

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3) I can make furniture - well I can just buy it from NPCs

There is a LOT of cool housing furniture you can't buy from NPCs. A LOT. (http://en.ff14housing.com/)

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5) I can make cool pieces of equipment that I can then use for glamor - If I can't just buy these items from NPCs, this is the first actual worthwhile thing I can do with my crafters.

They actually keep adding more and more crafted glamour pieces with each patch. If you look at the Market board for any of the left side gear, you'll see a fuckton of level 1 pieces at the very bottom of the list that don't have any stats: They're all glamour pieces only obtainable through crafting (some get added as rewards for side content, but the vast majority are still craft only). As well as the blue glowing primal weapons you can find at the level 50 area in the market board.

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6) I can make glamor prisms for way cheaper than the 5k a piece they sell on the AH - this is useful because glamor/fashion is fun.

 :itagaki :dice

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7) I get to experience the job quest storylines - ok, hopefully these are good and add something worthwhile.

More or less the last few quests for 1-50 all introduce an actual plot besides "ur getting more skilled at the craft", then HW added some actual straight up story to ALL the crafting and gathering jobs. There's a reason why we keep saying the expansion is fantastic.

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8 ) I get the satisfaction of crafting items from scratch and seeing if I can do something and doing it - This is enjoyable although can get expensive to craft everything[/b]

This will naturally come with time as you learn what is and isnt worth crafting. There's a lot of gear and items that have been added to NPCS purely to make it easier for newcomers to get into the whole ordeal rather than chase them off, but believe me, crafting is easier than ever right now. Between the massive exp boosts in the manuals they give out for free, the Ixal dailies and the cheap gear they hand out, it takes way less time to do now at 1-50 than it used to take before.

But you know what? If you end up thinking you shouldn't bother with crafting anymore, its completely ok to just set it aside and stick to battle content. Tons of people do that and are just as happy playing the game as suckers like me who invest millions of gear into crafting and barely break even.  :shaq2

I actually make most of my money fleecing people on the market board by reselling items like orchestrion rolls for 100x the npc price because people don't know you can get them for way cheaper there. 
:trumps
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 21, 2017, 07:53:14 PM
Does that stuff actually sell?  I always figure people can just google where to get it and buy it from an NPC rather than paying 2-3x the price.  I guess I should try buying 99 of some stuff and reselling it for 2x the price.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 21, 2017, 07:56:16 PM
I mean, it doesn't sell super fast, but you'd be surprised at how many people will pay for it anyway without googling it.  :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 21, 2017, 08:08:50 PM
i can't find glamour prisims in my log ; is there a quest I need to do first?

also omg i love how short the frontline queue is now
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 21, 2017, 08:27:18 PM
I'm not huge into crafting, but the level 60 Culinarian final quest cutscenes may be the second best cutscene in the game.*

*Best cutscene is still the T12 cutscenes.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 22, 2017, 04:21:02 AM
Was great playing with you Sunblade and PT!  Thornmarch (extreme) when you have the hang of it is pretty cool strategic Japanese boss design imo.  If I was doing it with parties who knew what to do I'd definitely have fun running it a bunch of times.  Like I'd rather replay Thornmarch (extreme) than do Odin trial ever again haha ^^;

Unlocked Garuda (extreme), 3rd part of Crystal Tower and started the first part of Coil quest, also started 2.2's MSQ and the next Hildebrand.  I think at this point before going into HW content I've got:

~10 hard mode & new lvl.50 dungeons left to check out
+3 extreme mode trials of the Ifrit/Garuda/Titan fights
+Last part of Crystal Tower Raid
+The entire Coil raid with all its parts regular & then Savage
+The rest of the Hildebrand quests
+The entire 2.2/2.3/2.4/2.5 MSQ & all the additional trials included in them

So...yeah I'm still good for a while.  At this point I think my goal is to finish all that stuff and be caught up right to the start of HW by this time next month when Nier Automata comes out.  Then I can take a break since that'll be a good stopping point and play Nier and maybe Super Robot Wars V and then come back and start Heavensward fresh.

At the end of the day I'm really happy with the amount of content 2.0->2.5 has.  I haven't even done half of the smaller "!" quests or class quests and by the time and done with all that stuff, before I've even touched any HW content, I'm definitely going to be over 200+ hours.  I know HW will be a lot smaller in 3.0->3.5 because it's an expansion, but I'm sure there's still a good amount of content and by the time I finish HW through 3.5 Stormblood will probably be about to come out and that'll be another 60+ hours right there.

Oh and I did Haukke Manor hard mode today.  Was fun though pretty straightforward, but the music there is always good. 


i can't find glamour prisims in my log ; is there a quest I need to do first?

also omg i love how short the frontline queue is now

When I googled what's in the 2.2 update, it explained glamors and said you needed a master recipe lvl.50 book to craft prisms.  Not sure if it's changed since then?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 22, 2017, 09:00:58 AM
yeah they used to be way more annoying because they were divided into levels 1-5 and you had to use stronger ones for higher level gear. took up a ton of inventory space. i hope I don't need to wait until 50 though ugh. still haven't rebuilt all my crafter outfits and hotbars since I lost them all.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 22, 2017, 12:14:05 PM
Ok yeah, I looked it up. Once you get a single crafter to 50, you unlock a quest in Mor Dhona that lets you talk to Tataroga, who sells you the books to make glsmour prisms. Unsure if you need to be 50 to use said scrolls, but I doubt that part cause otherwise they wouldn't be a level 30 synthesis.

Two things to bebps. Scratch Coil Savage off your list  because it's literally dead content no one does (because there was zero reward to doing it even when it came out, and its only a thing for one of the three coil tiers).

Two is that ya prioritize the MSQ (and Hildibrand), since it'll allow you to unlock the later trials sooner (so we can then help you beat them up if needed).
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 22, 2017, 09:57:36 PM
I was listening to the FFXIV 2.0 OST while working today and when I got to the song that plays during:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The part where everyone in the walking sands is horribly murdered and you have to put their bodies on the grave truck.  And it made me realize that while it had zero emotional effect on me at the time because none of the characters had been development much at all at that point, if that had taken place like where I am in the story now at 2.2 or something, where you come back to Revnant Toll base after a mission and everyone is dead and you've gotta clear the bodies...it'd actually be pretty shocking and an emotional moment now that I kinda like these characters.  I think they played their hand with that "twist" too early in the story. 
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Ok yeah, I looked it up. Once you get a single crafter to 50, you unlock a quest in Mor Dhona that lets you talk to Tataroga, who sells you the books to make glsmour prisms. Unsure if you need to be 50 to use said scrolls, but I doubt that part cause otherwise they wouldn't be a level 30 synthesis.

Two things to bebps. Scratch Coil Savage off your list  because it's literally dead content no one does (because there was zero reward to doing it even when it came out, and its only a thing for one of the three coil tiers).

Two is that ya prioritize the MSQ (and Hildibrand), since it'll allow you to unlock the later trials sooner (so we can then help you beat them up if needed).

Is the same thing gonna happen to Alexander (savage)?  I was looking forward to Coil (savage) because I wanna check out the toughest fights since they're fun.

I'm hoping and looking forward to finishing HW before Stormblood comes out because it'll be nice to play some endgame stuff that hasn't been nerfed yet, since all this 2.0 stuff is nerfed.  I can imagine a lot of these fights were more intense and fun when they originally came out.  Although I think one reason Odin trial is still fricken hard is that it hasn't been nerfed with Echo.  Was surprised Thornmarch (Extreme) had the echo when Odin didn't.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 23, 2017, 01:45:36 AM
Just finished The World of Darkness, that was greaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.  All it needed was a credits roll with images of the storyline at the end and it would been perfect.  It was such a good FF, like that is what I want out of an expansion storyline.

By the time we beat the last boss I really felt like I'd earned it.  It was just so intense and unbelievably epic like that last hour of a great game where you feel amazed & exhausted when you get the last hit on the boss right when you were about to die and get to watch the ending. 

The music was gorgeous!  And the look of the area was very final dungeon like.  The first boss was TOUGH.  We wiped.  Even when not wiping his HP bar went down so slow it was just a really long epic fight.  The second boss was good too.  Cerberus was kinda easy in comparion but still fun and then Cloud of Darkness was a cool fight.  We wiped once there as well, but got it on the second time.

Also first place out of the lvl.50 stuff where there is actually good loot for the first time since I hit 50 and got my i120 gear.  Carbontwines and stuff.  I got a Cloud of Darkness Minion and a fancy magicians hat I can't wear lol

But yeah, I was gonna play a bunch tonight but after the 60-70 min epic stage that was I finished the storyline and then went to an inn and logged out.  I'm good for the night.

Good stuff!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 23, 2017, 02:01:42 AM
Oh yeah, the 2nd boss was the five-headed dragon.  We wiped once on that too.

I think WoD is one of my favorite final dungeon stages ever. 
That music while 24 people are running up the stairs to the unknown challenge ahead  :aah
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 23, 2017, 03:37:06 AM
Savage Coil was more of an experiment and is not comparable to Savage Alexander.

Coil came out in three tiers.  Binding Coil of Bahamut (BCoB), Second Coil of Bahamut (SCoB), and Final Coil of Bahamut (FCoB).  Only SCoB has a Savage mode.  It was basically the raw first version the developers made before fine tuning it.  It drops the same loot as regular SCoB.  The only thing you got were character titles, which were cool at the time.  Nobody runs Savage SCoB level-synced anymore.  They might run it unsynced just to get the character titles, which don't mean anything now that everyone has out geared the fights.  Savage SCoB wasn't popular.  And the developers didn't bring it back for FCoB.

Regular Coil is more comparable to Savage Alexander.  Alexander has a "Normal Mode" which is basically the super easy mode that you can beat in one or a few tries with total strangers and no voice chat.  Normal Mode lets you see the story without having to treat the game like a second job.  Normal Mode drops items you can exchange for ok gear, but Savage Alexander drops the really good gear that you can dye.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 23, 2017, 03:38:33 AM
Crystal Tower was fun.  I think you'll really enjoy the HW 24-man raid series which just wrapped up with last week's patch.  I enjoyed the story and characters more than those of the Alexander raid story.

Coil still has the better storyline.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on January 23, 2017, 02:42:47 PM
so probably by the weekend I'll have this game and hopefully since I loved the crap out of XI I'll get into this one. 

Is this one like XI where if you didn't jump in at the beginning it'll be lonely and difficult for a long, long time?? Or can I solo the beginner areas?

Any suggestion on a server to jump onto?  Suggestions in general for beginning - like what I should farm, etc?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 23, 2017, 02:58:36 PM
it's very easy early on. try to get into hyperion bc that's where we are. might have to wait till night to get in.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 23, 2017, 04:31:31 PM
Levels 1-15 are almost entirely single player.  After that you'll do a couple hours of single player and then a dungeon with others in a cycle for the rest of the main launch ARR story.  Golden Saucer opens at lvl 15 and has fun stuff. 

After lvl 10 you can switch jobs freely by talking to a person with a "+" in each respective guild.  You get your chocobo at lvl.20 which makes things go quicker, until then talk to each chocobo porter at each spot to unlock paid chocobo travel between spots.

Main story quests have a flame around them, major quests have a "+", small quests have a "!"

All the good stuff in the game outside golden saucer starts at lvl 50, so I'd recommend sticking to one job and blowing through the MSQs to lvl 50, doing just enough side content to keep from burning out and then slowing down and enjoying everything at 50.

It took me 130 hours to get to the end of the 2.0 ARR lvl.50 story.  I'd imagine if you just focused on the MSQ with one job and a little side stuff you can probably get there in 60-80 hours.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 23, 2017, 05:20:35 PM
There's six different data centers with multiple servers in each, three for Japan, two for North America and one for Europe. Generally any server is fine so long as it has active players and isn't low pop, since you want to have people to play with. Took these from the census page:

NA Datacenter (http://i.imgur.com/VhloULp.png)
Japan Datacenter (http://i.imgur.com/cQQ5bGU.png)
Euro Datacenter (http://i.imgur.com/D3WvkZF.png)

Of course, the best answer is always "play on a datacenter with either people you know", cause its always more fun to have someone to talk to.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 23, 2017, 05:26:31 PM
Yeah, so play on Hyperion since that's where we are :)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on January 23, 2017, 06:46:06 PM
Thanks guys! It seems like the basics from XI hasn't changed regarding job switching, chocobos, etc. I'll jump on Hyperion so that at least I can socialize! I'll be jumping on Friday! I'm excited! I spent many countless nights neglecting high school homework and playing XI. I can't wait to neglect my job this time. J/k  I hope.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 23, 2017, 07:05:59 PM
Yeah, the best way to socialize is joining a linkshell (chat room for groups, aka The Bore; we have one) or a FC community.  The FC PT invited me too is pretty nice and usually has about 5-10 people on the chat at anytime.
Once you get to lvl.50 you get to socialize way more with all the dungeons/raids/bosses you do with others.  But 1-50 outside of a handful of dungeons there's not much social interaction imo.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 23, 2017, 08:32:18 PM
So continuing on with my gushing about World of Darkness, I've been thinking about it and listening to the OST and I think this & Thornmarch with you guys was the stage that made me "get" MMOs.  Like there's this idea that sandbox games are sandbox because no two experiences are same and there can be dynamic gameplay that the players create rather than a scripted piece the developer creates.

I think MMO's are social sandbox games.  My run through the World of Darkness was probably the most memorable gaming experience of 2017 so far and I think a huge part of that was the team I did it with.  It was a really positive team, no angry comments, no jerks, we'd wipe and people would say "wipe and learn, best way to figure things out" and "yep, FFXIV experience in a nutshell; let's wipe this boss!" and no one was overly serious, with comments like "Tip on the 5 headed dragon:  it has 1 fewer head than a 6-headed dragon would"; there was just this great camaraderie team spirit as 24 of us marched on through this challenging final dungeon, constantly dying and overcoming and making it to the very end.  I'd often look at the other alliances and see all these dead bodies.  I have a screenshot I took when the first boss does it's death roullete thing of myself and like 8 other players all getting zapped at the same time, all bodies just laying on the ground  :lol

I can't help but think if I went through that with a different group, and people didn't talk or they were overly serious that it would have left a different impression on me.  I think MMO's are a social sandbox and it's all about those moments you have where you think back and remember that time where "X happened when you were with _______".
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 23, 2017, 09:05:35 PM
i totally get what you're saying. the social experience in the game almost feels as important as the dungeon design. a good team will give you some of the most memorable experiences in the game; likewise a team of jerks will have you considering unsubbing. probably my best memory of ff14 was playing thru the crystal tower quest with a Japanese-American dude who's first and favorite ff game was ff3. he was losing his shit the whole time and it was just wonderful to see. the latest alliance raid map (which is probably my favorite map in the game) played out like you're experience in WoD, with us wiping over and over but getting back up, telling some jokes, and starting again. it was extremely fun and made an amazing level a thousand times better.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 24, 2017, 12:52:53 AM
My Free Company's slogan is "Victory without your friends is no victory at all, and gear is only as important as the memories that come with it."
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 24, 2017, 01:46:26 AM
Did Garuda Extreme with randoms.  Was a lot of fun.  We died a bunch of times and each time got a little further.  There were a couple of new people and everyone else was nice.  The fight was great!  I love all the parts and strategy to it.  It's pretty easy/doable once you figure out how to survive all the parts, but yeah it's like the perfect amount of complexity so it doesn't get boring.  My favorite version of the fight so far.

Considering how fun extreme fights are and how they aren't in the roulettes, duty finder can kinda take a while unfortunately for DPS.  They really should just make a separate roulette for "Lvl.50 Extreme Trials Roulette / Lvl.60 Extreme Trials Roulette" that has some nice rewards and adds incentive for anyone who enjoys doing extreme fights with new players to jump in regularly.  I haven't even done a dungeon in a few days because I'm having way more fun doing extreme boss battles and the WoD raid.  It's a lot more fun and challenging; no trash mobs yay.

Spent the rest of the time doing my daily crafting and fishing.  I'm up to lvl.48 in fishing.  Probably will hit lvl.50 and do the lvl.50 job quest next time I play if I spend an hour or 90 mins on fishing.  Hey, when you hit lvl.50 with a crafter/harvester do they have the same kind of ilevel upgrading from 50 onwards?  Or not really and you just keep them there until you start HW and get post lvl.50 field gear?  And when they hit lvl.60 in HW they're pretty much done?  I looked at the poetics trading person and there's no field gear....

Also did the first Moogle Postman Carrier mission.  Fun stuff.  Looking forward to playing this questline along with the beast tribes questlines (I've only been leveling Ixali since I use it for my crafters to level; I find doing the same quests over and over again super boring so I only do each set of quests once and otherwise just using the daily turn-ins to slowly level [I've got time; no rush]).

Grabbed my third Thavarian Mist, so next time I play I'll go make my Relic Zenith, yay.

Also I saw my Iron Ingots and Iron Plates I put up sold pretty quick, so I tried the whole buy 99 from the FC and sell them for lower than whatever the lowest 99 price was.  In like 3 hours I sold 2 sets of 99 each for like 5x profits ($6k->36k; 16k -> 70k).  Now I have like 300k gil.  Ok, I think I'm gonna do this every day I play if I can make 100k a day.

Another interesting observation is for a while on my daily mining/botany GC turn-in I was just buying 10 of the items from my FC because it was all sub-lvl.20 stuff I could buy.  Once I got past that and had to actually go out and gathering with mining & botany it was...fun!  There's something about actually going out and seeing all the different types of material you can harvest at different spots.  Also really useful for when crafting stuff and you know where you can harvest the materials housing district merchant doesn't sell.

Oh and finally after like a week or 10 days or something of working on my adventurer squadron every day, I FINALLY got the stats right to get them through the lvl.20 mission and unlock the next tier.  Man, I looked at the lvl.20-40 tier of missions though and the rewards are all just squad XP.  When the hell is my squad going to actually start getting mission rewards that I can use?

Other stuff is one of my retainers hit lvl.30.  It's my Rogue retainer so apparently I need to get a job book from somewhere to change them to a ninja?  Do I buy it from the stand in the city where I first got my retainers?

Finally, I fished my first couple of time-worn maps!  I've got two of them now, looking forward to checking out the treasure hunt questing one of these days when I decipher them.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on January 24, 2017, 07:52:55 AM
i totally get what you're saying. the social experience in the game almost feels as important as the dungeon design. a good team will give you some of the most memorable experiences in the game; likewise a team of jerks will have you considering unsubbing. probably my best memory of ff14 was playing thru the crystal tower quest with a Japanese-American dude who's first and favorite ff game was ff3. he was losing his shit the whole time and it was just wonderful to see. the latest alliance raid map (which is probably my favorite map in the game) played out like you're experience in WoD, with us wiping over and over but getting back up, telling some jokes, and starting again. it was extremely fun and made an amazing level a thousand times better.
Yeah the social aspects makes or breaks these games for me.  FF XI I played for a few years and I had a great Linkshell that was very fun and supportive.  I had to quite for a year or so and when I got back I was put on a different server.  I couldn't find a good LS and it was an absolute slog. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 24, 2017, 10:37:15 AM
Extreme Trials (at least the 2.XX ones) are part of the Mentor Roulette.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 24, 2017, 12:54:22 PM
Well, less that its part of those raids and more that it'll queue you into any non-coil, HW EX Primal and Savage content that has people doing it for the first time.

You can keep leveling crafters past 50. While there's a lot of crafter gear available there, its best to just move ahead and keep getting the npc gear/whatever for your crafters, cause its all a pain in the ass to get and just getting that white gear is way easier. There's no freebie artifact equipment like there is for combat classes.

HW added a different type of currency for Crafters/Gatherers called scrips, but that's not relevant until levlel 55.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 25, 2017, 01:38:06 AM
Well, after 45 mins with a duty finder party, everyone abandoned on Titan Extreme.  The fight wasn't that bad, but it seems like if there's a little bit of lag everyone is fucked.

I mean the strategy is straight-forward:

Phase 1 - Run up and hit him, dodge the single line smash zzz
Phase 2 - Jumps down, run up and hit him, dodge the multi-line smash, when 2 people get LOCKED and will be become rocks, send one next to him & one further away because he's gonna lift his leg and everyone needs to get under his leg and smash the person whose a rock then after the foot comes down and knocks everyone a little, go and take out the other guy while dodging the multi-smash
Phase 3 - Same deal smaller arena, take out Titan heart, 2 people turn to rocks, stand under the leg in the direction with the most ground since you're still gonna get pushed a bit, etc...
Phase 4 - Adds come in...I dunno, I never lived long enough to experience this part ^^;  But the 1-3 people still alive a few times took out the add first then went back to normal strategy

Like it doesn't seem particularly complex or difficult, but the little bit of lag and all the various pushing around just seems to lead to a lot of death.  I think by the end if we kept at it we would've one, but one of our DPS dropped around the 30 min mark and we gave it a couple of tries 1 DPS short but then everyone else bailed.  Everyone said just run it unsynced to beat the quest and unlock Ifrit Extreme.

Also we had a Bard and 2 Casters for DPS besides me the melee DPS.  I feel like this trial is probably a lot easier with melee DPS since you have to keep moving.

So uhhhh, Sunblade, PT?  When's a good night we can run Titan extreme unsynced and help me pass it :P  I'm booked tomorrow (Wed) night, but otherwise should be available whenever you are free.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 25, 2017, 01:48:26 AM
Titan Ex is what made me finally upgrade my internet service at my last house.  You are correct, that lag will one shot you.

Also, I'd be up for running Titan Ex unsynced with you guys Thursday evening.  With cross-server PF, we could easily set this up (I'm on Behemoth which is on the same data center as Hyperion).  I can go tank (any three) or DRG.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 25, 2017, 02:00:39 AM
So I tried party finder for the first time just out of curiousity to see if this is the kind of situation where it would be helpful.  Made a party cross-world asking for help beating it for the quest and unsync = ok.  Surprisingly got a party FAST.  Like < 5 mins; waaaaay faster than the 30 min duty finder before.  Was a group of lvl.60 players from the Lamia server.  They were nice about it and we started the fight and he literally died in like 20 seconds at unsynced.  He jumped up after the first phase, came down and then jumped back up and went straight into the 3rd phase skipping the second phase.  It's was such a total joke, but in under 5 mins I beat the quest lol

So yeah, besides learning Titan extreme is a pain in the butt, I've also learned that 1) Party finder is fucking USEFUL for specific objectives and 2) lvl.60 max players running lvl.50 stuff un-sync is loooool.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 25, 2017, 02:10:40 AM
Also, another question.  When you're in a raid and you want to talk beyond your 8 person party but to the whole 24 person group, what chat type do you use?  "Yell?"
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 25, 2017, 02:46:39 AM
That'd be alliance, which I think only shows up in content that can use it but I'm not sure.

Still need the Titan party?  :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 25, 2017, 04:12:28 AM
Sometimes the players in dungeons that just speedrun when there's a new player or two and don't even say hi annoy me.  Like I was doing Blayfax Longstep or whatever it's called Hard mode dungeon.  I got to the end and the boss intro cutscene played, I watched it because usually these things are 5 seconds.  This one was about 15 seconds long and when the cutscene ended, myself and our tank were both locked out of the boss fight because the healer + DPS decided to just run straight into the boss area not giving a shit two of the four party members were still watching the boss intro cutscene.  So me and the tank just sat outside and lol'd

And the DPS + Healer still beat the boss, and this is sync'd on a hard mode dungeon.  Must've been a real easy boss!
Still, was kinda annoying.  Seriously, what will happen if you lose 20 seconds out of your speed running life?  I get it when it's 4 people who've done the dungeon before, but when you have new people it's just kinda dick.  Like this Blayflax stage normal & hard is one of my least favorite stages because I've never actually taken my time to see how the stage plays out since each time I've done it the group has just rushed ahead at 200% speed.

I guess at this point I could probably go back and solo the normal mode version to see how the stage actually works.  Maybe someday.

Did Hatali (Hard) as well.  Was kinda fun in that it was a coliseum thing, but it was pretty easy outside the second boss where you had to eat the orb so you don't wipe.
I got my retainer to Ninja job, job book cost 40 damn ventures.  I had to buy them from the GC ><

So I got my fisher to lvl.50 and started the lvl.50 job quest where I need a Mazlaya Marlin through double mooching.  Checked the AH boards and a single Marlin goes for 350,000 gil  :o  If I can catch one I might as well try to get a few and sell them.  That's more than all the gil I have total.  I'm at like 250k gil now.

So I guess next time I'll do Ifrit Extreme and then start on Coil.  I've unlocked the first set of turns on my Duty finder. 
Got my fisher to
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 25, 2017, 05:09:53 AM
Well, I wait to the AH and spent like 140k gil on lvl.50 fishing gear, then after about 30 mins I caught my first Mazlaya Marlin.  Then the next line I threw out I caught a second one  :lol
Finished the lvl.50 ARR fishing questline.  Got my lvl.50 unique rod.  Basically if I spent another 100k on gathering/perception materia and right side equip w/materia slots I could probably up my gathering/perception another 25% (right now it's about 210/210; could probably get it to 250/250 before food).

So I put the other Marlin I caught on the auction house.  There's like 10+ on the market at 375k each, so I put one up at 350k and I'll see if it sells.  I'm fine if it eventually sells for like 100-150k because that would at least pay back all the money I just spent on gear to catch it, but if it sells for 350k that'll give me some nice money and I could use some of that to buy a bunch of materia and right side equip and kinda max out of my fisher until I hit HW.  Then again a lot of the time the prices on the AH are bullshit and there will be a ton of listings at crazy prices and no one will buy any.  But I probably would've spent up to like 100k to buy one myself, so I can see it going for 100k range at least.

Well, since fishing is done for now, that'll give me some time back in my daily routines of stuff to do in FFXIV.  Can spend more time leveling my Crafters now.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 25, 2017, 05:27:27 AM
Question about HW, so I'm reading about the lvl.50 endgame for fishing (and assuming Mining/Botany is the same) and basically you put in a lot of money to get HQ ilevel melded gear to get the stats to catch fish like the Sovereign fish and make Forager's Hat and then uses that high gear to catch some other stuff...etc..etc...

But since HW is out, and so is level.50-60.  If I just walk into the first city in HW, go up to an NPC merchant, will I be able to simply buy fishing/gathering gear at say lvl.52 that's better than the above that takes 20-30 hours of grinding to get?  Basically, once I hit lvl.50 with my gather/crafting classes should I just bail out and wait until I start HW and figure on buying from HW NPCs as the way to upgrade my crafting/gathering gear further until I hit 60?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 25, 2017, 09:48:28 AM
I really hate when people rush with newbies like that. "well I don't want to spend forever in the level!" well then you shouldn't have queued for it then! sucks that they were still able to win.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 25, 2017, 01:45:13 PM
"/a" to chat with your 24-man alliance.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 25, 2017, 05:09:00 PM
Thanks, yeah that'll come in useful for the next 24 person raid. 

I was looking up some google threads and I guess the market place has inflated A LOT over the last couple of years?  That would explain the NPC prices.  There was a thread on the lvl.50 fishing job quest saying instead of spending 30 mins -> 1 hour, you can just buy it on the market for 1,000 gil with a screenshot of one being sold for 1,000 gil and another for 15,000 gil.  Then there's a whole discussion of "1,000 gil is a decent amount of money, but it's not a ton so it's definitely worth it"

These days I'll spend like 3,000 gil on a piece of bread or something  :lol

So it sounds like there was a time when things were a lot cheaper!  I wonder what my Marlin will sell for.  I've got 3 now.  PT, I saw your fisher is at lvl.46, so I'll give you one if you want so you can finish the lvl.50 job quest once you get it.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 25, 2017, 05:18:07 PM
woooo thanks! my fisher kind of fell by the wayside since ffxv fishing has completely taken over my gaming time.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 25, 2017, 05:27:34 PM
That's cause there used to be way less sources of cash back during 2.0. Challenge log didn't exist, dungeons didn't give gil rewards, duty roulettes didn't exist, etc. Meanwhile there were tons of gil sinks, so you in general lost more money than you made while playing. Content that's been added since then, plus QoL improvements like increasing the gil reward from roulettes, have natually made the value of stuff gone up since then.

But since HW is out, and so is level.50-60.  If I just walk into the first city in HW, go up to an NPC merchant, will I be able to simply buy fishing/gathering gear at say lvl.52 that's better than the above that takes 20-30 hours of grinding to get?  Basically, once I hit lvl.50 with my gather/crafting classes should I just bail out and wait until I start HW and figure on buying from HW NPCs as the way to upgrade my crafting/gathering gear further until I hit 60?

Yes. You can already do that even without stepping into HW through the market board. HW basically made the 50 crafter endgame redundant, which is how it usually goes.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 25, 2017, 08:58:17 PM
Looking forward to playing stormblood with the rest of you on release.  Gonna be a totally different experience I think being caught up the latest stuff as it happens.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 25, 2017, 10:59:13 PM
playing the dungeons when they're new is fun although you will always end up with someone who's somehow played it like 50 times already. going around the map is kind of annoying tho because there's a ton of people standing around the quest givers
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 26, 2017, 02:59:27 AM
Is it normal that after a major new patch like 3.5 they keep having maintenance and minor patch fixes?  Kinda annoying.

playing the dungeons when they're new is fun although you will always end up with someone who's somehow played it like 50 times already. going around the map is kind of annoying tho because there's a ton of people standing around the quest givers

That sounds fun to me!

I was talking with someone in our FC and he was telling me that by going to the sightseeing log spots and seeing a group of people, he'd often meet strangers and make friends.  I can just imagine as a fisher going to fishing spots and have a handful of other fishers there fishing with you...instead of fishing alone like I always do ;_;

Or going somewhere and seeing a dozen miners in one spot.  I've never seen more than 1 miner/botanist anywhere.

And being part of the crafting/gathering/raiding market where if you catch some high end fish that can be desynthed into some part that some crafter can turn into some high end raiding gear suddenly you sell it for millions and are rolling in money.  Everything I get, even at lvl.50 is all old news and the only people who care are new players.  I want to be a part of this endgame economy!

I still think it might be kinda close catching up by Stormblood, just because I'm doing way too much stuff so my progression is slow lol 
Btw, I like how Maelstrom's 'Till the Sea Swallows & Sagathians or whatever they're called is this totally Cthulhu-based religion.  Chuthulhu in my FF is a good thing!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 26, 2017, 05:08:51 AM
So server went up an hour early and I went on a bit before sleep.  It's crazy, when the server is empty the game runs SO GOOD.  Like 120fps smooth gorgeous.  Not sure if it's lag or graphically rendering players that causes the game to feel a lot less smooth.  I mean even in areas with no PCs like in forests it's feeling totally smooth here and it never feels that way.  I think it's gotta be a lag thing to a degree.  So nice, wish it could be like this all the time.

Anyhow, my Marlin sold!  200k omggg.  Now I have 350k gil and I'm RICH fuck yeah.  PT I mailed you a Marlin, but don't sell it cause I ain't sending you another :P  I put my third one on the market for 200k.  If that sells...I may spend my queue time fishing for Marlins and selling them for 200k.  Sure beats the 30k profit I'm getting on Iron Ingots x 99 once or twice a day.

Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 26, 2017, 02:23:47 PM
Is it normal that after a major new patch like 3.5 they keep having maintenance and minor patch fixes?  Kinda annoying.

Yup. Gotta fix all the things they didn't catch in private testing + any new issues that inevitably crop up when you allow new players to try the shiny new thing. There was a bug that made people who mooched a certain HQ fish in a certain fishing pool crash the whole server.  :lol

Anyhow, my Marlin sold!  200k omggg.  Now I have 350k gil and I'm RICH fuck yeah.  PT I mailed you a Marlin, but don't sell it cause I ain't sending you another :P  I put my third one on the market for 200k.  If that sells...I may spend my queue time fishing for Marlins and selling them for 200k.  Sure beats the 30k profit I'm getting on Iron Ingots x 99 once or twice a day.

Welcome to the crafting gil frenzy, where you sell your first big ticket item. Once you start going from triple digitis, to four, to five, to six, you start wondering how you lived without having so much money on you before and start seeking out your next big sale...
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 26, 2017, 03:28:07 PM
I start getting nervous on the rare occasion I see my Gil dip below a million.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 26, 2017, 06:15:13 PM
after I hit 1 mil i refuse to let it go under. i want a house but I'm gonna have to save up a few mil on top of the 1 i already have because fuck being a broke homeowner. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 26, 2017, 06:58:19 PM
I thought the problem with houses are they aren't available because they sell out right away and then nobody sells theirs?
Because yeah I'd totally want a house so I can have a garden.  My flower pots are ok but I want to garden in bulk ><  Although I did get 9 Krakka Roots from one side in my flower pot the other day :)

If we had enough people and there were houses available, we could totally have a Bore house.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 26, 2017, 07:21:39 PM
there are houses available all the time. just gotta keep an eye on the party finder and ask around.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 26, 2017, 07:32:38 PM
What kind of prices are the typically going for?  10 million?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 26, 2017, 07:41:25 PM
i wanna say small homes are 3-5, aaaaand medium are like 12, with mansions costing a hell of a lot more. been a long time since I checked so those could be way off. also depends on who's selling and the property location, ofc.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 26, 2017, 07:55:43 PM
SpeedStats and I are saving money to get a personal house in the new Stormblood housing area, hopefully a medium. I'm making it a mission to rush through the MSQ just to gain access to the housing area and buy it.  :lol

Both of us wanted a house in Ishgard, but since they nyxed the plans for that we'll make due
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 26, 2017, 09:27:30 PM
yeah I'm not even gonna try for that. I'm sure scalpers will own everything within two hours of release. I'm aiming to get a small beachfront house. don't care if it's in a subdivision bc no one but me will ever go there. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 26, 2017, 09:35:33 PM
Hopped on and tried treasure hunt with the two maps I had in my inventory.  Boy, that was boring.  Figuring out the spot was ok but then fighting easy enemies and getting meh loot /shrug 
Probably won't do this anymore.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 26, 2017, 09:43:14 PM
only the two or three lowest tiers aren't worth it. everything else gets you some great stuff, and you can even go to a secret dungeon. just make sure you have team with you if you're gonna open a dragon skin map.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 26, 2017, 09:44:02 PM
I think Bebpo had the level 50 maps, which dont have the Aquapolis as part of it.  :shh
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 26, 2017, 09:46:19 PM
only the two or three lowest tiers aren't worth it. everything else gets you some great stuff, and you can even go to a secret dungeon. just make sure you have team with you if you're gonna open a dragon skin map.

Ok, this must have been it.  I had a Boar/Peiteskin and they were easy/boring.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 26, 2017, 09:51:41 PM
http://www.novacrystallis.com/2017/01/final-fantasy-xiv-getting-live-action-series-based-true-story/

wat

(i will watch this if fans translate it)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 26, 2017, 10:08:55 PM
PT, Sunblade, you guys want to do any fights/dungeons tonight?  I've got Ifrit extreme & coil part #1 to do at some point.  No rush though, if you're not playing tonight.  Can work on my other quests like MSQ.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 26, 2017, 10:15:08 PM
my brother in law is over rn, one he takes off I'll log in.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 26, 2017, 10:16:38 PM
Ok, maybe in an hour?  8pm PST/11pm EST?  I haven't had dinner so I'll eat something in the meantime. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 26, 2017, 11:27:27 PM
sorry that took longer than I thought. on now.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 27, 2017, 04:02:52 AM
Made a party finder for Turn 1 of Coil synced and got a party!  We did it and it was actually really easy because they've nerfed it/buffed the players so even synced we just blew through it easier than most lvl.50 dungeons.  The healers had to leave afterwards though so the party disbanded but I have hope now that I can find parties for the rest of it if I make party finder groups.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 27, 2017, 04:05:56 AM
One thing I don't get.  The game has a "Raid Finder" thing separate from Duty Finder.  I was kinda hoping it'd be like a daily roulette for raids to help get players together for raiding, but it's still faded out and unselectable for me at this point.  What does the raid finder actually do?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 27, 2017, 04:13:25 AM
Ok, so I'm reading a guide for Coil Turn 1 when it first came out and it sounds way more strategic and interesting.

At what point do I get to join the party of players who take on super strategic and difficult challenges and use voice chat and stuff to work together to beat it wipe after wipe?  So far when we did Thornmarch it was like that, and Garuda Ex sorta, WoD a bit.  But if I keep playing, when I get to lvl.60 and have beaten HW and MSQ through 3.5, then will I finally be able to be part of this exciting wiping and winning boss battles?  Because that stuff is so exciting and fun and I want to be joining in on that.

Also I'm assuming at that point I need to try to find a "static raid group" to find others to play that kind of stuff.  Is it hard finding a group as a DPS because everyone is a DPS?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 27, 2017, 04:29:29 AM
So I learned about WT tonight.  And how Weekly Trails give reasons for players to go back and do old content, like even Coil or Ex Primals.  But everyone just runs them EX, no challenge, win in 10 seconds, get their stamp and be done.

It seems to me like the WT would be a lot of useful if the requirement for the WT was to run these things synced.  Not only would this mean actually having to earn stuff instead of no challenge freebie, but it would also populate the Ex trials & Coils with tons of players doing them so people could find duty finder groups.  Win-win, right?

I feel like the developers underestimate the ability for random groups of players to work as a team.  Like it's really not that bad most of the time from my experiences I'm getting.  Text chat works great and if one or two people explain what needs to be done, or if the party wipes and then someone explains what went wrong so it doesn't happen the next time, then it's been perfectly fine.  Even when I'm reading about stuff like Coil when it launched, these are all things that a party can explain and figure out with each other at the start of each mini-boss/boss fight.  Just seems like the MMO thing since forever has been this mindset that "random teams can't do hard stuff; you need dedicated parties for those" so they don't do anything to help group random players together for tough things.  A duty roulette/WT for Ex/Coil fights that has GREAT rewards would incentive a lot of players to join that stuff and would help newer players like myself. 

Oh well, at least party finder is cross-world now.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on January 27, 2017, 11:33:23 AM
I have been playing off/on since 1.0 but very casually. Haven't played since 3.3 (end of HW) so have some catching up to do. Totally on board for STORMBLOOD.

Bebpo going balls deep for a first MMO, I have only done a few extreme primals and noped out of coil lol.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 27, 2017, 12:04:09 PM
if you want wipe and repeat battles then maybe a static raid is for you. don't know much about them and I'm not sure how many there'll be still once you get there but you can try. also most of the ex bosses in hs are still really really fucking hard. surviving is like memorizing the moves to a fucking ballet. it's hard.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 27, 2017, 12:32:40 PM
I've done static team raid progression before. It's a lot of damn work. Like a second job. Not only do most serious statics expect you to raid at least three nights a week for three hours at a time, they also expect you to do all the daily/weekly stuff to gear up and gather/craft raid food and potions, which can take up more time than the actual raid progression itself. I have a lot of great memories and made some great friends. But I think my static raid team days are over for the foreseeable future. I'm still in a raiding free company and will sub in or do pickups with some super skilled players. They randomly invited me into a party the other night and taught me the most recent Extreme trial. I'd be never been in before but we killed Zurvan Ex in two pulls.  im going to try and find time to down the last two instances of the current savage raid before Bloodstorm comes out.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 27, 2017, 12:33:45 PM
Oh I just finished my i270 Dragoon relic last night. Starting the final step to completing my i270 Dark Knight relic this weekend.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 27, 2017, 01:43:42 PM
you got any tips for farming sand? I'm so sick of this damn step
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on January 27, 2017, 01:54:13 PM
Are you familiar with the method for farming Crystal Sands via Levequests?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 27, 2017, 02:00:51 PM
So just to clear up a tiny misconception on Bebps' part...

The only two parts to actually get significant "nerfes" in any of the endgame raids are three of the fights in Second Coil and a few of the fights in Alexander. The rest is exactly as it was when it first came out, barring the additional echo buff to help new players clear it and some tweaks here and there. Turn 1, 2 and 4 were always kinda dull, it doesn't really kick in until Turn 5. It's just naturally easier because Turn 1-5 came out when the item level average was i50-70, and now you were i130.

A "roulette" for raid content like coil is unlikely because these fights are hard when synced. They were the "bash your head against a wall and gear up just for a shot and beating this" content, after all. It's not that devs underestimate the players, its that in general, the average duty finder player is really really bad. Like, inability to follow basic orders bad. I tried to get my clears for second/final coil during 2.5, before the level 60 and item level increase, and it was a miserable experience of party after party getting stuck in the same basic things.

Raid Finder is a recent feature added for the latest EX Trials and Savage content, which lets you queue for what type of progression stage you're at and pairing up with people on the same stage (new, half progression, cleared, farm, etc).
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 27, 2017, 03:41:52 PM
So in other words the raid finder is a duty finder for raids and exactly what I want, but it's only for the lvl.60 content so I need to catch up ;)


Took the day off, so gonna grab a pizza and see if I can get through 2.2->2.5 this weekend.  I'll deal with Coil turns on the side as I can find people, but if I get through 2.5 this weekend and Hildebrand through 2.5, then I'll finally be ready to start HW.

Though I kinda also want to play some more Gravity Rush 1, Undertale, RE7 VR and maybe start playing Yakuza 0 with the rest of you all, so may not get all that far in FFXIV.  But I'll try :)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 27, 2017, 04:07:31 PM
On GAF, trying to get a group together to maybe do one night a weekend 1-2 hours, slowly go through coil (probably 1 turn per week for 12 weeks).  We may have 1 tank, 1 healer, 1 DPS so far.  I'm trying to see if like 5pm PST/8pm EST would work.  Any of you guys/gals and/or anyone you know be interested/willing to group up for this?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=229217568&postcount=8871
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 27, 2017, 04:42:51 PM
lmao what really? that's kind of hilarious.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on January 27, 2017, 09:46:10 PM
Ok I'm buying this now but do I get a realm reborn? Is that the full game or an expansion? Is steam the cheapest place?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 27, 2017, 09:56:59 PM
Ok I'm buying this now but do I get a realm reborn? Is that the full game or an expansion? Is steam the cheapest place?

A realm reborn is the full game, Heavensward is the expansion.

The best place to buy it on PC is the standalone/non-steam version (https://store.na.square-enix.com/final-fantasy-xiv) because it and its expansions go on sale more often than the steam version (though they're both $20 right now, so that point is rather moot until the /next/ expansion). Perk to the steam version is that you can pay for your sub through steam wallet.

If you're gonna buy both ARR and HW at once, both the SE store and amazon have the bundle for both at $30. (https://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-XIV-Heavensward-Reborn-Bundle/dp/B00UO4NL9Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1485572353&sr=8-2&keywords=ffxiv&th=1)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on January 27, 2017, 10:35:46 PM
Thanks! I'm excited! Woot! Is that square enix software still god awful like it was for XI?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 27, 2017, 10:38:43 PM
If you mean play online, even XI barely uses it now. XIV has zero traces of it, even during 1.0.  :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on January 27, 2017, 10:52:25 PM
If you mean play online, even XI barely uses it now. XIV has zero traces of it, even during 1.0.  :lol
Oh thank god. That thing was a nightmare. Even more excited now! Has anyone tried playing with an Xbox controller? XI was doable but definitely not ideal. I'm interested in it for just regular grinding and being lazy on the couch
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 27, 2017, 11:40:27 PM
If you mean play online, even XI barely uses it now. XIV has zero traces of it, even during 1.0.  :lol
Oh thank god. That thing was a nightmare. Even more excited now! Has anyone tried playing with an Xbox controller? XI was doable but definitely not ideal. I'm interested in it for just regular grinding and being lazy on the couch

FFXIV is fully designed around controller use. Ive done every bit of the game with a pad and never felt like im not in control.  :punch
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 28, 2017, 05:36:28 AM
Hmmm, so tonight finished 2.2 MSQ, finished all the rest of the lvl.50 hard mode & new dungeons, and finished the Gilgamesh Hildebrand questline.  Pleased to see the increase in budget already.  Lots of voiced cutscenes in 2.2 whereas 2.1 had zero I think.

Got my full 120 set today and my carbontwine, so I'll get my 130 weapon next time.  I'm like halfway through lvl.53, so I'm figuring I'll probably be at lvl.54 when I start HW and still working on my i130 full set cause buying like 8 more pieces of carbontwine @ 400 poetics each is gonna take a while since I don't have a lot of "first-time" poetic-giving stuff left at this point.

So now down to just 2.3/2.4/2.5 MSQ, the rest of the Hildebrand quests prior to HW 3.0, and Coil Turn 2-12 and then I'll feel like I did all the major ARR content and will be ready for HW.  At 220 hours now.  Figuring ~250 hours for general ARR completion before going into HW.

Things I'm not going to do before going into HW:
-All moogle carrier quests
-All beast tribe lines
-All "!" quests
-All job quests to 50

I'll keep doing those on the side as I do other stuff through 3.5, but that's the kind of stuff that after I get caught up if I want stuff to do I'll finish up then.  Although 2.0 Sightseeing log I'm never going to do.  Platforming is bullshit!  Not even fair.

I'm tempted, right before starting HW, to power through leveling a Lancer/Dragoon because apparently the job quest leads into it and for high level play I guess I gotta get Dragoon to 34 so I can put Blood 4 Blood on my Ninja since DPS checks are more and more frequent and that added 10% damage may become important in Alexander Savage and stuff.

PT, sorry I missed you tonight.  I was falling asleep from MSQ fetch quests and logging out right when you logged in.  The 2.2 MSQ is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz helping the Doma people move.  The MSQ quests really burn me out if I try to do a bunch at a time.  Everything else dungeons/trials/crafting/sidequests is great, MSQ really is the only thing that drags because it's so spread out over a ton of useless quests often.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on January 28, 2017, 06:16:21 AM
If you mean play online, even XI barely uses it now. XIV has zero traces of it, even during 1.0.  :lol
Oh thank god. That thing was a nightmare. Even more excited now! Has anyone tried playing with an Xbox controller? XI was doable but definitely not ideal. I'm interested in it for just regular grinding and being lazy on the couch

FFXIV is fully designed around controller use. Ive done every bit of the game with a pad and never felt like im not in control.  :punch
Awesome!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 28, 2017, 08:45:40 AM
it's no problem bebs; i settled through a single dungeon bc is falling asleep too. soon as I finished I put the controller down and went to bed.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 28, 2017, 03:39:37 PM
If you mean play online, even XI barely uses it now. XIV has zero traces of it, even during 1.0.  :lol
Oh thank god. That thing was a nightmare. Even more excited now! Has anyone tried playing with an Xbox controller? XI was doable but definitely not ideal. I'm interested in it for just regular grinding and being lazy on the couch

FFXIV is fully designed around controller use. Ive done every bit of the game with a pad and never felt like im not in control.  :punch
Awesome!

Yeah I use a controller and KB to type.  The only thing I grab my mouse for is inventory selling and the map because it's quicker.

A controller can give you like 24 icons on screen at any time with instant access.  Through lvl.50 that's just enough for a Ninja job.  Not sure what I'm gonna do post 50 though... you can fiip between 8 hotbars of 16 icons, but for me I want to visually see all the stuff I use at one time that are on cooldown so I can hit use the second they come back up.  I know there are solutions to this, but pretty soon I'll need to look into it more.

Like this is my active lvl.50 ninja hotbar:

(http://i.imgur.com/JxRCr1v.jpg)

Though the upper right, left potion slot I switch around, sometimes for a throwing daggers distance attack, sometimes potions if I need them for a situation.  On my second bar non-visible bar I have stuff like food and permanent stances and chocobos and running that I don't need to see on cooldown while in a fight.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on January 28, 2017, 05:45:19 PM
Good to hear! I plan on playing off my Surface so I can just pack up my Xbox controller and the surface and play on trips and whatnot.

I'm beating xv tonight before I start xiv but I'm installed and ready to go!

So in XI I was a red mage when I started out for the versatility at lower levels. Any reason I wouldn't want to do the same for this?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 28, 2017, 05:56:51 PM
Partially cause you there's no red mage in this game (yet).  :P

XIV revolves more around the usual MMO trinity than XI did, it being Tank, DPS and Healer. DPS tend to be more solo-friendly for when you're just mucking around the world due to being able to kill things before they kill you. Once you reach 30 on a class (and 15 on a subclass), you can "upgrade" to the class' upgrade that limits the amount of cross-class abilities you can use, but gives you their specialized actions in return.

The starting classes and their weapons are:

Tanks:
Gladiator (Sword and Shield), changes to Paladin
Marauder (Axe), changes to Warrior

DPS:
Pugilist (Fist), changes to Monk
Lancer (Spear), changes to Dragoon
Rogue (Daggers), changes to Ninja, requires level 10 in any other class first
Archer (Bow), changes to Bard
Thaumaturge (Offensive magic nukes), changes to Black Mage
*Arcanist (Damage over Time magic, Pets), changes to Summoner and Scholar (Healer)

Healers:
Conjurer, changes to White Mage
*Scholar, once you get to level 30 arcanist.

*Because they both share the same class, leveling either Summoner or Arcanist levels the other job at the same time.

All in all, arguably the most "versatile" at low levels would be arcanist since they can do more or less bits of all three roles at the start. But really, it doesn't matter because you're gonna wanna focus on what the Job is good at anyway.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on January 28, 2017, 06:11:22 PM
Well shit. The end goal works out though since I was a summoner in XI so I'll go with anarchist. Thanks!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 28, 2017, 06:29:27 PM
Do Summoners ever get to summon like cool monsters?  Or do you think that may be added at some point?  Because when I think of Summoner in FF I think of a job that summons Ifrit/Ramuh/FFXII summons, etc... not like these little floating fire monsters or carbunkle.  I'd totally play a cool giant monster summoner class, but not really interested in playing a pokemon pet class.

That being said, I think for a healing class I'm probably gonna go with the HW one just because it starts at 30 and that is very appealing rather than getting my WM from 15->30.  Especially since SB doesn't look like it'll have a healing class, so if I want one healing job, one tank, and one DPS I'll go with the HW healer.  Hopefully SB has Samurai tank and I'll ditch my lvl.38 Paladin that I really don't feel like ever using again at this point, and start over at a lvl.50 Samurai tank.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 28, 2017, 07:03:21 PM
Summoner only has the three dopey looking Egis, yes. They floated ideas on making the primals summonable for a while, but nothing ever panned out because of the way the game uses Primals in the story only really allows for one of them to exist a time, so they'd be limited to shit like having /one/ player be able to have them around for a limited time. Lore-wise, Egis are summoning a fragment of a Primal's essence, which allows the Summoner (and all the other summoners) to be able to control it and have multiple ones around. Thankfully the egi glamours they just added will cover more of that and let you use whatever they add instead.  :lol

What they did in HW is, rather than have you summon more types of Egis (which would be redundant cause they already cover melee, tank and ranged), they're having the summoner himself channel stuff that makes /the player/ stronger. Level 50-60 is all about learning how to channel the power of Bahamut, even letting you use Bahamut's signature skill from when you fight him in XIV.

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-27-2015/-Dv7pq.gif)

Wouldn't be surprised if Stormblood follows the same trend and gives Summoner time magic shit like Alexander can do.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 28, 2017, 07:50:32 PM
I hope they redo the egi models for sb because those things look like shit
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 28, 2017, 09:52:38 PM
So I got a PF group unsync and we did Coil T1-T5.  Then got another group, including PT and we did T6-T8.  Had issues synching together on the T9 meteor drop part #2 and keeping the golems apart and kept wiping until people left.  Haven't watched any of the story stuff yet, been skipping cutscenes.  Might watch T2-T8 cutscenes, but kinda tempted to run a party finder just for T9 and try to beat it.  Any good suggestions for getting people on the same page for the meteor drops in T9?  We had markers but I felt like there was some miscommunication.

I mean the first phase seems easy without markers or anything.  Put the first meteor somewhere on the outside in a N/S/E/W position and then drop the 3 at a time green ones at the other 45 degree apart areas.  Then the golems spawn at least 45 degree apart, have a tank on each one keeping them put so they don't move and then for the 3rd have a few dps killing it QUICK before it gets near more than one meteor or another golem.

The above should be easy, no problem.

For the second meteor drop, THERE ARE A LOT OF METEORS BEING DROPPED.  The problem with the lack of coordination on this with a group is after a few have dropped and been placed, people start getting a meteor over their head and have no idea where the current meteors on the field are and are just scrambling hoping they don't run into one when another player that's doing the same ends up scrambling near them. 

The second golem part should be the same as part 1 if you survive the meteor fall.  Keep the golems apart, one tank each, 3rd one gets killed quick by DPS.

That's as far as we got because on part 2 one of the golems ate too many meteors and grew big and wiped the party.  From what I understand there's still like 2 more phases of dragon divebombs and stuff too after that. 


I think my goal for this weekend is going to be to finish Coil.  After that's done, the rest of ARR left will be short, easy and smooth sailing that I can casually go through before starting HW.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 28, 2017, 10:53:55 PM
i swear those damn green meteors were supposed to go in the middle circles
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 28, 2017, 11:01:30 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/fKmNXiT.jpg)

See the green circles? drop the golem comets there. Every other comet goes around the arena, distant enough to not trigger getting blown up.

The spires surrounding the arena actually serve as a visual market for that. If you put a meteor in between them, then one right next to them, that's the distance you need to put between them.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 28, 2017, 11:09:23 PM
Yeah, but how do you get a group together that knows this :/
I feel like you need everyone on board or you're screwed.  It doesn't seem that hard to me but we were struggling as a group for sure.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 28, 2017, 11:11:24 PM
Welcome to 2.X endgame hardcore raiding, why I couldn't beat the fight at level 50 and why statics are a thing. Enjoy your stay.  :bolo

T9 is the one fight in Second Coil that was not defanged in any way.  It's just as hard as it was back then, only the parts that don't kill you instantly are easier to go through. Mechanically, its still one of the hardest fights in the game, though Alexander fights are /technically/ harder in raw numbers.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 28, 2017, 11:27:05 PM
Hehehe, yeah it's fun. I had a great time and even T5 still had fun parts.  I've got no problem trying over and over for an hour slowly getting further until hopefully clear.  But I've noticed with hard fights at least one person leaves after 3-4 deaths and then everyone bails with 45 mins still left.

Gonna ask my FC later on tonight if anyone can help on T9.
If not gonna make a Turn 9 learning/clearing party pf and see if people join

If I can get T9 clear, is unsycned final gonna go ok or is there more stuff like T9?

And looking at unsync vids it has been defanged slightly.  In the second half you can kill the boss so fast you only have to deal with one set of fire/ice wipe shots at the end.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 28, 2017, 11:28:02 PM
the way to win is to try again and again and again and again

and someday you will win

this is why the super fights are so super hard. although tbh i didn't think the Alex fights were all that hard. you talking about the Savage ones? i remember beating the final set of levels like two weeks after they came out and only wiping a couple times. was disappointing. the 3.x ex fights on the other hand...  :/
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 28, 2017, 11:29:52 PM
final set is harder. t10 i think? sucks ass. the one where you're chasing eggs and blocks or whatever. the final fight is complex but t9 is a lot more demanding.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 28, 2017, 11:48:24 PM
the way to win is to try again and again and again and again

and someday you will win

this is why the super fights are so super hard. although tbh i didn't think the Alex fights were all that hard. you talking about the Savage ones? i remember beating the final set of levels like two weeks after they came out and only wiping a couple times. was disappointing. the 3.x ex fights on the other hand...  :/

Yeah, like I said, I had fun and I don't mind at all.  I'm used to trying over and over and over again in Japanese games until I beat something.  Like Shinobi PS2's final boss.  I never bail on Japanese games because of difficulty (I say this because western "hard" games are a different style of difficulty design like FPS and that's not for me; but Japanese patterns and really tight execution I find frustratingly fun).  It's just finding a team of 7 other people who have the same mindset is tough.

I could tell after a couple of deaths a few of our team were already getting kind of frustrated and using ALL CAPS and were probably about to explode on teammates.  I need a team of people who are cool with dying over and over and just talk about ways to improve instead of getting angry at anyone.  Then again, hopefully anyone who messes up will catch it for the next time even if you don't get on their case.  I know when I fuck up I realize it and then I don't do that the next run.

I think for me, Odin Trial was the first "shit gets real" FFXIV difficulty spot.  Now T9 is the next level of "shit gets really real" difficulty point showing me the challenge of team coordination.  I'm thinking about buying a mic so I can voice chat for stuff like T9 because it seems like it'd be helpful.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 29, 2017, 12:17:49 AM
remember ffxiv is discord only. no native chat
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 29, 2017, 12:44:03 AM
Ok, I got in a party that was helping a new person with it and the meteor/golem part is easy.  I can do it 100% now.  On our second try we got the boss down to the final 10% HP but we were short one tank and our leader accidently disabled echo and someone used a limit break so we all got hit in a boss diving attack and died.

Every other time afterwards someone else would fuck up.  Things I saw:

-The DPS group hugging the boss (including me) sometimes one person gets tagged and they don't run away and the meteor drops where the boss is
....and then when the 3 greens come up the 3 people go to their usual circle spots not noticing the RED METEOR DROPPED AND IS SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO THEM ><

-Everyone spreads out half-click away for 2nd meteor drops.  Player gets tagged, runs out and gets tagged again and doesn't notice he's been tagged twice in a row and stands in the same spot and the 2nd meteor drops RIGHT ON TOP OF THE FIRST ><

-People leading the golems to the meteors on the 2nd drop accidently lead two golems right next to each other and they merge.  This is understable because if you don't have good aggro control of the golems they just run off and do shit like this.  Being short 1 tank made this part harder than it should be.

I'm still not really sure what the strategy is for the ice/fire mechanics other than "run the fuck away from the person targeted" is for now because I've only been in a party that's made it that far once.  So close.  I didn't get wiped by fire/ice though and had them cancel each other.  Got wiped by the dive ><

I think I feel pretty confident I'm at the point now I can play with people who farm it and know what they're doing and pass it.  Seeing an ok amount of turn 9 groups on party finder, so hopefully one of these groups won't have a weak link killing every one.  Asked around on the FC but get the feeling no one really wants to do Turn 9 with someone they don't know.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 29, 2017, 01:33:15 AM
Clear :)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 29, 2017, 01:46:35 AM
So, after doing T9 with a bunch of people, the fight's pretty fun and the part you wipe the most on isn't the hard part.  Like the meteor/golem stuff in the first half is really easy once everyone knows what to do (first fall, 1 guy with red runs to the outside and drops, 3 in the middle; 2nd fall everyone stands around the outside the right distance and runs forward to a free spot when they get a red drop; 3 in the middle, make the golems eat 2 each & kill).

The second half is the tougher stuff.  But the two parties I was in tonight, we'd only get to the 2nd half every 4th or 5th try because inevitably someone would mess up the meteor/golem part and go "srry my bad" ^^;

The ice/fire stuff was easier than I was expecting from the video since I could just look at what status I had from the last blast and as long as I knew which color chains signaled ice/fire I could avoid the next one that's the same and run into the next one that's the opposite.  But the diving stuff still hurt bad, even when we beat it, the dive wiped like 4 of us and the other 4 beat it.  This was the same dive (not the dragon dives, but the boss's dive in their final phase out of nowhere that does like 30k damage to everyone punching it) that completely wiped my 2nd party.  But I was playing with this guild from Excalibur, Kamazine, including with their guild leader Kesko (nice guy) who was like MAXED top Paladin (dude even survived Megaflare with 1 meteor still left on the field) and so after 4 of us wiped in the dive, him and a couple others finished that last 10% and got us the clear.

Looking forward to Final Coil.  I feel like if I knew how to anticipate and dodge that boss dive I could do T9 any day with people who also knew what to do as it's a lot of fun.  Just like the extreme fights, this kind of strategic battle is exactly what I'm looking for in the game.  The hardest part is just getting a party of other people who want that kind of stuff as well haha.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 29, 2017, 01:51:44 AM
Also in terms of what makes it easier in unsync/sync, reading the guide in unsync you skip the entire dragon dive bomb phase.  It goes straight from Heavensfall after Megaflare to Fire/Ice/Lightning elements dragon -> DIVEBOMB METEOR STREAM.

Although it's weird because the guide says

"Divebomb (Meteor Stream) chooses 3 random party members and deals significant AoE damage to them, and all those around them. Having a single member eat 2 of these is likely death… therefore spreading out is needed."

And that's with sync.  Yet in unsync two parties in a row the first divebomb meteor stream wipes 3-4 of the DPS who are up in the bosses face.  Hmmm...wonder what's causing the wipe.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 29, 2017, 07:06:03 AM
Yes, when we beat T9 the first time (and every time after that), the general strategy is "kill that bitch before she gets to the dive bombs", cause no one wants to deal with that shit.  :lol

In my very first clear, we just barely got her to 5% before she destroyed the party with the divebombs. I used Holmgang to both root myself on the spot and prevent my HP from going lower than 1, and had to desperately solo Nael from 5% to death before Fire/Ice one shot me. Most intense moment I've had with the game. :itagaki
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on January 29, 2017, 06:46:42 PM
So I got and installed the game - or so I thought. I never hit play on steam because I didn't want to waste the trial days until I knew I had time to play. I was all ready to play but when I get ready and launch I see 17 gbs of updates and it's downloading slow as hell. Noooooooooo
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 29, 2017, 07:31:24 PM
lolz. downloading that update counts as the start of your trial btw.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on January 29, 2017, 08:16:30 PM
lolz. downloading that update counts as the start of your trial btw.
:( yeah that's what I figured. One day gone! Seriously. What the hell still downloads at 300 kb/s?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 29, 2017, 08:21:05 PM
japan
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 30, 2017, 12:17:27 AM
started doing the feast and it's... actually kind of fun? with a good team and a leader who calls targets it can get pretty intense. it works well enough with the limited movement options in the game, though i wouldn't mind a couple other simple maps. not about to become one of those pvp-only weirdos, but it's fun enough now that it works.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 30, 2017, 01:46:15 AM
Did a crafting day today since didn't really want to put the effort in to start Final Coil and MSQ is still kinda zzz.  Got my crafters up from around 18-20 to 23-25.
Today 230 hours later I learned about Auto-crafting when I saw I could make Steel Ingots and they were selling for like 1.400gil each.  Bought enough to make 50, left it on auto-crafting and when I came back I'd gained 2 full levels :o

Cost me about 45k for the materials and was only able to sell it for about 60k so there's not much of a profit margin, but the concept of buying 99 materials to craft some item a few levels above you, set it to auto-craft, come back and be 2-3 levels higher and be able to sell it at a slight profit (so at least not losing money)...seems really good way to level crafters.  Way better use of time than leve crafts which take me like 4-6 leves per level gain.

The trick is to find material that is really useless and cheap so it doesn't cost much and then you just auto-craft x 99.  Or you spend $$$ but make sure the things you are making will be worth $$$ so you can sell them.  Gonna try this out with each crafting class over the next week. 

Also found out today that not every cutscene is available at the Inn!  When I finished First Coil my team wanted me to quickly run and unlock second Coil so I skipped all the cutscenes at waking sands & fallgourd float thinking I'd watch them at the inn.  Watched all of coil through Final Coil start and those cutscenes aren't major enough to be available at the Inn.  Only the cutscenes within the dungeons themselves.  I read the quest summaries and it's not like they were important, but good to know that if I'm not in a dungeon DO NOT SKIP CUTSCENES EVER.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 30, 2017, 02:25:49 AM
If they're actual cutscenes, you might have to look for those scenes by the name of the Quest itself, not the raid. Those will, naturally, only show you the cutscenes related to that raid.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 30, 2017, 02:53:38 AM
Yeah, not there.  The Chronicles tab with Bahamut has no cutscenes yet.  Googled and other people were in this situation and said "YouTube or start a new character to see it"
It's not that surprising, for example fisher job quest usually has a short minor cutscenes at the end of each 5 levels job quest but under job quest cutscenes only lvl.50 quest is the only cutscenes available.  Pretty sure there were at least a couple in 1-45 quests.

Definitely feel like there are minor cutscenes that still take away camera control to preset cameras but don't end up in the inn book and major cutscenes which are there.  The only thing I can think of is that it's possible after I beat Final Coil that all the in-between cutscenes may suddenly become available from First Coil -> end under the Chronices of a New Era - Bahamut tab.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 30, 2017, 07:26:42 AM
the only non-dungeon coil cutscene you can re-watch is the ending to the whole thing
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 30, 2017, 06:02:12 PM
So I saw something on GAF about a point in the MSQ where you have to grind Lore to get gear above 180 to continue the MSQ and the story just comes to a complete stop in HW as you grind/grind/grind to get enough gear to move forward.  Since that sounds sucky, I checked the AH board to see when I get to that point if I can just buy post i180 gear with gil and dodge the lore grind to progress (although I'm told the gear you'll get will jump you to i240 now).  I looked on the AH and there's only a few i180 or above items, mostly i250 items and they are insanely expensive.  i180 gear is like 1-2 million per piece, i250 gear is like 10 miliion per piece.  Uh, so that's not really possible.

Otoh, I guess that means if I get my crafters up to 60 I can make i180+ gear and sell it for millions as a source of income? 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 30, 2017, 06:12:32 PM
it'll drop in price some before then, as more people spend the tomes they build up on new gear. and there are lots of ways to get higher-level gear; getting i180 shouldn't even take long unless you're doing like nothing except msq.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 30, 2017, 06:19:21 PM
The person saying you have to "grind" lore is literally talking out of their ass and probably going about it in the most inefficient manner. Specially with how much you're playing Bebpo, Lore tomes literally rain like candy these days with all the content/roulettes that drop it, and all your roulettes change from giving exp to giving Lore once you hit 60. Dungeon gear at 60 /starts/ at i160 with the two easiest ones, and you can buy i180 and i200 gear cheaply using Centurio seals, a currency you can start building up the very moment you get to level 53. The most recent dungeons drop gear that's better than what you can get using Lore.



Crafted gear at that level is either for endgame raiding or glamours, hence the high price tags. The people that will use them can pay the cash, and crafting them isn't easy cause they require lots of really rare mats.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on January 30, 2017, 06:47:32 PM
So like you guys mentioned Hyperion isn't taking any new characters. How much of a PITA would it be trying to wait for them to allow more? Do they change that often?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on January 30, 2017, 06:52:30 PM
So like you guys mentioned Hyperion isn't taking any new characters. How much of a PITA would it be trying to wait for them to allow more? Do they change that often?

It's a relative PITA. You basically have to check in during the early morning or late night periods for the lock on character creation to go away for a period of time, just cuz Hyperion is a pretty well populated server.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/80cd4583bf743600105b947d6906d0909189e479

This post updates every 4 hours showing which servers are currently open to new characters.

The only other method is paying more money is to make a character on any server, then pay for a character transfer ($18) to the server of your choice, but that's more for desperate people who want to get into the even rarer servers no matter what. You'll get in eventually.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on January 30, 2017, 06:53:55 PM
Thanks! Damn damn damn. I really wanted to play tonight. I guess I'll keep it up and keep refreshing the server list
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 30, 2017, 08:02:04 PM
The person saying you have to "grind" lore is literally talking out of their ass and probably going about it in the most inefficient manner. Specially with how much you're playing Bebpo, Lore tomes literally rain like candy these days with all the content/roulettes that drop it, and all your roulettes change from giving exp to giving Lore once you hit 60. Dungeon gear at 60 /starts/ at i160 with the two easiest ones, and you can buy i180 and i200 gear cheaply using Centurio seals, a currency you can start building up the very moment you get to level 53. The most recent dungeons drop gear that's better than what you can get using Lore.



Crafted gear at that level is either for endgame raiding or glamours, hence the high price tags. The people that will use them can pay the cash, and crafting them isn't easy cause they require lots of really rare mats.

Ok, so sounds like it should be fine.

I haven't done a roulette in ages at this point (probably 100+ hours) and it feels great ;)  I've been getting enough Poetic tomes/xp just by doing all the content that I'm already at i123 and about 1/4th of the way to i130.  Already have 3 of the 9 i120 pieces upgraded to i130 and I've still got a handful of first-time tome bonuses left in T10-13, Lev Extreme, and remaining 2.3-2.5 Primals regular & extreme + Hilde fights.  Should be lvl.54, i130 by the time I start HW.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 30, 2017, 08:11:03 PM
Also I hadn't thought about selling old gear as I get new ones.  I probably should.  At least my HQ i115 ring I bought for 20k since you can't have two of the same i120 rings from poetic turn ins.

I've got up to like 650k gil now, but I still don't know good ways to get money.  I can get at least 150k per marlin, but that requires rng and I haven't felt like grinding it since I don't need the cash right now (better for queues, but no queues left atm that I need).  All the crafting stuff has super thin margins with my lvl.20-30 crafters, like gain 10% more than the mats cost, so I get like 10k.  If I'm in Gridania and it's raining I always catch raincatcher fish since they're required for the fishing job quest and you're fucked if it's not raining.  These sell about 2k each and I can usually catch 4-6 before it stops raining so it gets me 10k.

Selling FC items has DIED.  I was doing this for like a week, just 1 set of 99 per day.  Making 30k profit per day if not twice per day on Iron Ingots.  But then they just stopped selling and the competition on the market bottomed out the market so I'm lucky if I can sell them for 20k and make 15k profit. 

So I've been making like 10-30k a day from a few things, but that's it.  Those things don't take time and aren't consuming and sometimes help me level crafters so it's not big deal but it's not bringing in money.  And the only thing that brings in money aka 150k Marlin requires going out of the way to sit and grind for 15-30 mins.  So hmmmmm...

At somepoint, hopefully in HW I'll find ways to make more money.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 31, 2017, 04:10:36 AM
Tonight's thoughts:

-Working on MSQ 2.3, did
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Ramuh fight
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Nice music, but kinda easy, no interesting mechanics, just dodge AoEs, kill adds, win?  Looking forward to the Extreme fight.  Also what's up with that beard lol

-Did T10 of Coil, figure even if I'm not in the mood to run new coil on weeknights, I can probably do like 1 turn a day.  Party didn't even wait until 8 people joined, took off with six people unsync even though I'm basically at sync with my ilevel, so that's 5 unsync.  Almost wiped on boss even though it was straightforward lol

-Party made some comments that made me think T11 will have some important mechanics, so gonna watch a guide before looking for a T11 party next time.

-So I've been really confused because I thought after I buy some gear for 20,000 gil and the move on to better gear, I can sell that gear and make some of that back.  Like I've been really confused for 90% of the game as to why I can't sell on the market most equipment.  I always thought it was because green/blue unique stuff is market prohibited.  But then I pooled together all my outgrown gear I'll never need again (crafting/gathering gear since I'm omni-crafting/gathering leveling my sub-jobs) and then I couldn't sell almost anything!  And this was just normal gear.  I was so confused until I googled and apparently in MMOs once you use a piece of armor once, it becomes soul bound to you (even if spirit bond is less than 100%) and you can never sell it to anyone :|  So all that 20,000 gear because useless and can sell it for 100gil to an NPC vendor to clear inventory space :( 

The only thing I can thing of to get out of this is if I can desynth old used equip to material and sell that?  I don't even know if that's possible.

-Market fluctuates like crazy.  Marlins were down from 250,000 a week or two ago to now there's tons of listings for 100,000 or less.  I caught a few more tonight and was kinda bummed how low they had dropped.  Otoh, found some other FC items that were selling for like 90,000-100,000 gil that cost like 8k at the FC.  Now I know about diversifying.  I'm selling lots of stuff and hopefully some of it sells.  Made about 100k tonight, so at 750k now.  One day will pass my first million saved.  (although I've had over a million already, since I spent 300k on my FC room + like 100-200k on various gear at times).

-ATMOS.  So even though I'm not doing the Zodiac Weapons because I'm not crazy, I've been keeping an eye out for every Fate I run across figuring if I run across an ATMOS fate I'd equip my relic zenith and do it.  But I've never even seen one of these Atmos fates anywhere.  Do they even exist??

-Really like that starting in like 2.2 MSQ, all the main story scenes are now voiced. 

-Did a trial duty roulette for the heck of it, got Garuda Hard and man, after doing Extreme bosses and Coil and stuff, (hard) boss trials are such a joke.  Hardly any mechanics matter, everyone can just burn the bosses down.  I mean it's a quick and easy way to get some xp/gil and maybe poetics on roulette, but yeah it's tough for me to have fun fighting non-extreme bosses/raids because the combat is just too easy.  And dungeons and their trash mobs are kinda boring, mainly just fun for party chatting.  The Extreme boss fights (and Odin) are fun though, as is Coil T5 and T9 so far.

-I have to say, I find the world lore of 14 kinda boring compared to other FFs or other rpgs.  The only interesting things seem to be the Primals, but so far they don't have much depth, they're just like "people wish for them and they materialize and come down and mass mind control people" which is just sorta...boring?  I'm hoping they go somewhere interesting with the Primals, because otherwise there's ANCIENT HI-TECH ALLEGAN which was cool for the Crystal Tower, but it's pretty generic ancient hi-tech mysterious civilization, and then besides those two things it's just like evil empire vs elves/humans/orcs.  Basically while I enjoy the story enough right now, it's just really plain from a worldview/worldlore.  Almost every good rpg I've played in the last few years have had much more interesting setups.  Like Trails in the Sky does ancient hi-tech civilization and mysterious masked characters way better and Xenoblade does ancient hi-tech mysterious civ way better too.  Even FF15, which I haven't really played much seems to have a more interesting world lore based on kingsglaive. 

Just really hoping FF14 goes in some interesting directions with regards to Primals and the mechanics of the universe Eorza fits in.  I guess it's a bit too grounded so far for my rpg tastes.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 31, 2017, 11:09:32 AM
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  I find the world lore of 14 kinda boring   

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Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 31, 2017, 09:42:13 PM
^^ eh, it's ok.  I just don't think pre-HW so far there's a lot of depth to the history, culture and mysteries of the universe compared to a lot of other rpgs.  I guess I'm waiting for some BIG INTERESTING TWIST or something that makes the plot Xeno~ level of fan theories holy crap this is interesting I can't wait to find out where these plotlines go.

Like my problem with Primals, is they're huge god-like entities and potentially they can have huge influence on the balance of the universe.  Ideally I think I would liked if primals were basically the Originals from Dark Souls 1; before Mankind, kinda thing, then something happened and they all were banished into the aether and now they've begun coming back for some reason...dun dun dun.  But the explanation they gave in 2.3 was "Primals don't really even exist or have personalities or anything, they're just a collection of energy that gets brought down, feeds on soul energy and reflects the combined wishes of a group momentarily until you beat them up and they disappear again".  Like I felt that explanation took away from their personality of being major important characters of their own.

Because if you take away Primals all you have left are Ascians and Garleans and Ascians are generic masked cult as they come, and Garleans are generic empire from star wars.  Waiting for some deeper and more interesting layers to the universe the game takes place in.  Trails in the Sky franchise is a really good example of how to do that kind of world lore & mystery even though it's basically an evolution of Suikoden x Xenogears.




So in other news, I googled these ATMA fates I was looking for and I'm an idiot.  The names of the Atma of XXX aren't the names of specific FATES but the drop items you get from any fate in that area lol.  Ok, I guess if I'm ever doing fates I'll equip my zenith weapon in case I get an Atma drop.

Watched a video of T11 last night before sleeping with the hydra dragon.  Seems fine, the only tricky part being when you get the weird dna strand between two people and they can't get too close or too far, but since I know that I think it'll be ok.  Will try to find a party for T11 tonight.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on January 31, 2017, 10:17:24 PM
You can't go expecting Xenogears levels of narrative out of this thing, it's just a well done MMO and Final Fantasy narrative. XI's is pretty decent too despite being in a much less accessible game.

2.3ish onward are definitely a step up though. There's some bits of the HW leveling in Dravania that feels very very FF.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 31, 2017, 10:38:00 PM
^yup, there's more layers to it, but it never approaches anything like a Xeno game. i like it because there's just a ton of detail to it all. there's a history to every place in the game, and tons of npcs have stories and histories that fit in with everything. everything right down to the swearing seems meticulously designed, and they've kept it remarkably consistent over the years.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 31, 2017, 11:05:37 PM
Yeah, I agree.  But you can do both as Trails shows.  From what I hear XI's plot went pretty crazy and interesting at some point.  FF plots usually do, at least single player ones from FF4 onwards.  Hoping XIV's plot will go to at least FF7-13 levels of interesting craziness.


So when I got home tonight, put up a PF for T11 unsync w/bonus, had 2 different paladins join and drop at different times and a few dps, but never more than 3-4 people at a time.  First time I've had trouble filling a PF.  Wonderous Trails has been great for filling Coil unsync PFs lately since apparently a lot of stages are on WT.  Will keep trying on different days I guess.  T11 looks like a 10 minute quick run from the videos, seems like it should be easy to get a group and blow through fast.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 01, 2017, 03:19:04 AM
And right after I said that I got a party finder for T11...that wanted to go along to T12....and then wanted to keep going through T13...and finished coil (albeit unsync).  Nice music in the last two stages, and nice loot in T13.  First spot since I hit lvl.50 where the loot is legit.  Carbontwine drops = 400 poetics saved, which is nice.  lvl.130 gear drops means gear I don't have to upgrade using a carbontwine so again 400 poetics saved, i135 weapon drops :o

Considering how easy and short < 8 mins T13 is unsync, if I had a farm group I would totally farm it because that's a hella fast way to get my character to i130 (at i125 now).

Overall, the story for Binding of Coil was...just alright.  I liked Crystal Tower's story a lot better with Noah and Nero and all that.  Plus I think Coil is ruined a bit by the 2.0 MSQ final two dungeons issue of having cutscenes throughout the dungeon.  When I played World of Darkness which was like lvl.50 sync average item level 110, it was perfect difficulty with everyone between 110-130 so slightly overpowered but nothing crazy and balanced by weaker players.  Wipes are common enough that everyone needs to learn the mechanics somewhat along the way and do it right.  The cutscenes were at the beginning before going in and at the end after finishing.  So it was just this great epic challenging stage, some good loot and you get to watch and enjoy the story along the way.  Very satisfying and fun.

Otoh, Coil is like skip cutscenes, have no idea what is going on, burn through everything in 5 mins unsync without even learning mechanics because impossible to find sync parties anymore, lots of time spent finding parties even unsync between turns, then go back and watch the cutscenes in the inn and figure out what was going on...it's a mess and not particularly satisfying and it probably hurts the overall story of the quest even if the story is solid.  Yeah, cutscenes should never go in dungeons, only before dungeon starts and after the dungeon ends.

But hey Coil is done, so now there's nothing to sidetrack me at this point from finishing 2.3-2.5 MSQ and Hildebrand.  Should all be easy & straight-forward and after 2.5 I'll run the remaining Extreme Primal fights and youtube the Lancer/Dragoon job quest to 50 and then start HW.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 01, 2017, 04:33:29 AM
But... outside of the scene in turn 1 and turn 7, all of the cutscenes happen before anything happens, as you queue in. The party can't move or do anything until everyone is ready. /You/ made the decision to skip the scenes, but you could have just watched them and no one would have been bothered. It's really not a big deal, and anyone that IS bothered by it shouldn't have joined a clear party in the first place .

Really, after Praetorium and Castrum, you never ever ever have a reason to skip a single cutscene. Specially in later 4 person content where the party either waits for you to finish or wiped.

I'm taking a bit of a break due to studies, but when I get back on, we'll take you through those fights unsynced but with four or less people. That's how I cleared Final Coil during 3.X, and it gives you plenty of time to actually learn and practice the fights
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 01, 2017, 12:06:56 PM
There is a huge cutscenes before You can start T12 that most WT PF folks don't want to wait for you to watch. . And a huge cutscenes afterwards which happens to be the best cutscenes in the game.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on February 01, 2017, 01:53:15 PM
So after 2 days of checking Hyperion to get in (at 1am and 4am - still no dice) I gave up and created on Marlboro.  I got to level 6 and I'm enjoying it so far.  If I end up sticking with it long term I'll bite the bullet and pay 18 bucks to get transferred to Hyperion.

I did waste gil on a leather grimoire and a bandana at the market before the quest line gave it to me for completing the next quest.  Oh well.  Live and learn.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 01, 2017, 04:45:13 PM
But... outside of the scene in turn 1 and turn 7, all of the cutscenes happen before anything happens, as you queue in. The party can't move or do anything until everyone is ready. /You/ made the decision to skip the scenes, but you could have just watched them and no one would have been bothered. It's really not a big deal, and anyone that IS bothered by it shouldn't have joined a clear party in the first place .

Really, after Praetorium and Castrum, you never ever ever have a reason to skip a single cutscene. Specially in later 4 person content where the party either waits for you to finish or wiped.

I'm taking a bit of a break due to studies, but when I get back on, we'll take you through those fights unsynced but with four or less people. That's how I cleared Final Coil during 3.X, and it gives you plenty of time to actually learn and practice the fights

There's still really long cutscenes all the time, especially if you're doing multiple turns in a row.  Like at Turn 9 after the stage introduction, you take two steps forward and there's a long cutscene.  And no, nobody waits in FFXIV for 2.0 content anymore.  Doesn't matter if your PF says "story cutscenes", if it's unsynced, your party does not need you and 95% of the people who join your pf after 30 mins+ of waiting are only their for their WT clear so they rush in and out and if you want to be part of the fight and not miss the fight entirely, you have to skip all of the cutscenes and watch them in the Inn.  Even the cutscenes at the end of the fight, if you want to keep your WT party happy so they'll do the next turn with you the last thing you want to do is sit and watch a 3 min cutscene while everyone is waiting for you to make your roll on the loot drops.

It's basically the exact same situation the final 2.0 dungeons are in.

And it's been incredibly difficult and lengthy to get parties together for Coil Turns and that's with being willing to do unsync so I get WT people.  Trying to get non-WT people who want to watch cutscenes or do it sync is basically impossible at this point unless you have a full party of 7 other friends in agreement to do it together with you, but that's a lot of effort and very few people are willing to do that for someone else.

So after 2 days of checking Hyperion to get in (at 1am and 4am - still no dice) I gave up and created on Marlboro.  I got to level 6 and I'm enjoying it so far.  If I end up sticking with it long term I'll bite the bullet and pay 18 bucks to get transferred to Hyperion.

I did waste gil on a leather grimoire and a bandana at the market before the quest line gave it to me for completing the next quest.  Oh well.  Live and learn.

I'm surprised Hyperion is hard to get into.  I didn't have an issue when I signed up 2 months ago and I've never had to wait in a queue so it's not like the world is hopping and full.  Weird.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 01, 2017, 05:18:47 PM
It's less that Hyperion is full most of the time and more an effort to get people to join lol pop servers in general. Wish they had a more reliable method of checking though.  :-\

There's still really long cutscenes all the time, especially if you're doing multiple turns in a row.  Like at Turn 9 after the stage introduction, you take two steps forward and there's a long cutscene.  And no, nobody waits in FFXIV for 2.0 content anymore.  Doesn't matter if your PF says "story cutscenes", if it's unsynced, your party does not need you and 95% of the people who join your pf after 30 mins+ of waiting are only their for their WT clear so they rush in and out and if you want to be part of the fight and not miss the fight entirely, you have to skip all of the cutscenes and watch them in the Inn.  Even the cutscenes at the end of the fight, if you want to keep your WT party happy so they'll do the next turn with you the last thing you want to do is sit and watch a 3 min cutscene while everyone is waiting for you to make your roll on the loot drops.

It's basically the exact same situation the final 2.0 dungeons are in.

Again, none of that is accurate. Yes, during the 2.0 dungeons, you risked getting left behind if you watched the cutscenes. That was a mistake. Yes, people DO wait for cutscenes for 2.0 content, because I see it all the time and I do it for other people, because I had the opportunity for it, so why shouldn't they? During the entirety of coil, outside of the two cutscenes I already mentioned, there are zero lengthy cutscenes inside the battle content proper that people can ditch you over. They all happen either before the fight starts (and no one can engage until you're finished watching) or after the fight is over. In the latter case, who cares? Don't let other people make your experience worse for you. You don't even need eight people to beat this stuff anymore, let the grumpy impatient people leave and go with the people who are willing to let you get the full experience. If people can't wait with a simple "hang on, im unlocking the next turn", they aren't worth pleasing.

Finding people willing to do this stuff synced is near impossible, yes, because most players aren't interested in the fight itself but the reward for doing so. But asking people to wait the few minutes it takes for all the newbies in the party to watch the intended story cutscenes isnt even remotely an unreasonable request, and if you run into people who can't even do that much, you're better off letting them leave. More so if its the party /you/ assembled.

Like really, SpeedStats and I have completed most of the Coil fights/ARR Extreme Trials as a War/Sch duo. The ones we haven't cleared, it was only due to it being mechanically impossible (T9 golems, T10 adds). You won't lose anything out of having those dumb people leave.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on February 01, 2017, 05:47:46 PM
Marlboro doesn't seem bad. The beginner area is very well populated so I think that's a good sign. I was fearing my experience with XI where it was rare to see anyone in the beginner areas after the first couple of years
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 01, 2017, 06:05:06 PM
It's less that Hyperion is full most of the time and more an effort to get people to join lol pop servers in general. Wish they had a more reliable method of checking though.  :-\

There's still really long cutscenes all the time, especially if you're doing multiple turns in a row.  Like at Turn 9 after the stage introduction, you take two steps forward and there's a long cutscene.  And no, nobody waits in FFXIV for 2.0 content anymore.  Doesn't matter if your PF says "story cutscenes", if it's unsynced, your party does not need you and 95% of the people who join your pf after 30 mins+ of waiting are only their for their WT clear so they rush in and out and if you want to be part of the fight and not miss the fight entirely, you have to skip all of the cutscenes and watch them in the Inn.  Even the cutscenes at the end of the fight, if you want to keep your WT party happy so they'll do the next turn with you the last thing you want to do is sit and watch a 3 min cutscene while everyone is waiting for you to make your roll on the loot drops.

It's basically the exact same situation the final 2.0 dungeons are in.

Again, none of that is accurate. Yes, during the 2.0 dungeons, you risked getting left behind if you watched the cutscenes. That was a mistake. Yes, people DO wait for cutscenes for 2.0 content, because I see it all the time and I do it for other people, because I had the opportunity for it, so why shouldn't they? During the entirety of coil, outside of the two cutscenes I already mentioned, there are zero lengthy cutscenes inside the battle content proper that people can ditch you over. They all happen either before the fight starts (and no one can engage until you're finished watching) or after the fight is over. In the latter case, who cares? Don't let other people make your experience worse for you. You don't even need eight people to beat this stuff anymore, let the grumpy impatient people leave and go with the people who are willing to let you get the full experience. If people can't wait with a simple "hang on, im unlocking the next turn", they aren't worth pleasing.

Finding people willing to do this stuff synced is near impossible, yes, because most players aren't interested in the fight itself but the reward for doing so. But asking people to wait the few minutes it takes for all the newbies in the party to watch the intended story cutscenes isnt even remotely an unreasonable request, and if you run into people who can't even do that much, you're better off letting them leave. More so if its the party /you/ assembled.

Like really, SpeedStats and I have completed most of the Coil fights/ARR Extreme Trials as a War/Sch duo. The ones we haven't cleared, it was only due to it being mechanically impossible (T9 golems, T10 adds). You won't lose anything out of having those dumb people leave.

Eh, I've had very different experience with other people in my encounters over the last 2 months.  In my experience no one waits for cutscene watchers anywhere.  Even in 4 man dungeons, I wrote earlier about the experience where 2 of us players watched the 10 second boss intro cutscene and when we got out we were locked out of the boss fight because the DPS and Healer ran straight in and didn't give a shit...and they still won.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 01, 2017, 06:59:22 PM
This is kinda what i meant about the standalone PC version of the game (https://store.na.square-enix.com/final-fantasy-30th-anniversary-sale/all), haha. These kinds of sales happen all the time, meanwhile the Steam version mostly ever is just part of the seasonal sales, maybe.

Eh, I've had very different experience with other people in my encounters over the last 2 months.  In my experience no one waits for cutscene watchers anywhere.  Even in 4 man dungeons, I wrote earlier about the experience where 2 of us players watched the 10 second boss intro cutscene and when we got out we were locked out of the boss fight because the DPS and Healer ran straight in and didn't give a shit...and they still won.

2.0 leveling dungeons and everything after that are very different experiences. I've done up to like, Qarn hard with all types of party members missing without a problem, but I'd be hard pressed to do any of the 2.X or 3.x dungeons without the full party.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on February 01, 2017, 07:08:54 PM
Haha luckily I hadn't purchased! I'm still going on the 14 day demo from steam. There won't be an issue with buying this and just using my SE login for the pc download version from the SE store, right?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 01, 2017, 07:45:03 PM
This is kinda what i meant about the standalone PC version of the game (https://store.na.square-enix.com/final-fantasy-30th-anniversary-sale/all), haha. These kinds of sales happen all the time, meanwhile the Steam version mostly ever is just part of the seasonal sales, maybe.

Eh, I've had very different experience with other people in my encounters over the last 2 months.  In my experience no one waits for cutscene watchers anywhere.  Even in 4 man dungeons, I wrote earlier about the experience where 2 of us players watched the 10 second boss intro cutscene and when we got out we were locked out of the boss fight because the DPS and Healer ran straight in and didn't give a shit...and they still won.

2.0 leveling dungeons and everything after that are very different experiences. I've done up to like, Qarn hard with all types of party members missing without a problem, but I'd be hard pressed to do any of the 2.X or 3.x dungeons without the full party.

It was the Brayfax Longstep (hard) 2.3? dungeon :P

Anyhow, it just sounds like it's a flip of a coin whether your party waits or not if you watch cutscenes.  I watch intro to dungeon cutscenes and exit from dungeon cutscenes, but I usually skip every cutscene in a dungeon, even boss intros and deaths and watch them in the inn after.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 01, 2017, 07:50:54 PM
Man, that ain't right. Don't skip those, they're lame to watch after everything is said and done.  :'(

Oh yeah, Brayflox hard is the one other exception. That dungeon was pathetically easy even at launch, with most people making competitions about how quickly it could be destroyed.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 01, 2017, 07:53:22 PM
Haha luckily I hadn't purchased! I'm still going on the 14 day demo from steam. There won't be an issue with buying this and just using my SE login for the pc download version from the SE store, right?

There shouldn't be, I don't think. You only get "locked" in once you add the license for game to your mogstation account.

Bebps should look into giving Mupepe a recruit a friend code before he spends any money on game time (which is the time limit for it). Gives you both some extra goodies for doing so. (http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/friend_recruit/)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 01, 2017, 07:55:23 PM
Haha luckily I hadn't purchased! I'm still going on the 14 day demo from steam. There won't be an issue with buying this and just using my SE login for the pc download version from the SE store, right?
Bebps should look into giving Mupepe a recruit a friend code before he spends any money on game time (which is the time limit for it). Gives you both some extra goodies for doing so. (http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/friend_recruit/)

Can we do this on different servers?

And yeah, you get good stuff Mups.  +20% xp head armor and chocobo feathers that can net you lvl.120 gear when you hit lvl.50.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 01, 2017, 07:56:55 PM
Yup, servers don't matter. Just need to have him punch in the code you can generate on the mogstation.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on February 01, 2017, 08:23:15 PM
Haha luckily I hadn't purchased! I'm still going on the 14 day demo from steam. There won't be an issue with buying this and just using my SE login for the pc download version from the SE store, right?

There shouldn't be, I don't think. You only get "locked" in once you add the license for game to your mogstation account.

Bebps should look into giving Mupepe a recruit a friend code before he spends any money on game time (which is the time limit for it). Gives you both some extra goodies for doing so. (http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/friend_recruit/)
I don't know what that means haha. I guess I'm only level 6 so even if they make me start a new character because I bought the other version I'm ok.

I'm up for that bebps! Just tell me what I need to do. Much appreciated! Do I need to wait for your code before I go purchase from SE?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 01, 2017, 08:31:43 PM
Here: https://secure.square-enix.com/oauth/oa/oauthlogin?response_type=code&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Fsecure.square-enix.com%2Faccount%2Fapp%2Fsvc%2Ftop%3Frequest%3Dmogstation&client_id=ffxiv_mog&facflg=1

That's where you log in to access your account details and shit. You can put in a referal code at any time until you pay for your first game time. So until you buy the game, play the included 30 days and /then/ buy game time.

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I don't know what that means haha. I guess I'm only level 6 so even if they make me start a new character because I bought the other version I'm ok.

The way SE accounts works, you can only have one PC license tied to your account, but there are two different PC versions: Standalone and Steam. Once you purchase either one, you are effectively "locked into" that version for all future expansions, so you always have to buy that version. Has nothing to do with making characters, of which you can have  eight per server~
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on February 01, 2017, 08:34:16 PM
ah ok.  Gotcha.  So it's not until I pay for my first month basically.  Cool beans.  Thanks!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on February 01, 2017, 08:50:13 PM
Bought the SE online store!  w00t!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 01, 2017, 09:47:32 PM
I'll pm you a code when I get home tonight.  FYI more game patching tonight 9:30pm-1:30am-ish PST.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 02, 2017, 12:21:20 AM
Next milestone hit: passed 1 million gil yay.  Sold about 300-400k last night.  I feel like when people are buying I can probably make like 200-300k gil per night if I put 20 mins in.  I mean it helps that I don't buy much, so I'm just saving it all.  I buy low end materials for my daily GC turn ins if I can't easily just grab it myself and then I spend a ton teleporting, but that's about it.  Will continue to stockpile money so when I need to buy higher quality mats or equipment I can buy some.

Bought a 4th venture because the quick 1H assignments to instantly grab a bunch of any specific material you need is really helpful when omnicrafting all classes.  Now I've got 1 battle, 1 miner, 1 botanist, 1 fish retainer...and it only costs me $100 every six months ;_;

Bought the SE online store!  w00t!

Sent you a PM :) 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 02, 2017, 12:38:11 AM
how do you have four retainers
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 02, 2017, 01:07:26 AM
 :playa :playa :playa :playa :playa :tophat :tophat :tophat :tophat :tophat  :ego :ego :ego
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 02, 2017, 01:28:16 AM
how do you have four retainers

Well, the non-paid way to do it is make multiple characters with 2 each and switch between them all.  Some of the people in our FC do that.  But that's too much effort for me.  Lazy way is to pay Square an extra $4 per month for 2 more retainers  :'(  Then again at least I don't care about vanity stuff or paid mounts at all so I'm not buying collector's editions and I'll probably never been any DLC items.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 02, 2017, 02:01:42 AM
<---- has 8 retainers on one character. :success
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 02, 2017, 02:07:41 AM
do each of the multiple characters have to be on the same server? bc I'm only paying for the plan that lets you have a single character per server
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 02, 2017, 02:22:41 AM
Yeah, because the whole gaming the system is using the company chest to log out/log in and switch inventory between characters.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 02, 2017, 02:22:56 AM
Yes, the multiple characters have to be on the same server for obvious reasons.  :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 02, 2017, 02:27:45 AM
dammit that's too much work. will continue my usual pattern of hoarding everything until I get mad at the lack of space  and sell it all to start over.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 02, 2017, 02:30:37 AM
dammit that's too much work. will continue my usual pattern of hoarding everything until I get mad at the lack of space  and sell it all to start over.

This is me in SMT games when I just kamikaze fuse all my demons together to make stock space and hope everything turns out ok.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on February 02, 2017, 09:23:33 PM
Got to level 10 today. Woo hoo! Early lvl grinding is so much easier in this than xi. Tons of quests that give decent xp. I also hooked my pc up to my TV and playing this on the couch is great.

I got bebps invitation code but I'm going to wait until my 14 day trial runs out since I can't use the key I bought last night on the steam version and I can't enter that code until I transfer to the full game.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 02, 2017, 10:30:11 PM
I was playing some Theatrhythm CC and FFVII's Golden Saucer song came up and HOLY CRAP IT'S THE SAME SONG  :o :o :o


Yeah I'm not a big FFVII fan so I never noticed, but that's cool.  FFXIV is essentially a big fanservice game!  Is Alexander in HW sorta like Alexander in FFIX?
I hope they have space travel with the Ragnorak someday :P
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 02, 2017, 10:33:24 PM
what :lol yeah i mean the whole thing is a tribute to the original gold saucer. the whole Crystal Tower quest was a tribute to ff3, too. tons of subtle and overt tributes to old ff games all over the place.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 03, 2017, 12:10:21 PM
So now that I'm getting around 25-30 with my crafters I'm needing lots materials I can't just buy.  Luckily I can just send my retainers on 1H ventures to collect my shopping list of materials.  This is very useful.  And if it's simple mining/botany I'll just teleport over and grab materials myself.

I take a look at the market board first but if someone is charging 1,000 gil+ for one item I'm like no thanks, I'll grab it myself. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on February 03, 2017, 12:13:14 PM
what are retainers? 

Are there any common loot items that I should be selling on the marketplace early in the game?  In XI silk threads were the go to for low level players to sell at the auction house for good money.  I haven't sold anything yet since I can't even see the market in the trial version.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 03, 2017, 12:31:01 PM
retainers are characters you create that work as item chests.

there ain't a lot good you can sell off early in the game, but the main story gives you lots of gil. somewhere between 500k and 1mil when you finish 2.0.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mupepe on February 03, 2017, 01:24:22 PM
ah ok.  thank you.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 03, 2017, 02:38:03 PM
what are retainers? 

Are there any common loot items that I should be selling on the marketplace early in the game?  In XI silk threads were the go to for low level players to sell at the auction house for good money.  I haven't sold anything yet since I can't even see the market in the trial version.

Miners have a lot of low level stuff they can sell in batches for solid money like Iron Ore, Alumen, Bomb Ash.  Grab a few of everything and then check prices on the market board.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 03, 2017, 02:39:47 PM
And by solid money I'm talking about 20-30k+ gil.  That's still good money to me, especially with no materials cost overhead if you're gathering it yourself.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 03, 2017, 02:40:30 PM
G-pose is really good

(http://i.imgur.com/lLUgtP7.jpg)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 03, 2017, 09:55:43 PM
Nice photo!

Up to 1.4 million gil now  8)
Also been saving up MGP since I got my top rank deck in Triple Triad so I don't to buy card packs anymore.  Almost at 100k MGP.  Not sure what to save up for/spend on.  Some of the cool cosmetic stuff is super pricey.

Yeah I'm definitely in MSQ 2.4 now since they're talking about the Ice Queen.  I guess 2.3 ended with the Sultana cutscene?  That cutscene was really good.  Maybe best cutscene in the game so far.  Added some depth and complexity to the character and politics.  Also decently emotional.  Feel bad for Princess and her dude straight out of a Matsuno Western RPG bodyguard.  I like seeing the characters question

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whether a grand company army is a good idea.  Just nice to see the plot evolve beyond good guys go collect crystals and fight evil primals.

You know, thinking about it, I think I would have like 2.0 more if the Coil storyline had been the main 60 hour 2.0 plot.  Could've been given a lot more substance and it would've made for a much better FF story than the 2.0 MSQ
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Oh, and I've been doing daily roulette Trial each day because it takes all of 5 mins and is an immediate fun boss battle.  Gotten Cape Highwind twice in a row :o, just did Titan (hard) and it's so easy now coming from Titan Extreme lolz
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2017, 12:47:04 AM
Rolled up across Behemoth while doing 2.4 MSQ.  Yelled the spot, about 8 people came and that was it so we threw snowballs at him for a while and then said fuck it and started the fight.  Maybe there were like 2 people outside our 8 person team.

Fight was sooooooooooooooooooooooooo easy.  Like since this is the other "big Fate" from 2.0 like Odin I was expecting crazy Odin murdering the shit out of everyone.  But all Behemoth does is sit and claw at the tank in front of him and drop a slow circle AoE that everyone can avoid.  I don't think I got hit once in his first phase.  Then he ran off and I thought we fucked up the Fate and he got too far away and was gonna reset.

But nope, there's part 2!  But...it was just as easy lol.  Only difference from a DPS perspective was a few more easily avoidable AoEs.  Didn't get hit once, got him down to like 3% and then the tanks died and suddenly he was targetting me and yeah I can't tank those swipes with my glass cannon armor.  Died in like 2 hits around 2% left.  Party still had like 5 people, got him down to 1%, he dropped the meteor as he died and killed everyone except the healer.  And we won and the healer slowly revived us all.

Was fun, got my horns and spent them on a dumb helmet I can't even equip, but maybe some day.  But yeah, this was a joke compared to Odin.  Seems easily beatable with like 10 people, whereas Odin we had maybe 20-50 people and everyone was dying left and right and it was super close on the final slash.

Photos I took of the fight:
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(http://i.imgur.com/Q5aBUjH.jpg)

Hey look who I see.

(http://i.imgur.com/gp8dBTD.jpg)

Pshhh, easy.

(http://i.imgur.com/VRvKQUq.jpg)

Heading to Pt.2

(http://i.imgur.com/9aPYOG7.jpg)

Kicking butt, still easy at 5% remaining.

(http://i.imgur.com/pc0fMR3.jpg)

Getting dead.

(http://i.imgur.com/m4y5w0x.jpg)

Dead bodies everywhere, but we won.
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Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 04, 2017, 09:29:35 AM
photo protip: if you hold l1 and push the TouchPad, the hud will disappear
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 04, 2017, 12:12:28 PM
I don't want to go through this entire thread, but...

If I don't really like mmo's but I like the gameplay more or less of XII and XV, would I be into this?  Is there a good starter-guide out there to read?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2017, 01:56:03 PM
Sorta.  It's kind of like FFXII but a lot more padded than single player rpgs, like a loooot.  Otoh the multiplayer stuff adds to the dungeons/bosses and makes them more fun.  There's also way more side stuff to do than a normal single player rpg.  You've got chocobo racing, triple triad, hunts, all kinds of sidequests and optional story arcs, fishing, crafting, etc...

It's a very good rpg, but it feels pretty different than single player rpgs and move at a slower pace and longer time requirement.  The game has an in-game help guide and google works for most stuff I've found.  Game is dirt cheap with a free month, so you can always try and see what you think.  Note that the game gets 10x better when you finish the base story and hit lvl.50 and all the fun stuff unlocks.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 06, 2017, 04:47:43 PM
Did the Shiva battle last night.  Solid fight, seems tougher on tanks since we wiped the first time due to our tanks dying.  The AoEs threw me off at first due to the non-Orange indicators.

Up to 1.8 million gil now  8)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 06, 2017, 04:49:24 PM
I don't want to go through this entire thread, but...

If I don't really like mmo's but I like the gameplay more or less of XII and XV, would I be into this?  Is there a good starter-guide out there to read?

If you hate MMO's it may not be your thing, but the in game tutorials are sufficient. You can check http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/playguide/ as well.

Cracked the hell out over weekend, did almost all of 2.4/5. Am at end of line on MSQ. Best FF ever.  :doge

Still have to do Alex (M2 on), new raid, and I guess get gear up...although may wait for 2.55/scrip limit removal. i236 now.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 06, 2017, 05:35:27 PM
what server you on akala?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 06, 2017, 06:42:48 PM
Best song when I played the FFXIV medley in Theaterythm Arcade was the Sirus Pharos song.  Kinda bummed that song isn't in Curtain Call, though CC has Ifrit/Gardua/Titan themes and the arcade only has like 3 other songs.

Also the Pharos song was a bit hard to place considering it's really good and only used in an easy dungeon you'll play once and then never again.  Total waste.  They should re-use some tracks like that for other parts.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 06, 2017, 06:51:46 PM
best dungeon track imo.

i hope Theaterythm gets another home release at some point. hell what I really want is a greatest hits compilation of all old square music. not holding my breath for that one tho.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 06, 2017, 08:18:49 PM
The more I think about it, the more after the Crystal Tower & Coil, everything else feels less fulfilling. 

Like I enjoy dungeon bosses, but the trash mobs between bosses is boring.  I don't know how it can ever get exciting again.  Maybe make some trash mobs really hard and require smart skills on them (silence, stuns, buffs/debuffs like you would in a raid).  And man, after almost 300 hundred hours I've come to realize that the quest design in MMOs (at least going by FFXIV) kinda sucks.  Like 90% of the game is just running from one person to another to talk to them.  Fast travel and then spend a minute chocobo riding to talk to them and warp somewhere else and ride and talk to them.  It's like an adventure game with no puzzles.  Kind like a visual novel with padded running between.  The other 10% is dungeons (great bosses, zzz mobs), boss fights (good, some great) and raids which are fucking awesome challenging/interesting fights one after another.

I really think after I catch up on the story I'll basically just be raiding/boss trials since that's fun and can drop good loot.  Unless the MSQ starts making MSQs more interesting than just running from one person to another and watching cutscenes until you hit a dungoen/boss.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 06, 2017, 09:08:33 PM
Pharos will forever be ingrained into my memory because it used to get done a ton back when it was new. It was also incredibly annoying to actually play because of some mechanics that have long since been adjusted to make it less of a PITA to clear with random people. There's a Pharos Sirius hard mode waiting for you anyway, so you haven't seen the last of that theme.  ;)

The dungeons do get continously more interesting, though trash mobs will always be trash mobs. The "fun" of dungeons comes out of optimizing how to best get them done through positioning, skill use, etc, but that doesn't apply to 50 content anymore cause its all been figured out and done to death. Meanwhile I'm still figuring out how to best do the first few trash mob pulls in the latest 60 dungeon cause i still can't do them right every time. They're also much better incentivized to do when you get tomestome rewards that are actually relevant to your current level, rather than everything being outdated/handed to you.

And yeah, it prob doesn't help that you swallowed up all of the raid/trial content in one big gulp while putting off the MSQ as much as you could.  :P It was much easier to digest piece by piece as it came out rather than having to do it all in one go.

But that's ok, because with Shiva done and meeting Ysayle, you've already started the prologue to Heavensward and are done with 2.4. 2.5 jumpstarts all the rising tensions that you've been building up to since the Crystal Braves formed in 2.3, ending 2.X with a bang and immediately going straight to 3.0  :gun
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 06, 2017, 09:42:18 PM
PT: Main is on Sarg (legacy). I was gonna make an alt on the one all you guys are playing on, but world was full other day.

Beb: MSQ for HW is muchas better than 2.0, but you are always going to have the MMO-style fetch quests. Pacing in HW was off at launch, you'd get to a gate with 1-2 levels before you could unlock...I would definitely sprinkle in POTD runs or something and not do all of the sidequests though. Especially if you don't want to hate moogles. Good on you for trying to go through sequentially, guessing that is pretty rare now though. Coil is prob the worst thing to try. I would honestly save a few of the extreme fights cause you will need to re-run in DF to unlock triad anyway.

Sun: Agree. There is a lot of neat 50 stuff, but I'd def press on.  :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 06, 2017, 10:23:16 PM
At some point I'll do PoTD for something other than the XP.  I'm like halfway to lvl.55, so maaaaybe start HW at 55 already so probably ok on XP.  But at some point it would be fun to take PoTD past lvl.10 (since everyone grinding for pure fast xp just is doing lvl.1-10 over and over again for that 30% of a level XP or something) and see the rest of it.  I heard the boss of PotD is a good challenge.

I love moogles!  The delivery quests are great, and the MSQ 2.1 stuff with the moogle taking you to Good King Mog who is always talking like "And please get rid of Good King Moogle, oh he is so great in his name and everything he does, so that Good King Mog, may his name reign forever in all of us, does not come back"  :lol  What they've done with making Moogles lazy jerks and Slyphs psychopathic pranksters is fantastic.  Always enjoy their dialogues.

Yeah I generally don't do all of the "!" sidequests, just the "+" ones and sometimes a few "!" ones just to feel out a place and get to know the npcs/area a bit.

What does "need to re-run extreme fights in DF to unlock triad" mean?  I already got a quest that wants me to re-run Ifrit/Garuda/Titan Ex for Rowena Tokens (which seem useless at this point?), just like I've got a quest to re-run all three parts of the Crystal Tower which I'm totally up for after some time. 

Think I'll log on for a bunch tonight.  Just finished up with work and not really hungry.  Time to start 2.5 MSQ!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 06, 2017, 10:38:30 PM
Yeah at 55 you are prob fine to rush to 60 without many blocks.

POTD I didn't think was too hard, only really dangerous when crazy stuff fors wrong. Kinna wep is great, just a bit grindy.

Rowena tokens not worth, keep going. I was saying you'll need to redo them after you finish main bit of HW MSQ to unlock Warring Triad stuff.

Crystal tower weekly clear has decent reward, but game opens up again at 60.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 06, 2017, 11:02:45 PM
Yeah, the Rowena tokens were there as an alternative way to get i90 weapons back during 2.1 by clearing out the core 3 EX Primals every week. Pointless now outside of glamour.

You're more than fine to just burn through all of the 3.0 MSQ at 55~

What I think Akala means is that you used to require both of the new 3.0 EX Primals to unlock the Warring Triad stuff, but they changed that now. The quest that unlocks both of those EXses just progresses straight into rest.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 06, 2017, 11:34:19 PM
Cool, yeah I think my goal for hitting HW is lvl.55, 2.5million gil.  I'm on pace for that right now.  Fishing is almost lvl.52 just from turn ins.  Crafters/Min/Bot probably be ~lvl.30 across the board at that point.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 06, 2017, 11:40:49 PM
I am stuck on this stupid adventurer squad though.  The level 35/40 missions are so damn annoying getting the right stats to beat them.  Feel like I've been stuck with a lvl35-40 squad for weeks.  Just gotta beat this 40 mission and get the next set unlocked which hopefully starts having good rewards.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 06, 2017, 11:41:58 PM
You're further in that squad stuff than 99% of level 60 players.

Myself included.  :goty2
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 06, 2017, 11:49:24 PM
fuck that squadron shit. i cant be arsed to run back to uldah every hour. pretty sure the only reward is a new rank and an exclusive coat. whoop de fucking doo.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 06, 2017, 11:59:20 PM
I dunno, I mean I log out at the Limsa Inn and it's right around the corner and also right next to where I drop off my GC trade-ins, so I'll get at least 2-3 training sessions and hopefully a mission in before I log out each day.  Just part of the routine like watering and fertilizing my two flower pots, doing GC turns ins, doing my mini-cactpot, doing my daily 5 minute trial roulette, going around and buying 99 of all the materials I just sold since the last session and putting them back up for sale.

Part of the reason why at like 260 hours I'm only on MSQ 2.5 ^^;  I spend like 60-90 minutes doing my routine stuff each day, so if I play for like 2 hours I get 30 mins of MSQ in, 3 hours, I get 90 mins of MSQ etc... but I enjoy the routine.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 07, 2017, 02:40:39 AM
Keeper of the lake was nice.  Fun dungeon, good fights, decent amount of minor challenge.  Some good cutscenes too.


But holy fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck is this the worst translation I've ever seen in a game.  Like it's not just that the JP/English dialogue doesn't match up, but that they completely change the tone of characters ALL THE TIME and it drives me nuts.  Like dragon will say in JP something wise, godly and not malicious at all like "Hear me one who possess the echo, man sins and never learns from his sins, but if hydelian wills me to lend you strength, by the covenent I will watch over you, but I will test you", and in English he just yells "ISHGARD WILL BURN, DESTROY EVERYTHING MUHAHA, I will watch you and you will DIE by someone else's hand mwuhahaha"

Like, the fuck.  Even the last line I saw back at the Rising Stones base, after Knight girl says their defenses have always held up against dragons and will, Alphie say in JP "a war that's gone on for countless eras, how long must it continue..." and in English he says something to the effect of "defenses that always held up, yeah we'll see...", like they're saying completely different things.  And this is like every line in the game that has 10,000 lines.  Basically the english version feels like a bunch of people looking at the cutscenes with no script and then just making up their own dialogue and story with general plot cues given from Japan rather than actually like, localizing the Japanese script.  Drives me nuts.

I really hate playing it entirely in Japanese (text) because there's so much non-story text in the game it's a pain in the ass and so much easier playing in English.  But I can't deal with JP audio and english text when every voiced cutscene is two completely different stories going on at once and it's very difficult to follow.  Up until now the MSQ was so whatever I didn't really care about it, but now that the plot is picking up I'm just gonna switch to JP text for HW MSQ and it annoys me because if these localizing people actually did their job right I wouldn't have to  :maf
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 07, 2017, 02:47:37 AM
Wow, I googled terrible translation FFXIV and the second link is the exact scene I just watched that caused me to rant.  Reddit had an entire thread on how different the JP/Eng versions of that scene at the end of Keeper of the Lake is:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/2tc5fk/spoiler_midgardsomr_japanese_versus_english/

The translations on the JP side in that is kinda weak.  But like here's a part that strikes me as really different:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
[Orange light pierces the PC and dispels the protection of Light]      

/english script
Heh heh heh. Mayhap thou thinkest me an oathbreaker?   
Thou art mistaken. If thou comest to harm, it shall be by another's hand, not mine.   
I did but strip thee of thy mistress's feeble blessing.   
Thou didst profit much by Her grace, but no more.   

/jp script
The Dragonclaw has pierced you and by my power I have chained the light given to you by Hydaelyn.
Though light itself always casts a shadow, and perhaps..even without my claw, that light may have dimmed.
Still, I made a promise to Her, And to you, blessed by her light, I shall not take your life.
But you are still a human, and like those of Ishgard one day you may foolishly sin as well.  If you do, know your life to be forfeit
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Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 07, 2017, 03:17:44 AM
Another bit that is totally saying different things WTF

/English
Quote
Fight and struggle, if be thy will.      
Man hath ever coveted that which lieth beyond his grasp.   

(aka, good luck fucker, you humans reach too far for your own good)

/JP
Quote
Make your destiny, special one. Break free from my claw by your own strength.
If you are truly special, perhaps you can lead humanity and bring an end to this war.  This is your trial.

(aka, good luck HERO, make your destiny, and stop this bullshit war; I'm rooting for ya!)

 :maf :maf

i'm sorry but changing tone & characterization of people in localization is like the biggest sin in my translation book.  Really pisses me off.  Also I think I take this stuff more personally because I was pretty close to a life in the professional game translation career back in the day.  Generally the only time I'm pro tossing the original script away and going nuts is in comedy games where the original just isn't very funny (Paper Mario 2) and so you make your own jokes and funny.  I've seen that work a few times.  I'm also not anti-Alexander O' Smith's make everything british and old-english for medieval game translations.  It's not 1:1 accurate, but his stuff actually is like 99% accurate line by line but with some nice prose in the style.  That's another thing, you can localize with flavor by changing the style or little things here and there while staying true to the original dialogue and tone of the characters.  That's usually what good translations are.  They're maybe 90% accurate and that's totally fine.  100% accurate translates don't work and suck.  But FFXIV is like 20% accurate translation ^^;
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 07, 2017, 07:48:13 AM
You're further in that squad stuff than 99% of level 60 players.

Myself included.  :goty2

 :lol

And yeah I may have gotten confused on the EX ones, I never actually did GarEx so I am going to have to do it this weekend.

Have seen the complaints  on translation before. The jp explanation for blessing makes more sense lol. You may want to keep it in Japanese cause you've a lot of dragon speeches to go!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 07, 2017, 09:17:17 AM
be careful about reading too much about script changes bebps. i ran into a major hs spoiler doing that.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 07, 2017, 03:48:32 PM
FFXIV's localization is a special case in that Koji Fox (FFXIV's Localization Director) is actually involved with the world lore creation for the game alongside main scenario writer Kazutoyo Maehiro. Hell, Koji was the person who came up with the entire dragon language used in the game. It's not an all an uncommon sentiment from JP players that use the English voices just because the dialogue can be more exciting than the JPN dub.

That said, Koji isn't perfect. There's specifically three instances where he kinda fucked up during localization: Nael van Baelsar's true nature/gender, Midgarsomr's early characterization/text, and one minor thing with Goblins during Heavensward. Outside of those three instances, there's really no problem with Koji's involvement on the localization, so you shouldn't let that deter you from using english text.

That said, there were still completely valid arguments for the choices he made with Midgarsorm at that point, in choosing to make him come across as more mysterious and vague rather than being fully up front with his reasoning for doing things, which requires a lot more extrapolation and reading between the lines. Cause i mean, he's the father of all the great dragons. Why would he be that self explanatory to someone he just met? And again, Koji is part of the team that creates the story for the whole game, so its not like his take on things isn't valid either.

Middy even says the "Ishgard will burn" line in japanese too, so its not like he pulled that out of his bum.  :P
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 07, 2017, 04:01:10 PM
Story question, who was the emperor in 1.0?  Did he have a name, did you ever see him?  He's referenced a lot in this but it's all past tense so I have no idea who he was.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 07, 2017, 04:06:13 PM
That'd be Emperor Solus zos Galvus, tho we never actually see him in-game. He was the first Emperor of Garlemald until sometime after Gaius' defeat at the Praetorium, where he becomes ill (the reason why Garlean activity seems to die down after you beat them in 2.0) then dies of old age and is succeeded by his grandson after a civil war occurs in Garlemald (you learn about this from the doman refugees).

(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/e/e4/Ffxiv-solus-zos-galvus.png/revision/latest?cb=20130824161852)

Varis, his grandson, spitting on Solus' casket. (http://i.imgur.com/NTgEDMc.jpg)

Speaking of 1.0, since you finished Coil and are p much done with everything related to 1.0 by now, you're now free to watch both this retrospective on the 1.0 story (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZgp8mUrog) and a complete re-telling of the Binding Coil of Bahamut's story starting from 1.0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKYiat0glCQ&t=116s), to better help you fill any gaps you might have regarding those two things.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 07, 2017, 05:22:52 PM
Ok, this is crazy.  I got an email at 2:11pm that the Encyclopedia Eorzea book was back in stock, I logged in and don't have my password on me so I reset it, bought it and checked out.  Paid in Paypal.  After which at 2:19pm it goes "your email is confirmed but there's not enough stock for your order, so you'll get a email update".  Meanwhile the sale page now says waiting list or status is pending.

Year old book still selling out in 8 mins....FF fans are crazy dedicated.  I can't read it for another few months anyways until I catch up, so hopefully they'll get more stock by then but still annoying.  Looked on ebay and apparently these things go for $130-230, so probably a chunk of that are scalpers.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 07, 2017, 05:37:25 PM
That book ain't even a year old yet, it came out in October. Demand for it is craaaaaaaaaay.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 07, 2017, 05:51:22 PM
At least I'm kinda lucky in that when I catch up to 3.5 if it's still out of stock and I haven't gotten it I can just pick up the JPN version which doesn't seem to have the same stock issues.  But I'll see what happens with this pending order.

That book ain't even a year old yet, it came out in October. Demand for it is craaaaaaaaaay.

Maybe they should try printing more?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 07, 2017, 06:18:09 PM
Man, its a 300 page book that has to be printed in two different languages to supply across the globe (with two whole regions sharing one of the two) and at every event they do. I ain't gonna begrudge them for not being able to keep it constantly stocked.  :doge
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 08, 2017, 03:36:50 AM
Thought I was at the end of 2.5 so kept playing but it seems to keep going and going.  Pretty good though.  I don't think 2.4 did much for me, 2.1-2.4 all had some great moments and all of them had some boring filler.  In 2.4 riding to snowcloak from dragonhead back and forth was lame.  2.5 started kinda slow outside of Keeper of the Lake which was great, but everything around Chrysalis and onwards is good. 

That fight hmmm, because of who you are fighting in Chrysalis I sorta expected the fight to somehow be different from a standard MMO boss, and more like a KH arpg boss but I guess you can't really do that in this combat system, so it was pretty much like every other boss and just ok and easy.  I'm curious what an extreme version of the fight would look like.  Apparently it's the only trial where there isn't a hard/extreme version?  That's...weird.  Extreme versions are the versions of the fights with perfect amount of complexity, without that it's just sorta going through motions.  Oh well, there's plenty of other trials.  When I googled for an extreme version I saw threads saying apparently this used to be a hard trial for people?  I mean our tank just said "when orb phase starts run into them and alternate red/black and after first meteor DPS rift and melee use LB on it" and that basically covered the entire fight and the rest was just normal beating up boss.  We had a lvl.3 LB so once the rift appeared the other ninja in our party immediately used all 3 levels on it and it went back to the main part.

Should finish 2.5 next time I play.  Took a look and have about 8 MSQs left.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 08, 2017, 03:51:35 AM
You would be surprised at how many people just completely flounder in that trial. Like, utterly. Whether they eat too many orbs of the same type, let a lot of them get eaten by Nabriales, focus on the comets during the time freeze part instead of the rift, etc. It's a very simple trial, but there's a lot of ways to fail it that involve people in the party just not paying attention to what they're doing and fuck it up for everyone else.

A lot of that fight really falls on the tanks and healers. Nabriales will often use Double and Triple to repeatedly hit the MT with Spark, the latter of which will kill any tank if not healed/CD'd through. Then during the time inversion, I've seen way way way too many off tanks that just ignore the comets instead of tanking them, leading to very quick wipes before the rift can even be destroyed.  >:(

Pre-emptively, your next trial is one that got massively tuned down from its original release version. but this time for good reason. You'll see why.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 08, 2017, 03:59:08 AM
Well on the time inversion it seems like if you just know to use LB3 on it you get to skip that entire phase.  I mean literally the rift appeared and 5 seconds later the phase was over with a LB3 on it.  But yeah, it seems like the main challenge is tank/healer-based and it's pretty simple for DPS.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 08, 2017, 04:35:52 AM
If you can land the lb3, yeah that phase ends instantly. But the tear doesn't show up until after the first comet hits, then in the time it takes for a dps to find the tear, run up to and charge up the lb, a wipe can happen if the tanks haven't done their thing. Compound this with the /type/ of LB, cause it's possible to go into that fight without a melee lb to instantly blow it up (cause ranged takes longer to go off/does less damage).
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 08, 2017, 09:03:30 AM
I'd say when that comes up in the roulette, the party still wipes more often than not. I think it's the first non-optional trial that has complex mechanics so a lot of sprouts try to coast on it and end up wiping the team.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 08, 2017, 12:27:39 PM
I guess I got lucky since I just used df and we beat it on the first try no problems.  Don't even think anyone died.  Went real quick.  But it helped our tank explained the mechanics at the start.  Myself and one bard were new to it, the rest had done it before.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 08, 2017, 01:44:25 PM
I'm basically just treading water keeping up with Scripture Tomestones until the next patch comes out, so....

I reinstalled FFXI. Gonna power level to 99 and solo all the story content. I beta tested it back when it first came out but never finished any of the main story lines.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 08, 2017, 06:32:35 PM
You lucked out, chrysalis is the WORST.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on February 08, 2017, 06:56:43 PM
I'm basically just treading water keeping up with Scripture Tomestones until the next patch comes out, so....

I reinstalled FFXI. Gonna power level to 99 and solo all the story content. I beta tested it back when it first came out but never finished any of the main story lines.

I did this about two years ago and boy does it still take forever to travel from story quest to story quest. Definitely worth it, but I only got through the first part of Aht Urhgan before stopping.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 08, 2017, 08:31:21 PM
Well, my plans for tonight got cancelled so I guess I will be stepping foot into Foundation tonight :)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
and then stepping back out and not actually starting HW for a month or so after a break ;P
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Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 08, 2017, 09:44:24 PM
You lucked out, chrysalis is the WORST.

I'd say when that comes up in the roulette, the party still wipes more often than not. I think it's the first non-optional trial that has complex mechanics so a lot of sprouts try to coast on it and end up wiping the team.

Yeah, PT's reasoning makes sense.  I mean for me it's like if you've been doing all the side-content, Crystal Tower, Extreme primals, Bahamut, Hard version dungeon bosses, then it's like whatever and easy.  But there can people who skip all of that and just run the MSQ and this is the first time they've encountered stuff like running into alternating balls (CT had a fight like that) or dodging meteors (nothing compared to T9). 

I feel bad for anyone who skips all the side-stuff and sticks to the MSQ since all the lvl.50 side-stuff is the best parts of the game.  I think Diablo was probably my favorite lvl.50 dungeon boss.  But FF's Diablo has always been one of my favorite summon designs.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 09, 2017, 01:57:30 AM
Woooooooooow
Wow
Wooooow

:o :o :o

The end of 2.5 was amazing.  I'm glad I've been lucky enough to not see any spoilers for the MSQ.  I could see where they were going from the earlier setup but still that was masterfully done.  Felt like a Kiseki/Trails ending.  Really satisfying finale to ARR and good Ep1 ending with enough setup throughout the long game to make the coming episodes interesting.  Man, that felt like single player good rpg, not an MMO.  If the story telling and presentation can maintain that level from here on out then damn, this is gonna be good.

It's unfortunate that the last boss fight in ARR is literally the only terrible fight in the entire 250+ hours of pre-3.0 game.  That fight was so bad and boring.  It's the only fight I never want to do again and when it comes up in a roulette I'm gonna groan.  Especially since I love trial roulette and everything else is great.  Rolled Leviathon tonight for my daily and man, that is actually a really fun & cool looking  fight!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 09, 2017, 02:26:58 AM
Glad to see in the post-credit scenes that:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Rauban is still alive.  RAGE FUELED ONE-ARMED BADASS.  He was always my favorite NPC character so turning him into Guts from Berserk is cool!

Still man, I saw the Nanamo stuff coming from like 2.3/2.4 where they were hinting heavily at it and everything was dramatized and focused on her in a way that was going to happen, but that still sucked to see.  I really liked her character.  Her and Rauban were the most human and interesting.  The other city leaders are still pretty one-dimensional at this point.  RIP NANAMO  :(
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Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 09, 2017, 02:41:19 AM
So now just gonna clean up a few more pre-HW items.  Gonna do the rest of the 2.3-2.5 Hildebrand quests, Lev/Ramuh/Shiva extreme fights and finishing watching the Lancer/Dragoon job quests (I've seen through lvl.15 lancer on youtube so far).  All that is pretty quick and probably just take a few more sessions.  I'm almost tempted to get at least my mining/goldsmith up to 50 since they're almost at 35/35 already (rest of my crafters at 30 across the board, Botany is 30 as well).  That way I can have a lvl.50 crafting class to go into HW with and 2 lvl.50 gathering classes.  Up to 2.15 gil now.  It was fun passing the 2 million mark :)

But yeah, gonna wrap up some of those loose ends so I can feel like I'm "done" with ARR and then take a break for bit to play other games and then come back and blow straight through 3.0-3.x right before Stormblood comes out.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 09, 2017, 04:17:27 AM
I'm retrospect, 2.5 really delivered in MSQ.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Keeper of the lake, 2 boss fights, all the scenes surrounding Chrysalis, the Dragons taking flight, that ending.  So much good stuff in a single 5-8 hours of MSQ.  If only the rest of the ARR moved at this pace.
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Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 09, 2017, 04:17:55 AM
hit reply instead of edit  :'(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 09, 2017, 10:08:23 AM
The 3.00 MSQ is way better than ARR, imho.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 09, 2017, 10:29:18 AM
yep. hs has a smaller, more memorable cast, a more focused story, better quests. only thing i wish it had more of was some well-animated cutscenes. has a lot more than arr, but still looks like ps2-quality animation most of the time. still a fantastic game ofc. and I can never stress enough how much I love the hs maps. seriously some of the coolest maps I've ever seen in any game.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 09, 2017, 09:22:04 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/N82A1t2.jpg)

My setup right now.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 09, 2017, 09:58:39 PM
the ff11 screenshot made my eyes bleed
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on February 09, 2017, 10:40:02 PM
Told you to stick it out!

You'll like HW a lot I think.

Also, XI is the perfect second monitor with Netflix game.  :lawd
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 10, 2017, 12:28:21 AM
Just spent like 30-40 mins and did Ramuh Extreme with a pf.  We had a lot of people come and leave and many wipes until we found a winning team (the pf was for farming ponies, I passed on the ponies because after winning the Ifrit pony and trying it I'm like why the fuck do I want a pony?).  I went in blind because it said newcomers welcome and a couple people taught me the fight.  I googled on my phone after a couple of wipes and they were actually telling me the wrong things but I didn't tell them that :P  I think when people haven't done a fight in a while they forget a few of the mechanics or remember them differently.  But eventually got the hang of it and one time made it to the end alive, so pretty satisfying.

It's a neat fight, the only tough parts are keeping an eye on whose been targeted in your team so lightning off the seduction, and otherwise don't combine too many lightnings and when killing the adds it's a bit tougher with melee cause you gotta get out of the water every time a lightning comes down or your dead.

Now just gotta find a party for Lev & Shiva Extremes.

Oh and I hit i128 or i129.  The only thing missing is I have one i120 ring since I can't upgrade it to the i130 version because you can only have one at a time.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 10, 2017, 12:46:16 AM
Alright, Lev Extreme down.  Got in an unsynched WT party that went in with 5 people so it was still kinda a challenge.  The no-rails part is fucking fun.  That's a good fight but it seemed a lot easier than Ramuh Extreme.  Now just gotta find a Shiva Extreme party.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 10, 2017, 12:55:34 AM
Ramuh is probably the hardest of the 2.X Extreme trials, just because he has a lot of soft enrages that cause the fight instantly if you hurt him too much too fast, which is the bane of every unsynced WT party. Levi is mostly just killing the wavetide adds before they make you fall off/not getting knocked off yourself.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 10, 2017, 01:13:31 AM
At level 50, i130 Ramuh was the only trial you couldn't just face roll.  With orb management, tank swapping, main tank rotating the boss during adds phase and tethers in final phase it was the primal that required the most coordination either through voice chat or through callout macros.  I still have my Ramuh main tank macros "DPS Clean up orbs!!!"  "Leave orbs for tanks!!"  Now all those mechanics can totally be ignored and the only thing that really causes party wipes is DPSing Ramuh too fast before you kill the adds... I mean, leaving DoTs up during that phase is usually enough to cause a wipe.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 10, 2017, 01:16:46 AM
XI is the perfect second monitor with Netflix game.  :lawd

I can actually play both games at the same time pretty well.  Farming some Huge Wasps for Bee Pollen in XI while waiting for a Party Finder to fill up in XIV to complete Wondrous Tails.
Also, although the population isn't nearly what it used to be, XI is still very much alive.  In fact, I had to log off early tonight because they're doing a version update tonight to add new content!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 10, 2017, 04:22:46 PM
So on Second Coil Savage, are there new patterns to learn?  Or did they just modify the stats (hp, damage, etc...)?  I doubt I'll ever play it either way since no one plays it, but if there was new stuff to it I'll probably youtube the guides for the stages when they came out to see what it was like.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 10, 2017, 10:41:59 PM
Kinda? You do require different strategies to tackle them cause they don't go down the same way, since some of them have entire mechanics that got srubbed out before releasing it to the public. Second Coil Savage is basically the easliest working version before they fine tuned it to actually be clearable by people
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 10, 2017, 11:13:22 PM
Just logged in and checked my retainers and fuck, I sold like 300k of stuff!  2.6 million :)
No idea what I'm saving up towards or what point is a "safe" point to stop saving and have enough gil for endgame, but will keep putting a ton on sale every night before I log out.

I guess if I hit 10 million+ I can probably buy a house from someone, especially after SB comes out and there are more houses on the market?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 10, 2017, 11:39:22 PM
remember that you lose your house if you don't visit it every few months, so it's only worth getting if you plan to stay subbed long-term. also what are you doing to get so much money so fast?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 10, 2017, 11:53:15 PM
I sell stuff from vendors across the world for like 2-4x.  I keep note of what items sell for 3-10x and go for that.  Also when I'm crafting sometimes I'll run across materials you can't buy/harvest and you have to craft yourself, these usually go for a lot on the MB, like 2-4k, so I craft a whole bunch and sell them in batches.

I follow the markets pretty closely though.  Like I try selling every item I get in the game and see what goes for a lot and then I see if there's a quick way to get lots of those and sell them.  I'd be more specific but I dunno who is reading this since a couple of my big markets with iron ingots and marlins have totally tanked due to flooded markets.  Marlins went from 250k to 20k ><  Iron Ingots were selling 40k for 99 and now sell for maybe 8-9k for 99 and the cost is like 6k so there's not much profit anymore.  I can pm you some specific items on hyperion that go for a lot and are easy money.


Also, CUL is a pain in the ass to level after like lvl.20 or 25.  Every other crafter you need a couple of materials you go gather them.  CUL every recipe has like 5-8 items and half of them have to be crafted from low level items and it takes forever to make a goddamn pie.  CUL was one of my first crafting classes and ahead of the others, now it's basically last place and at most I buy my turn-ins for the day cause making them is a pain in the butt.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 12, 2017, 03:47:21 AM
Finished the last ARR Hildebrand quest.  The whole series of quests were...cute.  Some funny bits, and the 2nd Gilgamesh fight was legit exciting good.  Ultros fight kinda sucked/was annoying and the stories were alright.

So now if HW didn't exist, I'd be done with every "+" substantial quest outside:

-Beast tribes
-Postmaster quests
-All job quests
-Zodiac weapon quest (no thanks)

Beast tribes I do here and there but now that they're left, thinking about it they're kinda shit design?  I mean forcing you to keep redoing a handful of the same basic quests over and over to get to the next real quest is a terrible design concept.  With Ixali it's fine because I just use the turn in quest to get some extra crafter xp, but with the other beast tribes I've done the intial quests all once and...I have no desire to do them a bunch more times, get to the next level, then do the next 3 quests a bunch of times.  Meh, I'll probably slowly go through these along the way and maybe one day when I'm caught up I'll finish them all, but no rush.

Postmaster Quests I've got to rank 5 or 6 now and I really like them.  Since I still plan to log in daily to do my GC turn-ins I'll probably do my turn-ins and then do a postmaster quest or two.  Probably will finish them all before I start HW.

So yeah, around 290 hours now, will hit lvl.55 when I do the trial roulette tomorrow (just need a tiny more xp), up to around 3.4-3.5 million gil, i129, ~150k MGP.  Feels like a pretty good place to take a break.  I'm watching Lancer/Dragoon job quests on youtube and up to Lancer lvl.25 so making my way through that prior to HW and everytime I've done a boss I've been watching the guide videos afterwards so the next time I do the fights I know what I'm doing.  It's fun getting back into fights in the trial roulette and this time I'm helping people out.  Like I got Titan (hard) today and along with a couple of others I helped carry the team.

Also for some reason Cape Highwind comes up A LOT on trial roulette.  I guess that makes sense since people are going through the story and need teams for it.

Oh and tomorrow my adventurer squad will FINALLY meet the stats do succeed on the lvl.40 quest and unlock the 41-60 quests.  Will be satisfying since this took fucking forever! 

I'd jump in party finders more often for fun just to do cool fights/coils but so many people put an average ilevel requirement on pfs for coil/extreme unsync and they're all going off lvl.60 item levels so it's like i225 required.  Blah.  Also I saw a pf that said "unsync clear run - NO WT" and that makes no sense to me. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on February 12, 2017, 02:12:44 PM
I've never viewed the Beast Tribe stuff as anything more than something to grind while people wait on new content. XIV isn't the best at that kind of content. I've heard there's a neat questline or two at the end of ARR's Beast Tribes, but no thanks.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 12, 2017, 05:46:19 PM
I've done a few of them and the stories are fine but nothing special. tbh the best reason to finish them is bc you'll get access to some nice mid-level crafting stuff. the tribes in hw are better bc you only need to do three max a day instead of up to 9 in arr, and flying makes them much easier. honestly I wouldn't have bothered with any of them except I was leveling different classes.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 12, 2017, 06:26:54 PM
just remembered the arr beat tribes only gave out like 5 progress points for each quest at the starting rank until like summer of 16. that was the other main reason I didn't touch them.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 12, 2017, 06:37:18 PM
now they give 10 :(

150 points just to rank 2  :-\
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 12, 2017, 06:46:49 PM
Not just 5 points, you only had like 6 allowances per day. It was /really/ limited.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 12, 2017, 06:51:48 PM
Maybe they were trying to save people, who wants to do more than 6 beast tribe quests a day  :doge  :'(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 12, 2017, 06:53:52 PM
It's kinda a shame because from what I've seen at the start (and further into the Ixali one) I do like the real questlines for each tribe.  Does a nice job giving them character.  Just a shame it's a boring grind between.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 12, 2017, 07:50:47 PM
Anyhow, been listening to the 2.0-2.1 OST and 2.2-2.5 OSTs and here's my favorite tracks from 2.0-2.5!  One of these days I need to make a playlist of just this stuff since there's like a billion songs in between the ones I love on the osts (but it's all pretty solid):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz7K7u47Wls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTzQbiNooMA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-M-aN1cFdo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x02dgGFhkLQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLRcuojE7Pc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqJRnD5HuZw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhHNbigmNhU
(2nd half guitar is fine, but the vocals are pretty bad)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HydzCxbzXGU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG-BIMPtC9k

and of course, Answer is an excellent FF title theme song that harkens backs to the FF8-10 days of great vocal core themes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-VJbyPX2a4

I know a lot of people like the Shiva theme and on its own it's a good TWEWY song, but I'm not a huge fan of stuff that doesn't fit.  Like the jrock song in the Shiva battle would be great in a game like TWEWY but it feels really out of place in a medieval fantasy game boss fight against an ice primal.

Ramuh's theme is similar in that it's totally different vibe and feels like a 1990s anime song by Yoko Kanno, but to me that fits because that kind of stuff would go to fantasy anime like Escaflowne.  Also I think without a doubt at this point Ramuh's theme is the best boss battle song.

Also Battle on the Big Bridge is fantastic, but it's just battle on the big bridge which is always one of the best FF battle themes.  Coil as good music but there's no track in particular that sticks out to me like the Crystal Tower themes.  They're all good though, especially the arrangements of Answers.


Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 12, 2017, 11:12:39 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Dt35Qje.jpg)

ffuuuuuuck adventurer squad  :maf :maf :maf
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 13, 2017, 02:48:57 AM
So as I'm getting gil I'm realizing that A) I have zero interest in Vanity outside my headpiece and I'm fine with just a pair of glasses (I mean if I get some armor that is fugly I'll change it with glamor), B) I have zero interest in buying a house or decorating, my private room is completely empty still outside a bed and a desk with two planter pots, so basically uh I have no use for gil.

Like I keep saving up because it's easy, so if I pop on and see something sold for 10x the price, I'll go buy another batch of 99 and put it back up.  But, not really sure what my long game is.  If I have tons of money can I skip the scrip grind and just buy gear?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 13, 2017, 09:54:21 AM
hrmmm.. you could buy some nice stuff from the mb, or get a crafter to make you some good stuff. not sure how hi the ilvl on that would be tho, bc I think the current best gear is untradeable stuff from raids.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 13, 2017, 10:18:27 AM
Current max item level is 270.  You can purchase crafted i250 gear from the marketboard if you have tons of gil
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 13, 2017, 10:45:33 AM
wait max is only 270 now? what's up with all the trolls that use party finder set to min ilvl 300?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 13, 2017, 11:12:19 AM
wait max is only 270 now? what's up with all the trolls that use party finder set to min ilvl 300?

they're either trolls or dumb.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 13, 2017, 11:16:27 AM
Current max item level is 270. 

* the weapons from Creator Savage are i275 and we anticipate one more step in the relic quest to upgrade the relic to i275 before Stormblood.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 13, 2017, 10:39:12 PM
Hmmm, the rewards for the lvl.40+ missions in adventurer squad are alright.  Like getting 5 survival manuals for a 2,000 seals mission or 5 crafting manuals is decent since I actually use those when I'm leveling gatherers/crafters outside of just GC dailies to get the +50%

But yeah, was totally not worth it.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 13, 2017, 10:42:59 PM
Current max item level is 270.  You can purchase crafted i250 gear from the marketboard if you have tons of gil

So theoretically if I hit lvl.60 by whatever part in the MSQ requires you to grind scrips a bit to get i180 to move forward I can just buy i250 gear (or cheaper i180-250 gear).  Hmmm, like since I'm already lvl 55 should I start buying gear off the mb or should I wait until I start HW because I can buy lvl 55 gear from NPCs for cheap?

Have about 4 million gil now.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 13, 2017, 11:37:11 PM
Got it.  Yeah took a look at the market board and until lvl.60 the equipment isn't much better than what I have on right now at i129.  But once I hit 60, looking at the prices I can definitely gear out up to i180 no problem by spending maybe 2 million.  Can even buy a i250 weapon if I want.  This is good, means if I ever get to a spot where I need to grind I can just spend my gil instead and skip the grinding up through mid 200s.

And yeah, the only time I use gil is for mats for my crafters so far.

I'll try not to gain too much more xp before starting HW so I'm not overleveled too much.  Then again I've never found any of the single player combat scenarios good, they always seem junk and sometimes you lose because your npcs are fucking dumb.  Combat should be saved for mp.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 13, 2017, 11:48:39 PM
I think my biggest incentive for getting caught up is just to be able to instantly join in a party finder for fun battles & loot.  Because as is, I'm locked out of 80% of the parties since they're HW battles and the other 20% that are ARR Extreme bosses or Coil stages, 80% of those are average item level locked at 220 or higher so I can't even get in those which sucks.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 14, 2017, 02:33:06 PM
lol, just got an email with early access code for Stormblood, code doesn't work on registration site  >:(

What's the point of early access anyhow?  Does it let you play through the entire game's MSQ before the game even comes out?  Or is it just like access to roaming around the map?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 14, 2017, 05:42:27 PM
I'll try not to gain too much more xp before starting HW so I'm not overleveled too much.  Then again I've never found any of the single player combat scenarios good, they always seem junk and sometimes you lose because your npcs are fucking dumb.  Combat should be saved for mp.

Don't stop leveling. The HW MSQ dungeons and battles and job quest battles will level-sync you appropriately so you won't be able to faceroll them.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 14, 2017, 06:41:40 PM
lol, just got an email with early access code for Stormblood, code doesn't work on registration site  >:(

What's the point of early access anyhow?  Does it let you play through the entire game's MSQ before the game even comes out?  Or is it just like access to roaming around the map?

There's an early access period where players who pre-ordered can play the full expansion before the official launch date. I did all of HW's MSQ before it actually came out during its early access.  :lol

(I did like a 24hour marathon tho, something I def can't do anymore)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 14, 2017, 07:19:01 PM
Isn't that kinda bs though?  Because then the people who do that will be ahead of all the rest of the players. 

How early do early access periods start?  Like for HW?  Is it like you get the game 3 days early?  Or is it like you get the game a month early?  I guess I gotta figure on finishing 3.5 before that starts!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 14, 2017, 07:34:00 PM
Well, sort of. Early access players get a leg up on the MSQ and shit, but for Heavensward, the new endgame raid wasn't made available until like a week or two after launch. So you won't get "ahead" on anything too important~

Heavensward EA started on June 19 at 2:00 a.m. (PDT), while the proper release was on June 23. In a way, its also a stress test so they fix any unexpected bugs, adjust server load and make any fixes necessary before the full floodgates open. Heavensward actually had multiple instanced zones (like say, having multiple versions of Coerthas Central Highlands to actually let people get into Heavensward without the server crashing) to acomodate all the players at the same time, so I expect the same thing to happen for Stormblood.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 14, 2017, 07:44:09 PM
It's one of the benefits of pre-ordering.  Also, if you're pre-ordering a physical copy, they won't ship it to you until the day it releases generally.  So the early access code lets you play until your physical copy arrives and you activate that code.

For Heavensward early access lasted four days before the official release.  I think I finished HW's MSQ before early access was up.  My FC was pretty hardcore back then and most of us powered through.  My FC had teams get world 3rd Bismark EX and world 5th Ravana EX clears... all before early access was up.

I don't really see how early access is BS just because it allows you to be ahead of the rest of the players.  It doesn't give you a competitive advantage.  HW PvP wasn't released with 3.0, and when it was released, the level cap was i150 so any early start you got didn't matter.  Other than the two extreme primals, there was no raid tier at launch and no weekly-locked-out tomes.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 14, 2017, 08:06:01 PM
so is early access for everyone that pre orders? bc I haven't done that yet
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 14, 2017, 08:34:55 PM
Get to it then!  :punch
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 14, 2017, 08:42:46 PM
square got me hooked on their overpriced collector's editions and I need to scrape some extra cash together before I can afford this one!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 14, 2017, 09:15:01 PM
Just realized my Encyclopedia Eorza order from a week ago is still pending...but they took my money since I paid through PP.  Not sure if I should leave it and hopefully when they get their next stock in it'll automatically fill out of that order, or if I should cancel it... hmmm....
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 14, 2017, 09:23:52 PM
they'll ship it when they make more. same thing happened to me; i emailed a week after they took my money and they said to hold tight till they send me a tracking number. took... three weeks to get it after I paid, I think?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 14, 2017, 09:55:41 PM
So I had to work from home today because I was dealing with some insurance stuff over the phone and I had long periods of waiting for calls or being on hold so since I couldn't do much else I played FFXIV and there wasn't much to do prior to noon GC turn-ins so I did the first HW quest and got into Ishgard.  City seems nice, but now there's a zillion things to do so I'm like nope, and back to just doing my GC dailies and postmaster quests for now.  If I start on HW proper and do my Ninja/Fishing quests, start Dark Knight, MSQ, etc... never gonna get to any other games for another 100-200 hours.

they'll ship it when they make more. same thing happened to me; i emailed a week after they took my money and they said to hold tight till they send me a tracking number. took... three weeks to get it after I paid, I think?

Great, this is what I was hoping would happen :)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 14, 2017, 11:01:32 PM
Damn, why do some orchestration rolls go for 1gil and others for insane amounts?  I joined a random PF the other day for Turn 5 to help someone out and I got the music roll.  Turned out it was going for 500-600k and I just logged on and I sold mine for 575k or something :o  I'm like 1 item sale away from 5 million gil now.

Also sold a drop from Ramuh extreme for like 70k last week.  Seems like joining party finders for extreme/coil can bring in some $$$ quick
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 14, 2017, 11:32:58 PM
Basically cause some scrolls drop pretty much every time the content gets done, while others like T5/9/12/13's are actually fairly rare drops.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 15, 2017, 12:45:46 AM
Anything worth buying at the poetics trade in after your i130 and don't need carbontwine/coats?  Starting to rack up a bunch of poetics from party finder or daily trials.  If not I guess I can stock up on twine/coats for future characters.

Also if someone says accepting reasonable offers on a house, what are they talking about these days?  Is 2 million too low for a reasonable offer?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 15, 2017, 09:15:43 PM
Fuck it, maybe gonna start playing through HW tonight.  Idk, hard to get back to other games when I'm still logging in each day and doing daily GC turn-ins and random pfs.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: bluemax on February 16, 2017, 12:16:31 AM
Tempted to buy this on PS4 even though I have it on PC because I almost never want to sit at my PC after work.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 16, 2017, 01:37:09 PM
Buying expensive top level gear now is kind of silly. SB will be a soft reset gear wise. I was gathering a bit and saw the hassle of getting the turn in gear and NOPE. looked at MB gear and it's like 1mil/piece. You'll likely get better just leveling on to 70.

Played a good but these past few weeks, scrip would be only upgrade on most everything. Still need to finish Alex final and do void ark series, after that AM likely pretty much done till SB unless I go in on another job or something.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 16, 2017, 03:03:47 PM
Buying expensive top level gear now is kind of silly. SB will be a soft reset gear wise. I was gathering a bit and saw the hassle of getting the turn in gear and NOPE. looked at MB gear and it's like 1mil/piece. You'll likely get better just leveling on to 70.

So I'm wondering when I get to HW endgame if it makes more sense at this point to wait until SB comes out and then do HW endgame in the first month SB is out when gearing out for HW endgame is suddenly made 10x quicker.

For now will just keep saving up money.  The one nice thing about being over 5 million gil I'm less penny pinching on buying small stuff when it's helpful.  Like 17k for 250 earth crystals because I just hit 0?  Sure?  Spending 50k on Alumen so I can turn all my skins into leathers when needed?  Sure.  Need an ingredient to finish cooking my daily turn in and it's 3k?  Sure.  Stuff under like 20k doesn't phase me anymore.  I'm guessing the people buying my 99 stacks for like 150k feel the same way because they're at like 50 million+ or something and 150k is nothing to them (150k is still a lot to me!)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 16, 2017, 04:19:47 PM
I'd save that Gil. Going into a new SB with lots of gil is going to be better than going in with crafted 250 gear. The newest 24-man raid gives you a 260 piece once a week for free.it also drops an item to upgrade Scripture gear to 270.  If they do what they did before HW, they'll drop that weekly lockout and let you farm those drops before SB releases.

You can get a full i235 gear set and weapon if you do one evening's worth if PVP farming for Wolf Marks.. The Garo PvP gear is super cheap. That's the item level you need to get into Dun Scaith (the newest 24-man raid). You can also get free 250 by turning in drops from Alexander Creator Normal Mode (this used to have a weekly lockout but no more). In the process you'll be getting enough Scripture tomes to get some 260 pieces.  I think spending a million+ gil on outdated crafted gear is a mistake.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 16, 2017, 05:29:55 PM
I would not recommend getting pvp gear for pve use. It's PVP gear for a reason: it doesnt have any accuracy because PVP doesn't use that stat. You'll be missing 90% of your attacks otherwise.

You don't need to buy gear with gil because HW has 50 thousand ways to gear up that aren't locked behind wait timers. Just play as you like.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 16, 2017, 05:35:42 PM
Found my long term glamour for Monk thanks to the Dun Scaith chest. Instantly assembled a set for it.

(http://i.imgur.com/dzPVTcy.jpg?1)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 16, 2017, 06:28:35 PM
If I was a monk or scholar, I'd always be rolling Moogle Glooves or Moogle Book because they are amazing.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 16, 2017, 09:28:09 PM
I would not recommend getting pvp gear for pve use. It's PVP gear for a reason: it doesnt have any accuracy because PVP doesn't use that stat. You'll be missing 90% of your attacks otherwise.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.gif)

Well, mostly wrong anyway.

Although PvP gear does not have accuracy, PvP does have accuracy requirements.  PvP accuracy cap is low but around 30-50 above the base stat.  Most plays will need at least two accessories with accuracy for PvP.  This will also give you enough accuracy to do all the Expert Dungeons as well as all the 24-man raids.  The i235 from the new Garo crossover event PvP gear will also allow you to meet the minimum iLevel to get into Dun Scaith, which drops i260 gear (many pieces of which DO have accuracy).  You'll definitely want more accuracy when you start doing the Savage raids and the Extreme Primals of Heavensward.

I use my best-in-slot PvP gear set (all Crit/Det, no Skill Speed, and only two PvE accessories with accuracy) for anytime I roulette into level-synced content.  Minimal (but enough) accuracy, all Crit/Det, no Skill Speed... makes me a beast at level-synced content.  I also use this gear set when running Heavensward's Aethereochemical Research Facility and Great Gubal Library (Normal Mode) since although they do not level-sync you, they item-level-sync you to i180 and i150 respectively and have very low accuracy requirements. I never miss, even as tank.

Do you want to meet the i235 iLvl requirement to get into Dun Scaith and start getting i260 gear the same day you turn hit level 60?
Do you want to do this without spending millions of gil on the market board?
You can get a full i235 Garo set in one evening by doing PvP.
You'll eventually get rid of some pieces and want to get up to accuracy cap for the ex primals and Savage, but some of the PvP pieces will basically be best-in-slot for level-synced (and some item-level-synced) content.

HW does allow for multiple ways to gear up though.  Just trying to save you some time and gil.  But play how you want.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 16, 2017, 09:52:32 PM
So "accuracy doesn't matter in PVP".  :P

I've never really bothered to check for acc requirements for raids or dungeons cause I only ever use pve gear. It must have gotten adjusted at some point, cause I know there was a patch or two where I used to miss when doing the new tier of dungeons. Still wouldn't recommend it for him as to not pulverize the dungeons he does as a newbie, like he did with the 2.X fights.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 16, 2017, 10:10:09 PM
If I recall correctly, they lowered dungeon acc caps in HW at some point because healers were all accuracy-starved with the then-current gear and couldn't DPS for shit in dungeons.

As you said, there are tons of ways to gear up.  I enjoy PvP.  And the Garo gear, in addition to being cheap, is fun for glamour. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 17, 2017, 12:12:04 AM
just do frontline roulettes. you get so many wolf marks from each round that you'll have a full outfit in like under two weeks.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 17, 2017, 12:56:37 AM
Played a bit of HW, explored around Falcon's Nest.  It's good but a little different than I expected.  I thought being an expansion, new worldmap it'd be like totally different from the very start.  Like I thought Foundation was just the base and Ishgard itself was in the sky, so I thought once you left Foundation you'd be flying around in majestic sky world.  But it's like just the same aesthetic as Coerthas, snow/ice/medieval.  I'm guessing Dravania will be different and unique.  Music is great so far though.

Also did the first Ninja lvl.50 quest and was kinda bummed the lvl.50 quests don't give any new moves and just unlock the HW job storyline.  But I guess since you got moves at lvl.50 already in ARR it sorta makes sense.  The lvl.52 smoke bomb quest move seems kinda lame.  Looking forward to getting something new that I'll actually use and will change up my rotation.

Also started the Dark Knight quest, did the job unlock.  Yeah, starting jobs at lvl.30 is so much better than lvl.1 since instead of like 1-3 moves over and over you start with like 12 moves and a decent rotation.  I gotta imagine starting at lvl.50 with the SB jobs will be neat starting at a full lvl.50 rotation with no prior work.  Otoh it's kinda weird that new jobs start 20 levels below where HW story starts.  Like if you walked into HW and thought "hey I want to be a Dark Knight as my main" you'd have to stop, level grind for 20-30 hours to lvl.50 and then you could play the HW MSQ as the new job.  Like I sorta feel the new jobs should start at the level of the first MSQ for an expansion.  Like even though these new jobs may be cool, I don't see myself touching them until I'm caught up on MSQ so I'll just keep sticking with my ninja so I can play the MSQ.

Thinking about it, doesn't this kinda fuck up the job variety/popularity on a server?  I mean outside your main starting job, once you get to HW or SB and you have 5 jobs that cover the 3 gameplay types that start at lvl.30 or lvl.50, if you're feeling like picking up a 2nd or 3rd combat job why would you ever want to pick a job that starts at lvl.1?  I mean if I want to heal I'll just use the lvl.30 healer rather than my lvl.15 conjurer since it saves me a bunch of time and is more fun off the bat.  Even with Tanks it's like I have my Paladin at lvl.38 but if I backtrack just a little I can start a Dark Knight at lvl.30 which isn't that far behind and actually has a tank stance while my Paladin still doesn't! (since they get it at 40).  Just feels like the new jobs kill incentives to start up an original job.  If they go ahead and kill the class system and let you jump into any ARR lvl.30 job at some point that will totally fix this.  I'm not sure how they'd be able to do it since the lvl.1-30 stories tie into the lvl.30-50 job stories slightly.

Also I'm a little disappointed at the lack of voice acting.  I was really happy with 2.2-2.5 how they kept making more and more of the MSQ fully voiced to the point where in 2.5 almost every scene in the MSQ is fully voiced.  I kinda thought that meant they had more budget and everything from that point on for MSQ would be fully voiced outside minor quests.  But like in HW the opening quest was voiced and since then nothing has been voiced.  Just makes the story telling much less dramatic imo.  One of the reasons why I really enjoyed 2.5's MSQ and got into it was all the voice acting.  Maybe at some point like Stormblood they'll have the budget to voice pretty much the whole MSQ?  I'm not even asking for 75% of the 10,000s of lines of text in the game to by voiced, just the MSQ would be 100% acceptable for me (although it'd be cool to have VA in job quests...)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 17, 2017, 03:12:27 AM
Voice acting is great but expensive. Believe me, there is voice acting during the parts that matter, specially as you get into it.

Class balance isn't messed up because leveling 1-30 past your first job is super trivial and there's tons of ways to do it.  :P I know people who got DRK/MCH/ASTRO to level 50 the very day HW dropped just to be able to do the story with those jobs. Where there's a will, there's a way.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 17, 2017, 03:58:34 AM
Isn't the fastest way PoTD floor 1-10?  You get 1/3rd a level in 10-15 mins.  So 60 runs = around 15 hours to quick grind one job 30-50?

1-15 takes about 2 hours, 15-30 probably takes about 5 hours.

It's all doable, but it's all a grind.  The 30 hours to get a second character to 50 is 30 hours you could've played through an entire single player rpg.

Anyhow, I finished watching the Dragoon job quest through 50 and it's weird because it doesn't really sync up with Einstein's scenes in 2.5.  If you did the Dragoon job quest through 50 does the 2.5 scene with Einstein's introduction play out differently?  Because if it doesn't it totally would not make any sense.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 17, 2017, 04:01:08 AM
Also VA isn't that expensive.  I bet it's more of a time issue with the multi-language release schedule.  Lots of crappy low budget Idea Factor or NIS games have full voice acting.  Hell, Cold Steel has more VA than FF14 at this point.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 17, 2017, 07:39:37 AM
doing the dragoon quests only changes a few lines to show that Estinien knows you. it's pretty weird;it seems like the one storyline I've seen that doesn't match up with later content. it just doesn't make much sense having you become an azure dragoon too.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 17, 2017, 11:27:12 AM
Palace of the Dead is only one way to level up (and its not a good one, because it doesn't teach you how to actually use your job in a dungeon/trial setting), and it didn't even exist before a few patches ago. Between challenge logs, roulettes, exp manuals, FATEs, increased xp gain in general, the armoury system, and the many accessories that boost xp gain before level 30, getting a job to 30 is utterly trivial once you know what you're doing. Yes, it'll take hours. But then, anything in any video game ever has a time requirement, so that's not exactly a good argument. Time spent leveling my other jobs that I can then use to play with friends is more valuable to me than playing another game.

I would not look at the voice acting in Idea Factory/NIS/Kiseki games where a large amount of the budget DOES go to VA due to them playing up "we got so and so popular VA to voice our game!" as an argument for it not being expensive in general, specially with some of those games having partial dubs.  :doge

Estinien's story from the drg quests matches up fine. He gets beat up at the end of the 50 questline (with Alberic himself mentioning that he's still alive), flees back to Ishgard to recover, then pops back up when re-introduced during 2.5 no longer under the Eye's control. There being two Azure Dragoons is also fine:

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The Azure Dragoon is a dragoon that is capable of utilizing the power of Nidhogg's eye: a vessel of power with a will of its own that is capable of choosing who it will grant its power to, with Alberic being chosen for that position before Estinien. The Eye chooses whoever it deems most powerful/capable of fully utilizing its power.

When you first meet run into Estinien, the Eye sees the Warrior of Light and decides that he/she is also a capable vessel for its power. Which doesn't make much sense initially, until a certain revelation in Heavensward:
Bebpo Spoiler:
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The fact that there are two Eyes in existence, one whom chose Estinien, and the other who chose the WoL.
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Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 17, 2017, 11:41:42 AM
it more seems odd to me because the azure dragoon is a high-ranking and well-known position in Ishgard. they're like the leader of their special forces basically. they're also entrusted with one of the city's most important relics. yet WoL comes along and they're like "sure the positions yours! great job!" to someone that isn't even allowed into the city. doesn't seem to make sense, especially considering how much Ishgard stresses status and tradition.

/nerd
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 17, 2017, 12:24:53 PM
I mean, its not like they have much of a say. Ishgard has that position in high reverence, but The Eye of Nidhogg chose the WoL to be an Azure Dragoon, it's not like they can impose rules on an ancient dragon artifact.  :lol

Also, they aren't entrusted with shit. The reason Estinien has the Eye in the first place is cause he stole it.  :wag
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 17, 2017, 01:07:53 PM
true. thinking back on it, i thought it was weird that the trials in the dragoon quest were too easy that it seemed ridiculous that that was all someone had to do to be the azure dragoon, but in the context of the msq it works better.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 17, 2017, 02:31:54 PM
Eh, still feels like a pain in the butt to me (I started Lancer the other day and got through lvl.6 or 7 in like 45 mins doing hunting log and it was boring and lost motivation to keep at it).  Healer hunting logs are the worst, but I guess you can buy the respec potion and respec your chocobo as an attacker to help do real damage.  My chocobo after like 200 hours is still only lvl.4 (I bring him out everytime I fight on the overworld) and has no attacking/tanking abilities since cure is #4 on healer and that was what I needed the most as DPS. 

But maybe someday I'll grind those afternoons.  Would be nice to have all of the jobs at lvl.30+ so I never have to do the boring 1-30 shit again.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 17, 2017, 03:46:47 PM
Yeah I know all that since I ran it all when I was leveling my Gladiator as my alt.  Roulettes each day, hunting log complete, clear every dungeon/guildheist for the first time.  Then when you're done with all that it's either grind Fates or PoTD until you hit 50. 

It's not terrible and the game gives you a good amount of options, but it still isn't really "fun" and is a waste of time.  The sooner they let you jump into any lvl.30 job off the bat, the better.  1-30 as a healer for instance is fucking awful.  STONE...STONE...STONE :(

Anyhow, the endgame for Adventurer Squadron fucking sucks.  You can only do 1 of the lvl.40 quests per week, your max level for each character is lvl.50 and on top of that the rewards are kinda shit from the lvl.40 quests (like the survival manuals for gathering/crafting aren't even the +50% ones, they're the +20% ones come the fuck on).  Only good thing I guess is that the team chemistry means they do stuff like bring back 9 pieces of decent level materia if I send them on a mission.  Otherwise this whole grind of getting to this point has been a total waste :|

Also, noticed I'm sitting at 100 leves max again.  Time to do a bunch of trade ins for my crafters this weekend I guess.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 17, 2017, 04:39:50 PM
I'd take grinding 1-30 any day of the week over grinding 30-50. now THAT is a shitty grind. there's a bunch of items you can get that make the class grinding go by fairly quick. but 30-50 it's fucking roulettes and fate grinding in coerthas/n thanalan AGAIN. fuck that shit so hard. really hope there's some kind of bonus for those 20 levels that comes with sb.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 18, 2017, 01:08:26 AM
Got my crafters/gathers to 30+ across the board now and Goldsmith up to 41, miner at 36.  I think I'm gonna try to get all of them to lvl.50 pretty soon.  Feels like with levequests if I spent a weekend grinding for 20-30 hours I could get them all to 50.  Then if I just use the XP from GC turn-ins until SB should be able to get them all to 60 before SB comes out.  Would be nice to go into SB with a lvl.60 Ninja and lvl.60 all crafters/gathers.  Then once I get them to 70 I can start working on other battle classes.

I kinda want to get main combat & crafters to max level before working on additional battle classes.  Eventually I'll catch up on MSQ, catch up on levels and then it'll be a good time to play around with battle classes getting them all to max level.  At some point might get burnt out though.

Like sometimes I wonder why I'm spending 100-200 hours leveling all the crafters/gathers to 50/60, like what am I getting out this?  And I think maybe I'm just leveling things for leveling sake like my adventurer squad -_-
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 18, 2017, 04:41:01 AM
It got you!   :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 18, 2017, 05:21:36 AM
I think people forget over time how terrible the 1-15 is.  I just spent almost 2 hours getting my Lancer from lvl.6->14.  This is with +30xp ring, +20%xp hat, +3% xp food, +50% resting bonus, +100% armory bonus.

Hunting log rank 1 done, took me through lvl.9, did 4 or so battleleves to get to lvl.10, both Guildheists + entire hunting log rank 2 done outside the last 3 entries got me to...lvl.12 and the last 3 entries being lvl.18-20 even with all HQ gear I crafted + accuracy food can't hit them as the level spread is a bit too much gotta come back at lvl.15 for them.  So what's left at this point at lvl.12 is battleleves...which all have shit xp payout, lvl.12-13 is 23k xp, lvl.13-14 is 26k xp and lvl.10 leves at bentbranch on max +4 difficulty only pay out about 5k xp, so after 10-15 minutes of leves or so hit lvl.13, then another 10-15 mins of leves hit lvl.14 and at this point I'm logging out for the night.

At least once you hit 15 you get multiple guildheists and a dungeon.  Once you hit 20 you've got a handful of dungeons/guildheists and rank 3 hunting log.

But 1-15 is just awful.  You can do it in a night but it's like a full entire dedicated 4-5 hour night session or 2 nights of regular couple hour sessions...and it's not fun at all (Lancer 1-15 rotation is so boring).

Thankfully after I hit lvl.15 on Lancer only have 2 jobs left under 15, Archer & Arcanist.  If I bite the bullet and grind those to 15 then I'll never have to do this lvl.1-15 shit again, which would be nice.  If 15-30 isn't bad I might bring all my battle jobs up to 30 before I get further in HW.  Will try it out with Lancer first (since I need to get to 34 anyhow to get B4B for my Ninja) and see how 15-34 is.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 18, 2017, 05:32:47 AM
Also new job is Samurai and it's a...DPS?  Ugh, now I gotta juggle between Ninja & Samurai for my DPS.  Guess I will main Dark Knight for my Tank and Astrologian for my Healer.  I mean having a sword slashing heavy hitting focused DPS class sounds good as it's kinda missing, but Samurai is also kinda a bulky armored tankish job so hmmm.

But yeah queues gonna get worse for sure since more people playing DPS and fewer people playing tank/healer.  Would be a good time to try to main a tank/healer through the MSQ. 

Doma is cool though.  Looks nice.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on February 18, 2017, 09:47:38 AM
That's very odd. I thought Samurai was a lock for Tank.

Guess they're just gonna try to focus on making the existing tanks and healers more appealing, but this will definitely increase queue times.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 18, 2017, 10:32:10 AM
I can't believe we get a whole new continent omfg i figured we'd never actually be able to visit Doma holy jeez I'm so pumped
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 18, 2017, 01:43:47 PM
looks pretty good, hype for sky 2.0  :hyper

I was in Vegas last October and on a Saturday wife and I were going to some craft brew thing at the cosmo we were invited to. found out around noon it was canceled due to high winds in the area, so we figured we'd walk around and drink while looking for something else to do.

walking into the Paris casino I saw....a MOOGLE. started to notice cat ears on people and kids wearing fan fest labelled drawstrings and got a bit hype. was not really playing at the time, had no idea it was same weekend we were going to be in. stopped at a machine and looked at the event on phone, was sad to see it was completely sold out.

we people watched for a bit and went on through the walkway to bally's. there were a lot of people there for it (pretty easy to spot), but most were in groups and I didn't feel like interrupting anyone.

after grabbing a drink, were about to head over to the Cromwell when saw a guy just kind of chilling. I asked him if they announced the expansion, and he said they had and we chatted for a bit. I mentioned how cool it was and that I didn't even know it was going on, bummed it was sold out, etc. Turned out he had to leave early, and gave me his lanyard and pass so I could at least check it a bit! Wife wasn't thrilled but it was still pretty early in day so she indulged me and said I was fine to go for a few hours.

finished drink with wife, grabbed another then went over to check it out.

there weren't a ton of people in as it was kind of in between events.  there was a fat chocobo statue in the entryway, and a giant one people were lining up to ride on/get their picture taken. there was a big screen for the presentations, it was PVP championships or something. tons of lans set up on almost 1/4 of the room, didn't really see what that was all about. lots of great cosplayers. there was a RL triple triad game and card hunt, but as I didn't have the swag book/entry deck they wouldn't give me any. saw the merch area and it was awesome. was going to grab a vegas fan fest shirt, the lore book, and a coin purse for my wife for being a sport. I then realized I was in the viewing/pickup area and there was a line. a donkey line. I grabbed a pic of like half of it apparently.

wasn't going to waste my afternoon in a line that didn't look like it was moving. was kind of annoyed, but continued looking around. as said, there was a PVP tournament going on that I found boring, and not really much else at that point. the live letter didn't start for another few hours. I was losing my buzz and didn't see anywhere to grab a drink so ended up leaving to meet back up with wife. If she would have been able to get a ticket, I would have probably dragged her to the live letter and concert so she kind of lucked out on.

All in all pretty cool. I don't know if I would plan a trip around it/go again as it's not really my thing, but glad I was able to at least check it out!

*edit - pics borked and don't feel like resizing! http://imgur.com/a/qOEPu


Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 18, 2017, 05:33:14 PM
Got my Lancer from 14-20 in a couple hours.  It's still slow and dungeons are reaaaaally slow compared to lvl.50 dungeons, but I do appreciate that from lvl.15 on you get enough xp from dungeons to get you to the next dungeon so you can pretty much just chill and run dungeons/guildheists/trials.

Lancer seems pretty sucky compared to Rogue.  Like it feels slower and weaker damage output.  The little bit of extra reach doesn't really seem to make a difference it's not really ranged or anything.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 19, 2017, 06:08:58 AM
So duckroll joined and he's just getting to the dungeons now.  I went to party with him on party-finder for sastasha since he's on ultros with gaf, but party finder doesn't unlock until after sastasha.  I pulled up my Marauder/Conjurer since it'd be helpful for queuing and they were both lvl.15 so since for Tam-Tara/Copperbell I'll need to be 16/17 I went ahead and geared both out and did the lvl.15 guildheists & sastasha with my healer and lvl.15 guildheists with marauder (will do sastasha tomorrow).

First time healing in a dungeon and wow, THIS IS FUN.  Like lvl.15 healer is sooooooooo much more fun than lvl.15 lancer was.  I like how healing jobs are exciting as you're trying to get the most DPS in as possible while also keeping everyone alive and not cutting it too close to scare your party.  We had an epic moment even in the first dungeon where they pulled way too many enemies at once and the tank and dps thought we were gonna wipe but switching between cures/medica & cleric stance/aero/stone it was close but I kept everyone alive and made it through that moment.  Was pretty great.  I can see healing being a fun alternate job to NIN DPS (I really feel like I only need 1 DPS, they all play pretty similar going by NIN/Lancer/Pugilist, I'm actually gonna skip Samurai in SB now that it's a DPS -_-).  Which of the 3 healers has the best DPS?

Also, DPSing as a healer makes me notice that when I play with random people the reason some of these early battles seem to go slow is because the healer is not DPSing at all.  When I was DPSing along with the team we blew through Sastasha FAST, things died quick.  When I did it the other day with Lancer maaaaan that was a long 30 mins.

Also got back in the swing of things no pun intended with Marauder and eh, it's ok.  Definitely more fun than Gladiator even at this point (overpower >> flash), but still a bit dull. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 19, 2017, 12:06:06 PM
heals da best. my main is WHM lol.

from what I've seen SCH is more and easier DPS, also a bit more ezmode to play. I am only ~50 with it so haven't really had much high level experience with it though. if in a competent party my DPS as WHM can be pretty legit, tends to go off rails some if big pulls or constant heals needed.

I haven't really touched AST, it used to be bad but apparently it is best/most in demand now for endgame due to chance of stacking buffs.

curious to see changes in store for WHM.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 19, 2017, 01:02:27 PM
Also, I know 3.5 introduced the selfie camera, but how do you access it?  Is it a lvl.60 unlock?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 19, 2017, 01:36:54 PM
The /gpose thing?

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/7335298/blog/3093948/
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 19, 2017, 02:42:01 PM
Wait you just type /gpose to activate it? 

Gonna go try this now.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 19, 2017, 03:53:35 PM
Oh wow, that's easy and has tons of options.  Shit, as a digital photographer hobbiest myself I can see myself spending way too much time taking photos now.

Did Tam-Tara with my Marauder, got to lvl.19, man playing with bad DPS as a tank is rough!  I was fighting the squid boss guy and at times he gets a purple line to an imp and becomes invincible.  Normally the DPS would go and pick the imp off the my 2 DPS just kept attacking the invincible boss and I had to run over and kill the imp myself as the tank.  Then the next time the imps spawned they still didn't get it and I had to go kill both imps.  I gave them nice advice afterwards about killing adds as DPS.

But yeah I don't really care for tank.  DPS/Healer all the way.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 19, 2017, 04:36:42 PM
Seeing Samurai DPS was a bit of a swerve for me. Two new DPS means DPS queues will be gutter trash for a long time, but I guess that's good for me as a tank. I understand the reasoning of not wanting to add fuel to the already messy tank meta right now, but I still woulda liked a new toy to play with.  :-\
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 19, 2017, 06:28:32 PM
Aren't queues still gonna be bad as a tank or healer because you'll need to wait for the other tanks/healers?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 19, 2017, 07:01:53 PM
 :lol

No such thing. The biggest perk to playing a Tank or a healer is that your queues will almost always be instant for relevant content, because there are always going to be 100x as many dps players as there are people willing to do those jobs. It's the reason why the Adventurer in Need bonus for roulettes is pretty much TANK 24/7. This will only be exasperated once everyone and their mother is trying to level up their new DPS jobs from 50-70 but there aren't enough tanks around for people to do that stuff. Tanks suffer a bit during 8 man raids initially because its only 1 tank per party, but even that gets alleviated after a bit.

When Ninja first came out on its own during 2.3 or 2.4, people were legit selling their services as tanks for anyone that wanted to do a dungeon because getting into duty finder as a ninja was impossible. I might do the same thing once SB comes along.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 19, 2017, 07:30:27 PM
My old PLD from 1.0 is parked at 50. After I top main I may bring it up in the SAM/RDM army. Assuming they make it better. :)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 19, 2017, 07:50:23 PM
Well I should be level 60 with my Ninja so I'll be going through SB with it.  If I happen to have any other classes at 60 when SB comes out I can switch to them if the queues get bad, but probably just want to stick to Ninja.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 20, 2017, 10:34:16 AM
A little disappointed they didn't announce Dancer. I've been playing FFXI this past week leveling a RDM/DNC. Would love to see what Yoshida could do with a melee healer.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 20, 2017, 10:48:09 AM
Ultimately FFXIV's character development system is too closed and linear to do justice to many of the esoteric jobs of older Final Fantasy games. I can't see it doing justice to something as open-ended as Blue Mage, which by design can be made to be overpowered.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 20, 2017, 12:40:41 PM
Blue Mage would be a tank. They need to get hit to use their opponent's abilities, tanks are getting hit anyway.  :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 21, 2017, 02:59:48 AM
You know, I was thinking, at some point will the battle system get elemental affinities/weaknesses?  Because like I can up my elemental resistance, but otherwise there doesn't really seem to be any elemental focus in the game yet pre-HW.  Like it'd be neat if a boss was weak to fire so a mage could make all the DPS weapons on fire or something like you would do in a single player rpg with elements.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 21, 2017, 09:50:46 AM
You know, I was thinking, at some point will the battle system get elemental affinities/weaknesses?  Because like I can up my elemental resistance, but otherwise there doesn't really seem to be any elemental focus in the game yet pre-HW.  Like it'd be neat if a boss was weak to fire so a mage could make all the DPS weapons on fire or something like you would do in a single player rpg with elements.

Your character has certain elemental resistances in your stats.  I believe these are based on which deity you choose when creating your character.  But these are just vestiges from 1.0.  Some early raiders toyed with those Fire Ward potions during the final phase of T5 when the off tank would end up having to stand in the fire puddles to soak the eggs.  Some of the 2.XX primal weapons had elemental stats, i.e. Shiva's weapons would have Ice Resistance +19.  But there has never been a situation in-game in which you would want to choose a weapon with good elemental resistance over another weapon with a better primary weapon damage stat.

And as far as I know, there are no enemies that resist any elemental attacks to the extent that a mage would ever change his rotation based on that.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 21, 2017, 09:55:40 AM
Blue Mage would be a tank. They need to get hit to use their opponent's abilities, tanks are getting hit anyway.  :lol

It certainly is a cool idea, but I can't ever see them implementing it in XIV.  Part of the cool thing about BLU in XI was the effort of seeking out and farming spells throughout the world in your own order and how customizable BLU is in XI.  XIV's job progression is always just... "talk to this guy and go do a fetch thingy.  congrats!  you now have the same abilities as every other person playing your job."

I mean, it would have been pretty rad during T13 progression to be all, "Now the TANK can cast Akh Morn on Bahamut Prime!"  And then we'd never use any other tank in the game.  :)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 21, 2017, 10:14:55 AM
wouldn't that just create situations where ppl would get pissed at the Blue Mage for not having a certain ability?

and given the way Black Mages work in 14 i can't see them ever implementing an elemental system. it'd require a total revamp of not just the class but so many other things too. it definitely felt weird to me at first to have a final Fantasy game with no elemental weaknesses tho.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 21, 2017, 10:50:25 AM
Elemental resistances are still used in the game, but they're more background changes you don't notice than anything. For instance, the bubble in Garuda EX that lets you shrug off Mistral Shriek raises your wind resistance by like 1000%, and it's viewable in the chatacter window that shows those stats.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 21, 2017, 11:50:13 AM
wouldn't that just create situations where ppl would get pissed at the Blue Mage for not having a certain ability?

In FFXIV, you are absolutely correct. With very few exceptions, for each job in FFXIV there is one set of cross class skills that is ideal for all fights. And people are totally correct to ge pissed if you ar doing serious endgame content without them. 

What?  You're a Bard who wants to do progression in Savage but you haven't leveled Lancer to 34 to get Blood for Blood?  GTFO!  And don't get me started on Warriors and Dark Knights trying to do endgame having never leveled Gladiator to 22 for Provoke. The point is, XIV's cross class system doesn't really create flexible play styles the way XI's sub job system does.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 21, 2017, 01:58:26 PM
Also I hope I don't come across like I'm criticizing XIV in favor of XI. Love them both.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 21, 2017, 03:27:51 PM
I kinda thought healer was easy mode in MP since you just sit back and heal the tank or medica and get some dps in no worries.  Then I did the Ifrit battle!  Managing healing the tank, healing other members getting hit by AoE who might not be close enough for Medica to get everyone while dodging the AoE's directed at you..caught me by surprise and was a bit chaotic.  Definitely broke a sweat.

What are some good tips for Conjurer/White Mage? 

And I have esuna but haven't used it yet.  How do you see what negative status effects your teammates have?  Normally there's just a list of effects next to a name, but most of them (if not all?) are buffs.  So how do you tell when a teammate has a debuff/status effect that needs healing?

Also what class do you get swiftcast as a cross-class skill from?

I probably should go and do the job quests to get the job quest skills.  I'm lvl.20 now, so I can go get Water if I do 5/10/15 and then cure II at 25.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 21, 2017, 03:43:59 PM
Almost all debuffs have a red background to their icons and appear before the buffs on the party list. For example:

(http://i.imgur.com/kkHV2jf.png)

Note the debuffs with the red icon facing (with the arrow-shaped corner facing down) versus the multi-colored buffs with the arrow tips facing upward. Not all debuffs are cleanseable, however, and part of the challenge of healing is learning which are and which aren't.

You get Swiftcast from level 26 Thaumaturge. It's pretty much a requirement for every caster class to have it.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 21, 2017, 04:12:20 PM
Do all debuffs have a "1" or some other number?  That would make it easier to tell what's a debuff for sure.

Also I realized I didn't post last night.  I played some more HW and went to Alba~~ continent in the clouds.  Now that's more like it!  That's the kinda of flying fantastical location I was hoping for in HW vs just more ice/snow/medieval Coerthas (also Foundation has great music, but from the 2d art I was expecting a shining elegant city in the sky.  Not just like standard beatup medieval castle).  The only thing about Alba~~~ is the lack of teleport points really sucks.  I'm not a fan of huge area maps if there aren't a decent amount of teleport points throughout to make easy access to get around.

And playing ARR I sorta was expecting when I got to HW maps to see TONS of people running around since I thought the lack of people in ARR maps was because almost everyone is 50-60 and in HW areas.  But like in Alba~~~ I ran for a couple hours around the first chunk of the area and while it's very cool looking, it was totally lifeless.  I saw one guy fishing and that was it.  No one doing any fates.  Even fewer people than ARR.  West Coerthas kinda felt like that too.  The problem is if there's no one in these areas than there's basically nothing to do.  They make big cool maps with zip to do besides run to the next quest marker.  Kinda a shame.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 21, 2017, 04:15:52 PM
You're playing the expansion areas during the tail end of their lifespan when most people already did the things there are to do in them. They aren't quite as lifeless as the ARR zones, but most people will be either up in the air or going straight to what they want.  :P That said, most people in the Sea of Clouds zone hang around the upper area of the map, cause that's where one of the beastmen are located.

And nah, those 1 numbers are just from stack-based debuffs. Like I mentioned, debuffs will always show up before buffs on the party list, have red icons and be pointing downwards compared to the upwards facing ones.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 21, 2017, 04:21:59 PM
Oh, didn't catch the downwards thing.  That's helpful.  I'll try to work on my healer.  Since duckroll's in a different timezone we're having a tough time playing together so he keeps beating dungeons/trials while I'm asleep and I gotta keep up with my healer if I want to run healer co-op with him.  Good thing about healer is the instant queues, so if I just do my daily dungeon I'll get like 1-2 levels in < 30 mins at this point.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 21, 2017, 05:19:08 PM
Note the debuffs with the red icon facing (with the arrow-shaped corner facing down) versus the multi-colored buffs with the arrow tips facing upward.

I've been playing since 2.2 and never noticed the direction of the icon point corresponding to the buff/rebuff. Thanks!

Always something to learn in this game. Reminds me of how I didn't get the Mapping the Realm achievement for Sastasha Normal Mode (first dungeon in the game) until the week before Heavensward released. There are some optional side rooms I'd never been in.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 21, 2017, 11:56:17 PM
You know, I was thinking, at some point will the battle system get elemental affinities/weaknesses?  Because like I can up my elemental resistance, but otherwise there doesn't really seem to be any elemental focus in the game yet pre-HW.  Like it'd be neat if a boss was weak to fire so a mage could make all the DPS weapons on fire or something like you would do in a single player rpg with elements.

This episode was just released today talking about the vestigial elemental resistances from FFXIV 1.0. 

https://youtu.be/0TXcMPA39Xc

This guy has been doing a fantastic series on 1.0, btw.  They're all worth checking out.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 24, 2017, 03:46:34 AM
The nighttime piano music in foundation is really nice.  I wish there was more of a reason to stay in that area since you're either running into the inn where the music changes or just running up the stairs to upper foundation which has different music.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 24, 2017, 04:57:13 AM
Oh and did a healer run of lvl.20 Ifrit and saw the party wipe.  Didn't even know it was possible on that version.  Myself and one DPS were hitting the one nail (cleric mode, aero, water, stone II) but the other DPS stuck to the boss with the tank and Ifrit jumped before the nail was gone and wipe.  We gave the new dps a little direction after that and it went fine, but yeah I didn't think XIV had any party wipe mechanics before the first boss of Qarn.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 24, 2017, 03:23:34 PM
Ifrit's nail is the very first party wipe mechanic in the game, yeah. Even shares it in hard / extreme: if you hurt him too much before taking out the nails, or dont kill them in time, he wipes the party. Had my fair share of parties who didn't get that back when the game launched.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 25, 2017, 09:20:54 PM
Spent 3 hours today leveling Arcanist from 1-15, since my Conjurer is lvl.25 and I wanna be able to go straight to White Mage once I hit lvl.30.  1-15 was boring as always, but arcanist is sorta fun with all the million DoT debuffs + carbuncle. 

Now I only have 1 job left to do the 1-15 grind at some point, Archer.  Will be glad when that's over.  Then it's the 15-30 grind for all classes to have all jobs available.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 25, 2017, 09:40:20 PM
Oh and I did a dungeon today as healer and was with 3 first timers and the arcanist DPS decided they wanted to be THE HEALER and would keep healing the tank instead of dps-ing.  I didn't say anything because I didn't want to be an ass but I was think STOP HEALING, DO DPS THAT IS YOUR JOB.  So instead I went cleric mode and did nothing but DPS as Conjurer lol

Like, the arcanist seemed worried everytime the tank HP would drop down like 100HP and he'd instantly go into a heal.  For me I don't worry about healing the tank until their down to about 30-40% HP unless they are constantly getting hit hard where I'll heal them non-stop.  But if it's just some trash mobs, I don't see any problem in DPS-ing until the tank is down to 1/3rd HP and then healing the tank back up and going back to DPS-ing and repeat.  But I can see how that might scare some people seeing the tank HP dropping down to 1/3rd.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 25, 2017, 10:26:46 PM
Arcanists with Topaz Carbuncle out instead of Ruby.  :gun :gun :gun :gun
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 26, 2017, 11:21:28 AM
PoTD with random people and that 1 guy who wants to kill every enemy on every floor -_-
...and then leaving and a few mins later doing the next set and getting that same guy in your party again -__________________-

My bad experiences with PoTD are what keep me from sticking to it for leveling purposes on 2nd classes.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on February 26, 2017, 12:55:10 PM
if I'm close to finishing a weapon in PotD, I like killing all the enemies because every enemy has a chance of dropping silver chests.  There's a pomander that increases those chances too.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 26, 2017, 05:08:30 PM
Well if I just want to gain one level as a lvl 25 mage, taking over an hour to get through floors 1-20 is mumblegrumblemumble.  Wanted an alternative to dungeons/hunting log for a break but too slow for my tastes if played in that style.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 26, 2017, 05:50:55 PM
So I gotta say I'm having too much fun with FFXIV.  Like I'm not addicted to the point where it's interfering with my life/work/social life, as I'm still doing all my normal stuff and don't play games any more than I normally would, but what it is doing is taking over ALL of my gaming time.  Like I got Nier Automata & SRW V and started both and they're great, but when I have free time I feel a stronger pull towards turning on FFXIV and running some dungeons with my conjurer to hit 30 and get my white mage job.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the completionist in me is not going to feel satisfied until I've finished 3.5 MSQ and every extreme/savage fight at least once, and gotten every job to lvl.60.  Like the whole "multiple jobs on a single character + cross-class skills" is such a good/terrible hook on SE's part.  If I wanna improve my Ninja, gotta level Dragoon to 34 for B4B, which also means Marauder to 15.  If I wanna play a good White Mage I gotta level Conjurer + Arcanist to 15 + I need to level Thurmatage to 28 for swiftcast.  I feel like it never ends until you've gotten every job to 60.

I think I'm not going to get a lot of games played in 2017 and 2017 will basically be the year of me putting in 1000 hours (already at 350 almost) in FFXIV and getting every job to lvl.70 and finishing the SB content that's out.  At least after that point I should be good and able to stop playing FFXIV for another 1.5 years until the next expansion comes out and raises the level cap again, since the small amount of MSQ added between won't take up too much time.

But yeah, it looks like 2017 is the year of FFXIV for me.  Also this is why I will never play another MMO after this.  But I'm committed for the rest of FFXIV's lifetime.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on February 26, 2017, 06:10:01 PM
That is precisely why I don't understand complaints about sub fees. Good MMOs consume your gaming time as a working adult. $12-15 a month for the entertainment value is insane.

Unrelated: have we heard anything about the combat changes forthcoming in SB? They've got to be doing something with ability bloat.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 26, 2017, 07:24:42 PM
Some HW questions:

So I keep doing these blue "+" sidequests in west coerthas that give me green aetherite items.  I also got the compass and I've been collecting the green wind circles on the map.  Am I supposed to be able to fly yet?  Because I have a flying mount and I can't figure out how to fly.  I thought it was like flying uses that green current stuff so you find it and then fly from one of those spots, but that doesn't seem to be it.  So right now I have no idea what these green crystals I'm getting from blue "+" quests do, or how to fly.

Also at some point is there a new hunting log for HW areas?  I'm grabbing the daily hunts from the clan board and kill the occasional one I run into.

When do I get the new sightseeing log for the HW areas?


Otherwise I'm at the part where I just unlocked the dusk vigil.  So the first actual multiplayer part of HW is...an optional sidequest?  Weird how there's no MP so far in the main story.  Like the instanced battles with npcs are an improvement from previous solo instanced content, but I'd much rather be constantly doing MP every hour in the main story either for a dungeon or trial because that's the real deal.  The instanced NPC fights/mini-dungeons are ok but they're not that satisfying.  I wonder if they're trying to move away from forced MP in the MSQ so that people can play through the story without having to wait in long queues?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 26, 2017, 07:46:34 PM
you need to get all crystals in a map before you can fly there. collect all the icons around the map and complete all quests that give you one. there's a log that keeps track.

the sightseeing log is in the first town of the dravanian hinterlands; someone on the bridge gives it to you.

no new hunting log

dusk vigil is optional? Explains why I've only played it like once in roulette. iirc there's six other maps in hs, all mandatory. theta a good number of maps available after 3.0 story is over tho.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 26, 2017, 10:01:47 PM
Well that's bs.  So this is one of those games where you have to scour and fill out the entire map and then you get useful transportation that you don't even need anymore at that point.  Also I guess this means the MSQ won't have flying in it since it's such a big task just to get it for each area.

Also kinda takes away from the "+" blue quests.  Instead of unlocking something cool, like a new feature/gameplay system as you progress through HW areas, it's just a bunch of crystals you need to eventually get to fly in an area.

Hmmm.  For the most part I'm liking everything about HW, but I don't like this or the lack of fast travel points.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 26, 2017, 11:00:35 PM
well you don't need fast travel once you unlock flying :p

they keep you from flying early bc they want the story to unfold a specific way, so you can't just up and fly around all the sea of clouds, for example. so flying doesn't play much of a part during the main story, but ofc you'll be using it non-stop every time you enter a hs map afterwards, guaranteed.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 26, 2017, 11:26:21 PM
Ok, yeah that makes sense and you can use it for the 3.x content.  So then is SB gonna have flying?  And then if flying mounts are now a thing so every expansion will continue to have flying, the question is whether at some point they'll go back and retrofit the ARR areas to have flying as well so they don't stick out as the only non-flying areas in the game.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 27, 2017, 12:08:03 AM
people have been asking for flying in 2.0 for years, but i can't see them essentially remaking the game for a third time. not that I'd complain if they reworked them, but i think for the most part the original maps work fine as is.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 27, 2017, 04:02:20 AM
Got to experience flying for the first time when I took a chocobo porter.  Pretty cool!  And actually that makes the porters useful on these big maps since you can just take one from the teleport spot and they'll fly quickly to the nearest camp you want to go to.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 27, 2017, 11:09:51 PM
THEY NERFED CRYSTAL SAND GATHERING PRAISE HYDAELYN
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 28, 2017, 12:01:18 AM
THEY NERFED CRYSTAL SAND GATHERING PRAISE HYDAELYN

???
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 28, 2017, 12:07:35 AM
Relic shit bebpo will never have to deal with.  :lol

I never once thought crystal sands were a problem. Spam leves for treasure chests, get amber, drop the leve, retry it and repeat. And if that fails, there's still 50 other ways to get them. Meamwhile, Umbrite was an asinine grind of needing 300 lore for a single rock as the only way to get them. At least now a single ARF/60/expert roulette will get you an umbrite.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 28, 2017, 08:47:36 AM
crystal sands are tough to get it you're lazy like me
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 28, 2017, 11:14:31 PM
Anima Weapons: The Saga Ends   :rejoice

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5zg58_VUAAWYmi.jpg)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 28, 2017, 11:18:08 PM
Oh, did today's patch include the last part of the quest?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on February 28, 2017, 11:36:20 PM
Yup! i275 weapons with the substats of our choice. Would rather not think about all it took to get there.

Today's final step is more of a victory lap after the hump that was the 260 > 270 step.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on March 01, 2017, 12:14:54 AM
Took a break from FFXI to log in and do my victory lap for my i275 spear relic.  Also did the Proto Ultima quest.

Now back to Red Mage/Dancer.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 01, 2017, 12:43:34 AM
So does that mean the final MSQ came out today prior to SB?  Was the 3.55 MSQ ending as amazing as 2.55?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on March 01, 2017, 01:09:29 AM
no MSQ in this patch.  There's another patch coming early March, but I think it's just adding Diadem and something else relatively minor in.  I don't know if we're getting another MSQ patch before Stormblood.  I hope so though.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on March 01, 2017, 01:30:45 AM
We are. 3.55b is the Diadem re-introduction, then 3.56 will have the second part of the 3.5 story introducing the Othard characters / set up Stormblood.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 01, 2017, 03:38:30 AM
Well, I got this far without being spoiled on the MSQ so that's a pretty good run I guess.  Logged on a bit to walk into Dravania and people were chatting on the FC and someone goes

3.5 spoilers I guess:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
So is Palpymo dying the end of the MSQ for now?
[close]

And then everyone is like uh, spoilers dude, and then everyone else is all yeaaaaah and the dude goes "oh, I thought everyone knew that already"  :|

Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 01, 2017, 03:55:23 AM
I really like HW though, so that's a plus.  Fun areas, reaaaaally good music, good interesting MSQ with characters and things happening and I haven't even gotten to any of the dungeons/trials/raids/job quests yet (have dusk vigil unlocked in duty Finder, just gotta sit down and do it).

Also got my first crafter to 45 and the lvl.50 recipes are unlocked (at least viewable).  Yeah tons of stuff to craft at 50.  Looking forward to hitting that number and that's before any of the recipe books.  Rest of crafters are around 35 now, Mining is 40 & Botany 36.  I feel like doing turn ins gets me like 5-6 levels a month across the board, whereas dedicating 4-5 hours in a day can get me 5-10 levels on a single job with leves.  Just gotta figure out most efficient use of time to get them all to 50...then 60.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 01, 2017, 02:51:51 PM
Hmmm, yeah.  Now that I think about it I've got like 7.5 million gil I'm not using and if I spent just 1-2 million on batch materials for leve request items I could sit at the leves and keep turning them in and probably get from 35-50 with my entire crafting group in a weekend.  May do that...
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 02, 2017, 01:15:49 PM
Is it just me or do the women's fashion items (clothing) look way better than the guy's fashion in this game?  I feel like there's hardly any good looking stylish non-armor clothes for guys and if you're a guy your best bet is to just get some cool armor or something.  Women have tons of nice dresses and other stuff.  Which is weird because like FFXV is all about men's fashion, so I'd think there'd be better fashion options for guys.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on March 02, 2017, 01:33:39 PM
yeah imo most outfits that aren't heavy armors look like they were designed look like they were designed for women first then adapted. you've always got that fantasia potion!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 02, 2017, 06:42:45 PM
Results of today's test:

lvl.45 Goldsmith -> lvl.50 goldsmith using leves and buying HQ items off MB = 20 mins total, ~200k, around 25 leves
lvl.33 Leatherworker -> lvl.48 leatherworker buying materials off MB & crafting myself since no HQ leve items available on MB = ~1 hour total, ~250k, used all remaining 75 leves when I hit about midway through lvl.48

Currently doing the Ixali trade-ins and Ixali quests to see if I can get that last level and a half so leatherworker hits lvl.50
Oh and during the time that I spent the above about 500k on stuff I sold about 200k worth of profit items.

Overall thoughts on this method:
Rather than taking another 2-3 weeks of GC turn-ins every day for 45 mins or so of my time each day (~20 hours) to get the rest of my crafters from ~lvl.35-lvl.50.  It makes more sense from efficiency to once a week when I restock my leves back to 100 allowance, I spend 250k and 1 hour to get a crafting class to lvl.50.  Especially since I easily make at least 500k a week on the MB which pays for this.

In the meantime, while waiting for my leves to fill back up I'll keep doing my dailies and turning in HQ items as much as possible.


But now that I hit lvl.50 with at least one crafter (maybe two, I'll see in about an hour).  I can finally do the lvl.50 + quest in mordhana and start buying recipe books and crafting glamors and other cool items.  Once I have all my crafters/gatherers to lvl.50 I'm fine not focusing on them until I've finished HW, but still doing daily GC turn-ins so they level a bit (like my fishing class just from doing GC turn-ins since I hit 50, not doing any fishing at all really, already went from lvl.50->55 in the background).

Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on March 02, 2017, 07:31:19 PM
i finally started gladiator and my god that is so much better to use that marauder. like marauder is completely fucking useless unless you have flash. every other class I played at least worked, but as far as I can tell marauder is a completely useless and inadequate in its own. a single aoe enmity-generating attack would fix this, but oh well.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on March 02, 2017, 07:33:48 PM
(http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/images/7/70/Overpower_Icon.png)

.....Overpower? It actually does damage unlike flash? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on March 02, 2017, 07:37:30 PM
what level do you get that at
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on March 02, 2017, 07:39:26 PM
uhhh it looks like you get it at level 12 what in the tarnations

no wonder I was having so much trouble. this is why I should never play tank.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on March 02, 2017, 09:11:39 PM
I got kind of back in to clear most of the new content (on last Alex still and haven't done Dun yet) but got a bit tired of SLOPPEH.

Over past week or so have been dicking around with crafting, but Bebpo is making me feel ashamed lol. I only had Miner to 60, and GSM to 52 or so :lol

Other ones were anywhere from 5-20ish? All are at least 30 now. Fishing is the worst.

Agree best to just leve grind certain sellable recipe's if able. Making money really isn't too hard in game at moment...but I am too cheap to squander my millions crafting  :'(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: SpeedStats on March 02, 2017, 09:11:45 PM
LOL, this is why I don't tank either. I get way too stressed out.  I'm just like "oh god i need to position everything so no one gets pissed off. oh god why didn't the ninja shadewalker me. oh god why isn't the healer using shroud. oh god this is too hard"

I'd rather heal and get mad at everyone instead. :D


OH YEAH IDOL EVENT WOOOOOOOOOOO

(https://abload.de/img/ashasunblade03_01_201eojs6.png)

I started the Zhloe questline they added today. I think it's moreso intended for people who are 0-2* level 60 crafters/gatherers because the crafts are pretty easy, and you can just do a bare minimum crafting HQ rotation for max collectability (though that being said I have a lot of my crafting pieces overmelded, so it isn't intended for me). I assume that you can do a bare minimum collectability rotation for gathering too (for Sunblade to reference in the future since he gathers).  If I wasn't still working on three more relics, I would've been kind of irritated that they didn't bother adding something like this in 3.1 but hey free blue/red scrips + Crafting/Gathering 5 materia, so it's okay.  I appreciated the moogle quests for being easy as heck too. The first crafts are level 57 so they're easier going than regular scrips.

I think the NPC is funny so ... hey at least 3.55a makes me laugh so far?

~also woooooooo Onix Sunblade and I finished our first out of four relic weapons~

(https://abload.de/img/ashasunblade02_28_2015yjua.png)

I have zero sense of accomplishment because I'm not finished the rest ;~;

Bonus:

(https://abload.de/img/ashasunblade03_02_201ubj20.png)

(https://abload.de/img/ashasunblade03_02_201uokad.png)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on March 02, 2017, 09:14:35 PM
LOL that 2nd bonus pic  :doge
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 02, 2017, 09:19:38 PM
Ixali quests were a bust.  Couldn't even get my 1.5 levels needed to get to 50.  Anything other than the Ixali turn-in quest is a total waste of time for the craft xp you get (basically 1 leve worth of xp).  I ended up just busting out my crafting recipe book and crafting all the level 45-50 items and that gave me enough xp to hit lvl.50 with leatherworker.  Each item you craft around that level gives about 1/3rd of what you'd get for a lvl.45 levequest (~70k, so you get about 30-35k per crafted item in the recipe book).
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: SpeedStats on March 02, 2017, 09:39:25 PM
I ended up doing the crafting beast tribes in reverse since I joined during 2.5. 

That is: I refused to craft until Heavensward, so I ended up doing crafting leves to level up my crafters + did GC turn-ins every day + used the manuals you get from GCs + put our crafting buffs up. They released Moogle crafting quests in... 3.3? I think?  Those crafting quests are super-duper easy, and sometimes don't even require high quality. I didn't get the full benefits of them because by then I had almost every crafter to 60, but the XP is very good. I don't think anyone really /likes/ the Ixali quests, because they handicap you so if you're an omnicrafter you cry every time you have to do something in Mor Dhona.

It's too bad that I don't think you can use the xp from moogle quests for crafters under 50, though.

I dunno. I both love and dislike crafting in this game because I feel like the crafting/gathering systems get shafted. I can't bother to do everything there is to do with gathering because Timed Nodes Are A Thing, and it kind of feels like you're a little limited in terms of how you level them up or gear them up? At least it's going to get easier to get Crafting 5/Gathering 5 materia now with the new Zhloe quests? idk. I hope they focus a little more on crafting in Stormblood but I'm not holding my breath.

Oh and I did a dungeon today as healer and was with 3 first timers and the arcanist DPS decided they wanted to be THE HEALER and would keep healing the tank instead of dps-ing.  I didn't say anything because I didn't want to be an ass but I was think STOP HEALING, DO DPS THAT IS YOUR JOB.  So instead I went cleric mode and did nothing but DPS as Conjurer lol

Like, the arcanist seemed worried everytime the tank HP would drop down like 100HP and he'd instantly go into a heal.  For me I don't worry about healing the tank until their down to about 30-40% HP unless they are constantly getting hit hard where I'll heal them non-stop.  But if it's just some trash mobs, I don't see any problem in DPS-ing until the tank is down to 1/3rd HP and then healing the tank back up and going back to DPS-ing and repeat.  But I can see how that might scare some people seeing the tank HP dropping down to 1/3rd.

I hate it when arcanists do that, so I end up being kind of passive-aggressive and go "ok you want to heal? Go ahead?"

I base when I start healing on the first pull, so I do a lot of observing and I guess I heal more depending on the tank and dungeon/pull made.  When Sunblade tanks, I know that I can go into pulls with Cleric on because it gives me time to set up my debuffs and dots as scholar, or Holy + Regen + 2x Holy + Assize + Holy as White Mage.

If I heal a rando, I guess I do more observation.  The first thing I do when I go into a leveling dungeon is I inspect everyone's equipment real quick before we start or as I'm casting protect so I can gauge how much I'm going to heal. It comes with some experience when you can gauge how fast the HP falls when the tank makes a big pull, but in earlier dungeons, if the tank's HP drops like a rock, I'll heal more.  If the tank's HP is ok, then I heal less and go into Cleric more easily. 

I don't like to start healing until the tank is 50-60% full because when they go down to less than that, a critical or multiple criticals from enemies will probably kill them if their CDs are down and sometimes you don't even know if they're up or not (especially in 40-60+ dungeons when enemies hit harder and they make bigger pulls -- good example is one of the endgame dungeons in 60 roulette where Sunblade made a huge pull, but ended up dying because he got like 5 crits in a row then died when he could usually handle not getting healed so I'd rather be safe than sorry). I usually stay in cleric until then.  I think 60-70% full is ok to start healing DPS, but every healer is different and has a different criteria for when they start and stop healing. 

The best advice that I can give, especially when you have a cohealer, is that you want to do everything 50-50 so that you aren't putting stress on anyone. Let your tank use his cooldowns, and you know DPS have Second Wind unless they're casters or Machinist.  Just don't go into the role thinking you /need/ to dps because your priority is to keep everyone alive and to be super-observant.  But that comes with a lot of practice and time.

Just don't be me and let the healer role make you be jaded towards every party you come into contact with lol.

I kinda thought healer was easy mode in MP since you just sit back and heal the tank or medica and get some dps in no worries.  Then I did the Ifrit battle!  Managing healing the tank, healing other members getting hit by AoE who might not be close enough for Medica to get everyone while dodging the AoE's directed at you..caught me by surprise and was a bit chaotic.  Definitely broke a sweat.

What are some good tips for Conjurer/White Mage?

I only recently picked up WHM last patch, and Sunblade was the one who taught me how to WHM but...
-When you've got a good handle on how your tank in low level roulette, feel free to Aero everything in a group then hammer away with Stone/Stone II (whichever one is better depending on what you get in roulette) on the thing the dps are hitting.
-White Mage is considered the Reactive Healer.  I main Scholar, which is the proactive healer (ie: I shield for incoming damage versus cleaning up the mess after), so it was a huge adjustment. You can cast a regen to make up for damage lost on the tank, though, but use it during a pull or after the tank has secured aggro.
-Cross-classing Blizzard II from Black Mage is the best thing you can do. You don't have an AoE early on, and 90% of the time everyone's going to be hitting everything (especially the tank to keep hate on every monster in a pack) so sleep is kinda useless. If you have Blizzard II, it's super useful for lower levels or if you don't want to burn too much MP using a Holy spam.
-At level 38 you get Shroud of Saints which restores MP to you gradually, AND decreases the amount of aggro you generate (kind of like Quelling or throwing a Smoke Screen at them). Best thing you can do is use this at 60% MP or use it when you notice that you're getting more aggro than the tank can generate.
-I've seen a lot of starter White Mages do this for some reason but... don't keep casting Medica in situations that don't need it. 1-2 people taking damage? Use Cure or Cure II on them. Casting Medica will generate more aggro on your part and you want to minimise how many times you use it based on that and based on your magic usage.
-Use Medica when you're in range of everyone. I've seen White Mages even in 60 content still use it when they're not standing close to ANYONE.
-Never cast regen on the tank before every pull. When the tank pulls, all the enemies will come to you instead because you're the one who generated aggro pre-pull. Cast Stoneskin (level 34) near the end of a pull.
-Use Fluid Aura on enemies when they're about to die (but we covered that the other night) so melee and tanks won't be caught off-guard.
-Swiftcast is life.
-Good Cross-Class skills are Blizzard II, Swiftcast, Virus, Eye for an Eye, and Surecast. Virus/E4E are untraited but they'll still work as intended at base level. Just make sure you cast Virus when you notice something big is coming and NOT at the start of a fight.

-I want to rip Medica II off of every White Mage's hotbar for life.  It's a great skill but it's so often misused that it's frustrating to see White Mages use it as a crutch or when they want to be lazy and afk/watch netflix.

I'm not sure what else.  I play all three healers to an extent so just ask.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 02, 2017, 11:11:41 PM
Thanks, that's really helpful!

I just took a look at post-50 crafting with my Goldsmith and it seems really confusing.  I blew a ton of money on the MB and got the best lvl 50 crafting gear on sale which put me around i55 or i56.  Unlocked the first couple master recipe books (demimateria and goldsmith 1) but to get goldsmith II book or i70 weapon I need to make Rose Gold Cogs HQ and Calibrated Rose Gold Cog HQ and I'm below the craftsmanship level to craft a Rose Gold Cog by like 3 star points on craftsmanship and 1 below control (so I can't just use food to make up the missing one).

I unlocked scrip turn ins and the first item for Goldsmith was a lvl. 51 accessory.  I bought the mats and crafted it...but it's greyed out at the script turn in and says I don't have the required item in my inventory.  I've triple checked and it's the exact item being requested.  Does it have to be HQ or something?  I don't get what's going on.  Looking at the scrip exchange it seems much simpler and easy to understand compared to the HQ turn ins for lvl.50 i70/i90 gear.  Scrip seems like you just turn in like the GC, get blue scrip currency and then use it to buy better gear, new recipes.  I like that but I gotta figure out how to turn an item in?

Also HW mats are a lot pricier on the MB.  I need to get my miner/bot to 50 before I try crafting to 60 so I can get the mats myself.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on March 02, 2017, 11:19:43 PM
You need to have collectable synthesis turned on when crafting to create a collectable to turn in. Items created with the skill on are unique/untradeable and don't stack with each other due to having a unique value assigned to them.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 02, 2017, 11:22:26 PM
Ok, googled it and I think it's because I didn't use the collectible skill on it when crafting it.  Also I saw something that said collectible turn ins are for lvl.56+?  Can I start doing it at lvl.50?

Also googling around about post-lvl.50 crafting and unlocking master recipe books, gearing up, etc... this looks like it gets expensive FAST.  Like sub-level 50 crafting is pretty cheap and your retainer can always grab what you need in a pinch, but post-level 50 is like demimateria and hard to get materials and things are tough to craft and expensive.

Honestly doesn't really sound fun.  I think I may put this on the backburner (still do my GC daily turn-ins) and just focus on the battle jobs at this point and playing through HW.  Maybe after I'm done with HW if SB isn't out yet, I'll focus on the crafting end-game.

You need to have collectable synthesis turned on when crafting to create a collectable to turn in. Items created with the skill on are unique/untradeable and don't stack with each other due to having a unique value assigned to them.

Yeah, well, now I know at least :|  The lvl.51 item was pretty tough to craft with my i55 lvl.50 character.  Feels way harder than sub-50 crafting was.  I'm using food & the FC crafting facilties too.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on March 02, 2017, 11:25:54 PM
It's cause the difficulty rating of the 51 crafts is that much higher due to the huge gulf between starting level 50 and endgame 50 crafts. Just gotta level up your crafters there to overcome that hump.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 02, 2017, 11:43:33 PM
It's cause the difficulty rating of the 51 crafts is that much higher due to the huge gulf between starting level 50 and endgame 50 crafts. Just gotta level up your crafters there to overcome that hump.

Should I be aiming for the original ARR lvl.50 endgame progression?  Crafting cogs and stuff to get i70 gear, then i90 gear, etc...
Or should I skip that, level up to 60 using GC turn-ins, collectible turn-ins and leves and then go directly from the i55 gear I have now to the i125 blue script gear?

The ARR endgame/post-game ilevel stuff makes it really confusing and weird when you're in HW.  Like I'm lvl.56 Ninja now (but only at lvl.51 MSQ) and I'm still using my i130 augmented ironworks gear.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on March 02, 2017, 11:58:39 PM
Nah, just like with the battle gear, you can get the leveling gear introduced in HW and bypass the level 50 progression entirely. There's no reason to do the 50 quests for crafting outside of getting the mastery books.

Augmented Poetic allows players to have a leg up during Heavensward content. Once you get to the level 55 dungeon, gear will start to drop that's a higher ilvl than that.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 03, 2017, 12:36:31 AM
Yeah, ok.  So I spent a lot of money.  Bought the most expensive crafting food there is for like 50,000 gil for one use.  And tried crafting a bunch of rose gold cogs.  Got 2 HQ ones, traded them in for the i70 Goldsmith weapon.  Increased my ilevel by...1 to i56.  To get the next i90 weapon I need a non-HQ calibrated gold cog, tried to do that since I have the materials, too low craftsmenship level by a few points.

Also I made my collectable and turned it in...and all I got was a small amount of xp, no scrips. 
I looked around on the mb at different levels and now it all makes sense.

Basically FFXIV expansion gear doesn't start until 5 levels in.  So HW gear is 55-65, SB gear at lvl.64 will be weaker than the highest endgame HW gear which is essentially lvl.65 gear.  And SB will be 65-75 gear.  Basically, it seems like with crafting, I just level up until 55/56, then I can buy cheap gear that's better than what I have and I can use that to make items for scrips which I start getting at 56 and then use those for i125 crafter gear.  With my Ninja job, I just coast with my i130 gear and then when the MSQ gets to 56 I'll start getting higher stuff.  I think I get it now.  When I was looking at the MB, once I get my crafter to lvl.60 I can buy cheap gear that will basically double my craftsmanship/control stats and make all the lvl.50 post-game crafting much easier.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 03, 2017, 12:49:48 AM
Also I realized at this point I don't know how to craft ^^;  I'm reading these rotations and I never use half these abilities.  I don't even understand what most of them do...I need to read some guides on how crafting works. 

My rotation at this point for all my crafters is basically:

-Steady Hand
-The progress version 2 that costs 15 CP
-repeat if necessary until within 1 turn of "safe" finish with the 100% success, 90% progress move so I know I can finish it when there's 10 left no matter what
-Great strides (for 2x quality on next move)
-Lower recipe level
-HQ touch version 3
-HQ touch version 3
-HQ touch version 3 or 2 if I'm out of cp
-The cp92 skill that gives 3 turns back
-Hasty touches x however many turns are left
-final move the safe 100% progress move for completion
*all while using the skill that gives 20CP back on random turns whenever it pops up.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on March 03, 2017, 01:18:49 AM
The first few levels of collectible turn ins don't give scrips, but they do give a nice chunk of xp if you meet the quality rating.

Basically bebpo, endgame crafting revolves around the use of one skill: Byregot's Blessing.

(http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/images/7/70/Byregot%27s_Blessing_Icon.png)
Increases quality.

Efficiency: 100% plus 20% for each bonus to control granted by Inner Quiet
Success Rate: 90%
Level 50 Carpenter.

Don't even bother crafting level 50+ stuff without it. It's not worth it. The average endgame rotation varies, but usually revolves around:

Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 03, 2017, 01:29:56 AM
Yeah, I just read a long guide on crafting.  One thing I never knew was that condition effected your quality increases on touch.  I always used tricks of the trade on good condition to get back 20CP so I'd lose out on all the good condition touches, which explains some things.

Also had no idea how inner quiet worked.  Now I know.

But then yeah, stuff like Byregot and Steady Hands II...I just don't have them yet.  So I gotta get the rest of my crafters up to 50 and unlock the full set of skills.  Will make things much easier.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 03, 2017, 03:25:38 AM
Ok, kinda getting the hang of it.  Using inner quiet and stacking as much as possible with basic or standard touches, hitting big jumps with advance touch on good or excellent turns.  Got Goldsmith to lvl.51 just doing some crafting tests and unlocked Byregot's not-blessing that does 150% + 10% for each IQ stack with 70% success rate.  At this point can HQ 1-star lvl.50 items no problem.  Now just need to get the other classes up and get mining/botany up so I don't have to keep buying the mats.

Did the Ninja lvl.52 job quest.  I'm assuming the only usefulness of smoke bomb (reduce enmity for 20 seconds) is to throw on a healer sometimes?  Like Goad on the tank?  Took a look at the next lvl.54 action and it seems pretty boring/useless too (Armor Break) as it's just a just a slightly weaker combo finisher that extends Huton for 30 seconds so you make up the DPS a little with the extra skill speed for those 30 seconds (can't imagine it's much).

Hoping at some point in the lvl.50->60 job path, I'll actually get a useful new move for NIN that will change up my rotation.

*edit* actually if Armor Crush works so that you can constantly push up the timer on huton 30 seconds to the point where you only have to cast huton once at the start and then AC keeps it alive the whole fight so you save having to use a mudra on it every ~3rd or 4th mudra and can use that mudra on an attack instead, then that should be a pretty decent move.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on March 03, 2017, 03:51:05 AM
Armor Crush is Nin's big game changer in HW. With it, you gain a side combo finisher to use when hitting the rear isn't an option, and are able to keep Huton up indefinitely in battle making it so those extra Ninjutsu that would have gone towards refreshing Huton are freed up for offensive stuff.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: SpeedStats on March 03, 2017, 05:41:54 PM
Did the Ninja lvl.52 job quest.  I'm assuming the only usefulness of smoke bomb (reduce enmity for 20 seconds) is to throw on a healer sometimes?  Like Goad on the tank?  Took a look at the next lvl.54 action and it seems pretty boring/useless too (Armor Break) as it's just a just a slightly weaker combo finisher that extends Huton for 30 seconds so you make up the DPS a little with the extra skill speed for those 30 seconds (can't imagine it's much).

Hoping at some point in the lvl.50->60 job path, I'll actually get a useful new move for NIN that will change up my rotation.
You don't always need to use Goad on the tank, because a lot of DRKs don't care for it, and some paladins don't need it, but absolutely goad at the start of a boss on a Warrior. They love that shit. I just do it habitually because I used to do it on Sunblade back when Paladin was more TP intensive.  I do it even now because he plays Warrior.  It's good if you do because a lot of people plain don't see Goad, but its CD is long and sometimes you'll need it for your partner in a trash pull or a WAR who needs to overpower a lot.

Sometimes I just save it for the monk or other NIN or Bard or MCH in a trash pull because they're using as much TP as I am.

As for Smoke Bomb, I feel like it needs a buff and when I originally levelled Ninja, I didn't use it as much, but I just throw it on dumb healers who don't use Shroud, healers who are going to Holy spam, Monks, burst-heavy MCHs, higher geared (ex: Alexandrian/Augmented) players, etc.  It's useful but not as useful as Quelling or Shroud would be. 

Ninja at 60 is pretty much similar to Ninja 50. You're just able to use more Mudra skills and weave them through your rotation.  Ninjas are moreso for utility because of goad, shadewalker, smoke bomb, trick attack, dancing edge, etc.  The jobs with bigger changes in HW are pretty much everything else. Dragoon gets more timers, Monk gets more ogcds (but that's Sunblade to talk about since he plays monk), BLM gets more timers and a heavier rotation than they did up to 50, Bard gets more timers to think about (but I love it and I love WM srynotsry), etc.

*edit* actually if Armor Crush works so that you can constantly push up the timer on huton 30 seconds to the point where you only have to cast huton once at the start and then AC keeps it alive the whole fight so you save having to use a mudra on it every ~3rd or 4th mudra and can use that mudra on an attack instead, then that should be a pretty decent move.
Armour Crush is a GAME CHANGER. You never should have to huton again unless your pulls are slow and your tank runs slow and your huton falls down to 20s. It changes the Ninja 60 rotation completely and allows your opener to have more burst to it.  I use Armor Crush usually when there's 20-25 left on my huton.

The 60 opener is:
Huton is already up (I usually try to armor crush the last enemy on the last pull so I don't have to do it before the boss pull and thus would have to either ask the tank to wait 20s or just put a huton up anyway and wait 20s to do your actual opener (which screws the mch or blm or bard or what have you cuz they won't have the 10s of vuln up to take advantage of for THEIR opener so sometimes you have to suck it up and kassatsu with a suiton in that case).

Suiton -> Trick Attack (Kassatsu) -> Raiton (you should be in the process of doing a spinning edge -> AE combo here + a potion if you have a WAR, if not, you have no choice but to DoT and then DE then AE), then your normal rotation. With Armor Crush you can just keep using mudra on attacks than hutons, so armor crush helps before a boss jump or at the end of a pull so you can open with a katon then kassatsu'd doton in a trash pull or something.

However, your opener can be so heavy that you /must/ use Shadewalker on the tank, especially since it'll allow a warrior to open with Storm's Eye for you.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 03, 2017, 08:55:10 PM
Did Dusk Vigil.  First HW dungeon content, was solid.  Nice looking stage, cool boss intro.  Fun fights.  My team was rusty and I was pretty rusty cause it's probably been 100+ hours since I've played lvl.50 rotation Ninja seriously. 

After beating it, got the last wind shard for West Coerthas and got FLYING.  Flew around and finished mapping out the area.  Flying is cool.  West Coerthas is pretty neat with all the dragon corpses scattered around.  I found a few sightseeing spots (I'd gotten the 3.0 guide from chocobo feathertail place) and stood in them and it said STANDING IN A VISTA and I did "/lookout" and ...nothing happens.  Do you need to activate the 3.0 sightseeing spots differently?  I wasn't paying attention when I got the quest.

So I was thinking that since HW mats are all pricey whether I can just roll GREED on all the HW dungeon loot and then do desynthesis and get good materials from that?  There's an earing I want to craft "Mosshorn Earings" and I need 10 Field Demimateria I just to craft it along with other mats and I have no idea how to get that cheaply. 

Also I think I need to take a break from playing this, the crafting stuff is too much, too complicated, too expensive, too grindy to deal with while going through MSQ with my NIN.  I'm feeling like taking a breather and then coming back and just sticking to my NIN and doing the rest of HW content and not think about all these other complex expensive systems until later on.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on March 03, 2017, 09:25:05 PM
lookout usually works but a couple require various other emotes
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 04, 2017, 02:02:48 AM
Ok, logged on and did my daily GC crafts.  Couple of things I've noticed now after learning how crafting works.  First thing I noticed is that I can HQ a lot of things I craft.  Like out of the 6 or 7 class crafts, I HQ'd 4 or 5 of them, and that's without HQ mats to start with.  Which is nice since it doubles the XP gain for the turn-in.  It's also more fun making HQ items.

Also being able to make HQ items means you can craft stuff in your crafting logs for the XP (first time craft) and then sell them for a little cash since people will buy HQ gear if it's priced reasonably.

But, I didn't do my Goldsmith GC turn in.  First time I've skipped a turn-in, but to get the mats to make the i70 or something item it would've cost me about 40-50k and even just buying the item on the MB would've been 60k and I'm not spending 40-60k to get a little bit of turn in XP, no thanks.  My personal limit for a GC turn-in is spending like 5-6k gil and that's only for a HQ double xp turn-in.

So, if I keep playing and crafting, I think the most efficient strategy for leveling my crafters at this point would be to:

-Do my daily turn-ins for my crafters who are between lvl.35-50 to get them all to 50 and get the cross-craft skills
-One my leves climb back up and one day when I'm bored I should just grind MIN from 41-50 & then BOT from 39-50 so I can get access to the lvl.50+ mats without having to pay insane amounts on the MB
-Once I hit that point, I should be able to gather my own mats and craft them and go back to doing my daily GC turn-ins without having to spend more than 5-6k and that'll take me to either lvl.56 -> blue scrips, or take me to lvl.60 just from GC turn-in xp

I'm kinda hesitant to spend much gil right now and I'm just selling, selling, selling because after I spent probably about 2 million gil yesterday dropping my total from 7.5 million to 6 million (since I sold about 500k yesterday), I kinda want to get back to 7.5-8 million before spending again.  I'm guessing the next time I'll need to spend $$$ is when my MIN hits lvl.50 and I need to gear them up so I can get HW mats for my lvl.50+ crafters.

lookout usually works but a couple require various other emotes

Ah, thanks.  I'll have to faq it. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on March 04, 2017, 04:03:31 AM
crafting a separate game mang
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 10, 2017, 01:38:25 AM
Well, got Miner to 51 so I can Mine HW mats since most are too expensive on the MB for lvl.51+ crafting.  But yeah, takes a lot of work!  Like to get 1 mythrite ingot you need 5 mythrite sands which is like an entire gathering attempt + mythril ore (zzz) and the 4 mythrite ore (which is like another gathering attempt).  This stuff will definitely be much more worth doing when I get my Miner retainer to lvl.51+ and gear them up so they can go gather all this stuff for me on an hourly basis.  Doing it myself is too much of a pain in the butt, but at least if I need some mats for lvl.51-55 crafting I can get it myself.

Next up is getting my Botanist from lvl.40->51 and then all my gatherers are 51+, my non-51+ crafters are hitting lvl.38ish right now from GC turn-ins.  Will be nice when all my crafters/gathers are 50+ and I can ditch all the <50 crafting/fielding gear that takes up a bunch of my armory.

Since I'm not really playing FFXIV right now due to Zelda/Nier/SRW/etc..., I think by the time I come back and play HW for real with my NIN, I should have all my crafters/gathers at 50 at this rate since it'll probably be another month or two.

Oh yeah, and today is the 3.55B update, so is that the end of the HW MSQ for you all?  Good stuff?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on March 10, 2017, 03:41:56 PM
I thought this release just put the diadem back in?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 10, 2017, 03:54:44 PM
I have no idea, I don't read patch notes since I'm not that far.  But they keep patching it lately...
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on March 11, 2017, 02:40:21 PM
fyi bebs i left the fc because my old one reformed. you are more than welcome to join up!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 11, 2017, 02:59:29 PM
:(

Well, I hardly ever talk to anyone in the FC.  And no one is ever there to help out.  And I don't have access to the garden.  I pretty much just use the FC for the materials seller which is useful when crafting. 
I get kinda jealous when I hear duckroll talk about the huge GAF FC on Ultros and how it's so big that whenever you need anyone for a pf, you'll instantly get a full group of people willing to join up and play with you.  He just did the final 2 dungeons of the MSQ and he got a gaf group that went through both no cutscene skipping so he got the full experience.

I remember doing Coil I'd ask our FC for people when doing pfs and not even one person ever joined :\

I'm almost tempted to change servers and join the GAF FC.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on March 11, 2017, 03:42:45 PM
yeah that one was almost always silent. this one i rejoined is still small and not always talkative, but it has people that are willing to help out a lot. as a matter of fact someone is creating hq items for me right now to help me use leves to zip to 50 on a couple classes. but if you want to change servers thats cool too. I'm just a less social person so I like it quiet a lot.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: SpeedStats on March 12, 2017, 05:04:27 AM
Relic #2 (ninja) is done. Thanks to Sunblade and another tank we have hanging around in our FC for tanking my shit. Swapped to tank, no questions asked, to speed up my queues.

(https://abload.de/img/ashasunblade03_12_201mdj4k.png)

My windmill book will always have a place in my heart.

(https://abload.de/img/ashasunblade03_12_201o7jxs.png)

Two more to do (WHM, BRD), but I'm taking a break when Nier gets here.

god i want nier to get here soon ;~;

Sunblade and I did new Diadem as both Gatherers and DoM/DoW.  It's... still kind of the same, just with more direction I guess? It's nice that there are objectives, but while they feel worthwhile in Gatherer Diadem, it feels like it gets a little in the way in Northern Thanalan Diadem?  I mean, part of me missed FATE trains in Northern Thanalan so it reminds me of that but it feels kind of rushy because you want to do your objective. But you also want to make room to do boss fates and you want to pop the Emergency Mission even if people are standing by the vendor doing nothing while you're doing all the work to pop it. It's a never ending train for 60 minutes and you get your objectives done in half that time.  We got matched with other couples from Hyperion in our party so it wasn't too bad I guess.

I love the gatherer version because you end up doing/capping scrips and gathering other stuff for crafting while completing your objective, and then you can gather more stuff when you're done at the hidden nodes that revolve around.  I really enjoyed that one.  We got an Emergency Mission when we went to Gatherer Diadem for the first time, and since there were barely any of us in there, and we only had two tanks we only got past the headstone and nothing else. It was Day 1 so I guess people have the strategy figured out. I'm more than a little impressed I kept both of us alive because the headstone hurt like crazy. 

As for your server transfer, Bebpo, the game feels better when you play with people you enjoy talking to and doing content with.  If you feel like you're going to get more socially by transferring to Ultros, it's cool.  The only reason I'm on Hyperion is because Sunblade invited me to play with him and a bunch of us from GAF and elsewhere ended up joining the same server by coincidence.  I feel better in our smaller FC because I know everyone and I'm usually really quiet and shy around new people so it fits me. You can always feel free to ask us for help though. Tbh we just farm for tomestones these days and die a little more inside.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 12, 2017, 05:54:44 AM
Being in an FC with more people I know would be nice, but I don't know most of the MMO people on gaf.  I probably wouldn't change servers or even FCs because then I'd lose my private room in my FC I've been building out :|  It's cool, I'll just use linkshell to hang out with you two and PT.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on March 12, 2017, 11:42:35 AM
i wish they would've kept battling and gathering groups separate groups, or just gotten rid of the time limit and made the area accessible by airship or something. tried to do the emergency mission and a ton of people just flat out said they wouldn't help and kept gathering :/ some people were speculating that ppl were purposely trying not to help, to keep more people from getting a 280 weapon, but who knows.

anyways we beat the tombstone and made it a ways into the next part, till some giant flaming lion thing came and murdered everything. seriously I was getting hit for like 60k damage. it was awesome and I want to go back.

also there was a cool fate that was a nice obscure throwback to ff6 so I of course loved it.

I'm sure I'll like diadem more once I can gather there, but right now I'm still having a ton of fun with it bc of all the new fate bosses. overall, feels like a pretty good update.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on March 13, 2017, 04:49:37 AM
This game is amazing and I love it so much, but it has so much content and stuff to do that I feel I'll never be able to do everything I want to do. I tried starting over twice, both on Ultros and Atomos. It's a fun game but it feels very lonely at times, because even though my whole FC lives in my timezone, I feel like they're not very chatty, ans also they're a bit serious in-game, lol.

Also, most people I know have played this way longer than me, or generally just have a lot more time to play than I do, so I always feel so far behind. And even though I'm just playing casually, I hate that feeling.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 13, 2017, 10:47:43 PM
Yeah, that's my experience too, but then I enjoy playing rpgs by myself so it doesn't bother me at all.  Only when I need to do MP content does having a quiet FC kinda suck.  The always behind stuff is always gonna be a thing, but I just figure one day I'll catch up to Sunblade and Speedstats and PT.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on March 13, 2017, 10:51:19 PM
You'll get there. The game has enough lulls between patches and is very good about letting people who hit the level cap be able to just jump straight to the current most recent gear rather than having to force their way through incremental stuff.

At the rate you're going, you'll end up beating the new Extreme primals before we even get to them. We've yet to clear any of the 3.0 EXses besides the first two.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on March 13, 2017, 11:16:52 PM
Sunblade, you're on Ultros? PT too? I know Bebpo is on Hyperion at least.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on March 14, 2017, 12:28:55 AM
nah we're all on hyperion, sorry :/
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on March 14, 2017, 12:31:12 AM
 :(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 14, 2017, 04:50:27 PM
So I know I've said this before, but I'm finally quitting FFXIV for real this time (sorta).  Had some light insomnia last night so was doing some crafting leves trade-ins, getting my crafters to lvl.45 and at the end I was like wtf am I doing.  Yeah, doing the daily GC crafting turn-ins is only like 45 mins a day of work, but when I only have 3-4 free hours each night, that's like a 1/4th of my free time spent every night just crafting and turning in.  At around 360 hours now and at least 1/3rd of that time has just been crafting.  That's like 120 hours that I could spent on more fun things to do.  And what have I gotten out of my 120 hours+ of crafting/gathering?  Nothing really.  I haven't made any money (in fact considering I spend 100k-300k a day on mats, I've probably spent 10-20 million gil; I'd probably be much in-game richer if I never get into crafting at all), haven't made any cool items outside a couple of minions, etc... the only drive has been that one day when I hit the level cap at 60 the crafting jobs will be useful. 
...but by the time I get there SB will be out and then it'll be lvl.70 and being lvl.60 will be sorta useless.  If SB wasn't coming out so soon I'd be more motivated.

Anyhow, I deleted FFXIV last night.  I'm gonna take that daily hour back for my life.  After I finished Zelda/Nier and some other small stuff I'll re-install it and play through HW->3.5 and all the combat content with my NIN.  But I'm over the crafting/gathering/2nd jobs/etc.... I'll just stick with my ninja and enjoy going through the content for the rest of FFXIV's life.  This was my first MMO and being a completionist I got way too into doing everything, but that's just a bad bad idea for time efficiency in MMOs. 

Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on March 14, 2017, 05:27:16 PM
i only crafted when I was hardcore raiding. Culinarian was essential for raid food. Other than that, screw crafting!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on March 14, 2017, 07:17:32 PM
you'll be back! no one can stay away forever. no one!

but yeah dude priorities. do the msq and some other stuff you find fun. don't waste a bunch of time on grinding out side content.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: SpeedStats on March 15, 2017, 05:16:55 PM
So I know I've said this before, but I'm finally quitting FFXIV for real this time (sorta).  Had some light insomnia last night so was doing some crafting leves trade-ins, getting my crafters to lvl.45 and at the end I was like wtf am I doing.  Yeah, doing the daily GC crafting turn-ins is only like 45 mins a day of work, but when I only have 3-4 free hours each night, that's like a 1/4th of my free time spent every night just crafting and turning in.  At around 360 hours now and at least 1/3rd of that time has just been crafting.  That's like 120 hours that I could spent on more fun things to do.  And what have I gotten out of my 120 hours+ of crafting/gathering?  Nothing really.  I haven't made any money (in fact considering I spend 100k-300k a day on mats, I've probably spent 10-20 million gil; I'd probably be much in-game richer if I never get into crafting at all), haven't made any cool items outside a couple of minions, etc... the only drive has been that one day when I hit the level cap at 60 the crafting jobs will be useful. 
...but by the time I get there SB will be out and then it'll be lvl.70 and being lvl.60 will be sorta useless.  If SB wasn't coming out so soon I'd be more motivated.

Anyhow, I deleted FFXIV last night.  I'm gonna take that daily hour back for my life.  After I finished Zelda/Nier and some other small stuff I'll re-install it and play through HW->3.5 and all the combat content with my NIN.  But I'm over the crafting/gathering/2nd jobs/etc.... I'll just stick with my ninja and enjoy going through the content for the rest of FFXIV's life.  This was my first MMO and being a completionist I got way too into doing everything, but that's just a bad bad idea for time efficiency in MMOs.

When you start playing again, just do the MSQ and concentrate a little more on battle classes.  If you end up doing your weekly challenge log even just a little you can make some money just by fulfilling the minimum requirements for it. By the time you finish the MSQ and start levelling up other battle classes, you'll have done those those awful moogle quests in Churning Mists to unlock the crafting beast tribe in HW.  You can get Glass Fibres easy from them to sell on the market board, and you get to level up your level 50 crafters easily enough.  But definitely get the MSQ out of the way and continue doing it into the patch content so you don't burn out on the game's frills like crafting and gathering.  A lot of options open up to you and become dramatically easier when you have at least one class at 60 since you can go anywhere and many level 60 quests open up to you.  The weekly Wondrous Tails at level 60 is a good way of getting tomes to gear up, and to get stuff to make money from.  Same with the crafter/gatherer equivalent which was added in 3.55.

XIV was my first MMO since stuff like RuneScape, and I'm enjoying it a lot more because I feel like I can go at my own pace and no one really gives a shit about how slowly or how quickly I'm going.  If I'm getting way too into a grind, Sunblade thankfully tells me to cut it out, then we go to netflix n chill.  Just remember that you /don't/ have to do everything. If it's more beneficial to you to focus on one thing at a time, go for it. I did that when I worked in a hospital lab while finishing up school with limited free time last year, and I was pretty happy with my progress in-game at that point.

When I started crafting for profit, I ran into similar issues: I spent too much on materials and I ended up not getting as many returns on it. Now I... uh, make more money than Sunblade does.  This is fine because we're saving up for a house in Stormblood, I guess? I don't know what he thinks of it lol.  What I ended up learning early was that even just the tiniest earning contributes a lot to your overall funds. If people keep undercutting on the market board, even if the undercutting is crazy obnoxious, it's fine.  I made my initial 15 million on crafting mats and orchestrion rolls (either acquired from Aquapolis, raids, or mats I made myself).  I learned early that people don't like making their own crafting mats, and while it's tiny money at first, it starts adding up. Another idea is to stick to a gil threshold.  My current one is 32-33 mil, and I refuse to spend money to go below that, even on mats. If I'm at that threshold, I suck it up and gather my own mats. I also learned that going through your crafting logs and crafting everything in there expends more money than you want depending on the market.  People hate getting mats and just buy the mats off the board, so that's a good option to start with. It's slow, but it's a consistent profit. I have other strats, but that's mostly looking at the market board every now and then every day to see where material or gear shortages are.

That's even with the big hit that the market board took since 3.4/3.5 due to PotD drops/Diadem drops.  PotD drops screwed a lot of crafters/desynthers, so a lot of us had to look elsewhere for profit.  I used to craft High Allagan Replicas, Primal Weapons, etc for profit, and I used to desynth a lot of stuff for BC3s, FC3s, or demimateria.  But since PotD hands HQ sets out like candy, several of my profit avenues were cut.  So I do more market research than I did before.  I don't make glamour prisms because at least 2-3 people on our server monopolize that market and it's funny to watch. 

Definitely taking time off doesn't hurt.  Take a month or two off and you'll be able to catch up if you focus on MSQ and NIN.  I took 1-3 months off from heavy play in Oct-Dec since I was studying for my medical exam at the time, and I was pretty happy coming back.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 14, 2017, 03:34:06 PM
Got my Encyclopedia Eorzea in the mail today.  Really should get back and finish HW before SB. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on April 14, 2017, 04:17:40 PM
you should, especially since the encyclopedia covers up to 3.3. and, y'know, stick to the main stuff and save the grinding for when you're bored :p
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: bluemax on April 14, 2017, 07:47:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AdIYbtK2XQ
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on April 15, 2017, 03:36:58 PM
How long does 3.56 MSQ take to run through?

I'm not sure if I'll come back for the SB release given that I've had Zelda for 3-4 weeks and I'm not halfway done with it yet, nevermind Persona 5 and Nier sitting on the shelf, but I'd like to finish up HW and come to SB after a patch or two.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on April 15, 2017, 04:10:24 PM
just 3.56? like... two hours at most maybe? iirc it's just some single-player battles and a bunch of cutscenes.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on April 16, 2017, 11:16:48 AM
That seems odd to split off into its own patch. Not much of a carrot.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on April 16, 2017, 03:15:36 PM
yeah it was kinda odd. not sure why it wasn't included in 3.5; i figure either the cutscenes weren't done or they just wanted to have SOMETHING to fill the big gap before summer.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: bluemax on April 17, 2017, 02:04:07 PM
Played most of the weekend, making use of 2 of my 4 free days of play. Finished the Sylph story and finally got one job to 30 and unlocked my first "job". Also got my chocobo, which makes travelling a bit easier. Kinda wish I could turn off Chocobo music to listen to area music instead sometimes.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on April 17, 2017, 02:32:56 PM
you can and should turn it off. i think it's under the audio tab.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 17, 2017, 03:42:50 PM
Yeah, I didn't realize you could for a long long time, and afterwards I realized I'd never really heard half of the area BGMs since I was always on my chocobo in them.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: bluemax on April 17, 2017, 05:29:55 PM
Oh nice, well next time I play in 6 months I'll try to remember that.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on April 18, 2017, 11:29:52 AM
i take choco taxis all the time bc I'm cheap. i would have died if I hadn't found that option.

in other news, I finally beat the hard version of Heavensward's final boss! holy shit that was a motherfucker, even with current gear and the echo. people who beat that on release are GODS bc that's one of the most complicated fights I've come across in a game.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on April 28, 2017, 03:39:16 PM
they mentioned more changes in 4.0, including:

-A FUCKING AETHERITE CRYSTAL IN THE ULDAH MARKETS YESSSS
-SERIOUSLY WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE FINALLY A FUCKING AETHERITE
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on April 28, 2017, 03:43:32 PM
ok but for real, we got:

pspro support
running no longer takes tp
spearfishing
eastern emojis
an app for chat and the market board
30th anniversary event
changes to specialist actions in crafting
can bring squadrons into dungeons
140 slots for inventory and 35 for armory
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 28, 2017, 06:04:56 PM
Wait, can take squadrons into dungeons aka game is now single player??
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on April 28, 2017, 06:44:01 PM
i don't know bc i didn't really see details beyond that. they said it wouldn't be implemented till a later patch, like 4.1. i gotta imagine there's a catch; can't imagine they'd program fully-functional ai for a feature that would fuck up matchmaking.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 28, 2017, 06:48:54 PM
Yeah, seems unlikely.  Would be nice for nights I'm too tired to socialize and just want to blow through chunks of the MSQ.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on April 28, 2017, 06:58:52 PM
they mentioned more changes in 4.0, including:

-A FUCKING AETHERITE CRYSTAL IN THE ULDAH MARKETS YESSSS
-SERIOUSLY WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE FINALLY A FUCKING AETHERITE
This honestly makes me consider playing again. :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Lucretius on April 28, 2017, 07:29:45 PM
Still no teleport to Vesper Bay though. 
  :'(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on April 28, 2017, 09:00:51 PM
they'll never budge in that. sure would be nice if they pointed out the boat from limsa to new players tho.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on May 22, 2017, 05:12:43 PM
http://www.novacrystallis.com/2017/05/letter-producer-live-xxxvi-summary/

Lots and lots of stormblood system changes from today's live letter, but some pertinent ones:

Bebpo's complaints about PVP were heard:
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So, the PvP will change thusly: any job over Level 30 can participate. Your PvP attributes will be determined by your battle role. Gear has been changed to glamour only. There will also be a new PvP Hotbar for each Job, so that you don’t have to mess with your hotbars when doing PvP content. When you zone into the Wolves’ Den Pier — your hotbars will automatically change to PvP Mode.

PvP actions are now PvP specific. Each job will get nine actions, and two selectable actions from a pool of other actions, three Traits, as well as Adrenaline Rush. This will allow them to adjust PvP without affecting PvE balance. Direction requirements for melee DPS have been removed. Consolidated combos will also free up hotbar space for more maneuverability and less complexity.

PvE Mechanic Changes:

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— Parry has changed to “Tenacity” which will increase damage dealt and mitigate damage received.
— Accuracy has been removed as we know it and has been changed to Direct Hit. Hitting an enemy from the front will be 100%, but at the flank this will be higher — say 110%, 120%. Having the Blind or Accuracy Down status will reduce this rate, so be sure to cleanse it. Direct Hit will trigger more often than a Critical Hit; if they land at the same time it’ll look exciting. Heaven’s Eye materia will be changed from Accuracy to Direct Hit.
— Piety has been demoted to a sub-attribute; it’ll still have the same effect of increasing MP. It’ll be re-attributed on gear with Piety, which will only be available for healers.
— Tank damage calculation will be returned to Strength instead of Vitality, but accessories have been changed to be role-specific so tanks cannot equip DPS accessories.
— Healers have a new role action called “Rescue” which will allow you to yank another player out of danger.

The individual job specific UI for each job:

(http://i.imgur.com/S4ie7Rb.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/MqGDxWa.jpg)

Trailer showcasing new/altered actions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSdfPXFGuw0

Obligatory new summoner toy:

(http://i.imgur.com/88Lf2IK.gif)



Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on May 22, 2017, 05:39:11 PM
been playing a lot of pvp lately so I'm suuuuuper excited about the changes! also the new ui gauges are the upgrade I never knew I always wanted.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on May 22, 2017, 09:56:40 PM
NIN, SMN, SAM (maybe MNK) look to be the winners there.

RDM building via cast / spending via melee is kind of uninteresting despite being flashy.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 22, 2017, 10:34:03 PM
Looks sweet!

Almost ready to jump back into HW!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on May 23, 2017, 05:52:16 AM
I wanna get back into this game, but I don't wanna be a tank anymore. Can anyone recommend a good DPS class for solo process? But something that also works well in party. Both ranged and melee is fine with me, if I can't be picky. But maybe ranged would be preferred. Something good for survival, and pulling, maybe.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on May 23, 2017, 03:28:33 PM
Its hard to give a good rec when a lot of the jobs are having seemingly drastic retoolings for Stormblood, but Dragoon is a good, solid DPS choice for Melee and Bard / Machinist are the go to ranged jobs, all three of which are great in parties.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 28, 2017, 01:28:02 AM
Logged on for the first time in a few months and PT was online! :) Was a nice welcome back :D

First thing I did after logging on (well, after spending 15 minutes trying to remember my login credentials), was go to my retainers and sell EVERYTHING in my 4 retainers inventory + my character inventory outside of battle equipment & unsellable/untradeable unique items. All Mats GONE. Once 2 of them finish selling the bulk on the AH, I'm gonna go remove them from my account and just stick to a hunting retainer & mining retainer to grab stuff to sell.

This time around I'm ignoring the crafting/gathering game/jobs completely and my sub-jobs completely and just going to play the story + sidequests as my NIN to catch up for SB and then I'll do the same in SB. Going to try to avoid burnout this time around by avoiding grind stuff. 

Did a few MSQ and sidequests and it was nice being back. Was in Tailfeather and progressed a bit through that and it's a nice map. Really like the music.

Will be cool if I can get to SB before SB comes out just to experience for the first time the experience of a packed with players area all around the same level hanging out and doing FATEs together. That seems like it'd be a lot of fun, but I've always been behind the boat since I jumped in. Gotta catch up!

When does the SB early access period start? Do we know yet?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 30, 2017, 01:18:50 PM
Sorry PT and Sunblades, world transfered over to Ultros this morning so I could play with duckroll whose around the same story point as me. Might change back later on if I'm unhappy on Ultros. Just with Hyperion didn't really have any social stuff going on and was pretty much a SP game the entire time, so it'd be nice to have people to play with.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on May 30, 2017, 01:43:19 PM
no prob bebs. good luck out there!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on May 30, 2017, 08:55:51 PM
Looking to buy a Medium house by the time housing becomes available because people are literally throwing hundreds of thousands of gil on cheap-to-make minions.  8)

I have an alt on ultros but never joined the guild lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 31, 2017, 01:32:50 AM
Beat Ravina. Have no idea what was going on but somehow survived. First time we wiped in the 2nd phase where suddenly everyone was dead except me and the tank and then we died because no healers. No one talked so I had no idea why everyone else suddenly died but on the 2nd run they didn't die and we won  :yeshrug

Got to Sohm Ai dungeon. Will queue up for it the next time. Almost have enough wind aetherys to fly in Dravonia. Just missing 1 quest one and 1 map one but there's a big chunk of the map in the upper left that I haven't explored yet. Music was really nice in this place.


Hey, considering where I am in HW, if I casually play just the MSQ, am I going to be able to finish HW->3.5 in about 3 weeks when SB comes out? Or is that a lot of content and I'll need to play a lot to get all that done in 3 weeks?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on May 31, 2017, 08:46:13 AM
you might not get it all done, but you'll prolly be close. I felt like the patch msq were shorter bc they had less filler bullshit like the 2.x ones did. you still got a ways to go in hs tho.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 31, 2017, 09:26:17 PM
Did Sohm Al, was alright. Now I can fly in Forelands, yay.

So its interesting seeing the difference between server populations. I'm finding on Ultros v Hyperion:

-It's much harder to make money on Ultros. The AH markets are crap for everything and stuff selling for 500-1k is selling for like 100 gil on Ultros. Way more competition and it doesn't seem like there's a lot of crafters buying right now. Not sure how I'll make money besides the 8k from daily trial roulette. Right now I don't need money since I'm done with crafting, but when I do need money this could be an issue, dunno.

-Queues seem about the same.

-I haven't played enough to do a proper sample, but the couple of random teams I've matched with in DF on Ultros seem a lot more new players, non-talking players, dumb players. On Hyperion I felt like every time I did DF, 3/4ths or at least 1/2 the team were pros and knew exactly what to do and explained it to everyone. On Ultros I feel like I get 1 person who knows what they're doing and they may give a few comments if asked and then everyone else just kinda wings it. It may be that there's more new people playing on Ultros (GAF probably brings a chunk in?) vs Hyperion is like everyone is lvl.60 pro community. It's gone ok so far (kinda taking a little longer on trials/dungeons than I'm used to), but on tough stuff I may need to do PF with people from the GAF FC if the DF won't cut it here.

Anyhow, I like Hyperion better, but I'll see how this goes.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: SpeedStats on June 02, 2017, 10:38:15 PM
Sorry to see you go, Bebpo. I have heard some oddball urban legends about Ultros (and the GAF FC via other boards--they had an infamous bad rep for a while but I'm not sure if they still do... they're one of the bigger FCs on that server), but what you said kinda lines up. In general, most message boards (ign, chan, gb, gaf, etc) play on the server so there are more new folks than old.

As for catching up for Stormblood, when I was catching up through ARR for HW, I finished the 2.0 quests a few hours before maint. Then I did the patch content during early access, and we had discovered that they added gear to each quest for people to catch up with so they didn't have to grind it out. They might do that again, so if you'd like you can definitely wait until EA just to do the HW patch 3.1-3.56 stuff. No rush since they might do the same thing. If you just stick to the MSQ for 3.x, it won't take long really. 

As for Stormblood, I think I'll just stick with what I got: SCH/NIN/BRD/WHM.  New Bard is a new class basically (oh boy learning Bard for the third time!!!), and Scholar/Ninja are kind of the same.  I... also main White Mage, uh...  yeah idk. I always thought White Mage was the most balanced healer of the three, and nothing in their toolkit ever really went to waste. Their 50-60 kit was one of the best of the HW jobs. From what I see in Stormblood, their kit is still balanced but some of the new skills force you to play the way you don't play white mage. WHM still looks to be the Queen of AoE out of the three healers but I'm displeased with the tools they gave us otherwise. I'm not really compelled to play the new jobs right away until I finish up my main classes but Samurai looks better than it originally did. I had zero interest before the Very Merri video for it.

Meanwhile Astrologian seems to have gotten buffed up the butt again (to the point where their shields rival Scholar's or might even better!) so I'm doing my AST relic even harder now. What a shame. It's not a thing the class needed overall, and I was hoping they'd get rid of the hybrid garbage and make it its own class with a focus on buffs like it should've been all along. :/
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 03, 2017, 01:48:17 AM
Yeah, my only worry is I don't want to miss the boat by a month or two and then everyone's moved on and I have to wait another two years. Like going through these HW areas like Churning Mists now, they're ghost empty and so the fates are basically dead unless you just want to solo them which is zzz. I can just imagine how cool it would have been to be going around these areas with dozens of hundreds of others stumbling across and joining big Fate groups along the way. I've never seen anywhere outside of the three original cities and quarrymill full of people and I'd really like to see map areas populated.

I also want to start SB at 60 and it's funny but I want to be constantly level locked in the MSQ. Why? Because I feel like I'd really like to take the story & exploration more slowly and stop and do all the "!" quests as they unlock along the way to explore the areas out, spend more time and learn more about the NPCs. Since I'm still catching up on the MSQ and overleveled having come into HW at 55 from 2.0-2.5 content, there's not a lot of motivation to take my time and do small quests and then later on after the story arc is done it's hard to get motivated to do them. It feels like the perfect pacing is to do them along the way as you go through the journey.

I just unlocked the Aery, lvl.55 dungeon in MSQ, so I'm guessing I'm about halfway through 3.0's story. I should finish it no problem before SB comes out, so after that I'll be rushing through 3.1-3.5 as fast as I can to get to SB before everyone beats the story and leaves the map fields. Unlike 2.1-2.5 where I did everything, Coil, Crystal Tower, all hard dungeons, extreme bosses. I'll probably skip Alexander, the 24-man raid, hard dungeons & extreme bosses and only do the 3.1-3.5 MSQ, get to SB, do SB's MSQ and then go back and do all the 3.1-3.5 optional content while waiting for the 4.1-4.5 content to roll out.

It's not the most normal progression order, but it's probably the best chance I have to join the exploring SB with thousands of other players experience which I'm guessing only last about a month or two after an expansion's release.

Idk, for those who were there at HW's release, how long did the HW maps stay populated and people out doing Fates before they all disappeared and you only saw people in cities and dungeons?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 03, 2017, 02:28:03 AM
people move on whenever a new patch is released. i think 4.1 won't be out til winter at the earliest, so you have plenty of time. i still dont think you'll see tons of people out doing fates or whatever, but there'll still be people around that you can recruit or whatever if you really wanna do some.

i dunno, i just dont want you to get your hopes up too much that youll see a lot more organic grouping when you catch up :lol in my experience, going thru current content means seeing a shitload of people that stand around the questgiver, plus a bunch more teleporting or summoning mounts when they're finished. they rush to the quest location, trigger whatever, then ride back and finish the quest. the end. people still end up using pf to group up; it's just easier when it's current content because you'll find more people that are interested in what you're doing.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 03, 2017, 03:59:35 AM
Yeah, I may have an idealistic view of what an MMO is like playing current content since I've never played an MMO before this, so this will be my first time playing one in an area that's new and current.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on June 03, 2017, 04:16:14 AM
People will basically be populating the maps for FATEs and junk for as long as they have jobs to level. It'll be a while since SB is raising everything to 70.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/6ezipv/356_heavensward_combat_gearing_guide_and_content/

Linking this for you to reference once you've beaten 3.0's story. Absolutely look into the Void Ark 24 man raid series once you're there, since its the quickest way to gear up for Stormblood and people are still running all three raids for that purpose.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 03, 2017, 05:18:37 AM
Hmmm, I thought everyone just does PoTD to level second jobs.

So the gist I'm getting is 1-2 months after HW's launch there were still a good amount of people seen in the HW areas? Because I figure even if I do Void Ark & Alexander, I should be at SB by like a month after its release.

I guess the only other fun thing about being day 1 to new content is getting in a new dungeon or trial and someone says "mechanics?" Amd basically everyone in the party throws up their hands, says "idk, first time" and then rushes in and dies and learns some stuff as the fight goes along.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on June 03, 2017, 12:55:37 PM
People will be around SB's areas for a few months, yeah. They only get vacated once the things to do in them dry up, which wont be for a while. The 3.X MSQ is much more lean than ARR's, so you can totally reach Stormblood before Early Access on the 16th. I'm just mentioning the Void Ark raids since its the quickest way to gear up for the MSQ, because they changed the loot from the CT raids so every boss drops two chests vs a single one, making it easier to grab stuff for your class.

PotD only really applies for Level 50-60. There won't be an equivalent to it in Stormblood at launch, and Stormblood leveling dungeons and the level 60-70 FATEs will likely give more experience than POTD does, since its capped at 60.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 04, 2017, 03:22:37 AM
Finished The Aery, all the cool story stuff, The Vault, and now back sea of clouds Vanu tribe. Really colorful!
Some good story bits in there, I didn't really like Dragoon dude and thought he was angsty but after The Aery I like him now. BLOOD ARMOR.
Feels kinda good when you finish a dungeon and all 3 other players give you a commendation :heart being nice and friendly and hugging everyone seems to go a long way
 :-*
HW is a pretty good rpg adventure so far. I feel like I'm getting closer to the end, but even if there's not a ton left I'm happy with the size of the expansion. Feels like a full rpg story arc.

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(http://i.imgur.com/OHfWs6Q.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/IICrEjD.jpg)

RIP BUDDY ELVEN DUDE
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Re: The Ul'Dah 2.5x arc resolution in HW:

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While they wrapped it up ok, I kinda wish they'd actually killed off the Sultana because it feels like it'd have more world impact instead of everything being the same now with her back. Like being an MMO it sorta feels like nothing can ever change with the default cities because it's an MMO.

I also think it'd be cool if they went even further/darker and really killed off all the Scions at the end of 2.55 along with Sultana. Like dead dead. That'd be a pretty great end to the opening chapter of the MC & Alpha-elf's story that they lose everything and have to start fresh and rebuild. But FFXIV is still fairly generic and happy storytelling for teens, so of course no one other than little side characters or evil bad guys actually dies.
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Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on June 04, 2017, 08:25:51 PM
A smile better suits a hero.  :japancry

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The Uldah resolution was pretty weak, but I didn't mind it because Nanamo/Raubahn are my favorite City leaders.  :lol You'll get the deaths/consequences you're asking for soon enough.
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Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 04, 2017, 09:06:17 PM
Bismark was fun! The first time I wiped right away because no one told me anything and I got stunned and knocked off in a combo >< Then I watched the team fight for 15 mins since it took 2 full attack waves to take out his back and then they couldn't kill him in 1 so they were about to get their 4th attack on him when they lost a healer and then a tank and then wiped.

The next attempt I didn't fall off and we took out his back thing in one go and then took him out in one go because we had enough DPS with myself included this time. Was nice because I actually got to do the fight and feel useful! :)

Was kinda neat how the fight is a mix of Leviathon x Titan x Garuda.

Then the troll cutscene when your about to go to the final area and then OH WAIT THERE IS A MAGIC WALL AGAIN, NOPE TIME TO GO BACK TO ISHGARD  :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 05, 2017, 10:55:23 AM
yeah some of that 2.5 resolution was comic book level bullshit that really cheapens the story imo. I still like it overall and there was only one plot point afterwards that really made me roll my eyes.

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also r.ip. Haurchefant  :'(
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Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 06, 2017, 01:14:30 AM
Here I thought I was at the end of HW at the sea of clouds after Bismark. Final dungeon appeared and all. Was just gonna wrap it up over a couple nights and move into 3.X

Then WOAH DRAVANIA HINTERLANDS :O Entire another area outta nowhere! (that looks like a PS2 game) And then Idyllshire! New unexpected city and there's tons of people in it!! :O (except that it tanks the framerate and looks like a PS2 area)
Yeah, HW is very substantial. When I think "expansion" I think like some 30 hour gaiden thing. This is a complete adventure with lots of cool stuff. Seeing all the turn-in systems and loot/gear makes me a little sad that I missed all the ARR turn-in stuff and all the HW turn-in stuff (where you're slowly upping your gear 10 ilevels at a time per patch). At least I'll finally be there for SB post-MSQ turn-in gear. Hope the post-MSQ content is great in SB!

Really excited for SB now if it'll have this much content. Pretty glad I was in the dark about HW and knew nothing about it besides Ishgard and Dragoons vs Dragons. Will try my best to stay in the dark about SB. All I know is it's Ala Migo & Japan and there's some Japanese-style bosses.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 06, 2017, 09:55:49 AM
the Hinterlands looks like a ps2 area? sir please you wound me
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 06, 2017, 03:52:21 PM
I can see that. Some cool bits, but I think concessions made for flying make the HW zones look worse overall than the ARR ones.

I will miss out on early access/launch =(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 06, 2017, 03:56:56 PM
Bebpo one thing you'll probably dig that you missed out on (assuming they do it again) is the final hub (Mor Dhona and Idyllshire thus far) began as settlements/ruins and expanded gradually with each patch.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 06, 2017, 04:17:04 PM
why you missing early access?

also while I think the geometry of the hs maps is simpler, I like them a lot more just bc the overall art design is extremely good, and there's a lot of neat like areas of interest all over each map. it was a lot of fun exploring them for the sightseeing log.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 06, 2017, 04:19:21 PM
Oh, Hinterlands looks better than I thought. Sometimes the time of day/weather/flat lighting does areas no favors when you first go to them. I like the second half of the map visually a lot more.
That's cool about Mor Dhona/Idyllshire expanding each patch. Hope they do that again in SB so I can see it happen in real time. I should google some vids of how those places originally looked.

Unlocked the great libary dungeon, so will do that next time. I have the Vath and Zundu beast tribes unlocked so I looked up how to unlock the Moogle beast tribe and wtf at 20+ normal quest chain to get to it...yeah, fuck that. I'll do it after SB at some point.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 06, 2017, 04:43:23 PM
told you this game would make you hate moogles if you let it. :p I do all a town's sidequests before I move on, and the moogles have like 80 quests, all about hide and seek out some bullshit. I was so ready to leave churning mists after all that.

in the other hand all the beast tribes are much improved. you only do three quests max instead of 9 like 2.0, and flying makes it take only a few minutes at most. very worth doing.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 06, 2017, 05:21:45 PM
Yeah I enjoy the new races in this game. Very good job on them. I think all the beast tribes add a lot of flavor to the world since they're all very fantasy. Was surprised the beast tribe quests weren't part of 3.0. Like I get they were part of 2.X but I thought that's just because they added a lot of stuff post-game. Now that beast tribes are part of the FFXIV formula, just assumed they'd be unlocked as you meet the tribes in the MSQs.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 06, 2017, 07:56:18 PM
why you missing early access?

Will be in Vegas for a week/EDC. Not complaining...I'll be back like a day after it comes out so not too bad and hopefully any server issues or whatever are ironed out.

I haven't really been playing, just dicking around with crafting turn ins while I send my retainer on ventures...something I never did for some reason. I really need to go back and unlock the moogle beast tribe quests, I tried to do it one day but there are so many in the chain I couldn't find where I stopped at. May have been drinking.  :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 07, 2017, 02:40:50 AM
Great Library dungeon was...great! Really good BGM and the bosses were all cool puzzle bosses. Felt like the 2.X dungeons. Had a good team too so it was a lot of fun. Also solid challenge too on the boss fights. The cutscenes after and when entering the final area were really good. Feels up there with the mainline FFs at this point.

At the final map now, a little over halfway through lvl.59. Should work out just right for catching up with MSQ levels. Need to do the final area stuff, then the final 2 job quests (58/60) for NIN and then final dungeon(s)/trials(s). Probably will finish it this week!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 07, 2017, 11:41:01 PM
now that i've got a pc, i'm really tempted to rebuy the game. i was gonna wait, but nerd impulsiveness and all. i've heard getting it on another platform gets you a bonus free month, so that + arr for $10 via hardee's promotion + sb&hw for $32 on amazon prime = why the fuck not. only issue is that i won't be able to play it for another week and a half because the hw download will be tied to sb. well, that and i'm already spending $200 on the fucking collector's edition, but what's a few more bucks??
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 08, 2017, 12:26:35 AM
Got to the final dungeon but uh, that last map Azyl Lith or whatever gave almost no xp in its 6 quests. Was halfway through lvl.59 when I got there and barely past halfway to 60 now and last MSQ is locked :( I need 1.3 million more xp and these quests in the area only give 42k xp each.

So...I'm back at moghome and I'm gonna do the whole moogle trible unlock quest chain at 33k xp per quest and hopefully that gives me enough xp!

Kinda annoying how the final area doesn't have more xp in it to get you to the final dungeon.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 08, 2017, 01:10:35 AM
So, yeah even 20 moogle quests at 30k each is only 600k >< Did my dailies and a bunch of them and got from 2.5 million xp to 3 million xp, but I need ~3.9 million xp for lvl.60. What's the fastest way to get 900k? I'd like to do the final MSQ dungeon tomorrow but don't want to grind quests for 2+ hours. If my dailies get me close to 300k, that leaves 600k which is like 20 quests. In the last 30 mins I got 2 quests in Azylith and 4 moogle quests done, so maybe 10-12 quests an hour.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on June 08, 2017, 01:15:30 AM
Exactly two floor 51-60 Palace of the Dead runs will get you the one million xp you need (each run at level 59 gives ~580k). Can probably skim by with just one + a leveling roulette.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 08, 2017, 03:20:21 AM
Actually I accidentally noticed when I killed a hunt that they give a ton of xp! So I did the remaining rank 3 elite hunts from the last time I checked the board and got 50k xp each for a few hundred thousand. Then did the moogle tribe questline and it actually wasn't bad after the initial 4-6 go help moogles quests. Didn't mind the rest.

When I turned in the last mission before the tribe unlock I was 3k xp from lvl. 60  :lol and of course the unlock mission gives crafting xp :p but I killed a hunt on the way to my first moogle crafting quest and that pushed me over 60 :)

So just gotta do last lvl.60 job quest & final dungeon next.

Also, wtffffffffffffffff at what a joke, free levels moogle crafting tribe is. Not only are you not gimped like Ixali with fewer crafting points but you don't have to make HQ items wtfffffffffff this is a joke. Like why even bother spending money on GC turn ins or mats to make GC turn ins for post-lvl.50 crafters or collectibles when for free and in a few mins you can get tons of crafting XP each day. I guess this is basically them throwing a bone to crafters being a waste in general. Despite my anti-crafting/gathering commitment I made when I came back to FFXIV, I was weak and I've still been spending the first 30 mins every day doing all my GC turn-ins either buying or crafting them all ;_; After I catch up with the MSQ after Stormblood I may end up back in crafting... ;_;
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 08, 2017, 04:51:22 AM
So uh, since I had 8 million gil sitting around and a ton of centuro seals I spent some to see what I could do with my i139 newly lvl.60 character. Spent about 2.5 million of the 8, so I'll need to start selling again at some point.

Bought the best i255 weapon
Bought a i250 body armor
Bought an i250 ring
Bought an i250 arms
Geared the rest out in i200 artifact gear with my seals

jumped to i211 in about 30 mins from becoming level 60. I even tried a B-rank when I was ~i170 to see if I could do it and took it out and got 100 seals which helped get some of that stuff above. Right now the only things left below 200 are i150 legs, i150 feet and i185 face I bought before realizing I could turn in seals for i200 gear. I should have enough seals to replace all 3 with i200 artifact gear in 2 days of 3-star elite marks which I guess will get me to i220-i230 with above setup.

And this is before even getting into the lore turn-in stuff post-game :o HW certainly gives you a lot of ways to gear up quickly compared to ARR where you either do the lore turn-ins for 120->130 or you buy i115 stuff.

What ilevel do I need to be at to finish 3.55 and start SB? *edit* googled and it looks like the highest requirement is i235 for Dun Scaith? I think I should be able to get to i235 right away. At most I'll just need to buy another i250 piece of gear.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on June 08, 2017, 03:20:20 PM
The highest item level needed for Dungeons/Alexander i230,  and trials/raids is i235. You're p much there, tho you'd still wanna replace any gear you bought that isnt HQ since its only 2/3 as effective as HQ/Blue gear.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 08, 2017, 03:59:59 PM
It always feels so weird to gear up so fast after hitting 50/60. Looking forward to the slower more natural progression per patch post-70.

Finishing 3.0 tonight and SB in a week, getting excited :D
Still don't know if I'll get through 3.1-3.55 in a week (should've came back earlier), but I'll play a ton and try to do it so I can try out early access and hopefully get my first dungeon/trial experience of being in a df team where no one knows what to do yet and we just die over and over and learn as we go.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on June 08, 2017, 07:34:25 PM
Checked Ultros, it's even more dead at night than before I moved, so no hope there for me. Ended up on a Japanese server which seems full of life. Gonna force myself to find a decent FC and make friends - I'm always such a longer in MMOs and I think that takes away a lot of fun/user experience.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 08, 2017, 08:14:28 PM
That was my experience for the last few months on Hyperion until I just joined Ultros. Pretty much felt solo and empty outside a few times PT and Sunblades were on. Yeah, Ultros is deaaaaaaaaad by midnight PST. It's so crazy seeing tons of people at 8pm and then I'm playing at 11pm and the same places are ghost town empty. Duckroll plays on your timezone-1 (Singapore) on Ultros with the European gaf players, but yeah if I was in Japan I'd just play on a Japanese server since 90% of the game is single player anyhow.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 09, 2017, 02:36:35 AM
Finished the 3.0 story. The final dungeon was kinda of whatever compared to the awesomeness that was the 2.0 dungeon (even if it was a mess with the cutscene handling). I kinda feel ditching the cutscenes hurts it because like the empire general just jumps in and you have a boss fight and jumps out and there's no real plot to anything. Also you get to the center and then you just fight the same people you fought on the outside of the facility, was kinda non-dramatic. Also Ascians suck and are zzz. 3.0 did not do a good job keeping the 2.X Ascian plot momentum. It's like when they show up you go "oh yeah, these guys are in HW too" and then fight them yawn. 3.0 also didn't do a great job of the non-Ishgard stuff. Just seems like they had issues trying to manage multiple plot lines in a single story.

But, the Ishgard story was great and paced really well and very enjoyable. Was a great adventure and the final Knights of the Round boss was cool even if it's a joke difficulty-wise at this point. Hoping the Minstrel Ballad version has some challenge.

Unlocked a few 3.0 things, saw how the Tomes work and it seems getting to i230 will be super easy if you do all the optional stuff and maybe some i260 stuff too. Will unlock the rest of the + quests tomorrow and start on 3.1 and Alexander/Void Ark.

Also the NIN job quest 50-60 sucks. Which is a shame because I enjoyed the 1-50 job quest a good deal. 50-60 starts ok with ninja princess and goofy bodyguard but it's so boring and there's barely any real quests and the antagonist sucks. Hope the 60-70 NIN storyline is more substantial. I would've thought we'd have a 4th mudra by now since the lvl.50 job quest introduced it.

Overall 3.0 was great. Great areas, great music, good story. Looking forward to 3.X and the true ending to the HW story before SB.

Btw, does HW have anything like the Odin/Behemoth FATE map bosses?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on June 09, 2017, 07:04:52 AM
The Singularity Reactor was never a hard fight, its 100% a for show trial thats there as a spectacle to end 3.0 with.  :whew
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 09, 2017, 09:41:31 AM
and I can assure you that the extreme version is still a complete fucking bitch to clear.

hs has one major superboss fate, called couerlregina. I've only seen it once and it went down much easier than odin.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on June 09, 2017, 10:05:59 AM
Started another Thauma/going for BLM on a new server. What are the fastest way to level up? I don't care about the MSQs up until where I left off on my old BLM (7th Astra Era) unless I have to do them.

I'm only level 11 btw, started yesterday and intend on being super casual, but I'd like to level up fast especially since I've done it before.

Is FATE grinding worth it? What do I do up until level 15 when I can join dungeons? I guess I need to do the MSQ to get access to the Guildhests?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 09, 2017, 10:50:26 AM
1-20 do the uh hunt log thing... i forget what it's called but it has you tracking down monsters die each different class.
20-30 do fates in South shroud, and some potd for the last few levels.
low 30s do fates in east la noscea
res of the 30s to 40 do fates in Coerthas
40-50 dungeons, fates in North Thanalan once you hit 45 i think

that's prolly not the MOST efficient but it works well. also make sure you find the person in town with the leaf over their head and do all their training missions. you get a ring that boosts exp til lvl 30.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 09, 2017, 10:52:16 AM
actually now that I think about it, if this is your first class on a character, just do msq. you need it to unlock the guildhests, chocobo, travel, potd, and everything else.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on June 09, 2017, 12:05:04 PM
Thanks, that's what I was looking for. :3

Gonna just do the MSQs and the side stuff I need for various things.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 09, 2017, 03:05:44 PM
Yeah, you can just do MSQ and blue "+" quests and some sidequests here and there. I don't think the MSQ gives you enough xp to get through the whole thing on its own. There's parts in the 36-50 where I'm pretty sure it's still lacking. So it's not a bad idea to do some sidequests along the way.

Or alternatively, when you hit lvl.27? or something and you unlock Palace of the Dead in Quarrymill, just run that a bunch of times whenever you get level locked in the next MSQ.

After you hit lvl.50 and start 2.1->, I'd suggest doing the trial roulette every day until you get to 2.5. The trials that will show up in the roulette prior to 2.5 are super super short and you get like 20% of a level for a quick 5 min boss fight every day. After 2.5 there starts to be some longer 15-30 min trials you can unfortunately get but it's still worth doing most of the time because 20% of a level for 15-30 mins ain't bad when you need 4 million xp for the next level. In HW, the daily hunts give great xp to and are really quick and the beast tribes can always get you a bunch of xp fast. So it's pretty easy to level in HW with your first job.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 09, 2017, 08:59:01 PM
Alright, home for the weekend. Time to unlock all the 3.X content and start Alexander/Void ark and 3.1. Time to make some lattes.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on June 09, 2017, 11:22:16 PM
The biggest bump will probably be getting queues for the first two Alexander tiers, since there isnt much reason to go back and do them, Final Tier gets plenty of takers.

Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 10, 2017, 12:23:34 AM
Well, hopefully duckroll has assembled a team for all that stuff and I'll be joining in.

So I finished unlocking everything (I think) and is it weird that there's fewer lvl.60 dungeons and trials than lvl.50 dungeons and trials? I mean core games vs. expansion-aside, I would think in the patches of 3.1-3.5 they would be adding the same amount of content as 2.1-2.5 did in terms of adding like 3 dungeons per patch + a trial + a raid + other stuff.

Also now that I can get into PvP probably since I'm finally level 60. What's the difference between The Fold, The Feast and Frontlines? Are they are just team deathmatch 4v4?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 10, 2017, 12:32:01 AM
feast is 4v4 or 8v8 deathmatch + grabbing medals from enemy corpses. frontlines is 24 or 72 person team battles with objectives that vary by map. fold...isnt that the original vanilla deathmatch? does anyone play that anymore??

8v8 feast has a good population right now, so you can easily give that a shot. frontlines roulette is the only roulette i regularly do besides trials, because it's quick and it can sometimes be pretty fun.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 10, 2017, 12:37:38 AM
Cool, I'll try both! I looked at the wiki and apparently I missed unlocking the scholastic quests (I never knew there was a building you could go into in the pillars) and for some reason I can't find the HW hildebrand quest... otherwise I think I got them all and I'm ready to start 3.1 now.

I did some A rank map hunts, was a lot more fun in HW although too easy because tons of people come. It's weird though. On Hyperion everyone would say inv plz and get invited to parties so they get the full xp. But when I tried to say that in Ultros in HW people are like dude just make a pf or join one. But I made one and only 1 other dps joined so our 2 person + my chocobo party did it but we still got the full damage award. People didn't seem particularly helpful :|
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 10, 2017, 12:54:07 AM
hildy starts by the main aetherite iirc, but it didn't come out til 3.2 so maybe you have to go further in the msq.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 10, 2017, 01:16:39 AM
Thanks, found it. That and Schola~~~ questlines are normal "!" quests which is why I missed them.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on June 10, 2017, 01:17:26 AM
hildi should have opened once you beat the 3.0 MSQ.

(http://i.imgur.com/izrwdfa.png)

edit: im slo
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 10, 2017, 04:22:04 AM
The character redesigns are really good in HW/3.X

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Thancreed looks great as Nier cosplayer
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Was playing the game tonight on my TV, had played all of HW on my monitor. Running around the HW areas on a 50" tv with full surround sound...so good. These are really beautiful areas, I love the world of Heavensward.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 10, 2017, 04:51:58 PM
Blew through all 3 parts of the 24-person HW raid with duckroll and gaf crew over like 4-5 hours straight. Would not recommend doing that, all kinda a blur. Too much too fast :dizzy
Void Ark was pretty boring. At this point everything melts in seconds and there's no mechanics or patterns that matter so zzzz, Weeping city was good, had nice music and Ozma was cool; still kinda easy though and in no way compares to the epicness that was the Crystal Tower (still the best raid stage imo). Dun Scaith was good as well, I thought the first boss on the ship was actually the best/most fun mechanics-wise as a DPS since there were a lot of patterns to dodge which is what makes it fun as DPS. The final bosses were really strong (I swear I was taking 20k damage hits sometime and I don't have 20k HP) but nothing too interesting and the last boss of it all just felt like a grind. Was no Cloud of Darkness fight where you have to lead the tornados to the boss (or was it the opposite?).

The story was fun, but just a small little adventure sidestory. Didn't feel as interesting or epic, or even as connected to the main story/lore as Crystal Tower raid did. Maybe CT just set the bar too high with all the FF3 nostalgia, the best music ever, gorgeous crystal tower, awesome EMPEROR FIGHT and Cloud of Darkness and freaking Matrador Skeleton dude. HW's raid just felt like a weird FF8/9 mashup halloween party pirate adventure. I enjoyed it but just wasn't that memorable.

Also
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Fwiw, I would rather have had Diabolos as a trial that built off his dungeon boss fight than him getting his own raid. The dungeon boss fight with the magic doors tbh seemed more interesting than his raid fight.
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Up to i242 now and at the last quest I think of 3.1 so will get to 3.2 at least today.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 10, 2017, 04:58:54 PM
dun scaith is SUUUPER long, but it's still my favorite level in the game just because it doesn't really have trash mobs. fuck trash mobs all the way to hell. visuals for Mhach and Scaith were also insane. i wish to god they'd add a photography sidequest someday that'd let you wander around the dungeons snapping pics. about the story... i liked it but it definitely wasn't my favorite. Alex is noticeably worse story-wise, and a lot of players complained about it on release.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 10, 2017, 05:00:03 PM
oh and almost forgot: scholasticate story fucking sucks my god it's so boring
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 10, 2017, 05:00:17 PM
heavensward still rules tho
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 10, 2017, 05:04:07 PM
dun scaith is SUUUPER long, but it's still my favorite level in the game just because it doesn't really have trash mobs. fuck trash mobs all the way to hell. visuals for Mhach and Scaith were also insane. i wish to god they'd add a photography sidequest someday that'd let you wander around the dungeons snapping pics. about the story... i liked it but it definitely wasn't my favorite. Alex is noticeably worse story-wise, and a lot of players complained about it on release.

I actually thought Dun Scaith was short because it didn't have mobs and only like 3-4 boss fights. It's just that all the bosses have a ton of HP.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 10, 2017, 05:45:33 PM
if you have a team that doesn't know what they're doing, it can take a long long time. it has like a two hour time limit and I've been on teams that got close a few times. also did you fight an upgraded version of Ultima weapon there? I'm not sure if it was added later or if there's an extended version of the level.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 10, 2017, 09:15:21 PM
if you have a team that doesn't know what they're doing, it can take a long long time. it has like a two hour time limit and I've been on teams that got close a few times. also did you fight an upgraded version of Ultima weapon there? I'm not sure if it was added later or if there's an extended version of the level.

Yeah we did and people brought it up, apparently they replaced a succubus with it recently. Was a fun fight and my hero moment of the map when he did his I'm gonna wipe you all in 20 seconds countdown and I got resurrected at 5 seconds left, ran up and did a lb3 and killed him with like 2 seconds to go.

We probably took like 30 mins for Dun Scaith, but we got pretty close to wipe a few times. Since I was terrible and barely average item level and a few other gaf people were new we died a lot and the other teams really carried us on a few of the fights.

Btw, what do people call the HW raid? I mean the ARR one you can just call Crystal Tower/CT for the whole thing, but Void Ark/Weeping City/Dun Scaithe are all pretty different naming. I think I'll just call it the Void Ark raid unless people use something else.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on June 10, 2017, 11:54:02 PM
Completely forgot SB so was close, preordered through BB / GCU for $30. May cancel and abuse the grace period temporarily depending on how much time I think I'll have.

I need to finish Dun Scaith the night before SB or something.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 11, 2017, 05:04:40 AM
Finished 3.1 & 3.2, all good stuff and looking forward to the big 3.3 dragonsong end.

Was going around Azy Lls and it just reminds me how the game desperately needs more things to do in maps. Like Zelda BoTW has this huge map, but it's just totally filled with stuff to do so it's worth exploring and doing things. But in FF14, you have giant maps like Azy lls where 50%+ of this map is never used. Like you find cool little islands that they built out and there's just not a single thing to do other than fly by and say "that looks cool" and move on. That area doesn't even have sightseeing logs I think. Like they should come up with something fun they can sprinkle across maps to give you something to do at every area now that maps are huge since HW & flying.

One thing they give you is FATEs, but upon hitting 60 I realized they completely screwed up the way FATE rewards work. I did a FATE chain for 20 mins and all I got was like 500 gold and some GC seals. So basically you get nothing from FATEs, so they made hundreds of this little FATE stories and events spread across the maps and there is 0 incentive for anyone who hit 60 to play them so they're all empty all the time. Like all they have to do is make the FATEs give you whatever currency you're up to. Like Centurio seals + lore + scrip and then people would be doing them just like how people still do HW Hunts.

Yeah, I really like FF14. It's a great game and the best FF in a long time, but the further I get in I notice all the weird/bad game design stuff that keeps things from being even better. The lack of trials in HW and 3.X is pretty bad, since those are hugely replayable and a lot of fun with different challenge levels. Fighting all the various primals from ARR & 2.X has been some of the best stuff in the game. I'm fine with fewer dungeons because dungeons are less replayable imo since they're long and zzz for the trash mobs, but there really should be lots of trials each expansion and post-game. Duckroll mentioned to me that it might be less a budget/time thing and more that a big part of their playerbase doesn't like trials because they're too hard so there's a conscious change to focusing more on single player duties (which are mediocre) and fewer trials/dungeons.

I can't believe there are people who don't like trials out there. It's like people who don't like boss fights in their games  :doge
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 11, 2017, 08:46:23 AM
you unlock the warring triad questline? that's where all the trials are
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 11, 2017, 12:31:29 PM
just got the pc version woot


but FUCK I HATE THE FUCKING INSTALLER JESUS CHRIST SQUARE FIX THIS
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 11, 2017, 12:46:42 PM
you unlock the warring triad questline? that's where all the trials are

Yeah, but you're still talking about like 6 trials in HW vs like 15 in ARR.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on June 11, 2017, 01:06:31 PM
Small update: Even though I consider myself an experienced MMORPG player, I must say I love the Novice Network. It wasn't around the first time I tried FFXIV, , and even though the training combats are dumb/common sense, the gear they reward is decent temp gear (and looks way fucking better than low level quest/market gear). My favorite is the Novice chat. Even when I don't have questions, I see others asking/answering things I didn't realize were useful to know. Really wish this was around the first time I started this game. But my favorite part of it is the chat because of how much easier it is to run into people and situations where you can make friends.

Playing with others online has kinda been a long problem for me for years, because I've been avoiding people and situations where I'd have to group up. Very few of my online friends are awake during the hours I'm available to play, and I found it too difficult to take initiative to befriend strangers in-game for various reasons. Fear of being yelled at, judged or even creeped on. Anyway I now took initiative and found a really nice group of people! We've got a Discord and a Linkshell, and they seem like really lovely people. There also seems to be some fellow females, which puts me at ease. I'm usually vary of asking for help ingame but the MSQ dungeon queue was too slow (DPSlyfe) so I asked in Novice, and several people offered to help out! I wish I hadn't been such an introverted idiot even online so I could've enjoyed this so much (and other MMOs) a lot sooner.

tl;dr I'm scared of people, but decided to step put of my comfort zone, because FFXIV is quite enjoyable.

Sorry for the weird and long post. Good night, champs.

:mynicca
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 11, 2017, 05:04:13 PM
woohoo i'm in! had to use a fucking vpn to get it to download. oddly enough, i was able to log into my regular character even tho i only have the base game. it just wont let me access heavensward areas or quests. redoing all my config and hud settings, gear sets, and hotbars is gonna be a cock and a half and GOD i wish there was a way around that.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 11, 2017, 05:07:52 PM
butt it's good to reach out to people sometimes in the game congrats! aside from the endgame players, this is the nicest community i've ever come across in a game. i found a group that's friendly but is ok with me not being very social most of the time. i just try to return the favor when others help me out, but otherwise i'm usually quiet and it works just fine.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on June 11, 2017, 08:56:49 PM
Small update: Even though I consider myself an experienced MMORPG player, I must say I love the Novice Network. It wasn't around the first time I tried FFXIV, , and even though the training combats are dumb/common sense, the gear they reward is decent temp gear (and looks way fucking better than low level quest/market gear). My favorite is the Novice chat. Even when I don't have questions, I see others asking/answering things I didn't realize were useful to know. Really wish this was around the first time I started this game. But my favorite part of it is the chat because of how much easier it is to run into people and situations where you can make friends.

Playing with others online has kinda been a long problem for me for years, because I've been avoiding people and situations where I'd have to group up. Very few of my online friends are awake during the hours I'm available to play, and I found it too difficult to take initiative to befriend strangers in-game for various reasons. Fear of being yelled at, judged or even creeped on. Anyway I now took initiative and found a really nice group of people! We've got a Discord and a Linkshell, and they seem like really lovely people. There also seems to be some fellow females, which puts me at ease. I'm usually vary of asking for help ingame but the MSQ dungeon queue was too slow (DPSlyfe) so I asked in Novice, and several people offered to help out! I wish I hadn't been such an introverted idiot even online so I could've enjoyed this so much (and other MMOs) a lot sooner.

tl;dr I'm scared of people, but decided to step put of my comfort zone, because FFXIV is quite enjoyable.

Sorry for the weird and long post. Good night, champs.

:mynicca

My wife is the same way about MMOs, but loves playing them. The forced dungeons / trials really put her off despite my explaining that it's generally a much more friendly community than WoW, etc.

XIV reminds me a little of how playing MMOs used to feel. Much more just weird adults playing an online game than the try-hard, toxic communities elsewhere where every piece of group content no matter how minor is super serious and there's no room for error or first-timers.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 12, 2017, 04:09:36 AM
So I finally got my wish and in the 3.3 dungeon Sohk Kar I got an entire party of first time players like myself. No one knew the dungeon and it was so fun omg. Especially because the bosses have some complexities to them. We'd run around trying stuff and paying attention and then roundtable what we learned and figure out a strategy. Died once on the moogle boss and once on the Unicorn boss but took out both fast on the second try with what we learned and strategized. Beat the dragon boss on the first try, not sure if just got lucky or the boss wasn't particularly complex.

Had a lot of teamwork. Talking, laughing and felt really good and proud of ourselves when we beat it.

What a cool experience.

*edit* finished the final boss of 3.3. What a fight. I am not looking forward to doing the extreme version of that :lol
Gonna watch all the cutscenes and finish 3.3, start 3.4 tomorrow night. 3.3 was an excellent end to HW's story. Really weird how HW is basically is 3.0-3.3 like they couldn't finish it in time so picked an ending spot and shipped it only to patch in the rest of the game. Kinda hoping they don't do that with SB since I'd like a full satisfying story/adventure within the shipped game and not over a year of patches.

But overall counting 3.3 as the last 10-15 hours of the main game, HW is an great rpg and the best FF's been since the first half of FF12. Looking forward to the ending cutscenes tomorrow.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on June 12, 2017, 06:58:28 AM
3.3 ends the Dragonsong War arc because they need time to wrap up other plot threads and build up/escalate the Ala Mhigan scenario for the expansion.  :P

I dunno if you did it already, but since you beat Dun Scaith, you can accept a weekly turn in quest in Idylshire for a free i270 accessory that just requires you to clear Dun Scaith again. Weekly resets are every Tuesday, so today's the day to do it so you can get two accessories before StormBlood!

The Heavensward Raid series name is Shadow of Mhach, since it details the rise and fall of that particular civilization and the lingering effects it still has on Eorzea. Most people just call them the Void Ark raids tho since its easier to remember.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on June 12, 2017, 09:07:38 AM
Oh fuuuck I just realized something. I won't be able to buy subscriptions once I move back to Europe, since my account is Japanese. :(
The MogStation only allows Japanese credit cards and won't even take my current one so I've always bought them from the konbini.

Or hm, I could ask some friends to give me codes and pay them back somehow, that is probably my only way. I own up until HS and I refuse to buy the game again. lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 12, 2017, 01:21:14 PM
Oh fuuuck I just realized something. I won't be able to buy subscriptions once I move back to Europe, since my account is Japanese. :(
The MogStation only allows Japanese credit cards and won't even take my current one so I've always bought them from the konbini.

Or hm, I could ask some friends to give me codes and pay them back somehow, that is probably my only way. I own up until HS and I refuse to buy the game again. lol

I think there is a way to make this work, the game is surprisingly region free. I'm on a Japanese SE account English Mogststion paying in steam credits playing in Japanese on a US server. I'd mess around with it and see if you can find something that works.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on June 12, 2017, 01:44:15 PM
Oh fuuuck I just realized something. I won't be able to buy subscriptions once I move back to Europe, since my account is Japanese. :(
The MogStation only allows Japanese credit cards and won't even take my current one so I've always bought them from the konbini.

Or hm, I could ask some friends to give me codes and pay them back somehow, that is probably my only way. I own up until HS and I refuse to buy the game again. lol

I think there is a way to make this work, the game is surprisingly region free. I'm on a Japanese SE account English Mogststion paying in steam credits playing in Japanese on a US server. I'd mess around with it and see if you can find something that works.
My MogStation is in Japanese because I bought the game from the Japanese SE eShop. I can't switch MogStation language, although I can play in any language like anyone else. The game is region free but my account isn't. Like when I went to optional items in the MogStation it specifically said in Japanese that cards issued outside of Japan won't work.

Why Steam credits, did you buy it through Steam? Because I didn't.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 12, 2017, 02:27:29 PM
I did buy through steam. Does JP mogstation not take crysta in alternative to credit cards? You can usually buy crysta different ways.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 12, 2017, 03:06:39 PM
So duckroll had me look at the SB changes to NIN because it's about to drop on my character and pretty mixed feelings. Duckroll tells on his dragoon it's great and nothing but buffs, but on NIN I lose my self-healing & damage over time and gain a bunch of combo/ninjutsu buffing and extra combos/ninjutsu in. Will definitely do more damage output, but lack of self-healing is frustrating. Also losing DoT and one combo ender just means two less complexities in combat rotation which I prefer the more complex, the better.  But I guess the new 60-70 moves will bring it back to lvl.60 rotation complexity.

...still bummed about losing self-healing.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on June 12, 2017, 08:56:43 PM
I did buy through steam. Does JP mogstation not take crysta in alternative to credit cards? You can usually buy crysta different ways.
If it was through Steam I could've just bought Steam gaming cards.

Not sure about Crysta.. I might have the same issues as the in-game items where it'll only take Japanese credit cards. Worst case scenario I'll have to buy the game again. That might be the best option anyway since I should stick to EU servers, and those aren't available in the Japanese version, afaik? At least I can only see NA and Japan data centers/servers.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 12, 2017, 10:34:54 PM
Can you transfer your character between versions? Aren't you really early and doing MSQ? Might make more sense to double dip and grab the steam version. It's like $10-15 with a free month a lot of the time.


Speaking of all this nonsense, I actually just got fucked myself. Had no idea the steam version was different than the PC version, so I bought the Stormblood PC download off the Square Enix store and it doesn't work with my steam FFXIV :| Had to double dip and buy Stormblood again and I'm asking SE for a refund which I'll see what happens. If they don't refund it I'll have an extra HW/Stormblood NA code for anyone that wants it.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on June 12, 2017, 10:57:22 PM
How do you pay for the sub for the Steam version? Just buy Steam game cards and use the Steam currency? I take it Steam still doesn't sell game cards officially online? I read somewhere you can pay directly from bank cards on the Steam version in MogStation, so I hope/assume the Steam wallet isn't the only option. Or can you directly add funds to your wallet?

Also, good news: I just realized there ARE European servers listed on my current account/version. So I could keep playing my current character and then do a World Transfer later after I move.

My only worry is the payment stuff, I wanna be sure I can use Norwegian payment methods. Which is the only reason I'll switch accounts in the first place. Actually I do have a Norwegian bank card here, I'll try to buy a sub with it later today.

If that doesn't work, I'll have to wait until I move to buy it on Steam (since my Steam is set to Japan it says on the store page that it's the Japanese version, and requires a Japanese SE account to play. That could be trouble if they redirect me to the MogStation when trying to pay with my card.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 13, 2017, 04:13:19 AM
Watched the ending of 3.3 (good) and did all of 3.4 in one night. That was kinda long. Wasn't a big fan of 3.4, going back to the Scions and honestly the Scions are pretty dull compared to the HW characters. They need to have a better main party at some point ^^; A lot of 3.4 felt kinda fillerish side story connector between HW and SB. Was alright, just not that exciting.

Have two nights now to do 3.5/3.55, so feel pretty comfortable about catching up in time. Looking forward to 3.5/3.55 in hopes that it gets me interested and looking forward to the SB plot, because right now I'm feeling like HW was an exception and SB's gonna be a lot worse. Hard to go from Cool knights and dragons to like the desert dudes resistance party vs the boring empire zzz. And I'm kinda Japan/Ninja'd out from the zzz NIN job quest. And another allagan mecha weapon Omega sounds pretty uninteresting compared to giant Bahamut and Alexander the living castle. Have low expectations for pretty much everything SB, so hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised.

How do you pay for the sub for the Steam version? Just buy Steam game cards and use the Steam currency? I take it Steam still doesn't sell game cards officially online? I read somewhere you can pay directly from bank cards on the Steam version in MogStation, so I hope/assume the Steam wallet isn't the only option. Or can you directly add funds to your wallet?

Also, good news: I just realized there ARE European servers listed on my current account/version. So I could keep playing my current character and then do a World Transfer later after I move.

My only worry is the payment stuff, I wanna be sure I can use Norwegian payment methods. Which is the only reason I'll switch accounts in the first place. Actually I do have a Norwegian bank card here, I'll try to buy a sub with it later today.

If that doesn't work, I'll have to wait until I move to buy it on Steam (since my Steam is set to Japan it says on the store page that it's the Japanese version, and requires a Japanese SE account to play. That could be trouble if they redirect me to the MogStation when trying to pay with my card.

Yeah, I just pay with steam wallet which I fund through credit card in a paypal kinda way.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: bluemax on June 13, 2017, 07:34:25 PM
This FFXIV trailer on the SqEXE stream is super dramatic.

HOLD THE LINE!

KIN SLAYER!


Wait you can play as Auron? I'm in.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 14, 2017, 02:40:52 AM
Cleared 3.55. 440 hours later, finally caught up with MSQ!

Now just need to do:
-All lvl.60 non-msq dungeons
-Alexander
-All HW extreme trials
-All HW minstrel trials
-HW Hildebrand quests (though without trials sounds boring ;_;)
-Scholastic quests
-Aquapolis
-Diededum or whatever pirate thing
-Finish PoTD someday
-All beast tribe stories
-try all the PVP stuff like Frontlines

And Stormblood 4.0 MSQ. Yeah, I got a lot of content for the next few months.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 14, 2017, 03:37:11 PM
Didn't realize Warring Triad have hard & extreme. Thought they were just extreme. So 5 primals, 2 bosses with extreme versions of all 7 for 14 trials total. Not bad. Dungeon count is also pretty decent after all the 3.X dungeons. If only Hildebrand had trials...I wonder if they took them out because they want to make comedy Hildebrand accessible to all players, including those who are terrible at trials. Too bad though, the best cameos were in those in ARR.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on June 14, 2017, 04:10:11 PM
Initially, they were gonna give Hildibrand a break during Heavensward and just do the Scholasticate story, which features one character from Hildibrand. But, as expected, players really really just wanted more Hildibrand, so the Scholasticate stuff got quietly pushed aside for more shenanigans, which probably plays into why there weren't specific trials for it as they weren't originally planned as part of the 3.X roadmap.

Anyway got my glamour set picked out for Red Mage, which is ultimately what matters since we know glamours are the true endgame.
(http://abload.de/img/ffxiv_06142017_155156zju26.png)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 14, 2017, 04:14:54 PM
buh? how were you able to test out new outfits?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on June 14, 2017, 04:18:06 PM
None of that is new, It's level 1-50 caster equippable gear already in the game.  :P
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 14, 2017, 05:20:13 PM
ermmmmm...... as a blm, i already knew that. i uh was just testing you or something
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 14, 2017, 05:31:19 PM
I had the worst experience with a tank the other day in the 3.4 Ixali dungeon. Dude had a beginner's leaf on, I don't even know how that's possible all the way at 3.4, but anyhow he would never stop moving. Not like large pulls, but like when surrounded by enemies he'd keep running round the room never staying still. So as a NIN everytime I put my AoE DoT on the floor he'd run out of it and away and eventually I gave up and just kept doing AoE explosions.

Also another time I had a tank who never said a word and didn't stop at boss entry points to say anything and just ran and pulled the boss right away. I think this was the upside-down library dungeon. So I just winged it and tried to learn patterns/stay alive on the fly since it was my first time (and I'd said as much) there.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 14, 2017, 06:50:16 PM
If anyone here plays Monster Hunter, I've never played MH, couldn't get into the stiff controls in the first one, but watching the E3 videos for XX and MHW after having played FFXIV...is MH basically an MMO quest game and the dinosaur battles are like FFXIV trials? That's sorta what the series looks like.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 15, 2017, 12:31:06 AM
Did Thordan EX, that was fun. I like how HW 3.X focuses on mechanics that weren't used in 2.X much outside of Coil like lots of stacking defense. There were parts in Thordan Ex where the team had to just run together to continually group absorb the damage which was fun. Good fight, waaaaaaaay better than the normal version :P
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 15, 2017, 12:35:39 AM
wait what? you beat it in one go?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 15, 2017, 12:37:04 AM
No, we had 4 (maybe 5) wipes and we beat it with 10% echo. I played it with the GAF FC and didn't know the mechanics (neither did one of the other DPS and one of the tanks was first time and looked it up beforehand).
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 15, 2017, 12:50:19 AM
still, that's impressive. it's not any easy fight.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 15, 2017, 12:22:30 PM
Patch notes are SO COOL

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/de4bffc4fb40b355db2cb463273acab6f10e26ac

They're basically fixing, QoL every issue I have with the game outside of Fates still being useless once you hit lvl cap and not enough stuff to do in an area. Eventually I think they will fix Fates by having them give lore and will add new gameplay systems of things to do in areas to make certain sections less empty.

On pluses:

+Adding the equivelent of flying speed in ARR maps with quests and stuff like Aetheryte Shards to unlock. Hopefully lvl.2 running speed = flying speed.
+Being able to see enemy actions on the side enemy bar. This is really helpful when I'm killing adds so I don't have to cycle to the boss to see if they're doing some move I need to react to.
+Raid finder is cool
+NO LEVEL SYNC FOR GIANT CRAB FATES; wow, will actually be able to do some of these now even without a Fate party
+UI improvements
+Getting rid of attributes/second class requirements for jobs
+Can see the entire map for ARR areas like all of Shroud and any active markers
+Extra inventory space/armory space is nice
+bunch of other stuff

negatives:

-Death penalty is gonna be rough for high-end raids/extreme bosses. Weaknesses is up from -15% all stats to -25% all DPS which will be very rough for DPS checks or just doing damage if people are dying a lot (Odin fate lol)

Generally my impression is that they're buffing everything and making the game easier, faster and more accessible, but making the high end stuff slightly harder to balance it. I get the feeling going forward it'll basically be making the MSQ easier and easier for all players and extreme/raids tough as nails for hardcore content. Although the Nidhogg fight in 3.3 was no joke for an MSQ boss. Gotta imagine some casual players would get stuck there.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 15, 2017, 12:44:43 PM
this game is having a cross-promotion with honey buns, so now me and my character can both get fat off the same snacks. this game is amazing
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 15, 2017, 09:31:42 PM
Kinda surprised it's so quiet in this thread with SB out in less than 12 hours and like 20 pages of changes to the game in the patch notes. Gaf thread has like 30 pages already!

Maybe this is just a bigger deal to me because it's my first MMO launch event!! And the rest of you all are like  :shaq2 disconnects, glitches and other problems incoming.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on June 15, 2017, 09:43:13 PM
Probably because we're the only ones who play this game. I took a break because I'm not quite sure what to do with my region situation. Not sure if it's worth continuing on this account, plus I've been busy with other things.

Wish I had kept playing my first character so I could've played SB when it's out. :(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 15, 2017, 10:22:37 PM
i've been refreshing the game over and over all day to see if magically it'll be up early.

i read the patch notes and a lot of the stuff looks real good to me. lots of good quality of life improvements and adjustments (no more stat bonus points!) and ofc i'm excited about the new maps and story. i haven't paid much attention to class changes because tbh i don't care much. i'll learn the changes and new moves and i'll continue to kill shit with them. the fanbase (and every fanbase for an online game) freaks out over the tiniest changes and it's annoying to see because it's not like you really ever see a dev break the fucking game because of a damage adjustment or something. your character plays slightly different now; learn it and help your team. the end.

anyways, work ended up being cancelled today and i reallllly wish it coulda been tomorrow because i am fully ready to be a shut-in again
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 15, 2017, 10:35:50 PM
anyways, work ended up being cancelled today and i reallllly wish it coulda been tomorrow because i am fully ready to be a shut-in again

Yeah, I feel ya. I've already started figuring out how much work I really need to get done tomorrow and if there's anyway I can cut out early at like 2-3pm. I have mostly a free weekend, but Sunday's father's day so gonna bake some goodies and make time for family for about half that day. I've have some minor internal surgery procedure on Tuesday, so I'm gonna enjoy as much SB as I can before then and hope I don't die so I can keep playing :lol

Probably because we're the only ones who play this game. I took a break because I'm not quite sure what to do with my region situation. Not sure if it's worth continuing on this account, plus I've been busy with other things.

Wish I had kept playing my first character so I could've played SB when it's out. :(

Well, worst case you've got 2 years until the next expansion launch and the quality of life improvements will make catching up a lot more fun/quick. Also if you don't care about the story, now you can even buy skip potions and be at SB lvl.60 tomorrow in an instant.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 16, 2017, 08:51:06 AM
woke up early and still only had time to watch the cg video :/
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 16, 2017, 01:00:35 PM
Woke up early and played before work and omg so good!!!

The engine seems much smoother. The first thing I noticed is when you talk to NPCs there's like a half-second delay for their speech bubble usually, but now it's instant. Cutscenes feel smoother/higher framerate. NIN's Kassatsu used to lag when refreshing the cooldowns of the ninja magic but now it's totally instant. Everything just feels really smooth. Not sure if this is just because not a lot of people online early on a Fri morning in NA, more servers because SB launch, or dropping the PS3 and engine optimizations, but it's running fantastic.

The new area is great and it's SO AWESOME being there at the start. People everywhere and every fate early on has like a hundred people on it like this:

(http://i.imgur.com/2XSdYwoh.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/n01l2uPh.jpg)

I've never seen fates like this in all my 440 hours of ARR & HW. I can't even see the enemy or what's going on :lol

Tons and tons of people running through the map alongside you, tons of people doing fates, so much yelling/shouting chatter on the box. Feels like a community thing which is something I've never experienced because everyone left HW by the time I started last November. It's really cool!

Also I tossed up the drops I was getting from enemies on the MB and they're selling really good right now for the crafters ;) Like 2-3k per skin. Will help me make some money.

First merchants sell i255 NQ gear. Which is good because I was i242 so it's just around where I am. The only problem is my Fisher is lvl.60 from GC turn-ins but I haven't upgraded his gear since lvl.50 and Merchant tools start at lvl.62. So if I wanna start fishing in SB areas I'm gonna need to buy lvl.60 fishing gear off MB and a full set is probably gonna be pricey so idk if I want to spend that kind of gil or just keep doing GC turn-ins until lvl.62 and outfit Fisher with a cheap merchant gear set.

Role actions are kinda good/bad. I thought you get to choose a role, but I couldn't see a way. With the default role action for melee DPS I gain some useful skills I never had like 20 second HP absorb and North star removing directional requirements meaning I can trick attack in front if needed. BUT I lost Internal Release which sucks because NIN should be all about those big crits :( NIN also lost B4B, but since I never had it I guess it just brings everyone down to my level :lol  Oh well, I will live. The new gauge stuff is ok but for NIN it's just a bigger icon than we had before so no big deal.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 16, 2017, 04:22:00 PM
woke up early and still only had time to watch the cg video :/

finally get home, turn on the ps4.... get an error while booting up, restart, and am greeted by a 22gb download in the installer.

 I'm going to take a nap
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 16, 2017, 05:25:17 PM
Yeah, couple of issues right now. First being disconnects and second being a solo instance bottleneck preventing people from progressing in the MSQ. I'm probably like 60 mins+ in and haven't got to it yet though and you get at least two full map areas to play with beforehand so there's stuff to do. Mostly been stopping at every fate I see and killing normal mobs along the way for drops that I can sell.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 16, 2017, 09:08:25 PM
four hours later and i finally get in! just got to the second map and so far i'm really excited! i like to take my time when i'm going through the story, do every sidequest, explore every little corner, so it's gonna take me awhile before i finish the whole expansion.

initial impressions:
-omg reconfiguring the whole hud just because dialog boxes are EVEN SMALLER now is annoying. you wanna talk about a qol upgrade? let the fucking dialog box size be adjustable in the hud menu
-music is fantastic so far and soken is the best composer the series has had after uematsu
-graphics look great but for the first time i feel like the pc version might have a significant edge. the (admittedly very small section i've seen so far seems to have simpler geometry so the improved lighting on pc would give the visuals a lot more depth
-i was in the first new map for seriously under a minute before hearing some dink shouting about how heavensward is so much better and he can't believe square would do this to us. chat window is hidden until further notice.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 16, 2017, 10:24:34 PM
-i was in the first new map for seriously under a minute before hearing some dink shouting about how heavensward is so much better and he can't believe square would do this to us. chat window is hidden until further notice.

 :mynicca that's the way to do it.

Yeah, I'm on gaf FC with like 100+ members online talking. Someone is gonna spoil shit they don't think is spoilery, so I have that off too.

Haven't got through the roadblock MSQ, but having fun doing other stuff. Now that my crafters are all hitting lvl.50 I realized that for omni-crafting, 50-60 is still going to be a pain in the ass. DoTL 50-60 is easy cause materials are generally cheap and just buy HQ and turn into GC everyday or do leves which cost nothing and only give you stuff. But crafting...GC turn-ins for lvl.50-60 stuff is very expensive to buy or if you make it yourself for all classes it's still very expensive in mats. Even Leves cost a lot of money since you have to turn in things. The only "free" xp is the moogle quests which are 3 a day for like 1-2/10th of a level each. If you're only leveling one crafter 50-60 it's great, just do 3 moogle quests a day. But when you're leveling like 8 or so lvl.50 crafters and you only get 3 quests a day...yeah.

For the time being I may abandon my crafters and just pick a single one and get it up to lvl.70 first along with my 3 DoTLs and then bring up the other lvl.50 crafters to 70 later. I'd probably go with goldsmith since it's already at almost lvl.55 and makes useful right-side gear and ingots to sell.

goddamnit, already sucked back into the meta world of crafting and money making instead of just adventuring and enjoying the game ;_;

I'm gonna stay up a bit late and try to get through the broken MSQ at like 2-3am PST and hopefully it works. Seems like the only congested roadblock of the game so if you make it through you're good.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on June 16, 2017, 11:26:48 PM
Is it the Ultros FC? Does Haman still play?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 17, 2017, 09:23:54 AM
welp i did all the sidequests in the first town, then promptly hit the msq wall. time to go play some quake champions
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 17, 2017, 09:44:33 AM
ok i just got completely owned in quake champions fuck me i hate all videogames
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on June 17, 2017, 01:41:06 PM
I'm just going to level RDM and SAM for now, but there have to be so many simple ways to ease the pain here. Drastically reduce the health of the solo instance mobs at the least.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 17, 2017, 02:03:25 PM
wait, you're saying you want it easier? i'm liking being at risk of dying again. did the first new blm quest and really had to work for that victory; it was pretty damn fun
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on June 17, 2017, 03:49:37 PM
I mean for the solo instance road blocks in the SB MSQ. If they just made those specific mobs have say 1/5th their health, that's doubling / tripling the throughput for those parts of the MSQ.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 17, 2017, 04:04:13 PM
I hear there's long ass cutscenes in the instance, so if people aren't skipping them that doesn't help.

I'm just fishing.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on June 17, 2017, 06:54:33 PM
These POTD groups are a god damned mess with all the RDM and SAM. No Auto Heal floors are certain death.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 17, 2017, 07:03:19 PM
pvp is shot too since you can't change classes in the lobby. just rdm and sam all over the place. on the other hand I got like 10 wins this morning and almost got the 60 win mount.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on June 17, 2017, 07:09:55 PM
I made the unfortunate mistake of trying to start the second SAM quest and now I'm stuck in an endless loop of 90002 errors upon logging in.

Time for Persona 5 or something.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 17, 2017, 07:33:46 PM
ok green man gaming has sb for $33 and i think im gonna bite. they sell codes for us games, right?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on June 17, 2017, 11:27:55 PM
is it a steam key? otherwise yeah I think GMG is fine

I bought it through BB and GCU for $32.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 18, 2017, 01:28:15 AM
Well, since I couldn't play the SB msq (still broke), spent the afternoon getting my lvl.60 fisher geared up for SB. Now he's lvl.61 and everything's i180 outside the fishing pole which will be once I hit lvl.62. I'm catching fish in the starting SB areas no problem. Did the same for my Miner at lvl.55, he's all caught up in gear and can mine the first half of HW now. Botanist at lvl.52 is starting out in HW.

Learned all about scrips, souvenir collectibles and unspoiled nodes today. Man, gearing up is relatively easy with scrips. Gonna keep turning in the fishing collectibles and buy some i180 mining/bot tools since I already have a full i180 gathering gear. That way when they hit lvl.60 they'll be able to jump straight into useful in SB. On the crafting side I'm doing collectibles with my lvl.55 Goldsmith so I can gear out once I hit lvl.60.

The hard part seems like getting from 50-60? Like with gatherers you do your HQ daily GC turn-in and then leves until you can't take the boredom anymore. No point in doing collectibles for xp since the payout isn't that great and you need to do unspoiled nodes and you can just do a leve for the same xp in the same time.

With crafters, you do moogle quests but there's only a few a day and then...idk, wait? Doing leves or collectibles for xp means crafting lots of lvl.50+ stuff and the mats ain't cheap. So if you don't want to spend the money, not sure if there's anything to do for leveling from 50-60 with crafters besides your daily moogle quests.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 18, 2017, 09:29:33 AM
looks like the msq error has been fixed and the tears have ceased


ok wait maybe not
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on June 18, 2017, 09:37:54 AM
Raubahn just put me into a 90k logon loop so nope. Think I'm locked out for an hour to an hour and a half now.

They just seem to reset the instance severs every XX hours and it works great for 30 minutes or so until the limits come down again.

This is honestly the worst launch I've seen in the last 10, maybe 15 years. I'd have to go back to shit like Anarchy Online to think of worse if this persists through today.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 18, 2017, 09:46:55 AM
i'm just really hoping it's fixed by the time  the official launch happens on tuesday. i can wait a weekend without getting bothered, but if it goes beyond that then i'm gonna pull out my pitchforks too
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 18, 2017, 10:15:49 AM
for anyone that still needs their fix today, you can check out these stories on the lodestone that a lot of people don't seem to know about:

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/playguide/#sidestory

they're well-written little backstories that give additional details for the main characters. worth reading if you're a ffxiv story nerd.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on June 18, 2017, 11:36:58 AM
I think the limit has been lifted temporarily at least. I was able to get through Raubahn and Pipin in the last hour.

Crisis averted, but losing yesterday still blows as I'll have little free time in the next two weeks while transitioning jobs.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 18, 2017, 03:09:28 PM
Yeah, finally past Rauban!

Back to fishing/mining collectibles.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 18, 2017, 05:36:30 PM
Yeah, finally past Rauban!

Back to fishing/mining collectibles.

lolz whatever floats yr boat

haven't made it to the first dungeon yet but I'm having a lot of fun with it so far. music, graphics, and story are all great and I'm having a lot of close fights bc I don't fully know my character yet. blm seems to have changed very little;lots of other ppl are pissed bc of lost abilities. right now i dunno if they're right or it's the usual "omg changes noooo" crowd.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 18, 2017, 06:25:26 PM
Like Freyj I pretty much freed up half Friday and all Saturday (outside a lunch engagement) to play but today, especially being Father's Day, I got stuff going on all day and then tomorrow's work so don't really have time to get into the MSQ. So when I have like 30-60 mins I just do GC turn-ins and collectibles :P

Assuming the game keeps functioning, I should have all next weekend to dig into the MSQ and I'll play a little over the weeknights. Probably gonna focus on the MSQ if I'm not working on crafters/gatherers since doing the 3.x content is gonna be rough now with queues as they are and disconnect issues.

Is it the Ultros FC? Does Haman still play?

Just saw I never replied to this, yeah GAF FC is Ultros FC. Not sure about Haman, I haven't really interacted with the FC outside of 3-4 people. There's usually 100-150 online at any time which is pretty crazy coming from my old FC where it was like 6-8 people online usually.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 18, 2017, 11:01:45 PM
Alright, back from father's day and baking scones for my dad and cleaning up my kitchen. Made myself a mocha just now, and ready to finally sit down and play some real Stormblood MSQ tonight!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 19, 2017, 05:10:30 AM
Did a little of the MSQ and did all of Fisher lvl.53-60 HW job quests so I could start the SB Fisher questline and do it as I explore the areas out. The HW one was enjoyable. The first one with the HQ Icepicks was really frustrating and I was having no luck after an hour or so but I found a trick that instead of using the Stonefly Nyph bait which is what online info says, if you use the Goblin Jig it at a certain time it cuts out all other possible fish, so I was getting nothing but Icepicks and beat it.

Then on the Shadowhiskers, Letter Puffer, Catkiller I got them all like on the first or second try with my lvl.180 gear set + patience + powerful hookset so was able to blow through that quick, which was nice. Started the Fisher questline in Stormblood but first lvl.60 quest was kinda weird because it's all Limsa ARR stuff with nothing about the new area and no new location quest giver like HW had. Will see what happens at the next lvl.63 one. I'm about halfway through lvl.62 (ahead of my lvl.61 NIN :lol) and should hit 63 after a few daily GC turn ins in a couple of days.

Now that I've figured out unspoiled nodes, leveling with Miner is really easy. Already up to lvl.57, so should hit 60 in the next week and will get to the SB job quest in that too. Goldsmith is 56 and ideally I'd like to get it to 60 so while I'm playing through the MSQ in SB I'm also doing the SB Fisher/Miner/Goldsmith questlines as well in the same areas for more stuff to do.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 19, 2017, 06:45:57 PM
Sold a fish for 150k. Was nice. The lvl.60 fishing skill Patience 2 makes HQ rare fish pretty easy to catch. What used to be like 30-60 mins to catch one is like 3-15 mins especially with lvl.62 gear. When I get done with the MSQ if I need an income source for time vs money made, I may stick to just catching big rare fish and selling them. I've been trying like everything (I have about 80 items on sale on the MB) on Ultros to make money and most of it is drips and drabs. My retainers are all lvl.50+ so still trying to find the best money making stuff for them to grab. Was grabbing skins with my hunter and making leathers and selling those which is ok, but nothing special money-wise.

There's some good food that sells for like 1,000 gil each and costs like 3,000 gil to make like 99x but the HQ food won't let me use quick synthesis so it's not worth wasting my time making them manually. Otherwise quick synthesis foods would be pretty profitable.

Now that I got my gatherers and gatherer retainers up and almost all my classes to lvl.50-55 recipes I can actually make lvl.50-60 turn-ins from scratch for pretty cheap like couple thousand gil. Before this I'd have to buy them off the MB (mats or item) and it was often like 80-200k gil which I couldn't afford just for a GC turn in xp. But for like 5k in Mats and sending retainers to grab some stuff? Sure, the XP payout is worth it.

I also like that at this point I can auto-craft with quick synthesis lvl.30/40 stuff with NQ dirt cheap mats and I come back and have like 50% of them turned out HQ ingots or leathers or something which sell quite ok. Except Mythril Ingots, for some reason no one ever wants to buy mythril on any server.

Not sure what I'm saving up and trying to make all this gil for. I think it's cause I spent a lot on some stuff and dropped from 8 million -> 5 million, so I wanna get back up to 8-10 million to feel comfortable in case I need to gear out something. Or buy a house, but don't think I'll ever find one for sale before they're gone.

But yeah, I love collectibles. Having a lot of fun leveling gatherers now.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 19, 2017, 08:08:17 PM
one nitpick with the new expansion: my GOD why is the music for the smaller towns still really short? had the same issue with arr and hw. we spend a lot of time in towns, doing all the little sidequests or checking menus or whatever, so why are the songs only about a minute long each?? im gonna be hanging around for two years so why in gods name would i want to listen to a 60-second loop fifty thousand times?

sorry, it's not that big a deal, but it definitely gives me headaches if i don't disable the music after a short while
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 19, 2017, 08:45:51 PM
Haha, yeah. At least they're nice songs.

Oh, I keep forgetting to mention the BEST BEST BEST new change (although chocobo speed+ even in HW is awesome):
When you change classes all your shit doesn't have 60 second cooldowns. Since I often switch from combat to fishing to mining to crafting this is a BIG DEAL to instantly be able to use my abilities.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 19, 2017, 08:49:45 PM
yes good lord i love that. it was such a waste of time before.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 19, 2017, 10:13:17 PM
When you're in that lvl.50-70 grind and your "dailies" before starting MSQ each day are 3 hours  :'(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 19, 2017, 11:08:11 PM
blegh that what you do on the down months. I can't resist the lure of the msq. which by the way continues to impress. just made it to kugane and my weeaboo receptors are overloaded
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on June 19, 2017, 11:27:59 PM
I saw someone on another forum mention that SB MSQ feels Suikoden-y at times and I have to concur.

Despite the problems the game has / has had, the MSQ still amazes me at how good it can be.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 19, 2017, 11:30:50 PM
i didn't play much suikoden but I'd say parts of it reminded me of mass effect 3 in that now your character is a sort of legend and it's cool how dialog reflects that, like having sidequests where you train troops and whatnot.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on June 20, 2017, 12:01:07 AM
This game definitely handles the "I'm sort of a big fucking deal" thing way better than WoW ever has.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 20, 2017, 03:57:25 AM
Got to Kugane. Cool town. The first dungeon looked really nice visually. Definitely felt like it had some budget to it.

I hit lvl.62 with my NIN and then ARGH WTF NINKI GAUGE  :yuck :yuck :yuck :yuck
Giant fucking ugly scroll gauge you can't turn off when not in combat. Like I literally can turn off every other element of the hud but the best I can do is sort of drag it to the corner as much as possible. Really annoying when in towns and even in dungeons it's just damn ugly. The Huton pinwheel gauge was way better.

(http://i.imgur.com/PfcMxWLh.jpg)

And then as a mechanic...so Ninja's new 60-70 big deal is that that every so much damage they get to cast a big mini-limit break kind of attack? And there's almost no strategy to it. You just throw it in whenever you fill the bar? Uh, seems pretty dumb. Hopefully the other 2 job attacks at 68 & 70 are more interesting. Going through the first dungeon with the new job changes, man, they really dumbed down the job rotations too much. It's like so simple and boring going through dungeons and even fighting bosses with Ninja right now. I have half as much stuff to do. I get that they were trying to make the game more accessible, but it kinda feels like they went too far and removed the depth that makes the game fun to play. I hope they backtrack from this and the next expansion adds a lot more complexity to the jobs to bring them back to HW level which was perfect imo. 

You know, all they had to do to make it more manageable, less complicated was get rid of cross-class skills and do the role skill thing. They didn't need to remove actions on top of that...

I see what PT means about short town songs.  The Kugane daytime song is already kinda grating. Nightime is good though.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 20, 2017, 09:04:22 AM
FUCK I LOVE THIS GAME OMG
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 20, 2017, 09:32:01 PM
Well, I didn't die today so I guess powered through to Kugane last night for no reason /jk
Gonna take tomorrow off so will do Kugane stuff all day.

I read now they fucked fishing so hard in SB by making all gatherer job quest items unsellable. Fishers only way to make big bucks was to sell big game fish to upcoming fishers who can't catch them. Stupid change imo. Also means there's no plan B if a fishing job quest is "sit and roll RNG for 3 hours" and you don't want to waste your time.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 20, 2017, 09:36:17 PM
is there any demand for certain types of fish that can be displayed in an aquarium?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 21, 2017, 04:19:50 PM

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Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: doctavius bonbon on June 21, 2017, 11:43:19 PM
 Buckled under the pressure and resubbed + bought Stormblood.

Playing in ultros with the gaf guild now since I've known a few people there for a long time. If you doods ever want to party up, hit me up. I'm Lorde Doome ingame.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 22, 2017, 12:54:30 AM
Got to the tower camp in the Ruby Sea. MSQ isn't really grabbing me so far tbh. Like I'm glad it's an adventure with a party like HW compared to ARR's zzz plot, but idk I don't find any of this interesting and Kugane isn't for me (woohoo, another Japan themed place and now everyone dresses Japanese and is a samurai and it's weeaboo land ;_;). I still enjoy all the combat moments and dungeons/trials because FF14 shines in those, but without a really compelling/gripping story all the "go talk to this person, then this person, then this person" which is 75% of the MSQ is just kind of tiring which is why I haven't made a ton of progress.

That said, I really like The Ruby Sea map design. I always through it would be neat to have a map like that. Only way it could've been better is if you could get a boat that you could ride around freely until you get flying.

I'd rather be playing all the 3.x content I still need to do (hard dungeons, Alexander, Warring Triad, Extreme battles) but everyone is playing SB so can't get people to play that with right now.


Also I hit a really REALLY bad bug in The Ruby Sea where my quest giver gave me the quest and the screen glitched and they still had the quest giving icon over their head and talking to them did nothing and the quest didn't appear on the map or in my journal. Leaving the area and coming back didn't fix it. When I quit the game and came back the quest giver had vanished completely with no MSQ quest in my journal or on the map but I turned on that new main scenario guide and it showed me where to go next and even though it didn't appear on my mini-map when I got there I find the person with the next step over their head. Was kinda scary because if that didn't work, I would have just had my MSQ vanish this far in :|
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 22, 2017, 04:47:35 AM
Got to the underwater stuff and liking it a lot more. Feels like it's bringing something new to the series. Plus I like the beast tribe. Ruby Sea is definitely a great map. Feels straight out of Zelda with all the parts to it.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 22, 2017, 09:48:55 PM
Definitely feeling the burnout as I realize there was no point in marathoning through 3.x to be at SB for launch. The "launch MMO" feel I wanted where fates are occupied and places are full of people lasted basically first two days of early access and that was that. This whole week whenever I play, it's the same as when I was playing ARR or HW: empty fates, barely see anyone besides a few people at each town talking to quest givers, only chat on the map are people shouting out A/S hunt locations. Otherwise when going around you hardly see people thanks to the dumb instances (so if there's 100 people in a map, you only get 33 in a huge map in your instance) and just the fact the game has a lot of maps/locations at this point so people are spread around.

The other thing that I was rushing to get to launch for besides occupied fates was doing dungeons where people are all doing it for the first time. But nope, every dungeon/trial at least half the party, if not everyone but you has already done it multiple times and knows exactly what to do and is only in your party because they're doing a roulette. Only time I've ever had a party of 4 first-timers was the 3.3 dungeon.

So yeah, no point in rushing the game. Might as well just enjoy it at your own pace. I was around ~370 hours in when I picked Heavensward back up less than a month ago, finished it and 3.x and probably like 1/3rd through SB now and almost at 500 hours, so played like 120-130 hours in the last month. Might take a break for a bit. Maybe finish the MSQ and then go on break.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 23, 2017, 01:47:04 AM
Did the first warring triad trial Sephirot (hard). Was pretty cool and fun battle. Kinda ;_; that I'll never get to experience the real extreme version cause I've got to imagine it's pretty challenging. Now everyone will be unsync 70. At least I got to do Thordan extreme before SB came out.

Also did Susano. That was a good fight. The one thing I'm noticing in SB with dungeon bosses and trial bosses is that they take like 2x as long as pre-SB bosses did. I'm not sure if this is because everyone isn't ridiculously over-powered and down syncing from max level, or if they just made bosses in SB have more HP. I don't mind the change too much as it makes it a little more of an endurance fight which works well for big bosses.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 23, 2017, 02:05:45 PM
My friend told me to tell you guys no one was in fates because everyone is chain running front line pvp with the +4% exp food to get 700k XP every 10-15 minutes. 

:idont
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 23, 2017, 02:22:01 PM
tbh they are. p.s. pvp is fun
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 23, 2017, 02:29:18 PM
My friend told me to tell you guys no one was in fates because everyone is chain running front line pvp with the +4% exp food to get 700k XP every 10-15 minutes. 

:idont

I thought it was only once a day? You can do it over and over again for the xp? :lol they really don't know how to balance their game. 2 years of people doing nothing but PvP to level...guess they really wanted to populate PvP!

But yeah, my frontline queue pops in 2-3mins whereas any other queue is 30 mins+
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on June 23, 2017, 05:00:22 PM
3 accounts later and a quiet customer support, I finally got the game up and running for good, and can actually get into it now. It's annoying having to do the MSQ again so soon but at least I can skip the cutscenes.

It's on sale on Steam, and Steam Wallet let me use my non-Japanese card to pay for the sub, so I'll be able to use the account just fine after moving (might have issues with optional items though). Also because of all the forth and back, I ended up with an extra game+ARR key I'll probably give away on my Twitter or something.

Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 23, 2017, 06:09:29 PM
um what is your Twitter
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on June 23, 2017, 06:14:01 PM
You know someone who needs the key? It's EU though, and I'm not 100% it works (although it should since I didn't activate it in-game yet). But region doesn't matter, unless they're restricting payments in EU acc like they do with Japanese ones. Probably just need an EU SE account to activate it.

But anyway (https://twitter.com/ayu)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 23, 2017, 06:25:34 PM
oh right eu. well I'll still follow bc i like your posts here
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on June 23, 2017, 06:39:31 PM
Thanks, and likewise of course!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 23, 2017, 06:51:18 PM
Speaking of keys. SE did not want to refund my non-steam PC Stormblood. So I have an extra NA Heavensward + Stormblood key. But finding someone in NA who plays FFXIV but not on steam...good luck.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 23, 2017, 06:54:26 PM
well...if you're looking to give it away...i know someone who has the non-steam arr but not the expansions... :-*
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 23, 2017, 06:57:25 PM
Not at the free point yet, but would be willing to trade for like a gifted $15-20 steam game on my wishlist or something.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 23, 2017, 06:59:14 PM
ok gimme a min
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 23, 2017, 08:49:24 PM
tried to take on an a-rank hunt at 63 and the aoe did 36k dmg. :( i miss being strong.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 23, 2017, 09:55:18 PM
Ya, I don't fuck with even B rank lvl.70s until I'm lvl.70.
On day 1 though, there were like 100 people taking on A/S-rank hunts in the first area and winning with sheer numbers. Was pretty rad.

Speaking of hunts, I don't get why SB clan uses Centurio seals from HW? Like you can go kill this SB lvl.63 rank 1 hunt and get 3 centurio seals and like 3k xp, or you can go to HW area and easily kill a lvl.56 rank 3 hunt and get 12 centurio seals and 35k xp. Like shouldn't SB either use a new type of seals or make rank 1 SB hunts worth more than rank 3 HW seals? Idk, some of the game design in this game is cray :dizzy
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on June 23, 2017, 10:26:04 PM
Started a new character last night, which I plan on playing as much as possible until I move out of Japan. Coincidentally two of the JP servers are currently offering extra XP gain for new players, so I just picked one of those. How long do those offers usually last? Are they time based or level based?

I'll probably do a world transfer to my friend's EU server once I move.. the ping between EU and JP was always really bad, and I can imagine it would be dead by the time I'm awake/available to play. :'( Same goes with US servers probably.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 23, 2017, 11:20:55 PM
Not sure how long the extra GP gain is. I think it's only for levels up to 30 or 50? There's so many xp+ stuff for lvl.1-30 it's pretty nice. Are you still on your free trial period? If so have a friend on the server give you a friend code and you'll get a +20% xp hair feather for lvl.1-30. Combine that with the Hall of Novice +30% xp ring for lvl.1-25 and all the other xp bonuses and you'll level pretty quick!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on June 24, 2017, 12:53:22 AM
UltrosGAF was dead during evening JST. Only had like 2-3 people playing. Anyway, I don't mind trying a EU one when I can.

I did use my friend's recruitment code, but I'm on ARR, not a trial. Will it still work? I haven't been in-game yet, only created a character before going to bed. Will what I need be in my mail?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 24, 2017, 01:57:31 AM
I think you're good, yeah!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 24, 2017, 03:37:19 PM
Did Alexander Turn 1-4 normal with GAF. Was really fun! The production values in Alexander are stellar and the goblins are great. Difficulty-wise, even sync is a joke now and watching the guides after we skipped some boss stages because we killed them too fast, but hopefully one day I'll get a group of people who want to do Savage sync and those will be the challenge fights.

Looking forward to Omega and actually having a challenging set of fights available that you can find parties for.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 25, 2017, 03:04:12 AM
Nah, grinding burns out but it's the best way a lot of the times efficiently to get where you need to be. I know grinding a second battle job to the point I can use it on MSQ would drain me so much I'm just sticking with Ninja until I completely catch up in MSQ. Then maybe I'll work on getting other jobs up there.

Ideally I'd like to have a tank/healer at 50/60 so I can get into queues for 2.x and 3.x stuff quick when I want to do them for fun or with others.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on June 25, 2017, 08:07:19 AM
Is there any gil campaign or anything for new players to help with currency? I recall reading something someone said, but I don't remember where so I can't search/ask them. I've got a lot of bonux XP gain and it's going very fast, but I'm so broke. lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 25, 2017, 09:23:02 AM
i cant think of anything offhand that'd be a quick way to get gil. by the time you complete the 2.0 story you should have like 500k+ gil, but other that that you'll have to level crafters or sell orchestrion scrolls or something.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 25, 2017, 09:04:31 PM
Had some fun with PvP. Won a frontlines match for our team when we were neck and neck so I hung by myself around a unlit crystal in shatter, then when it lit I got a bunch of damage in before anyone showed and it won us the match :rock

Then I tried Feast for the first time and did a ranked 4 v 4. I was doing really good and had like 4 kills and no deaths and we were ahead by a ton, my teammates were even giving me props, especially since it was my first match, then in the last 30 seconds our healer died and it being the first match I had no idea how PvP worked so I kept fighting and died instead of retreating and they took ALL MY MEDALS and won :( Was kinda embarassing :lol  :'(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on June 26, 2017, 11:45:48 AM
Btw, I forgot to complain about this here yet, but they nerfed Sprint from 30 to 60 seconds. :lol
I'm using a lot of bonus XP stuff now, so even though I'm level 20 now, I'm on MSQ 15-ish so I can't get my chocobo yet. rip

i cant think of anything offhand that'd be a quick way to get gil. by the time you complete the 2.0 story you should have like 500k+ gil, but other that that you'll have to level crafters or sell orchestrion scrolls or something.
Okay, thanks! Hopefully I'll get that stuff down and going in an efficient way.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on June 26, 2017, 02:56:32 PM
Sprint nerf is cuz it doesnt cost TP now, so its viable to use in-combat for non-caster jobs.

Did the first warring triad trial Sephirot (hard). Was pretty cool and fun battle. Kinda ;_; that I'll never get to experience the real extreme version cause I've got to imagine it's pretty challenging. Now everyone will be unsync 70. At least I got to do Thordan extreme before SB came out.

Just gotta do them with a lower amount of people then. My crew and I did all of coil unsyced as a 4 man light party around when HW launched, and stuff was still really hard due to how much more complicated the fights are with less people. Speedstats and I two-manned T13 just last night and it was still a fun romp. Now we're gonna see how 4-man Thordan, Nidhogg and the Warring Triad works out once everyone is geared up and ready.

Anyway, fuck this tower, never climbing it again (that's a lie, i probably will cuz the view is great)
(http://abload.de/img/ffxiv_06262017_140540x5s79.png)
(http://abload.de/img/ffxiv_06262017_144923gxsn9.png)



Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 27, 2017, 01:26:23 AM
Welcome back Sunblade!, how are you enjoying SB so far?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 27, 2017, 03:44:36 PM
MSQ-wise I'm lvl.66 at the

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Nadeem solo instance
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So I guess I'm about 60%-70% through the MSQ. I like it. Feels like the theme of this expansion is about meeting and interacting with different cultures around the globe and their spiritualism and values vs the standard medieval knights motif of HW. It's definitely a lot more expansive in scope, though nothing so far gets the more in-depth character building on the smaller and tighter HW. The dungeons are amazing and the extra budget that went into production values shines in them. Each of the Othard maps has been solid and felt unique. Haven't explored enough of the Gyr Abania stuff to tell but Fringes seemed kinda foresty -> wasteland whereas Peaks is more rocky mountains? I still have 50%+ to explore on each of them and haven't seen the last map. I'm actually a little surprised the maps aren't more detailed graphically considering they ditched the PS3. Like you can feel it in the dungeons and Hingashi is a little bigger in scope with no separate loading zones, but the maps look and feel about the same imo and sometimes look great and othertimes look kinda PS2-ish. Maybe next expansion they can upgrade the locations visually? I think the best looking maps so far are Azy Lls, Sea of Clouds, Tailfeather and Churning Mists.

The Ninja job quest's been good. If you fucked up doing a Ninja story in Japan, you're a bad writer. Some fun platforming and things to do in the quests in town. Fisher job quest which is the only other 60+ SB job quest I'm doing has been ok so far. Making quest items only spawn during the quest is both good and bad. It keeps people from cheating through job quests by just buying the goal items, but a lot of Fishing money is made from selling job quest items on the MB. I've caught like 30-40 different fish in SB so far and have barely sold any of them even at dirt cheap. There's just no market/use for 95% of the fish in the game and my Culnarian's Desynth level is so low I can't even break them apart for goods. One day maybe I'll grind my Cul's desynth level.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 27, 2017, 04:42:37 PM
i agree that the maps look less dense than hw and in a lot of areas just less impressive, but i gotta say the art direction in the entire game overall might be my favorite in any game ever. one of the reasons I was so upset that Japanese companies had a hard time initially with hd was because they tend to be a lot more creative with their art design. the west gave us hyper detailed dilapidation, but i wanted a giant beautiful creative 3d world. this game totally delivers. i spent all weekend running around the ruby sea map and visited
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a fishing village, a demon-shaped volcano, multiple undersea cities, an underwater temple, a tower that rose to the sky, pirate encampments, a turtle village, shipwrecks, and more
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and that was all in one map! it's so fun to keep going because i have no idea what kind of wild shit they'll come up with next.

I've of these days I need to post my photos in an online album. they're mostly landscape shots, but the game looks so good that it's fun to go back and check them out time and time again.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 27, 2017, 04:46:24 PM
Yeah, Ruby Sea is really cool. Wish you could go in the volcano!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on June 28, 2017, 12:28:43 AM
The /size/ of Ruby Sea is something that still surprises me. Like, the overworld is big enough, but then the underwater and all of the air bubbles are all still part of the same loaded map, whereas we used to think that the bubble transition meant it was loading something different. But nope, can totally see and emote at people underwater and outside the bubbles and can see through them. Kinda blew my mind cause I know PS3 wouldn't have allowed that.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 28, 2017, 12:44:38 PM
Liking it so far but taking my time (lies, work interfering with proper catass). Almost level 65 just got to zone after Ruby Sea.

I did not miss aether currents :lol

Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 28, 2017, 12:47:24 PM
Is there any gil campaign or anything for new players to help with currency? I recall reading something someone said, but I don't remember where so I can't search/ask them. I've got a lot of bonux XP gain and it's going very fast, but I'm so broke. lol

If on low pop server (which you may be as getting double xp), I think you get 1 mil at lvl 30.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 28, 2017, 01:19:33 PM
is climbing kugane tower part of a quest later on or is it just a personal challenge people are doing?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on June 28, 2017, 05:26:48 PM
Both. There's no quest for it, but there's a sightseeing log entry at the top if you want to fill it out and unlock all the paintings for the new zones.

I just did it because if I did the ARR sightseeing log, I could climb some dumb tower.  :punch
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 28, 2017, 05:48:16 PM
today i learned, thanks to a reddit thread, that you have to retrieve the gil your retainers make after selling something. ive been playing for over a year and a half. i had over eight million gil stored. this is the most shameful moment in my gaming career, hands down  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 28, 2017, 07:52:52 PM
today i learned, thanks to a reddit thread, that you have to retrieve the gil your retainers make after selling something. ive been playing for over a year and a half. i had over eight million gil stored. this is the most shameful moment in my gaming career, hands down  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

:lol that's a happy revelation!

But like, you never noticed you were selling things for a year+ and you never got any money for anything?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 28, 2017, 08:08:52 PM
i thought I was just really bad at keeping track of how much I earned and spent :/ when I'd look at my gil after making a sale I'd ask if there was a delay before you got your money, and when people would say no i just assumed i was wrong about how much I had before the sale.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 28, 2017, 09:22:32 PM
Man, hitting the level lock every level increase in MSQ. It's like I'm 2 million xp short for lvl.67 and I could do 20 sidequests for 90k xp each...or I could just do frontlines twice and get it in 30 mins. Frontlines xp is so good it sorta makes everything else kinda pointless in xp. Might as well just play until each lock and then grind frontlines for 30-120 mins every level. At least I'm getting a Garo armor set out of it.

Or they could just make the MSQ give more xp, so you don't have to pointlessly grind just to get through the story with your first character. Grinding should be left for 2nd jobs.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 29, 2017, 02:01:50 PM
today i learned, thanks to a reddit thread, that you have to retrieve the gil your retainers make after selling something. ive been playing for over a year and a half. i had over eight million gil stored. this is the most shameful moment in my gaming career, hands down  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

:lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 29, 2017, 04:42:33 PM
My Miner hit 60 and I geared him up with scrips so he can join the SB world with my NIN & FSH, doing the job quests from ARR to get to the SB Miner quests. Goldsmith is almost at 60 so I'll be doing that with GSM soon too. Everyone else is still low/mid-50s but I do my GC turn-ins every day without fail + moogle crafting quests + weekly souvenir for scrips so they're all moving up there.

Hit lvl.67 through frontlines grinding (took 3 matches) so will continue MSQ over the weekend, maybe even finish it depending on how much more frontlines grinding I gotta do between levels. Would be nice to be there when everyone I know does Omega next week.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on June 29, 2017, 05:08:43 PM
i thought I was just really bad at keeping track of how much I earned and spent :/ when I'd look at my gil after making a sale I'd ask if there was a delay before you got your money, and when people would say no i just assumed i was wrong about how much I had before the sale.
Sending you my thoughts and prayers.

Seriously though, that fucking blows.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 29, 2017, 06:42:54 PM
All in all not too bad. Imagine if it deleted after 60 days or some nonsense  :doge
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 29, 2017, 06:52:37 PM
dear god stop scaring me

in other news: omg the azim steppe! the visuals! the music! the people talking about delicious food!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 29, 2017, 11:10:28 PM
I just passed the 65 gate, heading there tomorrow :hyper
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on June 29, 2017, 11:15:42 PM
Been too busy playing other games I aquired from the Steam sale. :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 30, 2017, 02:00:40 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/MoLoUr6h.jpg)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 30, 2017, 12:40:23 PM
fuck, Stormblood made a change that wastes 20-30 mins of time. They removed carbonized matter from the game since you don't need it for materia melding now. It's not on the MB, vendors don't sell it, quests don't give it. Sounds fine, right?

But there are gathering job class quests that require 99 of it.

So now I gotta go and mine 20+ nodes for 30 mins to get 99 grade 1 carbonized matter ;_; to advance the miner job questline. Guessing Botanist job questline will run into the same issue.

*edit* actually wasn't a big deal. Never collected 99 of things before, only the 40 item leves, but it didn't take too long, maybe 10 mins. It's kinda funny because they changed the job quest dialogue with 4.0, now when you bring carbonized matter back, the person says "yeah, they used to need this for melding materia to gear, but recently they discovered catalyist-free melding so it's useless now, but technology advancement is great! So good for them."
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 30, 2017, 09:29:03 PM
So beb, what is your /timeplayed?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 01, 2017, 05:07:35 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/a07pME0h.jpg)

Hit MSQ 68, game is great now. Really into it and will probably finish it this weekend. Was up late because I couldn't put it down. Some really good story beats.

Also I finally got a decent armor set for my Ninja, it's...Assassin's Creed gear, which kinda makes sense as a stealth ninja assassin job.

(http://i.imgur.com/yzIi5hLh.jpg)

So beb, what is your /timeplayed?

~538 hours over like 5 months of playing.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 01, 2017, 03:23:31 PM
I am at 1378 somehow. :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 01, 2017, 04:22:31 PM
Did Alexander Normal A5-A9 this morning with the gaf group. We did the final stage A9 on min ilvl sync so there'd be a challenge. At first I was like ok, this is slightly tougher but still kinda easy surprisingly for min ilvl. I sorta expected something on Coil/Extreme fights kinda challenge.

...then it went to the second phase with the robots and I was like ok, fight's still going, this is cool.

.....then they GATTAI'D and the music kicked in and ohhhh crap, that was AWESOME on min ilvl. Healer had to LB3 midway or we would've wiped. Best fight I've done since Nidhogg's Rage. Good challenge and just a ton of fun. Now I want to do every boss/raid in the game on min ilvl!

Will probably finish Alexander tomorrow or next week and then dive into Omega, which hopefully should be closer to the min ilvl kinda challenge since it's new.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on July 01, 2017, 06:17:18 PM
FUCK KUGANE TOWER AND EVERYONE INVOLVED IN DESIGNING IT OH MY FUCKING GOD JESUS
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 01, 2017, 06:26:31 PM
lol, I'm so not doing that.

Good luck!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on July 01, 2017, 06:29:09 PM
I'd rather play every disappearing block section of Megaman as Simon Belmont then do this shit. fuck me
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: doctavius bonbon on July 02, 2017, 02:13:27 AM
Years of platforming in Guild Wars 2 have prepared me for this day.  EZiest tower climb of my life.

edit: you're not in GAF too are you? a bunch of us were attempting to climb it tonight as well.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 02, 2017, 02:38:24 AM
Ultros (or just the influx from SB in general) has the worst players. Did the 2nd trial in SB and 1 second in the tank runs and starts the fight and everyone is moving before anyone has time to even put protect or explain any mechanics. Like 3-4 people said they were new, but the tank and some of the others just didn't give a shit and started fighting.

This is like every dungeon/trial I've done in SB. No one stops at bosses or talks at all to explain shit. Prior to SB, the player quality was pretty good and people were nice and friendly and talked a bit and would stop at each boss/trial and explain some stuff if people said they were new. But these new players are awful. Glad most of the game is single player and will stick to FC for extreme fights.

 :maf

Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on July 02, 2017, 05:55:05 AM
Years of platforming in Guild Wars 2 have prepared me for this day.  EZiest tower climb of my life.

edit: you're not in GAF too are you? a bunch of us were attempting to climb it tonight as well.

Nah I'm on hyperion. there was still a shitload of people attempting it at the same time i was though
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on July 02, 2017, 11:10:57 AM
Ultros (or just the influx from SB in general) has the worst players. Did the 2nd trial in SB and 1 second in the tank runs and starts the fight and everyone is moving before anyone has time to even put protect or explain any mechanics. Like 3-4 people said they were new, but the tank and some of the others just didn't give a shit and started fighting.

This is like every dungeon/trial I've done in SB. No one stops at bosses or talks at all to explain shit. Prior to SB, the player quality was pretty good and people were nice and friendly and talked a bit and would stop at each boss/trial and explain some stuff if people said they were new. But these new players are awful. Glad most of the game is single player and will stick to FC for extreme fights.

 :maf

I'm not sure why you seem to have the worst luck with DF players during your first runs of stuff, even during your ARR days. We barely had any explanations during my two SB trials, but at least people waited until ready before they started the fight.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on July 02, 2017, 11:34:44 AM
Yesteday was aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawesome. I took speedstats and another FC mate and a learning party for Emanation Extreme, stating that we wanted to go in blind. We went through two parties (with some people sticking around after others left) and cleared it after I made a macro telling people to pop Vril every time they needed to do so. Fun fight! (SMN friend got double casting drops, lucky fucker)

(http://i.imgur.com/vYCXm5b.jpg)


Soon after, our 4th musketeer who plays from Japan logged on and we decided to give some older EX Trials a shot as a man party since some of us hadn't cleared them. Ravana and Bismark went down easily enough, but then we hit up Thordan and made up plan after plan to cheese as many mechanics as possible. Lots of echo later and panicking later, we beat that one too.

(http://i.imgur.com/zvRUTAr.jpg)

We tried to do Nidhogg and Sephirot, but soon learned that neither of them are possible to 4 man because of tether mechanics involved (and you can't have one person grab more than one, otherwise it'd be doable). Unfortunate, but we then pressed on to Sophia, who took us for a RIDE. Probably the most daunting of the "slams the arena and makes you fall off" variety of EX primal, and her AoE attacks even felt like they hit harder than Emanaition EX's in a lot of points. We managed to edge out a last second DoT/pet kill as we were falling to our deaths from missing a last second shove mechanic, which had us all reeling.

https://twitter.com/i/videos/881443965723176961?

But hey, clearing it is all that matters. Just leaves Zurvan as the only HW EX trial we haven't attempted, before moving onto Alexander Savage.... (lol)

(http://i.imgur.com/gsapyU6.jpg)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 02, 2017, 02:08:03 PM
Sunblade, do you already have all your classes from 60-70? Or just your main battle class?


I got a nice new body armor for my NIN, back to being stylish while scratching my butt.

(http://i.imgur.com/aU8Iexxh.jpg)

Then lvl.69 MSQ lock...fuck! That is a lot of xp needed! At like 800k per frontlines, that's probably 5 matches. Don't even wanna think how bad lvl.70 lock is gonna be!

(http://i.imgur.com/3vMoNvlh.jpg)

At least I've figured out how to watch Netflix while grinding frontlines. So will get through some more eps of Glow during that grind.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on July 02, 2017, 03:44:33 PM
I've had every job/class at 60 for a while, yeah. Even Jobs I have little to no interest in are easy enough to level just by doing Beast Tribe / leveling roulette every day for a while, and Moogle Beast tribes made leveling the crafters completely trivial.

I've got Warrior and Red Mage at 70 right now, leveling Dark Knight (so I can get rid of my tank leveling gear soon) and Fisher for when I wanna casual it up.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 02, 2017, 04:13:51 PM
Nice. Yeah I saw you had everything at 60 so was wondering how long/fast it takes to get everything up another 10 levels with a new expansion. If you've got 2 at 70 already that's pretty good. My Fisher is at 67 which is my next closest after my lvl.68 NIN.

Speaking of Beast Tribes, the ARR beast tribes are a paaaaaaain in the butt to get to the near-max rank to do the combined quest. Flying really made beast tribes quest much more bearable. I have Ixali like 1 rank away but doing only the turn-in quest is going to take like a year at this rate. At some point when I'm bored down the line I'll just grind out all the ARR beast tribes for completion (and their stories; I actually like the Ixali story so I wanna finish it).
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on July 02, 2017, 04:37:20 PM
It helps that I basically left sidequests completely untouched while doing the MSQ. I play a tank, so I'd just do a few dungeon runs with Speedstats, combined with the bonus exp FATES made it so we only got level locked from the MSQ at like 68-70, and not by much. She leveled Astrologian afterwards and sped up my Red Mage dungeon queues, and now I'm doing the same for her as Dark Knight/Ninja while feeding all the sidequest exp that I didnt use on the first go.

Also religiously doing my SB hunts every day for the job that I'm leveling, since its like more than a million xp at lower levels and even higher as you level them up. Likely gonna leave the pool of other jobs untouched until the Kojin / Ananta beast tribe quests come out.

Thanks to all those dungeon runs, I have new leveling gear for every Tank/caster slot from 64-69.....
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 02, 2017, 05:29:01 PM
Did my 5 frontlines and got to 69, I think for 69-70 I'll get to the final dungeon and then do my roulettes even if the xp payout is weaker (especially considering queue times) for some variety. Don't think I can take another 10 frontline matches...
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on July 02, 2017, 06:09:35 PM
Level 69 dungeon is much like 59's Great Gubal in that its an exp fountain. 3-4 runs of that + the MSQ exp will get you to 70 no sweat.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 03, 2017, 01:51:36 AM
Never knew leveling roulette gave way more xp than the others.

At lvl.69:

Trial Roulette = ~800k xp
lvl.50-60 dungeon = ~800k xp
leveling roulette = ~1.5 million xp

That combined with the actual xp from the stuff got me from 0 xp to 5.8 million already and I only need 10.8 million for lvl.70 and haven't done the lvl.69 dungeon yet or final area. Hopefully that will be enough to get to the ending.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 03, 2017, 03:49:29 AM
Got to lvl.70 and the final map. Kinda boring looking just like Peaks and Fringes. The more I think about it, the more I think the Gyr Abania side of the expansion is kinda mediocre. Lyse sucks, the snake beast tribe sucks, the maps are all boring desert/rocks, the plot is zzz. Whereas Doma has pirates and ninja turtles and catfish funny guys and warring tribes and ninjas and samurai and Gosetsu and Yugiri and Heian, underwater oceans and Hingashi. Doma is fun, Gyr Abania feels like "stuff they just had to take care of because of lingering storylines and the only area left on the continent from 2.0"

Also the game feels like two completely separate expansion. It's really done a piss poor job tying the two plotlines of Doma and Gyr Abania together. Hell, at the end of Doma:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Wasn't Yugiri coming back with you to help from Doma's side?...so far she hasn't been in anything, done anything. Also Estenien stuff is so disconnected as well.
[close]

Hopefully the end stuff is good, but I definitely feel like the expansion does some stuff better than HW, but other stuff is a step back. Azy Lls was such a cool final dungeon area (although it needed another teleport point), and locations like the Sea of Clouds, Churning Mists, Tailfeather just had so much variety. I really hope when they do an expansion in the empire at some point that they put more effort in variety for the maps so it's not all just magitek sci-fi fortress maps. I kinda wonder if they'll do 2 different countries at a time with that expansion to because it's a way to add variety in locals (doma being very different than gyr abania).

At least the Doma maps are varied. You have giant sea ocean, you have shenmue china, and you have game of thrones great plains. Gyr Abania maps are way too similar due to the climate being the same across the region. Maybe it should've only had like 2 maps and they could've used one for a final area like Azy Lls or given Doma another one.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on July 03, 2017, 04:32:05 AM
Edit: Whops, ended up replying to page 1 posts. :rofl
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 03, 2017, 08:41:48 PM
How long is it going to take to grind to i300 assuming Omega tomorrow is min i300 to get in? I unlocked the final dungeon and got my i290 lvl.70 job gear. Assuming I do the final dungeon/boss tonight, how quick can I grind from 290->i300 tomorrow to join friends playing Omega normal?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 03, 2017, 11:41:52 PM
Well, scratch that. A friend hit me up right after I posted that and was in town so we got dinner/drinks and caught up. Duckroll says I need 3-4 hours free between queuing for the final dungeon and the end of the credits so with maintenance in 80 mins I'll do them tomorrow. If I don't get to i300 tomorrow, that's fine, I'm sure people will still be playing Omega later this week and this weekend.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 04, 2017, 12:37:16 AM
Didn't have time to do the final dungeon so did ZURVAN (normal) and finished the warring triad storyline. Zurvan was a fun fight, I liked the platform dropping at the start, didn't expect that. All the warring triad fights were pretty cool. Looking forward to doing them on extreme sync at some point.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on July 04, 2017, 02:22:37 AM
ilvl to get into Omega is apparently i295. The dungeon gear from the dungeons is i300 and the verity gear is i310, so getting to i300 is p cake.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 04, 2017, 02:46:50 PM
Welp, got to the final boss trial but can't beat the game because everyone is on their fucking roulette and drops after first wipe because they don't want to spend the time. We had a wipe at the start on the first attack and then both healers dropped and we never got two back. Someone said it was their 4th attempt because people keep quitting right away.

There needs to be a huge penalty for quitting a duty unless it's been 15 mins or fewer than max players. Like I think you should lose a fucking level. If you're not willing to at least give 15 mins of effort, don't roulette.
I might have to get an actual PF or GAF FC full 8 person team together just to do the final boss fight without people dropping (which sucks because the queues are like 20 mins each time that happens).

Then I was reading how Omega has the weekly capped loot thing like usual, but I just realized that if everyone grinds Omega today over and over to get their 1 token for each tier, then...by tomorrow it'll be impossible to get a team to do Omega because there's no point for most people who have their tokens... Just feels like the community is weird at launch and if you miss things by a day or two you're fucked.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 04, 2017, 05:05:34 PM
GAF FC to the rescue. Got a team together and did the final boss. Watching the credit roll now. Good game, but one of the worst stories I've seen in an rpg in years. Reminds me of bad PS2 rpg stories. Not sure if it's the worst FF story for me, but definitely top 3. I liked XIII's plot & cast better than this which is tough to be worse than! Even ARR was better than Ala Mhigo.

Doma half was good tho
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 04, 2017, 10:07:43 PM
Wrote up my Stormblood review of 4.0 on GAF: Ending spoilers, so obviously don't read unless you've beat the game.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=242611546&postcount=10432
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on July 04, 2017, 11:59:24 PM
currently feeling maximum triggeration
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 05, 2017, 02:31:42 AM
Did both of the post-game dungeons and got just enough drops that with one verity tomestone exchange hit 295 exactly and unlocked the first set of Omega. Just gotta do that tomorrow and then done with all the SB content and get to go back and do all the 3.x I've got left (which is a lot). :)

Oh yeah, and the two Ex fights, forgot about those. Hopefully doing Omega will get me drops to go from i295 to i300 so I can do those.

Also, been reading on how they overcompensated with Paladin and made it way too good and now PLDs are like solo-ing every boss. Coming from the last 6 months of playing where everyone is like PLD is the worst of the three, PLDs suck, everyone is a WAR, it's weird. I feel like they have a hard time balancing the game and jobs go from underpowered to overpowered and back and forth.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on July 06, 2017, 03:34:37 PM
3.0 WAR was great because the whole kit had great synergy between all of its skills, making for a really fun job that provided great raid utility and was a blast to play well. DRK was always a poorly designed job that people still played because it had a few fun ideas, and PLD was "the simple tank" that had the worst defensive CDs, the lowest damage potential, worst forms of mitigation and no form of AoE damage.

Along comes Stormblood and both WAR and DRK are heavily affected by the change in combat philosophy it brought. "Easy" single press damage buttons like Fracture, Scourge and Mutilate got removed. Press and forget free damage oGCDs like Brutal Swing, Low Blow and Reprisal got removed or changed to not do damage. All tanks had their mitigation reduction debuff removed. The introduction of gauges completely changed the way WAR and DRK play the game, as well as nerfing some of DRK's MP recovery options. Suffice to say that those two jobs require heavy re-learning on how to effectively play their jobs now.

But then Paladin seemly gets totally ignored by all of the combat changes the other jobs in the game went through. They kept both their single press AoE DoT and their single target combo DoT. They kept their GCD Stun move while the other two tanks have to grab a role action to stun. They kept BOTH of their free oGCD damage moves. Every single one of their previous moves had its potency buffed. They had a brand new physical AoE attack added as a level 47 skill, meaning Paladin got an additional new move that no other job in the game got. Where the other two tanks have to use their new meter gauge to execute their attacks, all Paladins use their gauge for is two defensive CDs (and they dont have to actively raise the gauge, its done so automatically). Where WAR had its fell cleave nerfed by changing the main stat value for tanks and Dark Knights had their single largest source of damage (Scourge) removed, PLDs not get a ranged, uninterruptible magic Fell Cleave that they can spam independently of anything they're doing.

As strong as 3.0 WAR was, I honestly think 4.0 PLD might be even more broken that that. 3.0 WAR was capable of surviving own for long periods of time, but all it did affectedly only its own survival. 4.0 PLD can dish out 3.0 WAR's damage, can heal itself AND the party with single ridiculously strong spells (that also heal himself when done on party members), can toss out defensive buffs to let party members survive shit, and has the lowest penalty for needing to swap stances. I was always a huge proponent of the other tanks being made as fun/strong as 3.0 WAR rather than WAR getting brought down.

tl;dr - PLD is seemingly the only job in the game that wasn't at all changed by the 4.0 combat changes, got free shit outside of its new 61-70 skills, got to keep a lot of utility and shit that got deleted from the other tanks plus was made even stronger.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on July 06, 2017, 04:29:31 PM
i'd argue blm was also mostly unchanged. a lot of little stuff was shuffled around, but the way the class plays is largely unchanged from 3.0 to 4.0. not that i mind, bc i ofc think it's really fun and like that it's more lenient with fuckups now.

also i started red mage yesterday and really enjoy it! it's fast and easy to use, and the sword moves look like they took some inspiration from devil may cry lol. think i'll be putting a lot of time into it.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 07, 2017, 03:03:16 AM
Gonna try to finish up Omega this weekend (need V3/V4) and then might take a couple month break as I'm starting to feel burnt out. For some reason seeing how fast people level makes me feel like I'm doing it wrong and wasting my time. Like I have no idea how people have all their crafters/gatherers at 70 already. Seems like you'd need to either have 100 million gil to spend (using leve tradeins) or somehow put like 200 hours into crafting/gathering in 2 weeks time.

I mean I'm not sure if there's a more efficient way to level all those jobs? I do all my daily GC turn ins and try to do HQ if possible + 3 moogle quests a day. Doing every single day since SB's release, my crafters/gatherers have gained maybe 3-5 levels each on average. I was just around lvl.50 with all my crafters and now they're around 53-55. I have 100 leves that I never use because grinding leves as gatherers is incredibly dull and as crafters it's just too damn expensive in the post-50 world. I don't have the gil to spend more than about 20-30k for a GC or leve trade-in item and most in the lvl.50+ game are like 80k-120k, especially if you want HQ. If I spent 100k x 8-10 classes on HQ items per day that'd burn through 1 million gil a day and I can't afford that. Idk, just feels like doing GC turn-ins and moogle crafting quests for crafters under 60 is gonna take like 6 months of doing that every day to get them all from 53/54/55-70. So when I see people doing it in 2 weeks, knowing it's going to take 6 months of an hour of work every day to get to the same point, just sorta burns my interest in the grind out.

Maybe I just need another break from crafting/gathering. Leveling those classes really burns you out on the game like nothing else. Never feel burnt out from battle class stuff, it's always just the daily grind work for very tiny xp progress in crafting/gathering classes (daily GC turn in XP feels really tiny as you get closer to and above 60; even moogle crafting quests would give me near 1 level per day from 3 quests, but at 59 it took like 4 days/12 quests to go up 1 level to 60 with my GSM; 4 days of work just to get one level... :|)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 07, 2017, 02:29:46 PM
Some people just grind nonstop. I can't and wouldn't want to do it, IDGAFOS about clearing stuff Fast I move glacially. There is tons of content I still haven't done and I've been playing since 1.0  :doge

That said I did hit 70 on my WHM and finished up the class quest, will beat MSQ today or tomorrow hopefully. Still haven't unlocked new jobs, only unlocked new mining chain.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 07, 2017, 05:37:50 PM
I'm surprised. I actually would've thought Odin both FATE and trial would be tougher now with the -25% DPS penalty on death since Odin = massive deaths. Unless on the FATE you can use lvl.70 characters now? That would probably overshadow the DPS loss by higher DPS.

Doing Odin Trial sync now though...fffffuuuck that. They really screwed over DPS check bosses/enrages with the new weakness. We couldn't beat Omega V3 the other night entirely because of that change. We just weren't doing enough damage and would hit the enrage every time and it's not because people aren't doing good enough DPS, but that there are a lot of deaths and then everyone is doing -25% DPS.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 08, 2017, 03:03:18 AM
Finished Omega V3/V4! V3 is pretty rough even with good teams. The part where the boss fan cleave AoEs, puts targets on some players and does a stack at the same time is just brutal and even with a good party we had deaths (I died). But still beat it.

I actually think they nerfed V3 in the latest patch. The night before the patch we kept hitting the enrage so much I could basically tell how many patterns the boss would go through before enrage wipe, but when we did it tonight I kept thinking we were going to wipe but the enrage never came and it kept going and going and we beat it...idk. V4 was fun but kinda easy...until I was told about the mechanics afterwards and realized my team carried me ^^; It's a bit grindy though, so much HP.

Also finished Alexander A9-12 normal with gaf fc! Was a bit boring on normal, but I liked some of the mechanics in T12 with the

spoiler (click to show/hide)
time freezing
[close]

Also the story was enjoyable. So now I just gotta somehow find people who want to do A1-12 Savage sync with me. Gonna be hard!  :'(
Otherwise just have all the Ex bosses from HW & SB left outside Thordan which I did already. That takes care of all the tough fights.

Being a fisher I've caught a lot of SB treasure maps and have been hanging on to them even though they sell for about 60k+ gil. Need to try them out with a team as I've never done team treasure hunting. Also never done Aquapolis or the Diadum thing, so wanna check those out.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 08, 2017, 03:39:03 AM
Beat MSQ. was an ok ride but kinda expected a bit more from zenos. Last trial pugs were a. It of a disaster, went in blind  :doge

By third go round I wasn't the one dying, but toook three groups till could beat.

We obliterated in third group lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 08, 2017, 02:50:13 PM
Don't do Diadem solo unless you're going as a DoL, preferably at max.

 You won't be able to clear even some of the weaker mobs by yourself, and 100% of the time you'll only be partied with other bot/min/fsh.

Oh, it's not a combat thing like PoTD? Interesting. Is it a good way to level gatherer/crafter jobs?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 08, 2017, 03:36:39 PM
Also, finishing the MSQ, Omega and Alexander feels like I hit a turning point in the game. No more big long things left, just bite sized stuff I can do at my own pace. Being able to go on and just do a dungeon or an ex boss or a job quest or two feels a lot more chill, like instead of being the main game taking up all my gaming time for months, it can be sorta a secondary thing I just pick up and play a little here and there.

Feeling less burnt out now.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on July 08, 2017, 06:04:22 PM
diadem is another field map, set up like sea of clouds. you go in as a fighter or gatherer and fulfill certain objectives to get currency and drops. theres a bunch of unique items and events, including a huge superboss fight that requires coordination across multiple teams.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on July 08, 2017, 06:46:54 PM
The temporary server I'm on is garbage. It's really empty and no one ever queues. I wanted back into Tonberry but it's not accepting new characters, and will probably be locked for a long time. :(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on July 08, 2017, 07:11:34 PM
bleh that sucks, you tried using party finder? i know it'd be a pain for dailies, but could at least prolly use it to clear content.

grinded Thordan Ex today with my fc, and we came away with nothing... except for me, who got the mount, the music sheet, and the triple triad card. all on the first round.

i should feel guilty, but i don't  8)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on July 08, 2017, 09:01:58 PM
figured i'd play some more story tonight, so i do a quest that takes me to the lochs. i see a bunch of fancy mounts running into the pathway and then rubber banding right back and im like ???? turns out everyone is just camping for the stupid ixion fate to get the mount, and the map is so full no one else is allowed in! and that hasn't stopped a whole shitload of people from trying over and over again. its raubahn all over again. the fate might not even be up for another 4-5 hours. this sucks so fucking bad all i can do is laugh. good lord.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 08, 2017, 11:17:00 PM
Wow, that's ridiculous. Yeah, people seem really hung up on these fates. Whenever I'm in Yanxia for fishing all I see on the chat is tons of people constantly talking about the fox lady fate. Idk what the big deal is.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on July 08, 2017, 11:29:19 PM
they want the new shiny asap. it's fucking annoying. like i get se fucked up by getting rid of instances too early, but knowing that it'd be nice if players chilled out a little and let others thru. instead it's like a 4chan circlejerk shitshow of fuckery in there.

i did get in btw, by setting my controller upsidedown so my character would keep charging the entrance.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on July 09, 2017, 12:33:23 AM
I can't entirely blame SE for this one because its a community created problem by people who are doing nothing but squatting in the zone for like more than half a day now waiting for a FATE that may or may not even show up today. I get that people want their ugly Ixion mount, but you need to do the FATE six times to get it. Ye ain't getting it done by camping there for all eternity.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on July 09, 2017, 12:58:38 AM
exactly. people are just being obnoxious about it. especially people that ALREADY HAVE THE FUCKING MOUNT but are still hanging around anyway.

also omg the mount is so ugly. it looks like ixion's stumpy pony cousin.

also also people get really mad when you walk around and keep fake calling out sightings lol. unfortunately this is apparently against tos so I had to stop
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 09, 2017, 01:12:30 AM
Did Neverreap. Was ok, but I realized the only way to make old dungeons fun is to do min ilvl runs because otherwise there's no challenge at all and it's zzz. Going to try to recruit on pf/gaf fc for the rest of the 3.x dungeons as min ilvl runs.

I tried making a Susano ex pf called "Blind run for fun, plz don't know mechanics" to counter all the 50 other pfs that are like YOU BETTER KNOW MECHANICS OR WE KICK YOU ones, but no one joined after a few mins so I bailed.

also also people get really mad when you walk around and keep fake calling out sightings lol. unfortunately this is apparently against tos so I had to stop

 :dead
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 09, 2017, 01:27:14 AM
Also, for everyone who was there at the HW launch, how many months will it be until I can get back into older content like 24man raids? I saw that WT did upgrade and pays out Verity and VI materia and stuff and requires runs of that but barely anyone seems to care about WT right now. Right now it seems like 90% of players just care about getting their drops from the 2 Ex Trials, Omega and the Ixion/Fox fates, leveling to 70 using Frontlines and anything else, no one gives a shit about and good luck getting parties.

At some point based on my experience in the last 6 months prior to SB, most of these players will quit the game and unsub, and then the regulars will stick around and at a certain point if you're willing to wait for 20-30 mins in queue or pf you can find a group for everything. And in the 6 months prior to SB everyone was WT everything constantly in pf which helped a lot. Is WT less important now because the rewards are less attractive than they were in HW?

Is the anima/relic/zodiac weapon thing the major driver for people to re-populate old content? And will that show up in 4.1 and then people will start doing old stuff again? I've been trying all 6 24-min raids each day since SB's launch just in case they were every populated and they've all been totally empty. Tried Diadem for the first time today and both maps were totally empty.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on July 09, 2017, 04:54:40 PM
The big differentiator between how relic weapons used to be done before and now is that Yoshi-p has said that Eureka, something that's coming in the future, will be the method through which you obtain/upgrade those weapons for Stormblood rather than making players farm old content. Depending on how that pans out, Wondrous Tails may be the major reason to make people do old Raids/EXses for the forseeable future.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 09, 2017, 09:02:05 PM
Well that sounds like a terrible design decision.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 09, 2017, 10:22:45 PM
Joined a learning party on pf for Susano Ex, was most people's first try after watching the video. Most people like me were min ilvl (I'm exactly 300 with an i290 weapon). At first we wiped a few times, then got down to 20%, then 10%, ran out of time around then so one person left, and we got a new person and gave it another hour, this time we did 10%, 8%, and 3% (3% was post-LB3). One of our tanks dc'd around then and we waited with 16 mins left and they came back at 14 mins and we did one more attempt but totally blew it, so we all took off.

Still, was a lot of fun. Everyone was really nice and getting him down to 3% with all new people at min ilvl felt good. I definitely feel like I know the fight down 100% and can pretty much do it in my sleep at this point. Occasionally I get a bad RNG stack like NIN's new lvl.70 move where he can't move for 10 secs and I start it and then some AoEs pop under me and I gotta move and lose all that DPS ><, but otherwise I've got it. Gonna do some roulletes this week and get my 500 verity for a i310 weapon which will let me output the best DPS I can in the fight and try to find a good clear party group and do it.

Haven't tried Lakshmi Ex yet, but a few people in our group had and they said it was way easier once everyone know when to pop the vrill, so if I can pass Susano Ex, I should be ok with that fight.


Otherwise, finished the HW Miner quests, Miner is almost at 63, so will start my first SB Miner job quest soon. With Fisher I'm like 300k from lvl.70, so in the next day or two I should hit 70 and do the final job quest and lvl.70 gear.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on July 10, 2017, 12:11:59 AM
damn. tried the full 90 minutes but couldn't get the last boss down past 20%. will have to try again tomorrow after work. epic fight tho and i'm looking forward to the sadistically hard extreme mode version.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 10, 2017, 01:26:17 AM
damn. tried the full 90 minutes but couldn't get the last boss down past 20%. will have to try again tomorrow after work. epic fight tho and i'm looking forward to the sadistically hard extreme mode version.

It's tough getting a good team for it. I couldn't even get a df team to give it a try, so I played with gaf fc and basically got carried. Need to do it again at some point. The fight wasn't too bad outside the platform falling stuff at the start that you gotta watch out for.

Otoh, I still haven't tried Nidhogg's Rage Ex and I think I'm gonna be afraid to try it (sync) for a while. That fight in the normal MSQ was brutal, more than the SB final boss imo; was the toughest fight in the MSQ with the group I was with.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on July 10, 2017, 01:30:04 AM
it's pretty hard and i still haven't cleared it. there's a phase with two different tethers that really seems to confuse people, and that's where they usually wipe. very fun fight tho.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on July 10, 2017, 10:12:00 PM
holy shit this game has bonus dungeons after you finish the main story this is awesome i love this game
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 10, 2017, 10:19:16 PM
Lemme know if you want to run something together using cross-world pf.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on July 10, 2017, 10:25:50 PM
ok i'll definitely be grinding omega soon
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 11, 2017, 12:21:18 AM
Oh god, did 3 leveling roulettes in a row (50/60, 1-50, Expert). Never doing that again. Cannot take the monotony of dungeon grinds. Maybe just Expert Roulette since I can still use a couple of the drops (have 2 slots left below i300), but otherwise would rather stick to just doing some hunts and maybe a trial roulette and Omega (if it gives verity when it's no one's first time?). Gonna do Omega again this week and hopefully get i320 feet and i320 hat since they take 2 drops each.

Don't really care about grinding, but just want to get strong enough to DPS Susano Ex. Then again maybe I should be going after Lakshima Ex in that case since I hear she's easier and I can use any gear drops from that to get stronger. Hmmm, why didn't I think of that earlier? Damn ^^; Well that's tomorrow's plan, Lakshima Ex learning party!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 11, 2017, 03:28:58 AM
2+ hour learning party with Lakshima Ex and we just cleared it :) The second to last time was fucking bullshit, we wiped at <1%, like she was at 1% and we still wailed on her for another 2-3 seconds and then wiped. Had to be like a .25% wipe. And that run I feel like I died from some kinda glitch because I nailed the mechanics and still had 1 death which without that -25% DPS for 60 secs would've won it for us. On the last run, didn't have a death and we won with a good 10-30 seconds to spare since she didn't even start her wipe move.

Now I feel like I can do both Susano Ex and Lakshima Ex as melee in my sleep. Just gotta actually beat Susano Ex later this week :P Up to i305 now. Will run Omega one more time and get another piece or two of i320 gear and maybe if I get enough verity get one more i310gear and then will take on Susano Ex again.

But yeah, Lakshima Ex is my first launch window Ex fight clear and it definitely feels satisfying & earned. The post-launch window stuff is definitely a lot easier because of stronger gear parties even without echo or anything. Also people have the fights down by then, while these Susano and Lakshima parties I've done were mostly with people who just watched a video and it was their first attempt like myself, so a lot of learning early on and figuring out the patterns and when to do what. I like that with DPS once you learn the order of patterns you can figure out "safe zones" of time where you can just tune out and focus on your attack rotation doing combo after combo after combo until the next event you have to do something in. Like in Susano Ex if you don't get the dice on you there's tons of time to do that and lightning runs back and forth are pretty easy once you get the hang of the motions. On Lakshima outside of the Vrill pop events, and the add face, and the stacks, you can pretty much cruise which is nice when you get used to the timings so you know when those vrill moments will come.

Omega normal had some challenge at V3, but Susano & Lakshima Exs are definitely on another level. Both fights felt really tight like you could only make 1-2 mistakes the whole 10 min run and no deaths allowed as a DPS because of the -25% penalty. Any run where a DPS died I feel like we hit enrage and with all the one-shot mechanics you really got play 96% perfect. Whereas even V3 in Omega has room to mess up as long as you get the main big mechanics down. Though I'm sure Savage will be incredibly tight with no room for mistakes.

Gonna get Susano Ex down so I feel like I've cleared all the current content and then planning on going back and doing all the HW Ex fights (sync) and I haven't done any outside Thordan, so that's a lot of fights. I think the 3.x dungeons are gonna be the last thing I do since for the most part dungeons are super boring outside some good bosses. Really wish they spent their budget on trials over dungeons.

Oh and my Fisher hit 70 with today's GC catch, so I geared him up in lvl.70 clothes and just gotta do the lvl.70 job quest and then I'm done with a class until next patch :)

Also my controller just ran out of batteries so that was good timing.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 12, 2017, 01:48:25 AM
Had a pretty good night. Joined a group doing week 2 Omega V1-V4 runs. My first map had bad RNG and didn't get anything, but then had great luck and got the V4 minion + the tokens I wanted for 2 more pieces of i320 gear this week. Then did some hunts and a frontlines where our team destroyed the other team (when you have a good team with coordination PvP is AWESOME) and got 100 verity from that so had 410 and got a i310 leg piece to replace my i290 AF3 which brought my character up to i310 now with no <i300 pieces. Feel ready for Susano Ex clear attempts tomorrow night :)

Doing Omega week 2 and certain floors a few times was actually pretty cool. Last week my DF teams just totally wrecked V1/V2/V4 to the point where I never learned the mechanics and just dodged shit and followed what everyone else was doing. V3 was the only one I had to learn. I did watch the guide for V4 after I beat it last week and learned the mechanics to that fight. Doing V4 a couple times this time and knowing what I was doing was great, man these fights are so easy coming from Lakshima & Susano Ex, even V3 is a joke compared to those two, so there's much room for mistakes and sloppy playing. V4 is a fun fight and surprisingly really easy and the boss HP burns down pretty fast. V1 is a bit boring but fine and the couple of times I did V2 (and learned the mechanics this time) the fights went for a while and it felt like V2's got a lot of HP so it's a bit dull.

In theory it's kinda nice learning the Omega (normal) fights really well to the point they're super easy and you know all the motions, because I gotta assume that will come in handy for Omega (savage) since they will share a lot of patterns.

Not sure if I'll bother with Omega (normal) week 3. If I can clear Susano Ex this week I'm where I want to be prior to Omega (savage).
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on July 12, 2017, 02:04:37 AM
https://twitter.com/JizzLizz/status/882074349771128832
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 13, 2017, 09:44:39 PM
Post-game grind from i290 lvl.70 vendor gear -> i300 HQ scrip gear for fishing is total bullshit. You need to catch Ala Mhigan Ribbons at Arms of Meed in The Peeks with a red scrip Suspending Minnow or the yellow scrip bait. As I don't have access to yellow scrips yet, I saved up red scrips and bought the bait tackle, went to the arms of meed, cast my line in and the first fish ATE MY FUCKING SUSPENDING MINNOW I had to camp 2 spots and turn in 4 collectible mining items to buy.

So done with that. Maybe I'll come back next patch if they make it easier to get into. Otherwise I'm good until 5.0 on Fishing.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 14, 2017, 02:07:17 PM
Finished the 3.x Hildebrand questline. Was...ok. One of the few parts of HW that's a step down from ARR. With no trials, no instanced fights, no puzzle solving, not that many jokes, not enough Nashu, it was basically like 3 hours of just talking to people and watching cutscenes which is sorta boring. Might as well just make it a movie. I think in FF14 long questlines like that need something to break them up, either by having action bits (like the final "battle" even if they didn't have time to make a trial should've been an instanced solo duty), or what would work better since Hildebrand is a detective is there should be some actual puzzles, puzzle solving. I mean I love PnC adventure games that are nothing but talking to people a lot of the time, but there's at least some gameplay to it with the puzzle solving and there's no reason FF14 can't add some of that in its quest design. There have been a few quest throughout that required players to actually figure something out though they are incredibly rare. But being able to direct type input "say" gives a lot of freedom if they want to make puzzles where you have to figure out what to say to people for instance.

Anyhow, now I just gotta finish the Scholastic questline.

Enter the world of the rough part of end-game grinding and what it really means to be a "badass" and do relic/top-tier gathering etc. Not exactly how many bring it out to be. :lol

 It's all totally intentional and they'll make it easier later on. Though I think they always play it off like "oh we didn't realize how hard it was for players to do X content so we made it slightly easier" for each patch. :lol

;_;
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2017, 01:16:21 AM
Cleared Susano Ex with GAF. Fight is still very, very tight. We cleared on 3rd or 4th attempt at <1 second until enrage. Basically the enrage animation started and I got the achievement. Way too close for comfort. Was sweating bullets and I was even dead the last 30-45 seconds because of the "Abandon whoever ye be rocked" in the last phase before enrage strategy and I was rocked so I couldn't contribute DPS which I think would've made it a lot safer clear for sure.

Considering all he drops is one weapon...that's gotta be a pain to farm. I don't think the fight is that hard mechanically but DPS check is really really tight. Also I think every party I've ran it with has used the LB3 on something that wasn't DPS which is a big factor, so we get to maybe LB2 at the end again for DPS LB2. Ideally if you don't need Tank or Heal LB you can Melee LB3 midway for 4-5% and then Melee LB2 at the end for another 1-2%.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2017, 04:28:17 AM
OMG I just watched the Ravana Ex guide. How did people do this at release jeez that is an insane number of mechanics for one fight. Tempted to try to do this a min ilvl lol

https://youtu.be/NtUmWKuPKiw
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on July 15, 2017, 07:00:00 AM
lol isn't that pretty standard for an ex fight tho? he was still extremely easy compared to the hellscape that was thordan ex imo.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2017, 12:06:20 PM
Idk, seems about 2-3x as many mechanics as Thordan Ex or Susano/Lak Ex.

Read the live letter change stuff, a lotta different stuff all around, though a bunch of it isn't getting implemented until 4.1 in I guess September. 24-man raid roulette FINALLY, there was no reason not to have this before and it'll be nice to actually get parties for the older raids. My NIN is getting a slight debuff, oh well. Tanks are getting more balanced it seems, though people are saying PLD will still be best, just the other two might actually be viable now again.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2017, 03:15:34 PM
I think I'm getting close to putting FF14 on break again and getting back to other games. Just finishing up the Scholastic questline thing which is kinda boring but ok. All the stuff I have left is HW 3.x content and for the Ex Trials, getting a party is gonna be a pain for each one. Tried all morning to get a Bismark Ex team with no luck, and then there's the dungeons which I'll just have to wait 30 mins for a roulette team and they'll be zzz trash mobs with maybe a few good bosses.  Not all that motivating right now. Might be a good time for a few month break until 4.1.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 16, 2017, 06:04:05 PM
My new plan for the HW Ex trials, since getting a party at sync or min ilvl is lol, good luck, is gonna watch the vids and conceptually learn and see what the fights are, then just clear then unsync to experience them somewhat, then 6 months from now when people are bored, I'll try to rally some players to form a group to do sync or min ilvl runs of old Ex fights for the thrill.

Did Bismark/Ravana. Now just need Nidhogg Ex and the Warring Triad Ex.

Might do the same for Alexander Savage since I don't see myself finding a party to do it sync at this point. Almost done with Scholasticate questline, it's better than Hildebrand but still kinda boring because it's just talking to people in a very long questline. I was looking at the Database and it looks like there's one other HW questline that I need to do after this, "Tales of the Dragonsong War" also apparently there was a 3 quest "Doman Adventurer's Guild" questline I missed that I need to do too.

Did Fractal Continuum which was ok, slighty more boring than Neverreap because interesting location, but bosses weren't as good as Neverreap. Have Pharos (hard), Shipbreaker (hard), Lost City (hard), Arboretum, Sohm Al (hard), Gubal Library (hard) left now in terms of dungeons I haven't done yet.

Also now that I have some background in what an MMO is, gonna try out The Secret World and see how it compares. Sounds like the non-combat questing like Hildebrand/Scholasticate type stuff is much better there with actual puzzles and gameplay instead of just talk to a person and then move and talk to a person and keep doing that for hours, but it also sounds like the combat sucks in that.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 18, 2017, 02:21:05 AM
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/782e44043959ae82ead5c6745dac3297a0083b69

Patch notes all over the place. Instances are back for all of SB again. Boo. Savage V3/V4 need i320 to get in >< New tomestones limited to 450/week. Lots of buffs to jobs. New treasure map dungeon.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on July 18, 2017, 11:14:29 AM
so is there gonna be an exclusive Savage boss for this tier, or are they saving it for the end? a group just beat the third fight, so if it's this go-round we might know who the enemy is in the next few days (or maybe even today lol)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 18, 2017, 01:02:46 PM
There is one according to the data mine leaks.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Neo Exdeath
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Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on July 18, 2017, 01:52:54 PM
that's..... oh.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 19, 2017, 04:50:26 AM
My experience with a PUG in O1S where almost no one knew anything besides 2 people giving tips:

-fuck fuck fuck
-ouch ouch ouch
-LOL
-fuck fuck fuck
-I AM AMAZING
-but there's always like 2-3 people in the team that can't stop dying omggggggg
-But I feel bad ditching this team that wasn't to keep repair and requeuing because most are good people!
-3 hours later MY EYES BURN
-13%

So I appreciate the group I was with, they were good people and I went from knowing nothing besides the normal fight to feeling like I have the fight fucking mastered and can do a perfect DPS NIN run with like 5% margin of error. Had multiple runs without a death or mistake and whenever the tanks would die I'd always be top aggro, hell sometimes I would steal aggro when there was only 1 tank, so I feel pretty comfortable on my DPS. Spent like 1/4th of my TOTAL GIL BANK ACCOUNT on an i320 weapon for extra DPS to help since I was still running an i300 weapon and I have zero interest in running Susano Ex weapon farms with PUG from my experience with Susano Ex and pick up games.

Got down to 13-20% regularly before hitting enrage. We knew the mechanics and we're ok but too many people made mistakes and died every time killing our DPS with weakness. And that's only when the tanks didn't die wiping our team.

But like when you're with a team that's gone from scratch to 13% and wants to keep trying...it's hard to quit on them. So pretty much played all night until eyes bleeding with very little team improvement after the first 1.5 hours. Last 1.5 hours was just mostly consistent runs of always a handful of mistakes & deaths keeping enrage in the 15-20% range usually.

It's a fun fight. My first "launch-era" Savage where everyone isn't overgeared and overpowered making it easier. I was worried when people said O1S is a pushover and doesn't have new mechanics, but the way the fight plays out is pretty different than O1N. You really need everyone to know the patterns, the order of patterns and how to work together for a few things, and hopefully how to dps.

Will probably be able to pass it next time I play with a party where everyone knows what they're doing and get to O2S. We'll see.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 19, 2017, 05:36:36 PM
duckroll says FF14 is driving me crazy ;_;
I think I have an addiction problem. It's pretty much my main hobby outside work these days. I should take a break from it, but I wanna clear O4S if I can.... ;_; I've always been like give 110% in everything, so when I play an rpg I do like everything completion-wise, and when there's a challenge I'll fight a final/hidden boss until like 7am when I beat it. If I didn't have work I'd still be running O1S with different parties until I beat it. MMOs and my personality probably aren't a great mix. At least with normal games it's just a week or two and then the game is done and can move on to other stuff.  :'(

I am having fun with it fwiw!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on July 19, 2017, 06:48:29 PM
I knew you were in too deep when you said you were doing turn-ins daily lol. as with any addiction, it's not in crisis stage until it starts affecting your job, hygiene, and social life. take care of yourself man.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 19, 2017, 07:19:19 PM
Yeah, I still do all my GC turn-ins and 3 moogle crafting quests per day, check my retainers in the morning and at night for ventures & updating sales, do my Omega normal V1-V4 runs per week, my souvenier collectible 6 allowances per week for scrips, my adventurer squad each day, and hunts for seals/verity each day when I see them on the linkshell and I'm online. That's like 2-3 hours a day before even doing quests/trials/dungeons or savage attempts. And at some point I want to start doing my WTs. FFXIV is my second job :'(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 19, 2017, 08:09:03 PM
I guess the one saving grace is that I don't do all my daily roulette like some people do (which would add like another 2 hours). I'm not a big fan of replaying old content and I pretty much hate dungeons since they're boring until the bosses and the bosses are usually too easy. Trial roulette is fun though. Honestly I can't wait for the Alliance Raid Roulette because I love those raids and it'll be fun to quickly jump into a random one. I wish there was a regular raid roulette as well that had Coil/Alexander/Omega. If they were worried about it being too hard they could just do Alexander Normal/Omega Normal roulette. 
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on July 20, 2017, 11:50:02 AM
went on five runs in the new treasure dungeon and got fuck-all besides a shitload of crystals. our final run we even made it to the boss in the final room but wiped when the adds appeared :/ at least the map looks really nice.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 20, 2017, 07:55:17 PM
I did the treasure map twice on Tuesday, we never got to the boss (floor 6 and floor 3) but I got the new elephant lamp which I put in the GAF FC house and then I got a bunch of clusters which I changed to Grade VI materia and sold them for 120,000 gil each for like 500k, so I thought it was pretty good.

Never did Aquapolis, but my understanding is it's the same thing with a different skin and HW quality loot?

Man, not playing FFXIV is hard. I have to keep myself busy doing other things to deny the urge to play. I don't think I've ever been addicted to a videogame because I only play SP stuff so in that case I just beat the game and it's done. Yep, no more MP/online games for me ever again.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on July 20, 2017, 11:47:02 PM
yeah aquapolis is the exact same thing just different visuals and loot. i did it a few months ago and still got some ok money for the loot i got. there is a rabbit minion in there that sells for shitloads iirc. best i ever got was a pile of fucking leaves that for some reason sold for like over a million dollars.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: G The Resurrected on August 09, 2017, 02:14:57 AM
I'm looking forward to going through this game. I'm doing some research on how best to get through the story and mainline it. Any tips?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on August 09, 2017, 01:20:36 PM
unlike what I've heard or seen of some other mmos, this one is very linear. you play through the storyline on each disc straight thru. there's little sidequests in each town and you each class has its own story as you level it up, but there's not much besides that. then once you beat the main story you'll continue on with it, but a bunch of larger side content will also be unlocked. large side stories with dungeons, super hard bosses, etc. eventually you'll get to the point in the story where you make it to the next disc expansion and the cycle repeats.

also like bu said always look for the blue wrist markers to unlock extra features or content
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 20, 2017, 03:59:57 AM
Moonfaire event is pretty fun. Always fun hanging at a beach shooting off fireworks.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 21, 2017, 01:38:11 AM
Kinda casually back. Finished up the Scholastic questline (only had the final quest left) and got my Harry Potter suit. Was alright. Doing Tales of the Dragonsong War questline now. Finished up all the Moonfaire stuff, Hyper Rainbow Z is a great track!

Back to doing my GC turn ins (just buying the items, doing hunts for cracked clusters for materia to sell to get the money back). Ideally would like to get my crafters all past 60 by the time 4.1 hits in early October. That way if 4.1 has a crafting beast tribe I can then use it to get them all to 70. Just have a few at 58/59 left. Botanist hit 60 today so now all my gatherers are in SB.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 24, 2017, 03:17:27 PM
This game is so fun to just mess around with when you're bored. I have the day off and was up super early in the morning so I went on for a few hours. Did a ton of hunts that were popping every 15-20 minutes. In the off hours it was tough getting people out for a hunt, so we'd do it with like 8 people in a single team and it was kinda awesome! Some of the SB A ranks don't fuck around with small player counts like that and we had to learn the patterns (since there were no AoEs or even next attack indicators for one-shot attacks for some) and beat them like a raid boss. Was great! Got so many cracked clusters lol, between that and selling retainer goods, and selling NPC vendor items, and selling red scrip items that I can from my weekly souvenier crafting turn-ins (easy and takes 15 mins once a week and gives like 600-700 red scrips), I'm slowly making some money again despite the MB being slow as fuck on Ultros with most NPC vendor items constantly being crashed markets. Takes me days to sell anything, but with so many selling avenues each day I log in I usually pick up about 100-300k which covers my daily GC turn-in items + a little profit.

I think, in small doses, FFXIV's a lot of fun because there's just so much you can do either solo or with other people. I haven't done a raid, dungeon, roulette or trial or anything that requires a queue in about a month, which probably helps me enjoy it more since the 30 min+ dps queues can be kinda killer. But doing crafting/gathering/questing stuff and jumping on all the hunts that pop up while you're doing that is pretty fun. Even though they only pay out 10 tometones of creation (30 for S rank in SB), I'm still up to about 260 creation tomes now. Will either get the 395 hat or keep saving for the 875 i330 body. I'm i316 currently and guessing the next set of raid reqs for 4.1 will be i320 so hopefully can get there in another piece or two.

Probably good and not addicted or anything. Just having some fun in small bites. There's just something nice about running around the world of Eorza. Nice music, nice art, lots of things to do.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 27, 2017, 07:38:43 PM
That feeling when you run Omega V1-4 for the first time in a while and don't get a single drop besides the weekly crystal ><
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on August 27, 2017, 08:10:15 PM
https://twitter.com/Kossuel/status/901275001705443329
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 29, 2017, 12:53:41 AM
They hit NIN hard with today's nerfs. First time since I started last December that NIN's taken a serious beating. Its two highest damage attacks were reduced from 2,000 -> 1,500 damage and 3,000 -> 2,500 damage. The first one is a 25% DPS reduction! ><

Glancing over the changes it looks like all they did was nerf everyone to do less damage to make DPS checks tougher, as if they already weren't tough because of the way weaknesses is handled post SB with -25% DPS on first death and -50% DPS on 2nd deaths and beyond. I thought they said they were going to work on buffing weaker jobs to make things more equal and not nerf everyone  :maf

*edit* lol I'm an idiot, changes are for PVP only. Everything is fine ha..ha...ha....
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on August 29, 2017, 08:53:30 AM
i have so many other games I want to play, but every time I come home I end up logging in to this and playing all night. thing is I don't feel bored or like I'm endlessly grinding or anything, so...
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 29, 2017, 11:48:38 PM
I feel that way too. Also when I need socializing, it's nice to be able to hop onto a place with real people everywhere and you can join up in a hunt group and immediately be part of 10-30 people hanging out.

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Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 31, 2017, 05:53:46 AM
Did trial roulette for the first time in forever, got Nidhogg 3.3 battle  :lol
And man did it make me glad I did it before SB came out. That fight was tough back then and a decent challenge with some wipes. Now the boss just melts like every other old boss and is easy.

Otherwise still doing hunts, doing weekly Omega normal runs lately because the fights are pretty fun. This week (tonight) was the first time running Omega normal where I felt the game the increase in gear since release. Even last week the PUGs I had still barely made DPS checks, but no wipes. This week the bosses' HP bar melted way faster for some of the fights and were quick and easy wins. Helped that no one was new this time so it was just people doing their rounds for missing i320 pieces. I'm almost at a full i320 set, maybe next week or the week after (i316 or i317) and I'll have enough creation tomes to change one up to i330 (saving for the body armor), so probably be around i321 when 4.1 comes out.

Tomorrow I hit lvl.60+ with all my crafters/gatherers, which means tomorrow is the last day I will ever do moogle tribe daily quests. Just have Weaver 3/4ths through lvl.59 right now. Everyone else has been hitting 60 in the last week. Been doing Ixali turn-ins just to finish up the Ixali tribe questline as well. Should open up the final quest in 2 more days of turn-ins.

A house went on sale tonight in Mist, medium sized lot, 17 million >_______< If it was under 10 million I probably would've bought it since I have ~11.5 million now. One day I'd like to buy a house just so I can use all my crafters I'm leveling to 70 to make all kinds of furnishing for it.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on August 31, 2017, 09:44:52 AM
I'm hoping prices will drop after the new housing is released. i want a lot in the new area tho and am prepared to stay up and possibly be a huge dick to people to get it. if that fails I'll look into the old areas.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on August 31, 2017, 02:31:05 PM
I am still playing pretty daily but haven't done battle content since I beat SB MSQ.  :doge

Got miner to 70 and got millions from it. Bought top stuff and decided to bring botanist up as well (it was like 50ish?) while leveing up GSM for cheap with mined mats. Had enough to get HQ 70 craft set and then went and got full HQ 60 ironworks set. So kind of sorted for omnicrafts not counting scrip garbage. Been leveling rest of them but am now about ready for a break I think. Been playing too much and the end grind is a waste of time.

Let me just log rq to see if all that raziqcoat sold...
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 01, 2017, 03:42:09 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/E1xHZ9I.jpg)

Yay. May not be max level, but it definitely feels like a milestone having everything over lvl.60 now. If SB wasn't out I'd be maxed out, so only about 2 months behind. I did those 3 daily moogle crafting quests so many times omg I know every quest in that questline by heart. Today marked the last day I ever did them, and of course for my final set of 3 I got the 3 longest most pain in the ass ones  :P But yeah, not having to do the 3 moogle dailies will cut about 15 minutes out of my dailies which is nice.

Hmmm, so I see that the moogle crafting dailies didn't come out until 3.3. Gotta make the decision at some point whether to stop doing my GC daily crafting turn-ins and save all that gil so I can do the SB 60-70 crafting dailies beast tribe when it comes out at 4.3. Otherwise will have everyone to 70 by then and no point in doing the dailies if there's no xp gain. It's kinda dumb, the crafting beast tribe should come out in the .1 patch to avoid this issue of everyone having their crafters at 70 by then and making the xp pointless.

Also another thing, I've been sending out my adventurer squadron for months and months every day, switching around recruits and checking the chemistry after every mission and I have never gotten a single chemistry that brings crafting/gathering scrips which is annoying because I could use those. I feel like I'm never going to get that.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on September 01, 2017, 10:58:31 AM
There is a scrip chemistry? Wtf! I am locked to a single person with 40% DoL materia lol

Grats on getting all crafters to 60. Personally I am waiting on beast tribe somewhat for the 60-70. I am just keeping an eye on the dailies for cheap/easy ones and not caring too much. Gotten to point where, yeah I could turn all that in for next to nothing, but it would take time and it's a waste of $200k opportunity cost.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on September 02, 2017, 10:19:09 AM
holy sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit 4.1 is gonna be sooooo good!!!!

https://imgur.com/a/EVk4q
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 02, 2017, 01:01:58 PM
Cool stuff, but very odd choice having the Garo guy design monster bosses for Ivalice, style doesn't match Ivalice's sleek look at all.

Glad adventurer squad gets level cap increase. Maybe I'll finally get some damn scrip chemistry. Yellow scrips or lvl.VI materia would be nice.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 02, 2017, 09:35:16 PM
Was running maps with gaf (which takes a loooong time with 8 people all with maps and 3/4ths of the maps spawning the canals) and got to the boss of the canals for the first time. Was a lot of fun and so much good loot.

First week I'm actually hitting the creation tomestones 450 cap. Stuff goes fast when you're doing canals + hunts. Almost have enough to get an i330 body this week. Mainly just want it for something new to wear since I can't get the Omega body drops for the life of me.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on September 02, 2017, 10:07:35 PM
i was fighting the boss there the other day when he hit me with a knockback move...that pushed me out of the fight right as the boss area sealed off. damn near smashed my keyboard in. still cant believe my fucking luck lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 02, 2017, 10:37:34 PM
Oh shit, that sucks. Did you not get the completion prizes because of it? I think I got like a 100k gil completion bonus and like 20 creation tomes when the boss died.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on September 02, 2017, 10:49:14 PM
no thankfully the other people i was with were good enough to squeak out a victory. it still gave me the bonuses and let me roll and all, but damn if it didn't piss me off. also i've been in there a lot but i still haven't found much cool rewards. there's a few mats that sell for a ton, and that ugly namazu minion, but i haven't seen much else worthwhile. hopefully they add in some more neat stuff with 4.1.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 02, 2017, 10:55:12 PM
Hell, anything I can sell for money makes me happy. Money + tomes = good times. I finally got back to where I was in gil before I stupidly spent 4 million on an i320 craftered weapon while trying to beat O1S a month ago. On one hand I go what do I need all this money for? But then a 17 million house opens up and I don't have 17 million and there's the reason I need to make more gil :P
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on September 02, 2017, 10:58:30 PM
i made a fuckton of gil doing hunts back when every sb map had multiple instances. it was an easy way to get materia that i could then flip for 150-250k a piece. made like 15 million in a few grinding sessions. hopefully i'll have enough to pick up a house for 4.1 bc there isn't shit else i want to spend it on right now.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 02, 2017, 11:40:03 PM
On Ultros the Materia market is flooded unfortunately. Goes for about 80k a piece. It's still good gil, but takes a while to make a lot.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 06, 2017, 02:52:35 AM
Hit i319 after finally getting 800+ creation tomes for the i330 body and getting the i320 legs from Omega normal this week. Only have an i310 arm (which I will probably never be able to get from the Omega 3 or 4 drops, I keep rolling on it and never get it for weeks), and an i310 ring because you can't have two of the same i320 ring. Will save up another ~350 creation tomes and get an i330 ring.

The i330 Lost Allegan armor for NIN is really ugly. Big disappointment, gonna have to glamor it up.

(https://i.imgur.com/06ihI5i.jpg)

LASER TAG SUIT

Been mining a lot in between things. I've stopped doing the turn-ins besides my MIN/BTN/CUL (which I gather & cook myself) and GSM (which I buy for 40k each day). By stopping the 40k items x 7 or so others, I'm saving like 300k a day and will let them level when the beast tribe comes out. Short term goal for the week is hitting 15 million gil saved. Long term is to try to get to 20 million by the time 4.1 comes out in hopes that players will be so excited to buy a new house in Shirogane that suddenly a bunch of old house plots will become available in the original 3 housing areas and with 20 million I'd have enough for any S or M size house that becomes available with enough cushion to spare to not be totally broke.

If I can get a house I'll stop needing gil and will just let my retainers grab stuff each day and sell it to make minor no-effort profit and slowly rebuild finances.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 07, 2017, 07:05:21 PM
Doman Adventurer's Guild questline was kinda fun. Too bad it's so short.

Not sure why they aren't picking up more of these sidequests and continuing them. Like Moogle Postman could and should totally exist in each expansion to flesh out the locales of each expansion area. Feels like Hildebrand is the only thing guaranteed to continue.

Was messing around group hunting last night and Coerlega or however it's called super fate in HW spawned. Finally got to do it, then Odin popped right after and did that as a group for the first time and got the drops. Was fun. It's nice being part of a team. I honestly feel like the hunt linkshell I joined is more of a team for me than the GAF FC. With the hunt linkshell I keep showing up and joining parties with the same group of people on my server and we joke around and chill until we pull the hunt. Pretty good group on Ultros. A lot of times at night there's not enough people playing so we get like 6-8 people total to do the hunts and they're a decent challenge for some. We had one where our only healer died midway, revived in town and rushed over while the tanks self-healed and carried and the DPS died and then the healer resurrected everyone one at a time when they got back and we won.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 08, 2017, 04:37:09 AM
Odin popped again tonight and this time we failed the fate. Level 70 characters are balanced off by the weaknesses -25/-50% DPS output which is rough for the final DPS check. Died on that at 1%. Also depends on the amount of people, last night it spawned earlier in the night and like 30 people had grouped up for Coerliga so they all went over to Odin and the fate took like 5 mins and was easy. Tonight it spawned late at night and we had maybe 12-15 people total and it took 20 mins and then died on DPS check. Kinda crazy how it's still a challenge. But part of that fight is fucking bullshit. You get paralyzed so you can't MOVE and then he casts HALL OF STONE and you're stuck and get petrified which adds vulnerability+ and then he does his next move and kills you. It's like a RNG random bullshit instant KO for DPS even at 70 and with the -25%/-50% penalties that's fucked up.

Started the Yokai Watch event. Didn't really understand how it worked. Thought you need specific Yokai Event Fates, but now I read up on it and it seems like I can do any fate to get the medals and any fate as long as its within 3 areas for the weapon with the minion out. Might try to get all the minions cause they're kinda neat. Won't bother with any weapons unless I happen to get my first one while grinding the medals.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 09, 2017, 03:59:37 PM
Been listening to the osts since I've been playing this year and I just got to the latest Duality piano arrange album and I'm really digging it. I saw there's an orchestra album coming out on the 20th which is awesome, but it only has 8 tracks which kinda sucks for a game with 400 tracks. Still will enjoy those 8 tracks a lot most likely! Between all the different stuff XIV has so much great music.

*edit* lol, just randomly saw a post on the Duality album that says only the first half of the cd is piano music and second half is band music. I'm on track like 5 or 6 :| Yeaaaaaaaah, the other arrange album Astral to Umbral which is all band covers is kinda meh, so I have a feeling 2nd half of this is gonna be lame. Too bad because these piano arrangements are awesome.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on September 09, 2017, 07:16:59 PM
yeah i think the other half was rock songs which is womp womp. that upcoming album sounds fantastic tho, like distant worlds.

i haven't been playing much this week, because queues got super shitty. like I'm used to long waits, but 40+ minutes for a roulette is wtffff. all i wanna do is finish off the red mage story jeez.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 10, 2017, 03:05:00 AM


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yeah i think the other half was rock songs which is womp womp. that upcoming album sounds fantastic tho, like distant worlds.

i haven't been playing much this week, because queues got super shitty. like I'm used to long waits, but 40+ minutes for a roulette is wtffff. all i wanna do is finish off the red mage story jeez.

Sorry to hear about the queues. I know when I sit in queues it kinda burns me out. Haven't done anything queue-ish lately, but when I do queue up for trial roulette or something it's usually like 5 mins. This is typically late at night on weeknights though. So I don't know if it's a server difference or just less busy time. Also doing weekly Omega normal runs the queues are like 5 mins as well. So queues on Ultros seem ok right now?

*edit* Just checked queue times right now on Ultros and it's 5 mins for basically anything that is in the DFs for DPS at 1am PST/4am EST.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 10, 2017, 04:41:49 AM
Got my Yokai weapon! Took 27 fates to get 7 weapon drops  :'( Yeah, not doing any other class weapons. Got a bunch of minions though!

(https://i.imgur.com/amnrOhgh.jpg)

Can't find an outfit the BRIGHT YELLOW/ORANGE weapons go with though. Probably ditch the glamor after a little while for something that matches more.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on September 10, 2017, 04:11:34 PM
popotos
(http://i64.tinypic.com/rirbpi.jpg)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 10, 2017, 11:22:57 PM
Did like 20 treasure maps with PUGs today. Got Canals about 8 times total. 6 of those times failed on the very first door. I almost feel like the game has server-wide RNG on Canals to balance it so not too many people are getting the good loot on the inside and today was RNG shut you down day in the Canals.

Got some neat loot though. Met some nice people. Had fun.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 11, 2017, 03:34:03 AM
My retainers brought back to interesting items today on their random item returns. One was a tanuki with a bamboo umbrella minion :o and the other was a pirate hat! Which I probably saw at some point when I was around that level (lvl.43) but it's been hundreds of hours and I totally forgot there was a pirate hat! in the game, so I'm so rocking that now.

(https://i.imgur.com/szoLLzYh.jpg)

I think it's pretty funny how in FFXIV the Ninja job comes from the Pirate job so the armor sets are either "look like a ninja assassin" or "look like a pirate" which is hilarious because Ninjas and Pirates look nothing like each other... but I ain't complaining that I get cool as shit pirate armor sets & cool ninja armor outfits.

Also another thought is that now that I've had a few months experiencing what MMO endgame is like (at least FFXIV's endgame)...I really like it!

Basically the endgame of joining up for hunts going on, running treasure maps with PF groups or friends, jumping onto PF and replaying the latest Ex trials or Raid (normal mode) for fun/drops, and slowly getting stronger and giving Savage maps a shot one at a time. It's a lot of fun and I don't find it boring at all. Plus I do some craft/gathering stuff on the side (Like I did Bismark Ex with an unsyc group who needed an extra dps and got drops of both faded orchestra rolls, which made me interested in turning them into real orchestra rolls, so I got the master alchemist III book and gathered/crafted the items from scratch and got my orchestra rolls which were going for like 100k+ each and was satisfying).

After 4.1 it'll be fun running the weekly Raid, and the new Ex primal and various new sub-systems introduced or upgrade, and I'll actually try out wondrous tails after 4.1 since until then good luck trying to get into any 24man alliance raid stage you need. I don't play it a lot, but I can see myself playing like 1 day a weekend every week and a little here and there on weeknight for a long while.

*edit* I like how this pic turned out. Just another nice hunting morning

(https://i.imgur.com/FOedYdih.jpg)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on September 12, 2017, 10:59:00 AM
Haha I actually got the crafter scrip bonus for squad. It's like 300 per success (30% chance, but boosts to 100% for some!).
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 12, 2017, 06:51:34 PM
wtf, I finally got that for gathering red scrips and I only get 100 per success  :'(
Still pretty damn nice to get that many scrips daily for no effort  8)
Too bad with all my gatherers at 66-70 along with gathering retainers, there's nothing I can buy with gathering red scrips anymore that's useful :'(
Trying to get the crafting chemistry still because I could use those for master crafting guides and mats

I also got MGP chemistry so they bring back like 1,000mgp a day which I ain't complaining about.

I'm cooling off a bit on the game now. I got my millions and upgraded the gear on all my crafters/gatherers and retainers. MIN/FSH are at 70 with their retainers, BOT is up to 66 with its retainer. Crafters are all capable.
Even with the weekly resets, all I do is Omega Normal 4 for the crystaloid and trying to get the last i320 arm crank.

Pretty much just:
once a week do Omega 4 for 30 mins
once a week do my crafting souvenirs for 20 mins for like 600+ red crafter scrips
daily, my Ixali turn in (thought I was finishing the last rank, but had one more, so getting to that to finish the quest story)
daily, check retainers and send back out
daily, do a few GC turn-ins (BOT, maybe some of the starred stuff)
daily, check adventurer squad and send them back out

That's it. Doesn't take much time at all. Otherwise for fun will jump into some hunts when I see one pop and I'm online, do treasure maps sometimes for weekly creation tomes/gil. Still finishing up the last few Postmoogle quests.

I joined a pf yesterday that was [PRACTICE] for Zurvan Ex. Tank leader was a dick to everyone and people left real quick, but was still fun and learned a lot of the fight. Was nice that even unsync at 70 while Zurvan burns down fast and skips phases, it still requires you to learn the patterns. Still need to clear that, Sophia Ex, Sephiroth Ex and Nidhogg Ex to have all the trials cleared. Also have 6 dungeons I still haven't done like the Arboretum. Will get to that stuff pretty soon. Probably clear it all before 4.1 drops.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on September 12, 2017, 08:01:00 PM
I got 100 today lol, inconsistent!

Gatherer scrips get regional folklore...
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 12, 2017, 08:43:32 PM
I got 100 today lol, inconsistent!

Gatherer scrips get regional folklore...

Only with yellow scrips for SB. Once new expansion comes out, old expansion regional areas open up for everyone without the books. At least that's my experience as I'm suddenly catching regional folklore fish in HW areas without the books. Also the books aren't on sale anywhere anymore.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 13, 2017, 02:21:37 AM
Spent the night beating Zurvan Ex (unsync). Shit was crazzzzzzzzzzzzzy. Fight reminds me a lot of T9 on steroids. Even unsync there's so much coordination or wipe with the tethers + southern cross + ice/fire meteor drops it's a real challenge with a PUG. Feels like the kind of fight that was made for voice chat.

The group we had last night bailed after a handful of wipes, the first group we had tonight (some of the same people) did the same, the 2nd group was stuck with it and barely made it through with 3-4 people alive post-meteor fall and thanks to unsync were able to burn him down right as the 2nd meteors were coming. Then even though we beat it almost everyone bailed even though it was a bird farm. So to thank the couple of people that taught me the fight and riding on the high of having cleared it after about 90 mins straight, I stuck around and helped them teach a new group from scratch who didn't know any mechanics. We started out rough, one guy dropped, then we stuck with it at 7 people and had a real good run but still lost, then another person had to go and the group disbanded.

But yeah, that fight is great. Like I've always been kinda bummed being stuck doing Ex Primal fights/8 man Raids unsync because you can burn through so many mechanics and don't get to learn the fight (Bismark Ex :|), so I appreciated that like T9 Zurvan Ex is a fight where you still need to learn and get the mechanics DOWN to win and its still pretty satisfying. The main difference with unsync is you skip the divebomb phase which looks hard and coordination required, and that you can burn him down so fast you can skip the tether/meteor drop on the 2nd time although it's just the same mechanics again at that point. Also the adds are easier to kill in time (WIT must die).

Now I've just got:

Sephiroth Ex
Sophia Ex
Nidhogg EX

left to do. Yay.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on September 13, 2017, 04:36:43 PM
I got 100 today lol, inconsistent!

Gatherer scrips get regional folklore...

Only with yellow scrips for SB. Once new expansion comes out, old expansion regional areas open up for everyone without the books. At least that's my experience as I'm suddenly catching regional folklore fish in HW areas without the books. Also the books aren't on sale anywhere anymore.

you can still get with red scrip in idyllshire, the legendaries from HW are gated still  :'(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 13, 2017, 05:29:13 PM
Really? Which NPC do I get it from?
Yesterday my squad returned with a new chemistry for even more gathering scrips :lol, so now I've got two people bringing scrips + 1 person bringing MGP + 1 person bringing materia.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on September 13, 2017, 05:57:13 PM
fell asleep doing roulettes again yesterday. at this point i'm convinced there's some sort of subliminal message being broadcast from the game during dungeons that's trying to fuck me over.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 13, 2017, 06:19:28 PM
That's because dungeons are zzzzzz, main reason why I can't/don't do dungeon roulettes, only trial roulette sometime.

Where is my 8-man raid (normal) roulette? :( That would be fun.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on September 13, 2017, 06:22:23 PM
Really? Which NPC do I get it from?
Yesterday my squad returned with a new chemistry for even more gathering scrips :lol, so now I've got two people bringing scrips + 1 person bringing MGP + 1 person bringing materia.

pretty sure the splendor vendor near scrip NPC's. deck out all your lvl 60 crafters with the augmented token/cup turn ins there as well....they will last you till 70.

side note, level 60-70 crafting is SO MUCH EASIER than HW was.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 13, 2017, 06:25:16 PM
Hmmm, I never saw it on the scrip vendor for red scrips after SB. I'll look again tonight.

Yeah I use the i180 gear for my right side for 60+ crafters and gatherers and use the i180 tools (primary & secondary) for my lvl.60 gatherers/crafters up until like 65 when SB gear stats pass it.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 13, 2017, 10:18:10 PM
Wow, you're right, I was looking at the wrong vendor for the legendary stuff. Thought because I caught a green 1 star fish in HW that the legendaries had been unlocked when SB came out.
Folklore grind seems insane. 9 books at 50 each x 25 red scrips = 11,250 red scrips for HW, 6 books at 50 each x 50 yellow scrips = 15,000 for SB.

I figured well at least the items you gather from these must go for multiple millions on the MB and once you get those you're in the 100 million gil+ club? But I googled around and apparently most of it is junk and not worth much. Just seems like a ridiculous grind, especially since I guess this didn't exist in ARR areas and everything there was just gear checks?

Will use my adventurer squad scrips on mats I can sell instead /shrug, at worst can buy grade IV materia and sell for a few thousand gil I guess.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 16, 2017, 04:38:54 AM
finally cleared the endless Post Moogle Questline!!!!

There were some good mini-stories in there and I enjoyed it but it felt like it would never end omg. Got my hat whoop. Cleared a few more dungeons, Lost City (hard) & Hullbreaker (hard), Hullbreaker (hard) was kinda fun. Only 2 dungeons left that I haven't done, Great Gubal Libary (hard) and Sohm Al (hard), will do them tomorrow. Tried WT for the first time and cleared some old ARR stuff unsync with others, not bad.

Then just for the hell of it I gave Omega V1 Savage another shot. I hadn't tried it since the day it came out and I played for like 3-4 hours straight with PUGs and so many deaths and never beating it. Was soul crushing and made me scared of Savage during release windows. Well, this time around the first run I fell off the platform midway and died along with 3-4 others (which was weird because I was swear I was up on his ass before the knockback), but then after a refresher run (I mean it's been two months, I barely remember the fight details), we cleared it on the 2nd try with no deaths and everyone pretty much doing the entire thing perfectly including myself. Even though it's fairly straight forward, my hands were shaking the whole way through because I was just fucking nervous because of my day 1 experience and that I still don't remember all the order of the patterns from start to finish. There's one double fireball around 75% dead that throws me off a bit but I seem to wing it. It's funny how a single thing like everyone calling out a NW/NE/S/E/etc... position before the fight makes the fight 10x easier; no one in my day 1 groups thought of that and people just scrambled on ice to not be on top of each other during the lightning hits. Knowing where you are going to go everytime so you can position yourself in that direction makes the fight go much smoother.

Anyhow, that's my first Savage stage clear during release window. Definitely feels like an accomplishment woohooo. I'll probably watch a video and try V2 Savage and see if I can do that. From what I hear it sounds like V3S/V4S are probably out of my range with PuGs and my skill level.

Next up is last 2 dungeons, Nidhogg/Sephirot/Sophia Exs, and Omega V2S. Then I think I'm pretty good until 4.1. I still need to do Alexander Savage 1-12 at some point but it's gonna take a while to get pf groups a stage at a time so no rush on that.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 16, 2017, 02:22:43 PM
Really liked Great Gubal Library (hard). Good art, music, bosses and fun stories in books.
I kind of feel like a lot of the 3.x dungeons have been let downs compared to 2.x. I remember in 2.x having to stop before almost every boss and the tank would explain the fight mechanics. In 3.x dungeons it feels like very few bosses have mechanics (especially wipe ones). It's almost like they were worried about players in roulettes not being able to do mechanics so they dumbed down the non-raid boss patterns in 3.x. Which doesn't make sense since the MSQ still had stuff like Nidhogg in 3.x. Hmmm...

One more dungeon to go!

Also kinda excited to be caught up with everything and then just logging on and seeing people are doing on pf and jumping into various stuff and getting loot. Been grabbing all the faded orchestration rolls and making them work lately for fun since my Alc is pretty up to par gear-wise at 63. Trying to complete the master tome books now.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on September 16, 2017, 02:54:10 PM
congrats on beating v1s! one step closer to elite status.

i feel you on the 3.x dungeons, although i like them better overall. there were a few that were harder on release, like arboretum and gubal hard, but like everything else they get easier over time. i'm just happy they keep increasing the complexity of standard bosses as the game goes on; just wish they could do the same for trash mobs.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 16, 2017, 03:31:55 PM
Thanks, the 3.x dungeons are definitely prettier than 2.x. Arboretum was nice and Fractal Continuum was cool. Not a fan of neverreap because it just feels like fighting on the sea of clouds and not a unique dungeon location. Although I do like the tiki boss.

Trash mobs always suck. I'm glad my class NIN excels at trash mobs with putting an AoE on the ground and then spraying ninja daggers AoE with occasional AoE fireball bursts. Helps speed them up, especially when paired with another AoE job like Bard or Machinist.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 16, 2017, 03:40:09 PM
Also I watched the V2S video last night and I couldn't follow it after like halfway. Way too many mechanics and you can't even see what they're talking about in the vid half the time because they're buried under floating AoE markers. This is gonna take a while learning the fight.

I also watched the V1S video (never seen it before) and saw the one pattern I didn't know which was combo like 6, but real easy to dodge which explains why I would always wing it and survive. Now that I know all the patterns and I've cleared it I'm not scared of it anymore. Will probably run V1S weekly and get my i340 belt 5 weeks later (grind is pretty crazy for these pieces).

But yeah, V2S lol
I mean my secret confession is that V2N is still the only fight in the normal ver set I don't know 100%. I find it very confusing and just follow everyone else's lead for when to float or where to go. I know the tentacle part and to float when the ground is mucky, but still sometimes I get petrified. I also find it hard to see when on the ground level buried beneath floating stuff. Like I can't find my character. It's a confusing fight to me but it's easy on normal so you can get by winging it. On Savage though it's gonna fuck me up ;_;
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Post by: Bebpo on September 16, 2017, 07:28:55 PM
Finished Sohm Al (hard)! Now I'm done with all the dungeons outside roulette or glamor drops. While I was waiting for queues for these last dungeons, I got the Master Alchemist Tome 2 because I wanted to be able to make all the orchestration rolls. Man, the endgame ARR crafting is still such a pain in the ass. Everything requires loads of demimateria which costs like 40k a piece and the quickest way is still spending 20-30k on shoes and desynthing. It's bullshit. And getting the Tome books, especially book II still requires you to make a HQ hard as fuck item that costs 70-100k in mats and if you don't HQ it, the item is useless lol. I almost blew my craft of what I needed for Master Alch II but lucked out and got success on my last action which had 90% success rate.

But yeah, HW book 3/4 are easy to obtain, just get some red scripts and your done. And then the items within the books are like ARR requiring tons of demimateria so they cost like 100ks+ to make, whereas HW stuff is like normal price. ARR endgame stuff is gonna be forever expensive. If I were SE I'd have someone rehaul the ARR endgame crafting and have everything scrip based and take demimateria out of the recipes or at least have a way to get it through trading in scrips like in HW.

Now I just need to get Carpenter tome IV so I can craft an orchestration player for my room until I get a house and use some of these rolls I'm making. Been putting them on sale but they never move because hardly anyone wants old orchestration rolls.

I guess now it's time to do Nidhogg/Seph/Sophia Ex. Will watch the videos tonight and see if I can start getting clear parties for them.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 17, 2017, 03:36:58 PM
Sephirot Ex done. That was kinda confusing with the tethers and the rock drops during the knock backs. The orange/green tower stuff was actually the easiest part since it's so straight forward (orange go to towers, orange/green go to orb color side). Took a couple of hours with PUG, but got it. Slightly less satisfying because I was dead at the time of clear (got rocked during the 3 blue knockback bit), but a clear is a clear. Gonna try to do Sophia Ex next and then Nidhogg Ex today.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 17, 2017, 07:16:49 PM
Found a group doing Aquapolis maps and finally checked it out after doing so many Canals. Man is it boring ugly compared to Canals. Really dull to play but the loot seems good.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 17, 2017, 10:43:26 PM
I fell asleep trying to watch the 11 min Sophia Ex vid :zzz
Just gonna wing it  8)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 18, 2017, 12:21:39 AM
Nobody joined my Sophia pf and didn't see one, but I saw a Omega Savage 2.0 practice pf w/discord. Did that for the last hour or so, good group. We got to around 50-60% before wipes which is solid. Gonna watch the video again now that I have a feel for the mechanics for the first half. There were a couple of times around 50-60% where I died and had no idea why, so would be good to know. Fight seems slower paced than V1, or maybe that's just because things feel less frantic and more procedural when you're on a discord with people who know what they're doing and your just going from 1 attack to the next.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 18, 2017, 04:06:47 AM
Cleared Nidhogg & Sophia Ex! Nidhogg they let me into a farm group but everyone was just as bad as first time because no one remembered the fight :lol, but yeah Nidhogg Ex was pretty easy unsync, at least compared to the Warring Triad stuff. The only wipe-ish mechanics are the blue/orange chains but those are really simple almost Chysalis level, and the fireball stuff at the end but the patterns are pretty simple. Still our team was terrible so we got one clear and like 5 more wipes after and the party leader bailed, but hey I got my clear! o/

Sophia Ex I'd just about given up with no one joining my party finder until slowly one by one people started joining! And...It was the best damn team I've ever had! full of full drunk, half-drunk, jubilent middle of the night peeps who just wanted a good time and didn't care about serious business of mistakes or wipes or anything. We all joked around and lol'd at mistakes and cheered each other on and cleared it in a great mood. I think it helped that unsynced this fight is pretty easy so a few people who know what they're doing can pretty much carry everyone else. I watched the vids for both this and Nidhogg before and in motion it wasn't too bad but I don't get where to stand for execute at all with the 3 clones, and towards the end there's a knockback that I didn't expect. But yeah, that was a ton of fun! My clear run on Sophia I got killed right before the tilting slides began and got ressurected right before the slide in the middle of the platform so I was floating in the air as I slid back off and died again before I could move. Then I got ressurected again in the middle and got to move for a half second before the next slide threw me back off  :japancry spent like 1/3rd the fight on the ground with that watching, but it's ok! had lots of fun :) I wish you could do cross-world contact invites to friendlists because these were some of the best people I've met in the community. Game is so much more fun when you're playing with fun people who just wanna have a good time and laugh off wipes and misses; way better than all these pf groups I've been rolling with that yell at each other and quit after each wipe so the whole time you're playing you're nervous about making a mistake because it might cause someone to leave and the party to disband.

Anyhow, all dungeons done, all trials done, all sidequests done, even got Aquapolis in today. Just need to do Alexander Savage at some point & Omega Savage 2.0 onwards! Looking forward to having nothing left to do so I can play other games :P ~720 hours now.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 18, 2017, 04:50:50 PM
Oh and PT, about six months late on this, but yeah Shiva 2nd half song is great. Been rocking it in my inn rooms now that I got the orchestration roll. Feels like a TWEWY song!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on September 18, 2017, 04:54:32 PM
https://youtu.be/noJiH8HLZw4

lets go punk rock
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 20, 2017, 01:52:07 AM
Ok, so no one ever explained to me how Savage drops work even when I'd ask in the FC what are people talking about with pages and chests in PF. First time I did it I just got a datalog 1.0 drop and I looked at redeeming it and it looked like it takes 4-6 weeks of doing weekly clears before you get a single i340 piece. Kinda didn't care after I saw that, way too much grind and not a huge fan of the attitude of people playing Savage, it's way too serious compared to everything else.

Then someone finally explained the chests to me. That "pages" means the datalog drop you get each week, and chests are if no one has cleared for the week you get 2, if more than 1 but less than 4 have cleared for the week you get 1 and if 5 people or more have already cleared for the week there's no chest. And in the chest there are i340 instant grab accessories that will start bringing your ilevel up right away. But if you don't get the treasure roll, you need to keep finding parties with less than 3 other people who've cleared for the week so there will be 1 chest and you can keep trying again to roll an accessory. Hmmmm, still sounds pain in the butt.

I like FFXIV, I like it a lot, but I don't have a lot of interest in the pain in the butt savage grind. Will probably just stick to everything else and do Tier 1 V2-V4 Omega Savage when Tier 2 comes out and gear will be i330-i340 without grind. Once the Matsuno raid comes out, I'll definitely do it once a week because I like 24 man raids and will build up a full i330 set from that and maybe get the i330 1000 creation tome weapon (I have 7 crystaloids from V4 normal weekly) which apparently an item in the 24 man raid may let me upgrade to i340 weapon.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 21, 2017, 12:40:37 AM
Did my first weekly two chest run on V1S with a static on pf that was missing a few slots. Got one of the i340 accessory drops! Brought me to i323 now.
Also joined a Light farm unsync group of Alexander Savage A1S so I can slowly go through all 12 floors. I watched the video for A1S and was all ready for killing the adds under the missiles and leading the slime drops but unsync at i320-i340 A1S takes like 2.5 mins and none of those mechanics happen ^^; I'm still glad I watched the video to learn how the fights play out. My goal for now is to get through Alexander Savage 1-12, then someday try to get a throwback party together to do Alexander Savage sync & Coil sync & all the Ex fights sync that I haven't done sync already.

Not sure if I'm gonna push Omega V2S. I know the fight, it's pretty straightforward like V1S and if I found a good group of 7 others I should be able to get a clear, but don't want to search high and low through wipe parties for that group. Probably will only do V2S if I see a bunch of people in the FC and ask if 7 others want to help me get a clear on it.

I watched the video for V3S last night. Fuck that, If I clear V2S I am completely 100% good on this raid tier. Even unsync or whatever, V3S has so many coordination mechanics I can't imagine doing it in a learning/practice party on pf.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on September 21, 2017, 05:32:43 PM
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2vskoeq.jpg)

SOON
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on September 21, 2017, 06:25:11 PM
 :hyper
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 22, 2017, 05:54:29 AM
I found an M-size house in Limsa for sale for the first time when I could afford a house, so I bought it for 17 million plot + 1 million building. I'd saved up to 26 million in the last few weeks so it brought me back to lie 7 million gil.

It was exciting for like 30 minutes, until I found out that all the cool house exclusive stuff you can do with a workshop is limited to FCs only, and even if you quit your FC and make a solo FC you can't do anything without other people in your FC helping you craft. So since I'm not quitting my FC anyhow, it means I can't do anything more than I could just do with my FC room besides place some exterior furnishings and have a full garden instead of 2 flower plots -_-

Kinda lost interest after that and already have buyer's remorse. That being said, it's not like I needed that gil for anything in the game anymore. Not sure if I'll bother moving my FC room decorations to my new house. Might just slowly dump any furnishing items I get in the game there until there's enough to decorate. I don't really care about not having a house in Shirogane because the house gameplay experience will be the same, and since my GC which determines where I am every day with my GC turn-ins and adventurer squad is in Limsa, I'm fine having my housing in Limsa as well. My FC (gaf) is probably moving to Shirogane anyway.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: a slime appears on September 22, 2017, 09:59:18 AM
Anyone watch the show on Netflix called Dad of Light?

It's weirdly entertaining.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on September 22, 2017, 06:04:37 PM
well bebs, at least you can get a decent price if you decide to sell it. and if you keep it, you can check out https://housingsnap.com to see some of the amazing stops that the incredibly creative Japanese community comes up with. maybe something will inspire you!

i started watching daddy of Light and its super corny but really enjoyable. reminds me of gaming with my parents as a kid.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 22, 2017, 06:53:50 PM
well bebs, at least you can get a decent price if you decide to sell it. and if you keep it, you can check out https://housingsnap.com to see some of the amazing stops that the incredibly creative Japanese community comes up with. maybe something will inspire you!

Some really cool stuff there!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 23, 2017, 05:08:58 PM
Finished the Ixali crafting beast tribe! Was a nice little story. Too bad the ARR beast tribe quests are really a pain in the butt without flight. I just stuck to doing the daily turn in of lvl.50 CUL food. Made extra HQ every day and sold them on the MB for profit while doing it.

Got a private aetheryte for my house from the GC, picked up a summoning bell and orchestration machine for cheap on the MB (cheaper than the mats, really). So now my house, while empty has all the vendors and retainer stuff I need and I have a teleport straight to it with a MB sign right outside. Not a bad start. Will slowly build it up.

Next up is seeing if I can find a pf group this weekend for Alexander Savage 2 (easy) and 3 (complex).
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 23, 2017, 07:06:36 PM
Oh man, got a party after 2 hours and did A2S unsync.

But got to A3S and the entire party hadn't done it before or watched the video  :duh
I tried to explain the mechanics, and some people listened but a few just kept doing mash mash mash against the boss (including 1 tank). And after a few wipes people left.

I think for A3S I'll make a pf tomorrow and ask people to either know the mechanics or have watched a vid. The fight goes pretty quick in unsync but people still need to know stuff like Digititis, tanking hands apart if open, closed if together, kills adds, and avoid blue orb (including boss avoiding it). We would never make it past the 2 hands phase because our tank wouldn't listen and tank them apart so they'd wipe the team each time  :'(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 23, 2017, 08:55:44 PM
Ok, A3S done with gaf. Interesting that the tornado add phase is skipped on unsync. The key critical seems to just being keeping the 2 hands tanked across unless the hand glows open. Even in this clear run the hands were only tanked about 2/3rds of the area across and it still did like 50-70% damage to everyone across the board. But since no one died, we healed, recovered and the rest was fine. Time to watch A4S vid!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on September 29, 2017, 08:55:10 AM
4.1 looks great!   :rejoice
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 29, 2017, 03:28:47 PM
My last retainer hit 70 today, yay. No more leveling my 4 retainers (hunt/bot/min/fsh). Now they can just grab stuff for me every hour. Wish there was an iphone app to do that so I could send them on more trips per day.
Not playing the game much right now. Just log in once or twice a day for 10 mins and refresh retainers and things I'm selling on the MB and buy and turn in a couple of GC turn ins, resend out adventurer squad.

Probably gonna hold off clearing Alexander Savage and Omega Savage 2.0 until after 4.1. Pretty much impossible to get Alexander Savage pf teams, so best bet is on weekends asking the gaf FC to help out and finding 7 other people. With Omega 2.0S, I know what to do but I want a competent team so we clear it and so many of the pfs the tanks/healers do not know what they are doing. I've never noticed this anywhere else in the game but the savage pf for the current savage are like tons of people who I have no idea how they got this far and cleared Ex fights. I get the feeling that a lot of people don't do the Ex fights and just do the latest Savage and try to get carried through.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on September 29, 2017, 03:34:46 PM
is there any reason to have a dps retainer? i have one bc that was the only class I had available at the time and I never bothered changing it.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 29, 2017, 03:39:37 PM
Sorta. There are certain mats like animal parts/blood/skins that you can't get from Miner or Bot. But in my experience most aren't worth very much (I think part of this is that almost everyone has a hunting retainer so there's not a lot of value) and the problem is that Hunting retainer can only bring back 10 items at a time whereas Min/Bot can bring back 15/20/30 per hour. So a Min bringing back 30 that I can sell for 500gil+ each, is 15k an hour, but with Hunter bringing back 10 items worth maybe 500gil, that's 5k an hour and if you really needed any of those you could just pick it up off the MB for 5k.

I've heard that gearing out your hunting retainer to a high ilevel and sending them on the random 1 hour item grab can bring back occasional rare stuff worth tons. Mine is like i305 or something and they bring back things like Mind Materia II ;_;
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 29, 2017, 03:45:29 PM
Btw, I wanna talk about how good Heavensward is. Whenever I'm flying through the HW areas for quests or mats or whatever, the music and art is just amazing. These places are all awesome. They created this really amazing world for HW with just incredible atmosphere. Even the beast tribes are all great and their stories are a lot of fun.

In SB, I really like the endgame content. Both Lak Ex & Sus Ex & Omega 1-4 are all really well designed and interesting fights. But those areas don't give me that same feel as going through the HW areas. In retrospect I think Ruby Sea was a big miss, just feels like a lot of bland ocean and underwater swimming was incredibly underused. In terms of holding up, the Azim Steppe holds up the best today as it still feels like a majestic area with a great BGM, interesting tribe people and a unique field look. The rest of the areas are better than ARR but kinda plain compared to HW.

I kind of have accepted that HW was a once every 20 years thing where an FF actually gets everything right and it all falls together into a very memorable package (even if Hildebrand sucked), and the rest of FFXIV will probably never reach those highs again, but will still be quite good.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on September 29, 2017, 04:06:17 PM
so yeah I'll definitely be switching over to a fisher in hopes they bring me a fat cat then
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 03, 2017, 11:22:02 PM
So, in the last week the Ultros MB has totally crashed across the board. Like Grade VI materia which was consistently staying around 80-90k gil each is now consistently 50k across the board. Tons of other stuff is suddenly dead too. The only thing I can think of is that some of the big bulk crafters who would buy lots of mats to make high end equipment and sell it for $$$ have bailed and there's no one buying/crafting so the markets are all flooded. I guess because 4.1 coming soon will devalue all the i320 gear on the MB.

Map prices are about the only thing that seems kinda stable/going up because people are starting to hoard maps for the new Canals in 4.1. I remember when Canals came out and the maps jumped from like 20k gil to 300k gil.

Not really playing the game currently, but checking in each day to refresh sales and send retainers back out and do some turn ins/adventurer squad.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 05, 2017, 04:24:05 AM
I had the most embarrassing moment in my game experience so far. I was taking a break from some other stuff and just messing around in FF14 so I finally decided after like 6 months of nothing but playing NIN, to start messing around with my other battle classes (partly because after finishing the Ixali beast questline now I want to do the other ARR beast tribe questlines, but there's no point if you aren't between 42-50 to actually get useful xp from them, so I want a job at 42).

I picked up my Paladin, because that was my next highest job besides the Sam/RDM at lvl.50. Paladin was lvl.38, so I geared him up, got rid of the actions SB removed (almost none) and did some roulette stuff and got back in the hang of it and got to lvl.40. Was enjoyable.

So then I'm like hey, why don't I finally try Dark Knight since I'm in the tanking mood! I go through the job actions and read what everything does and then I equip it on the bar and look at the nearest dungeon I can do since I'm lvl.30 (never used DRK, only unlocked it). I pick Haukke Manor at lvl.28 and get in. Well, really quickly I realize I forgot to gear my dark knight up, so I'm wearing a mix of DPS/tank gear that's between lvl.15-30 with a bunch of empty slots on my right side. Fuck. My HP was melting so fast the healer could not keep up even with Grit on and Rampart and Healing + 20%. I felt really, really embarrassed and bad, so I let my teammates know what happened and apologized.

But my team wanted to try to tackle it anyhow. We wiped a few times, and had some really close scenarios and one wipe on the final boss, but going slowly and carefully we beat it! Was really intense and luckily I got a lvl.30 tank body armor drop from a chest which helped. I was very thankful and apologetic to my team afterwards, but everyone was nice and cool with it. ^^; Got to lvl.31.

Felt so embarrassed after that I spent the next 20 mins gearing my DRK up with all HQ stuff.  :duh :'(

Also I was kinda surprised how at lvl.30 DRK's movelist is almost a clone of Paladin. Like you have the same combos, the same shield toss, the same flash move, grit instead of shield oath, and instead of infinite sword oath you have magic weapon for 20 secs, but otherwise it's like the same job reskinned. Which is kinda weird because my time with Warrior (only got to like lvl.20 or something) felt different than Gladiator and not just a reskin. At later levels does DRK play a lot different and unique compared to PLD?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on October 09, 2017, 09:13:42 PM
currently camped in front of the plot I want with an alarm set for 4:50 a.m... where did I go wrong in life
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 09, 2017, 10:25:31 PM
You mean, where did life go so right  :hyper

Good luck!!! I kinda wish I was part of this, but I got a lot of major work right now and can't justify spending hours tomorrow morning trying to get a house and being out of it after. Plus I didn't save up enough since I bought my last house to buy another and relocate. Gonna log in and do my last turn ins before 4.1!

I've been saving up Gazelle maps for the new Canals (or selling them at inflated amounts). Have 6 + 1 Gaganaskin :)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on October 09, 2017, 10:36:17 PM
shit with money you'll prolly make off new uznair items you'll be able to afford a shirogane house off a scalper
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 09, 2017, 11:28:08 PM
So for kicks I ran around Shirogane ward 1 expecting to see like hundreds and hundreds of players just chilling until servers go down, but it was pretty empty? I wonder if housing stuff is only for enthusiasts and if it will actually be pretty easy to get a house during day 1 if you've got the gil and don't care about location.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on October 10, 2017, 05:17:32 AM
a lot of people are assuming that the game will kick you out of ward 1 when it loads, so they're all waiting at the kugane docks. i took my chances by waiting in the ward.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on October 10, 2017, 06:10:36 AM
got it woot

ward 1, plot 19, right on the beach HELL YEAH. there was a queue to get in instantly, but my game seemed to ignore it after a few attempts, did some weird glitchy shit and skipped the usual loading screen, and popped me right in front of my sign. going by shouts, i might have been the first one in.


...and now my fc is having trouble getting a house, and i know the right thing to do is offer up mine, but.... :/
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on October 10, 2017, 11:39:12 AM
(http://i63.tinypic.com/25u1xxg.png)

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2lthn9u.png)

(http://i67.tinypic.com/dph012.png)

trying to decide which style to go with. leaning towards the red one but I dunno
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 10, 2017, 12:13:13 PM
Congrats!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 10, 2017, 01:21:59 PM
Even gaf didn't get a shirogane house, you did good PT!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on October 10, 2017, 02:25:36 PM
wow! like I said u think it was just 100% dumb luck. I kept refreshing when the game said I was 151 in the queue, then all of a sudden the screen showed the skybox, then an extreme close up of the grass texture, and then u was standing right there in front of the signpost. i bought it and shouted out, and it felt like a good 30-60 seconds before I saw others scrambling around and shouting. still in disbelief that not only did I get a house, but it's in ward 1 right on the damn beach.

now comes the hard part - finding someone who isn't bitter about not getting a house and convincing them to build one for me lol. I didn't realize kugane housing stuff was 50+.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 10, 2017, 03:19:14 PM
So I looked at all the stuff they added and when do they normally add the ultima/anima weapon for each expansion? I always though it'd be there from the start as a time grind way for non-savage players to get a weapon close to the best weapon, but there still isn't one?

Looking forward to the new souvenir turn-ins. Hopefully they aren't too tough to craft/gather because it'd be a nice easy way to start getting some gold scrips for high end gear/recipe books/gathering books. Also looking forward to leveling my squad to 60 and hopefully getting some new and better chemestries to bring in yellow scrips and/or higher quality materia to resell.

+MSQ, Shinryuu Ex, Matsuno Raid #1, Hildebrand.

Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on October 10, 2017, 04:21:50 PM
relic weapons are in smaller patches between updates. usually this means we'd be seeing it in November or something, but i heard eureka, which I believe is a map tied to the new weapon, was delayed til after 4.2. sucks but hopefully it means less grinding.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 10, 2017, 05:20:56 PM
New map? Like Diadum kinda thing?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on October 10, 2017, 06:35:50 PM
dunno, haven't heard many details
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 11, 2017, 02:37:45 AM
Did Matsuno Raid with random df players...oh boy   :wag

I've never seen so many people yell at each other and fight. By the second boss a bunch of people were throwing insults at each other and then half of one team dropped out. We sat and waited about 10 mins and eventually they filled and after a couple more tries and a bunch more bickering we beat the second boss. Third boss had one wipe because people didn't know when to go to their spots and got trapped outside of their team. Fourth boss had a bunch of deaths but it's an easy fight so healers slowly brought entire teams back to life and beat it on the first try.

The fourth boss was pretty lame and just pads out the raid to be a little too long. Nothing interesting about the fight. Second boss is awesome, first and third boss are simple but fun. Story stuff was whatever, no new music was kinda lame. Solid, but not amazing first raid. Hope they take some of the criticisms to heart like lack of new music for the next two parts.

Got my drop for the week, if I can take down Shinryu Ex and get a weapon in the coming weeks I should hit i330-i335 pretty quick. i324 now.

Will do the MSQ/Hildebrand this weekend.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on October 12, 2017, 12:23:21 PM
yesterday I spent two hours finding materials for a mailbox and it was fucking awesome. let the next stage of my addiction begin

also did the raid and it was really fun. my group wiped at every single boss and it was great and intense and people were mostly cool about it. I was surprised they seem like they're treating all the Ivalice stuff as canon which is cool and changes what fans assumed about an Ivalice timeline. can't wait for part two!

also did some of the msq. the dungeon was fun and looked nice, and what I saw from the story was cool bc i was worried they were going to do something* that they didn't end up doing... yet

*
spoiler (click to show/hide)
i was worried they were gonna have a goofy scene where Fordola feels bad and says she'll change her ways and suddenly she's with the good guys now or whatever. instead it looks like they'll actually kill her off, like they should.
[close]
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 12, 2017, 01:14:54 PM
^^ I should look into getting a mailbox for my house too.

I keep reading on gaf about people who try the raid dozens of times and never clear because the second boss. I guess I was lucky in that our team died a few times and argued but beat it in one run. Gaf's kinda making me afraid of trying the raid again next week ><

Also I had no idea what the Ranbastre coin did and just tossed it in my retainer inv, then I was in Rhaegors looking at the new Shinryuu gear and I saw you could exchange it for the item that upgrades any non-weapon i330 allegan gear -> i340! Got my i340 body piece and glamored that ugly shit. i325 now. Between creation tomes & the raid drops it shouldn't be that hard getting to i340 even without doing Savage for everything outside the weapon.

Weapon I'm still rocking an i320 non-meld >< I can save up 1000 tomes to get the i330 weapon, but I'd rather just beat Shinryuu and get the i335 weapon so I can use those tomes for more i330 gear. Dunno how tough that is gonna be but will probably try this weekend. Still no interest in messing with Omega Savage 2-4, but eventually after I clear Alexander Savage 4-12 I'll probably go for it.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on October 12, 2017, 01:55:50 PM
how do you get a weapon from Shinryu? i still need 700 more tomes for an i330 bc I've been slacking.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 12, 2017, 03:17:32 PM
Same as Susano. Shin Ex drops weapons and tokens. 10 tokens exchange for a specific weapon if you don’t get it from rolls before then.

I haven’t even looked at Shinryuu Ex, how are people taking it? Sounds way easier than Thordan Ex since tons of people seem to be clearing it in one day already. I don’t even know how people do that before there are guides? A lot of Savage/Ex patterns aren’t understandable on their face...
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on October 12, 2017, 07:03:13 PM
ok mitsuda said this ivalice is a different ivalice from the other games. dreams crushed :(

https://twitter.com/YasumiMatsuno/status/918025941372215297
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on October 13, 2017, 10:48:32 AM
finished up 4.1 and damn that was good. great single player fight and a scene that got me all in my feelings. looks like they're still aiming for at least one redemption story which is just ugh.

next on the list is Shinryu ex. doubt I'll clear it this weekend but I'd at least like to give it a shot. also gonna do more feast since I got up to gold ranking recently. i know I won't clear the top 100 but I'm 3/4 of the way to getting that tiny airship mount so yay.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on October 23, 2017, 03:25:21 PM
4.1 not bad, but overall kind of...goofy? Doesn't seem as focused as patches post-HW. then again, SB actually wrapped up its story. I am fine with the main redemption but the other one is...ugh.

With that fight and the new squad dungeons seems they are adding more solo-able stuff. I would be ok to try and solo maps/whatever the rando dinosaur islands are called. then again, not sure I would play too much of it. I am sure there will be solo POTD eventually.

Still haven't cleared the new raid but have only really tried twice. Been leveling BRD as a change and am having fun. Also steady crafting, hooked again.  :doge
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mercy on October 23, 2017, 04:17:46 PM
I need help... I am addicted to this shit and I don't know why.

It hates me, and beats me repeatedly, but I keep coming back for more.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on October 23, 2017, 04:33:41 PM
it's because this game is awesome



although I haven't played much since I finished most 4.1 stuff. really need to work on crafters so I can build more stuff for my house but it can be overwhelming sometimes.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: studyguy on October 23, 2017, 04:36:16 PM
I need help... I am addicted to this shit and I don't know why.

It hates me, and beats me repeatedly, but I keep coming back for more.

Stop fucking playing then.

Did like 40 maps so far, not a single one led to the new canals.
Tanaka would have never allowed for this.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on October 23, 2017, 04:41:11 PM
new as in the secret areas or new as in uznair? bc if you're just trying to get to uznair you need sb maps.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: studyguy on October 23, 2017, 04:44:02 PM
Group of us has been running gazelleskins non stop trying to get at least 1 of the new maps, the rates for getting to the final floor on luck dropped off a cliff.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Mercy on October 23, 2017, 05:02:17 PM
Stop fucking playing then.

Did like 40 maps so far, not a single one led to the new canals.
Tanaka would have never allowed for this.
Never...

My wife plays with me and it's honestly a lovely experience.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 23, 2017, 05:04:21 PM
Fuck hidden canals  :maf

I still haven't done the bulk of 4.1 MSQ. Haven't wanted to wait around in queue for the new dungeon.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: studyguy on October 25, 2017, 02:10:46 AM
Ultimate 420 noscope coil of bahamut looks cool but lmao fuck if I'm ever gonna beat that.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: SpeedStats on October 25, 2017, 02:59:58 AM
Been watching ultimate coil streams since I got home from work and it looks really awesome.

Shame Sunblade hasn't been able to play for a while cuz of hurricane Maria, otherwise we'd do more.  :(

All I've been doing lately is levelling shit without him in tow cuz I'd feel bad if I cleared stuff he didn't and I'd rather have him along so...

On Dragoon now. I forgot how I didn't like it much, tbh. I left it as one of my last DPS to level since I play Healers/MCH/NIN/RDM/BLM instead. I hate tanking so I'm leaving that for dailies.

(https://i.imgur.com/lN8HpQO.png)

I feel like I'll regret having levelled crafters so soon after launch but hey that's how I made the money for a house I never got to get :/
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on October 25, 2017, 04:31:02 PM
haven't looked at any of the new coil stuff bc i will never even consider doing it, but did they add in anything new besides mechanics?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: studyguy on October 25, 2017, 04:33:04 PM
haven't looked at any of the new coil stuff bc i will never even consider doing it, but did they add in anything new besides mechanics?

They added fucking players in the ass, it's actually the main draw.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on October 25, 2017, 04:37:21 PM
wait that was in the original version too. this must be dp or something.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: studyguy on October 25, 2017, 04:39:51 PM
wait that was in the original version too. this must be dp or something.
It's actually Twin, Nael & Bahamut running a train on you.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on October 25, 2017, 06:38:40 PM
Been out of commission for a month now cause Maria took away my power and internet. I feel so behind.  :'(

That's sad to hear about Sunblade. Hope he comes out of it well.

Thanks. Things are slowly getting better, so god knows when I'll be in a situation resembling normal again.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on October 25, 2017, 10:40:32 PM
Glad you're alright.

Now back to threads for games I actually play.

jooooooin uuuuusss
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on October 25, 2017, 10:47:14 PM
yeah do it Wrath you're not doing shit else

there's unlimited free time on the demo!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on October 26, 2017, 03:37:35 AM
All the platforms play together on the same servers. And even picking the right server is almost moot thesedays since cross-server parties and even friend lists became a thing.  :rejoice
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 29, 2017, 07:39:13 PM
Played a session for the first time in about a month to do the Halloween event. Man, this is such a nice game. Everytime I load it up for the first time in a while it's just so much fun again and lots of little things to do and cool world to run around in. Halloween event was great, ran the haunted mansion 3 times and had different objectives on 2 of the 3 which kept it fresh and fun.

Some of the people I know who play have ditched their subs at this point post SB, but I don't see myself ever unsubbing until it's all over. It's just a nice game to pick up and play here and there. I still gotta do Skalla and finish 4.1 MSQ. Maybe I'll try tonight.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Shrew on October 31, 2017, 11:33:29 PM
So everyone hates Praetorium, eh?

Can I fish my way to level 70? Cuz fishing's legit.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on October 31, 2017, 11:36:12 PM
you can fish your way to a level 70 fisher, yes. all classes level separately though so it's not gonna do you much good in dungeons. and everyone hates praetorium their first time bc is filled with cutscenes that you'll have to skip to keep up.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Shrew on October 31, 2017, 11:56:36 PM
you can fish your way to a level 70 fisher, yes. all classes level separately though so it's not gonna do you much good in dungeons. and everyone hates praetorium their first time bc is filled with cutscenes that you'll have to skip to keep up.

Coming from WoW, the mandatory dungeon thing is throwing me off. I'm fine with it, whatever, just hate feeling like I'm pissing other people off who are doing it for their Roulette thing.

In the same vein, I asked my Clan what they wanted from me, what I could do to help. "Just play". I'm like, ok, do you need mats and shit? "No."

The game is cool as hell, just mad culture shock. My mouse died during a Dungeon, I panic and ALT 4 looking for some batteries, before just shutting my comp off. Come back online 10 minutes later, and my group was still there waiting for me.  :heartbeat

Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: SpeedStats on November 03, 2017, 01:37:39 PM
So everyone hates Praetorium, eh?

Can I fish my way to level 70? Cuz fishing's legit.
I actually had to go with part of my FC for Prae/Castrum at the time where Sunblade and another member were tanks so they held up the raid so I could watch the cutscenes. We were lucky we had a few other folks in the party who were new. It was the night before maint for HW so it worked out pretty well. I was so touched I ended up deciding to buy HW (this was before Sunblade and I were together and I didn't realize he had ulterior motives by being excessively nice to me 🤔). They said they might eventually change up how prae / castrum are done because it is a bit of a mess. Maybe make it a single player instance.

Also when you get to Fisher 61, you unlock spearfishing and I thought it was pretty fun and it was really easy to level. You didn't have to have bait and the fishing gig they give you at unlock is the only gig you'll ever get so you don't have to spend money on anything. I usually gather as botanist but fisher was my first gatherer 70 because it was made so much easier with spearfishing.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on November 17, 2017, 03:33:24 AM
So I haven't played this for a few weeks, and even then was just one day doing the halloween event and one day running Mastuno map when it came out. Otherwise haven't really played it seriously for almost 1.5 months now.

The time away from FFXIV has kinda let me step away from it and I look back wondering why the fuck I spent hundreds of hours of my life leveling crafting classes and hundreds of hours selling stuff on the MB daily (multiple times a day), the hundreds and hundreds of hunts for gil & tomes, and all the hours and hours spent on treasure maps (which are fun once in a while but just a waste of time on a regular basis). I mean in the end the crafting classes have been useless and the gil pretty useless. Sure I bought a house, but I'm probably gonna lose my 20 million gil house from not logging in for 45 days because who cares. Basically playing other games has made me enjoy playing many other good games in the time an MMO takes up.

Now, I don't regret my time hanging out in Eorzea, or time on the main story, the sidequests, the raids & ex bosses and learning and beating their patterns. That was all great (well some sidequests were zzz). So definitely gonna keep playing, but my 6 month sub runs out at the end of the year and I'm thinking I'll kill my 2 extra lvl.70 retainers and cancel my sub and just come back for a month every 6 months and do the new MSQ, raids, ex-bosses, sidequests over 20-50 hours.

Ideally I should try to finish Alexander Savage, Omega Savage V2-V4, and Shinryuu Ex (and MSQ 4.1) before the end of the year so I'm at least caught up in battle content. Just gotta make some time for it, because when I'm playing other stuff I feel like I don't have the time to sink into FFXIV right now.

Also never, ever, ever touching another MMO after this outside FFXIV's successor at some point where I'll probably jump in at the start but stick to the battle content.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on November 20, 2017, 12:02:52 AM
i'd try and sell your house at least, before you go. the extra gil could help you gear up when you come back after a long break.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on November 20, 2017, 08:17:42 AM
i'd try and sell your house at least, before you go. the extra gil could help you gear up when you come back after a long break.

Def, sell your house. Not a great time to sell as there is a bit of uncertainty over the next update, but losing that much over nothing is going to get you mad at yourself one day lol.

I am 4 levels of BSM/ARM away from all crafters at 70. That's probably going to be my endgame for now, I don't think I feel like spending the money to be a bleeding edge crafter or anything. Possible I finish leveling my BRD (got to like...58?), but I'll probably be taking a bit of a break soon, lot of other stuff to play.

Still, game is only 10/month and I generally get that much enjoyment out of it, will probably keep sub going for a while yet.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on November 20, 2017, 08:28:13 AM
yeah now that i have a house i'm working on my crafters with my sub time. they're all only in the 40s so i have a long way to go, but there's already a lot of different furniture to make or sell. it's not something i wanna log in every day to work on, but it's something fun to do when i want to be in eorzea.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on November 20, 2017, 12:06:17 PM
I was under the impression you will get your account banned and lose everything if you try to sell a house because it is against the rules of service now.

Better to just let your house expire and go pick up a chunk of the value & all your goods from the housing NPC after.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on November 20, 2017, 01:02:35 PM
It falls under the many grey area issues that the GM team doesn't care for unless its abused. Like, officially, using third party parsers like ACT like literally every world 1st group for raids does is also against the TOS, but they aren't being used to harass other players so its never enforced.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on November 20, 2017, 02:39:57 PM
Not even worth a grey line for a couple thousand gil for me. I already got more gil than I could ever use if I'm out of the crafting game.
And I did read stories when I first was playing about people banned for selling houses. I was looking because I wanted to buy a house from someone.

I mean if it's two people who connected and made a deal elsewhere there's no way to track. But usually selling a house means putting a message on PF in other and then that can get you banned.

I do miss playing with you Sunblade and Speedstats and PT. If the ex-gaf guild wasn't so helpful I'd go back to Hyperion at some point. Having a guild with a 100+ active members is pretty helpful though for getting parties to do old high level content. Much better than pf, people don't get pissed off or drop after 2 tries and stuff.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on November 20, 2017, 03:36:29 PM
Replace couple thousand gil with a couple millions.   :tophat
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on November 20, 2017, 03:45:52 PM
Whoops, yeah been a while.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on November 27, 2017, 11:19:21 PM
Logged in and did the November event since only 1 day left. Since I didn't play FFXI, means nothing to me, but the gear set is pretty nice looking!

Still debating whether to unsub next month...I'm assuming that if you are paying for extra retainers that if you unsub the extra retainers are deleted and you lose all their progress and inventory? Game costs me about $220 a year with 2 extra retainers on 6 month subs. That's a decent chunk of change if I'm not going to play it much in 2018. *edit* actually just googled it and found out you keep your retainers and their inv for when you resub. Maaaaaan, I really should just sub every other year for 6 months. 6 months would give me enough time to play the new expansion + catch up on previous new post-game stuff. Since I'm over crafting, kinda over the idea of leveling any other battle classes and just want to play the story & hi-end battle content, if I catch up, 6 month sub every other year should be plenty of time.

Will lose the house tho, oh well. Still have my guild Apartment which is more decked out anyhow.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: bluemax on November 28, 2017, 01:32:27 AM
I finally hit level 50 on my first job.

Probably won't sub for December because of holidays/work.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on November 28, 2017, 11:07:30 AM
now the real game begins
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 17, 2017, 05:32:21 PM
Man, HW area music still gives me shivers down the spine. And it’s not even nostalgia because I played through all 3 msqs in the same year. It’s just the atmosphere for HW locations can’t be beat.

I logged in and finally queued and did the 4.1 MSQ dungeon, so now I can finish the MSQ but not super motivated because SB locale/story is a bit boring imo.

I hope the next expansion is stronger in locales. Gameplay-wise SB is great with dungeons & bosses and raids. But just walking around in the world is just ok.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: bluemax on December 18, 2017, 10:50:25 PM
Turns out my sub ended this weekend so I put in a few hours.

Didn't really get to see any of the cutscenes for the final dungeon of 2.0, and I got left behind. 8 person dungeons are crazy.

Quests that require you to do a FATE only the FATE doesn't Spawn suck.

The Hildebrand quest line (which I have not finished) is some really weird anime shit.

Sometimes this game does not explain stuff well enough, it took a lot of guess work and googling for me to get the right thing for a relic weapon quest.

Queued up last night (late I suppose 10pm PST) as a Samurai, the queues were so much worse than I'm used to as a Warrior. Might also be because I was doing hard mode dungeons?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 18, 2017, 11:11:57 PM
DPS queues are like 5-25 mins. Tank/healer queues are instant. So if you're used to tank queues, it's gonna be slow. As DPS you learn to queue and do other stuff while waiting.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 18, 2017, 11:58:53 PM
few things:

-you can watch old cutscenes in the inn; it's pretty much the only way you'll see the ending to arr since those last few dungeons suck
-dont bother with the relic quest; that's filler content from back in the day and it wont get you anything worthwhile

also lol bebs nice to see you're still here ;) the way i look at it is not how much i spend in a year but in a month. one month of the game costs me the same as one good takeout meal, so it's not enough for me to stress over. and even on months like this where i dont play as much i still find myself logging in for a few hours a week just to poke around and say hi to people. i swear for the few months i unsubbed i had withdrawls lol. but if you do unsub it's no big deal (aside from losing your retainer items but eh). you can always jump back in whenever so there's no real downside to walking away for awhile.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on December 20, 2017, 04:34:27 PM
few things:

-you can watch old cutscenes in the inn; it's pretty much the only way you'll see the ending to arr since those last few dungeons suck
-dont bother with the relic quest; that's filler content from back in the day and it wont get you anything worthwhile

also lol bebs nice to see you're still here ;) the way i look at it is not how much i spend in a year but in a month. one month of the game costs me the same as one good takeout meal, so it's not enough for me to stress over. and even on months like this where i dont play as much i still find myself logging in for a few hours a week just to poke around and say hi to people. i swear for the few months i unsubbed i had withdrawls lol. but if you do unsub it's no big deal (aside from losing your retainer items but eh). you can always jump back in whenever so there's no real downside to walking away for awhile.

This has pretty much been me since 2.0 launch  :doge
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 23, 2017, 09:27:38 PM
Welp, cancelled my sub. Still have like 2 weeks left, but when I got the message from steam that the $100+ charge for 6 months was coming up...just wasn't worth it for how little I log in right now. I tried logging in today to do more 4.1 MSQ and the x-mas event, but idk as much as I really like the game, when I'm playing other rpgs it just feels kinda a drag and I'd rather spend the time with the other rpgs I'm playing. Like I feel FFXIV is the kind of game that I need to dedicate time to as my main game between other stuff. If I'm playing other rpgs I probably won't use it much and the monthly sub's a waste. I think I'll play it a few times in 2018 but each time I'll just sub for 1 month and jump in and play a bunch as the main game I'm playing at the time.

That said, I did appreciate the clapping bear in this xmas event.

(https://i.imgur.com/48nr3E7h.jpg)

Also I saw that the FFXIV Orchestra album is out. Gotta check that out!

And bonus probably final pic until I resub, my house (which I'm totally going to lose):

(https://i.imgur.com/AK7L470h.jpg)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 28, 2017, 04:32:51 AM
I might stick with my sub after all. Didn't realize the next Omega raid set is out so soon. The weekly omega raid run was probably the most fun I had with SB outside launch day crazy stuff and treasure map groups. Hmmm, gonna try to finish 4.1 MSQ and see how I feel after it ends. My main problem with 4.1 MSQ is it's kinda boring? There's no exciting story contuining like after HW and there's no interesting Ascian crazyiness starting or other dimensional planet fights appearing or anything. It's just like hanging out with Lyse and figuring out how to rebuild and run ala mhigo. Need some sort of a new interesting story arc to grab me again. I'll see if that kicks in by the end of 4.1 MSQ, if not hopefully 4.2 MSQ is the kickoff for a new plotline.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 29, 2017, 07:34:22 PM
Welp, finished 4.1 and re-subbed for another 6 months. I'm a damn sucker, but I do enjoy this game whenever I sit down and actually play it. 4.1 MSQ started pretty slow since 4.0 MSQ didn't really leave a ton to build off, but I did enjoy the second half and the end combat scenario was good if a bit too scripted. Definitely much more interested in 4.2 MSQ since I greatly prefer the Doma characters/setting. I wonder how they're going to balance the whole Stormblood being 2 separate stories in different locations for the post-game. Keep alternating MSQs? Would be nice if they could make both work together since the main SB 4.0 didn't really do that too much.

Anyhow, gotta go do the 4.1 beast tribe unlock and 4.1 Hildebrand. Maybe I'll try Shinryuu Ex...
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 29, 2017, 08:22:36 PM
I'm just hoping we'll get a nice sized section dedicated to the Xaela
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 30, 2017, 01:20:18 AM
Wait, so 4.1 Hildebrand is like one 15 minute intro quests "actual Hildebrand quest coming later"? Seemed really short.
Unlocked beast tribe and did a few quests. Fun.
Ran Rabanastre again, had only done it once on release day, still a decent challenge with team chaos and fun. Got an i330 belt and used the coin to upgrade my helmet from i330 -> i340. Not bad.

Went around trying to get back in the swing of things and remember how all this worked. Kinda getting back in the swing of things. Was interesting to see how the market board's changed. Server is super dead on Ultros. My hunt linkshells are dead. Do people ever get back into hunts during the post-game patches? Or is it like hunting is popular for a few months after an expansion and then dead for 1.5 years?

I guess I need to unlock/try this new PvP mode and see how it is. Also need to try an adventurer squadron dungeon although when it released I heard the AI is so bad it's not fun at all.
Now that I finished 4.1 MSQ and unlocked M'Naago's collectibles I can get some easy scrips to gear out my crafters/gatherers if I wanted, maybe.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 30, 2017, 08:58:57 AM
i think hunts are dead because 1. the rewards are easy to get and kind of useless right now and 2. the old hunts die waaayyyyy too fast and they really need to stick some extra zeroes onto their hp. it's annoying because i still need some more speed increases for arr maps.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 31, 2017, 01:12:28 AM
Do you think they'll pick back up when the new tomestones are out since you can grind them for 10 tomes at a time (seemed like the fastest tome grind + cracked clusters = gil $$)?

Now that it's the end of the year, been thinking back on some of my favorite moments of 2017 and I think the night I spent doing 3 hours of Lakshmi Ex with a few of the gaf fc + randoms all learning it from start to end while dancing around killing each other while charmed was one of my favorite gaming moments this year. Susano Ex was real good too, learning the lightning dance back and forth. Omega Savage was good but a little less memorable since it didn't have those neat songs and felt a little too high-end and less fun/beatable during my attempts.

I wonder when the SB ost will come out, I really like the Lakshmi song.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on December 31, 2017, 10:26:04 AM
i'd imagine so, since there'll be a rush to get the new gear and possibly some more materia for the raiders
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 08, 2018, 12:29:54 AM
I tried that 48 player DoTA mode and besides no idea what was going on, did they mess PvP balance up entirely at this point? I would 1v1 Ninja DPS vs White Mage and somehow the WM would be able to self-heal fast enough to survive forever against a DPS attacking them non-stop? That was...weird. I'm used to PvP being the DPS v healer = healer dead in a few seconds...
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 08, 2018, 01:08:23 AM
yeah you need multiple dps to take down a healer now. they'd be way too weak otherwise.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 08, 2018, 01:16:17 AM
But that's why a healer is supposed to travel with tanks and dps to protect them? Healers feel like tanks now which is weird.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 08, 2018, 12:02:17 PM
I feel like the idea is that a healer is strong enough to keep one person alive when it's being targeted by a single dps, so that teams will have coordinate more to effectively take down targets. tanks now seem great at stunning and interrupting people, so a good one can really fuck with casters.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on January 08, 2018, 02:48:11 PM
My SSD failed and upon reinstalling was reminded that almost all the settings/hotbars are locally stored.  :-\
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 08, 2018, 04:31:25 PM
happened to me last year and i still haven't rebuilt everything. fuck trying to remember how i had 30 different crossbars set up :maf
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on January 11, 2018, 01:19:01 PM
too lazy to redo everything so on break till maybe the weekend before patch drops. gonna get people killed  :lol

patch looks bigger than expected, I bet imma regret getting all craft classes to 70 before the labia quests dropped.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 21, 2018, 06:46:38 PM
Ok, so I've been back and kinda messing around with FFXIV a bit. Doing the new souveniers and getting tons of yellow scrips. I got to almost the max 2,000 limit and was like "ok, time to use them, lemme craft whatever HQ collectible so I can trade in for the i300 crafting gear.

Then I went to the MB and looked at what the highest crafting gear is for sale...and you can buy a full i320 gear/i325 tools outfit for like a million gil.

I'm so confused. I thought the idea was that for combat gear you can't buy your way to the top and the best you can get is like -10 ilevels from what you can get raiding. I would have assumed the same was for crafting/gather. That the best crafted gear would be -10 ilevels from what the crafting/gathering gear you can get from scrip trade ins is. So what is the scrip gear 20+ ilevels below what you can buy crafted?

Like what the heck am I supposed to even spend all these yellow scrips on? At least with red scrips I'm buying all the recipe book Vs (I finally got all the III/IV for every class), and for gathering red scrips you can turn in for the hidden mining/bot/fishing node areas.

But yellow scrips seem worthless right now? So confused.

Also, once the new patch comes out is it going to be easier to get a good weapon/creation tomes? Like I'm still running an i320 weapon and I've been saving up creation tomes to get 1000 to buy an i330 weapon which I can convert to an i340 weapon using the raid drop. I'm up to like 680 creation tomes now. Am I going to regret grinding the last 320 creation tomes I need to get my weapon from i320->i340 in a week because the new patch will be dropping i340+ weapons or creation tomes like candy? What level gear is the non-savage version of the new raid going to drop?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 21, 2018, 07:08:21 PM
Ok, I'm reading up on how HW gear progression went. So assuming everything is the same, when 4.2 hits in 9 days.

4.2 Raid tokens - i350 gear
4.2 Ex Trial - Maybe i350 weapon?
4.2 Savage raid - i370 gear

Hmmm, so still might make sense for me to get my weapon from i320->i340 since even if I get i350 gear from the normal mode of the 4.2 raid series I'll need to clear the 4.2 Ex trial (which will probably be tougher than the non-savage 4.2 raid series) a bunch of times to get an i350 weapon which might take a while.

At some point I still gotta watch a vid and try Shinryu Ex, but loot-wise not much point if it just drops i335 weapons since I'll be at i340 weapon soon.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 29, 2018, 11:14:33 PM
4.2 Patch notes up. Not bad, not bad at all....

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/75c691f90f4a7da3907f0671ac33e139e9792abf

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"To ensure new players are able to enjoy the cutscenes in Castrum Meridianum and the Praetorium, all cutscenes in these dungeons can no longer be skipped.
Because this will increase the time required to complete these dungeons, completion rewards and Duty Roulette bonuses for these duties have been increased"

-man, some people gonna rage. Either that or queues gonna be impossible for these.

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The Triple Triad icon displayed above NPCs will change depending on the player's standing with them.
The player has yet to challenge the NPC or has yet to win against them.
The player has won against the NPC but has yet to acquire a card from them.
* An icon will no longer display above an NPC when a player has both won a match against them and acquired all available card rewards.

This is cool and might get me to play some more TT

-New fashion mini-game in gold saucer
-New (hard) dungeon
-Crafting beast tribe
-New trial + ex trial
-New raid tier
-New MSQ
-New treasure dungeon rewards
-Hunts now give the new tomes so people gonna be hunting again!!
-Bunch of other stuff, some battle changes to tank/healers but nothing for NIN

Only change I'm iffy on is they're putting Matsuno FFXII/FFT raid into the Alliance Raid DR. My problem with this is if you do the DR, I'd imagine 95% of the time you'll just keep getting the FFXII/FFT raid over and over because people will be running it for the i330 gear sets which are still relevant. Like the whole reason I wanted an Alliance Raid DR was so I could play all the old ARs which are hard to get into now. I think they should probably keep the latest Alliance Raid Trio out of the DR each time.

Anyhow, this is pretty exciting. Feels closer to like 4.0's release to me. Will finish my crafters to 70 with the beast tribe, will gear up a bit and then finally do Deltascape V2-V4 Savage & Shinryu Ex, will do the new Raid tier normal, do the new trial normal + Ex, get back to doing some hunts and treasure maps for fun and loot. Will do the new Fractal (hard) dungeon & MSQ.

Pretty cool.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 30, 2018, 04:07:03 AM
today's the fucking daaaaaayyyyyyy
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on January 30, 2018, 09:53:49 AM
Will check out at least the story but I haven't really been on in a while. Wonder if any of my crap sold...
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 30, 2018, 04:33:07 PM
Forgot that unlike combat beast tribes, the crafting one needs a chain of normal quests to unlock first :|

So poking around, some observations:

New raid tier (normal) = i350 set
New Ex trial = i355 weapons
New tomes = i360 set
New tomes + drop item = i370 set
New raid tier (savage) = i370 set

Creating gear:
Best purchasable/craftable = i320/i325 which was the same as 4.1 and completely outdated turn in seal gear that was i300
Turn-in gold seal gear = now the i300 gear upgrades to i330 gear making the best crafting gear available seal gear which makes more sense

One odd thing is I'm surprised with new Tomes there isn't a new class of Materia? Like I realized that hunts are still gonna be dead sadly. The reason people did hunts so much in the early months was a combination of easy way to get Tomes + cracked clusters for $$$. Now when there isn't new materia and Materia VI doesn't sell that much, people just do DRs for tomes instead of hunts. I'm guessing new Materia VII will come in 3.3? Then maybe hunts will be slightly more active but people won't need the tomes as much.


I think I'll do the MSQ first to unlock the new stuff you need to finish the MSQ for, then my upgrade route will be doing a few DRs and getting my 1000 creation tomes -> i330 weapon -> i340 weapon, then doing the new raid tier (normal) for i350 gear while getting tomes for the i360 gear and maybe I'll try to do the new Ex trial and get an i355 weapon. Can probably get somewhere between i350-i360 just from non-grind playing which should open the door into Savage raiding again.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on January 30, 2018, 05:38:18 PM
I skipped the 4.1 tombstone grind pretty much so only lvl 303. Oof.

Had enough seals for a 330 augment, glad I never bought much ala mhigan stuff. Wish I woulda gotten more of the base yellows tho.

Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 31, 2018, 03:19:13 AM
Oh my god the first raid fight in Sigmascape
oooooooooooooooooooooommmmmgggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

Glad I went into this patch blind!

So after doing that and having a great fucking time, I decided to grind duty roulette all night :lol since the creation tome payout is great right now and I was just like 250 tomes away + 1 Matsuno drop from an i340 weapon. Felt like if I'm doing the new raid content/Ex boss I really shouldn't be running some non-melded i320 weapon at this point. So did an AR DR (World of Darkness - still fun); lvl.70 dungeon DR (Kugane Castle - boring dungeon but Yojimbo fight's still fun) and then ran Rabanastre again (still good though the first two bosses are the best) and got my i340 weapon and melded some VI materia on it since I'll be using it for at least a little while.

Also got an i350 earring drop from the first raid of sigmascape, so both those brought me from i326->i332.  Feel like that's a pretty comfy point to do the rest of the Sigmascape (normal) raid tier and the new trial+Ex which would put me a little over i350 which would be a good entry point for savage. Definitely going to be playing a bunch again of this for the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on January 31, 2018, 11:12:07 AM
I am gonna do some roulettes and get relatively creationed out, by that time should be refreshed enough not to totally embarrass myself in the raid.

I am going in blind too tho, sorry guise  :derp
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on January 31, 2018, 11:17:16 AM
Also this patch came in at perfect time to dissuade me from caving and buying more fullish price games i likely won't play much. Will wait and buy DBZ and MHW till...oh IDK I've at least taken PREY out of the damn wrapper.

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Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 31, 2018, 01:05:06 PM
haha i hear you. i was trying to decide between getting a switch or getting mhw, but instead i'll just calm down and play some more ffxiv.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 01, 2018, 05:32:07 PM
So I do all the quest chain to unlock the beast tribe thinking it's like the moogle chain and I'm gonna get my crafting tribe to get the rest of my crafters to lvl.70

...and it's another battle quest beast tribe  :'(


So the catfish dudes will be the crafting tribe after all in the next patch I guess.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 01, 2018, 10:31:20 PM
i did the story stuff, which was good but i'm already desperate for more. there were also two sidequest branches that were really good. one was all story dealing with old characters, and i love how this game keeps the whole world moving at all times. all those little characters have arches that go right along with the story. i havent seen anything else like it except for the mass effect trilogy, but i really love it because it keeps the world feel so much more alive. the other sidequest had a fun and amazing-looking dungeon, and a new boss fight that was awesome. i can't believe they're still able to come up with new types of boss attacks but i definitely appreciate it.

looked into the new glamour system too and im not exactly sure how it works yet. i thought i'd be able to equip outfits without having my stats changed and without equipment taking up space in my inventory. so far that's what it looks like it's done, but i can't figure out how to unequip the glamour and go back to my regular outfit!

i'll save the beast tribe and the new raid for this weekend.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 02, 2018, 02:57:53 AM
Yeah I couldn't figure out the glamor cabinet AT ALL. Nothing shows up on any of the panels and it makes no sense to me :|

At least the storage box at the inn seems to accept more stuff into storage now. Was able to dump a handful of gear into it although I don't understand why outfits like Santa Claus Boots don't go in but Suit does, or why Hildebrand outfit doesn't, or why the New Scion Clothes set doesn't etc...

Anyhow, used the opportunity to spend an hour clearing out my equipment inv. Was pretty full on my char, but cleared like 50% of each category. Should last me until next expansion unless I invest heavily in leveling and glamoring other battle jobs.

Game seriously needs a equip inv storage fix. If you actually level all the battle jobs and get tons of rare cool looking armor sets, even with a few retainers there's no way you can store it all. I'm maxing out 2 retainers inventories just for like a couple battle jobs worth of outfits and I don't even care about glamoring my crafters/gatherers.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 02, 2018, 10:01:09 AM
I am lucky the glamour bug never got me   :success
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 03, 2018, 01:44:13 PM
So I got up for the weekend and did some of my weeklies, grabbed a lvl.VI master recipe book (alchemy) and hmmmm you can make i350 gear. That's like...actually kinda nice. This is the first time I've been caught up (well almost, I've got Goldsmith, Alchemist, Cul at 70, the rest are still like 64/65) and in my 300+ hours of crafting, I have always been doing it just for fun and it's never once actually provided anything useful :lol

But now since even at best it's going to take like 4-8 weeks of doing the normal Sigmascape raid to get a full i350 set and maybe a couple of i360 tomes pieces along the way, if I actually had all my crafters to lvl.70 with master recipe VI books I could shortcut that and make a full i350 set right now which would be nice!

I think my goal is gonna be to at least craft an i350 accessory assuming goldsmith recipe book VI has rings or something. Just being able to craft a piece of gear that actually increase my combat job's ilvl would be pretty spiffy! Though I assume the mats are going to be insanely expensive or incredibly time consuming to gather them all from scratch.


Also I did the fashion report at Gold Saucer. Uh, that is a new source of insanely good MGP payout. You don't even have to bother with it and if you fail you get 10,000 MGP each attempt and you can try 4 times every weekend, so you get 40,000 MGP no effort. Even more if you put effort into matching the categories. Now I just gotta figure out what to spend all this MGP on....

Doing the valentines quest now, I like how most of these seasonal events are giving mounts now.


Gonna try to do the MSQ -> new dungeon -> new trial -> Sigma V2-V4 (normal) this weekend to get caught up outside savage/ex stuff. Also wanna run some treasure maps again since they've upped the loot and increased chance to get to hidden canals which I never got to.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 03, 2018, 02:35:04 PM
Ok, this valentines event is kinda awkward if you don't have anyone to do it with :X
At least I learned how to use signs and waypoints! The card game is pretty much impossible without some form of communication.

Now I just need someone to do the fortune telling with :X
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2018, 03:42:28 AM
Finished the 4.2 MSQ, was good and Gosetsu still the best character since HW, but felt short and just ended mid-storyline. Was kinda weird? I guess this storyline will be 4.2+4.3 and then 4.4-4.5 will be prologue to the next expansion.

The post-SB stuff is a bit odd in that

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The retcon of EVERY.GODDAMN.ANTAGONIST, like let's bring back the Skull leader and make her good, let's bring back Yotsuyuu and make her peaceful, let's bring back ZENOS...WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU BRINGING BACK ZENOS? I thought when they had that scene in 4.1 where they said Zenos was still alive it was supposed to show how the empire's politics were spreading deceit among their citizens to damage control like "nah, Zenos didn't die, he's perfectly fine and everything is still a-ok Imperial Citizens"...but no, he's actually still alive? Huh? He died pretty good at the end of SB.

It's just weird and definitely undermines SB to make all these super evil villians killing people non-stop and then you beat them and now everyone is back and most are let off the hook. Pretty weird story decisions.
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Also did V2 & V3 of Sigmascape normal. The fights were ok, kinda uninspired? V2 feels more like a dungeon gimmick boss and V3 feels like an Alexander DPS check stage except with no DPS check?

I feel like Sigmascape Normal is even easier than Deltascape normal so far not having done V4. I remember when Deltascape came out parties were wiping on V3 for a few days getting turned into frogs and stuff. People actually had to learn how to play. Plus V3 was pretty complex. V2/V3 are so lenient, both fights I did tonight a bunch of people had (including myself) had no idea what we were doing, first time, no video watching, and we still beat both on the first try. Doesn't feel very satisfying.

Like I feel the right difficulty for at least latest Raid bosses, even in normal should be "blind team generally wipes once or twice and figures it out and then beats it", it should require actual learning of the mechanics even if it doesn't require perfect execution. Like V3 Sigmascape feels like a DPS check boss with tons of adds and if you're not careful you spend all the time fighting adds and not the boss, but we took like 15 mins and it never wiped so like what's the point?

Gonna do V4 normally tomorrow, I hope it lives up to Deltascape V4. I remember Deltascape even on normal if people didn't learn the difference between non-void powered attacks and void powered attacks you could definitely wipe. Team had to learn to actually look at the names of upcoming attacks + whether the void is kicking in or not. Hopefully Sigmascape V4N has at least that much effort required to pass.

Then just gotta do the 2 dungeons + Byakko trial. Should be done with all the non-savage tier 4.2 stuff tomorrow.

*edit* Looking around I saw that lots of groups cleared all of Sigmascape Savage in less than 24 hours, damn. Yeah it feels like this raid set/patch is easier than 4.0/4.1 stuff. Maybe I'll actually get through Savage on this one. I actually felt like endgame 4.0/4.1 had pretty solid difficulty between Susano/Lakshmi/Deltascape/Rabanastre, hope they aren't thinking about adjusting the overall difficulty down a bit to more it more accessible.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2018, 06:03:46 PM
Couple of other FF14 observations.

While you can craft i350 "green rarity" items, the stats suck. They have identical stats to my blue i320 Deltascape normal gear (I still have like 2 i320 pieces from back then). So there is zero reason to spend the money/time crafting this stuff since it really only brings you up in line with the Deltascape normal gear and you can run deltascape normal a bunch of times and and get all the i320 blue gear in a few hours probably since there's no caps now.

Not sure what is the point of high-end crafting gear. Maybe HQ versions are closer in line with real i350 gear? Hmm, I should check the marketplace and compare stats of a HQ crafted i350 ring.

Also on the fashion report, I was wrong about how much MGP you get. You get 10,000 MGP every week for no-effort entry, but then even though you get 4 attempts, you don't get any additional MGP on attempts 2-4. I'm assuming if you beat it you get the additional like 40,000 or something on that attempt. It's kinda lame though because the restrictions are so tight on winning that you basically can't win unless you just google what the exact winning outfit pieces are and go get them/buy them. My handmade outfit that fit all the categories in my opinion got like 57 points and you need 80+ to win -_-

So before I fell asleep last night I watched the guide vids for:

-Shinryu Ex
-Sigmascape Savage 1

Since those + Byakko are the next Ex/Savages I'm gonna do (don't want to spoil Byakko since I haven't done the normal trial yet).

Shinyru Ex looks fucking crazy. Like the individual what to do at each moment of time doesn't seem too bad in execution, but there's so many goddamn attacks and phases just remembering that all is gonna be tough. Like there is 0% chance after watching 1 vid I can jump into a group and remember it all and not fuck up and die. I'll definitely need a learning party to learn and muscle memory each attach sequence.

Sigamscape V1 looks fine. Couple of attacks that you just need to learn how to work together (dropping spotlights & leading ghosts while stacking), but once get the hang of that shouldn't be an issue.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2018, 06:27:18 PM
Ok, checked and confirmed. HQ crafts of the i350 green gear = same stat numbers of i350 blue gear but in different secondary stats. (ie, one has critical hit + 86, one has determination + 86).
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2018, 06:57:56 PM
Well, V4 Normal was great. About on par with Deltascape V4, maybe even a little better fight but slightly easier since Delatscape V4 didn't have attack markers for a few of the attacks.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2018, 09:41:53 PM
Hell's Lid was zzz trash with 2 decent bosses
Fractal (hard) was zzz trash with 1 decent boss and 2 good bosses
Byakko trial (normal) was ok, felt similar to Susano but much easier, song was the metal screamo kinda trash.

Welp, to get into Sigma Savage V1 or Byakko Ex you need to be i340 and I'm only i332. My runs on V2->V4 normal got me pieces that need more for turn in. Maybe I'll hit i340 in a week or two. If I wanted to I could probably grind it out with creation tomes but not in a rush and don't feel like grinding DRs.

I kinda wish they made Ex versions of dungeons with better gear (I mean all the gear in the dungeons are outdated day 0 which makes them all kind of pointless outside DRs, both dungeons drop i325 which is outdated by the i330 4.1 raid gear, you'd think the dungeons would be dropping like i335 gear or something). It's a shame dungeons are all so zzz. I remember back in Stone Vigil when you could wipe on normal mobs, or at least wipe on bosses if you didn't learn the mechanics. Some of the bosses in these dungeons are really good but their attacks are too forgiving. Like the boss of Fractal (hard) feels like if you buffed up the difficulty it'd be a good challenging fight.

Anyhow, 4.2 was a fun patch with a solid amount of content. Downside is everything was made easier for some reason. I wonder how the retention numbers are going to be until 4.3/4.4 since it feels like everyone is going to beat Sigma Savage pretty quick and be over it.

Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 05, 2018, 02:11:59 PM
people are already dropping off.  :doge

I will probably be playing for a bit, want 330 for WHM at least, may also continue with my BRD.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 07, 2018, 02:40:17 AM
Did weekly run on Sigmascape. Didn't get jack shit on V1 & V2 even though I needed on all 4. Forgot that was a thing. Sucks. Got a piece I don't need on V3, and meh another 1/4 body piece on V4 (my body is already i340, so i350 ain't gonna do much, 4 parts sucks).

Anyhow, playing through it again actually knowing all the mechanics, V3/V4 are the most fun because they have the most mechanics to do constantly. V2 is ok but kinda boring just like V2 Deltascape and V1 is amazing the first time but kinda boring after on normal.

Will grind V1/V2 a few more times later this week until I win a roll on something. Right now have:

Head 1/2
Arm 1/2
Body 2/4
Leg 0/4
Feet 1/2
Accessories 1/4

So hopefully I can start getting some pieces by next week to get my ilevel up so I can try savage. Dunno how long it'll take me to get a piece of i360 tome gear since I'm not doing DRs, get like 10 or something per sigmascape so like 40 per week + a few hunts, idk maybe only like 50 a week w/o grinding DRs :( Pretty much gonna have to rely on those sigmascape i350 pieces to get my ilevel up past i340 and into Savage & Byakko Ex.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 07, 2018, 11:30:46 AM
Looked back on what would be involved to get my weapon upgrades from ilvl 300 and nah. Bought the 350 HW from MB for 1.5MM.

the worst thing about max level crafting is how much it takes to be useful on the cutting edge. its saved me tons on alts though. may try and craft some 350 accessories once i get more yellow scrip gear, but that may be a ways off as the market for the yellow scrip items is so good and minimal effort.

I would have spent about 3mm more but I forgot personal house purchases are locked out  :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 07, 2018, 04:07:30 PM
Yeah I could afford to just buy gear, but I’m like eh why bother I can grind it.

Not sure what best upgrade path from i300 would be. Since deltascape normal is quick and easy can probably grind i320 set in an afternoon, then do matsuno raid a couple times for some i330 pieces and that should get to i325, then run sigmascape for i350 set.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 09, 2018, 03:14:36 AM
Sitting in queue for sigmascape 1&2, no tanks across all data centers. Raid is one week and a few days old. Might as well just figure Tuesday is only day to get into the latest raids.

Plenty of DPS though!

That whole 2 New DPS jobs, no tank/healer feels like it’s gonna get worse and worse over time as the number of subs shrink until next expansion. Next expansion better have a new tank.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 09, 2018, 04:29:53 AM
Got into V2 -> V1 (no drop again) -> V1, yay.

At this point a week in feels like everyone is doing V1 & V2 in their sleep (V2 more than V1 because V1 needs a bit more on your feet thinking and movement). Had a perfect rotation run in V2, felt good, didn't drop Hutton the entire fight or miss a beat. Someone at the end went "woah, we did like twice the dps of the last group I ran with" so felt pretty good! V1 first time was kinda like that, fast and smooth, second time our tanks were failing tanking and the healers were laughing at them and we barely scrapped by with a healer LB3 at the end but made it.

Got up to i335 this week. Probably can hit i340 with next week's drops.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 09, 2018, 03:58:55 PM
Ok, so out of curiosity I'm bringing my Goldsmith up to i330 to have a max level crafter. I'm almost there on the primary weapon/left side. Just need one or two more weeks of souvenier turn ins for enough gold scrips.

But I was looking through my master recipe books and I didn't see any right hand i300+ gear? And the trade-in counter doesn't have right hand gear (including the 2ndary weapon tool slot). I looked at the market board and yeah, the left hand stuff that you can get from the trade-in counter is all available in crafted i325 gear for sale, but the highest gear for the right hand side seems to be the pre-post-game i290 HQ stuff?

Is that right? That the best you can get as of 4.2 for a crafter is left-hand side i330, right-hand side HQ i290 with an overall ilevel somewhere in-between (i310?). Seems odd. I'm assuming gathering classes are the same? I've kind of ignored my three gathering classes once they hit lvl.70. At some point I might want to try to gear one of them up as well to see what endgame gathering is like.

Also I looked at the craftmanship/control required to make the i350 accesories, you need 1500 craftsmanship so basically I'm guessing you need all i330 left/ HQ i290 right max igear to even attempt crafting the latest stuff each patch? And yeah I imagine food helps boost those stats a bit, though I'm not sure what the max bonus stats you can get these days from crafting food is.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 09, 2018, 11:40:35 PM
yep plus food plus specialist to be somewhat safe on HQ for the star stuff from what I have seen. high level crafting is like walking in on a conversation you are really interested in, that is above your head.  :derp

I got to max with one and kind of started looking at in depth, and ehhh. I like wasting time cracking out to relax , but this is like a second job.

That said, I got all to 70 at a leisurely pace for fun  :doge
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 10, 2018, 12:11:36 AM
I'm tempted to get all to 70 right now because it's so easy with just doing daily GC turn-ins and I have too much gil anyhow.

But then I think about how 3.3 is crafting beast tribe probably and how I'll have no incentive to do it if I'm not getting xp. So I'm trying to hold off and not worry about crafting much until the next patch at which point I'll hit 70 with the rest.

Also yeah, it's like I can put all this effort into getting $$$ materials and then doing all this stuff perfectly at max stats and hope to make a HQ i350 ring, or I can just go to the MB and buy it for 1 million gil who cares. I think I will go back to my old plan of getting all crafters to lvl.70 and then making nothing but minions/housing items/glamor gear for fun with them.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 10, 2018, 05:44:13 PM
Did some map pf thinking it'd be a better way to get mendacity tomes than the dungeon DRs because boy do I hate the zzz dungeons. Went 2 hours, got no loot (but I did get like 200-300 tomes) while everyone else got multiple thief maps and stuff worth millions, and it was even more zzz to play than dungeons. I think I'm done with maps for a while.

Although with 4.2 they definitely increased the drop rate of everything. Seems if you make it past floor 4 you're basically guaranteed a thief map or two now. Also can definitely tell the 20-30 ilevel increase of map parties compared to 4.1 map running, enemies melt pretty quick in the dungeon now.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 10, 2018, 06:40:55 PM
In more positive note stuff when I was in the Gold Saucer the FATE Cliffhanger was going where you platform up that track that goes around the cactuar. Been looking at that road for 900 hours every time I'm in the gold saucer and finally got a chance to climb it. Came in like with just like 2 mins left and beat it with like 10 seconds to spare. Took a lot of pictures waving to people down below from the top platform :)

Also did the Rabanastre raid again in the alliance dr, the more I play that raid, the more I think it's a really good raid. Outside a couple of the trash mobs that could've been cut (since it's pretty long as is), all the boss fights are pretty fun, though the final boss maybe has too much HP, it's not a bad fight and the sword gimmick + the devil/angel bit keeps it active, but it just goes a bit too long. First two bosses are great, 3rd boss is solid. Almost have a full NIN Ivalice set from it too, just missing Body & Feet.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 10, 2018, 08:31:44 PM
I'm cool on replaying an more regular dungeons until I can do them with an ai team that lets me go slow and take lots of screenshots. I'll take any of the raids any day because there's less pressure to speedrun. also they look so darn cool.

and omg I need to finish the Valentione event before it ends. hopefully there's still some lonely adventurers hanging around Gridania.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 11, 2018, 12:53:04 PM
So I finished the HW job quests for GSM and the mats cost me like 500k+ which was kinda annoying. Then I got into SB job quests and they give you all the mats for free over and over until you make it and I'm like this is the best decision ever for crafting jobs quests.

When I was doing the HW job quests and crafting stuff I went ahead and crafted other stuff for myself, and man crafting cool stuff sucks. You either spend a ton of time gathering lots of items and crafting smaller items into larger mats, or you go to the market board and spend $$$$$ and just buy all the mats to craft it

...then you check and you can buy the completed product on the MB for 1/2 the cost of all the mats it takes to make it and you're left wondering why do I have a crafter at all??

Anyhow, put some more stuff in my house. My house is mainly a dump everything nostalgic in one room house design :P

(https://i.imgur.com/ACJs7p8.jpg)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 11, 2018, 04:36:53 PM
Wow, I finally figured out how the new glamour dresser system works and it's really useful! Can see myself wasting a lot of time making outfits since it's fast and free now once you store all your stuff in it.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 15, 2018, 05:43:15 PM
Did my weeklies and some DRs, and got from like i336->i345.
Think I'm done grinding igear for this patch. Will do the weekly Sigmas to finish out the i350 set for glamour, but I'm good on DRs and hunts and maps. Doing the weekly raid (normal) runs to get your gear you really see all kinds of bizarre stuff. Like on Sigma V4 one time the tank kept tanking the boss facing away from the statue so since you need to look at the statue and you want to be hitting the boss's back, you'd have to turn your camera away from your back to facing your front. I mean it basically seemed like the tank was going "fuck y'all I'm the only one who gets a good camera angle for this fight", also saw my first wipe on V3, bad parties on V3 can be really bad! And saw people get in fights over V2 and almost wipe, like V2 normal is a joke so that was pretty weird. And these were all just runs for this week.

In dungeons people generally know what they're doing, but for some reason in raids people are all over the place. When you have a good team and the boss is melting it's good times, but if you get a bad team it can make you want to bail.

Now that I got above i340, just ready to get back to PF and try to get this stuff done for completion:

-Shinyruu Ex
-Byakko Ex
-Alexander Savage A4-12
-Deltascape Savage V2-V4
-Sigmascape Savage V1-V4

Hardest part will be getting learning party groups for most of those. Will grab a book and get ready for long waits. Would be nice to clear at least everything outside Sigmascape Savage. Would feel pretty much content complete on the battle side of the game until next patch at that point.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 16, 2018, 12:50:28 AM
Woohooo, Era FC + PF team helped me learn and take down A4S \o/

Got my mount :0

(https://i.imgur.com/3pHovr3h.jpg)

Now just gotta watch the A5S video tonight. Also probably should watch the Byakko Ex video so I don't go in totally blind.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 16, 2018, 04:42:52 AM
Joined a Byakko Ex learning party. Pretty much all new people, in about 90 mins we got a 6% wipe at enrage and a 2% wipe at enrage. Had 10 mins left after the 2% wipe so we decided to back out and go back in. We back out and both our tanks quit and leave. We get new tanks thinking as long as they know their roles we got this at this point, and we spend 20-30 mins of total fails not even getting near enrage :( That's what happens when you have a team dynamic going and people leave  :maf

At least I pretty much learned the fight at this point. As a NIN I fucking hate the Aritama balls coming out of him because my main support attack +10% DPS to team always pops during it with my rotation and I'm out of northern star, so to hit it I have to be right up close at his back and doing that while I'm circling him dodging the red balls is fucking annoying. I usually eat a ball going in for it to get that extra dps for the team. Then you have all the times people drop the gale force at the wrong spot so I go to dodge the big purple rectangle attack and get trapped with a glowing black AoE and die :( Not a big fan of the fight. It's ok but I don't find it too fun. The shmup section in the middle is too easy (basically feels like normal mode) and sitting through that every time sucks. First phase is super easy, and everyone starts messing up in the second phase.

I also kinda feel like the boss is built for ranged DPS, not melee. Between the red balls popping out of him and the lightning clusters making melee back off for a bit to dodge, seems like ranged DPS would have a lot more time to get in damage on this guy.

Oh well, should be able to clear it with the right party next time I play. Then can move to Shinryuu Ex.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 17, 2018, 01:25:21 AM
So...I think I’m bad at this game  :-\
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 17, 2018, 05:21:04 AM
??
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 17, 2018, 05:05:26 PM
Byakko Ex troubles, haha. Nothing worse than hours spent with multiple parties struggling to survive on a trial that is "easy"
The high end savage/ex game just depresses me. It's too stressful and waste of life/time. Unfortunately the normal trials/dungeons are zzz for me, and the most fun part I find is watching the savage/ex vids and learning the pattern dance and practicing it. But, less fun if you don't ever beat it :P

I feel like for me to enjoy FFXIV while also not letting it add more stress/depression to my life, I need to be ok with like watching an ex/savage vid -> trying it out in a learning/practice party for a run or two just for fun and then walk away and move on and not stress about trying to get a clear. But this is at odds with the fact that I'm terrible at giving up in gaming and will play the same battle like 10 hours straight until 6am until I win in a single player game. So idk, maybe I should unsub until the next expansion -_-

I think if I had like a group of friends who I could just casually do the high end content with and everyone has some beer and jokes around over discord and laughs over dumb deaths, it'd be enjoyable. But I don't, and pf groups are bunch of strangers who barely talk usually and on forums it's like super elitism by pro players telling everyone else they suck. Statics are too serious and time commitment as well, So idkk; I just want to play high end content casually and have fun which is a misdemeanor I guess because that's casual content.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 17, 2018, 07:28:45 PM
Cleared Byakko Ex with my 3rd party attempt today. Took the entire hour+ (we got a 2% enrage, backed out to repair and change DRK to WAR and came back). Was way too close. Down to the last second.

The odd thing was in the 5-6 runs prior where we hit enrage we always had an LB3 at the end and me being NIN always did the LB3 for 3-4% at the end. But this one time we didn't get LB3 so I'm sitting there mashing out my moves going FILL BAR FILL because the boss is <4% and I know if we hit it we auto win but if we don't we might fail. In retrospect I probably should've just done an LB2 for some damage which is better than the DPS I'd do in the time frame, but was having a heart attack and not thinking and just hoping to god we fucking kill this dude. And then we did about 80% into his finally storm pulse cast (at least I think that's the enrage, I might be misreading it and we had a couple more stomps to go which is why normally we got LB3 and maybe we actually killed him too fast before it filled? I dunno, too much adreline).

Anyhow, last few runs I did perfect runs at least from my NIN side. No mistakes, no deaths, always uptime DPS. If I join a farm team with people who are good I should be able to do it a few more times until I get my i355 weapon. Hmmm, will try and if the farm party is terrible will move on to Shinryuu Ex.

Glad I cleared Byakko today. Was thinking about unsubbing and taking a break for a while if I wasted 3 days on Byakko and never won.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 17, 2018, 07:53:28 PM
Ok, joined a farm party of people who know what they're doing and cleared it with 30 seconds to spare on first run. Feel a lot more ok about this fight now. Just gotta run it 6 more times to get my weapon...

then Shinryuu Ex
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 17, 2018, 08:20:59 PM
Had a couple kills, 3 totems now, then all the tanks/healers left :( Thought you only needed 8 totems for weapon, didn't realize it's 10. This gonna be a long night...
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 18, 2018, 12:23:23 AM
Started reading FFlogs and not sure how to feel about my DPS output. It's hard to compare without comparing gear. Are most of the people doing i340 content as a NIN geared at i350+ with food? I've still got some i330 gear and not using any food, so idk. My DPS isn't awful, but it's below the average i340 Ex content NIN player. Which is weird because around Deltascape I started reading rotation guides and following them. Like I saw an average NIN did 8k opening damage burst, but I cap out at 6.5k. Then again maybe that person doing 8k has a lot higher stats than me, dunno.

Since I'm not really inclined to spend gil/grind to get my gear up, not sure what I can take out of the logs. Will double check NIN rotation to see I'm not missing anything and maybe keep some food around and finish melding out my current gear with materia VI. Otherwise not gonna read that parser stuff, too serious for the casual-moderate level of play I'm going for.

tl;dr fflogs is a rabbit hole I’m not going down.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 19, 2018, 06:01:33 PM
So another thing I wanna do in this game besides get all my crafters up, is I'd really like to have tank/healer at 70 so I can jump into any role needed (plus experience the fights in different ways). Even though I have a PLD at 42, I'm trying to get a DRK up because of the job quest storyline. The problem is that 30-50 is such a sloooog. ARR content prior to 50 generally is boring. Not sure if there's a faster way to level from 30->50 but for now I'm trying to do like 1 leveling roulette a day for 30-45 mins with DRK and have been getting like 1 level per day that way mostly from the dungeon exp with rest bonus + food bonus.

I mean ideally I'll I'd like to get all crafters + battle jobs to max level, but before the next expansion I think I'd be fine with just crafter/gatherers + 1 dps/1 tank/1 healer.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 19, 2018, 09:12:50 PM
I tried doing a squadron dungeon to level my dark knight thinking how bad can it be?

Healer AI would not heal me much, focused on attacking. Healer AI died mid-level and wouldn't revive herself so had to suicide team to all revive together. Fought the Brayflox poison dragon boss, healer AI would stand in the poison pools and keep healing herself instead of me, the tank fighting the dragon.

Was painful. Gained 2 levels out of it, which was good. Up to lvl.35 now. But I'll stick to real team dungeons as I slowly level DRK as my tank.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 22, 2018, 01:44:59 AM
Doing these DRK runs, how am I supposed to know how much to pull? I don't want to piss off the healer and kill the team so I'm just tanking the enemies in each room. But at the same time I'm kinda worried that I'm pissing everyone off by going slow and not doing multiple room pulls, though no one has complained...yet.

I'm also not a great tank haha, at this point ~lvl.37 I'm mainly using GRIT mode (DEF+20%) w/Darkside on (DMG+20%, 0 MP absorb, but MP doesn't matter at all at this point) and occasionally if I feel safe I'll turn GRIT off and doing a power charge 15 second burst thing to do max damage I can for a bit before turning GRIT back on. Also obviously using the DRK version of Lob at the start of each mob and then the DRK version of Flash to grab everyone and trying to keep aggro with 1-2-3 combos. It's pretty boring, but I'm hoping once I get to 50-70 it'll get more interesting. Although I heard the only interesting thing about DRK pre-SB was that you actually would run out of MP so you'd have to juggle between MP gain skills/modes on and off, but now with that gone it's just 1-2-3.

I'm hoping if that's the case then they fix DRK's complexity in the next expansion and make it more interesting to play. I'm just using it as my main tank because everyone says the job quest is really good + DRK always seem to have cool looking gear.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 22, 2018, 06:20:21 PM
As healer in some pickups would rather tank not zerg through with giant pulls as it can get annoying. that said, one room at a time can drag some dungeons out. If in doubt just communicate, people will let you know. Give precedence to heals opinion tho. Actually I take that back just ask the healer. :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 24, 2018, 01:56:12 AM
Went on to do my weeklies and oi 
I don't think I've ever seen teams wipe this much on Sigma V3 and V4 normal since they came out. It was like no one knew how to play anymore ><

Luckily I at least got the V4 drop for my 4th body piece which was all I really wanted. Got the body, and it's pretty snazzy for NIN with a nice little ninja scarf. Pairs well with spectacles.

(https://i.imgur.com/L5DLNNch.jpg)

Didn't bother with V1/V2 because I think I'm over it, especially after those teams I had in V3/V4 tonight. No real point for me to do Sigma normal anymore outside V4 each week to get the prototype tomestone to get the i350 weapon for 1000 tomes.

Did the crafting/gathering weekly souveniers. Not really sure what to do with all my gold scrips at this point. Red scrips I'm still using to complete out the VI recipe books for crafters and legend books for gatherers, but gold idk. After fully decking out my GSM in i330 gear and it being pointless, kinda over doing that with other crafters/gatherers.

So I feel like maybe I'm done with crafters/gatherers until next expansion? At least gatherers, crafters I can make cool stuff, except all the mats are ridiculously priced so I'm not making them anyhow -_-

And with battle, since I have little motivation to do more runs of Byakko Ex right now, or Sigma normal, and not really feeling jumping into Shinryu without having a lot of time to dedicate, and not having a party to do A5-12 atm...pretty much no motivation for me to do anything on the battle side either besides slowing leveling my DRK.

Feels like now would be a good time to put FF14 on break until next patch when there's more stuff to do and get excited about.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 24, 2018, 10:49:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4JLayVicHw

ice sculpture with video overlay showing the battle between estinien and nidhogg
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 24, 2018, 02:02:35 PM
Yeah, that was pretty rad. I almost went to that festival this year. If I'd been there and then seen that out of nowhere I would've been pretty fucking amazed!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 24, 2018, 02:48:56 PM
bep for gold scrips just sell the item. I was doing that for a bit but got too lazy to log in an just do that. leaving millions on the table lol  :doge
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 26, 2018, 12:45:29 AM
Got up to 7 Byakko totems at this point ^^; the 10 totem grind is a lot, will be glad once I get 10 and never have to do that fight again in my life. At this point no problem with the fight, can do it in sleep, but it's just tiresome to get that many clears.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 27, 2018, 02:35:33 AM
Had a great wipe at 1% on Sigma V2N, someone did a really flashy LB and it was so flashy it covered all the ground AoE markers and everyone wiped standing in them  :lol

I do think there's some minor issues with how flashy certain stuff is. I know in Byakko Ex when he's doing the aritama red orbs if I'm behind him dodging them at melee range and someone else is melee next to me and is doing some flashy shit sometimes I can't see the red orbs which is...bad. That's the only time I've ever seen the flash be an issue so far.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on February 27, 2018, 12:48:46 PM
i turned off everything except my own shit because it got real confusing raids. well actually i turned off damn near everything in the hud and tried to make it look more like ff13 lol. it was just way to confusing on console when you have one tiny viewing area in the center of the screen and then it gets all clouded up with explosions and whatnot.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 01, 2018, 01:40:45 AM
Got my i355 Byakko weapon on 8th clear! Was totally expecting to take 10 totems. Now I got 8 totems with nothing to do with them :x

Then got my last Sigmascape piece and enough Mendacity to get an i360 ring (since you can only have 1 of the i350 sigma rings). So now every piece of equip I have is i350 + i360 legs + i360 ring + i355 weapon which somehow only brings up to i352 but I'm fine with that.

Feel like until next patch I'm good on my NIN ilvl grind. Definitely equipped enough to do Sigma Savage V1 if I want to give it a shot.


Otherwise, just doing my souvenier turn ins to get the rest of the recipe books and mining/fishing locations. Used your advice Akala and using crafting yellow scrips on mats to sell since I'm not gearing up any other crafter anytime soon. For gathering golds I'm gearing up my MIN/BOT, not because I care about the ilvl, but just to get some new outfits for them. FSH is too much of a pain in the ass to catch the collectible items needed to trade in for the gear. Just like how even though I'd like to get a gold scrip Chef outfit for my CUL, the cost of the mats to make the turn-in item for each eqp is stupid expensive and not worth it. Didn't mind the mats for GSM because it was like 2 mats I could buy for cheap HQ.

Gonna hold off on trying Shinryu Ex until I get back from vacation in a month. Feel like it's gonna take some dedication and I don't have the time. If I'm playing at all this weekend I might try to do A5S-A8S unsync, or get a clear party for Delta V2S.

I should be working on getting my DRK up, but it's so boring to play :( Grinding to 50 sucks.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 03, 2018, 06:12:15 PM
Playing some DRK, got up from like 37-42 pretty quick with a mix of some dungeons/leveling df/deep dungeon. I forgot how fun palace of the dead is. They really need to introduce something new like that again. Never beat it, so might as I level my DRK up. Getting back in the hang of tanking and it's pretty fun. It looks like the next art I get at lvl.45 ("Dark Arts") is the first thing that will really change up the job and make it more interesting to use. Still kinda a bummer that overall DRK's rep is the worst tank, PLD seems to DEF for me because I like doing damage, and my War is still like lvl.15 and I really don't want to grind it up. Mostly going with DRK because everyone says it has a good job questline and the swords/armors look cool.

Also, once I hit lvl.43 I'll finally have a reason to start doing the ARR non-crafting beast tribe quests for the xp, yay.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 03, 2018, 09:43:08 PM
What do you mean by first-tier?

Right now there is

i320 Deltascape raid gear = easy
i330 Creation tomes/Rabanaster gear = easy
i340 Deltascape Savage gear = hard
i350 Sigmascape raid gear = easy, but capped medium grind
i360 Mendacity tomes gear = grindy capped grind
i370 Sigmascape raid gear = hard, capped medium grind
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 04, 2018, 02:35:21 AM
Ran Stone Vigil as DRK with a healer that was first time in the dungeon and was new to healing. Was fun! Like it actually was a decent challenge and had to be careful with my cooldowns.

Then joined in a bunch of Zurvan Ex farm with the Era FC. Man, it's interesting to see how fights change as the ilvl goes up. I remember doing Zurvan Ex last fall at lvl.70 unsync and there were A LOT of wipes, mostly to the meteor stuff, but also to the southern cross ice and all. Now at current ilvl. fight ends before the meteor phase, so it's no longer a meteor boss. Everything else is more forgiving too. But yeah, dynamic of the fight changed a bunch and is pretty much just dodge biting halberd -> dodge southern cross -> fight over in unsync.

Since SB is my first go around at new content ilevel, it'll be interesting to see how some of these fights like Susano Ex/Byakko Ex play out in a couple years at lvl.80 unsync. Be interesting to see which phases are skipped and stuff.

Also, I'd been holding off doing the ARR beast tribe quests because didn't want to waste the xp given on my NIN that wouldn't get any, so I finally do a few with my DRK who is just the right level, and the xp payout is AWFUL. I remember in HW I did some beast tribe quests and the payout was pretty fine. Just another ARR thing I guess. Doesn't seem like it'd be worth doing the ARR beast tribes, no flying, more complex/effort quests, and xp payout sucks. Will just do the HW/SB ones. While I appreciate ARR existing as a base, everything really improved a ton from HW onwards. The ARR content is a bit rough still.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 04, 2018, 09:49:42 PM
Been reading up a decent amount on DRK and endgame Tank Meta. I definitely see what the problem is. Like stats aside, just the basic concept of the tank meta is PLD now = SUPER DEF TANK with best DEF, WAR = SUPER OFFENSIVE TANK with best DPS, so like what the hell is DRK supposed to even be? I mean conceptually a no-shield use the darkside Dark Knight should be closer to a Berserker that eats a lot of damage for high DPS, but that doesn't jive with warrior being the atk-focused dps tank.

I get that for pre-SB they were going for PLD = physical DEF tank, DRK = magical DEF tank, but considering DRK doesn't even use a shield and doesn't have party shield kinda stuff, that doesn't even make a lot of sense.

So yeah, I see the dilemma of what DRK is supposed to be. And if they add another tank into the mix next expansion, just seems like it's gonna get even messier. Basically they kinda fucked themselves by making PLD/WAR be the ultimate MT/OT so anything else is just gonna felt unnecessary. Like even if they give DRK the highest DPS of the tanks, then WAR will be pointless outside utility.

Which may be the one way to have 3 tanks. 1 DEF tank, 1 OFFENSE tank, 1 Utility tank. But by the time they would make changes to do that they'll probably have 4 tanks and lol
I bet whatever 4th tank is added is a Utility tank though and they try stick with PLD = physical DEF, DRK = magical DEF, War = ATK. The problem with physical/magical is that every tank needs to be able to clear every piece of content, so in the end it doesn't even matter if you take a little more/less physical/magical def in bursts. They can't like make a Savage stage that requires magic def shield DRK to survive a burst because then everyone who plays PLD can't beat it and vice-versa. So essentially none of it really matters /shrug
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 05, 2018, 03:45:08 AM
The Songbird event fate is pretty dumb, but the optional quest after was nice.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 06, 2018, 12:39:45 AM
Was doing leveling roulette as DRK, I was tanking like 2 groups at a time pulls which I think is ~medium pull (1 group being small, 3 groups being large). Healer kept going PULL BIGGER, so I pulled 3 groups and died in like 2 seconds when everything hit me at once for the first time.

Then everyone rage quit.

Then a new group refilled and I took it 1-2 mob groups at a time and it was fine and no one complained and we didn't die.  :idont


Not sure why people expecting pre-lvl.50 tanks without half their skills and sub-lvl.50 artifact armor to be able to pull 1/3rd the dungeon at a time and survive. But then I'm new to tanking so dunno. Anyhow, got DRK up to lvl.47 now, almost at lvl.50 content. The Dark Arts weaving between attacks is alright, it's less impressive than I expected, but mostly I wish DA versions of moves looked flashier.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 06, 2018, 12:46:08 AM
Also, I forgot how tanking like has actual pressure. Go to slow and everyone is pissed off at you, go to fast and wipe and everyone is pissed off at you. It's like you have to know the perfect balance for dungeon running. Plus if you die, everyone else dies and hates you. If you don't keep aggro DPS hates you, if you take too much damage healer hates you.

Whereas with DPS you just run and hit things and dodge AoE circles and no one ever cares about you unless it's a current-patch fight where you dying and getting weakness fucks up the dps check.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on March 06, 2018, 08:45:32 AM
even then tanks and healers will probably just roll their eyes so no real sweat off of DPS back. there is a reason for constant tank shortage.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on March 06, 2018, 11:52:11 AM
if I ever decided to play tank again, i think I'd have to make a macro that said "shoulda went with a pre-made group then" to cut off the bullshit. i hate players that don't understand that most of us don't have the whole game memorized. like you'd think at this point these overly picky players would have some party finder shorthand to find and link up with other obsessive douches and leave the rest of us alone.

that said I finally did the new raid set and the bosses were all very fun and all the players were very nice, even when some of us kept fucking up. had a great time and now I feel like playing more again.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 25, 2018, 01:24:40 AM
So how’s this Eureka thing and is new Hildebrand any good? Any chance we will actually get Hildebrand trials again?

Being away from 14 for a few weeks, kinda feeling like not coming back until the next Matsuno raid patch. Wonder if Eureka will be empty by then lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 06, 2018, 09:05:57 PM
It’s interesting how 900 hours in I’m still learning things. Like in fishing you can tell a fish by not only their pull strength but the time from cast until they bite is always constant.

So like with the Ala Mhigan Ribbon gold scrip equip turn in, if the line bites under 15 seconds after cast it’s not it so don’t pull. If it’s a big bite, it’s not it so don’t pull. But if it’s a medium tug bite that occurs between 16-21 seconds after cast it’s an Ala Mhigan Ribbon.

Pretty useful when fishing for specific fish.

But yeah after easily fully gearing out my MIN/BTN in gold scrip gear, FSH is a pain in the butt to gold scrip grind. At least I just need 6 of these Ribbons...


Also I don’t get these legendary mining books. They cost a fuckload and most have like 1-2 new items to gather and that’s it? Compared to crafting recipe books which have like 20+ new recipes x 2 books and are cheaper to get, it’s...odd. Do they add new items to gather at these legendary nodes later? I almost have all the SB books.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on April 06, 2018, 09:18:21 PM
its the one ingredient you need for some of the legendary recipes. SCAM
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 06, 2018, 09:57:37 PM
But like, I MB checked all the items from the book gathering nodes and none of them are worth particularly much? Maybe like 1-2k each? Just seems kinda unimpressive. I guess it'll be useful whenever I want to craft some of the fancy stuff myself.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 07, 2018, 12:12:45 PM
Caught 5/6 Ala Mhigan Ribbons above 41 collectible. Just need 1 more and I can get a full i330 set for my fisher to go along with min/bot in the coming weeks as I get gold scrips from weekly souvenir runs. I keep fishing each morning for a bit trying to catch these fuckers. Got one that was 29 collect on my last run of the morning :(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 08, 2018, 10:40:47 PM
Got my last fish this morning. Time to get my fishing cosplay on  ;)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on April 11, 2018, 03:21:42 PM
Missed this one   :lol

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=drq5ER6MHAM
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 12, 2018, 11:45:42 AM
I'm kinda glad there isn't an app to check retainers/mb and send retainers back out. Would waste too much time in life on it.

I was out and about doing a MIN job quest in the ruby sea when my first legendary node lit! I flew across the map and got off my mount and walked to activate it and it disappeared  :lol
But it motivated me to check the time clocks for legendary mining nodes in Othard and I went around and hit the 4am/6am/8am trio. Was fun and got a bunch of mats that aren't worth too much, but it's still some gil.
Took the palladium ore I got (which was worth the least) and crafted it into a palladium ingot and sold that.

In the end, none of this stuff is worth the time/effort gil-wise since only the high high high end stuff where you need to be perfect i330 gatherer/crafter with melds to do sells for millions. But it's kinda fun just to make stuff here and there. I still make most of my gil just off re-selling vendor mats. It's not a ton of gil but it adds up over time. Almost back to 30 million gil reserve.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on April 12, 2018, 09:31:54 PM
yeah gathering is a bust but garlondtools is life  :preach
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 12, 2018, 10:21:38 PM
Just googled garlondtools.

Woah, pretty nice.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: tiesto on April 12, 2018, 11:01:05 PM
I keep hearing good things about the story and how this game is the best FF in years but I don't really like MMOs, I don't like partying up with people, and I'm not a fan of lots of super grindy fetch quests or long grinds where it takes forever to level up (my main experience with MMOs is watching dorm-mates flunk out of school for playing too much Everquest in the early 2000's, or watch my brother just walking around in FFXI).

Could you play the story without needing to do all that typical MMO shit like join a clan or go on guild raids?
If so, how long is the story? And is it very grindy?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 12, 2018, 11:37:42 PM
I keep hearing good things about the story and how this game is the best FF in years but I don't really like MMOs, I don't like partying up with people, and I'm not a fan of lots of super grindy fetch quests or long grinds where it takes forever to level up (my main experience with MMOs is watching dorm-mates flunk out of school for playing too much Everquest in the early 2000's, or watch my brother just walking around in FFXI).

Could you play the story without needing to do all that typical MMO shit like join a clan or go on guild raids?
If so, how long is the story? And is it very grindy?

yooooo, this is me.

Here's the dealio. ARR fucking sucks. That is lvl.1-50, originally story. The story sucks so much in the expansions they're slowly writing out all the original ARR characters from the story so it's like ARR never existed! The maps aren't that great (no flying makes certain things tedious af), and difficulty-wise everything is a joke. Otoh, Heavensward, the first expansion, is a really good 50-80 hour rpg. The main story is good, the areas have the best atmosphere ever, the gear is cool looking, combat is opened up enough at 50+ to be fun for most jobs (50-70 has really just been a slight added complexity for a lot of jobs, lvl.45/50 is when the key parts of the job open up), the boss fights, especially in Extreme mode are cool stuff.

Stormblood, the second expansion, is a good 50-80 hour rpg as well. The new bosses are great, areas are a bit of a step down from HW imo, but it's an enjoyable rpg and the end game is good. Especially the SB raid tier is super fun FF fanservice.

Honestly, if I could rewind time and jump in again I'd do it A LOT differently and more efficient. Here is what I would do:

1. Buy a jump potion to skip to HW and lvl.50 character. At this point you can also unlock lvl.50 Samurai/Red Mage in addition to your jump potion job. Those are both DPS jobs and unfortunately in FF14 there are only 3 real jobs Tank/Healer/DPS and all the jobs within those 3 groups play different but for balance reasons all play kinda the same and do the same damage/usefulness. Just saying that in case you're interested in being a tank or healer you can job potion up a tank or healer and then also have 2 DPS jobs at lvl.50 to pick from. Otherwise the Dark Knight Tank and Astrologian Healer job start at lvl.30 and lvl.30-lvl.50 is a grind. It's only about a 15-20 hour grind, but it's still a grind. Otoh, it gives you a chance to grind out lvl.1-50 dungeons which you skipped so maybe it's less bad in that case.

2. Ok, now you're at HW. First learn how to play. Ok, you have that down? Now play HW's story but also go back and play the 24-man raid from ARR, The Crystal Tower. It's about a 4-8 hour mini-rpg and it's great (although too easy now). You should also play the 8-man raid from ARR about Bahamut but don't do it now because even unsync (which means overleveled characters doing low level content with no limitations) some of the maps have complex wipe mechanics and you should get used to the game first.

3. Btw, don't touch the crafting/gathering jobs. They're nothing but a trap.

4. But go check out the Golden Saucer because it's fun.

5. Keep playing HW, enjoy the story and the bosses. After you beat it, do the 8-man raid normal mode ALEXANDER, have fun. Do the 24-man raid Void Ark, be kinda bored until the 3rd part which is cool.

6. Alright, now you are lvl.60 and doing post-HW content. Keep going. Try out some Ex bosses and work your way through the boss trials from ARR you skipped (hard/extreme modes). When you've got the hang of the game, jump in and do Coil of Bahamut. Enjoy the story, boss fights and music.

7. Ok, now you're pretty much caught up with ARR/HW (well do the ARR dungeons whenever you feel like it; might be a good way to level up a 2nd character while doing so), jump into SB and enjoy the game.

8. Get to endgame and do the Deltascape 8-man raid, the Sigmascape 8-man raid, the first part of the Matsuno 24-man raid (part 2 soon). Do the Ex bosses from SB and enjoy current level challenge fights. Try some Savage Raids at current level and see if you enjoy it.

9. Now you're pretty much good. Make sure you did Hildebrand in ARR. Otherwise, come back later on in patches for new content or summer 2019 for next expansion.

Overall time for the above? Probably about 200-300 hours of content there. But a huge amount of dungeons, bosses and lots of story! I didn't know all this so instead I'm 905 hours in and most of it was a waste! (mostly just the 400 or something hours crafting/gathering and 100+ on ARR).


And no, you don't have to join a guild, everything is auto-matching or you use party finder from Ex/Raid old content. Still, you should probably join the #Era guild (on Ultros server) just because it's nice having dozens of people online at any time if you ever need anything.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 15, 2018, 12:20:07 PM
Had a good morning run. Got my last mount speed map \o/, no more running around doing ARR non-flying hunts. At least for a year or so until next expansion increases mount speed even further. Ran some non-dungeon DRs for fun. Got Shinryuu in the trial DR and now that time has passed I really like that fight. The final bosses for each of the main storylines are fun since they're almost easy Ex bosses in their complexity.

Forgot how good the Shinryuu second half music was. Feeling kinda pumped to finally knock Shinryuu Ex off my list. Have a pretty busy work/social life atm so haven't had any free days/nights to play more than 30-60 minutes for a while. Once I do though gonna spend a night working on Shinryuu Ex. If I can get that and the rest of Alexander Savage done before 4.4 comes out that'd be nice.

Also, I haven't even touched the 2.25 content yet. Hildebrand I figure I can do whenever, but I should probably unlock Eureka since it's probably dead by now/soon. Since I was out of town when it came out I sorta felt like I missed the boat on it and haven't been motivated to unlock it yet.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 17, 2018, 01:56:15 AM
Decided to run DR with my lvl.47 DRK, got lvl.47 Aurum Vale. Entire party outside one DPS was new (I count myself as new since I did AV like once a year ago as DPS and don't remember a thing). That dungeon is rough. We died a lot on people aggro-ing too many mobs, or messing up on the first boss with the stacks/poison/geysers, or getting AoE 1000-ton swiped on the 2nd boss. I'm glad and really surprised that everyone stuck around and no one raged at the other players even when people were fucking up (like running through the area before boss 3 aggro-ing every scorpion and then running into the boss room so now there are scorpions everywhere on the path).

When we beat it was pretty feel good. Got me from 47->49. Next time I run DR I'll finally hit 50, equip my i120 ironworks gear and start trying out tanking 24-man/8-man raids/Ex bosses. Should be a fun diversion.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 19, 2018, 02:42:21 PM
New patch in a few days? I guess I'll do the story msq and run the new raid once or twice. I still haven't bothered unlocking Eureka.

I'm kinda on hiatus lately. Just been doing my weekly souvenir turn-ins for gathering each weekend and selling some MB stuff. Next week I should have the last of the gatherer legendary books (have all the SB ones, 2 left in HW) and crafting recipe books. Probably will stop doing the weekly scrip souvenir run after that even if there's some decent money in selling script stuff. Not sure if it's worth the 45 mins each week.

Still need to sit down and work on clearing out some of the battle stuff like Shinryuu Ex. Just been busy and no time to dedicate a full day or two for learning it with a party and beating it.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 31, 2018, 02:18:05 AM
Anyone playing the new patch? I’ve had a bad flu, so don’t feel up to multiplayer gaming so I haven’t tried the new raid yet. Wonder how it is, same with the new Ex trial.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on May 31, 2018, 04:29:24 AM
I play but I’m still on the leveling part so haven’t started raiding yet. It just seems so intimidating.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on May 31, 2018, 06:31:39 AM
raids are no different than anything else imo unless you're doing savage shit

ive only done the story on the new patch because i needed to level all my super-old gear. hopefully should be able to start the rest this weekend.


oh also i gotta say having a roulette that does the 8-man raids is fucking awesome. ive only been able to do some of those fights once or twice so it'll be great getting to play them again with inexperienced people. its a long overdue addition imo.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on May 31, 2018, 09:46:46 AM
I think I am still subbed ( :doge ) so may log in at some point this weekend.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on June 04, 2018, 09:59:17 AM
raids are no different than anything else imo unless you're doing savage shit

ive only done the story on the new patch because i needed to level all my super-old gear. hopefully should be able to start the rest this weekend.


oh also i gotta say having a roulette that does the 8-man raids is fucking awesome. ive only been able to do some of those fights once or twice so it'll be great getting to play them again with inexperienced people. its a long overdue addition imo.

70 (PLD) now, which is why I find it extra intimidating. But I do prefer tanking over DPS (especially over healing) in this game so it’s my own problem I guess. It’s nice with instant queue too, even when I’m on a US server during off-time. How badly will it go for me, starting with shitty ilvl 270 gear? I don’t know where to begin for 70 gear, and it seems like I’d have to do shittons of dungeons to even get a chance for winning an item. Aren’t there any L70 friendly ways to get “first 70” gear? Like the hallf of novice or some shit.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 04, 2018, 12:50:48 PM
Glow weapon from POTD. Honestly you’ll gear up quick running the most recent dungeons as tank. Don’t stress, you’ll gear up quick.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 06, 2018, 01:28:17 AM
Finally tried unlocking the new raid. lol at the red Chocobo bit. I died a couple times and bailed. Will try again another day.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Valkyrie on June 06, 2018, 01:59:29 AM
The red chocobos are fucking cursed.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on June 06, 2018, 07:26:39 AM
yeah wtf @ their aoe being some kind of supernuke. i had to get help from a random player to finish the damn thing.

i will say it was pretty fun on release day tho when there were like 60 of the damn things spawned at all times bc everyone was doing the quest at once.

Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 06, 2018, 06:42:19 PM
The hardest part is the .5 second cast for the AoE. I'm currently playing on a laggy computer for a bit and I kept getting screwed by how fast the AoE went off and I wouldn't escape it in time ><
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 30, 2018, 11:44:06 PM
Finally tried the new alliance raid. Group voted abandon after an hour+ in after multiple wipes on the 3rd boss. Yay.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 01, 2018, 10:26:49 PM
Tried again today and cleared it with this group but took us over 90 minutes. We might've had one wipe on the first boss, don't remember, probably not. But we had 2 wipes on the 2nd, 2 wipes on the 3rd and only one after a looong fight thanks to no enrage timer (if boss #3 Construct 7 had an enrage timer, would be pretty impossible with pugs), and 2 wipes on the 4th boss which isn't too bad but still a challenge.

It's a good raid, I like that there's no push over bosses like boss #3/boss #4 in the first raid set. Every boss can stump you and even if you don't wipe on the first boss there's a lot to keep track of and it's easy to die individually. Looking forward to running it a few more times for gear, though hopefully I'll get lucky and get with some groups where we clear faster than 90 mins...

Guess doing this also is motivating me to catch up and do the 3.3 MSQ, unlock 3.25 Eureka, do the 3.3 dungeon, unlock the 3.3 crafting tribes and do the 3.25 Hildebrand. 3.35 comes out tomorrow night and I'm so behind I don't even know what it's adding.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 02, 2018, 06:30:06 PM
Unlocked Eureka and messed around in it for 15 mins. Then read a few guides to get what its about.

On one hand it's kinda cool to have a new area to map out with new music and more community to interact with on the big Notorious Monsters. Since I enjoying doing Hunts in the main game, it's like more active hunts with even more people. The elemental strengths/weaknesses seems potentially interesting, but a bit simplified. When they said there was gonna be a GRID I was thinking like an FFXII license board or at least FFX style, but nah this is so simple.

On the other hand, there's jack shit to do in the area besides punch on monsters from lvl.1-5 or something over 1-2 hours of mindless grinding, then join NM trains and grind for more hours to 20 and grind out relics and relic armor. Both which are close to outdated by current patch equipment in stats (armor equal to tome i360, 24man i360 gear; weapons equal to Byakko Ex). Also the map is gated in a very specific way where it's like you can fight enemies in the first 50 feet at lvl.1, then first 100 feet from base at lvl.2, then first 150 feet from base at lvl.3, so it's not even like Xenoblade or FFXII where you can run around. Basically you just very slowly grind and get a little further out for the first 5 levels or so. Also outside the NM train, after a couple months of being out it's totally dead so good luck finding a party for 1-5 or 1-10.

If there was more solo stuff to do in the early levels, like quests to do, things to discover, idk something to mix it up it'd be a lot better. But it's obviously not aimed at solo, even for early levels. So idk. And then tomorrow Deep Dungeon 2.0 comes out Heaven and you need to have beaten DD 1.0 1-50 which I've never done (only done through like 30). So will try to finish DD 1-50 and unlock High on Heaven. But then yeah, splitting my time between Eureka leveling, High and Heaven leveling, and main game Ex/Savage stuff I still gotta clear...too much stuff lol. Also feels like the remaining player base which is smaller right now will be split three ways with this stuff and Eureka is probably gonna be totally abandoned tomorrow until the next addition to it for the relic.

Feels like it would've been smarter to release one of these 2 mini-game worlds with Eureka & High on Heaven at 4.1 for post-game stuff and then the next one at like 4.3/4.4 so they are spaced out.

Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 02, 2018, 08:40:31 PM
Yay, did Deep Dungeon floor 21-50 with my DRK which brought it from 49-50 and almost to 51. Now just gotta do the lvl.50 DRK job quest! But now I can unlock the new deep dungeon tomorrow, yay.

What's the point of doing floors 50-200 in Deep Dungeon?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 03, 2018, 01:12:27 AM
Played for the last 2 hours before maintenance and had a good pretty good session! Cleared the new dungeon Swallows Compass which was pretty nice looking and fun bosses, then struggled a bit on the solo boss after but eventually beat him (boy do I not like playing non-tank/non-healing jobs in solo instance boss fights). Then did Dark Knight job quest lvl.50 which was cool and got AF1 and started working on my DRK glamor. Also did the transition quest and now I just gotta hit lvl.52 to start the next set of job quests.

Then for the last 30 mins I tried jumping back into Eureka and giving it another shot. I was grinding SO FUCKING SLOW solo and I would DIE ON A SINGLE LVL.1 MOB GOING IN AT FULL HP, but I ran into another player who was lvl.1 and RDM so I invited them and even though the xp gain dropped in half (because solo has a bonus), we were blowing through lvl.1 enemies in 20 seconds or so each, and got a #20 chain going, then hit lvl.2 and continued on lvl.2 enemies and then got the challenge log XP which boosted to lvl.3 and then fought lvl.3 enemies and got about halfway to lvl.4 before maintenance started. Was sorta fun and said my thanks to my grinding partner, but it was also nothing but 25 mins of grinding lvl.1, lvl.2 and lvl.3 enemies one after another and that's kind of fucking laaaaame. I figure when I hit lvl.5 I'll join the grind trains with full 8 people parties and that should help speed up leveling further. I guessssss I'll get to lvl.20 just out of stubborness, and maybe get the anime weapon if it's not a huge grind after that. Mostly just so I'm prepped and ready to enter Eureka area 2 when it drops in a few weeks and requires lvl.20 to even get in. I'm too much of a content tourist and want to run around and check out the map.

But yeah, I don't see myself doing more than like 30 mins to 1 hour of Eureka grinding a session because it's just too much brain dead. At least I can log on and do other content I need to get to and then just throw in 30-60 mins of Eureka grinding at the end if I've got time.

At this point I really need to tackle the 3.3 MSQ since a new trial and the CRAFTING TRIBE is locked behind it and those are the next two things I wanna get on, so yeah, tomorrow I'll unlock High on Heaven and try it out and then probably get started on the 3.3 MSQ.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 04, 2018, 01:14:28 AM
So...High on Heaven, the new Deep Dungeon Palace of the Dead.

(https://i.imgur.com/7JLxVWP.jpg)

Has that good ole' day 1 FF14 thing where it can spawn new instances so no one can get it again. Raban-gate all over again. lol MMOs day 1 are hilarious.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 06, 2018, 10:16:44 PM
Got into High on Heaven, seems pretty boring. For whatever reason people aren't speedrunning it like Palace so it feels a lot slower. I guess there's some need loot drops, but will just do the 30 floors for the story and get out. I guess it'll be useful for bringing 2ndary characters from lvl.60-70 xp-wise.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 07, 2018, 04:01:08 PM
Idk if PoTD is like this too, but HoH with 4 DPS can be kinda brutal. Just did 11-20 that way and took a while with a lot of character deaths.

Also can we talk about how bullshit the 24man raid upgrades are? So for pt.1 every week you run it you get hopefully an equip drop + an item to upgrade a tome gear. Sounds good.

But for raid 2, the gear upgrade now requires an item from both Ridona & an item from Rabnastre. Like fuck that I’m not going to spend 60 mins going on though Rabnastre again just for an i10 upgrade item. Doesn’t make sense why gear should need more than the Ridona item for i360->i370 tome upgrade. Will just do my weekly Ridona run and get an i360 set and that’ll hold me until the next normal 8 man raid tier in 4.4.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 07, 2018, 04:09:43 PM
But yeah doing Ridona again this week, it’s a much better raid than Rabnastre in everything except the visuals and junk mobs between bosses. The lighthouse is kinda boring without much variety and the in-between mob fights are zzz, but all 4 bosses are legit good and keep you paying attention. The main reason I don’t like replaying Rabnastre is the last boss is such a snore. Even chariot dude is pretty dull and ice summon as well. Hashmel is the only exciting fight in that raid.

Looking forward to the bosses in the final part of the raid! Hoping for the light/dark summons, but I bet we get cuchulainn because it’s iconic looking.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 09, 2018, 02:36:03 AM
Finished the 3.3 MSQ. That was pretty good. Time to move into new expansion intro!
Also unlocked the Namazu Beast Tribe and it's lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 09, 2018, 02:59:33 PM
Btw, almost done with Botanist quests (last gathering job quests need to catch up on) 1-50 ARR set. These suuuuuck. I can't wait to have all job quests done through lvl.50 for every class because man ARR quest design is so dated. As much as it was fun as my first MMO getting to lvl.50, they've really improved almost everything from HW onward and any relic stuff from ARR tends to be pretty pain in the butt.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 09, 2018, 11:21:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Hz5iz7W.jpg)

Pretty much the Namazu in a nutshell. So in other words, they're awesome!
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2018, 04:59:41 AM
Don't mind me, just still enjoying the best beast tribe that is Namazu

(https://i.imgur.com/QWlYe7C.jpg)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 16, 2018, 02:45:50 AM
Finished the Botany questline through SB and wooooooooow was the lvl.60-70 SB questline awful. LET'S PLANT SOME STUFF! And that's like...it. Compared to the Goblin tank builders on Miner and even the Fisher stuff which wasn't great but still better, Botanist was zzzzzzz. HW botanist was pretty dull too until the last mission where the church is like FARMER, YOU MUST TRIAL BY COMBAT FOR GROWING CROPS WITH FILTHY FOREIGNERS! And you have to prove him innocent and own the church in the process.

At least now the gathering job quests are all done until next exp. Just need to get the rest of the crafter job questlines taken care of. Only did GSM so far...that's a lot left to do and those 1-50 ARR job quests are ;_;

At least with the Namazu having fun driving my Mikoshi mount around going wasshoi! wasshoi!

(https://i.imgur.com/mU6ks4k.jpg)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 16, 2018, 06:13:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUCn-P0ePa0

Rathalos mount :o
Bet drop rate is like 1/999 in Rathalos Ex :(
Also you know the leap into the air fire blast everyone is gonna be the DPS check phase change flashy bit haha

At least it's not a timed event. Will be around for the life of FF14 which is cool. Makes sense though, otherwise they wouldn't put the budget into a full on trial (and assuming Ex trial).
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 08, 2018, 04:19:57 AM
/Dustball rolls by

So...anyone still play FF14 here? Rathalos Trial came out yesterday. Didn't have time to play it yesterday and just unlocked it tonight but no time to try the fight. Hopefully will do the normal fight tomorrow. Enjoying the MH nods so far.

Also Eureka 2nd map is out, but got to have cleared the first one to get there.


I think my goal is to clear Shinryu/Tsukiyome/Rathalos EX and Eureka 1st map before 4.4 comes out and I'm back to weekly normal raiding for gear.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on August 08, 2018, 06:39:33 AM
Haven’t played in months. Should probably pop on and catch up MSQ and see if company even together anymore.I think I am still subbed.  :lol

Will have to see all I missed, think it is only one patch. They kinda need to up the patch frequency or have smaller xpacs.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 09, 2018, 03:24:10 AM
Having a nasty run on Ridorna. Really laggy and everyone keeps dying from dumb stuff. Construct 7 is taking foreeeeeveer like he always does when people die and lose the damage buff+2.

Only did this because wanted to see if I can get the NIN body armor drop to complete my FFT NIN set. No drop so far, 2 chests left  :'(

Did Rathalos normal, was kinda zzz, Ex seems interesting in that it’s 4man.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 09, 2018, 04:07:20 AM
Yeah, that was rough. Never dealt with lag like that before. Was fighting Yzmat and everyone just froze up and then suddenly a few seconds later everything moved in FF and I was dead on the ground ;_; Raids are not good with lag. Didn't get any drops either zzz I think I'm done with Ridorna at this point. Not worth running the 45-70 min stage over and over until I get my glamor body piece. Also somebody stuck a + sign marker on my head the entire stage which was kinda annoying!

Was weird too because once I was out of the raid my connection seemed fine? I did Rathalos Normal again and it was smooth.

Also because of the lag in Ridorna, got killed and then revived during Computation Mode with full 40,000+ HP. I was like "uhhhh, do I have to do math in the 40,000s??" but nope you just don't participate at all which means you don't get the 2x damage multiplier which means you're fucked :|

(https://i.imgur.com/kRgCb1a.jpg)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on August 09, 2018, 09:25:07 AM
I logged in and FC seems to be in life support mode. Also see then new craft/gather gear is out, at least it looks better than the trash set that came in when I got bored. it's like half the price as well, but I am thinking I may as well just wait till new patch/xpac. Had 31MM gils left which I guess is decent? For some reason I remembered having more :snob

I probably won't be playing this much if at all next few months but who knows, and it's only $10/month so  :yeshrug

Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 20, 2018, 02:15:26 AM
The seasonal moonfaire reward outfit is pretty nice, at least for guys. Will be useful pieces for mixing and matching outfits.

(https://i.imgur.com/xJqQdS1l.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/oigiPZMl.jpg)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on August 20, 2018, 08:55:24 PM
endless irl bs and an attempt to play thru some older games means I've only had time to log in and play thru whenever they add new content, but lately I've been able to get on a little more. working on crafting more simple shit for my house til i work my way to the advanced stuff. also wanna do the beast tribes bc there's a lot of those i haven't finished, and work on all the extreme bosses post 3.3. I'd like to learn eureka too, but I'll prolly never get to the end of the rougelike dungeons.

also the Stormblood soundtrack finally came out and good lord is it amazing. it's enjoyable to listen to in game ofc but having it all in one collection is just too good. might be the best ffxiv album yet.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 21, 2018, 01:39:39 AM
Eureka sucks. I’m a content tourist but I’ve resigned myself to never touching the relic shit because all it is, is mindless zzz grinding for grinding sake for some colored weapon glamor.

I was reading about Eureka Pagos and people reaaaaaally hate it. Sounds like the community basically feels it’s the worst piece of content since 1.x.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on August 21, 2018, 12:23:02 PM
from what i understand, eureka was designed to appeal to ffxi players aka fucking lunatics, but i haven't even heard any of them playing it. I'm going I'll be able to explore the map and see the story without a months long grind, but i dunno.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 10, 2018, 02:31:58 PM
Just kinda curious if anyone's played 4.4? It came out while I was on vacation and when I got back Sen/Cold Steel IV was out and I was thick into Monster Hunter GU so I haven't touched it. Probably won't get to it until 4.5 since I'm not gonna be done with 100+ hour Sen IV for a couple months.

I did see Pre-orders were up for Eorza Encylopedia 2.0 for late November and pre-ordered one. Dunno how much new content there will be to justify a 2nd book already (just the SB stuff, right?) but oh well, will check it out.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2018, 12:40:43 PM
I would assume expansion since it comes out next summer.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on November 16, 2018, 02:28:58 PM
Damn it now I am looking. Looks like fan fest is back in Vegas, it was fun wandering into that unexpectedly a few years ago.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2018, 02:53:17 PM
Blue Mage class sounds kinda whack to me. Can't use it in any HW/SB/Shadowbringers content for now. zZzz.

Also Shadowbringers is a crappy name for the new expansion lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on November 16, 2018, 02:54:55 PM
I mean STORMBLOOD wasn’t best either.  :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2018, 03:00:05 PM
Fair enough. Maybe this expansion will be based around Dark Knights?

Anyhow I think releasing DPS job Blue Mage in 4.5 and upgrading it through 5.0 makes sense...if the 2 main new jobs available at 5.0 are tank/healer. This way there's a DPS-carrot throughout the expansion for DPS players. Very curious what the tank job will be. Was talking to duckroll some months ago and given where this expansion should take place he was thinking a Magitek Knight.

I still need to play 4.4 MSQ so I can get a better feel of where the story is going. At this point since I'm playing other stuff right now I'm just gonna wait until 4.5 comes out and do all the 4.4/4.5 content at the same time over a few weeks/month.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on November 16, 2018, 03:37:49 PM
I think I have same plan, will check out next year and catch up.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on November 16, 2018, 04:20:45 PM
MAXIMUM HYPE FUUUUUUUUU

sounds like good stuff so far, especially the bit where i can transfer works for free bc im sick of Hyperion. i have a lot of catching up to do tho; haven't even done anything from 4.4 besides msq.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on November 28, 2018, 05:11:44 PM
doesn't 2 just add SB stuff? I got the first one and eh.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on November 28, 2018, 05:50:44 PM
The first one's pretty cool. If the 2nd one is all the stuff in the first one + new stuff I would think it would make the first one pointless now?
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on November 28, 2018, 06:07:48 PM
Oh, so I cancelled my account for the first time since I started in Nov 2016. Just haven't touched this in a couple months with all the other new game releases. Have 30 days left on my sub and will probably log in once to do the christmas event but probably won't do any content until I re-sub a month or two before the new expansion and catch up. Just felt like I was throwing money down the drain staying subbed if I'm not really playing it regularly.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on November 28, 2018, 11:10:27 PM
I know that feel 😅
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 12, 2018, 02:11:33 PM
Whoops, realized if I unsub I'll lose my housing since you have to check in every 30 days.
Built up my house to much at this point, they got me by the balls. Guess I'm still subbing.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: MMaRsu on December 13, 2018, 10:09:35 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 16, 2019, 01:32:45 PM
So if you've ever wondered what happens if you accepted a limited time quest and the time runs out before you complete it....

I realized last night I hadn't done the new years event, turns out it expired yesterday morning. So I ran around looking for the npc I was supposed to talk to since the quest (which I'd grabbed earlier) was still active and he was gone ;_; had to abandon the quest since it was active but not completeable.

First event I've missed since I subbed. Oh well.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 16, 2019, 05:53:20 PM
shit, i didn't finish that one either. there was no one else around to help with the damn fate. oh well, heavensturn always has crappy rewards anyways.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on January 17, 2019, 06:04:55 PM
only just started it yet and im not even geared up enough to do the 4.4 raids so it'll be a while before i get to it all sorry
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 02, 2019, 12:03:58 AM
Did the Valentines event right away since I missed the NY one. Valentines was ok, same as last years. Kinda boring when they don't mix it up.

Also since the maze requires teamwork you run into some funny situations. First time I did it my teammate didn't wait for me at all and wouldn't cooperate in the card choosing so we got like the worst rating ever. Second time the person was much better (was a guy, so guy x guy run  :-* ) and we got the best rating ever.

Looking forward to getting back to this in a month or so once I finish up some games. Fan Fest is coming soon which should be pretty hype for the expansion! Depending on where I am in life, I will probably play this a lot for 2-3 months in the summer when the expansion comes out.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 02, 2019, 02:56:14 PM
hahaha, next FF14 Expansion 24-man raid is NIER AUTOMATA by Yoko Taro

(https://i.imgur.com/vYnA4z0h.jpg)

SE doing good with FF14 fan service choices. Now get Takahashi to guest write/direct a Xenogears raid for the last expansion.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 02, 2019, 03:22:24 PM
Holy shit
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 06, 2019, 02:58:29 AM
Been getting back to this and starting the catch up. Also remembering how things work like Souvenier trade ins and scrips. I see that there's i350 crafting/gathering gear but unlike the i300 stuff where each class had their own outfit, at i350 they all share the same outfit? Lame.

Mount speed upgrade for Stormblood areas is cool though. Figured would have to wait until Shadowbringers for that.

Did the first fight of the last Omega raid set. Was neat! Gonna try to finish up the raid later this week and do the last Matsuno 24-man raid.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: PsychoBee on March 06, 2019, 06:41:39 PM
recently started over as well, never got very far when I first played it, maybe lvl 35 or so, after they relaunched ARR

a lot has changed, but the nier stuff and them adding viera was what finally pushed me over the edge and got me to get back in
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 06, 2019, 09:17:00 PM
ARR main story sucks, Coil of Bahamut is solid but broken mess at this point, 24man Crystal Tower is still pretty cool just too easy.
Heavensward is great and lives up to the hype. Alexander is good and the Void Ark 24man is solid.
Stormblood's main story is ok, some good moments and fields, but it's Omega raid and 24man Matsuno raid are awesome.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 08, 2019, 03:32:11 PM
Trying to remember how to gear up is hard after being away for a bunch of months!

Saving all the Extreme/Savage bosses to work on in June before the expansion hits, so for now just trying to get all the normal versions + msq + sidestuff done and finish getting my crafters to lvl.70 (5 are at lvl.68 now) so I can go into the expansion with my main NIN all geared up at lvl.70 (~i385 probably) and all my crafters/gatherers at lvl.70 so I can gather/craft in the new expansion right away.

Looks like I should just be able to run the last part of Omega raid a bunch of times (no weekly limit now) for a full set of i380 gear minus the weapon.
Then run last Matsuno raid a few times for upgrade pieces
Then use 1000 tomes of latest + 8 clears of last Omega raid for i380 weapon and use the upgrade item from Matsuno raid to upgrade it to i390 and then I'm good for gearing out my NIN.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on March 09, 2019, 12:18:02 PM
For some reason I get super rusty super easily in MMO's and when coming back it takes a bit to not suck.  :'(
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 09, 2019, 12:22:51 PM
Oh totally, my DPS is shit and I died a bunch in Alphascape 1.0/2.0 normal which is all I've done of the raid so far. I'm definitely not hitting optimal rotations at this point for my NIN.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 09, 2019, 02:35:02 PM
Ran Alpha 2.0 a few times to get the fight down this morning for fun and future runs. It's a really good fight. Feels like an extreme primal that's less punishing. Especially because most of the moves don't have any indicators so you have to watch for stuff and know where attacks will spawn from their name.

On my 2nd run was doing good and getting a no death run until the last stack marker when no one decides to stack because hey the boss is down to like <10% let's just kill him and I'm the only one stacking with the target and we both instant die. Then everyone else dies because of stuff and we're left at 1% with only tanks alive. Luckily they still made the clear, but damn that was close haha.

When I get some time I'm gonna run 1.0 a few times to get that fight down. I mean it's a lot easier and I passed it the first time just following everyone else, but would be nice to have the mechanics down. Then will head to 3.0 & 4.0.

(https://i.imgur.com/nCRmvoih.jpg)
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 09, 2019, 10:32:39 PM
Hmmm, when going for a 8man raid gear set I'm not sure whether being lttp a patch where the weekly unlock limit is removed is better or worse. At first I thought hey, better because can keep redoing it until you get your drops.

Then I saw that you can get multiple drops in one chest. So if all 8 players are hanging around and betting on all 3-4 items you've got to beat all their rolls instead of a few of them being eliminated when they get their roll item. Statistics probably aren't much worse but for some reason I'm going through a lot more runs where I got no item at all when I roll need on all 4. I probably get a drop like every 3 runs on a raid now.

Anyhow, have Alphascape 1.0/2.0 normal fights down now. Going to head to 3.0/4.0.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 09, 2019, 11:45:34 PM
lol, 1.5 years of playing Stormblood, probably 400+ hours and I never got the damn fox fate until an hour ago  :lol
Got enough of the stone drops to get all 3 items so at least I'm good on that.

Still don't have enough Ixion pieces for the mount..., ran into it like twice or maybe 3 times total.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 12, 2019, 12:39:55 AM
Finished the Omega raid. Was good! The 3rd fight was a good challenge and I need to watch the vid to see how to avoid the double laser AoEs that are too quick to dodge. The final fight was fun but seemed....really easy compared to the first 3? Especially compared to the final bosses on Deltascape and Sigmascape. Didn't seem to have many death-dealing mechanics. Was just a long fight.

And once again I got zero drops from the treasure rolls. I dunno if I'll be able to get a complete set of Alphascape i380 gear on my NIN feels like it'll be a long ass grind of redoing these fights which are all pretty lengthy over and over.

Anyhow Omega raid was pretty great. Definitely better than Coil/Alexander for me. I wish we got Sephiroth and Angel Sephiroth but I'm guessing they're gonna hold Sephiroth back for another expansion or two as one of the last big nostalgia pulls. I'm more than happy with all the cameo fights we got as is in Omega raid. They were good fights too, a lot of interesting mechanics.

I was i361 and last Matsuno raid which I'm gonna do next is i365 so I took a look at the market board and damnnnnnnnnnnn gear prices have crasheeeed. I remember once a long time ago buying NIN daggers for like 2 million, now you can pick up the HQ i380 daggers for 235,000 and gear for like 135,000 a piece lol. I said fuck it and bought the HQ i380 weapon and HQ i380 waistband since it's invisible and won't fuck up my outfit. Brought me to i367, so now I should have enough gear to get caught up and will gear up after. Next up, Matsuno raid and then the 4.4/4.5 primals and then the 4.4/4.5 MSQ.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 12, 2019, 03:52:07 PM
So last night I woke up with insomnia in the middle of the night and was youtubing and ended up down the rabbit hole of current FF14! I started watching the guides for Omega V3/V4 and then Savage for V3S/V4S/FinalS which led me to googling around for what are the hardest fights in mmos because the Hello, World stuff in Final Omega looked like yeah I ain't never gonna do this. And then I got reading on Absolute Virtue in FFXI and how broken/bullshit it was and then google picked up a hit about Absolute Virtue in FF14 which got me to the endgame Eureka and Balderson Arsenol with Absolute Virtue and Proto Omega and 54 person Savage fights.

...that was interesting. I haven't touched Eureka since the first part because it was a boring as shit grind for no reason other than grind and if you want relics and I don't care about relics. It's interesting though that if you finally get to the very, very end of Eureka you get this cool crazy dungeon with some FF11 mechanics. Honestly even if I got there doing a dungeon where you basically can't make make mistakes and miss mechanics and having to level down and spend 20 mins leveling back up each time would be too much for me and I'd never do it. Also trying to find 55 other competent players to do near-perfect savage content bosses sounds absolutely miserable lol

But it was cool to watch other people do it and read about how it works. I'm honestly surprised people figured out how to beat Absolute Virtue in like 3 days or less when it came out considering you have to have a party on the outside of the dungeon kill a NM to depower the boss which isn't something you'd think of being in a dungeon. The hidden rooms before it are more understable to find them.

Too bad Eureka is boring af. Like the FF11 throwbacks are neat, but it's just such a dull grind. If they keep it going in Shadowbringers I hope they really change up the mechanics to make it less of a time sink and more fun.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 12, 2019, 03:57:46 PM
The final stage of an mmo player, when reading/watching about the game is more fun then playing
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on March 12, 2019, 09:48:41 PM
FFXI players are insane.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 12, 2019, 10:15:41 PM
The final stage of an mmo player, when reading/watching about the game is more fun then playing

 :lol

Pretty much.

FFXI players are insane.

Yeah, I don't see how MMO's that didn't respect your time were/are any fun other than being interactive chat rooms where you hang with your friends. Like outside a few things 14 is actually pretty decent about not wasting your time. Especially if you have gil ;P Even the crafting beast tribe runs I try to do daily when I'm playing it take like 10 mins max and I usually grab a map while I'm out in the field and sell it for some gil too. The weekly souvenier stuff for scrips is like 30 mins tops for 12 turn-ins (outside fishing, but why would you fish for scrips with the RNG) and souvenir stuff is good to do while in queues. If you're raiding, the weekly run of 4 raids is maybe 2 hours if you've cleared them and have a decent team so you clear on first runs.

I mean I've just past 1000 hours (~1006 or 1007 now) and I still think outside all the crafting/gathering stuff that's pointless and probably 500 hours of that, the remaining 500 hours or so ain't bad for all the content from ARR through where we are now seeing as they are essentially three 100 hour rpg games easily counting their patches. And it's fun playing the content up to 3x as the tank/healer/dps roles give really different experiences.
Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Akala on March 12, 2019, 11:22:07 PM
When it was amazing it was amazing, and nothing like anything we had ever played.

Looking back on it was straight-up stockholm syndrome.

Title: Re: I got FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 17, 2019, 08:51:07 PM
Did the final Ivalice raid. That was...long. Seems like the weakest/most boring raid of the 3 to me. No interesting locations, and only 1 FFXII esper boss. Felt like the boss patterns were just ok, also seemed easier than the first two parts with the Tower esper guy in part A wiping people and the robot in part B wiping people.

Also I thought a few patches back they made it so when you do a 24-alliance raid, at least 1 of the chest armor pieces up for grabs will be for your job each run?? Because there were 0 ninja pieces the entire raid. So long ass almost 2 hour raid, no gear at all, zzzzz

Don't see myself running it again until post Shadowbringers when it's quicker.

*edit* reading up on it, I think I'm in the wrong on this one. If you're an FFT fan it seems pretty cool. FFT wasn't a very memorable game for me so all the references/cameos don't do a lot for me/I don't recognize them. The FFXII stuff in each part of the alliance raid was more enjoyable for me because FFXII's more recent and I remember some of this stuff.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 18, 2019, 01:24:29 PM
Beat Suzaku last night on normal. Pretty fun fight though I feel like the weird intermissions in Byakko and this (and I assume Seiryuu will have one) will drag on replays. At least the DDR music game in Suzaku is no brainer.

Also beat the toughest boss in FF14, inventory management last night. Cleared out my armory inv and personal inv and retainer inv so I'm ready for the expansion :) Next up is Seiryuu!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 21, 2019, 02:15:03 AM
Did Seiryuu primal last night on normal. Seemed really easy, like easier than the other primals and raids in the post-game. Only one real wipe mechanic and it's super no brainer to avoid. Started working through the remaining hildebrand. It's getting better now with JIM. I still think Hildebrand stories aren't ever going to live up to 2.0 unless they start making more gameplay for them. 2.0 rocked because the Gilgamesh and Ultros/Typhoon fights that were part of it. Heavensward was kinda zzzz outside Vivi. We'll see where this ends up standing.

Once I catch up in Hildebrand, just have MSQ 4.4 and 4.5 to clear and then ready for 4.56 to finish it! Should have all my crafters at lvl.70 by then so only thing left to do before the expansion is any Stormblood Ex primals/Savage fights I wanna try to clear and maybe getting my DRK from lvl.50->lvl.70 to bring into Shadowbringers.

*edit* oh, didn't realize I was that close to catching up in Hildebrand. All caught up there. Time to catch up on MSQ!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 23, 2019, 03:20:04 PM
Finished 4.4, almost done with 4.5, msq is getting good!

So I hear the new trailer for Shadowbringers is awesome and full of spoilers so I haven’t seen it yet.
2nd new job is Dancer which is a ranged dps. So if you count blue mage that’s 2 dps, 1 tank, RIP healers  :doge

I’m hoping there’s still 1 more healing class to be revealed.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 26, 2019, 12:41:06 PM
So I read the patch notes for 4.56 and surprisingly

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No Zenos trial?? to end Stormblood expansion??
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Instead Hildebrand trial LOL
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 26, 2019, 01:22:44 PM
Also in terms of finishing things up...

(https://i.imgur.com/3sdDC8Ch.jpg)

Done! Only took like 2 years lol. I was nowhere near lvl.60 with my crafters/gatherers when I started stormblood, so took a while!
Now I just need to do all their job quests  :'( so I can do the new expansion ones as I hit the levels.

After I finish the MSQ/Hilde tonight will work on the job quests for the crafters (did all the gatherer ones and GSM, but that's it) and finish up the Doman Enclave and gearing the crafters out with yellow scrips with weekly custom deliveries. But generally will be pretty done after this week until xpac.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 27, 2019, 08:03:34 PM
Finished Hildebrand last night, it was a great. I'm glad I didn't get spoiled. Definitely better than HW Hilde. I think it dragged a little early on, but the back half was great and it had a strong finish.

Also finished up last part of Doman Enclave! And did my custom deliveries for the week. Gonna watch the MSQ ending tonight. Heard it's pretty weak, but oh well. A lot of the criticism I'm hearing is that it should have been released before the fanfest because the fanfest basically spoiled everything in it. Since I haven't seen any of the footage from the fanfest maybe I'll still like it? I feel like I generally should try to avoid spoilers in FF14 as there are some neat twists. Only thing I'm gonna look up at launch of expansion is job system changes for NIN.

Then time for crafting job quests catchup!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 28, 2019, 01:01:04 AM
Msq done. Was ok but weird place to end on. Also fuck putting a dps check outta nowhere in the second of two long fights. Had all my cooldowns popped and failed it lol

Also I think 1 on 1 single player fights are never fun. At least team AI fights are fun even if very light versions of real multiplayer.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on March 28, 2019, 09:10:30 AM
seems like a lot of grind to get from where I left off to current. I remember a good bit of grind from HW>SB...wondering if coming back lol.

Beb, what is /timeplayed after all this?  :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 28, 2019, 12:08:26 PM
seems like a lot of grind to get from where I left off to current. I remember a good bit of grind from HW>SB...wondering if coming back lol.

Beb, what is /timeplayed after all this?  :lol

Well when I took a break last fall before 4.4 hit I was around 996 hours played, and now I'm 1032, so like ~36 hours in the last month doing all the 4.4/4.5/4.56 content + crafting dailies, doman enclave weeklies, custom delivery weeklies, joining a few hunts here and there.

Are you talking about ilvl grind for your combat class? What ilvl are you now?

I had a bit of an ilvl issues being out for 4.4/4.5. I was like i356 when I left and all the end stuff requires i365 (last Ivalice raid, last Hildebrand, probably last MSQ). Thanks to having the worst luck ever and not getting like any drops doing all the 4.4/4.5 content (I think I got like 2 earrings and 1 shoe from last Omega set and a Body piece from Arboretum (Hard) and that's it) I just ended up buying a few i380 pieces which were cheap on the MB (I'm talking like 135,000 gil on some). If you've got a ton of gil from crafting, it's probably cheap to just buy some i380 pieces until you hit i365 at least.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on March 28, 2019, 01:29:34 PM
Was apparently not unsubbed. Whoops.  :lol

Looks like I stopped right at launch of Sigmascape, not sure what patch, would need to look. I play WHM, my highest combat class is like 58 BRD I think? Anyway was ilvl 322...decked out in 380 for 1.5MM or so, brought me to 374.

All crafting classes at 70 although I would need the newer craft gear and re-learn etc to do the 380 stuff...was easier to just buy.

Should be in ok shape to at least finish MSQ at some point.

/playtime was  :nsfw  :lol

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2016 hours, most of that from socializing/dicking around in 1.0
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 28, 2019, 01:41:20 PM
Nice, yeah i380 gear's cheap now. I feel like when the game was more active around the expansion it'd cost 1.5 mil just for a single piece!

Oh and by combat class I just meant your main non-crafter class. So your healer.

Sigmascape came in at 3.2.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 30, 2019, 03:02:04 PM
I forgot how expensive ARR/HW job quests are. Gonna cost me like 1 million gil per job just for the mats for all these job quests if I don't wanna bother farming/making them myself :'(
So glad SB got rid of this for job quests. Almost done with CRP job quests, 2 crafter jobs down, 6 to go....
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 06, 2019, 03:08:16 AM
Finished the Alchemist questline. ARR was still a multi-hour long drag, but the HW and SB questlines were good! I like how Alchemist job = medieval fantasy CSI crime scene analyst :)

Going to do CUL next. I think I can manage about 1 crafter job questline from ARR lvl.1->SB lvl.70 a week. 5 jobs left, so should be ready for Shadowbringers in a month!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on April 06, 2019, 09:30:33 AM
Should have done the job quests during the beast grind. At least for SB seemed to reduce the grind A LOT.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 06, 2019, 01:02:36 PM
Yeah, getting a decent amount of unusable xp. Probably would've saved a week or two of dailies across the classes. Oh well.

CUL is fun making food, but I forgot how many damn ingredients there are for each item and these days the MB is all fucked where items either won't exist, or someone is selling the only HQ lemons for 100k gil lol
CUL is getting me to re-activate my 3rd retainer where I stored all my ingredients on  :lol I used to cook a lot for profit so I have a ton of ingredients already.

Also, I'm using the ARR quest rewards to practice desynths with everyone. I guess now that I have all my crafters/gatherers max level and pretty close to i350 max gear, the next grind for them will be to level desynth. I gotta imagine it's pretty useful if you go into a new expansion with high enough desynth to actually desynth stuff you get that doesn't sell or you can't use. Might get some good quality items out of it.

From what I understand the biggest use of desynth is just to get demimateria because it's expensive on the MB and it can't be acquired any other way. I have all the recipe books 3-6 for everyone, but still need to get most of the 1/2 books because the items require demimateria and back then didn't want to spend 100k-200k on mats to get the books. Now that I've got like almost 60 million gil, it's probably cheaper to just buy the mats and get the books than level desynth but oh well. Nice to have goals.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 07, 2019, 02:38:27 PM
Tried actually doing the fashion report instead of just taking the 10k mgp no effort attempt. I used the weekly reddit guide but the problem is some of the pieces aren't NIN equippable :X Like this week the head piece needed wings, I looked through the market board for NIN headpieces and all my stuff and I'm pretty sure the NIN job doesn't have a headpiece with wings at all. Still was able to get 89/100 without it and got some extra MGP. Mostly saving up for FF15 crossover stuff which apparently will all be bought by MGP. I'm almost at 1 million MGP and I hear the car mount is gonna be 200k, so I'm good but saving up some extra MGP anyhow.

Finished the ARR quests for CUL and just starting the HW one. I like making food for some reason more than any of the other crafting. Just sorta makes logical sense turning all these items from base ingredients into mid-level ingredients and then bringing them together for a dish.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 09, 2019, 12:54:18 AM
Hmmm, while the Stormblood crafting job quests are fun and don't cost any money, now that I'm doing a lot of them I can't say I get behind changing the items needed to unique non-market items from ingredients they give you for free.

For some of the HW cooking quests I had to go gather the mats myself and there's something satisfying about going and hunting down an enemy for meat drops and switching to miner and waiting out an unspoiled node for salts and hitting botany points for veggies to make the sauces and then combining it all into a dish. I've always liked how the items in FF14 are all made of ingredients/parts from the world.

Without that the Stormblood quests are more just stories you watch play out since everytime you have to make something you just pop up the menu and make it right there and continue on in the quest story. Whereas ARR/HW quests stop each time you have to make something and you have to either go get mats or go buy it from the MB before going back and continuing the story.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on April 09, 2019, 10:22:47 AM
You are talking like a crazy person! I still have nightmares about the lvl 50 GSM quest.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 09, 2019, 02:53:38 PM
Hahaha, but it makes the game more of an adventure!

Like while I enjoy the game a lot, it's crazy how much of FF14 has like no real gameplay and is just talking to one person and then another for quests. So I appreciate the bits of actual gameplay stuff that there is.
It's fine though with the new way, if I want the old experience I can still get it by trying to complete my crafting logs and craft/gather every item in the game! As insane as that is, it also sounds kinda fun to me. There must be something wrong with me lol

By the way I finally figured out my crafting rhythm at this point for fast crafts at HQ:

Inner Quiet -> The hand II one for +20% accuracy -> The action that halves all actions for 4 turns -> safe progress III for 7 cp 150% progress/100% and on good turns use the 15cp green hammer that ups inner quiet x 2 -> repeat and when progress is 1 away from finishing, just use the normal quality boosting actions until 2 turns left and then use bygrot or whatever's hammer to finish out the +7 or so inner quiet and then complete the craft. At near i350 build on my crafters it seems to work great for most non-raid/endgame stuff.

I haven't even looked into the Stormblood crafting actions yet though lol, I realized I never looked at them and was still using my lvl.60 HW crafting routines and actions, then quickly glanced through the SB ones and saw the 7cp 150% progress and placed the 15 cp 150% progress / 80% chance skill with that but otherwise haven't looked into them. I've also never messed with durability restoring actions which would probably help a lot on the 40 durability items!

Maybe when Shadowbringers comes out I'll sit down and really learn how to craft. I'm basically just winging it still but it gets me by.

Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 10, 2019, 12:57:46 PM
This year's egg hunt is amaaaaaaaaazingly terrible.

The second riddle is one of the worst things I've done in FF14 and I've done a lot of shitty things!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 13, 2019, 04:25:22 AM
Been doing the Armorer/Blacksmith job quests at the same time since ARR they're based in the same building and often share the items needed. Started the HW quest for both and finished it for Armorer first.

I've been stingy and so I've been trying to craft this stuff from mostly scratch, gathering my one mats from nodes/unspoiled nodes and putting it all together instead of spending 30-100k on the MB for some of these HQ gears. It's surprisingly easy to gather all the stuff up if you take the time to actually do it. Like certain alchemy stuff is always expensive on the MB like Dissolvants and Hallowed Water and stuff but the actual ingredients for your Alc to make them are easy to obtain. It's kinda fun to going around the HW areas and gathering certain mats again. Didn't mind. Will finish off Blacksmith ARR next and then do SB quests for both and then just Weaver/Leatherworker.

I'd like to up my Leatherwork desynth to 70+ to break apart dress shoes for fieldcraft demimateria III since it's like 30k a pop and you need about 3 for each master recipe book II in ARR, but I don't even know where you buy mass amounts of cheap leather goods to desynth to level cheaply and fastly. My desynth levels are like 5.00-10.00 for most of my crafters.

I've also been hitting up the casino doing my daily mini-cactpots again since the FF15 event starting in 3 days is going to be MGP based for the items. I've got a little over 800k MGP now so should be good for FF15 stuff, but doesn't hurt to keep upping your MGP. I'd love to get that Golden Saucer Cactaur mount they added but 2 million MGP is a fucking lot. Same with Typhoon at 800k MGP. But at least those are better buys than spending 1 million on a dumb Cloud triple triad card.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on April 13, 2019, 07:22:55 PM
Getting back into this game. Jesus there's so much to do. It's overwhelming.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 13, 2019, 08:21:59 PM
Yeah, there's a lot.

Easy recommendation is to ignore all the crafting/gathering stuff. That basically doubles the hours for completion. If you're just doing the battle stuff and sticking to 1 character it's not that much more time taking than a standard rpg, about 50-80 hours per expansion.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on April 13, 2019, 09:00:52 PM
Well a little backstory.

I originally played the game back when ARR came out. Got the PS3 CE(god what an awful version) and the PC version(actually a copy of 1.0 from Kmart on Clerence) day 1. Played through the story on a Monk. Got the Raid ready gear(whatever it was called) and then called it quits. Even back in my WoW days I've never been into Raiding. I like the progression to that point and doing the high level dungeons and well dungeons are the best part of FFXIV. But the key difference unlike WoW(Vanilla anyway) was that you had to do the dungeons and hope for the drops for your class. In XIV you just kept on doing the dungeons for the points to unlock the stuff. Pros and cons for both ways, but whatever I got bored and then sold my character.

But again FFXIV is really fun so I had the itch to come back. The PS4 was out now so I bought that version and another PC copy. The expansions weren't out, but the progression had changed. Now you had to get gear that looked like slightly more shinny versions of the Base Job outfits and make your weapon special. I did that for a Mage, Monk, Pally, and Scholar, and Summoner. I mean it was fun. Going through ARR's story again kind of sucked, but the hard mode stuff was good.

But again I got kind of bored. Sold my character because I needed money.

But I always have an itch to play. 

So they have that 7 Day come back promo now and well hell I thought I'd see if I could login to an old account. Scummy maybe, to see if I could steal back my account. Hey whatever(it worked in WoW several times). It did'nt here, but at some point I must have made another account, but only got as far as level 30. I don't remember this. Either way I wanted to see what the game would look like on my computer.

So I start playing again and am like "man there's maybe a bit too much to do and starting so low kind of sucks.

But hey there's these boosts and even more so some dude on ebay is selling them for a bit cheaper. So I buy the boosts for the jobs I use to have. I mean I kind of remember how to play them. I buy the story skip to get to Hevansword. I really want to get to Stormblood ,but I've heard good things about this expansion.

I'm interested in some of the new jobs, but I want to learn them so I won't level boost those. I've never done crafting, just really focused on the story and dungeons. Which is all I want to do.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on April 14, 2019, 02:12:24 AM
What’s the ETA on taking a fresh 70 through the 4.x MSQ? I need to catch up before Shadowbringers.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 14, 2019, 03:08:27 AM
Probably 20-40 hours for MSQ + 24 man raid + 8 man raid + normal mode Primals. Ex/Savage versions obviously longer. I feel like the 4.x MSQ was actually pretty short, especially the second half.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on April 14, 2019, 01:10:39 PM
That's way less than I was expecting. Hm. Maybe I'll wait for a few patches and a $20 or so deal on Shadowbringers.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 14, 2019, 04:20:45 PM
Yeah, you can basically do the catch up the month before.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 17, 2019, 12:11:26 PM
FYI, the FF15 crossover event started. Everyone's driving the Regalia around Eorza now  :lol
The car model actually looks kinda shitty compared to FF15, guess mounts are pretty low-poly. Noctics in FF14's character models looks pretty hilarious too. Like some guy at a con cosplaying as Noctics :P
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on April 17, 2019, 03:45:43 PM
event worth logging in for? lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 17, 2019, 06:15:42 PM
Sure, if you're still subbing. Takes about 45 mins and you get an outfit out of it and some new BGMs and you can buy the car, Noctis' hair and Noctis triple triad card with MGP.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 17, 2019, 06:34:21 PM
Fashion Report nets you 10k without trying, 66k if you google the pieces each week (posted on Reddit) and buy/acquire them. Also Gate events in the saucer but I don't mess with those. Also the big lottery every Saturday. Basically you can make about 100k+ a week with just doing the fashion report and daily mini-cacpot that takes 2 mins.

I've saved up like a million just doing the mini-cacpot scratch off daily haha.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 21, 2019, 01:32:32 PM
Every crafter ARR/HW/SB job quest done!

I think that took me like 50 hours lol, I'm at 85 hours since I came back to FF14 and the 4.4/4.5 stuff only took me like 30 hours and the rest has mostly been crafting job quests + FFXV/Seasonal events.
Some fun stories in there. Can't even remember which is which after seeing so many. 1,000 hour+ in and still learning things too. Like I had no idea what ephermal nodes were for in gathering and what aetherial reduction was until I had to use some dawnborne aetherstone in a HW crafting job quest and the only ones on the MB were like 300,000 gil.

I still don't really get aetherial reduction because it's like you get 1-6 shots every 30 mins on an ephermal node (I think there's one spawning in every area) and you pull like 1 collectible from each shot which you break down for a chance to get 1 dusk/dawnborne aethersand. Feels like it'd take forever to get a decent amount of them.

Also I need to read a guide on fastest way to level desynth, because might at least get leatherworker to 70 so I can break down wedding shoes for fieldcraft demimateria IIIs. I still need/plan to finish up the recipe books and need a ton of those for all the book I/IIs.

Ready to start on Shadowbringer stories with all my crafter/gatherers and my main NIN now.
DRK is a few xp away from lvl.52, will need to decide whether I'm up for the 52->70 leveling. This would be easy just running the daily roulette but it's been so long since I've tanked I'm terrible at it and too embarrassed to run DR and get something that I fuck up. Too bad the HW beast tribe dailies pay out crap xp. Crafting beast tribe dailies give so much more xp than combat ones which is kinda sad.
Otherwise I'm pretty much done until expansion time. Not gonna bother with leveling a healer. Maybe during the next expansion I'll give it a shot.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on April 21, 2019, 02:26:31 PM
I'm leveling an AST and I think it's really fun.

I'd also like to level a Pally or a DRK, but yeah I haven't played a tank role since ARR and there's a lot of pressure on leading the party and I'm afraid that I'd screw it up. I mean I'm afraid I'll fuck up when I'm healing. I keep my labtop open next to my desktop and have the XIV wiki up for every dunegon. But I mean that's what I remember loving about this game. The stress of making sure your doing your job well. The party stuff is so good in XIV.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 21, 2019, 04:08:32 PM
Ok, desynthesis is craaaaaaaaaaap. Wasted like 2 hours and 300k gil leveling up stuff. It's not hard to level desynth but it costs money and time. So I get to 70 with Leatherworker and start mass buying the wedding shoes to desynth in hopes to get FC Demimateria IIIs which are selling for like 30-35k. I buy 20 shoes at 6k each so 120k cost, I don't get a single demimateria from any of the desynths. This is stupid, I'm just going to buy the mats on the MB to get my recipe books I/II (mostly IIs, I don't think Is need demimateria).

Meanwhile I look into it and basically all you get for having a high level desynth is random HQ items by breaking down extra gear you get that's high ilevel (because the gear that's not high ilevel gives mats that aren't worth anything these days), but to take advantage of that you have to be running end game Ex/Savage content all the time for gear you're not going to use just to desynth for some good items that you can probably gather and craft yourself mostly -_-

Culnarian/Fisher combo is cheap (though still a waste of time) but you get nothing from your desynths except clusters and sand and an occasional money bag or materia. I got my Fisher to 225 so I can desynth SB fish. I'll probably get it to Shadowbringer entry fish desynth level just so when I'm leveling my fisher job and end up with tons of fish I don't need, if none of them are selling for anything on the MB I can at least desynth and get an occasional item.

Otherwise I'm out on leveling any of the other desynths. Just seems like the dev team hasn't seemed like the dev team gives much thought to making them useful.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 22, 2019, 04:45:50 AM
Finished getting all the Recipe books for all the crafters. The I/II/Demimateria books were easy at this point just expensive for the demimateria.

So now I can craft every object in the entire game.
And I'll probably never actually craft anything much out of it all. For most older stuff, it's cheaper to just buy it off the MB than the mats usually.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 24, 2019, 01:15:39 AM
Yeah I logged on today and  ??? there was a queue to get in

I got in and Ultros where I'm at the main cities were packed with tons and tons of people like launch week. Everything was selling on the MB too. Prices up everywhere.
Seems like with the new world visit system everyone is hanging out on the popular servers on the overall data center. Kinda crazy.

I sure hope this is something people enjoy and then get over it in like a couple weeks and it's dead again. Because if the new expansion comes out and there's this many people + all the people that come back, how the fuck am I even going to get logged in  :lol :'(
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 24, 2019, 12:46:36 PM
Nah, I was there for Stormblood launch. I'm saying take the usual launch queue and now add in everyone from other servers jumping onto yours and  :doge

Well, hope it is less of a clusterfuck than I'd expect when Shadowbringers launches!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 24, 2019, 11:51:08 PM
So....leveling my Dark Knight isn't going too bad. Got from like halfway through 51-> halfway through 54 in a few hours. Basically doing the 6 beast tribe quests in HW, doing the leveling DF dungeon, and running Sohm AI (lvl.53) a couple of times in Command Missions in Adventurer Squad. Takes about 20 mins so same as a PoTD run but gives more xp at least at these levels. Got almost a full bar of xp ~53.

Also tanked Ravana Hard (53) for the first time. Haven't done that fight in a few years, was pretty fun.

What's interesting is that since I'm not PRO at tanking and just sorta barely serviceable since I forgot everything and am re-learning last couple days and most of the DF people I'm getting for dungeons/bosses aren't super great either, these dungeons/bosses are actually decently challenging and intense and fun to play. It's not one of those steamroll everything zzz runs. As the tank I'm not even doing big pulls atm the moment because these dungeons (Dusk Vigil 51, Sohm AI 51) hit pretty fucking hard. And especially with ADVENTURER IDIOT SQUAD pulling anything bigger than one group at a time as tank is DOOM.

The biggest issue I have with adventurer squad is it absolutely is not built for playing tank. It's built for playing dps. This is because they do not program the DPS AI to attack adds on bosses when adds spawn. And trying to keep manually selecting them and hitting "ENGAGE" and keeping any eye on when the add dies and selecting the next one and hit ENGAGE while also tanking is too much for me on a PS4 controller. Luckily on Sohm AI the Adventurer Squad characters once you level their orders and set them right are so OP'd that they steamroll through bosses ignoring mechanics lol Their lvl.54 dps has like 16-17k HP and my lvl.54 Tank with full best of slot lvl.53 gear has like 11k HP -_- I've never seen them die, but I've died! The only time I still have to do the engage thing is on the Tahlia dragon boss in the meteor dropping mid-point you have to attack the two wings and break them and so I still have to manually tell them to do that. But otherwise I can power through the first two bosses ignoring all the adds.

If they just specifically programmed the AI for each boss so DPS would DPS adds when they spawn it'd actually be playable AI, but as is you have to work around it and some dungeons work some don't.

One of the nice things of doing a dungeon with AI is you get every drop so you walk out with like 9-10 pieces of the gear set. Now most of the time they still aren't your class, but you can then trade them all in at the GC and get like 5-10k seals per dungeon run. Ain't bad!

Just need to do the lvl.54 job quest for my DRK and then try doing the alliance raid roulette for the daily xp. I've yet to try to tank any of the 3 Crystal Towers. So I wanna do it, but I also am a little worried of fucking up since there's only 1 tank per party and I don't remember the mechanics for the fights.

I think I'll definitely be sticking with this and getting my DRK to 70 in the next month. Then I'll just need to figure out if I wanna grind out a healer to 70 before Shadowbringers so I can fill any slot needed. I'm leaning towards White Mage for old-school FF nostalgia and have a conjurer at lvl.27. But Astrologian also seems interesting and has the best looking weapons. But RNG :\ I kinda wish Dancer was a healer as I'd totally do that.

Still might do Dancer in Shadowbringers so I have a Tank, Healer, Melee DPS and Ranged DPS class which all play out kinda differently.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: naff on April 25, 2019, 02:08:53 AM
I have never played an mmo and dl'd this. Seems a little daunting, but I've wanted to try one for a while, looking for a new FF/rpg to play, XV wasn't doing it for me and I figured this would prob me more interesting than replaying XII ZE on Switch. Also watched that noclip doco on the development up to Heavensward and despite it being a pretty standard talking heads affair, the team were all super like-able and the story was really good soooo I'm in. Yoshida mentions in the doco the team purposefully develops the game so you can play it pretty casually and still see most of the content which allayed my concerns a bit. Is that true? 

When signing up, i found i'd made a squeenix account and signed up for the beta for this back in 2009  :doge
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 25, 2019, 03:04:12 AM
Yeah, you can play casually. The main problem is that even the “fixed” FF14 which is the ver 2.0 initial campaign...is kinda boring and long and sucks and you can’t fly in the areas from it and the battle system doesn’t get much fun until lvl.50.

I don’t remember but I thought with stormblood they added a $20 skip potion, but maybe that’s just for leveling and you still can’t skip the first storyline. The stuff after the credits roll is great, tons and tons of good post-content even before you get to Heavensward. But seriously best recommendation is to just power through the A Realm Reborn/ARR/2.0 main storyline as fast as you can to get to the good stuff.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: naff on April 29, 2019, 07:12:13 PM
I am really loving this. Takes a while to scratch the surface, and I almost threw in the towel, but as I started getting some decent story quests, met minfilia  :-* joined a grand company and unlocked airship travel it really started to click. felt super lost and bored at the beginning.

playing a scholar on aether dc, chose the faerie server because it sounded pretty gay. seems like a correct assumption. definitely keen to get into the party content but for the minute enjoying soloing and learning things slowly.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: naff on April 29, 2019, 07:45:45 PM
not sure about this doubling own on the furry with shadowbringers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l82wTaVhW0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8JE4-T-i0s
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 29, 2019, 08:10:13 PM
Haha, yeah. Definitely furry expansion.

I'm having a good time leveling my Dark Knight. Hit lvl.58 the other day so almost through Heavensward, really starting to enjoy tanking when it gets second nature and you don't feel so much pressure. Having fun doing level roulette playing different dungeons and tanking. Meeting lots of nice supportive people.

Also the AI in command squadron is so bad it makes the maps really intense and fun lol, I had an awesome run tanking The Vault (lvl.57) with an AI party.

The only thing about DRK is I feel like the 30-50 job plotline was a lot more interesting than the 50-60 one, but haven't finished it yet. I'm excited about bringing my DRK into Stormblood content soon.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: naff on April 29, 2019, 08:20:51 PM
tbh, i will probably switch to a Viera in Stormblood to show my support for femdom  :shaq
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 30, 2019, 02:17:18 AM
Hit 59 with my DRK, 1 level away from Stormblood woohoo. Only...4 million xp to go! :X
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 02, 2019, 03:44:16 AM
Finished Heavensward content with my Dark Knight! Was funny when I hit 60 mid-DF-dungeon and my HP when from 14k to 30k as I equipped all my i255 gear from being like i145. My healer in the party probably appreciated when I became invincible  :lol

Started doing the Turtle/Snake beast tribes (had been doing the Ant/Owl dailies, got them a few ranks in and will finish them with another character I bring up at some point (probably a healer), already halfway to lvl.61 where the first SB dungeon content starts.

Now that I'm 60, I should try tanking some of Alexander normal just to get a feel for 8-man raids as a tank. Like even though I've tanked a few 8-man bosses like Ravana normal and run the 24-man Crystal Tower (well, just World of Darkness at this point) and a bunch of dungeons, there's a lot of "tank" stuff that I've never actually had to do. Like I've never done a tank swap because never done any content that needed it. I'm guessing Alexander raids might require that and be a good place to learn it. Also I've never had to learn upcoming tankbuster attacks and to pop cooldowns specifically to mitigate them. I just generally rotate all my cooldowns around so something is always running and mitigating during battles/bosses and when I'm taking too much damage like in a big pull I just pop everything all at once.

Anyhow tanking is pretty fun. Looking forward to re-experiencing the SB content. Since I never run the DF roulletes normally, most of the SB dungeons I've done like once, the first time going through the story. So doing it again now 2 years later will be fun re-visit, especially right before the next expansion content. I still need to run a few more of the HW things like Bismark/Thordan/Nidhogg and the rest of the 24man raids.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 02, 2019, 12:38:58 PM
Also I feel like my DRK is a game of thrones character now

(https://i.imgur.com/KoS70Ksh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/YWbfCVTh.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Chooky on May 02, 2019, 08:21:13 PM
i wanna get back into this so bad but every time i log back in i'm reminded that my ilvl sucks and the thought of trying to grind back up makes me exhausted
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 03, 2019, 02:53:43 AM
What's your ilvl? It's pretty easy to catch up. Also the second the expansion drops, the cheapest easiest sold lvl.70 gear will basically outclass the highest ilvl gear currently out. So like your ilvl could suck and then you get the expansion and go to a marketboard and but lvl.70 shadowbringer gear and boom you're done.

I just noticed this as the lvl.60 Alexander Tier 3 gear / highest HW tome gear is i250, i255 and the entry level sells for 10,000 gil lvl.60 Stormblood gear is i265 (or maybe it was i255 don't remember). I basically just decked my DRK out in starting Stormblood gear at 60 which was better than all my rare end game HW gear.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Chooky on May 03, 2019, 12:11:37 PM
i3(?)52 right now. I do completely forgot about the market board tho lmao. I was preparing to grind roulettes and raids and shit whew. I'll go check the mb when I get home.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 03, 2019, 09:47:06 PM
The world visit is awesome, I was able to buy Fashion Report gear on Balmung (the high pop. creepy server) for 80k and sell it within minutes for 250k on my own 2nd biggest server (Brynd).

Haha, nice. Yeah definitely potential to take advantage of markets. I know the first week world visit was out people from other servers were buying lots of stuff on our MB in Ultros. Was nice because the MB's been kinda dead at this point in the cycle. I'm a seller and make most of my gil just re-selling shit and stuff moves slow. Waiting for the new expansion to make a ton of money fast, though not sure what I need money for other than convenience for buying gear occasionally. I already have a Medium house and large house is too big for 1 person.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 08, 2019, 01:36:10 AM
Up to 66 with my Dark Knight, been knocking off about one level a day in 90 mins to 2 hours each night. Leveling queue 30 mins, latest dungeon 30 mins, beast tribe dailies, sometimes job quest and fucking around.

First time I’ve ever actually finished a Wonderful Trail since I do at least one lvl.60 dungeon a day and just keep retrying it with my second chance points. Got 300 genesis tomes which is pretty nice since the only genesis tomes I get are from occasional hunts giving me 10 or 30 for a rare SB S rank. Brings me to 960 Genesis tomes so gonna buy a i380 body piece and upgrade it to i390 with my coins from Ivalice for my NIN.

Could replace my weapon with 1000 tomes, but I’ve my i380 HQ crafted weapon and i360 body so I feel like it’s better spent on the body plus the gear looks neat.

Should be done with DRK in about a week and then will just gear him up with i360 mendacity tome gear and buy a piece or two so he’s ready for Shadowbringers.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 09, 2019, 04:04:57 AM
One thing about leveling with a 2nd battle character...I learned that mixed in with the "!" sidequests everywhere, if it shows an story image when you accept the quest then it's actually a multi-quest storyline complete with directed cutscenes! Been finding some fun ones spread around. If I level a healer at some point I'm gonna try to find and do all these types of story quests in ARR/HW/SB. Up to 67 now, 3 levels left! Gonna try tanking Lakshimi and Doma Castle dungeon tomorrow. Susano fight was pretty fun to tank.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 09, 2019, 02:45:47 PM
Yeah, for new custom deliveries/beast tribes I always have to use a guide to find the sidequest chain to unlock them.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on May 09, 2019, 04:39:53 PM
Well I finished all of Hevansward and well it was really good. Decent story with a much better focus on a central core of characters. I actually really liked Estinein and the Shivva girl(sorry names...I'm not good at them). And man is the voice acting much better post ARR. I'm also really impressed at how they keep the story going past the main expansion and how it transitioned into Stormblood. The story feels very evolving, almost like a good a tv show. Which is honestly not something I expected from a FF game.

Anyway, I'm at 66 with my Monk which is my favorite job still. Just feels great to be in constant motion. I'm also level 65 with Astrologian which is my 2nd favorite job. Just having to make on the fly choices with my buffs and newer 60+ skills is really fun and tests my skill. I've been leveling a 64 now Samurai mostly though Raid and MSQ Duty which honestly means I didn't have to really know how to play. I've started taking that job through the Leveling Duty and it's fun. A bit less hectic and focused on a simpler rotation then MNK, but still fun. I also want that outfit that makes you look like Auron from FFX. I guess thats the level 70 Job quest reward. Started Ninja and it's ok. I'll level SCH, NIN, and PAL once I'm done with the formally mentioned three.

Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 09, 2019, 05:13:16 PM
That’s a lot of jobs!

Glad you’re enjoying it. Yeah feels like a TV show with seasons. Lots of fun content & I just enjoy chilling in the various areas because they have nice music and good art direction.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 09, 2019, 07:36:47 PM
The talk about the new FF7R trailer makes me wonder why square hasn't implemented an FF14 combat system in a single player FF.

FF14's Crossbar battle system on a controller feels way more "action" and interactive than FF12's auto-play and is still realtime-ish enough to appease the arpg fans. Just feels like it'd be a good middle-ground for a single player FF that's not turn-based and is not fully FF15 action.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 10, 2019, 01:35:00 AM
Made it to 68. Did Doma Castle (67) and my lvl.66 HQ crafted gear armor was melting. I'd never seen anything like this in the previous dungeons and I have a very sneaking suspicion this was more to do with the healer in our team as opposed to something wrong with my armor/cooldowns. Had one death like 5 enemies into the map and after that just pulled one small group at a time and even then my HP would be sinking between souleater HP regen attacks at the end of my 1-2-3 combo.

Since I need like 9.5 million lolz to 69, probably will end up running Doma Castle at least once more so will be interesting to see if I have the same experience with a different group.

I tried to also run Lakshmi and the queue timer popped when I took a break to pee and missed it and then I tried again and 25 mins later it still didn't pop so I just bailed cause I'm tired. Will try again tomorrow. Also just realized I have a lvl.68 job quest I can do, so will do those next.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 11, 2019, 01:52:13 AM
Hit lvl.70! Was kind of a surprisingly small deal gearing up lol. Like one minute I'm struggling on the last few SB maps at being geared enough and surviving mobs and the next minute I just buy a full i380 set for like a million gil and I'm i366 and can do everything non Ex/Savage in SB and ready to go into Shadowbringers.

So now is probably a good time to read a guide on how to play the job  :lol
I've just been winging it so far which was fun trying to figure out the best use for each skill, but I'm probably doing it wrong. Like I thought Abyssal Drain was worthless until I started getting destroyed in the mobs in the last 2 maps in Stormblood, both losing HP and struggling to keep enemity and then I was like wait Abyssal drain is AoE recovers HP & Enemity, maybe that's my AoE I just be using for mobs and yeah that was a game changer. Not sure the best use for the lvl.70 ability Blackest Night. I struggle a bit keeping my MP up as DRK and that costs a lot of MP and is only good for 7 seconds so ehhh, will need to read a guide.

I also need to learn how to tank swap. I've yet to do it once! And never used Shirk yet! Because obviously it doesn't apply in dungeons and in the normal mode bosses I've fought there hasn't been any need to tank swap. Just one tank tanks and the other just acts as a DPS off-tank the whole fight. So I wanna learn that.

Tomorrow will try to learn some stuff and try to tank and beat Shinryuu and maybe try my hand at some Omega raid (normal) tanking and maybe Rabanastre tanking.

After this weekend though, planning on taking a break for like a month and then just come back for a week or two of last minute stuff with the FC before the expansion hits. I think I'll level up a healer during the next expansion but not before it. Dark Knight was fun though. I feel like Tanking is less movement on your feet dodging stuff since a lot of boss mechanics are only aimed at DPS/Healers and it's more just watching the boss move status to see when tank busters are coming to use cooldowns.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 11, 2019, 04:07:10 AM
So yeah I read a couple DRK rotation guides and the skills I thought were useless were really the secret best ones and the ones I used weren’t that good lol

Will be interesting to practice rotations tomorrow.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 11, 2019, 09:37:58 PM
Coming down sick bleh and mother’s day prep all day so only did a little practice and a run of Ala Mhigo dungeon. Feel pretty good about boss fight dps rotation with DRK. Noticed the bosses melted pretty fast with optimum dps rotation compared to what I’m used to.

Still having trouble with pulling multiple mob groups on endgame Stormblood dungeons. Was fine before that to grab 2-3 mobs at a time but to be safe just doing one mob at a time.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 22, 2019, 02:43:04 AM
Been taking a break from FFXIV after DRK hitting 70 until the expansion, but still log in every few days to update my wares on the MB. Also been running a few levels of Conjurer at a time just for the heck of it. Finally hit 30 today and got White Mage job. Dunno if I'll stick with it, but will see. The spell list doesn't look particularly interesting between 30-70. Stone II does 200 potency and then like 20+ levels later you get Stone III and it does a whopping....210 potency! zzzzzzzzz

I get it's a healing job, not a DPS attacking job, but still.

Ixion popped while I was doing that and because I could never get into Ixion any of the times when it came out, I still only had 6 ixion horns since Stormblood launched. Got there at the start this time and took Ixion down (even had top Aggro for a lot of the fight with my NIN :o) and got another 6 horns and finally almost 2 years later got my Ixion mount lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on May 22, 2019, 05:46:01 AM
MNK, AST, and SAM at level 70. Starting a DNK and beginning to level up my SCH.

Finished Stormblood. Have to say that I didn’t like it as much as Hevansword. The Otthard stuff felt to much like filler and side track for the real conflict with Zenos and The Empire. Started skipping cutscenes a lot when you were in that tribal area.

Now I guess to finish the Stormblood “DLC”. I’ll try to Gear my jobs with the ready for raiding gear, but probably not much beyond that.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 22, 2019, 11:38:20 AM
Most people were the opposite haha, liked the Othard stuff but felt the Zenos/Ala Mhigo stuff was boring and drab. Plus Lyse kinda sucks and Heian is great.

Splitting it definitely caused pacing issues and it’s not as good as HW campaign.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on May 22, 2019, 12:48:54 PM
I mean there's nothing amazing about the Zeno stuff. All and all a lot of the story beats and ideas in XIV are pretty unoriginal. But Zeno's has cool presence and is a classic villain thats easy to want to fight. Cool design and good voice acting go far. Also Foderla(whatever her name was) was also an interesting antagonist because it's easy to see that she's not 100% wrong. While the Othard villain was just kind of lame. Didn't really do much to see why she hates her people.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Chooky on May 22, 2019, 03:59:31 PM
i started playing this again and i'm so rusty that it took me six tries to beat the damn ffxv crossover lol. i'm gonna stick with it tho since i want to catch up before shadowbringers. gotta at least finish the story and raids, although i think it's too late to do the extreme fights.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 27, 2019, 06:30:37 PM
Hey Rahx, what are some tips for 30-50 healing?
Got to 35 with my WHM and learning all this stuff.

Learning healer definitely gives me a better appreciation of healers when I play DPS or Tank.
As tank when my HP is dropping too fast in pulls or on bosses I thought it was because the healer was spending too much time doing DPS and not healing enough,

But if it’s anything like what I’m experiencing at 30 as a healer, then it’s more likely they’re not healing more because they’re running out of MP.

I’ve actually started carrying around Ether items as a last minute save if I’m pretty low on MP after healing a big tank pull and then a boss fight is starting. Also the Era FC taught me that Lucid Dreaming refresh regens MP so that helps. They also taught me that I should be mainly using the cheap MP heal and saving Cure II which costs double MP for saves.


Also separately I tanked Rabanastre with my DRK and joined some hunts and I realized that learning DRK in a month and then not touching it for a couple weeks, I remember the general rotation for single enemy boss targets, but I’ve totally forgotten how to tank mobs. I feel sorry for whoever is in my party for the first Shadowbringers dungeon as I try to remember how to keep group enmity.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on May 28, 2019, 04:15:10 PM
Heals 30-50 should be easy. Main habits to get into is not overhealing/not going OOM. Other main thing is to keep geared up, with instaparty you will probably level faster than you can gear all slots lol. Don't want to be reason your party sucks. If tank has terrible gear then there is not a lot you can do sometimes, but if you are geared pretty well can usually drag things through.

Did the Shadowbringers (who thought 2 "SB" xpacs in a row was good naming) bench and it didn't really hype me up for it much...seems a bit thrown together. There are some FFXI and XIV 1.0 vibes in there though.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 28, 2019, 04:22:54 PM
Hmmm, haven't touched the bench or watched any Shadowbringers trailers yet. I don't even know where we're going for the expansion  :lol

Just hope it's good.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on May 28, 2019, 06:43:06 PM
Hehe I’m no expert on healing and honestly I’m not into the raid scene. Just the regular dungeon runs and those are pretty easy. It’s really just making sure to not over heels and yeah using the weaker healing spell over the stronger one is preferable. I don’t really play White Mage, just SCH and AST. I mean for SCH your main healing spell kind of sucks and is more about preemptive healing as Succor and Algonquin are more about the damage reducing, so it’s better to put them on a take as the battle starts. A lot of sch’s things are like that. AST has kind of two healing modes and I use the 2nd one so it’s more like SCH and also it makes it more apparent to not over use the stronger healing spell as you can Proc that spell.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on May 28, 2019, 06:44:32 PM
But yeah I’m no expert.

I read the FFXIV forums and the way people talk about the battle system goes over my head.

Either way I switched to leveling my Pally as DRK is not something I’m grasping.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 30, 2019, 04:38:04 PM
So I'm not looking too much into the Shadowbringers job changes because I like going in blind, but I did glance at it and I'm not really happy that they're removing skills/attacks again.

I thought it was going to be like this:

ARR = Your set of skills
HW = More advanced, in-depth rotation set of skills
Stormblood = Cut a bunch of skills and add new meters and back to your set of skills rotation
Shadowbringers = more advanced, in-depth rotation set of skills
repeat.

But I guess they just never want to get rotations back to Heavensward complexities so every patch they will cut as many skills as they add so the rotation depth never changes much -_-

I enjoyed the like 3 months of Heavensward NIN I got to play after I caught up to 60 and before Stormblood came up. Current 70 rotation is fine, but it's definitely less exciting because there's less you have to keep track of.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on May 30, 2019, 04:46:55 PM
Some jobs will be be more than others, but for most part yeah, rotations are likely about maxed out. Tune to the bell curve.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on May 30, 2019, 09:44:59 PM
Friends talked me into resubbing because I was interested in DNC coming to the new expansion and wow I am lost. Logged in to some random camp of bug dudes with a bunch of quests I don't remember taking and a lot of X'd out skills in my action bars. :lol

BRD has really changed a lot and it's kinda weird now. I do like the new song gauge but it's kinda hard to tell what the songs do at this point but I'm getting the hang of it...just not doing much in the way of damage but that's mostly a gear thing I think. My two highest jobs are MCH and BRD (at 54 and 51) but I remember really not liking MCH so I'll stick with BRD.

Anyway I've been wanting some sort of MMO/long term progression game for a while and (WoW is just the worst trash right) and I fell right back into the game. Mostly doing side quests til I feel a bit more comfortable but I'm going to continue the MSQ tomorrow and I'm pretty ready to get into some FF story. I'll probably need a peek at a wiki to remind myself of what is going on. :lol

Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 31, 2019, 01:36:18 AM
Friends talked me into resubbing because I was interested in DNC coming to the new expansion and wow I am lost. Logged in to some random camp of bug dudes with a bunch of quests I don't remember taking and a lot of X'd out skills in my action bars. :lol

BRD has really changed a lot and it's kinda weird now. I do like the new song gauge but it's kinda hard to tell what the songs do at this point but I'm getting the hang of it...just not doing much in the way of damage but that's mostly a gear thing I think. My two highest jobs are MCH and BRD (at 54 and 51) but I remember really not liking MCH so I'll stick with BRD.

Anyway I've been wanting some sort of MMO/long term progression game for a while and (WoW is just the worst trash right) and I fell right back into the game. Mostly doing side quests til I feel a bit more comfortable but I'm going to continue the MSQ tomorrow and I'm pretty ready to get into some FF story. I'll probably need a peek at a wiki to remind myself of what is going on. :lol

I find the best way to get back in the hang of jobs is to read every attack's descriptor and make your own rotations and see if it's working.

I do hear that Stormblood fucked up Machinist and that the job sucks until like 64 now. People seem to like Bard though.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on May 31, 2019, 10:03:03 AM
Yeah took a bit but BRD seems a bit simpler than before even though there's more buttons to press. Seems to be just keeping DOTs and songs up, spam Bloodletter and Heavy Shot, and then use Straight Shot/Misery's End when it lights up.

I really like ranged combat more than melee in 14 so I'll eventually get back to MCH, and probably DNC at some point too
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 01, 2019, 03:05:56 PM
Did Qarn (lvl.35) with my WHM. Regen is fun! Nice to be able to cast it and for smaller stuff not have to worry about healing the tank much and just dps. Also switching to using Cure I instead of Cure II fixed all my problems. Still heals enough (and get free Cure II heals sometimes) and my MP, especially with Lucid Dreaming refresh pretty much never got anywhere below 75% in the run.

Healing's starting to get fun. The pressure of keeping your tank healed/buffed while dps-ing the enemies with DoTs and attacks, while watching out for any allies needing a heal, while also watching your character/enemy to dodge shit is pretty exciting.

In a lot of ways, it seems like Healing is the most intense of the 3 to me.

For a lot of the time as tank you're just standing still wailing on the boss or mobs and on bosses most of the boss attacks don't even aim at you so you can just sit and do your rotation. Mobs actually seem a bit tougher as tank because you need to keep you buffs/heals up or you'll fuck over your healer and die too quickly.

DPS is moderately challenging because you need to dodge the enemy attacks (which can be a lot at times) and do your rotation.

Healer has a lot of the same attack patterns to dodge + healing, though I guess the rotation is probably simpler than DPS/Tank because you're constantly switching back and forth to heal so you're not doing a long rotation but a few short attacks rotation between heals.


Also if the healer dies, everyone dies. Whereas if the tank dies the healer can resurrect and still probably save the team in time and dps dies who cares unless there's dps check.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 03, 2019, 12:57:25 PM
So I'm almost at 60 with Bard and figured it was time to look into getting the next expansion....and there doesn't seem to be an easy way to do that right now. I could buy Stormblood for $40, but then in a month I'd need to get Shadowbringers for another $40. Oh, but Shadowbringers also comes with Stormblood...except I can't use that Stormblood key until July (according to the product page on SQEX store). :dizzy

So...I guess I just won't buy either and just wait til after Shadowbringers release, cause it seems sorta silly to spend an extra $40 when I don't need to. :lol What a dumb setup, not even sure if I'll keep my sub going or just cancel and wait it out.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 03, 2019, 01:12:44 PM
SE  :lol

I'd totally wait till July, you will get to miss the crashes/bugs, bottlenecks, price gouging, etc. Although I guess it is kinda fun.  :awesome
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 03, 2019, 01:24:32 PM
I enjoy the fuckery of day one expansioning, always a good time in WoW

At least Dancer starts at 60 so once I get both xpacs I can just hop right into Stormblood and do 60-70 MSQ as Dancer. I still may pre-order to get those 30% XP earrings though. If nothing else they sound pretty useful.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 03, 2019, 02:15:43 PM
Can you do that? I don’t think you unlock new jobs until you have cleared certain parts of the MSQ. Like I don’t think I could get Samurai until I finished the Heavensword story.

And the earrings are useful. I just made a pre-order at GameStop for $5 and got all the bonuses.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 03, 2019, 02:30:57 PM
I can't find anywhere listing the requirements yet so it was just a guess. I hope I'm able to, cause it'd be a real bummer otherwise.

edit: this reddit comment says there was no such restriction on SAM/RDM so I'm hoping that sticks for DNC
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/b5bo6z/dancer_question/ejcgmss/
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 03, 2019, 02:43:56 PM
Pretty sure you can get any of the new jobs when you hit the level. So if you're lvl.60 you should be able to get Dancer right away.

They realized they fucked up putting the new lvl.30 jobs in Ishgard which you can't reach until lvl.50 so that's why in SB Samurai and Red Mage are back in the starting towns to begin their job quests. Dancer/Gunblade should be the same.


I had one of those :duh leveling queue runs as healer where the tank was new, didn't know how to tank stance, was way undergeared and had no idea where to go so everyone was getting hit and it took forever and I had to heal 100% of the time to keep the undergeared tank alive. Playing leveling queue as healer makes me feel better about how I play other jobs. I may not be perfect rotation or anything but at least I'm not as bad as some of the people I see...
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 03, 2019, 02:46:08 PM
Yeah it seems Dancer is unlocked in Limsa so I should be good :D

I guess I'll just spend my time leveling some other jobs...might be time to actually get into gathering/crafting. I never did those jobs in ARR cause I hated them so much in 1.0.

I haven't died or come close to dying in any dungeon since my return so I must be doing something right. However I keep forgetting to use limit break on the last boss because I'm used to BRD having a shitty healing LB so I just ignore it until someone reminds me in the chat :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 03, 2019, 03:26:26 PM
Gathering is ok, but I always gotta warn everyone not to go down the crafting hole. So many hundreds of hours of life wasted for nothing. And once you start doing it, it's hard to stop...
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 03, 2019, 03:32:02 PM
Crafting is fine if you don't go crazy with it.

Elysium Eulmore looks awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saH1RCIMdqg
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 03, 2019, 03:34:24 PM
I mainly just want to pass the time and make some gil so I may stick just to gathering. Crafting was painful in 1.0 and boring as hell in WoW so I'm okay just leaving all that in the past, I only did it in those games because some gear was required to be crafted

Speaking of, how much is a good amount of gil these days? I'm at 5mil and that seems pretty low.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 03, 2019, 04:34:15 PM
No idea, I have like 30M, and I am going to hold on to as much as possible. MB prices are way lower than what they used to be.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 03, 2019, 05:23:21 PM
Crafting for money is zzz. I've spent like 500 hours getting max crafters across the board fully geared but I make more money just re-selling NPC goods and selling whatever my retainers bring me back than I do crafting.

The problem with crafters is that crafting is worthless unless you have all crafters leveled since they share skills and 8 jobs is a fucking lot. Then you spend hundreds of hours and get all your crafters maxed and 95% of the stuff you want to craft you go to buy the mats and then check the MB for the finished crafted item and see that most of the time the finished item on the MB is cheaper than buying the mats to make it so there's zero point in crafting it.

Like for me the most fun part of crafting is early on in a new expansion where you gather everyone item in each new area and then you're like "oh wow, what can I make out of it?" and then you make stuff you can use or you sell.

It's also nice when leveling a new battle job since older low level gear will be like 30-60k for HQ on the MB and you can make it in 30 seconds for like 1k in mats.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 03, 2019, 05:34:24 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/sHraMWG.png)

We in there! :lol I just wanted the earrings really, those are gonna pay dividends. Too bad they don't work for gathering classes
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 03, 2019, 06:40:39 PM
SAM is also unlocked in Uldalh so that doesn’t mean anything and I guess you just needed a level 50 job. I don’t know you’re probably fine. I was wrong.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 03, 2019, 11:02:26 PM
I preordered today once I found out about the earrings as well  :lol

All crafters/gatherers at 70 anyway, but I think only my WHM is at 70? I tried playing around a bit this afternoon but my hotkeys are an absolute horror, sucks they are client-side. I remembered that was why I kinda quit. So now I am on MSQ 4.2 and will chug through. I think there is a bit of content from here to the end.

I didn't even know they rebuilt!

Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 04, 2019, 01:54:48 AM
You guys didn't know about the earrings?  :lol

How do you think I leveled my DRK to 70 last month and am leveling my WHM now? +30% xp ftw.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 04, 2019, 02:48:32 AM
Speaking of that nice earring xp, was getting 297% xp on chains in Stone Vigil just now. Actually starting to see the end of my rest xp bar which I haven't seen for almost 2 years! Up to lvl.43 WHM now. Just wanna get out of ARR.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 04, 2019, 10:42:55 AM
Did a dungeon (Aery?) with a father/son tank/healer combo last night and it was pretty funny. The dad kept pulling massive packs and the son was having trouble keeping up and was complaining the whole time while the dad kept saying "I'm trying to teach you hardship, son". Right as the instance ended and we were leaving the son just said "I'm adopted" in party chat and left the instance. :lol

Also there was a Red Mage in that dungeon and it seemed like a cool job so I went to check out the starting quest and got bodied cause I need Stormblood. :-\ I'll add that to my list of shit to do in July lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 07, 2019, 09:26:09 AM
Decided to play BRD some to re-acclimate to game some, got 56-60 relatively quickly by doing some PoTD and squad missions (infuriating). Remembered basics of crafting, and it is nice to be able to craft HQ weapons/accessories for next to nothing. Seems there is demand so made a few and threw the rest on the market. Market for many materials I checked has crashed, could make a good bit pretty easily if I wanted to waste an afternoon of my life.  :lol

Should be at a place where I can heal the 5.2 (3?) trial without killing too many people in a day or so. Also, understand a lot of people are coming back now in order to get caught up, but there are already queues on Sargatanas in the evenings, the launch is going to be a cluster.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 07, 2019, 09:39:55 AM
Hey I'm on Sarg too...or I will be today. Started there with GAF in 1.0, moved to Excalibur in Heavensward to play with some other friends but they all quit now so I'm moving back to Sarg to play with the Blue Dot people again :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 07, 2019, 10:53:23 AM
I am still in DOT  :lol

I am Kitty Glitter lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 07, 2019, 10:57:19 AM
nice! i'm tacoface delicioso. was gonna transfer over while i was at work but i forgot i needed my security token to log in :lol

i apologize ahead of time for any dungeons we run together
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 07, 2019, 02:15:13 PM
Sounds like SCH is going to suck in 5.0. Decided to start working on a WHM.

AST and MNK are my favorite jobs though. I’m a little worried about AST as the randomness and decision making with the cards is what made it fun. And that’s been dumbed down a bit it seems.

Excited to try out Gunblade and honestly Dancer.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 07, 2019, 02:31:48 PM
Yeah I heard people are being grumpy about SCH changes.

I'm up to 45 now with WHM (just got my first AoE with Holy) and it's alright. Usually when doing dungeons/df people are constantly taking damage/status effects so between regen/shields/tank healing/status removing/dps healing there's really almost no time for me to get DPS damage in anymore. After around 41 Stone Vigil, these tanks even with regen are burning HP hard in big pulls and I pretty much just have to cure/cureII non-stop in a pull to keep the tank from dying.

I'm actually getting pretty close to running out of rest xp because of my WHM leveling  :'( Would've been nice to have that for my 70-80 characters but it is what it is.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 07, 2019, 02:44:47 PM
I really like ranged dps in this game so I'm full in on dancer
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 07, 2019, 04:38:45 PM
Man, 44-49 in ARR is brutal for leveling. Your only choices for xp outside random leveling df are Dzeamold Darkhold & Aurum Vale, two crappy 1.0 dungeons and you start leveling slower. I was leveling like 1.5-2 levels per dungeon run until now, but even at 200%+ xp gain I only go up about 1 level per dungeon run. lvl.46 now with WHM, 4 more dungeon runs to go...

It would help if the ARR beast quests were better. If I was the dev team I'd go back and change up the ARR beast tribes to at least give good xp. Right now there's a ton of ARR beast tribes and their quests are annoying and have no flying and tedious and they give jack shit xp so there's no reason to do them other than completion. Otoh the HW/SB beast tribes are quick & easy and give solid xp so it's worth doing them. I got about halfway through the HW/SB beast tribes leveling my DRK last month, so should be able to finish them with my WHM once I hit 50, but not looking forward to 46-50.

I am getting better at healing though! Man, this job can be chaotic but it's pretty fun when you save everyone's ass.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 07, 2019, 05:42:08 PM
Also

(https://i.imgur.com/en4k9ZZh.jpg)

Got my first 100 on fashion report. Enjoying that sweet +50% MGP giving me 90k MGP for it. Just broke 1 million MGP. Saving up for 2 million for the Sabotender mount.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 09, 2019, 03:11:55 PM
Ran Darkhold again to hit 47 and then did a run of Aurum Vale and now real close to hitting 49. One more run of Aurum Vale should take me to 50.

Darkhold & Aurum Vale are awful dungeons to heal on. Especially AV with all the multi-stack poison bosses blarrghhh. I do feel it made me a better healer getting through that though. My tank way overpulled in one of the maps and I just barely scrapped us by in healing. Was real intense and were super close to wiping multiple times, but feels good making it through a giant pull as a healer.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 09, 2019, 07:15:03 PM
Welp, hit lvl.50 with my WHM. Time to slowly keep going to 60 and then 70. Might get there by Shadowbringers launch, maybe. Gonna be out of rest xp so that's 50% less and will slow it down somewhat. Beast tribes will help though.

Also I haven't bitched much about the df peeps but playing Healer I seriously UNDERSTAND. It's like every df run has someone whose being an idiot. I did Hauke's Manor for like the 50th time (it always seems to be the dungeon that pops on leveling queue idky) and the tank was a WAR and I realized he either didn't know about role actions or just didn't care because I never saw the dude pop rampart or any DEF buff once so the entire dungeon his HP would always melt and I'd have to keep healing him non-stop.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 09, 2019, 08:41:06 PM
I started on MRD this weekend and ah shit here we go again. gonna be out of rest XP for expansion at this rate.

have leveled BRD 53-60 and like it, was trying to level LNC and MRD together but see the MRD lapping it as super quick queue.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 09, 2019, 08:56:27 PM
flying whale fight was pretty great, coolest primal so far. almost 59, we're getting there
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 09, 2019, 09:08:24 PM
also not ashamed to admit i'm obsessed with the group pose and glamor system. usually rocking this setup though, the brd class armor is basic but i just dig it a ton

(https://u.cubeupload.com/nws/ffxiv060920191903437.png)

Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 15, 2019, 03:26:04 PM
Finally hit 60! Azys Lla is a real cool zone as well, I dig it a lot.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9Ejc0mUEAEwMnS.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 15, 2019, 04:32:26 PM
Nice picture.

Yeah I really like Azys Lla from a visual design although I wish it was used for more than just the final dungeon. Like there's almost no gathering points outside hidden nodes and unless there is a hunt there, no reason to ever be there.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 17, 2019, 01:39:24 PM
Finished the story of HW (well minus the years of extra stuff in patches lol) and it was pretty good. I was gonna just jump into the next MSQ but I've been caught up with all these side quests and raids and gearing up myself. Alexander parts are pretty cool and I like the little story going with it about Gobbos Gone Wild. Also did all the Hildibrand quests I'd been misisng, I really love his stuff and the HW quests were beyod wacky. :lol Probably gonna do Void Ark today to see what's up with these sky pirates.

And between all this I've been running Syrcus Tower non-stop for Poetic and event tomestones. I'm now in all Shire gear/wep and getting close to being able to upgrade it all. Once I get that I think it'll be time to pop back into MSQ to get myself to SB.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 19, 2019, 01:13:30 PM
Trying not to get sucked back into this, but have been playing a lot. :lol

At this rate won’t have much if any rested XP for the expansion but whatever, running around on WAR is fun. Already lvl 45 but am not best skill wise as all it gives me is sastasha in roulettes for the most part. Should just queue what I want I guess.

Going to be a proper catass next weekend for expansion as wife out of town. And SAMSHO for when this is inevitably down.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 19, 2019, 04:54:25 PM
in breaking news that no one cares about, i installed an XIV specific version of Reshade (called MoogleShade) that enhances the colors and such a bit to take better screenshots :lol if anyone's interested, its an easy install: https://www.mooglemedia.com/moogleshade/ I'm using the Bearshade Gameplay preset so I don't have to turn it on and off and its pretty non-intrusive

Anyway a quick shot, might take some more later on

(https://u.cubeupload.com/nws/ffxivdx1120190618201.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/6XcZaRQ.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 19, 2019, 09:44:08 PM
Finally got all my Shire gear upgraded, time to finish Heavensward!

(http://u.cubeupload.com/nws/ffxivdx1120190619191.png)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 21, 2019, 08:54:01 PM
So Shadowbringers comes out in a week and for some reason I'm not excited at all. Just feels like ok, next story patch with some new features is out soon. I haven't even watched any Shadowbringers trailers and have no idea what is coming in the expansion besides the 2 new jobs and some furries.

Before Stormblood came out I was still catching up and was super excited before launch and joined the era FC running Ex bosses all night on the last night servers were up before the new expansion. But this time, maybe I'll log in for the crazy for a bit on Wednesday night, but if not don't really mind.

I think this because while I really like FF14 it's just sorta routine. I log on do my 10 mins of retainer restock on items selling on MB, maybe do 15-20 mins of beast tribe dailies for the class I'm leveling, maybe run 1 dungeon, I do my 1 minute gold saucer scratch off, on Friday's I do my fashion report, sunday's I check the lottery and buy new cards. On Tuesdays I run the 12 custom deliveries with a crafter in 15-20 mins for scrips I use to buy items I sell for more $$, and Tuesday I go to Doma and donate 20,000 moneybags to get $40,000 back.

And that's pretty much all I do since I've backed off from the Savage/Ex raiding and not caring about gearing up past the point of high enough ilevel to run all the bosses/dungeons/raids. I'm only like i384 with my NIN and around i380 with my DRK and I have no desire to up my ilevel because what's the point since I'm not doing current patch Ex bosses and Raids /shrug


I'm hoping with the new expansion I'll at least get back in the raid cycle of running the normal version of each raid every week to get my 4 drops and full armor set. That was pretty fun with Omega and something more to do.

I find FFXIV at this point my just a therapeutic relaxing place to log on, do my stuff, maybe do a dungeon and log off. Listen to some nice music, have a little human interaction (though playing Healer these tanks :maf ).

Welp, time to log on and do some stuff.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 22, 2019, 02:18:05 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/3eNzA8bh.jpg)

Ended up doing 53->55 with my WHM. Healing gets real in the 50s. Here I am doing Medica regen + normal regen + asylum regen circles and everyone is pretty much auto-healed and I just dps. I did my first 8-man raid with 2 healers with Ravana at 53 and it was kind of hilarious. Unlike MT/OT, feels like there's no synch between the two healers and it's just like HEY LETS DO THIS and suddenly there's like 6 regens on the tank and just healing whoever is getting hit and if someone dies time to swiftcast->raise. I like putting regens on the other healer because A) If they stay alive, that's less work for me to do healing everyone yay, and B) just feels like professional courtesy.

Also tried my first 24 man alliance raid healing and it's also kinda lolz but it's so easy with how much they've dumbed down Crystal Tower that can just spam Medica II all the time and keep everyone alive and regen-ing.

Otoh I'm kind of over leveling roulette. I got Hatali and lvl.23 or something can't do anything so it's just like 30-40 mins of casting DoT DoT DoT cure 1 dps dps cure 1 dps dps zzz. Also Alliance Raid pays out almost the xp and it's quick and fun lvl.50 runs with some neat looking loot grabs too (I got a nice dress for my WHM since healing is NOTHING BUT DRESSES AND SHORT SKIRTS FOR MEN :P), so I think I'll stick to running the latest dungeon and an alliance roulette each day to get like 1 level per day.

7 days until Shadowbringers and 15 levels to go...yeah I don't think I'm gonna get there. But I'd like to at least get to lvl.60 so I can run stuff in the 60s with my WHM while everyone is leveling their guntanks and dancers in the 60s.

When I get my NIN/DRK/WHM to 80, not sure what I'll main. I feel like for dungeons I wanna tank and for bosses I either wanna heal or DPS. Tanking feels so boring in boss fights just standing on the boss hitting them with 1-2-3 and cooldown before tankbusters and DPS generally feels boring in dungeons because of AoE AoE AoE AoE. Tank is fun in dungeons because you wanna try to pull a bunch without dying so glass cannon running is fun. Also fun healing and watching the chaos from behind. DPS in bosses is fun with all the patterns to dodge and Healing is fun in bosses for the AHHHH HOW DO I PULL THIS OFF EVERYONE KEEPS GETTING HIT adhd of it.

Finally, the Lily Gauge for WHM is the dumbest gauge I've seen yet considering it's 100% passive and you have no interaction with it unlike the NIN's magic meter and DRK's blood meter which you pull moves off of. Would have rather had healing moves that use Lilies or something than just it passively reducing recast times for a couple spells.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 22, 2019, 02:30:18 AM
Beb you seem to be treating it like a job .  :doge

Coming from someone with a slightly addictive personality, back off on the daily shit, it isn't worth it. That said I have made like 2M in the last 2 weeks on 10 minute MB stuff so what do I know lol. I got a bit deep into crafting in HW but realized the hustle I was applying to the game could have been applied to RL and refocused. Gaming in general is a waste of time, MMO timesinks tend to be even more poisonous in general but they are fun. Just have to watch it.

The expansion will either be good or bad, I wouldn't judge much right now. At the end of the day it's a content dump, I was not hype at all a few weeks ago, but it looks better than I expected tbh. The class changes are pretty wild, I don't really care about either new class, but I still haven't even fucked with BLU/RDM/MCH (which is all new apparently) so there is tons to do once I finish the content with my WHM. They seem to be buffing SMN, BRD, and DRK somewhat as well and those are the ones I am dabbling in. Eh, I think it will be crack for a month or two.

The genius move of FFXI and XIV is adapting the job system to where your one character has access to all the carrots. The thing I like about XIV past 2.0 is it has at least the notion of respecting your time. They are just cognizant of the fact that their bread is buttered by crazy people.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 22, 2019, 02:32:08 AM
WHM from what I am seeing may suck soon, this lily bullshit we were all worried about in SB may actually matter now.  :exxy
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 22, 2019, 03:11:39 AM
Haha, that sounds exciting to me. Would rather have Lilies do something rather than nothing.

Beb you seem to be treating it like a job .  :doge

Coming from someone with a slightly addictive personality, back off on the daily shit, it isn't worth it. That said I have made like 2M in the last 2 weeks on 10 minute MB stuff so what do I know lol. I got a bit deep into crafting in HW but realized the hustle I was applying to the game could have been applied to RL and refocused. Gaming in general is a waste of time, MMO timesinks tend to be even more poisonous in general but they are fun. Just have to watch it.

The expansion will either be good or bad, I wouldn't judge much right now. At the end of the day it's a content dump, I was not hype at all a few weeks ago, but it looks better than I expected tbh. The class changes are pretty wild, I don't really care about either new class, but I still haven't even fucked with BLU/RDM/MCH (which is all new apparently) so there is tons to do once I finish the content with my WHM. They seem to be buffing SMN, BRD, and DRK somewhat as well and those are the ones I am dabbling in. Eh, I think it will be crack for a month or two.

The genius move of FFXI and XIV is adapting the job system to where your one character has access to all the carrots. The thing I like about XIV past 2.0 is it has at least the notion of respecting your time. They are just cognizant of the fact that their bread is buttered by crazy people.

Nah, I don’t treat it like a job, the 5-20 min daily stuff I do in the morning while drinking coffee and waiting to hit the bathroom before heading to work. Some people read newspapers, I go on and make 300-500k gil a morning and get some more mgp toward my 2 million mgp Cactuar mount that I will eventually get because it’s the only worthwhile mgp thing there is lol I also like checking my retainers each morning because I have them all on quick exploration and I like checking out all the random gear they get. Have gotten some neat glamor from it and rest I dump for GC seals which I use for ventures and the cycle continues.

In terms of doing dungeons or roulettes I just do them on nights where I’m bored like tonight. Trust me, if I have anything better going on I do it.

Also, just like during the SB cycle I gave up on

-raiding
-gear progression past minimum needed for normal content

Outside of this DRK/WHM alt jobs that I only even started last month, I’ve got zero desire to max all jobs or anything. If I have one dps, one tank, one healer I’m pretty happy although I may dabble in Dancer to try out ranged dps experience plus I wanna dance during fights.

A lot of my FF14 time has been catching up. Getting all the content done with my NIN (every dungeon, raid, trial, most ex, about half savage), getting all crafters/ gatherers maxed and now getting DRK and WHM. I also took six months off the game last fall. I feel like with Shadowbringers since I’m mostly caught up I can probably get everything I want to 80 in the first 2-3 months and then I won’t be playing much, just hop in one night a week for normal raids and not even that during odd patches since 24man raids aren’t that repayable to me (I’ve still only done Orbome once).

Plus once it’s fall/winter/2020 there’s a lot of other games out I want to play.

But summer is pretty much just gonna be real life fun stuff and Shadowbringers for gaming.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 22, 2019, 03:16:30 AM
And stuff like Eureka and relics I don’t even touch, because like you said the game generally respects your time and for optional stuff like that which doesn’t...pass for me.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 22, 2019, 03:24:59 AM
you are making way more $$ than me on the morning check.  :lol

I get where you are coming from, I way gave up on raiding/top gear etc as more time than I want to spend, in addition to any social BS. I know I will like heals even if I need to bring up my SCH instead. Even liking tanking more, and looking forward to new crafts/gather...SB is going to eat my summer gaming time.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 22, 2019, 09:58:10 AM
Quote
I go on and make 300-500k gil a morning

 :leon goddamn
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 22, 2019, 01:04:21 PM
yellow scrip items (from custom delivery trade-ins each week) sell good yo ;)

Without those I probably make like 100-200k from NPC vendor resells.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Chooky on June 22, 2019, 01:29:17 PM
welp SE claimed my card info was incorrect and cancelled my Shadowbringers CE. fucking end me rn plz
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 22, 2019, 01:32:54 PM
welp SE claimed my card info was incorrect and cancelled my Shadowbringers CE. fucking end me rn plz

 :(
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 23, 2019, 02:53:21 AM
Halfway to lvl.58 now. I went from feeling amazingly badass as a healer doing triple regen bursts of Medica II + Regen + Asylum with Asize bursts of healing and MP restoration; like everyone on the team constantly regen-ing and at full HP ez pz; to doing THE VAULT at lvl.57 and holy shit everyone is still taking mad damage with 3 regens on ffffuck. Got through it ok but yeah had to use Benediction a few times to heal the tank or someone else because there were times when the tank was just melting faster than I could heal with Cure II/Cure II/Cure II while on 3 regens + 1 shield. Might just need to up my gear since last set was lvl.55. Almost at Shire Gear. I think I have enough Poetics left over to suit up once I hit 60.

Bismark at 57 was fun too, definitely noticing people taking more damage at this point, so gotta heal faster.

Crystal Tower alliance raids are ez fun though. Just medica II all day and DPS yay yay
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 23, 2019, 11:39:34 AM
In the 50's & 60's should be pretty big stat gains every few levels yeah? It sucks when so close to 60/free gear, but may want to upgrade at least weapon/body/pantsu. You are getting into the real game as far as healing goes though, you can generally tell what runs will be work pretty early. We will see how changes affect as they seem to be simplifying it, but note they removed the restriction on holy, so hopefully it doesn't descend into WHM=holy battery.

Speaking of real game, I was tanking so poorly last night. Had back-to-back runs of Vale > Darkhold and hadn't ran in forever, didn't read up on the tanking strats as well. Going through the roulette is super quick, but it's kind of a bad way to level as you don't get to learn incrementally, it's kind of weighted towards early game content which is babby easy.

Also had been and was drinking so am sure that came into play.  :lol

Hit 50 on WAR which finally matches (and shares gear) with my 1.0 charity PLD, which may finally come out of retirement soon. I loved PLD in XI but it never really gelled for me in XIV...although I amliking WAR and depending on changes will see how much translates over. I am not huge on DRK but they are moving the tank skill way earlier so it should become a bit easier? I need to read up on it. All that said I think I am going to park the tanks until after running through the expansion for the most part. With skills changing don't want to get too many unnecessary bad habits. Need to kind of stop XP to get maxed rested bonus as well to at least try some to minimize the upcoming gates, but likely won't, hopefully they pace it pretty well.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 25, 2019, 09:26:50 AM
Got to 3.4 (halfway through maybe?) yesterday so it's tight but I think I'll be able to finish HW before the expansion hits this week. I liked how Titan gets summoned in dramatic fashion and Alphinaud is like "Please just handle this shit and do Titan Hardmode again real quick" like it ain't no thing. :lol

I'm clearly also not the only one on this HW rush cause I've seen a lot of the same names in these story dungeon queues heh
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 26, 2019, 03:21:40 AM
Was out on social/date stuff so just barely had time to squeeze into lvl.60 with my WHM just now. All geared up in Shire gear. Will do lvl.60 quest tomorrow and get into Stormblood on the last day of SB. At 74,901,000 gil. Goal was to hit 75 mil before Shadowbringers, should make it!

Once Shadowbringers hits will need to figure out whether I want to rush the new 70-80 content with my NIN or DRK or do some of that and a save a couple roulettes for my WHM to get from 60-70. I'm guessing I'll want all the roulette going to my main Shadowbringers character, so WHM probably getting put on hold until at least one of those 2 is lvl.80. Then probably do WHM next since I'm actually really enjoying healing. To be honest I might just main a healer from now on. It's a pretty feel good job and also feels like you don't need to know the dungeon/boss mechanics as much as everyone else although in dungeons if you die on a boss from a mechanic and the whole party has to wipe because there's no healing...yeah that's bad. Although I had that happen once like midway through a dungeon boss and the WAR and 2 DPS managed to stay alive for like 5 mins and beat the boss without a healer. Was impressive.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 26, 2019, 09:11:26 AM
Barely had time to play last night but got to 3.5. Almost there...though I suppose there's no actual reason to rush since I still have to play SB and I'm betting the servers will be busted on Friday. Oh well!

5.0 preliminary patch notes are up.
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/d65aa2c282957d3d0fde9e8979c62bcebe5aa9f5

I know it was already 98% confirmed but now it's 100% confirmed that DNC will only require level 60 to accept the quest and its in Limsa :D
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 26, 2019, 07:54:49 PM
Guess that's about a wrap for 4.0.

I will have a level or so of rested XP assuming servers cooperate, which they won't. As long as it's not an absolute shitshow on Saturday I'll be happy.

Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 26, 2019, 09:05:55 PM
I wish I could take Friday off work to play this day 1. I never take time off for games because you can play them whenever, but the day 1 aspect of MMO where you get a million people in the starting area doing fates and hunts and rauban-ex and stuff is awesome. I at least am free on Friday night so I can jump on around 7pm and play all night, but I wish I could start in the morning. I've been out sick too much lately and behind on way too much at work to take a day off just when I'm getting back to full time working ><

Saturday & Sunday I've got some social stuff but should be able to play at least half days on both.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 27, 2019, 01:15:52 AM
Go my White Mage to lvl.61, yeah Healer is the best. There's no other class I've tried that makes you feel so badass. Most of the time you're just casually carrying the tank with regens, carrying the dps for mistakes, dps-ing like crazy, holy spam on mobs with Assize finishers, with plenty of extra healing from cooldowns like Benediction and Tettragram to the point where you hardly even need to use cure/cure II. Regens + cooldown basically do enough so you can spend your GCDs just doing dps. You feel pretty invincible, well at least until all the mobs start whacking on you because you're drawing the most aggro and you're spamming benediction on yourself and trying to stay alive until the tank gets these adds off your ass.

Really fun job. Way more fun than Dark Knight was, though hopefully that gets a little better in Shadowbringers.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 27, 2019, 02:48:53 AM
I say that and then in the first dungeon of Stormblood, siren sea, the tank with full size pulls is burning HP so much even with 3 regents and shield that I’m spending all my GCDs on cure II spam with an occasional holy if I have room for one non cure II rotation. Hard to dps on full pulls.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 27, 2019, 09:09:38 AM
Never know what you are gonna get.  :lol

I used to use swiftcast>aero 3 to help some on group pulls until had a handle on the heals, but they are taking that away. I don't remember what level that was at anyway.

Seems job guides  are updated (https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/whitemage/), I am not really liking the changes at a glance. WHM getting more instant heals which is good, but more GMD/mechanic DPS to manage, which is annoying. And they cut the duration of Medica 2 in half.  :maf

Bard changes are looking tasty.

Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 27, 2019, 09:35:13 AM
Yeah Bard is looking solid. Too bad Straight Shot doesn't give a crit bonus any more but otherwise it seems like all the changes make the job work more smoothly and make more sense rather than each song kinda being it's own thing.

Maybe it's just cause its early and the coffee hasn't kicked in but reading through the Dancer guide I'm confused as hell :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 27, 2019, 02:00:12 PM
I saw on reddit someone posted the senor sabotender ice cream face and a moogle one too. that and yours are really cool!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 27, 2019, 05:28:50 PM
Debating whether to stay up to 2am tonight for launch and check out the first new area. Haven't been getting to sleep until like 3-4am lately anyhow and if I remember right when Stormblood started the servers actually went up early like around midnight-1am.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 27, 2019, 06:14:21 PM
Ideally would check it out first thing in AM. Wonder when pre-load goes live.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 27, 2019, 07:00:27 PM
i gotta be at work at 630a so that ain't happening for me :'(
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 27, 2019, 07:28:56 PM
i gotta be at work at 630a so that ain't happening for me :'(

 :'(

I am going to try and work from home a half day but there is a strong possibility you won't be missing anything lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 27, 2019, 07:41:36 PM
I just wanna see what server breaking shenanigans there are this time  8)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 27, 2019, 07:44:15 PM
Ya I did this dance for every wow xpac (and ffxiv 1.0 and arr) so I know by now that the best time to take off to play a new mmo is about a week after it comes out :lol

that being said, it's my birthday tomorrow so square needs to let me on and no one else. 8)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 27, 2019, 08:03:26 PM
Stormblood was my first but I remember the Rauban thing not getting fixed for what felt like days and pretty much just fucked around killing A rank hunts with 100 people and fates for the first day then it was just depressing and everyone standing around doing nothing until it got fixed. I don't think there was any real progress until like after the first weekend.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 27, 2019, 08:04:22 PM
Ya I did this dance for every wow xpac (and ffxiv 1.0 and arr) so I know by now that the best time to take off to play a new mmo is about a week after it comes out :lol

that being said, it's my birthday tomorrow so square needs to let me on and no one else. 8)


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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 27, 2019, 08:09:48 PM
Stormblood was my first but I remember the Rauban thing not getting fixed for what felt like days and pretty much just fucked around killing A rank hunts with 100 people and fates for the first day then it was just depressing and everyone standing around doing nothing until it got fixed. I don't think there was any real progress until like after the first weekend.

Main thing I care about is getting on/servers being up. If for some reason MSQ is borked I have plenty of other DoH/lowbie jobs to level. Sorry rested XP I tried.  :trumps
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 27, 2019, 08:51:37 PM
Stormblood was my first but I remember the Rauban thing not getting fixed for what felt like days and pretty much just fucked around killing A rank hunts with 100 people and fates for the first day then it was just depressing and everyone standing around doing nothing until it got fixed. I don't think there was any real progress until like after the first weekend.

Main thing I care about is getting on/servers being up. If for some reason MSQ is borked I have plenty of other DoH/lowbie jobs to level. Sorry rested XP I tried.  :trumps

Good point. When Stormblood hit I only had NIN and FSH at 60 so all I could do was fish in the first lake and catch like 2 things or dick around with NIN. Now that I have MIN/BOT and all crafters, I can gather stuff in the starting area and craft with it if the MSQ is borked.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 27, 2019, 09:31:15 PM
PC/PS4 download is up.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 28, 2019, 07:23:06 AM
Played a couple hours. I'm good and ready to sleep.

There's not much to mine/bot/fish in the early areas and they really made the starting crafting vendor gear require a ton of items for each piece, hmmm. Just gonna play the story for a while and open up the maps more so I can gather/craft.

Looks like DRK is super changed up, I hardly recognize it. NIN seems similar with changes.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 28, 2019, 08:29:46 AM
I'm tempted to take a half day today to get some time in, even if it'll be spent finishing 3.5 and then on to SB :doge

Also for those with higher hz monitors, someone on reddit put out an FPS uncapper for 14, since it is capped at 90fps for some reason now
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/c6fccl/fps_uncapper_for_shadowbringers/
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 28, 2019, 03:27:48 PM
Was connected all day lol. Just booted me, 162 in queue.  :-\
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 28, 2019, 05:23:57 PM
I don't really understand how queues work. I thought it was like the world is full and 100 people have to log out and leave for the queue to go down by 100. But when servers went up I was in queue 879 and every couple mins it dropped down 100 and I got in, in about 10 mins.

But there's no way hundreds of people got into the world and quit within the first 5 mins of getting in on the new expansion.


Also I got a crash last night and got kicked out. Luckily it was 3:30am and I got back in with no queue after, but yeah there may be some crash issues. Otherwise launch seems smooth, but yeah the new city was running like a slideshow for me too.

Additionally, my head is killing me today from lack of sleep, so yeah, not staying up for next expansion. Too old for this.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 28, 2019, 07:21:24 PM
Hmmmm, I need to put a real amount of time in it before I can figure out what I think. I feel like in a game like this there's no way to tell how a city is until you've been there a while (and it's not 5fps), areas are until you've fully explored them and can fly around, battle system is until you hit lvl.80 with full rotation, story is until you've seen it all, etc...
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 28, 2019, 07:48:38 PM
Yeah, ShadowBringers isn’t even done. Some of the best Stormblood stuff was after the base game.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 28, 2019, 08:37:12 PM
I reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally like Ishgard and Shirogane.

Also having not watched any of the trailers I'm just not sure how I feel about location-wise this expansion taking place

spoiler (click to show/hide)
In basically alternate universe ARR maps

vs all new fantasy maps to explore like Othard. Plus this being a post-apocalyptic world, at least some of it is just another wasteland, just like the Ala Mhigo wasteland and most likely the Garlamead wasteland in some future expansion.

I want all my maps to be beautiful fantastic locations like Othard's 3 maps in Stormblood. I am not a fan of wasteland ruins.
[close]

But again, I've only dipped my toes into this expansion, will need 50 hours+ of it to decide whether I like it or not.

anyhow, just got home, time to get in the queue!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 28, 2019, 08:43:50 PM
Wow, queue was only 13 people, so instant. I'm surprised?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 28, 2019, 09:04:02 PM
So I'm trying to main DRK since I realized it's really dumb switching back and forth between my lvl.70 NIN & lvl.70 DRK since the 2nd one levels quicker if the first one is higher and there's only enough story MSQ xp for one job and alternating will fuck me.

But I don't even know how to play this lvl.70 DRK. They changed like everything about the job jeez. Gonna have to spend 15 mins just re-reading all the attack descriptions and making a new crossbar.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 28, 2019, 11:09:30 PM
Got up to the pixies , about to hit 73 but going kinda slow. Guy next to me dinged 76 which is pretty wild. Loving the Xpac, much better than StB so far.

Haven't looked at anything but MSQ. Hopefully servers stronk tomorrow as well.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 29, 2019, 03:17:54 AM
I dunno how people are getting so far, so fast! I played another 4 hours today so maybe 6ish hours in and I've only cleared one of the two starting MSQs and a little bit into the other. I just hit lvl.71 with my DRK. Haven't got to a dungeon yet, feels like it's taking foreeeeever to get past this intro and to the first dungeon.

I got the hang of Shadowbringers DRK and it's interesting. They basically turned DRK into a NIN with the Darkside meter being its Hutton gauge. Feels pretty good and Delerium being 12 seconds of free cast Bloodspillers or Quietus is a really nice damage burst for single target or AoE.

however

I went looking for my lvl.70 job quest for DRK to start and couldn't find it and looked it up and it seems like THEY GOT RID OF THE JOB QUESTS WHAT THE FUCK THAT IS HALF THE REASON I PLAY MULTIPLE JOBS JFC. I see that there's some generic ass role quests and ONE whopping job quest at 80. That's incredibly disappointing. The only reason I picked up DRK was because people said the job questline was really good and the 40-50 and 60-70 storylines were pretty good! Look, I get that it takes the team a lot of work to make 4-5 job quests for each job and tell a mini-story for each, but that's their freaking job and what they are being paid to do. Shit, even crafters/gatherers look like they've lost their storylines and those were some of my favorite parts of the jobs were the stories each job would tell.

Honestly, this almost makes me want to bail on the game if this is the direction going forward and they're just done with telling individual mini-stories for every job. While I like the MSQ and raids and stuff for storylines, the game is about a veriety of stories and cutting all these storylines is bullshit. It was one of the things I look to the most for each new expansion is the new job storylines for each. Very unhappy with this change.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 29, 2019, 07:28:57 AM
Beb I get where you are coming from as I really liked them too, but a lot of them were filler if being honest. I am ok with a great quest/final exam at the end, they have earned benefit of the doubt with what I've seen so far. A good multi-part quest at the end could have close to the same amount of content yet be more focused, if that's the case I am ok with it, although I won't see many for a while.  :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 29, 2019, 05:58:07 PM
One thing I'm noticing is the world seems a little underpopulated for opening weekend for a new expansion. Not sure 3 instances are really needed, not having much issue with queues. Maybe the added servers are helping spread players out.

I decided to turn off all my chats (FC & Linkshells, Say/Tell/Shouts) and am just going slowly at my own pace. Everyone's already so far ahead and clearing the MSQ and Ex bosses that I'm finding it better to just ignore everyone else's progression and just play at my own pace. Also I get super burnt out on MSQ quest after MSQ quest in FF14, so I try to gather some collectibles and do some sidequests in each spot as I move along to space it out.

On the neutering of job quests, my thoughts before seeing these lvl.80 quests are:

1) Their excuse is kinda bullshit, if they some were filler, it's because they couldn't come up with anything good and that's on them. Also the production values were already fairly good in HW/Stormblood, so I dunno what they're talking about needing better production values.

2) Not having it piecemealed as you progress in the new world is disappointing because like for Dark Knight this would have been a really interesting location for Fray to comment on as you progress in it.

3) Even if the lvl.80 job quests end up being pretty good stories almost as much as the previous job stories, crafters/gatherers don't have lvl.80 job quests so they've still cut them out. From what I gather there are still job questlines for those starting at lvl.70, but they're merging miner/bot, blacksmith/armorer/gsm, etc... so it's still ditching the individual stuff which is lame. And Miners and Botanists are nothing alike story-wise :X Fisher still looks to get its own storyline because no other job can combine with fishing, thankfully.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on June 29, 2019, 06:01:20 PM
I feel like I'm flailing a bit with Dancer but progressing through Stormblood slowly. Either way, new job means an excuse for a new look!

(https://u.cubeupload.com/nws/ffxivdx1120190629152.png)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 29, 2019, 06:47:21 PM
Dancer looks way better on women than guys. My dude does not look like a sexy male dancer :(
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Chooky on June 29, 2019, 09:20:58 PM
i'd imagine the instances are just as much about framerate as they are about server load. a crowded crystarium - like kugane two years ago - fucking chugs on a base ps4. least they don't have weather effects this time around.

i have to say again that i'm continually impressed by how the game keeps plotlines and characters going for years at a time. i haven't left the first town yet but there's already references to characters that haven't been around for years. i really hope the writers stick around til the end (which shouldn't be too many more years...) because the care and attention they give to the world is something i haven't seen since the mass effect trilogy. i love it.

haven't done combat in the new zones yet but i finished up the ivalice quest today. a lot of people seemed to be stumbling with their character classes, but i play yoshi-p's chosen class, the BLM, i didn't see hardly any differences in how it plays before. i'm not mad, bc i liked it in SB, but i hope the lvl 80 additions are cool at least.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 29, 2019, 09:54:48 PM
Took a break almost at 75, will probably go back for more later. Had entire day to play but got sidetracked running MNR/BOT up a level each. And instance servers were down for an hour or two, which gave me a bit too long in a certain area (moogle flashbacks). The dungeons & trial so far are great.

I was going to play around more with other classes (did alliance roulette with BRD), but that just eats rested XP, need to run up to 80 to get armoury bonus again!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 29, 2019, 10:20:04 PM
i'd imagine the instances are just as much about framerate as they are about server load. a crowded crystarium - like kugane two years ago - fucking chugs on a base ps4. least they don't have weather effects this time around.

i have to say again that i'm continually impressed by how the game keeps plotlines and characters going for years at a time. i haven't left the first town yet but there's already references to characters that haven't been around for years. i really hope the writers stick around til the end (which shouldn't be too many more years...) because the care and attention they give to the world is something i haven't seen since the mass effect trilogy. i love it.

haven't done combat in the new zones yet but i finished up the ivalice quest today. a lot of people seemed to be stumbling with their character classes, but i play yoshi-p's chosen class, the BLM, i didn't see hardly any differences in how it plays before. i'm not mad, bc i liked it in SB, but i hope the lvl 80 additions are cool at least.

Yeah, I took a break from Shadowbringers today and did lvl.60 White Mage stuff and WHM seems pretty much the same outside lack of protect, no aero 3 and medica II duration being shorter.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 30, 2019, 12:30:36 AM
Cleared the first dungeon. Was pretty good. Enjoying the story and maps more now. First time tanking a current content dungeon. I think I did ok considering I'm just making up my own rotation with this new style DRK job. I feel like 1 on 1 DRK is almost invincible since The Blackest Night shield pretty much zeros out tankbuster and between soul eater heals and abyssal heals and cooldowns DRK seems pretty strong defensively. My whole party wiped on the final boss of the dungeon and I kept at him 1 on 1 for a while and then suicided because he had way too much health for me to DPS down alone and felt bad for my dead team just sitting there. About halfway through 71 bar now.

I've been trying to gather along the way in the first 3 maps but there hasn't been many lvl.70 gathering spots. Like in Lakewood I'm not sensing either mining or botany, same with the area outside Eulmore. Been stopping to fish a lot though. Bot/Min are almost at 71 and Fsh is about halfway.

Not touching the crafters until I actually can gather the mats myself.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 30, 2019, 02:17:29 AM
Gatherers are useless till 71, you get a charity level with turn-ins. Do botany lol.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 30, 2019, 07:14:27 AM
Oh and I really like the concept that sidequests are level synced in terms of xp give making it worth doing all of them at some point with first or second job.

I wish they turned all the ARR/HW/SB sidequests to this level sync as it’s hard to justify doing old ones that pay like no xp when characters power level through those areas so quickly. You’d think they could turn all sidequests to sync xp.

Same with bumping up ARR beast tribes xp given, but that’s a separate thing.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 30, 2019, 12:18:03 PM
yup the ARR beast tribes are huge pain in the asses now outside the crafting one which is fine with turn ins. Only point in doing the others is for the mounts and stories.

Also, I'm gonna keep bringing up how the world feels surprisingly empty for a new expansion on Ultros at least. No queues and I hardly see more than 3-4 people while running around on the maps. Either they've got too many servers or the game isn't selling like Stormblood did? I miss the really packed alive feeling of that at launch. I think also spreading out between 2 cities and 3 maps early on has kinda spread people thin. I'm ready to get rid of instances and feel the crowd.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Chooky on June 30, 2019, 01:42:07 PM
i dunno, hyperion was fucking deader than dead for most of stormblood. like even rhalgar's reach would only have a couple people poking around most of the time. but the server has been packed the last two days, with people all over the place in the crystarium, gathered around every quest-giver, running around the one field map i've unlocked. did a lot of people leave ultros when they put up the new servers?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 30, 2019, 03:17:57 PM
The thing is Ultros has always been alive and after they added cross-world Ultros got crazy. I hang in Limsa because I do GC turn-ins and Limsa has been packed like crazy for last two months. Now it's kinda dead. There's people in the new city but I think the city itself having instances is making it seem a lot lighter. I don't remember Kugane having instances? I thought only fields did, but the city in this has instances splitting the players up.

Also, I wonder how the NPC party members is affecting things. When I queued for the first dungeon I had the longest wait as a tank since I started playing DRK in May. Took like 10-15 mins to pop. Not sure if that's because a lot of people are playing the dungeons with NPCs so less people queuing or that everyone is NPC/Tank because Dancer/Guntank and there's a drought of Healers. I need to get my WHM up to Shadowbringers to see if the queues are instant then.

Gonna try the NPC party members thing today. One huge advantage of doing it that way is you get all the loot which is super helpful for gearing up until endgame. I'm going to try to get the lvl.71 set for my Tank/NIN/WHM.

Got Bot and FSH to 71, just finishing up MIN to 71 now.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 30, 2019, 04:38:33 PM
Boy am I never doing that again with NPC party members as a tank

+You get more treasure, although it only gives you 1 treasure per boss chest whereas in command missions with adventurer squadron AI party you get 3
+the characters have dialogue which is kinda cool seeing them comment like an instance as you go through the dungeon

-the AI DPS do not AoE at all. Which means every enemy mob is taking down 1 enemy at a time which takes foreeeeeeeeeeever, spend most of the dungeon whacking at mobs zzzz
-Adventurer Squadron AI might be doing that too, but in Adventurer Squadron they buff their stats to like 2-3x normal levels so they still beat the crap out of enemies pretty quick unlike this where the AI seems at normal stats

Hit 71 with MIN so ready to start gathering all that sweet lvl.75 spots with BOT/MIN/FSH, about to lvl.72 with DRK and ready to move on in the story after the first dungeon now.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 30, 2019, 05:14:55 PM
Also, everything that was instant queue a week ago for tank now has a queue almost as long as DPS. Yep every roulette says "healer in need", I don't know what they were thinking adding a new tank and dps but not a new healer. They should alternate where even expansions are 2 DPS, odd expansions are tank/healer.

Oh well, more reason to get my WHM to 71 for that instant queue goodness.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on June 30, 2019, 06:16:41 PM
Instant queue is dope, but it was pretty obvious adding Tank + DPS heals would be in need for a while. I am not complaining.

Finally hit first gate of xpac today, need like half a bar to get to 76.

Still overall fun weekend but am on the tail end of being able to crack out.  :'(

Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 30, 2019, 11:52:50 PM
When & where do the crafting/gathering role stories open up? I just unlocked the tank/healer/physical dps/range dps ones.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 01, 2019, 07:14:59 AM
Should be open, As crafter talk to the girl in the crystalline mean. Pretty sure was a blue + icon.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 01, 2019, 09:18:45 AM
So DNC is a lot simpler for single target than I thought originally...and also a decent chunk less DPS than BRD. But that's fine for now. I'll roll through Stormblood with it and if I really dislike it like I did MCH originally I'll switch back. It's extremely simple at early levels too so it's def too early to judge. Main thing seems to make sure to use Standard Step every cooldown, not when it expires, as it's 1000 damage for free just for passing a quick DDR test.

Looks like Technical Step drops another 1500 for free on top of that at L70 too so there's definitely potential there.

Also I can tell there's a lot of new tanks out there (maybe former healers all fed up?) because I've had to ask like four of them in roulette to put on a defensive stance cause I'm pulling aggro with my piddly DPS. :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 01, 2019, 02:55:30 PM
Should be open, As crafter talk to the girl in the crystalline mean. Pretty sure was a blue + icon.

Not yet for me. Probably need to advance a bit more in the MSQ, I'm really going slowly there. Been spending just as much time doing daily beast tribes and duty roulette with my WHM & Fishing haha.

Finally read the changes with WHM and NIN, I guess WHM's lily gauge is better now since it's not RNG and just time-related? That way in Ex/Savage stuff you know exactly when in the fight certain extra heals become available.

NIN changes seem pretty damn minor but by doubling your ninja magic attempts and buffing 2 of the magics the DPS should definitely be higher which I guess is why they got rid of one NIN's strongest abilities that would double the damage of the next attack.

All the jobs seem a little bit simpler now though I imagine at 80 they'll get back to a normal-ish rotation. I also browsed through crafting actions and saw they pretty much gave all crafters all the necessary skills so you don't have to level every crafting job just to have the actions you need from cross-skills. That's a good decision, though a little late for me with my full set of lvl.70 crafters...

I read on era that besides cutting job quests, they also cut the Odin/Behemoth/Coerl/Ixion type fate. I imagine they did this because Ixion really fucked with the servers for the first few weeks when everyone tried to get into the instance with Ixion and now with Cross-world it'd be even more of a mess as people would be jumping worlds and all trying to get into the instance for the next spawn. If I were the team I'd add the fate in a later patch when things have died down.

I do wonder if cutting the job quests was partly because they didn't know how to fit all these NPCs in the new location. Like I'll feel sad if in 6.0 Blastyr is still sitting in the Pier 1 blacksmith/armory place in Kugane. They have all these good NPCs from the crafting/gathering stories (well mainly crafting ones) who are just sorta left somewhere where their lvl.70 quest ended. I hope in the next expansion 6.0 they come back to them and they aren't just ditched for the rest of FF14 :|
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Chooky on July 01, 2019, 05:55:26 PM
i remember i had to wait like an extra day before i could finish SB because the last area was so congested from people waiting for ixion. there was a ton of players waiting outside the map, running towards the load zone over and over again lol. shit was awful.

given how much the team likes to keep stories going, i can't imagine they'll just leave stuff where it is forever. either they'll wrap them up next expansion or they'll do something with them in a content update sometime in the next two years.

also i keep wondering if or how they'll keep this game going indefinitely. they've said for a long time that the story is supposed to wrap up in 6, but seeing as the game keeps getting more popular i can't imagine they'll let it go. at the same time i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of long-time staff move on afterwards considering they'd have been on this same project for like 15+ years.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 01, 2019, 06:29:28 PM
will be interesting to see, this is more popular than XI was at this point in its life I think (ToAUish?), but expansions just got more and more low rent. wonder if they would actually cut ties and put it in zombie mode like what happened to late-game FFXI. there are still crazies playing that though.  :lol

a few more expansions and it'll be huge/sprawling...not really ideal for new players. with how much they seem to prize accessibility will be neat to see how they manage.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Chooky on July 01, 2019, 08:21:45 PM
ffxi still has the same damn monthly fee it always had and it has a worse demo than xiv - one free month as opposed to free up til lvl 30. gets on my nerves bc i want to play it through just once but i don't wanna pay that much for something so archaic. who tf is keeping it alive?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 01, 2019, 09:48:49 PM
i go back to it once a year cause i'm a crazy person but as far as who is subbing all the time i'm kinda not sure, just seems to be people who have always subbed lol. it's definitely unlike any other mmo so it's worth experiencing just for that.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 01, 2019, 10:46:21 PM
I think they'll finish off the main story in another expansion or two. But if it's successful there's definitely room to tell new tales about smaller scale conflicts in the world. Or they just go into space and each expansion is on a new planet like Mass Effect! I mean you have Omega and Dragons coming from interstellar.

I'm more concerned at how they can keep adding to jobs while constantly removing what they add every expansion now. Like they got rid of all the excess skills and beyond at this point. What's left to even cut?

will be interesting to see, this is more popular than XI was at this point in its life I think (ToAUish?), but expansions just got more and more low rent. wonder if they would actually cut ties and put it in zombie mode like what happened to late-game FFXI. there are still crazies playing that though.  :lol

a few more expansions and it'll be huge/sprawling...not really ideal for new players. with how much they seem to prize accessibility will be neat to see how they manage.

What's zombie mode?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Chooky on July 01, 2019, 11:11:00 PM
What's left to even cut?

it's 5.0 and BLM still has a fucking sleep spell. WHY
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 01, 2019, 11:38:03 PM

What's zombie mode?

Very low effort/ life support, not actual zombies sorry.  :lol

Think Diablo 3 past few years.

They announced a mobile port a few years ago and I was kinda hype but it disappeared. SE would prob want $9.99 a month for it anyway.  :doge
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 01, 2019, 11:40:57 PM
the last big announcement i remember for ffxi was about them planning something big for the 20th anniversary, which is in 2022 :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: remy on July 02, 2019, 12:05:13 AM
Got GNB to 70 and got up to shinryu in the stormblood quest before maint so I guess I'll be doing the weird inbetween expansion stuff stuff, then shadowbringers!!

(https://i.imgur.com/DhOqy63.png)

I like my viera but I feel like her face came out a little funny.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 02, 2019, 12:24:08 AM
Did a dungeon run with NIN before maintenance. First time actually doing combat with NIN since 5.0 and hahahahaaha

NIN isn't really changed at 70 but everything is on fucking turbo mode because they like doubled all your uses and cut 3 GCD combos to 2 GCD combos and all your doing is spamming high DPS non-stop. Like I'd be real interested to see ilvl capped 4.55 lvl.70 NIN vs ilvl capped 5.0 lvl.70 NIN because I have a strong suspicious NIN is doing like 1.3x-1.5x damage over what it used to. I get that the way they "balance" is by buffing all jobs and then adjusting new content to that newly buffed level of stats, but even for that NIN seems like major DPS upgrade.

I'd say NIN's more fun to play now, very fast arcade like experience of spamming.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 02, 2019, 08:53:09 AM
I like the look of viera but no hats is a bummer, though it makes sense. Also at this point I've had this character as a miqo for 6 years so I'm used to her that way, but I do have two fantasias so I could swap back I suppose. Tough choice.

Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: remy on July 02, 2019, 10:09:26 PM
I like the look of viera but no hats is a bummer, though it makes sense. Also at this point I've had this character as a miqo for 6 years so I'm used to her that way, but I do have two fantasias so I could swap back I suppose. Tough choice.
I think they said that they’re adding them in later, I’d recommend it.

Just check out the battle voices on YouTube before committing because there are some absolutely terrible ones
the one that sounds like she's just had a sip of ice cold coke after every swing is fucking lit
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 02, 2019, 10:15:43 PM
what the fuck :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyY6NyH7FvU
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 03, 2019, 05:03:04 AM
Forgot my favorite part about expansion launches, non-stop emergency maintenance which half the time fall during nights I'd otherwise have time to play.

Midway through lvl.72 now in the start of Il Mheg. I got my NIN to 71 and did the 1st dungeon again as a DPS and that is a really really slow dungeon. Not a lot of enemies but feels like they have a lot of HP. Even with a decent team, it feels like the mobs take a while to AoE spam down and the bosses have a lot of HP.

Started on the crafting/gathering quests. Uh oh at all the crafting ones requiring real costly mats to craft, feels like this could be very expensive to finish with everyone. Not sure how the gathering ones work since the item requested isn't on the gathering lists. Will just need to look up where they are.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 03, 2019, 09:32:56 AM
bad shot but i like that for some reason the brd/mch/dnc gear in early SB stuff is some weird cowboy thing :lol haven't really had much time to play since early access but i already warned my wife that other than a morning hike tomorrow it's gonna be poopsock central the next couple day :D

(https://i.imgur.com/tCfuexT.png)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 03, 2019, 10:08:37 AM
 :lol @ voice 7.

I guess I am getting to home stretch, almost 79 and have only been XP gated once. Decided to do daily roulettes as there is zero heal queue and leave most of the quests for other jobs. Story seems to have hit a lull pacing-wise/seems like filler, but tbh maybe I am just getting burned out as have been pretty nontstop. It was OMG great all the way through the woods though, hopefully it finishes strong.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 03, 2019, 08:04:29 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/m2GjQhb.png)

guess i'm not the only one who planned to play a bunch tonight
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Chooky on July 03, 2019, 08:11:17 PM
i've seriously never had to wait more than like a minute or two to get in before, even at stormblood's launch. this is madness.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Chooky on July 03, 2019, 08:12:36 PM
although this could very well be the return of ddos dickheads
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 03, 2019, 08:25:35 PM
and there's a maintenance at midnight tonight :-\
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 03, 2019, 09:16:29 PM
and there's a maintenance at midnight tonight :-\

Yeah, I usually don't get started playing until like 8-9pm PST on weeknights, so maintenance tonight killed any chance of late night gaming since tomorrow's a holiday. Not the best timing.

*edit* tried playing but too tired so just did this week's custom deliveries lol, pretty soon my gatherers/crafters will be higher level than my main battle job. Will play a little outside 4th parties tomorrow I guess.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 04, 2019, 12:38:43 PM
Small patch: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/68f78166a6929ab637294a58f2029f6ea96e9f41

Didn't seem to change a ton but it did fix the game crashing when I tried to do in-home streaming
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 04, 2019, 02:32:03 PM
Wow, got story gated at 72 already in MSQ. I've been doing all the aethershard quests, ran the first dungeon twice and did the lvl.70/72 role quest for tank but still need about 25% xp to lvl.73. Maybe I should start running DRs with my DRK to make it through this MSQ.

I'd been wondering how the hell the story was going to get me to lvl.73 for the next dungeon/trial since you need massive XP between levels now and MSQ quests only give 500k at a time. Like to go from lvl.73 dungeon/trial to lvl.75 that's 2 levels of a ton of XP needed and shadowbringers dungeon runs barely seem to give more than like 20% XP with rested bonus + 20% bonus + 3% bonus.

Anyhow, I'm having fun with this expansion but tbh I'm pretty bored of the MSQ. For whatever reason this expansion compared to past ones I really feel how like 80% of the quests between each dungeon in the MSQ are straight up filler to sloooowly crawl you to the next level or two for the next dungeon. It's always been like that but for some reason I'm noticing it more here. I guess because I'm finding the plot pretty uninteresting and just feels like a filler story until back in Eorza. Don't really care about most of the Scions and the plot honestly feels like Shin Megami Tensei-lite.

I know it'll get better as more stuff opens up like trials/dungeons/endgame/raids, but so far I like this a lot less than Stormblood which I liked less than Heavensward, but it's still better than ARR which was baaaad. This is just ok so far to me. I like the music and that FATES now give drops to make them more worthwhile.

According to my playtime I've put around 25-30 hours into Shadowbringers so far.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 04, 2019, 03:37:18 PM
Also I noticed pretty heavily when leveling my DRK and WHM these last few months that after about early, mid-50s the xp increase gets so large that anything that’s not percentage based xp is pretty pointless since with the addition of Alliance roulette, you can pretty much gain a level at anytime within about an hour from one alliance roulette + one leveling roulette. Add in 50/60/70 dungeon roulette if you need it and you’re definitely good. Makes quest xp feel a bit pointless.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 04, 2019, 06:10:40 PM
Il Mheg is a pretty nice looking map. Stuff like this Ruby Sea/Yanxia/Azim, HW's floating island map and final Azys map are the kind of fantasy/sci-fi stuff I'm down with. The normal maps are kinda hmmm in comparison to these nice ones.

Do kinda wish the Don Mheg dungeon map was actually part of the Il Mheg map though, would've made it even better.

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(https://i.imgur.com/5wf7RSBh.jpg)
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 04, 2019, 07:21:11 PM
Wow that is really nice! Zone doesn't seem very "Warrior of Darkness" though. :lol I finally got to Kusane and it is a neat capital city. Hoping the rest of this expansion area is this cool. Also I really had a good time in Sirensong Sea and I got a new weapon, didn't realize Dancer gear was already being put into older content but I'm happy about it.

Also took a couple shots of (yet another) glamour

(https://u.cubeupload.com/nws/ffxivdx1120190704145.png)

(https://u.cubeupload.com/nws/ffxivdx1120190704170.png)



Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 04, 2019, 10:43:52 PM
Kugane is great. Really colorful fun city with nice booming music. I think it will always be my favorite city because I like all the Japaaaan pandering stuff, though surprisingly I still haven't really messed with Samurai job. Ninja is close enough.

Sirensea is cool, especially having done it again a few times lately with DRK and WHM. I think it does a good job showing the budget upgrade that Stormblood got. The whole thing where you start on a boat at sea and then it crashes into land and you continue the fight there is pretty awesome and a cool intro to Stormblood dungeons. The boss with all the black ooze splashes and stuff was neat too. Replaying Stormblood content with DRK/WHM, I really like all the Stormblood dungeons, especially now that you can blow through them quicker gear-wise. I tanked Hell's Lid in my roulette from 72->73 this morning and that was still pretty fun.

Fwiw, I do think it's a bit lame that so many jobs share gear like Dancer, Red Mage, Samurai, Blue Mage, etc... hard to make them look unique for their job outside the very few job specific gear you get each expansion. Like you get that on the tanks too since all 4 tanks wear the same gear. So my Dark Knight looks the same as any Paladin which is a bit odd considering the concept of dark/light tanks. I mean I am enjoying my deepgold blue outfit but I will swap for the next DRK artifact gear glamor once I get it so I can actually look like a dark knight.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 04, 2019, 11:08:01 PM
yeah it's pretty funny to have brd/mch/dnc all share the same gear since they have such wildly different aesthetics. i get why it happens but it still can lead to some goofy looks for a character
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 05, 2019, 12:55:06 AM
Il Mheg is pretty sweet. Got to the beast tribe and it's very magical as well. The lvl.73 dungeon was good stuff.

Was probably too hard on the MSQ. When it's going it's good and entertaining, but when you're running errands for people and the story completely stops its boring. I feel like the HW-onwards post-game MSQ is better about this since they don't have to pad with a bunch of MSQs to give you xp and help you reach the next real story point at a higher level.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 05, 2019, 04:28:37 PM
Only had to work half-day, yay. I think today's the first day since launch that I can actually play all day :D Probably make some good progress, just about at the first trial and excited for that.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 05, 2019, 06:46:45 PM
Finished the Il Mheg map arc. That was really good. I like how they made an entire story arc in 1 map like with Azim Steps. Wish every map was structured like that. But I guess every map can't have a trial at the end unless they step up their trial game.

Made it more of a satisfying finish that Titania was about as hard as an Ex battle with the group I had. Wiped so much and took an hour, failed the DPS check like 4 times before barely clearing it. Finished it with only like 20 mins remaining on the duty timer (and we had a few people drop in the middle and had to replenish). I don't even want to think about what Ex is with party finder groups right now. I mean for tanking there were 2 DRKs in a our team and the other DRK was further in the story and level sync'd to 74 while I was 73 and when I turned on tank stance I would also ways get top aggro while he was in tank stance meaning wtf is he doing for damage? DRK is very very simple at lvl.70s. Unless your in burst mode which happens each time Delerium pops (at which point you just spam Bloodletter and any non-OGCD cooldowns between Bloodletters), the rest of the time all DRK is doing is the same 1->2->3 combo over and over again while dropping a Bloodletter each time you hit 50 Blood and doing a Dark Arts move anytime your DA counter is near zero or you have near max MP and its a waste of DPS not to throw one in. I have no idea what the hell the other tank was hitting with.

Also people doing wacky stuff, like that part with the star pentagram roots AoE, is there any reason for everyone not to just follow the tank so they can keep dps-ing while in the smaller area? Because my team would like spread apart and each be trapped in separate bits and unable to attack until its over and I'm like wtf. I just stuck with the tank on it.

But yeah the main killer was on the adds section people not stacking for the stack marker after an AoE drop and people stacked would die and DPS wouldn't make it.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 06, 2019, 02:46:11 AM
The GREATWOOD MUSIC  :o

Soundtrack's been great so far, but the start of that area's arc when you first walk in...wow
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 06, 2019, 03:34:27 AM
The GREATWOOD MUSIC  :o

Soundtrack's been great so far, but the start of that area's arc when you first walk in...wow

Best tune in the game!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ascfjJXDWjo

 :rejoice
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 06, 2019, 03:56:15 AM
I’ve been watching some FF14 music vids and I realize I really enjoy watching people wipe/die in raid videos. When it’s not me it’s just funny seeing all the ways people fuck up and die and it makes me feel better about myself and my deaths lol

Also Greatwood theme totally feels like a Xenoblade field track.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 06, 2019, 02:25:24 PM
Having a weird glitch where every letter I type in chat changes who it's directed towards. So like it'll jump from shout to alliance to party to say to tell every letter I type wtf. Almost crashed during an S-rank with a million people and been wonky since. Better reset it..

*edit* and when I alt+tab'd back from this message it crashed, so yeah, was acting funky.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 06, 2019, 02:47:23 PM
Some random thoughts:

White Mage: I dunno what 5.0 did, but did my first current-level dungeon since at lvl.63 and I'm back to MP management which hadn't been any issue in 4.55 once I was past like lvl.40. Didn't run out of MP but had to be good about using Lucid Dreaming to get MP back.

Blue Mage: With 5.0 did they raise the level cap from 50->60? Also even at 50 I don't think I've ever seen a Blue Mage in any of my lvl.50 alliance raids or lvl.50 roulettes. I'm assuming there's no way to balance a job with like 50 different attacks, so curious about how that went.

Triple Triad: Are they ever going to fix this and let you make decks with 4-star cards and one 5-star? Because it's totally bullshit you can only use 3-star cards and one 5-star but the cpu doesn't have to stick to those rules and you fight cpu all the time that have like nothing but 4-star card decks. Card games are no fun if the rules aren't the same for everyone.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Chooky on July 06, 2019, 03:06:25 PM
welp my early access ran out and i still don't have the full game since they cancelled my ps4 CE. i went to log in and it says i need to register a copy of shadowbringers so i'm completely locked out of the game now...lol :(

i know i'll cave and get the pc version, then buy the ps4 ce as soon as it's available again, because i'm fucking weak. damn you SE  :-\
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 06, 2019, 04:30:54 PM
Took a break from the MSQ and ran all my roulettes as healer. Got Dun Scaith in Alliance and I've probably only done that twice when it came out. That final fight still holds up which is rare for old content, especially that's in the DF. Lots of wipes and barely surviving in the final phase. Some people blamed it on healers getting nerfed, but idk.

At lvl.65 with my WHM, went ahead and re-geared since some of my inv was still running tome gear from lvl.60. Should be set until lvl.70 which I've already bought the full i290 set for WHM since I had a ton of poetics.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 06, 2019, 06:39:00 PM
I'm sure as I dig into ShadowBringers there will be more things that fit the Gunbreaker asthetic, but yeah Pally and DRK stuff sure doesn't.

Here's my 71 one as of now.

https://i.imgur.com/FILofVt.png
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: FatalT on July 07, 2019, 11:45:08 PM
I have the base game on both PC and PS4 but prefer playing on PS4. I last tried it out for a month on the PS4 and had a blast but has Shadowbringers made the game run any worse on the PS4 Pro or is it still the same? It ran well for me when I played it, the only downside is not having a keyboard to communicate well but I can remedy that fairly easy. I have a bluetooth keyboard somewhere and I could always use the second screen phone app probably.

I guess I'm just worried about buttons over keyboard with skills but I don't remember there being too many combinations and being able to just use a trigger to switch to another bar helped. I primarily played healer as well so I was able to chill and just watch health bars.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 09, 2019, 01:57:23 AM
Played a bunch and hit the lvl.74 wall like midway through 74. That is...a lot of xp. I did a leveling queue expecting it to fill like 50% of my bar and it only did like 20-25%, did a 50/60/70s dungeon one after and still wasn't there. Alliance Raid for tanks has a 30+ min queue so did a normal raid and a bunch of quests and got there. Made it to Fanow, area looks pretty nice. Will try to get to the lvl.75 dungeon next time.

Hoping to get to 80 and beat the MSQ before the raid comes out so I can be there for week 1. Will be close since I think it's out in like a week and I feel like I'm only about halfway through the MSQ.


Also I got Aurum Vale (44) and Snowcloak (50) in my roulettes and man did they buff all the jobs and simplify them to the point where <50 and 50 stuff is a joke. Aurum Vale was not really that terrible now? I swear we cleared it from start to finish in like 12 mins lol. Everything just melted, was pretty crazy. I feel bad for people just starting with ARR now, the jobs are so simple until like 60 which is the old 50. It's like 60 is decent rotation, 70 is more complete rotation and 80 should be mildly complex rotation although I'm still not entirely sure about that. At least for DRK it really feels like they dumbed down the job and made it super simple rotation so far.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 09, 2019, 04:41:48 AM
Ended up playing a little further and got to the 75 dungeon and did up through the first boss with cpu to check it out. Some nice scenes before the dungeon. Liked the instance before it too. The first boss in the 75 dungeon I couldn't figure out how to dodge his main attack. Had 6 vuln stacks at the end and barely beat it lol, going to try to figure out how to dodge it next time.

One thing I don't like in this expansion is I feel like the villians are pretty lame. For as much shit as I gave Zenos for being way too OP in the story, the 3 Kingdoms general guy in this is kinda lame and ridiculous in power levels and Vaurth is straight out of Fist of the North Star ridiculousness. Hopefully as it gets towards the end this gets better.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 10, 2019, 02:48:07 AM
Only had about 2 hours to play so basically just did the lvl.75 dungeon and cutscenes after. Pretty fun, but I'm having terrible luck with loot. Not a single tank drop for my DRK and the auto-one they give you at the end was a dumb ring :(

But then another level-gate whooo, 2 levels in a row now. Kinda an odd place to do it but w/e, about 4 mil xp short of 76 so will run that dungeon a couple more times and maybe get some gear in the process before moving on. I'm guessing that the msq just gives up supplying enough xp at this point and every level the msq will give like 1/2 a level in xp and the 1/2 is hey go find it yourself? One of the things I really don't miss about the post-game MSQ in FF14 is the level-gating. I feel like these days expansions should just give 100% enough xp to get through the msq from start to finish. You've got plenty of grind with endgame and sub-jobs.

Oh well, got my flying too so 3 maps down, 3 to go for that. So much nicer doing sidequests when you can just fly around to them.

This screenshot came out nice even if there's not much to it.

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(https://i.imgur.com/RMJRCYUh.jpg)
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 10, 2019, 11:25:55 AM
I only gated once to 80 :lol

Had work so haven’t been able to play since Saturday, at last area.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 10, 2019, 12:34:09 PM
That’s...not possible if all you were doing was msq & blu + quests and a few fates, hunts each day. I mean the # of msq quests is fixed.

Were you running daily roulettes each day?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 10, 2019, 07:03:49 PM
Yeah, looking forward to talking about the plot when I finish. I like some of the Ascian stuff going on.

That’s...not possible if all you were doing was msq & blu + quests and a few fates, hunts each day. I mean the # of msq quests is fixed.

Were you running daily roulettes each day?
I did hunts and whatever sightseeing spots I saw casually, along with the leveling queue on the mornings I played. Oh, and FATEs dish out half a million exp with the boost... certain really fast, easy FATEs chain like the Godzilla looking monster in Rak'Tika

I only got level gated on ->80, (just called it a night and did the queue the next morning, and ->78 (Just finished a few FATEs and cleared my hunts)

Yeah, on weeknights I've only been getting 1-2 hours in so haven't been doing roulette queues so I can just focus on the story & a little gathering/GC turn-ins/retainer restock. Probably only doing like 1-2 fates a session too, only found one fate chains so far this expansion that was active with players.

If I can will start trying to fit in some more leveling queues. I wish the MSQ dungeons paid out better xp. I'm still on rested xp (never caught up) and +15% battle xp scroll + 3% food so I'm getting +68% on dungeon enemies and bosses but I feel like a run in a dungeon only gives a couple million xp? (like 10-20% of a level). I'd like to re-run the dungeons a few times for their cool looking gear sets (and yeah, dungeon gear sets are for glamor only since the MSQ gives you better gear anyone with the quests), but the xp payout is so little and they take a good 30-40 mins so it's hard to do it more than like 2-3 times max before it just feels like a boring grind.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: remy on July 10, 2019, 09:00:41 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/52lUWxR.png)

all the roulettes are back to  tank in need  :rejoice
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 10, 2019, 11:41:06 PM
Yeah, looking forward to talking about the plot when I finish. I like some of the Ascian stuff going on.

That’s...not possible if all you were doing was msq & blu + quests and a few fates, hunts each day. I mean the # of msq quests is fixed.

Were you running daily roulettes each day?
I did hunts and whatever sightseeing spots I saw casually, along with the leveling queue on the mornings I played. Oh, and FATEs dish out half a million exp with the boost... certain really fast, easy FATEs chain like the Godzilla looking monster in Rak'Tika

I only got level gated on ->80, (just called it a night and did the queue the next morning, and ->78 (Just finished a few FATEs and cleared my hunts)

Yeah, on weeknights I've only been getting 1-2 hours in so haven't been doing roulette queues so I can just focus on the story & a little gathering/GC turn-ins/retainer restock. Probably only doing like 1-2 fates a session too, only found one fate chains so far this expansion that was active with players.

If I can will start trying to fit in some more leveling queues. I wish the MSQ dungeons paid out better xp. I'm still on rested xp (never caught up) and +15% battle xp scroll + 3% food so I'm getting +68% on dungeon enemies and bosses but I feel like a run in a dungeon only gives a couple million xp? (like 10-20% of a level). I'd like to re-run the dungeons a few times for their cool looking gear sets (and yeah, dungeon gear sets are for glamor only since the MSQ gives you better gear anyone with the quests), but the xp payout is so little and they take a good 30-40 mins so it's hard to do it more than like 2-3 times max before it just feels like a boring grind.
Someone did the math, apparently dungeons give less exp than running older dungeons? Either that, or that they give less exp in comparison with older expansions.

That said, hunts/FATEs/roulettes are extremely boosted. Way more than they've ever been.

They also did this thing where yellow scrips get maxed out immediately & they lowered the amount for equipment... and that equipment carries your botanist/miner all the way to level 80, whereas the need to constantly gear up was part of the progression. My botanist is already level ~79.8 just by doing all the turn-ins and quests, I think I maybe grinded out a stack or two of weaver mats?

Still, they're playing around with casual progression + diversification.

The last dungeon & trial is definitely built to keep any weak players out of endgame though, even the endgame dungeons (save one final boss) are pretty easy damage sponges.

Weird on the dungeons xp. Yeah I remember older dungeons being better xp payout. The old mantra was always "do leveling roulette and then keep doing highest dungeon" but that's definitely not the most efficient now.

And yeah, I had maxed gear on all my crafters/gatherers so blue i350 gear and at 74 it still is better than all the new gear. Could see that being the case until 78 maybe, I feel like HQ 76 might be a few stats higher.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 11, 2019, 02:23:12 AM
So I was waiting for an alliance raid DR and it was a 30 min+ wait for tank so I sat in the forest just doing all the fates that popped up and I got the 4 million xp I needed in about 30 mins of that right before the queue popped. Still did that and leveling roulette run to get an 11 million xp head start into 76 which will hopefully carry me to 77, but yeah fate xp is pretty good in this, would be even better if there was more than 1 other player doing them with me since they'd go a lot faster, but still pretty quick. Next time I get story-gated will just grind fates in the highest level area I'm in.

Will pick up the story and get to the next area hopefully tomorrow.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 11, 2019, 10:43:46 AM
That’s...not possible if all you were doing was msq & blu + quests and a few fates, hunts each day. I mean the # of msq quests is fixed.

Were you running daily roulettes each day?

Roulettes erry day, almost all of the non-blue quests (past wind shards/currents, etc) were left for alt jobs.

Gonna try and power through MSQ before weekend as may not have power due to storm.  :-\
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 11, 2019, 03:33:08 PM
Was reading up last night on the 3 jobs I'm playing to see how their lvl.80 rotations are. Seems like DRK while totally changed pretty much gets nothing that changes the rotation after 72 lol and even at 80 it's still only has a single 1-2-3 combo with some burst options and a couple cooldowns. It's a really simple job and I guess they want you to focus less on rotations and dps and more on just tanking and using cooldowns often? I know most people didn't like the dark arts weaving in Stormblood, but I prefer that to this because there was more shit for me to do and fuck up and it kept me on my toes. Easy rotations are like playing rpgs and just mashing A button to attack in random battles.

Ninja job sounds like they made it more complex and you're like double/triple weaving shit everywhere, but it does -20% DPS than most other DPS jobs lol, so what I'm reading is that NIN players are kinda pissed because they have a super hard job that doesn't do good damage to reward all the hard work. The upshot is their trick attack utility for basically +10% all party damage for 10 secs every minute or so. Unlike DRK which is stuck with it's simple ass rotation until next expansion, NIN's issues sound like a just adjusting potency numbers upwards for NIN to bring it in line with other DPS would fix NIN and make it a very complex, exciting rotation that rewards skills for good damage.

White Mage job sounds basically the same as a Stormblood except Holy is a little better and they have a big nuke DPS attack and some more weaker instant heals. As healing overall is apparently down 30% in potency this expansion, all that instant heals should make the job do about the same but with a little more work having to use all your heals. So basically about the same (good) but a little weaker in potency which in turn makes it a little more exciting in play. Sounds ok.

I feel like after I get the 3 to 80 I'll probably main WHM for post-expansion content. Feels like the best middle ground of not insane rotation but not fall asleep boring either. I really liked NIN's rotation in Stormblood. It took me months to nail it consistently but was satisfying doing the opener every raid/ex fight after, if I can get this faster new rotation in maybe I'll still main NIN, but everyone is saying on Ex/Savage stuff right now no one wants NIN in their party because the DPS is worse >:(

Will be interesting to see what balancing the first patch brings. I remember PLD got nerfed in the first Stormblood patch (though they still seemed like the best tank and right now they seem like the best tank in shadowbringers as well, PLD players seem happy with the changes/additions).


Debating what job I'd do next if I want a ranged DPS. I've always been interested in Machinist, and apparently now that they fixed whatever was wrong with it in Stormblood it feels good to play. But I also like the concept of Red Mage, though what I'm reading is in Shadowbringers they barely changed/gave anything to the job at all so it's basically the same as it was in Stormblood. Or Dancer for the dancing and utility stuff, I haven't really looked into how Dancer plays, so I should look into that.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 11, 2019, 03:49:42 PM
That being said, if I go Machinist I’m buying a jump potion to 70. I’m 100% done leveling any job to 50 again. At least 50 on you got beast tribes which I haven’t finished yet (close), good dungeons, alliance roulette and a solid rotation to start with.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 11, 2019, 03:52:18 PM
haha back to Copperbell Mines with you.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 11, 2019, 04:05:17 PM
haha back to Copperbell Mines with you.

Last two leveling roulettes with DRK I got Aurum Vale & Dzeamold Darkhold :(
I bet next one gets me Cutter's Cry
feels like people are trolling shadowbringers players by making them get the shitty dungeons in leveling roulette lol

Although I do like that the dev team's idea this expansion was "let's super fuck with most of the jobs but we'll buff everything so even if they're broken they'll be fine in lower level content". ARR dungeons take like <15 mins now because everything melts so fast it doesn't matter that you only have like 4 buttons to use.

*edit*

Another observation is that if DRK is more made for tanking, probably the reason I'm not super thrilled with it is that going through the MSQ I'm almost never tanking, just DPS-ing so it's less satisfying. In endgame raids/bosses where I actually tank I might like DRK a lot more.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 12, 2019, 05:10:32 AM
Screenshots stuff

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When you're happy you made a sightseeing spot in a city:
(https://i.imgur.com/Bcigmazh.jpg)

Likewise (and lol at the floating). Those pin-point spots are EVIL
(https://i.imgur.com/v2Qjvbjh.jpg)

Random happiness:
(https://i.imgur.com/St9rrcmh.jpg)

Dragon Age 2 Camera:
(https://i.imgur.com/yLanAbIh.jpg)
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 12, 2019, 05:20:50 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/V1lqzbyh.jpg)

Also I think the game's already ready to ditch instances. Outside the Chrystarium which tends to have about 60-180 per instance depending on the time/day, I've never seen a field map pass 100 people in any instance. No Ixion or anything so people are spread around if they're still playing.

Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 12, 2019, 12:50:49 PM
Oh and so last night I was playing for a few hours and was in the Ahm Ahrang or whatever 2nd half area and was still on my way to the next teleport crystal and then BAM CONNECTION TO SERVER LOST and then I'm on the title screen and CONNECTION TO LOBBY LOST and it boots me from the game. I check and my internet connection and it's still up so I'm like wtf and then Mog Station I try to sign in and it's like you have no account and I'm all wtf is going on.

...turns out a few months ago I turned my 6 month auto-renewal off auto-renewing and my sub ran out in the middle of the night while I was playing and the game booted me  :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 12, 2019, 06:36:34 PM
I saw the servers are going offline on Monday night for Raid being up Tuesday.

How far from the end of the MSQ am I? I don't have any plans tonight or tomorrow so should get a good amount in this weekend. Just about to hit 77. Would like to finish the MSQ by Tuesday so I can jump on the (normal) raid for week 1 and get my drops.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 12, 2019, 11:05:51 PM
Oh well, that's fine. No point in crazy rushing at this spot. I'll just try to finish it by next weekend and get my week 1 raid drops over the weekend.

I don't think I'm gonna have to worry anymore about level-gating, since the 75->76 spot I've been doing a shitload of fate chains and I always do hunts if I see them (don't really go out of my way to find them, just grab new posters each day and kill any enemy I see with a marker) and I feel like I'm at least 1/2 level ahead of the MSQ where I am. Gonna keep trying to stay ahead and avoid getting gated.


One random thing I was wondering playing the other day, a dungeon enemy in this expansion ~lvl.75 dungeon is worth about 50k xp. A lvl.75 enemy on the field is worth like...3k. Like outside of ambiance, I don't understand why field monsters even exist other than the select few that are daily hunts. Like this is my first MMO and I'm used to single player rpgs where overworld enemies give normal xp that you can grind on, but here when you need 25 million, good luck grinding a 3k xp enemy. They don't even melt that fast if they're around the same level as your character.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 12, 2019, 11:28:35 PM
MSQ ended great although it dragged a bit toward the end. 

Last fight was :whew but LAWDY is it gonna suck in every other PF.

Beb I think you have a ways to go.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 13, 2019, 12:14:30 AM
Damn, didn't realize I was that far off. I mean I figure I just have 2 halves of maps to go (so basically 1 map worth) and the final dungeon map.
Sounds like a lot of stuff is going to happen  :omg
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 13, 2019, 05:11:20 AM
Got from Twine mining to the lvl.77 dungeon and did the dungeon and got my flying on, back to Chrystarium now. About halfway through lvl.77 xp-wise.

So story-wise BIG SPOILERS
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The Thancred fight got me nervous because these long scripted fights can suck if something glitches 15 mins in or something and you die and have to sit through it all again. Like this happened on the 4.55 zenos fight for me. This one went ok though.

then they kill Thancred and it's like oh shit!

then after the dungeon he's still alive and it's oh ok. I normally hate fake out deaths because you can almost always tell when a death scene isn't real and so it just feels lame and forced and you're just waiting for them to come back, but this was one of the only times it got me and I really thought Thancred was dead. Made sense, he'd been given all these cutscenes lately and flashbacks and stuff and FFXIV's just killed off main characters before, and they do that flash effect thing at the end of his death scene that made it seem like damn they really killed off another scion.

So instead of being lame when Thancred is shown still alive, it's actually kinda nice because at least I really thought he was dead and him and Y'shtola are the only good Scions. Urianger can go die in a fire with how boring he is. 4 games later and the twins are still tolerable at best.

I like Ryne though. I was really hoping they weren't going to bring Minfilia back because like a lot of the dead/ditched Scions, she was boring as hell and her JP voice is kinda of headache inducing. Plus Ryne has a better campaign the way they wrote it and actually has a good JP voice. So was really happy when they kill off Minfilia again :D

This is one of the spots in the story where I felt Shadowbringers was living up to the hype. The Thancred/Ryne sub-plot throughout was kinda annoying at times in a just talk to her way, but it worked and it built up over time to give a very satisfying scene between Thancred/Ryne when she comes back after the dungeon. I don't really remember the plot in the beginning of the game/lakeland but the fairy story had a good climax, the Night Blessed arc had a good climax, and now Ahm Araeg has had a 3rd good climax to a quest/arc as well. Story's been pretty satisfying since we got to the Fauth.
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Oh and I did the lvl.77 dungeon with AI only cause was tired and didn't want to have to play well. Other than taking like 40-45 mins, was fine. The AI is almost too good even if their dps sucks, on new bosses I can pretty much just watch what they do to learn the boss mechanics before I see them.
 
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 13, 2019, 11:07:27 PM
Thought I'd have all day to get through the msq but slept in and didn't get up until like 4pm. Lol, so much for a free day. Feeling pretty good about my xp though, did the 77 dungeon again and a leveling roulette on the 75 dungeon and an alliance raid + daily hunts and I'm halfway to lvl.79 and I haven't even gotten to the lvl.77 trial so I've got to be at least 1 level ahead xp-wise. Gonna see if the MSQ takes me to 80 from this point without any additional duty roulettes.

I also feel like playing through an expansion from start to finish as a tank for the first time has made me pretty comfortable tanking even though I only started DRK in May. Feel like I'm a pretty solid tank now. Though I still have never done a tank swap because I've never fought anything that required it. One day I will tank swap!

I've been leveling my gatherers every day from GC turn-ins and a little fishing and gathering here and there. All 3 are at lvl.75 already, so should be quick to get them to 80 once I finish the MSQ. Haven't really touched my crafters. That'll be the time consuming leveling from 70-80 for sure while I'm getting my NIN/WHM to 80 as well.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Chooky on July 13, 2019, 11:40:38 PM
man eulmore and the surrounding countryside are huuuuge. feel like i barely did anything today besides talking to npcs, and i havent even explored the northern area of the map.

also lol at them putting a strip club in this game. erps rejoicing.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 14, 2019, 04:19:23 AM
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(https://i.imgur.com/8hoUEgyh.jpg)

Best helmet is best
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also, hey they are changing things up!

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no trial at 77, but probably trial at 78 instead. BIG CHANGES :P
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Story-spoiler-stuff
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They've been doing a good job with Emelt-Sech in this expansion. It's nice having a non-one dimensional villain like Vauthry/Zenos/Ran'Jit/Evil Pope/etc....

I'm actually pretty on-board with him at this point. Would rather join up with team Ascian than team Scion.
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 14, 2019, 12:44:12 PM
Been busy lately so haven't played much but got in some time last night and made it to Susano. Fun trial with great music, I really liked it! Also I dunno if it's the same dude but his voice sounds a lot like Storm Spirit from Dota 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y_uxrk2AOk
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 14, 2019, 03:34:36 PM
Bad weather with no power loss meant could crack out some more, got to do the two level 80 dungeons. Both fun/not bad for the most part but Twinning final boss sucks to heal, that or I drank more than I thought. I kept getting zapped.  :lol

May try eden once or twice but not really hype for tbh. I am more excited about bringing up other jobs now...but will be taking it slower for a bit I think as have played a ton in past few weeks, probably a bit burnt out. Haven't unlocked DNC or GNB, touched any DoH/L past initial one level so there is a ton to do still, I will be taking time though.

Good expansion overall, think I will be playing for a while.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Chooky on July 14, 2019, 03:36:28 PM
going super slow and only just beat the first dungeon, but man the story is pretty cool so far. the game also feels larger than the previous two expansions, but maybe that's just me being so impressed right now.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: remy on July 15, 2019, 02:20:45 AM
Just did the 78 Trial

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Emet Selch stuff was pretty interesting, but not too shocking. the writing in this game... or at least in the english translation never fails to surprise me though. only jrpg where people don't speak like google translate.

Real shook by the "flashback"? of someone reading heavensward in the midst of an apocolypse suggesting it'd be better if it happened after ala mhigo is liberated?? what world is this??
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2019, 03:01:35 AM
Wait, what??? Was the 78 trial optional or something?
I just hit the lvl.79 dungeon (barely squeezed into 79) and I still haven't had any trials since lvl.73. Will do the dungeon tomorrow before servers go down.

Also, when people talk about that "part where the expansion drags for a while before getting good again" the upper rung stuff? Because man that was boring. Especially when I had to redo the instance 10 mins in and sit through all the scripted stuff again because the dumbass Exarch guy sat in too many AoEs and died :|
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: remy on July 15, 2019, 03:28:07 AM
Lol, sorry, I meant dungeon. More like 77 dungeon.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 15, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
Wait, what??? Was the 78 trial optional or something?
I just hit the lvl.79 dungeon (barely squeezed into 79) and I still haven't had any trials since lvl.73. Will do the dungeon tomorrow before servers go down.

Also, when people talk about that "part where the expansion drags for a while before getting good again" the upper rung stuff? Because man that was boring. Especially when I had to redo the instance 10 mins in and sit through all the scripted stuff again because the dumbass Exarch guy sat in too many AoEs and died :|

yes. that's the part I was talking about dragging.  :lol

it pads a bit there then there is some cool stuff, then more padding, then omg.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 15, 2019, 09:08:14 PM
Had a quest where I had to dress up as an Imperial so I needed to get a shot of that

(https://u.cubeupload.com/nws/ffxivdx1120190715190.png)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2019, 09:09:03 PM
oooh, nice shot.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 15, 2019, 09:15:21 PM
Thanks :) Got an alternate shot with my pet in the background :lol

(https://u.cubeupload.com/nws/807ffxivdx1120190715191.png)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Chooky on July 15, 2019, 09:31:56 PM
black cat is absolutely the best minion very fine taste there
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 15, 2019, 11:23:30 PM
Also created and saved a viera appearance. Maybe one day I'll pull the trigger.

(https://u.cubeupload.com/nws/e89ffxivdx1120190715202.png)

(https://u.cubeupload.com/nws/ffxivdx1120190715202.png)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2019, 11:24:54 PM
Lvl.79 dungeon was cool. Then I queued up for the trial and it popped and I confirmed only to realize I hadn't un-queued the lvl.79 dungeon and that was what popped so ended up doing it twice -_- Got me halfway to lvl.80 and filled out my right side slots in lvl.79 gear so I guess it's alright.

Trial was alright, maybe because the game's been out too long at this point but everyone knows what to do and the only thing I needed to know was to attack the tethered enemy during the dps check and the rest was just dodge stuff and keep wacking. Tatania seemed tougher, but it was earlier when fewer people knew what they are doing. I think half our party that time was new whereas I was the only new person on this 2nd trial.

So.many.cutscenes.and.minor.quests.afterwards

Was hoping to get to the final map before servers go down so I could see what it looks like but started to fall asleep in these quests so I gotta take a break and will get to the last area tomorrow. Hopefully it's pretty short and I shouldn't have to grind since I'm not that far from 80 already so maybe I can finish the MSQ tomorrow night and unlock the Eden raid? Idk, if not I'll do it Wednesday I guess.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: remy on July 15, 2019, 11:51:29 PM
Also created and saved a viera appearance. Maybe one day I'll pull the trigger.
(https://u.cubeupload.com/nws/ffxivdx1120190715202.png)
:rejoice
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 16, 2019, 01:54:25 AM
Yeah, 79 was pretty fun for tanking. Was the first dungeon where I'd almost die in pulls and really had to rotate cooldowns/popping TBN for DRK. Lotta fun. Bosses also had decent mechanics. I sorta feel like dungeons are better for tank & healer than DPS in general. For tank you can always play the fun meta-game of how much can I pull and just barely glass cannon stay alive and for healers it's the how the fuck do I keep my crazy tank alive panic mode. DPS just sit and do AoE attacks on mobs zzz, but get thrown some fun patterns on the bosses to dodge.

I did about half my role quest, yeah gonna go and finish it tomorrow before getting back to the msq.


I also think after I finish the MSQ, role quest, do the DRK 80 job quest, and do a run of the new raid tier I'm gonna take a break for a few weeks outside 1 night weekly raid run. I'm feeling pretty burnt out at this point. Like, normally I get in maybe 10-20 hours a week of gaming. I marathoned Baldur's Gate EE last month and played a ton and beat it around 40 hours in ~2 weeks. Right now I'm like 70 hours on Shadowbringers in 2 weeks all while working full time, going on multiple dates, social stuff with friends each week and 4th of July holiday stuff. At first I was taking it slow at my own pace and enjoying it, but last few days I've been kinda rushing to try to make the Eden raid and it's burning me the fuck out.

Next expansion I'm gonna say fuck being there day 1 for the raid tier pt.1 and just take my slow ass time to play regularly and take a month to get through the msq and enjoy it. While I love the day 1 of boss fights where no one knows what they're doing and it's wipe city learning mechanics, can still get that for raid tier pt.2 & pt.3 later on.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: remy on July 16, 2019, 08:40:19 AM
Just before the 79 trial.

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(https://i.imgur.com/0pBcbVH.png)

fat boy gonna get his ass put to the sword!!!
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I feel like I'm like a day behind Bebpo which has been interesting, fun. A lot of your thoughts mirror mine btw. kinda interested to see what this trial is like, but for some reason my queue is like... over ten minutes? The dungeon was great
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 16, 2019, 11:57:53 AM
Patch notes are up. RIP to the GOAT

(https://i.redd.it/lfqv89phpla31.png)

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/4ddd33c83933ec4ad3dccb0e6538bbb9e85e63e7
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 16, 2019, 01:49:42 PM
 :'(
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 16, 2019, 03:53:39 PM
Got to the last map this morning before work. Cool stuff. Only 1 teleport station again just like HW ;_; Even in Stormblood the teleport stations were always a pain away from everything gathering-wise, but at least there were 2 :(

Also one of my minor complaints is as someone whose a big fan of the new beast tribes in each expansion, having this expansion be
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parallel Eorza so the beast tribes are mostly just the ARR ones reskinned is a little disappointing. At least Il Mheg has a few new ones.

Oh and what the heck is up with Upper Rung having Red Dwarf tribe, with their own town, that's never even used. Instead of the boring questing up there, could've done something fun with the 2 dwarf tribes. Guessing they'll be related to a beast tribe or something...
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 16, 2019, 04:11:23 PM
I'd rather it be small if it's only 1 teleport tbh. Getting around that last HW map is a paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain because everything is so spread out. Someone calls a Hunt there, good luck getting to it before it's pulled :|
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 16, 2019, 05:39:35 PM
not talking spoilers yet. :kermit
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 16, 2019, 07:13:08 PM
Me and Remy'll be there soon!


Also I hope since they went all fantasy with this expansion (hence Yoshi-P's comments about making an FF that was pure fantasy without the sci-fi tech and everyone thought he was talking about FF16), that the next expansion is like SCI-FI FF and everything is crazy magitek everywhere. I want to go to space in FF8's Ragnorak next xpac!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 16, 2019, 09:51:58 PM
this random annoying kid in this nothing village in doma is gonna be a real issue. i can already tell >:(
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 17, 2019, 01:38:10 AM
Ended up hitting the gym and getting drinks with an old friend tonight instead, oh well. Remy can catch up today and tomorrow we'll both beat it ;)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 17, 2019, 08:38:38 AM
this random annoying kid in this nothing village in doma is gonna be a real issue. i can already tell >:(
well that turned out better than expected. i figured he was gonna rat me out to zenos/anime hair lady but he was a bro instead. :D
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: remy on July 17, 2019, 10:21:55 AM
Lol I went through the exact same arc with that kid.

Meanwhile, I made a bunch of progress today. Still not posting spoilers cuz this shit is god damn interesting. Shame that the last area is just that one placce with the beast tribe.

Also: I appreciate the catch up time Bebpo :D

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https://i.imgur.com/IXcpDy6.png

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 17, 2019, 07:19:40 PM
One day I will not make a new glamour before heading out to do stuff in game. Today is not that day.

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 17, 2019, 08:16:45 PM
Sidetracked by the true endgame...
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 17, 2019, 08:37:04 PM
Did the role quest through 78 since not 80 yet and then got to the MSQ part where you need it. ~5 million xp short of 80, did some Fates but 300k or 700k for xp+ still gonna take a while for 5 mil. Just gonna run a leveling queue in a bit.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 18, 2019, 03:53:55 AM
This endgame msq is neat. This is a pretty massive expansion between the MSQ, role quests, hopefully decent job quests (although they've really shredded job quests here, you don't even get your job gear set or final skill from it!), etc...

Probably not gonna finish this tonight, but hoping to get to the final dungeon soon and then just do the dungeon/trial/ending/job quest/bonus dungeons/raid set tomorrow.


Also the english translation for this expansion feels like someone just discovered the word Indolence. I don't think I've ever seen it used before and they've used it like a dozen times in the MSQ.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 18, 2019, 05:14:12 AM
Ok, got to the final dungeon, will finish tomorrow.

Story-spoilz
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Still siding more with Emelt-Sech than the main cast. Too bad we're gonna have to kill him.

(https://i.imgur.com/wcXVtxwh.jpg)

my favorite bit of the msq there:
(https://i.imgur.com/I7ikSgDh.jpg)
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 18, 2019, 03:33:14 PM
Beat the msq

That was some damn good shit.

 :lawd

I see why people give high praises for this expansion. It has some great highs, a few lows and a really strong finish. I’d say this was as good as Heavensward 3.0-3.3. Definitely a cut above Stormblood which suffered in story from the two locations split. Still, Otherd maps rule.

They could’ve ended the expansion on the previous boss and then everything after be 5.1-5.3 with this final boss being the epilogue boss, but definitely satisfying they did it this way.

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I still have some reservations with the sin eaters storyline, which seems even more like filler now and the real stuff was the endgame story.

Like you beat the Wardens and their barriers and that’s it? Doesn’t that just clear the radius of Noverant? I figured you’d fight the Wardens boss, aka this planet’s hydelin/god and restore night to the whole world.

I hope that’s where 3.1-3.3 goes. Because otherwise not super satisfied with that side of the story. Also the way MC just got rid of the light in the boss fight seems kinda deus ex machina. I thought the whole point of Ardbert’s touching and continued existence was that Ardbert was there to absorb the light and die saving the MC.

But yeah, super satisfied with Emelt-Sech. Best Final Fantasy villain since idk Sephiroth? FF has issues with developing more than one-dimensional antagonists. So this was very nice. Also basically concludes the Ascians original Zodiark plan, so it’ll be interesting what they do with the rest of them. I’m guessing they’ll give them all their own individual agendas at this point and there will be a lot of in-fighting and some good guy Ascians at some point.

Last dungeon wasn’t too bad but had fun boss patterns. Final boss seemed a little too easy/simple in phase 1, but phase 2 was a great final boss. We lost 3 people and had to replenish. I like the DPS check at the end. I think the Ex version of this fight could be really satisfying in a God-Kefka, Neo-Exdeath/Omega kinda savage tier way.
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Now time for Eden, bonus dungeons and DRK job quest!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 18, 2019, 04:40:46 PM
Big spoilers for Shadowbringers ending:

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Yeah, I could see Eden being the big boss of light.

I also feel like they’ve been setting up Zenos trial for 5.3 since Stormblood’s after scenario. I’ll be glad when we finally get that trial and past it because honestly I feel like Zenos sucks at this point. He’s such a comical one line villian and SE is trying to make him the flagship antagonist just because he has cool armor.

Wasn’t super happy when he killed Varis. Varis actually seemed like a layered interesting antagonist who was a smart commander and was also against the Ascians. Seems like a bit of a misfire to take him out before the next expansion assuming it’s in Garlemaed. All just to put more focus on Zenos yawn. Let’s kill him in 3.3 and move on.
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 18, 2019, 05:24:05 PM
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I'm thinking that they're setting up a new threat.

The people who wrote this expansion knew what they were doing yet, they left Zenos as someone who is only going after WoL (and wants to see the power of Hydaelyn and Zodiark clash), and the last Ascian is an empty canvas for the most part.

With word that the next expansion will probably be wrapping up this story arc, I'm wondering what they plan to do.
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Yeah, I can see the next expansion wrapping everything up. I mean there's one real ascian left and garlemead is now without a leader and there's probably going to be a bunch of chaos going on. So an expansion dealing with the city and the last ascian would basically wrap everything up.

There's also some hints in Shadowbringers about what can be the next arc since Emel Secht pretty much says when something comes to threaten the entire planet are you guys going to be able to stand up to it. Next arc can deal with a major planet-wide disaster either coming from outer space, other dimensions or some internal planet issues like the ascians dealt with.

But it would be pretty funny if they kill off Eldibus in the next few patches before the next expansion and just completely end the ascian story even before that.
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 18, 2019, 06:47:12 PM
The first Eden raid is really good for a normal difficulty raid. Feels more complex like the 3rd/4th raids rather than an opening one in the first tier. I looked at some of the gear sets and Dragoon/Ninja get some nice looking sets.

*edit* Also did Twinning which was a lot of fun. The last boss is great and like mini-raid boss. Taking a break for a bit before doing the other bonus dungeon and getting back to Eden raid.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 18, 2019, 07:55:41 PM
you tanked it? I haven't tried eden yet, will do maybe next weekend or maybe tonight, will be away all weekend lol.

I think most people agree the story ended pretty well and was overall a great expansion. The healer outfits are all clownshoes though.  :'(

Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 18, 2019, 07:59:05 PM
Yeah, my NIN is still 71 and WHM is 65. Did this whole expansion as tank and have sorta gotten the hang of it.

The tank outfits all sucked outside the dwarf set and job gear. I remember Stormblood having a lot of neat sets along the way. My lvl.65 WHM blue robe is pretty rad.

(https://i.imgur.com/ydbQFSmh.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 18, 2019, 08:09:36 PM
Also re: tanking, I've been able to go into everything blind and just figure it out and it's been ok. In non-savage/ex raids so far there hasn't been anything that requires 2 tanks (still haven't shirked once yet), so basically it's not bad because even if I die the other tank can handle it until I get ressed. Also DRK's The Blackest Night is ridiculously OP and useful because you can basically throw it up everytime the boss does a new attack and hey if you fuck up you still take 0 damage or barely anything because TBN absorbs it and the cooldown is like 10 secs. Combination of both things above makes DRK pretty easy to jump in blind and learn as you go.

And there's only been 1 attack so far that required cooldowns to survive. The final boss has an attack "dual strike" on the two tanks and unless you pop something you'll die even with full HP. This was fun popping cooldowns to survive. I'd like to see more really hard hitting tankbusters that will kill you without a cooldown. I use all my cooldowns and TBN but if a boss attack doesn't do more than 20% damage (like raid-wide attacks) not even worth wasting a cooldown on.

I do like popping my -10% all party magic damage cooldown because the refresh time isn't bad and might as well pop it and buff the group a bit for a hit or two since it lasts 15 seconds. I'd like to see DRK get a stronger all-party buff like -20% magic damage for 10 seconds because that's DRK's only utility party shield/ability and -10% and only on magic attacks isn't really noticeable.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 18, 2019, 11:37:49 PM
Man, people are pretty salty right now when there's no Savage for the salty serious people to go and do their runs at. Did the 2nd Eden raid and one of the healers went off on me and the other tank because when we were dead we lost aggro and the healer got targeted. Wasn't a big deal but healer was salty af, and this is only on first wipe! We cleared it the 2nd run pretty much no problem. Good raid battle, complexity is definitely there and some of the new mechanics

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time delayed stacks/spells/player blinds
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were cool. I gotta imagine on Savage these raids are gonna be insane.
Also did the not-Twinning bonus dungeon. I really liked the first boss with the 2 sharks alternating. Thought that was really clever concept. Rest was pretty by the books.
Going into 3rd raid now...
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 18, 2019, 11:50:46 PM
Twinning not as bad as I thought once I realized lasers continue  :doge
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 19, 2019, 12:17:25 AM
My game crashes whenever 200 people are on screen flying at an S rank hunt :( This is like the 3rd time it's happened.

Also, 3rd raid battle down. Was alright, kinda easy compared to the first two so a bit boring.
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Also kinda a re-tread. Are we gonna fight a bunch more of kinda different primals? Hope not.
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 19, 2019, 01:21:08 AM
Cleared the Eden raid. The battles are all fun but I definitely prefer the first two because

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I want new cameos and exciting battles in Raids, not just fighting Alt-ARR primals in Alt-ARR Eorza /sigh
Titan was pretty funny though, especially riding his ATV lol
Graphics were a really nice improvement from their ARR counterparts for sure.

I wonder if Eden Prime should've been the 4th battle and not the first one. ATV Titan is kinda a weird final battle. Wonder how they'll change up Leviathon and Titan on Savage.

I'm also hoping that we'll just do alt-Ifrit to bring back fire and alt-Garuda to bring back wind and then call it a DAY and get back to original bosses for the remainder of the raid. Like if that's the case it would've worked better if like Tier 2 was just 4 alt-primal bosses and had it's own theme like how Omega tiers had FF5 theme and FF6 theme tiers.

Also I'm hoping for some FF8 cameos like I want the girl to be Edea or something.
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Also did the Dark Knight job quest. These lvl.80 job quests are nowhere near the length of the old 4-5 quest stories. It was solid but it took about 10 mins and didn't have any battles/instances. It was also a weird closure quest for Dark Knight in a way that seems like it's saying "goodbye job quests". Will be very interesting to see what they do next expansion and whether there are no job quests at all past this point and all the lvl.80 job quests here are just wrapping things up for the job stories.

Pretty much done with everything DRK now, all that's left is bringing up my NIN/WHM and Gatherers/Crafters to 80, their role quests and then their scrip recipes/tome books/scrip gear. Plenty of time for all of that though since no more content outside Savage until September. Will take it slow now.

*edit* damn, just looked at my steam time, ~85 hours since started Shadowbringers. Lotta game. Good stuff though. Time to take it easy for a while.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 19, 2019, 01:54:01 AM
Reading up on Eden raid impressions online and some neat tidbits:

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-Someone pointed out that the mystery knight from raid 2 uses time shifting magic in her attacks. So yeah, it’s gotta be Edea and the raid will probably go time travel at some point.

-There’s a theory that the savage version of the raid will be in reverse with Titan first and Eden Prime last (and then maybe a god Eden Prime phase) and that’ll just be chalked up to the minstrel being weird on the first. This would be cool if it happens.

-General consensus pretty much seems to be that 3 of the raids are cool & fun but Lev is a bit zzz since most of its mechanics are just Shinryu but easier. Wonder if they can mix it up enough in Savage to make it more interesting.
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 19, 2019, 09:55:10 AM
Playing a bit in FF Mongolia and I'm liking it. I like the idea of all the different tribes with totally different cultures and societies and stuff, curious how deep they will go with that. Also Lord Hien seems like a bro fo sho.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 19, 2019, 03:20:44 PM
Got my Monk and Gunbreaker to level 80. Working on Pally next. Dreading leveling my Astro because I loved the card mechanic. But that’s next followed by Samurai and Dragoon. Interested in trying Dancer, Warrior, and White Mage.

Still need to finish the story. Got to do the role quests. My feelings so far are that the story is good, but like all of XIV’s stuff I only care about the main plot. With ARR it was the stuff with Gaius, Hevansword it was the dragonsong War, Stormblood it was just Alg Mihigo, and with Shadow it’s the Ascians. When these stories take side tours and deal with small things in the world I lose interests. Shadow has been a bit better since the party this time feels well like an actual party. More so then the past expansions. Thracred feels like a real character and the subplot with Magnus actually was a good contrast with him. I’ve really liked the story so far.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 19, 2019, 10:04:30 PM
Yeah, I tried going on today and realized I'm gonna abandon my crafters. I started leveling them with leves and I've got the money to do that real quickly but sitting there grabbing a leve and turning it in and unlocking the 75-80 crafts with one class I just felt like this is tedious and pointless and why bother.

Even the gathering feels pretty pointless outside it bringing in gil through retainers. But gathering is easy enough to level just buy buying the HQ GC turn-ins each day (I'm already at 77 for all three) that I'll get them to 80 since it's like no effort. I make like 500k gil a day and buying those turn ins is like 100-150k gil max.

I did some of the gathering role quest and it's zzz, the crafting ones look expensive for zzz results. The Ishgard restoration stuff isn't out yet and Recipe Books VII aren't out yet.


Pretty much just felt over the whole crafting/gathering thing. I've felt at multiple times it was a big waste of like 500 hours of time getting them all maxed, but now going into an expansion with them at the lvl.70 full i350 blue gear, I'm just not motivated to do anything with them. Even gathering my own mats, making stuff is still a pain in the butt and needs a ton of mats and if I don't need to use the gear then it's just for selling and I have enough gil. I'm also pretty tired of making gil as ironic as that sounds. It's a pain in the ass every day to keep restocking my retainers because everything keeps selling -_-


I think I'm just gonna level my WHM & NIN and then call it a day. Cutting out the crafting/gathering stuff will make FF14 much less of a timesink than it is since once you have your battle classes to 80 there's nothing to do besides raid run once a week and fashion report fridays. Maybe I'll get them to 80 using beast tribe like I did mostly in Stormblood, but ehhhh, I think I'm out on crafting.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 20, 2019, 09:46:24 AM
I haven’t decided on crafting either. I say I will wait in the beast tribes but we’ll see. I missed the entire Namazu arc as all were already leveled.  :'(

Hopefully beast tribe is in Aumarot but pretty sure will be lol Sahagin again.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 20, 2019, 02:31:00 PM
Yeah, fighting is definitely more fun than leveling crafters. Figure I can get 1 level WHM, 1 level NIN per day pretty quick. With NIN doing FATES to get the riding maps. When I beat the game I was like where do you get riding maps for Shadowbringers? And then I looked it up and saw you need 6 fates per area and most of mine were between 2-4 with one at rank 2 already.

Also did some hunt trains and that's pretty efficient for tomes since you get 20 instead of the usual 10 for A ranks since these tomes are gonna be outdated soon as everyone gears with Eden normal/savage stuff. Bought an i440 sword for my DRK just because I dunno if I'll do the Ex primals. Also all the crystals from A hunt trains are good money for a while.

Oh and got my frog mount this morning. The flying version is greaaaat.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 21, 2019, 12:41:45 PM
Frog mount?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 21, 2019, 12:50:49 PM
It’s the Fate in Khoulia everyone screams about on the chat. Much better than Ixion in that it doesn’t need special triggers and pops all the time especially with 3 instances. You get gold cogs for a minion & mount.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 21, 2019, 02:08:04 PM
Healer just about up to 68. Lakshmi was fun to heal. Pretty much all trials/raids are fun to heal.

Had my first real bad tank experience on lvl.67 dungeon. I kinda dread everytime I see Guntank as healer. So many people jumping into it because it looks cool even though they don't know how to tank. Dude was blitzing ahead at full speed picking up every single enemy while being undergeared. Like after a wipe he'd run so far ahead (because he'd die and respawn first) and start fighting the some GIANT pull with no healer and no dps anywhere near him and then he'd die in two seconds and wonder why. He'd just run sprint into every boss and pull before everyone was even in the boss area.

I didn't want to go off on him so the extent of my crankyness was "you can go a bit slower" after which he stopped sprinting every second and did one pull at a time and we were fine.

I also accidentally did a healer LB2 in the middle of the final boss battle when I hit the wrong button which was kind of funny. Don't even know what it did.


*edit* did a leveling queue and got another bad guntank, at least not as crazy/stupid bad as earlier. But they do have a tendency to pull at maximum 100% every enemy they can in one group, not be great about cooldowns, and love sprinting ahead of the rest of the party at all times so you have to constantly sprint to catch up. No deaths in this run but normally I don't cast regen on a tank until they've finished pulling all the enemies they are gonna pull since it can generate aggro and have the new enemies target me instead, but tanks like this aren't even going to survive until the end of pulling all enemies without some healing so I just say fuck it and regen them midway and then SPAM ALL REGENS/HEALS/HOLYS as fast as possible to keep them alive. It's kinda annoying they removed the 20% damage shield from lower levels. Basically tl;dr you can tell a lot of these guntanks have never tanked before and they don't seem to care, it's making me kinda weary to use dungeon queues for leveling my WHM.

Now I'm on board with every expansion being nothing but DPS jobs added.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 21, 2019, 10:07:01 PM
Made it to 70, but I feel like I got plenty of MSQ left. Sad I'll have to finish my leveling without the megaboost earrings but I figure I'll make it to 80 pretty easily, maybe before Shadowbringers! Until I can spend my tomes on 70 gear I just spent some gil on 70 gear in Kugane and immediately got like +100 ilvl. :lol Not a massive fan of the look of the gear but it's okay with the headpiece off. It does fit with the look of a Dancer though.

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 21, 2019, 10:14:07 PM
Wait. why would you level 70-80 without Shadowbringers? Also won't the Shadowbringers MSQ feel a bit boring if you're not getting any xp and it's just hours of talking to people/cutscenes questing between dungeons/trials?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 21, 2019, 10:17:23 PM
Well I don't have much choice to keep getting XP as I go through Stormblood. :P Without the 30% buff to XP I don't think I'll actually hit 80 before Shadowbringers but it was pretty easy to hit 70 with the earring buff just from normal MSQ plus a few roulettes every day.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 21, 2019, 10:51:31 PM
Oh, you mean the story msq's left. Yeah it probably will take you a bit into 70s. I'd be surprised if you end up more than 72 from it. The XP jumps in Shadowbringers get even more exponential. Like lvl.70 in Stormblood is ~20 million xp, right? Lvl.80 is like 50+ million xp iirc.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 21, 2019, 11:07:21 PM
Damn that's some big jumps
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 21, 2019, 11:14:23 PM
Yeah, it's sort of why dungeons stop paying out as good in Shadowbringer dungeons. They're still only giving a like 3-5 million XP and that's just not much. The % based stuff like Roulettes are a lot more efficient.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 21, 2019, 11:19:32 PM
I try to do a leveling, 50/60, and trials roulette every day but sometimes DPS queues and life get in the way :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 22, 2019, 12:31:23 AM
Yeah, I hear you. On days where life exists I'll maybe do an alliance raid only (because I'm not sick of them yet and they're generally < 30 mins unless you get Orbonne [I've still never gotten any of the Ivalice raids in Alliance Raid Roulette, almost always CT raid and sometimes Void Ark raid]).

On a weekend day free I'll run Alliance, 50/60/70 because at least you have rotations, and then I'll run normal raids because they take like <10 mins and it's fun doing some of these again, and last I'll do leveling because it's such a roll of the dice whether you get something decent or you get Hauke Manor for the 30th time or Cutters Cry or other stuff that is awful. Basically I do whatever I can to avoid doing the leveling roulette.

In normal raid roulette today I got the Alexander raid with the different color injections and someone turning into a gorilla and no one remembered what the fuck you are supposed to be doing in this raid and it was amusing.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 22, 2019, 09:00:07 AM
Getting the first wing of Alexander is the best cause everyone tries their hardest to speedrun it...last time I did that it was under 3mins :lol

Last night's Leveling was Sastasha :-\ and the healer DC'd at the last boss :-\ but the tank was screaming at us for wanting to wait a min for the duty finder to find another healer :-\ so he ragequit and like 30 sec later we got a tank/healer combo and finished in about a minute :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: remy on July 22, 2019, 10:52:38 AM
@above lol at that satasha run. you would think everyone would have it down by now but it still seems to go pear shaped almost all the time. whenever I get it on a dps job there's always something going wrong

I'm still trying to find some nice gunbreaker glamour.
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Shadowbringers + eden was such a great experience. I'm really excited to see what the postgame stuff is like, and where the story goes. still tossing up whether i wanna do extreme primals. I also think I want to finally level a healer.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 22, 2019, 11:32:04 AM
Yeah it was pretty funny, tank and healer joined and were like "last boss and they both left? must have been rough." and me and the other DPS were just like "it's not what you think!!" :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 22, 2019, 04:04:30 PM
I'm surprised you found people to do it synced with. I've always had an issue with any Ex/Savage/Coil old content. I remember the hardest part about Lakshimi Ex was people getting in the right spots for the berserk state, otherwise lotta deaths and usually wipe.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 22, 2019, 04:54:51 PM
Ah, yeah that makes sense because they don't ilevel sync, so bosses from the start of the expansion that were tuned for everyone at i300, now synched are like i400.

It's always been a bit of an odd thing. Like in Alliance Raids, the first raids will be super quick because they are tuned for the i300 equivelent of each expansion and everyone gets the i400 equivalent, but then by the 3rd raid, they'll be tuned for like i360 and everyone is synched at i400. So the latter patch stuff from previous expansions will always be somewhat harder and closer to the content at the time whereas the earlier stuff will be breezy.

If I was designing FFXIV, I'd put an ilevel max cap on ex/savage/alliance/dungeons/etc... at like 40 ilevels higher than minimum to enter, so they would all be consistently similar experiences when played later on as if playing at the maximum ilevel for the content at the time (plus a little easier since jobs are consistently buffed in potency each expansion).


But that reminds me that this is a good time I should go back and try to finish off the Stormblood Ex bosses I never tried like Shinryuu, Suzaku, Tsukiyomi and Seiryuu. Last one I did at the time was Byakko Ex and it took me about a half-day of retries with a learning party. Susano Ex at launch I remember taking a couple hours to get down and Lakshimi took about an 90mins or so and was definitely the easier of the two.

Definitely tempted to try to spend a half-day with a learning party on Titania Ex for the i450 weapon since I'm not gonna do Savage so that'll be the best weapon I can get until 5.1.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 22, 2019, 07:20:11 PM
True, min ilvl isn't too bad I would think in theory just because of the job potency increases should make it more doable. I didn't notice the potency increases that much in Heavensward -> Stormblood, but from Stormblood -> Shadowbringers they really buffed everything by like 15-25% DPS output.

But I've never gone back and run stuff at minimum ilvl so idk!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 22, 2019, 10:51:20 PM
And I thought I was addicted

https://twitter.com/AweOfShe/status/1153290846600491008

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..and I am, to glamours! L70 Kugane gear looks better in red for sure

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 22, 2019, 11:50:40 PM
Got to 69 with WHM, almost at my 70 poetics gear wooo.

But man, I went 2.5 years for playing FFXIV without really raging about my teammates at all, and now suddenly every other experience as Healer is  :maf
So like if you're a tank, and it's your first time in a dungeon (going by the watching cutscene part), maybe A) Don't pull everything you can see until you hit a wall and just assume that's fine and B) Maybe don't do that while also deciding you're not going to even try to dodge a single AoE and you'll just stand still and surrounded by every enemy of that section while getting hit by every dodgeable AoE and then get annoyed when your healer who is busting their ass still can't heal fast enough to keep you alive until the end of the pull.

Fuck, on bosses this player would just sit in the middle of an AoE circle and not move an inch... :mindblown

I don't know if I have the stress management to survive as a healer in current level content. Was fine when everyone's so OP it doesn't matter. Was also fine when you're 1.5 years into an expansion and all the bad players have left and the regulars generally know how to play their roles. But right now doing queue stuff with healer is like pulling teeth way too often.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 23, 2019, 04:03:24 PM
Been reading a lot on the meta of DPS classes in complexity and DPS output since it seems that NIN is fucked right now unless the next patch on the 30th fixes things. PF groups are advertising "NO NIN" already for Ex fights /sigh

Definitely want a DPS class that is at least competitive. It sounds like after BLM which I really have no interest in, Samurai is 2nd for DPS and apparently fairly simple to play but still has some skill ceiling to play it efficiently in that range of damage. So after I get my NIN/WHM up to 80, I might do the SAM 50->80 run as my main physical DPS this expansion when I want to DPS.

For ranged DPS, since I'm just anti-BLM in concept (WHM has already shown me I don't like sitting around waiting for spells to cast), not sure what I want in the event I want to do the role quest for magical ranged dps at some point. Red Mage seems good but is apparently like the most brain dead simple job rotation and I'm already bored on DRK's rotation. Summoner sounds like NIN where it's crazy complex and doesn't necessarily bring in the numbers to justify it.

Also its interesting reading that Dancer is essentially a better NIN in this expansion. Close to the same damage, more utility and much, much easier rotation so more people can play at higher optimization of DPS vs NIN. I could never hit top optimization in FFlogs for NIN last expansion and at best was landing around the middle average, so I have a feeling my NIN optimization numbers will be even worse this expansion.

I guess some of this will change in a week as they throw bandaids in the first balance patch. But I don't expect a lot of big shakeups based on past patches.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 23, 2019, 04:23:56 PM
:thinking

and i was gonna try NIN as my next class to level after DNC. Maybe I'll go with SAM if NIN and DNC are already so similar. Funny thing is I'd figure Trick Attack would make up for any damage losses NIN would take but I guess not.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 23, 2019, 05:14:25 PM
In the past it did, but reading # crunch comparison, unless the other 7 people in your team are e-sports legendary players hitting all outputting 95% better than all other players of their class, the dps gain won't equal the dps loss from everything else. So basically with your average PF group of average players, your dps is gonna be a lot worse and you'll have more trouble hitting dps checks.

And that's with NIN playing perfectly which is incredibly hard to do with how complex it is.

Apparently Dancer has pretty bad numbers like NIN too but it has better utility and players more likely to nail the optimization. What I'm reading is if you have a DNC and a NIN your clear times are gonna be noticeably slower than PF groups without DNC/NIN and struggle more to make DPS checks. Since there are DNCs everywhere because it's a new job, it's likely any PF group has a DNC so that's why they don't want a NIN as well.

SAM definitely seems like a good job if you want a close range physical DPS right now. Monk players and Dragoon players seem generally ok with their jobs as well in this expansion. Dragoon is better off than Stormblood, whereas Monk's become pretty simple from what I'm reading.

*edit* Interestingly, I'm seeing a lot of NIN players advocating to get rid of trick attack so NIN can compete more with other DPS in personal DPS. I've always liked Trick Attack because I feel like I'm bringing something major to the party and am useful, but it almost seems like majority of NIN players don't like TA because of the TA-tax it brings to personal DPS.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 23, 2019, 05:43:16 PM
DNC is definitely easier to play than NIN from what I've read and heard. Oh well, good for me at least! :doge
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 23, 2019, 06:16:58 PM
This era post has a DPS per job breakdown on one of the Shadowbringers Ex trials. Even describes that you add 1.3% to NIN and 1.6% to DNC to those numbers because of their buffs.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/final-fantasy-xiv-shadowbringers-ot-first-world-problems.125583/page-195#post-23005548
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 24, 2019, 04:15:40 AM
Do we have a Cross World linkshell?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 24, 2019, 08:58:09 AM
Are we all on Aether data center? Should be easy to set one up if there isn't one already. Just gotta friend everyone first to add them to a CWLS
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 24, 2019, 11:57:23 AM
:rejoice XI is so weird but pretty cool. Playing DNC in XIV made me want to go back and replay it in XI cause there's a lot of shared stories in the job quests

Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 24, 2019, 04:08:15 PM
BST was a dope class but SMN was odd. I mean the XIV one is pretty odd as well, currently getting it charity leveled via SCH.

XI for me is just too old to really go back to, and never would aside from nostalgia or a reboot of some kind. If I was SE I’d finish their current plan and then put out a coast expansion with Vana Diel areas to cash in.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 24, 2019, 04:11:54 PM
BST was good cause you could actually play solo (sorta).

I played COR/NIN because I hated myself and wanted to be as useless as possible so no one would ever invite me to anything :gloomy
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on July 24, 2019, 05:30:55 PM
Is there an anti DNC / NIN vibe in PF now or something? I never went deep into endgame on XIV but it always seemed better in that respect than other MMOs.

NIN is basically all I’ve ever played seriously so here’s hoping they fix it. Not sure SE has the best track record there though.

NIN has always been one of the high skill ceiling DPS to play IIRC (other than like HW BLM) but WoW does the same shit where they don’t reward that with high end DPS.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 24, 2019, 05:35:02 PM
Only some PF groups so far. People are mostly worried that Savage which is more competitive might go in that direction. Also apparently Astrologian sucks too now and people are worried Savage groups will not take Astrologians in as a healer :|

Not sure what data center I'm on. I'm on Ultros. Definitely up for a cross-world linkshell if it's the same data center.

I always thought XI looked cool. I'd pick up the soundtracks and art books but couldn't get into it. Now after knowing what an MMO is like from FFXIV I definitely couldn't get into XI, I need all my modern QoL stuff.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: remy on July 24, 2019, 09:05:59 PM
Got innocence down to about 25% last night. I have most of the fight down as a tank but some of the sword rebound patterns whoop my ass in the later parts  :doge I also don't fully understand the popping the orb thing  :doge

Really though, I think the reason we didn't clear is we had an ast with 200dps  :doge
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 25, 2019, 03:31:00 AM
Nothing to add other than I did this weeks Eden 1.0 this morning and I really like that fight (at least as tank). It's pretty simple in retrospect now but it's just fun movements and looks great. Plus I like bosses that do raid damage magic bursts because then I can drop my Dark Missionary -10% magic buff on the whole party right before it and feel useful. That's like my 2nd favorite move after TBN and I'm glad in this expansion DRK has a raid buff so he isn't totally useless to the raid besides getting the boss's attention and staying alive.

I'm hearing the 4 tanks are all pretty balanced this time around with Guntank being slightly weaker than the other 3 but still pretty close. I wonder what WAR/Guntank bring to the parties since PLD bring physical DPS def buffs and DRK brings magical defense buffs and theoretically WAR should bring better DPS to help with DPS checks? Not sure if it does, I think PLD is still best.

Also when I saw the DPS breakdown I was pretty surprised that Healers out-DPS tanks. I'm gonna assume this has always been the case in MMO design but I would've thought tanks with their non-attack rotations would be before healers who spend half their time healing.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 25, 2019, 06:58:39 PM
So I did a dungeon with Astro and well....it kind of sucks. In general I feel the class changes I've experienced(MNK,PAL, and now AST) are made with the idea of "why aren't you doing this, here we'll make you". The tank changes seemed to be to making tanking idiot proof. "

'So you aren't using flash to get aggro? Well we've made aggro super easy and you might as well use this AOE combo now because it's cool and damage".

"Oh you aren't doing the rotation for MNK, well might as well because it makes your main starter more powerful"

The AST changes are basically all the cards kind of do the same thing and you might as well do it because thats how you get the effect all party members move. Which really sucks because yes I realize sometimes you'd get cards that you did'nt need, but you'd also get cards that really could help beyond a simple "does damage". And really they did'nt have to make the cards so mindless. Having redraw as a charge and the use 3 cards to get the effect all move would have helped that problem. What made the AST fun to me was how random and context sensitive the cards could be. I'll probably still use the AST because its still a pretty busy class and I like classes that keep me busy, but these changes kind of make it less interesting.

I really like Gunbreaker though. I guess I'm not sure what the nuance differences are between WAR and Pally. Pally seems to have more party utility which I like. Gun seems to have plenty of damage mitigation while having a lot of dps stuff with it's cool lots of button combos. So maybe a mix between War and Pally? I don't know, but I really enjoy the class. I've kind of started a WAR strangley because I  feel a bit nostalgic for ARR areas. I really like the La Noscea areas.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 25, 2019, 07:01:39 PM
was gonna pop on but i keep getting booted at the login screen? servers being ddos'd again or something? :(
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 25, 2019, 07:06:14 PM
yeah booted twice after work.  :maf

I was in home office today so was able to finish up all the aether currents and kind of tool around somewhat and checked out the gathering stuff. I am really hoping I can be cheap and not buy any gear till 80.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 25, 2019, 07:45:17 PM
So I did a dungeon with Astro and well....it kind of sucks. In general I feel the class changes I've experienced(MNK,PAL, and now AST) are made with the idea of "why aren't you doing this, here we'll make you". The tank changes seemed to be to making tanking idiot proof. "

'So you aren't using flash to get aggro? Well we've made aggro super easy and you might as well use this AOE combo now because it's cool and damage".

"Oh you aren't doing the rotation for MNK, well might as well because it makes your main starter more powerful"

The AST changes are basically all the cards kind of do the same thing and you might as well do it because thats how you get the effect all party members move. Which really sucks because yes I realize sometimes you'd get cards that you did'nt need, but you'd also get cards that really could help beyond a simple "does damage". And really they did'nt have to make the cards so mindless. Having redraw as a charge and the use 3 cards to get the effect all move would have helped that problem. What made the AST fun to me was how random and context sensitive the cards could be. I'll probably still use the AST because its still a pretty busy class and I like classes that keep me busy, but these changes kind of make it less interesting.

I really like Gunbreaker though. I guess I'm not sure what the nuance differences are between WAR and Pally. Pally seems to have more Pally party utility which I like. Gun seems to have plenty of damage mitigation while having a lot of dps stuff with it's cool lots of button combos. So maybe a mix between War and Pally? I don't know, but I really enjoy the class. I've kind of started a WAR strongly because I  feel a bit nostalgic for ARR areas. I really like the La Noscea areas.

Yeah, as much as I'm sad about NIN, from what I understand AST is the party that got the most fucked this expansion. Dunno if it's even stuff they can fix in number changing balance patch.

Oh yeah, I think I heard Gunbreaker does most DPS for tank and also has the most complexity (which means most fun if you like more depth). Yeah, not sure what WAR excels at in that case since it would seem like Gunbreaker stole War's position as the DPS off-tank.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: remy on July 25, 2019, 10:28:57 PM
I used to play DRK but I'm definitely hooked on gunbreaker now. It is a lot harder to keep peak DPS up on gnb than it is on DRK because you have to stack all your stuff into the No Mercy duration. Like it's fun but when I was doing harder stuff (eden) my output would slip pretty bad during mechanics. Sometimes In easier stuff I can overtake one of the dps players  :doge

It's also more fun at lower levels in roulettes, because most of your kit is unlocked pretty early.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 26, 2019, 02:03:38 AM
Yeah, I'm at 78 now w/gatherers. The only time I've noticed needing better gear is for me gatherer retainers, around lvl.76+ the gathering you need for mats is beyond the i350 yellow scrip gear so I decked them in the 77 gear.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 26, 2019, 08:09:39 AM
I will have to take a better look into crafting as this stuff is expensive and I really don't feel like wasting money/time on now.  :doge

Fishing still seems very profitable but only for the ones you sell to other fishers. I imagine that will dry up/come back to earth soon. I remember now saying when SB launched that if you didn't care about progress for first few weeks you could make millions and millions.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 26, 2019, 08:31:42 PM
I have never touched the crafter or gathering stuff in this game.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 26, 2019, 08:40:30 PM
Yeah, if I wasn't leveling my FSH retainer to 80 I could be making so much bank just having them bring back leve fish over and over and selling. I did that early on with like the very first item Sand Egg and was selling them like 15k a pop and getting 5 an hour haha. Pretty soon that'll die because yeah, only use is other FSH trading in for leves.

I have never touched the crafter or gathering stuff in this game.

Jealous!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 27, 2019, 12:21:56 AM
Yeah, if I wasn't leveling my FSH retainer to 80 I could be making so much bank just having them bring back leve fish over and over and selling. I did that early on with like the very first item Sand Egg and was selling them like 15k a pop and getting 5 an hour haha. Pretty soon that'll die because yeah, only use is other FSH trading in for leves.

I didn't even think of retainers, mine are MIN/BOT. I def would have had them on duty, especially at the price PER.

Been playing this at expense of most other stuff as have been having a good time. I pretty much was able to crack out all night and just run dungeons and it was fun as hell.

At 63 my SCH got all the ruby tide stuff I've been hoarding and looks scandalous.   :jgames :journo

I need to remember where I mapped the screen library lol.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 27, 2019, 04:28:49 AM
So I haven't had time to run anything this week besides just checking retainers and maybe a couple beast tribe quests. But did get a leveling roulette in with my 69 WHM today and it got me thinking that dungeons really really need to have a minimum ilvl. I got the lvl.65 dungeon, which doesn't hit too hard (67 is when it starts hitting hard imo), but the tank was MELTING. So I examined his equip and dude was a lvl.60 gunbreaker and this was a lvl.65 dungeon and his gear was like almost all lvl.60 NORMAL QUALITY gear. Like not green gear or HQ or anything, just boring buy from a shop normal gear. I don't even understand this as I thought when you get the job you at least get a full HQ set or maybe I was dreaming.

Even worse was this guy was lvl.66 and wasn't watching cutscenes, meaning he was past this lvl.65 dungeon and who knows how much further into Stormblood and stil running lvl.60 normal gear. Holy shit that was difficult to heal through some of those pulls and he wasn't even pulling crazy. Had one death on like a two group pull because I hit everything I had and I still could not save him.

Luckily he was a pretty nice guy and asked if he should pull smaller and I said he's probably ok but it would make my life a little easier if he did so I still gave him a commendation in the end. But like the game itself really should protect against situations like this by requiring a certain min ilvl to get into each story dungeon so the tank/healers are at least reasonably specced out to survive.

Like what if he was going into the lvl.67 dungeon with this gear? I don't think even at max stats I could heal him through pulls and I don't see how that would be finishable.

I have never touched the crafter or gathering stuff in this game.
I genuinely enjoy it, I try not forcing it too much.

There's something cool about making exclusive stuff to wear/put in your home + selling your way to becoming a millionaire.

dirty dirty lies :P
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 27, 2019, 09:26:50 AM
I did fishing and mining in 1.0 and that was enough to last me a lifetime. Also all my crafting/gathering energy for MMOs was used up by WoW years ago
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 27, 2019, 06:48:29 PM
Got my White Mage to 70, geared up in poetics and finished the job quest and did a Shinryu run. Plenary Indulgence in Shadowbringers seems ok? Just an extra push on a big medica every 60 secs. I remember it being more complicated when I read the skills in Stormblood.

Now time to start getting my NIN and WHM through SHB! Once my gatherers hit 80 I’ll finish up their role quest and gear them up with scrip gear.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on July 28, 2019, 02:08:09 AM
The Domans are free, now I'm off to do the same thing in Ala Mhigo again I guess. :lol Doma Castle was a really fun dungeon, I think my favorite so far. SB dungeons have all been really good though.

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 28, 2019, 02:44:55 AM
So like the price of selling a solo treasure map in SHB is like 10-12k whatever but I just did my first in SHB and the HQ mats I got from the chest sold for like 125k total lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 28, 2019, 06:53:49 PM
Yeah, once the treasure canals open for SHB I'll get back to running 8 person map parties.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 28, 2019, 09:57:56 PM
Got NIN to 73 and WHM almost to 72. Wanna get them in sync so they can share dungeon drops. My dungeon drop experience in SHB has been pretty awful across the board. Barely got any DRK/NIN/WHM left-side pieces in all my DRK dungeon runs and I've run that first 71 dungeon like 2 times with WHM and 2 times with NIN and I still don't have a single left-side NIN piece and only have the head piece & cane for WHM.

I feel like you still get lots of drops for job gear that isn't one of the 4 players, which is stupid. Dungeons should just drop gear for the jobs of the people playing. Also what's up with the first and second boss fights only dropping 1 piece of gear each. I thought usually it's 2-3 in past dungeons.

Basically feels like if you want to grind out a dungeon gear glam left-side set for a job it'll take you pretty close to the full 10 runs of it per class since it still gives you 1 piece per run.

WHM is fun as usual, but with NIN I really feel the weakass DPS. Feels like I'm doing barely any damage and even just AoE spamming the enemies takes foreeever in the 71 dungeon. I really hope the patch on Tuesday buffs NIN damage output.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 28, 2019, 10:16:51 PM
I also think I'm ready to take a break and play some other stuff. Doing roulette/SHB dungeons/fates with secondary jobs to slowly level them is very doable but it's also putting me to sleep. Will see what Tuesday's patch brings, but might get out after I finish my Eden set for my DRK.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 30, 2019, 03:19:44 AM
Patch notes:
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/b6083dbda4e9497698b64163ffc8cee52472b81a

Seems so bizarre that it almost feels like this patch was in the works before release and is not a reactionary patch to balance issues since launch. NIN and AST got minor bandaids that will make both jobs a little bit more competitive, but I still think NIN is gonna end up the worst DPS even with TA included for now. All it got was a damn 50 potency buff on its standard 1-2-3 combo which will add up as you do a lot of combos in a fight, but it still needed some more changes.

SAM players are all very confused at Hakagure is coming back apparently because it has no place in the current rotation.

Red Mage is a little better, same but MP is less of an issue.

and Monk which was already top-tier DPS output got a bunch of improvements to make it a better and more fun rotation, so it's probably the best physical DPS right now? With Black Mage being the best magical.


Anyhow, pretty disappointed at the NIN lack of changes. Hoping 5.1 in September brings some more fixes. At least they didn't nerf White Mage and DRK is generally fine if a bit simple.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 30, 2019, 11:04:56 AM
I don't remember seeing much of the FFT raid before it dropped so who knows. Then again, this time last expansion I was kind of over it.

I sort of feel bad for the devs, it's kind of a no win situation...they just dropped tons of content, and people are already getting sort of bored. That said, the tome grind is really disheartening to me and just really not my thing. I mean I know it's a treadmill and they need steady content but what a fake drip. I do like the look of the phanta set for heals and especially caster though.

I think I just really like the journey more than the end (to an extent anyway).
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 30, 2019, 01:23:43 PM
Yeah, I did the tome grind for a bit when I first caught up to current level and then decided it's not worth spending 30 mins doing an old crappy dungeon for 20 tomes of some gear that'll be quickly outdated.

I feel like the normal raid grind is the only grind that isn't bad. You do 4 fun fights which are about 10-15 mins each once a week for a month every 6 months and you're basically geared up good enough for everything except Savage fights.

*edit* actually this time around the i450 gear can take you through Savage E4.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 31, 2019, 03:39:23 PM
MIN/BOT hit 80 through GC turn-ins & some custom deliveries, yay. FSH like halfway to 79 but will get there soon.
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Crafters are all over the place. I'm really only leveling them through custom deliveries xp if the bonus is on a crafting item. Once in a while if the starred double xp GC turn-in is an item that only takes like 2 mats to make I'll just go gather the HQ mats myself and make a HQ item for 4x xp and get a 1/2 level of xp. Did that this morning with Purple Carrot Juice for my CUL (Pixie Apples + Purple Carrots). The blacksmith/armorer gear that takes like 5-6 mats (and most are ingots/nuggets so if you're starting from base materials it's like 10 mats) just ain't worth the time or money. Might as well just do basic item leves at that point.

When I get a chance I'll do my week 3 Eden normal and get closer to gearing out my DRK in full Eden i450 set. Should be able to get body piece this week, have all right-side pieces and legs right now, aiming for body & head this week and then will do legs & arms in the next 2 weeks to finish out.

I watched some clear vids of E1 Savage. Looks ok, kinda disappointed they didn't do anything really interesting with it (like the guess people were making that the order would be reversed making Eden Prime the final epic 4th battle), but maybe just had too high expectations. I did like the new pattern they threw in with E1S where you get the new rotating markers but on multiple spots on the map so you have to pay attention to them all instead of just running in a circle around the boss. I might try to clear the 2 Ex bosses and E1S on PF at some point. I'm still a little nervous about taking my DRK into serious content because I've never tanked or healed a real non-unsync Ex/Savage, only DPS so I'm comfortable DPS-ing on those but not sure about tanking/healing on them. But since NIN sucks now and it's my only DPS, if I do Ex/Savage this expansion I might try doing it as a healer since WHM is great and pretty easy to play.

Also saw the bit on E4S where

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Titan goes big on the side of the map.

But still, it's just Titan yawn, we better fight Eden itself again at the end.
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 01, 2019, 12:03:46 AM
Yay, got exactly the drops I needed on first run of each. So far in first 3 weeks haven't had to do any of the 4 Eden trials more than once each week. Just have arms/legs left.

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Also I discovered in this run that there are some mechanics I don't really understand in E4 and somehow just got lucky and never died in the first two weeks. Died a bunch of times and had up to 5 vuln stacks :( Time to watch a guide.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on August 01, 2019, 08:46:29 AM
goddamn thats a cool armor set
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 01, 2019, 09:52:56 PM
I reallly need to take a break so I don't get addicted. All other games are boring right now :( And it's not like I'm doing anything interesting in this. Fisher hit 80 so all gatherers at 80, I'd made about 10-15 million gil in the last month so I went the lazy route and jumped from lvl 70 yellow scrip gear -> i430 HQ crafted set which should take me until year 2 of the expansion when I can upgrade to scrip gear V2 easily through custom deliveries.

Started getting into the sinkhole that is crafting ughhhh, started doing the role quest items for GSM/BSM/ARM and mats were way overpriced so I went around gathering everything from scratch myself and then make the items and making extra mats to sell and make more gil because I always feel like if I'm taking the time to craft anything might as well always craft 2 and sell the other one for the next person in my spot. Got GSM from 73->75 from the first 2 levels of the role quest, all 6 items gives almost a whole level. Took me a few hours though gathering and crafting the mats. Rest of crafters are 70/71/72. It's definitely doable to level crafters outside the 1 free level a week from custom deliveries, but once you're done with the role quest xp, it's either expensive buying the big leve items or takes forever grabbing the leves and turning them in with the smaller mat items. That across 8 crafters is way too tedious.

Doing some hunts that get called while I'm doing other stuff. Did a couple S ranks and getting some tomes from that. I think I'll just save up the new tomes until I hit 1000 for the i460 weapon I can upgrade to i470 since I don't see myself getting the Savage weapon.

I also checked out the full sets for tank gear from the new i450 crafted set & i460 tome set. The i450 looks pretty nice, i460 looks meh. The i475 Eden sword that goes with the Eden tank outfit is pretty nice but yeah no way I'm getting that lol. I just realized today that all these 8man Raid gear sets every 6 months actually have a nice looking weapon that goes with them and matches...it's just its the savage weapon which I never get so I never see it haha. Maybe I can go back and get the Alexander/Omega ones unsync at some point.

Not really feeling motivated to level WHM/NIN that much right now. Fine saving this for later when I come back for 5.1 in the fall. But yeah, after I get the last pieces of my Eden set I need to just stop playing until the 24man raid patch drops in September and take a break.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on August 01, 2019, 11:25:55 PM
I kind of feel you.  :lol

Personally I am kind of done but also kinda having fun, have slowed play but still have the want to crack out, which is for the best. Still a lot of classes to play/stuff to do, I haven't done most of the 3.x bosses or raids tbh.

I started gathering but am too cheap to put much into it so it's going to be slow. Crafting seems like a carnival of pain, although it's pretty easy, my 72 BSM and can make HQ weapons.

Will be fucking around with this for a while but tbh focus shifting back to other games/RL lol.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on August 02, 2019, 08:38:00 AM
My schedule of only having time to really go hard 1 day a week has certainly helped with keeping the game interesting, even if I'm progressing slowly. I believe I'm nearly through Stormblood base game now though. I took over some bridge in Ala Mhigo and I gotta go fight a snake primal out of nowhere so things are looking interesting.

Stormblood story has been real up and down but I think I still like it more than Heavensward just because the locations are more interesting. I really liked the look and feel of everything in Doma more than most of Heavensward stuff (minus Sea of Clouds, I loved that zone).
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 04, 2019, 02:18:53 PM
Did a map party and did like 3-4 runs of the new map dungeon. We only got to floor 2 ;_;

And the loot payouts were really bad. Like all the items people would get lumber/yarn/nuggets were all base lvl.70-72 type items that sell for maybe 3k-5k each. Basically in 8 map runs I got about 30k when could've sold the map for 200k+, doesn't seem worth doing the maps at this point.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on August 05, 2019, 09:48:15 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/lCIX1l0.jpg)

 :rofl
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 05, 2019, 03:04:59 PM
Map prices cratered today on Ultros. Goodbye daily extra 200k gil intake, was nice while it lasted. Probably fall back to standard 50-70k soon.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 06, 2019, 01:19:23 PM
Yeah, was at 110k yesterday, down to 61k this morning on Ultros.


Anyhow, I did my custom deliveries with my lvl.80 gatherers and starting gearing with white scrip gear which then led me to try the rowena white scrip turn ins for unspoiled/legendary nodes (have legendary mining book already) and damn, I never realized how quick and easy it is to gear up gatherers with scrip gear.

Like fuck crafting and leveling 8 freaking jobs and gearing them, if you only did battle characters & gatherers it wouldn't be that much of a timesink to stay near top gear level in this game. Crafters...yeah, gonna take me 6 months at this rate lol why am I doing this. I do like crafting items with mats I've gathered though, something fun in that.


Another thing is that I see people bash on FFXIV's combat sometimes as slow and boring and you know when it comes to DPS-ing in dungeons I can agree with that. Leveling my NIN from 70-80 is pretty damn boring. I did the 73 dungeon the other day (NIN/WHM are 73 now) and all you do in dungeons is sit in the AoE circle and hit 2 buttons (used to be 1 button) over and over as you slowly grind the grunts down. Bosses are fine, but generally dungeon bosses are too easy to be all that interesting. Raids/bosses are great, but dungeons as DPS are zzzzzzzzzzz.

Healing is a lot more fun in dungeons because you actually have to try to keep your tank alive and keep the other players alive in addition to some dps. Tanking is fun too because of all the big pulls and cooldown popping trying to glass cannon. But DPS is really boring to level. Even fates get old quick and sidequests just don't pay out that much xp though I should probably do more of them. Hunts are helpful though.

One thing that is annoying is if you have a battle job retainer and then you change main jobs like I did from NIN -> DRK, your retainer is fucked. If you want to change to DRK you start at lvl.1 again (lol). So now my MIN/BOT/FSH retainers all hit 80 but my battle retainer is stuck at 73 and I'm always going to have to keep NIN up every expansion for that retainer.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: thisismyusername on August 08, 2019, 05:15:44 PM
https://twitter.com/rescueferret/status/1159167142652198913
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on August 09, 2019, 07:23:46 PM
Had fun with the Moonfire stuff, I'm a fan of jumping puzzles though. Also there was glamour gear so I had to do it :lol

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 09, 2019, 07:28:40 PM
Nice, yeah I gotta do it this weekend.

Did enough Eden to get my arms. All that's missing for my tank set are belt & legs and since both aren't visible I don't care anymore :P Just doing it for the glam.
Now that 3 of my 4 retainers are 80 I'm figuring out what items are the most profitable to grab, craft and sell.

The ironic thing about making money through gathering, low level crafting (ingots/woods) is that it's always the mats from the old expansions that are selling for more than the current expansion items because there's fewer people gathering them. So basically you have a maxed out i440 gatherer and it's more efficient to just grab some HW/SB mats.

Game always amazes me how often the carrot at the stick ends up being worthless and you're leveling up just for the sake of leveling. Still good to have for grabbing & selling maps and grabbing any specific items you need for crafting if there's nothing reasonable on the MB.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 14, 2019, 02:37:26 PM
So in the FC chat, the people who follow this stuff said SAM is getting a minor update in 5.08 and NIN job getting a complete rework to come with 5.1


Hope they can save NIN without dumbing it down to boring. My NIN's still 73 so I might just focus on my 74 WHM for now and leave leveling NIN to 80 for after 5.1 drops.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on August 14, 2019, 03:03:52 PM
Hope they fix it or at least bring it up some for you lol.

I have been kind of off and on, really only doing starred turn-ins and making a few additional to sell. Got my SCH to 70, I just really don't like it as much as WHM (to 70 anyway). I dig that I get a charity DPS to 70 as well, and gear is free with poetics. Not sure how much more I will be raising it in short-term.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 14, 2019, 04:55:16 PM
I kind of don’t mind the Astro changes. I just wish the cards had different effects beyond damage buffs.

I’ve leveled it to 80 recently and still find it to be a very fun and active as fuck class. 
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on August 15, 2019, 12:28:20 PM
Finished Stormblood (base) and been fucking around with side stuff before going into the other story bits. Omega is really awesome...fighting the Phantom Train and Kefka really is sweet and all the boss fights have been a blast. Gonna try and go through the Alphascape section tonight, we'll see how the queues treat me.

Also I love that because I'm doing all this during the Moonfire stuff, I get these cutscenes about how this is the most deadly threat of all time to the entire world and it's all very serious and important...and then everyone in the group is wearing holiday masks and beachwear :lol

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 15, 2019, 04:01:29 PM
Yeah the Phantom Train is probably my favorite throwback moment in the entire game. The chime at the start is so nostalgic! I grew up on FF6 so that tier is like best thing ever for me.

Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 15, 2019, 04:02:59 PM
Lately just been crafting and gathering. Been going through the crafting role quests and the starred 2x xp GC turns. Basically if the mats are cheap I'll grab them on the MB, but if they're not I'll just go and gather a bunch and make the mats to use and sell the extra mats since they're expensive.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on August 15, 2019, 05:41:45 PM
Lately just been crafting and gathering. Been going through the crafting role quests and the starred 2x xp GC turns. Basically if the mats are cheap I'll grab them on the MB, but if they're not I'll just go and gather a bunch and make the mats to use and sell the extra mats since they're expensive.

yep, literally what I've been doing. getting paid to level, and with macros I really don't mind crafting (especially if working from home).
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 16, 2019, 11:25:39 AM
Lately just been crafting and gathering. Been going through the crafting role quests and the starred 2x xp GC turns. Basically if the mats are cheap I'll grab them on the MB, but if they're not I'll just go and gather a bunch and make the mats to use and sell the extra mats since they're expensive.

yep, literally what I've been doing. getting paid to level, and with macros I really don't mind crafting (especially if working from home).

I've never made any crafting macros  :'(

Are you upgrading your gear? I'm still running the i340 scrip gear at around lvl.75-77 with some crafters and on lvl.75 role quest turn-ins I'm still getting 100% quality with all normal mats. I figure at some point I may need to upgrade but if I can make it to 80 and then get a set of crafted gear that'd be good (since scrip turn-ins first time around is way too much since each crafting class has unique gear) and that should take me to the second set of scrip turn-in gear where it's just one outfit for all crafters + unique primary/secondaries.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on August 16, 2019, 12:29:03 PM
I HQ'd the 71 tools myself and have the top 70 scrip gear on all slots and have had no issues with anything. May need to make more tools at 75 but i honestly don't think will need to upgrade clothes till 80.

Definitely look into at least the 40 durability macro, I can give you one later this weekend if you can't find...basically ensures HQ mats which make HQ crafts a breeze.

**and yes screw class-specific gear.  :camby
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 16, 2019, 01:55:35 PM
Yeah that’d be nice. I don’t even bother trying to HQ current content 40 Durability items. Just do NQ and sell them or use them for other crafting. I can usually HQ 80 durability just stacking inner quiet and then using bygrot blessing at the end (btw it’s bullshit that’s specialists lost 100% success on that).

I use steady hand II and the one that makes durability use 5 instead of 10 for four turns, and use rapid progress to get 1 careful synthesis away from completion and then spam touch I or II until out of SP and bygrot and then final turn finish progress.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on August 16, 2019, 02:36:31 PM
Had a recent guide on reddit.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IU-2SAffMkyhNEr2VtXVcgEJKTRgb2gq9maiFNv3xdk/edit

I think prep touch is the one with only 5 dura loss, with ManipII it is free lol. Think this would be it:

/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Manipulation II" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand I" <wait.2>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis III" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis III" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis III" <wait.3>
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on August 16, 2019, 07:19:54 PM
yeah. it's a rabbit hole, although they made it a lot easier this xpac.

also, PRUDENT touch is the one i was talking about not prep...that's a (good) new skill.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 16, 2019, 08:26:37 PM
I haven't touched any of the new skills haha, I should. Haven't checked out any of the 71-80 gathering skills either other than Fishing where identical catch/gig is helpful.


So I was running some duty roulettes as WHM and I got the Yojimbo trial and we were barely making it and at last 10% my controller disconnected and ran out of batteries so I just stood there and couldn't heal :( First time that's ever happened! Apologized to everyone (we still made it) but felt bad about it. One reason to go KB+M I guess.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 17, 2019, 03:28:06 PM
Is the lvl.74 nuke for White Mage not supposed to have any visual effect? Considering it's a super holy nuke I was expecting to see a big flash like holy or something but first time I did it I wasn't sure if I actually used it, then I used it again and it just seemed like it had zero visual to it and just a number pops up?

I'm getting the hang of healing rotation in SHb with WHM. Full team staying alive lately in dungeons with full pulls.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 17, 2019, 05:34:22 PM
Yeah I'm about done for this part of FFXIV. Leveling a SMN is really boring and I don't care to play SCH outside of the MSQ Daily. I've never been into caster or range classes, but I want to finish at least SMN so I can do the last Role Quest. If I can finish just this, I'll be out of FFXIV until next patch.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on August 17, 2019, 06:14:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=143&v=drq5ER6MHAM
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 17, 2019, 06:21:30 PM
Lol, the fishing bit throwing the phone into the lake was lol

Is this official or just a fan made thing?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Chooky on August 17, 2019, 09:59:57 PM
this was one of their april fools jokes
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on August 18, 2019, 11:32:59 AM
Yeah  :lol

Pretty sure I posted it before but saw it again yesterday
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on August 18, 2019, 12:39:07 PM
i still wish they'd make the fighting game they put out a joke video for :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VBJby8pJoU
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 18, 2019, 12:42:50 PM
Lol, I haven’t seen these. That fighting one looks like a ps1 shitty spinoff fighter. Aka they nailed it!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on August 18, 2019, 05:16:48 PM
Finally used a Fantasia since I have four sitting around and...I'm not sure if I'm digging it. Might just be cause I haven't changed my look since 2013 so I'm gonna keep using this for a weekish and see what I think

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on August 18, 2019, 06:28:56 PM
also not gonna lie i'm mainly salty that the hempen camise looks like underwear on au ra so it ruins my main glamour

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on August 19, 2019, 12:30:21 AM
 :lol

Nuuuu Lizard ppl are gross.

Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 19, 2019, 03:15:33 AM
Yeah, catgirls > weird dragon people.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on August 19, 2019, 07:19:36 AM
anything is better than the new big dopey looking cat guys.  :doge

I have no room to really talk about anything as I play a fucking catgirl, but objectively this is a dangerously furry game.

 :notlikethis
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on August 19, 2019, 08:39:18 AM
hrothgar make some pretty hilarious dancers but i'll still skip that change. :lol

i'll probably end up swapping back but i figured it was worth a shot. i actually would probably keep the change but there's been a couple shots in cutscenes that annoy me cause my character's eyes are too far apart now so she looks extra dumb.

got an unintended creepy shot on the quest where you go out with the sultana
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on August 19, 2019, 10:39:27 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/TS80010514/status/1162925703966236672
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on August 20, 2019, 06:52:25 PM
I told myself I was gonna wait and see instead of immediately changing back but

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been a cat too long for that. :lol now i wish i could sell fantasias on the market board cause i got these other ones i know i'll never touch.

now to finish off stormblood. finished omega and some other bits. gonna do the FFT/12 stuff and then bang out the rest of the main story.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 20, 2019, 07:04:41 PM
Where do you get the hat that's off-center? Or is that using the adjust visor button? Because my masks all just cover my face from the event.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on August 20, 2019, 07:07:56 PM
just the adjust visor button. took me longer than i want to admit to figure that out :doge
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 20, 2019, 08:06:23 PM
I don't think anyone else has figured that out  :lol Never seen anyone wearing it like that.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on August 20, 2019, 08:42:05 PM
that's funny :lol i just saw a character with it on the lodestone page so i figured it had to be possible

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/2019/Moonfire_Faire/
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 20, 2019, 09:51:22 PM
I never knew that.

I was trying to figure out how Warriors had their helms show their face!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 20, 2019, 10:50:11 PM
Nothing more soul-destroying than waiting 15 mins in a DPS queue, then 45 mins in some old dungeon that people are dying in, and then your xp gain from leveling roulette is so small you can't even tell what it did for you  :(

I'm really not enjoying leveling my NIN that much in the mid-70s. Roulettes are take hours to gain a level, Fates are empty and hard to survive solo with DPS, and quests giving like 250k xp is ok but you gotta do like 50 of them just to gain a half level. Everything just feels like a total grinddddd.

For whatever reason WHM doesn't feel as bad because dungeons are more fun and you can solo fates a lot easier.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on August 22, 2019, 10:01:54 AM
Rathalos was a fun fight! Of course now to get the glamour armor I have to run it 13 more times. :lol Guess I know what I'll be doing this weekend while watching GB vids and TI.

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 22, 2019, 12:39:05 PM
Someday I will grind that 50 times to get the mount...
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on August 22, 2019, 12:46:22 PM
I still haven't done Rathalos. I have a shitton of trails to finish in general, I dislike healing trial fights. DPS has it so much easier...it's more likely I do them on BRD/SMN, wrapping up warring triad now.  :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on August 22, 2019, 01:15:20 PM
Rathalos was pretty easy, didn't even take any damage outside of the unavoidable bits. There's no ground markers for his attacks but if you just watch him you can move out of the way of his fire and such. 3rd phase doesn't even have any healing, you have to use the dungeon item (mega potion) so that helps a bit for healers. Whole thing took under 5 mins on normal.

EX seems to be the same fight but with 4 players instead of 8. I understand that's a bit harder because the adds don't give a fuck about tank aggro in EX.

Akala if you go while I'm on to trials hmu cause I'll run anything that has a quicker queue than 20+ min per for solo dps
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 22, 2019, 04:11:34 PM
EX seems to be the same fight but with 4 players instead of 8. I understand that's a bit harder because the adds don't give a fuck about tank aggro in EX.

I haven't tried the Ex fight. Are you doing it sync or unsync?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on August 22, 2019, 04:57:53 PM
i haven't tried it yet either, just glanced at a mechanics guide. i believe if you want the mount you should just run normal. that seems to give two normal scales, while ex gives one normal and one rathalos+ scale and the mount is 50 normal scales.

only XIV dungeon i've done where you actually have to loot the boss. the game reminded me about it and i still almost forgot.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 22, 2019, 10:35:23 PM
Haha, that’s because it’s a monster hunter fight!

They did a good job
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on August 22, 2019, 11:22:48 PM
i've never played a monster hunter game but i love when crossovers like this really take everything from the source material. the mechanics guide i used also said that his tells before tail swipe and fire are the same as in monster hunter, so that's cool.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 23, 2019, 02:37:12 AM
Kind of an interesting tidbit. So I had to delete some games to clear HDD space and stuff like Hitman 2 is like 100gb, and every standard AAA game is 60-80gb, and games that are a service like Gran Turismo Sport on PS4 are like 100gb+ because they keep adding content.

So I figured with FF14 continually adding content and VA work and stuff it'd probably be like 100-150gb at this point, but when I checked it's like 40gb? Game is really efficient space-wise.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on August 23, 2019, 09:15:46 AM
something about mmos leads to space efficiency, wow has been adding content and video and va for like 15 years and it's only ~80gb
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rman on August 23, 2019, 11:18:13 AM
So I may join in since I love FF and this has been getting tons of love. Is it worth playing on a base PS4? Not a PC guy.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on August 23, 2019, 11:47:10 AM
I was playing it for a bit on a silm PS4, worked well imo. Only annoying thing is using chat with PS4 pad but you can hook up any usb KB/M if you want for both play and chat.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 23, 2019, 11:51:18 AM
So I may join in since I love FF and this has been getting tons of love. Is it worth playing on a base PS4? Not a PC guy.

I play with a ps4 controller on pc and it plays great, but I chat on keyboard and imagine that would be awful on controller.

If you can get a ps4 keyboard it should be fine.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 23, 2019, 02:04:33 PM
Aaaand after like 6 months of fashion reports and daily scratch offs, got my 2 million MGP Golden Saucer mount (which is way too expensive compared to other mounts)

(https://i.imgur.com/NNTu5Qbh.jpg)

Now back to 0 MGP!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on August 23, 2019, 03:19:23 PM
that thing is crazy  :o
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on August 25, 2019, 09:42:53 PM
slowly slowly slowly making my way towards shadowbringers. did a bunch of stormblood story got through the whole weird yotsuya and zenos fanboy arc and then got sidetracked with the animal god trials, they are all really fun. someone in the party compared the phoenix one to ddr and said i'd better not mess it up as a dancer, but it was easy enough.

also purchased the endless summer set cause it's only $5 and the sunglasses that come with it are well worth it for a Frat Boy WoL look :lol also you can wear them on your forehead with /visor

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on August 26, 2019, 05:14:05 PM
Got 80 on miner way out of line with the other turn--ins, I was going to gear it up but got cheap and may wait until I can craft it all myself lol. all the crafting classes are like 72-74 so it may be a while.

Haven't had much time to play recently but that will change once wife starts class.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on August 27, 2019, 11:50:44 PM
barely touched the game this week but i had to post this extra dumb reshade preset i installed :lol

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on August 28, 2019, 12:10:16 AM
 :lol

I haven't really done any battle content since the first tomestone week.  :doge

Did the rising cause generally I really like it...it's kinda soso this year, but was able to get a lot of...posters lol. I caved and got gatherer gear, will need to outfit a retainer anyway (it's 80 already as well).
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 28, 2019, 02:21:38 AM
barely touched the game this week but i had to post this extra dumb reshade preset i installed :lol

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Haha, that’s great. Eorza Vice.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on August 28, 2019, 08:42:47 AM
oh shi i better do the rising, need that yshtola minion
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 28, 2019, 03:35:16 PM
Yeah, will do Rising one of these weekends. Crafters are making some progress with turn-ins and alllmost have all the legendary books (just need fishing) and white scrip gear for the 3 gatherers. I'll probably end up with all my crafters at 80 well before the crafting beast tribe this time, so guess I'll skip that one since no real point outside the few items if you're not getting xp.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on August 29, 2019, 08:48:05 AM
Patch notes are up
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/f9f9bc037d81305bd34c688b701db7c6162503b9

Buffs for NIN SAM and SMN plus some bug fixes
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 29, 2019, 12:38:07 PM
Yeah, this is interesting. Everyone was saying they were doing a full rotation rehaul with 5.1 in a month for NIN so I didn't expect anything, but they pretty much buffed a ton of the standard combos by another 10% or so. I gotta imagine at some point this "buff, buff, buff" fixing of NIN should give them enough DPS to be competitive again.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 02, 2019, 03:00:30 PM
Got the first of my crafters to 80 with GSM. Bought a full set of HQ lvl.80 gear (when having gil comes in handy) and even at that can't even attempt the first recipe book ingot lol
Tried crafting the final normal item for Rowena to get white scrip and can barely get like 200-300 quality and need 1080 to turn in minimum lol

The final lvl.80 quest in the BSM/ARM/GSM item was challenging for me and made me change my rotation. Thankfully the mats were free but with the 80 HQ full set and my standard rotation I'd used up until now I was only getting about 20-30% HQ. After some adjusting and a good run got 96% HQ and got it.

But yeah, I forgot how the jump goes from "easy crafting everything" to "can barely even finish the NQ item" once you get to crafting endgame without overmelding and stuff.
Almost done with my gatherer recipe books/white scrip gear from custom deliveries (should finish on tuesday) and after that will just do crafting custom deliveries each week for white scrips and gear out my crafters a bit.


Have a few other crafters in the 77-79 range and almost at 80, a couple around 75 and like 2 still at 73. Getting there.

Maybe by the time 5.1 comes out I'll have all crafters/gatherers and DRK/NIN/WHM at 80 and then will generally be done with the grind for another 1.5 years until the next expansion.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 03, 2019, 01:13:59 PM
Ok, yeah got my last splendors book and all gatherers are decked out in scrip gear. Done with gatherers until 5.3 or so. Now just gotta finish up crafters.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 03, 2019, 01:53:32 PM
Damn, leeves these days are pretty affordable way to level crafting. Here I am spending 110k for a HQ GC turn in item to get maybe 6 million xp of a 20 million xp level, but can buy HQ leeve item for 50-60k that gets me 5 million xp each, buy 4 for 200k and that's a level.

Might speed level my crafters this week to 80 with leeves and finishing the role quests. Would be nice to be done with gatherers/crafters and can just focus on battle stuff.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on September 03, 2019, 02:45:04 PM
Damn, leeves these days are pretty affordable way to level crafting. Here I am spending 110k for a HQ GC turn in item to get maybe 6 million xp of a 20 million xp level, but can buy HQ leeve item for 50-60k that gets me 5 million xp each, buy 4 for 200k and that's a level.

Might speed level my crafters this week to 80 with leeves and finishing the role quests. Would be nice to be done with gatherers/crafters and can just focus on battle stuff.

HMM I need to look at this, I hadn't even looked at leaves lately. If cheap may snag a few. Most of the GC turns I have been doing I don't pay over 10k or so.

I think for the leves i was saving for botanist but am like 76 on it barely trying. May spread them around, I have like 100 of them.

Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 03, 2019, 03:07:31 PM
I’m lazy, if it’s under 150k for HQ turn in gear that’s starred I buy it. I’m losing a bit of money but once all crafters are 80 it’ll just be pure profit so I’ll catch back up.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: remy on September 04, 2019, 11:19:42 PM
I did the EX primals but then I left my sub to lapse because I wasn't really playing so much anymore and don't wanna do Savage, really. Loved my time with this game. Absolutely my favourite mmo experience

I have all 450 gear, so I think I'm gonna come back for the Nier raid. I kind of miss it already though. I wanted to level healer and a DPS and I haven't done any of the hildebrand stuff.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on September 05, 2019, 11:13:16 AM
Finally finished all the SB content (minus Ivalice stuff cause I waited 1hr in queue and still didn't have a party so I gave up :lol). Popped into Shadowbringers for just a sec, checked out the Crystarium and the zone around it. Really unique and fun look to the zone imo.

Only a few notes so far on ShB:

1. The Russian or whatever weird accent the bunny lady NPCs use is excellent and hilarious

2. This Crystal Exarch dude kinda seems like a fuckup. "I meant to just grab you but I accidentally stole all your friends and also they are stuck here forever. Anyway you down to help a brother out? Thx"

3. Feo Ul best new character

https://twitter.com/titania_KING/status/1166433823804002304
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on September 05, 2019, 11:32:06 AM
Crystarium is best city.  :delicious

How'd you like SB overall? Vs HW?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on September 05, 2019, 11:46:30 AM
I definitely like SB more than HW. SB had more interesting zones to me, I really liked Doma and the other eastern areas a lot. I also liked the characters more. Gosetsu, Hien, the return of Nero in side stuff, all the Au Ra tribe leaders all were great. Lyse is kinda wack but I get that her story was more about her personal growth into a leader blah blah. Also Gaius Baelsar being back and on our side is cool but weird. I feel like no one ever stays gone in the story: Nero, Gaius, Zenos, Gosetsu, Yotsuyu, probably more. :lol

Also liked a bit more diving into the Empire's issues and motivations of the characters there. The whole thing about the Ascians actually making the Empire in the first place is some :mindblown shit.

Not saying HW was bad but I didn't connect with the characters as much and I found the zones to be sorta samey. Also it sounds dumb but HW post-game actually took away from the story to me. Oh the dragon is dead, actually not really. Okay Estinan is cool, oh nvm, oh he is cool and he's retired now, oh actually not.

E:I liked the SB dungeons and trials more too, especially that last dungeon where you are fighting on an actual battlefield. Susano is probably my favorite trial so far but I did like the Four Lords trials too.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on September 05, 2019, 12:14:35 PM
Make sure to start rebuilding the enclave, you likely have to do some BS Mor Dhona quests but if you like Doma it's super worth it. Just takes forever as it's still weekly gated.

I think personally I liked the best parts of SB more than HW, although due to it being kind of disjointed with the 2 fronts it wasn't really able to be as cohesive. The post-HW story I don't think was as good as the post-story SB, but it's been a while lol.

ARR needs to be trimmed tf down as soon as possible, it's honestly hard to recommend the game to new players otherwise.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on September 05, 2019, 12:24:28 PM
Yeah I already rebuilt the food stalls, on the second part now. Totally worth it for the extra gil for selling junk and non-market board items.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on September 06, 2019, 09:08:31 AM
Headed out to Eulmore, cool design and idea for a floating city. Plus the two jesters from FF9 returned kinda! I love that they made a fat miqote model for the Chai lady. I liked both of those characters so I hope they return. The leader of Eulmore being a giant fat dude that throws tantrums is also pretty great.

Forgot the name of the desert zone but that was a pretty sad questline to get Alisaie, went a different way than I expected. :'( Also I didn't look it up but I'm 90% sure the little lizard models there are also a mob in XI.

Also I'm sure this is not a unique opinion but goddamn I really like the design of the Sin Eaters. They are like living statues and it's super cool. I thought that SB was a big step up from HW (and it is) but goddamn ShB is immediately another big step up in characters and design of zones and mobs.

Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on September 06, 2019, 11:51:51 AM
IT GOOD.

yeah that’s leaping lizzy/FFXI lizard model. Have a few others too...
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on September 07, 2019, 01:33:03 AM
I made it night! I'm the Warrior of Darkness! 8)

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bonus cool shot

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on September 08, 2019, 12:13:10 PM
jesus il mheg is bright. :lol got there at like 1am last night and it was burning my eyes and i just gave up and went to bed

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i mean come on :rofl

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 10, 2019, 04:13:58 PM
I definitely like SB more than HW. SB had more interesting zones to me, I really liked Doma and the other eastern areas a lot. I also liked the characters more. Gosetsu, Hien, the return of Nero in side stuff, all the Au Ra tribe leaders all were great. Lyse is kinda wack but I get that her story was more about her personal growth into a leader blah blah. Also Gaius Baelsar being back and on our side is cool but weird. I feel like no one ever stays gone in the story: Nero, Gaius, Zenos, Gosetsu, Yotsuyu, probably more. :lol

Also liked a bit more diving into the Empire's issues and motivations of the characters there. The whole thing about the Ascians actually making the Empire in the first place is some :mindblown shit.

Not saying HW was bad but I didn't connect with the characters as much and I found the zones to be sorta samey. Also it sounds dumb but HW post-game actually took away from the story to me. Oh the dragon is dead, actually not really. Okay Estinan is cool, oh nvm, oh he is cool and he's retired now, oh actually not.

E:I liked the SB dungeons and trials more too, especially that last dungeon where you are fighting on an actual battlefield. Susano is probably my favorite trial so far but I did like the Four Lords trials too.

Yeah, I think gameplay-wise they improved their game in Stormblood, so SB/SHB gameplay content is >> HW, but story/music/areas I still prefer HW. The chocobo forest is really melancholy in the best way.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on September 16, 2019, 10:43:56 PM
(https://i.redd.it/msvsf1g570n31.png)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 16, 2019, 10:54:17 PM
lol noooooooo

don't even joke
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on September 17, 2019, 09:04:41 AM
i've seen a weird amount of 1.0 "nostalgia" lately online and i have to assume it's coming from people who never actually played it. :lol i've posted about the game before in this thread and it really was bad. the only (gameplay wise anyway) good thing about it imo was Path Companions, which was just an NPC that would show up and partner with you on some MSQ and have related fun dialogue along the way. And that's sorta been replicated now in Trusts so even that's not really needed anymore.

in ShB news I've finally taken out Titania which was a surprisingly intense primal. took us two tries with a duty finder group but no one complained or was a jerk so it wasn't too bad. now i'm hanging out with black mage yshtola and the eulmore kung fu master just showed up. also i liked crystal exarch (pretty sure i got spoiled on his real identity, oh well) pulling a TLJ Luke on Vauthry and just showing up as a projection. seems the eulmore guys are just the empire replacement, which works for me. so i'm continuing to make slow progress, not in any real rush but i'll keep pecking away at the story.

also made a semi-generic warrior of darkness glamour since i'm out here killing the light

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was trying out long hair but every damn catlady has long hair so i had to go with something else :lol

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 21, 2019, 01:21:40 AM
My current NIN outfit fits the Regalia pretty well

(https://i.imgur.com/UpGSxIYh.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on September 21, 2019, 10:42:33 AM
Still bummed I missed resubbing for the XV event by one day. ah well
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 21, 2019, 01:17:09 PM
Still bummed I missed resubbing for the XV event by one day. ah well

 :'(
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on September 21, 2019, 01:36:01 PM
I didn’t log and missed it. It was pretty bad at ShB launch nothing but flying cars.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 21, 2019, 03:09:45 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/C2QPzaOl.jpg)

Finished the Crafting role quests. Making progress. 5/8 at 80. Might power through with leves on the remaining 3 this weekend just to not have to bother spending the 15 mins each day on GC turn-ins.
Still need to do the Fishing role quest, then will unlock the combined crafting/gathering final role quest.

Goal is still to get all the crafters to 80 by 5.1 and then spend the first few weeks of 5.1 finishing up my NIN/WHM and then take a break from the game for a few months until the next real raid set comes out in January. Enjoying it, but definitely will be nice to take a few months break and then play more casually just doing the weekly normal raid set one night a week since nothing left I want to level.

So all in all I thought the crafting role quests were good and as good as the previous expansions, the CUL/ALC one was pretty good. But they definitely were like "11 stories is too much work, let's trim it down to 5". I have a feeling they're not going back to 11 ever again, and it'll be 5 stories each expansion but they'll probably incorporate the old NPCs from previous crafting/gathering storylines.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on September 21, 2019, 03:25:40 PM
Haha you beat me. I am like 79-6. I actually have just been doing turn ins, need to do the quests before I totally outlevel it.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 21, 2019, 04:05:08 PM
The role quests give a ton of xp. Like 3-4 levels worth total. Definitely use them!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 21, 2019, 05:46:25 PM
Started listening to the ost for Shadowbringers and it's weird that it like starts with Omega 4.4 stuff and then goes right into the final boss music & ending music for Shadowbringers before it goes into the actual maps and cutscene music. The other osts generally went in story order so just kinda odd. Small nitpick but it bugs me lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 21, 2019, 10:37:38 PM
Ok, I'm fucking DUMB. I thought Heartless/From the Heavens was the Shadowbringers final boss but it's the last fight of Omega/Final Omega -> Ending must be Omega ending. The Shadowbringers "actual" OST doesn't start until track 37 of the Shadowbringers OST and runs to track 88. Kinda odd, but whatever. Track 1-36 are 4.4/4.5 last Omega raid -> Ending, Ivalice -> Ending, MSQ and seasonal stuff.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on September 22, 2019, 12:24:43 AM
Yeah, Stormblood OST only goes til 4.3. Guess this means 5.1+ is getting it's own OST, which works for me cause I want more Nier/FF crossover tracks :lawd
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 22, 2019, 07:30:27 PM
Ok, got all crafters to 80. 2-3 hours of grinding leves zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
But didn't cost that much. Just went for the mats and made the items in bulk to turn in. Then put some on sale and sometimes if the mats were crazy I'd make the mats and put them on sale, so probably did about 11 levels in 2.5 hours at a cost of <500k.

But DONE. I don't mind gearing out using the weekly custom deliveries because that takes like 10 mins once a week. The level grind for group crafters is just the worst and slowest. Safe for another 21 months.

Next up, FISHING role questline!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on September 23, 2019, 10:28:31 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
mfw hydaelyn is a primal wtf

(https://i.imgur.com/fHyboAt.png)
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on September 24, 2019, 08:58:44 AM
New Moogle Treasure Trove that runs until 5.1

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/mogmog-collection/201909/
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on September 24, 2019, 09:31:49 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/QmkyEes.gif)

I hadn't played any battle content in a few weeks tbh.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on September 24, 2019, 09:33:07 AM
who wants to run syrcus tower like 50 times to get that airship mount and bomb mount with me? i'll even give the dancer buff :doge
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on September 24, 2019, 09:41:14 AM
i think you get 2/ea from CT so only need 25 times. when is 5.1 again? doesn't seem like enough time.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on September 24, 2019, 09:48:06 AM
mid-late October I think?

also seems tome drops have been upped across the board. 10 for praetorium and 7 for castrum is much better.

(https://i.imgur.com/0CbyqBm.png)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 24, 2019, 12:31:05 PM
Yeah, I haven’t touched pvp since shb launched. At 5 tomes it’s probably the most efficient on that list.
I remember doing a lot of pvp during stormblood since it was one of the best ways to grind xp.

But yeah, considering it’s not even starting until the 30th, I wonder if 5.1 is still a little off. I thought 4.1 came like end of Sept/early Oct? Wouldn’t be surprised if 5.1 is running a bit behind.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 24, 2019, 01:05:13 PM
Going through the fishing role quest, always like fishing in this game. It’s very relaxing to just sit and listen to some music.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on September 24, 2019, 06:03:43 PM
between these mounts and the current pvp event one day i should actually try pvp in this game :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: remy on September 24, 2019, 09:16:48 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
mfw hydaelyn is a primal wtf

(https://i.imgur.com/fHyboAt.png)
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For real this plot twist had me shook. My synapses were firing all sorts of conspiracies after it
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on September 25, 2019, 10:05:28 AM
Good turn in yesterday.  :lol

(https://i.imgur.com/oaBfeyr.jpg)

Found my screen folder as well, no filter/gpose/anything

(https://i.imgur.com/Uc1dIX3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/iIprmrc.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/z1N2cDM.jpg)

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(https://i.imgur.com/cLLHRQv.png)
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 26, 2019, 02:16:52 AM
Finished the Fisher role quest. They reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally nerfed fishing this time around.
The final lvl.80 quest? Just stand in a river spot on a normal map with a lvl.73 bait and you'll pretty much catch it on the first try.

Like Shadowbringers was already weird in that normally there is new bait every couple levels, but shadowbringers only has merchants selling lvl.70-73 bait and then it jumps to lvl.80 scrip bait.
But you can catch basically everything outside of the legendary fish with the lvl.70-73 bait.

And all that stuff about snagging and mooch and double mooch, fish eyes, and weather and time of day? Doesn't seem to matter at all anymore. The whole unspoiled node system they added to fisher in Stormblood with the trident spearfishing...there wasn't even one spearfish quest in the fisher quest line this time! And there were a few spearfish points in the maps.

I remember the Heavensward quests would even require you to get the legendary tomes/master recipe books and get stuff out of there.

idk, fishing is cool to chill but there's still like no point to it in FF. None of the fish sell for anything on the MB outside the fish that fishers use to turn in for leves. Just selling to other fishers lol.

And don't get me on desynthing fish, the jump between ilvl 320 fish and ilvl 390 fish at the start of shadowbringers really fucked up desynth.


I feel like Fisher needs a reboot in FF14. Min/Bot are always useful for mats, FSH really should start being more useful for something.


Shit, I just ran across this reddit comment from a month ago:

Quote
Just a quick note that this whole guide [on desynth] is going to be irrelevant soon. Apparently desynth is changing to something that won't be leveled and the success rate will always be 100%.

So if you were planning on pushing some desynth levels, I'd highly suggest waiting to see if we get further confirmation about the changes.

Oh man, they're gonna make easy desynth?? That's gonna be game changer for raiders to desynth raid gear they don't use and get $$ mats.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on September 26, 2019, 09:33:50 AM
I hope they revamp desynth, the barriers between expansions are terrible, caused me to pretty much give up aside from venture stuff.

Fishing is a breeze but for past few expansions there hasn't been much use aside from filling a bar. With very few exceptions has been selling leve or turn-in fish to other fishers for a while now, and that has slowed down a lot as people are capping. I think it's more of something people do just to relax in game for the most part tbh.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 30, 2019, 01:21:19 PM
Noticed the moogle thing went up today and still just says "until 5.1" with no specific date. I checked Stormblood at 4.1 came out Oct 7th so they're definitely running a bit behind. Nier raid must be pretty spectacular :)

Wonder if it'll even make October.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Chooky on September 30, 2019, 06:48:59 PM
they're aiming for late october, but if they don't put out a trailer in the next week or so...
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 03, 2019, 09:58:32 PM
Ran a 24-raid roulette as healer to get back into the swing of healing. I figured since 90% of the time it was CT, and now with moogle tomes it'll be 99% CT, that'll be quick and easy.

Got Dun Scaith  :doge

Funny thing is we got to Neo Diablos phase, had 1 wipe and then our other healer votes abandon (this was like 20 mins in) and when we don't DCs and I get to solo heal  :lol
We beat it pretty easily on 2nd try.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on October 07, 2019, 02:22:12 PM
I have decided I'm not a big fan of PVP but it really is the quickest way to get those irregular tomes so I'll keep doing it for a bit. Also the XP for it is INSANE so that's really nice :D

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(https://u.cubeupload.com/nws/ffxivdx1120191006221.png)
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on October 07, 2019, 06:25:16 PM
I've never really messed with it. How long do matches take/what are queues like?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on October 07, 2019, 06:35:46 PM
seems for frontline (aka battlegrounds) its three maps of king of the hill with moving capture points that rotate every day, there's three GC factions (of course) fighting with 24 man alliances. you can change jobs at your respawn point, which is nice too. queues are pretty quick and i've not had a match take over 15 mins (there's a 20 min time limit). there's a decent penalty for dying, you start with a 5 sec respawn timer and it adds 5 sec every time you die. it's okay but the game seems kinda slow and, at least for a dancer, you play pretty differently.

there's also "wolves den" which seems to be like wow arenas but you don't get irregular tomes for that so i'm not doing it lol

also theres good glamour gear and hairstyles you can buy with wolf marks so i'm gonna do a bit more of this :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on October 08, 2019, 07:09:29 PM
ok pvp is growing on me :lol this is pretty fun, getting mounts as an eventual reward helps too.

starting to get passably good too, i don't think dancer is suited much to it but i get plenty of assists

(https://i.imgur.com/I2uicWH.png)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 08, 2019, 07:21:41 PM
I honestly enjoy the pvp! But I hardly do it since I got what I needed rewards-wise.


And yeah, there's lots of neat glamor gear for every job in there. There's a bunch of full sets for ARR and a couple for each expansion. When I'm leveling a new job I always look at them and grab any pieces I like. WHM had a talking broom handle staff.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on October 12, 2019, 12:48:49 PM
Hit 80 on a draw pvp match :D now to finish the msq!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGsUIphU0AAjKVX?format=jpg&name=large)
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on October 18, 2019, 11:26:40 AM
5.1 trailer! Patch is dropping on the 29th

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhYvvfBY7p4
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on October 18, 2019, 12:11:28 PM
 :whew

I don't know what I was expecting but this exceeded it.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on October 18, 2019, 01:28:32 PM
Halloween event is going on now too. Gonna have to go hard to finish that and the MSQ by the 29th
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on October 19, 2019, 08:07:37 PM
halloween event is neat
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(https://u.cubeupload.com/nws/ffxivdx1120191019102.png)

(https://u.cubeupload.com/nws/ffxivdx1120191019101.png)

(https://u.cubeupload.com/nws/ffxivdx1120191019103.png)
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on October 22, 2019, 07:37:11 PM
well damn that last dungeon and trial are pretty cool
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on October 22, 2019, 07:38:17 PM
wrapped up? what did you think?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on October 22, 2019, 09:37:12 PM
i think it's my favorite story so far, but oddly i didn't really connect with many of the new characters, i think stormblood still has my favorite characters: hien, gosetsu, yotsuyu, and sadu i connected with more than most of the new people in ShB. i really liked emet-selch, easily the best villain so far. the bioshock zone at the end was pretty cool and really unexpected as well. the return of zenos is...interesting i guess? we'll see how that goes. i'm really not sure how they continue the story from here or how nier ties in but i'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 22, 2019, 09:39:15 PM
Ya, pretty much how I felt. Emel-Sech = best FF villain in forever, end cool stuff, rest was good but like the NPCs better in Stormblood like Gosetsu and Heian.

I've been busy but gotta do the halloween event before it's gone. Should have time first week of November to knock out 5.1.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on October 24, 2019, 11:05:23 AM
5.1 site was updated and the new PVP gear is :whew

(https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/promo/h/W/ef8EKHsavrvrxs8vXFnfW-vIBo.jpg)

and a sin eater mount!

(https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/promo/h/S/A-j8YlVluc9zAWr26BygMrgXVc.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on October 24, 2019, 11:10:41 AM
they could have maybe picked a slightly better screen of the mount, that looks like PS2-level geometry.  :lol

Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on October 24, 2019, 11:14:17 AM
yeah not the best first shot of it but i just made a sin eater glamour so now i'm thinking about the two combined and how great it'd look

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.redd.it/jcyltmmiwhu31.jpg)
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 24, 2019, 11:15:22 AM
That green full on cyborg ninja suit is good. Looks like SAM?

Not feeling the ones that show skin. Which is NIN?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on October 24, 2019, 11:21:25 AM
the one with the little cloak and light up shoes is great, dunno what job it is
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on October 25, 2019, 08:51:07 AM
Preliminary patch notes are up for Monday https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/8ce1cb59a72145623c96a2aeabdb5df4189ff01a

Dancer buffs and a bit of fixes for Bard makes me happy
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 25, 2019, 12:48:23 PM
Welp, that NIN reboot. No idea how it's gonna play out.

Instead of going all the way and removing trick attack and buffing NIN's personal dps, they reduce trick attack from 10% to 5%, increase the timer length and buff NIN's personal DPS to a degree.
Now Ninjutsu isn't every 20 seconds, but uses mudra charges that you have to build up. Ninjutsu magic is all about 2x more powerful.

Meanwhile they debuff the power of the ninki gauge attacks but also reduced their ninki cost so I guess you'll be spamming more of these.

Dunno how it will play out in the overall meta. that 5% team dps loss on trick attack is gonna take some real dps to make up for.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 28, 2019, 08:02:18 AM
Shoot, I had no idea most of your stuff is saved client-side. I built my new PC and booted up FF14 to try it out and all my crossbars are empty  :'( all my job sets are missing  :'( and all my settings are default  :'(

Just in time for the new patch lol


But damn, getting 144fps locked everywhere with all the graphic settings maxed out at 1440p is hella nice. Shadowbringers areas looking really good. Can't wait to do dungeons/raids/bosses with nice visuals.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on October 28, 2019, 08:33:10 AM
Oh no! If you still have access to your old PC they have an option on character select to upload your settings to the cloud, then you can get them back on the new PC.

I just upgraded to 1440p myself and it really does look good
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 28, 2019, 08:40:48 AM
Yeah I kept my old rig and it’s main ssd in case stuff comes like this comes up. That’s really good to know, will do that soon.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on October 28, 2019, 09:10:05 AM
good reminder for me to do that now that i've changed some settings for 1440p.

post with pics of the process/menu location: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/blog/002552.html
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on October 29, 2019, 01:31:14 PM
 :lol :lol :lol

https://twitter.com/AboveUp/status/1189219479118663684
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 29, 2019, 02:46:17 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on October 29, 2019, 04:01:59 PM
They changed crafting and gathering by a lot. shoulda waited.  :doge
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 29, 2019, 04:26:52 PM
Oh damn, will have some time this weekend so gonna have to learn all this stuff & the new ninja.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on October 29, 2019, 05:18:49 PM
well now i look like the genius for waiting to level mining for *checks notes* nine years
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 29, 2019, 05:39:57 PM
well now i look like the genius for waiting to level mining for *checks notes* nine years

 :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: bluemax on October 30, 2019, 12:18:58 AM
I listened to the Raid boss music. It is so good.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 30, 2019, 02:57:06 AM
I listened to the Raid boss music. It is so good.

Are they new arrangements?

The only disappointing part of Ivalice raid was all the music were just the old Sakimoto tracks with no new arrangements.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on October 30, 2019, 08:26:38 AM
Just the final boss is a new arrangement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVAgd9dbYIs

video has boss fight spoilers if you care
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 30, 2019, 04:01:51 PM
Went to try to do my weekly crafting custom deliveries for finishing up my white scrip gear outfits and fuck all my crafting options are greyed out! Didn’t realize updating crafting meant killing all my routines. Will have to learn this new crafting on the weekend so I don’t miss this week’s deliveries.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on October 30, 2019, 08:33:36 PM
Now that I’ve successfully gotten the WoW Classic monkey off my back I’ll probably catch up here soon. As a NIN main it sounds like I should wait for 5.1 to hit and the smoke to clear a bit?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on November 05, 2019, 09:50:04 AM
5.1 is out now and it sounds like NIN came out better after all the changes.

Also after a few dungeon runs I now have the GS to run the Nier raid :jeb
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Tiops on November 05, 2019, 02:43:00 PM
Oh look, you guys have a FFXIV thread here. Cool.

Already lost a week of alliance raid loot, as I was a lazy fuck last week and didn't play enough. Let's see if I can roll that glamour set this week, but rolling a 97+ will be hard. Here's my tall, floortank bunnygirl:

(https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/f/aae0afce4c5c8c3aa4d941aae3c513d5_be20385e18333edb329d4574f364a1f0fl0_640x873.jpg?1572981547)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on November 05, 2019, 08:19:31 PM
Welcome!

So thebore was down when I read the patch notes and messed around with 5.1 over the weekend. Here's how it went:

Gathering - New sneak is great and more importantly OUT OF REACH IS GONE meaning on current level unspoiled nodes you don't have to waste a % hit on first activating the node. This means you get 1 or 2 extra collectibles/items gathered per node. Also auto unspoiled node locator is nice like mounted stealth.

Crafting - Crafting things 10 levels under is amazing. You hit AUTO HQ BUTTON and instantly get 100% HQ and then hit one progress to finish. On current level items, much easier to HQ 40 items and 70/80 durability items now with being able to increase progress & quality by 100% per hit. Also not having to use a turn or SP on steady hand and the truth of elemental one gets you 3 hits of 200% progress for like 50 SP which ain't bad.  Reworking the hotbars on all crafters is annoying but w/e, will have to get the hang of ideal rotations.

NIN - Not sure if any more/less fun. Slower now that you can't weave ninjutsu between physical combos and you're firing ninjutsu so much you're almost never even doing standard 1->2->3 combos anymore. The damage increase and insane burst ability is pretty cool though. Fighting single mobs for hunts or whatever they die before you can finish one burst rotation you're throwing out so much damage. Bodes well for boss DPS which makes up for 5% of trick attack they lose.

Nier Raid - Pretty cool. Wish the shmup ball dodging was a bit tougher and more shmupy like Nier, final boss original music is great.

MSQ - Only started this and got past the dungeon. Dungeon was fun enough. I liked the mechanics in a couple of the bosses.

New PVP Gear - Yes, NIN gets the cool Grey Fox gear. Will have to grind that at some point.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on November 05, 2019, 08:41:08 PM
Remember you can copy hotbars when redoing crafters.  :)

Haven’t played in a few weeks, will see lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on November 05, 2019, 10:23:27 PM
Whaaaaaaaaat

How?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on November 05, 2019, 10:24:28 PM
Also market board for HQ items gonna crash because of how easy it is to HQ now. Especially older mats.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on November 05, 2019, 10:43:04 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/6j0nve/how_to_make_your_crafting_hotbars_uniform_easily/

Looks like the above but didn't get too into, I think I posted macro earlier in thread when i found it but prob easier to google a bit. Basically set one then change class and copy direct, did not take long.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on November 05, 2019, 11:12:00 PM
Wow, that is helpful. Going to put it to use now.

Depending on how long the MSQ is might burn through the rest tonight. With the dungeon out of the way it should just be cutscenes and talking to people I suppose.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on November 06, 2019, 12:29:20 AM
Lol, old custom deliveries on bonus week

Instant HQ 100% -> Easy Synth = done, 2 buttons for max white scrips!

I mean it was always easy but this instant HQ thing at lvl.80 for crafters is sorta amazing time saver.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on November 06, 2019, 08:51:45 AM
why do old white scrip stuff?

(https://i.imgur.com/oCF5sFR.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on November 06, 2019, 08:56:29 AM
didn't end up doing nier last night, just pvp'd instead. i did not expect this outcome when i starting running frontlines for mounts. :lol either way finally got enough wolf marks to afford one of the pvp haircuts

(https://i.imgur.com/xdtI8KC.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on November 06, 2019, 02:17:07 PM
why do old white scrip stuff?

(https://i.imgur.com/oCF5sFR.jpg)

???

Weekly custom deliveries is 2 sets, right. Go with whichever 2 is giving the bonus for the week. Since there's only 1 new custom delivery set for Shadowbringers introduced in 5.1, the other set is still gonna be 60-70 items with one of those recipients. Now you can instant 100% HQ them in like 5 seconds. Free easy white scrips.


Crafting - Crafting things 10 levels under is amazing. You hit AUTO HQ BUTTON and instantly get 100% HQ and then hit one progress to finish.
!!!

That's insane, haven't kept up much but that'd normally tank the economy. I made millions on millions for putting in the small effort for making early stuff HQ, and there isn't much from this expansion (like the last) to make an economy from.

Yup, I sell old HQ stuff too for $$$. So far markets haven't crashed too much on old stuff, but it's only been a week and a lot of crafters probably aren't back yet.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on November 07, 2019, 01:50:39 AM
Alright, finished the 5.1 MSQ. Was ok, mostly boring epilogue stuff. Will run Nier a few more times and use the beast tribes to finish up NIN and WHM to 80, but generally good to take a break until next year when 5.2 hits. I'm one set of white scrips away from finishing all 8 crafters in white scrip gear too, so almost caught up. New crafting definitely makes crafting easier.

I appreciate that they added VERY EASY difficulty to solo instances on retries.
Would be better if their engine could just add fucking checkpoints to solo instance dungeons with boss fights. Like you die and respawn outside the boss area to try again like what happens in an MP dungeon. I don't get why they can't do that. Especially when you're 20 mins into a single player cutscene dungeon boss instance and then get instant wiped because of something going on you're not even noticing. But at least on replay can set it to very easy and blow through it much quicker and pretty much instant win. Still, just add fucking checkpoints plz.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on November 07, 2019, 10:00:15 AM
i know exactly the bit you are talking about and goddamn that was annoying. :lol i died to the same thing and just shook my head when they just dumped me back to the start of the quest again.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on November 08, 2019, 02:08:16 PM
Other big 5.1 changes.

-Quick Synthesis Crafting can no longer fail. This means if you have your retainer gather hundreds of mats and then just auto-craft you won't lose like 20-30% of the items potentially. On cheap stuff that was always whatever, but when you're crafting stuff that sells for like 10k-20k per item, and you're crafting like 20 of them in auto-craft, losing 5-7 of them always sucked. Definitely a nice QoL thing to be able to auto-craft and then go do something else and come back to all your crafted items.

This combined with auto-HQ and easier crafting is definitely killing the MB now that we're on week #2. For instance Dwarven Cotton used to sell for about 10k-15k each and today they're ~2k each.

-Desynth can no longer fail which completely makes leveling desynth irrelevant gj SE, all those desynth levels that cost millions of gil and time desynthing a thousand items? Only difference in desynthing an i450 item at lvl.1 desynth and lvl.450 desynth is at lvl.450 you increase the chances of getting good items from the desynth. But you can still get them on lvl.1 desynth and will still get some mat at lvl.1 desynth. So yeah, no point leveling desynth now. But now instead of dumping market prohibited gear I get from retainers for GC seals I desynth them and sell whatever mat I get instead.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on November 10, 2019, 05:11:33 PM
Got the 2B glamour!

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on November 12, 2019, 02:12:20 PM
5.11 notes: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/d7d53d91c131adfdc71ad0f270f1d38252e5aa39

mainly focused around ishgard rebuilding for crafters, but there's also ultimate alexander and a bunch of new glamour items (including the sky pirate/sky rat gear now being available to all classes)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on November 12, 2019, 02:37:37 PM
Ooh, alexander ultimate might be a fun watch.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on November 12, 2019, 02:43:09 PM
People are streaming it now. Watched a bit during lunch...it's (unsurprisingly) hard as fuck
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 04, 2019, 05:05:59 PM
So I popped back in this and was gonna do weekly custom deliveries to finish out my white scrip sets but suddenly I can't craft anything because I'm out of CP???

My i440 crafter has like 217 CP max, I swear before I left on vacation a month ago my CP was like 300-ish. Did SE reduce max CP for crafters? I don't know how to craft suddenly :(
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 04, 2019, 05:07:46 PM
Nm, somehow all my right-side gear had broken while I was gone?

I repaired it and my CP max went from 217 to 467.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on December 24, 2019, 01:16:28 PM
Merry Christmas! Game is free for 5 days for lapsed accounts so I came back to do the holiday stuff and fiddle around with Summoner a bit. Will probably then just wait for the next raid update :D

(https://u.cubeupload.com/nws/ffxivdx1120191224101.png)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: MMaRsu on December 24, 2019, 01:21:05 PM
Merry Christmas! Game is free for 5 days for lapsed accounts so I came back to do the holiday stuff and fiddle around with Summoner a bit. Will probably then just wait for the next raid update :D

(https://u.cubeupload.com/nws/ffxivdx1120191224101.png)

shiit I was on ps4 how do i continue on pc?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 24, 2019, 01:30:53 PM
Nice photo as always!

I think I'll log in and do the starlight event tonight. Otherwise taking a break from the game now. Finished up the Eulmore custom deliveries but that's about it. Haven't even looked into the rebuilding Ishgard quest. Any idea where to find it?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on December 24, 2019, 01:35:09 PM
you can only log in for free on versions you owned before but the pc complete edition is 50% off right now and comes with 30 days free so it's not too bad of a deal if you keep playing

https://store.eu.square-enix-games.com/en_EU/product/565219/final-fantasy-xiv-online-complete-edition-pc-download

Haven't even looked into the rebuilding Ishgard quest. Any idea where to find it?
It's in Foundation, there's some coords and info on what to do here

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/ishgardian_restoration/
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on December 24, 2019, 01:41:47 PM
Merry Christmas!
(http://i.imgur.com/3FTg0wf.jpg)

I have been trying to get back to try the Nier raid but just hasn't happened lol. I may actually pop on for the holiday event tomorrow but depends on fam etc.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 25, 2019, 04:35:01 AM
Did the Ishgard stuff. What a ripoff grind.

Basically ran the numbers and for every 100k gil you spend on 99 mats set and 20-30 mins crafting about 16 max quality items (6/6/6/1 mats for lvl.70 instant HQ) you get ~320 skybuilder scrips. To get the 2 mounts + 3 glam pieces you need about 18,000. This means you'd have to repeat the above 20-30 mins of crafting 56 times which is approximately 18-28 hours of crafting and cost you about 5.6 million gil and this just gets you enough scrips for 2 mounts and 2 shirts and 1 pants. If you want the minions and stuff that's going to be even more.

crazy grind. no thanks. white scrip gear grind with custom deliveries is about the max grind I'm willing to do for crafting.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on December 31, 2019, 12:45:52 PM
Xmas stuff ends today I believe. Heavensturn also starts today
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/2020/Heavensturn/

Also a new pic since I hit 50 on SMN (and I really like the Ironworks gear). It's neat and pretty good in PVE but I really dislike this job for PVP. Just too slow for me

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(https://u.cubeupload.com/nws/ffxivdx1120191230005.png)
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on January 14, 2020, 10:12:20 AM
New Moogle event - gives a couple cool mounts and some glam gear
https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/mogmog-collection/202001/

People are saying this means the next patch will be late Feb judging by the timing of the other Moogle events. Guess I'll be doing a bunch of leveling in PVP til then :D
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 23, 2020, 01:43:10 PM
People are saying next patch is probably Feb 18th.

Just hit 79 with NIN and almost 79 with WHM. Will have them to 80 this weekend most likely. Will be nice to do next set of raids as Tank/DPS/Healer.

The new crafting rotations are so good, I was gear up my 79 NIN and was so easy to HQ 40 dur mats and HQ gear. Very useful for gearing up alternate classes though the MB definitely has taken this into account. HQ 78 gear is like 40k on mb per piece which is nothing.

Still only done Nier raid once. It’s hard for me to have the patience to do 24 man raids more than once or twice since they’re so long. Only did the last Ivalice raid once as well. Also no guaranteed loot sucks for a 60-90 min time commitment, especially since you’re max level and aren’t getting xp. A few tomes isn’t really worth the time. 8 man raids are good because they’re like 10 mins and you get a chance for loot. I feel like they should guarantee some loot in 24 man like in story dungeons for your job. When I ran Nier raid as drk I didn’t get a single drk piece.

When I hit 80 with these two I’ll probably run the Nier raid again with them.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 28, 2020, 01:31:25 AM
Hit 80 with NIN :D
Just gotta do the DPS role quest now for my i430 gear and the lvl.80 job quest then do a run on Eden Tier 1 and Nier #1

Then will hit 80 with WHM soon and do the same.

The new NIN rotation is solid. Dungeon mobs are definitely more fun because of the crazy burst magic you do at the start and here and there. On single target bosses, the rotation is a lot different than before so it's a bit weird. Doesn't seem any better or worse, just different rotation so I gotta learn it.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on January 28, 2020, 05:32:26 PM
been slowly leveling smn still but was gonna quit and try something else, mainly cause i was getting bored with the job. then i ran an expert df on dancer and saw a smn doing all kinda of cooler shit that i have and i remember....JOB QUESTS! I haven't done any since 60, no wonder I didn't get anything new :lol

also valentines starts tomorrow, looks like a change of pace this year
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/2020/Valentiones_Day/

requisite pic
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(https://u.cubeupload.com/nws/ffxivdx1120200127182.png)
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on January 28, 2020, 06:38:17 PM
https://twitter.com/songofalchemy/status/1222208292778213377

:rofl no wonder i can't get those perfect shot poses i see sometimes. i figured it was mods but this is another level
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 31, 2020, 01:28:16 AM
What mods are they using? I honestly can't tell the difference in that shot.


Finished the fairy beat tribe yay. Will do the valentines event this weekend or next week when I have some time.

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(https://i.imgur.com/MQABnPJh.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/4KnwIMmh.jpg)
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My WHM is ready to hit 80 soon. I was cleaning up my armory and I have a ton of lvl.80 WHM pieces for some reason. Probably be able to jump right into Omega without the job gear.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on January 31, 2020, 08:21:31 AM
they are probably using a reshade mod to make the colors pop, cause everyone does these days, but the joke is in the full image which i just realized the embedded tweet doesn't show (oops)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPYn9UIUEAEWRCV?format=jpg&name=small)

 :lol

fairy tribe is the only beast tribe i've completed. i really should get on crafting so i can do the namazu one. the mount from that is pretty great.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 31, 2020, 12:34:17 PM
lolololol that hat
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2020, 12:58:29 PM
WHM is up to 80 now from daily 5 min beast tribes wooo. I like the lvl.80 paladin wings WHM gets :D

my NIN is 422 and WHM is 432 just from random gear I've gotten with my DRK and some Goeta tomes. Need to do both role quests when I get a chance and the job i430 gear to boost up both.
Main goal is just to have NIN/WHM at enough ilvl do jump into Eden Tier 2 normal when it launches this month.

Might start leveling up a ranged caster for the role quest thing with just using beast tribes or a jump potion. Either RDM or BLM. RDM sounds more fun to me in concept but BLM is always gonna be better balanced since it's what Yoshi-P plays. Also RDM rotation supposedly dumb as bricks right now and BLM is pretty good from what I hear.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 04, 2020, 01:06:07 PM
What's the ilvl for Eden 2? I'm at like 455 on my dancer right now, does it need 460?

Also don't forget you can just craft/buy 450 gear and upgrade it to 460 with goetias if anyone needs a quick boost
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2020, 06:06:24 PM
Since Tier 1 is 425 and Nier is 435, guessing 445 for Tier 2. You normally can get in safely with the gear from the previous Tier which is 450 minus weapon (my weapon's i440 tome).
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 04, 2020, 06:34:41 PM
ok good. still gonna grind a bit more just to get a few other bits upgraded but at least i'm good to get in
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2020, 06:55:39 PM
Also don't forget you can just craft/buy 450 gear and upgrade it to 460 with goetias if anyone needs a quick boost

Also I've never messed with the whole trade in program. At some point I should try it for upgrading. Even my best geared main DRK is only i446, though I almost have enough tomes to get the i460->i470 weapon which will bring it up.

No one does hunts anymore since the instances merged. That was always the quickest low effort way to get tomes. Hoping when new Tomes are out next patch the hunts pick up again.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 04, 2020, 06:58:37 PM
im just running roulettes and the daily pvp and that's giving enough for most of the upgrades pretty well. did some server hopping for the best gear prices and ended up spending only like 500-600k. not too bad to get me to where i need to be.

it seems like the best way to gear an alt for sure, especially if you can craft the gear yourself
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: remy on February 04, 2020, 07:10:49 PM
What's the ilvl for Eden 2? I'm at like 455 on my dancer right now, does it need 460?

Also don't forget you can just craft/buy 450 gear and upgrade it to 460 with goetias if anyone needs a quick boost
Hopefully I can run it. I think I'm gonna resub for it and do Nier while I'm at it. I got all the eden regular stuff, and the stuff from the Ex trials for my gunbreaker so I think I'm good.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2020, 07:17:31 PM
Ok, I actually looked it up and I was off, it's i455 to get in with i480 gear rewards.

Yeah I'm gonna have to buy/craft my way into this.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 08, 2020, 08:46:33 PM
I've not done anything new of interest, just wanted to post this (imo) excellent glam shot :lol

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(https://u.cubeupload.com/nws/EQSKWaPVAAAvxXv.jpg)
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 09, 2020, 01:36:08 PM
I was gonna say that's looking dangerously close to Kitty but realized all catgirls look the same.  :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 12, 2020, 11:57:27 AM
Last weekend before the patch! Gonna do some last minute moogle/goetia tome grinding (gotta get a neck and bracelet and then I'm all 460/470 gear) and then level up ROG/NIN as much as I can before I switch back to doing some raid business

Also I went back to red hair so we're different again, Akala :D
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 13, 2020, 10:43:35 AM
new tome and crafted gear

(https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/promo/h/w/lI4lzcp2TrRZB9D0ps541xq1Wo.jpg)

(https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/promo/h/7/XtSOTPIbQMEdGVLVASr_aPMm3g.jpg)

combine a few pieces from both ranged sets and you'll have something solid
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 13, 2020, 04:06:53 PM
oh yeah the ishgard thing. eh. I really liked the doma thing, not sure if worth coming back quite yet. I think I have been internally planning to give it to 5.3 but I should probably do the Nier raid before no one does them anymore (a la Ivalice) and catch up to story.

I have played more stuff than I've played in years since not playing FFXIV all the time. I also realized I bought way too many games without playing them so trying to go back through a few.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 13, 2020, 04:12:32 PM
now is the best time to do nier cause people are still running it for gear upgrades but almost everyone who wanted the 2B outfit already got it, so that will be easier to win. plus you can still sell the orchestral rolls for a decent chunk if you win one and don't want it.

the crafted gear isn't an ishgard thing, just a new tier level for crafters to make some dough/gear alts. will probably start at 460/470?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 13, 2020, 04:50:24 PM
I didnt even think of the Orchestrion.  :drool
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 13, 2020, 05:03:51 PM
breh having this playing all the time is :lawd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7MKIkvAniY
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 13, 2020, 05:05:15 PM
omg new mount. what are odds it sings LA HEE

(https://i.imgur.com/mAHpNIm.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 17, 2020, 05:50:50 PM
Finished the DPS role quest and lvl.80 NIN Job quest. My first lvl.80 job quest with DRK I was expecting more and disappointed but now I was expecting nothing and it was a fun little quest.
Started on Eden Raid set 1 with NIN and gearing up to i455. Will get DRK/NIN up to i455 and then do the Healer role quest and WHM lvl.80 quest and gear WHM up next. Goal is to get all 3 roles Tank/DPS/Healer to i455 in the next week or two so can run weekly normal raids with all 3, whichever is more fun.

If Eden #1 is anything to go by, it's pretty easy/quick to gear up to i450 with Eden right now. Almost everyone leaves without betting on the loot and with 3-4 people betting on like 8-9 pieces you get a few usually.

(https://i.imgur.com/6zIRGs6h.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 17, 2020, 06:22:14 PM
Just started leveling ROG a couple days ago cause everyone speaks so highly of NIN I had to try it out (plus I saw a NIN glam I want to use lol). It has reminded me of how spoiled I am as ranged DPS. :lol Got DNC to i460 before Eden 2 which was my goal so I'm happy where I am and ready for the patch!

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(https://i.imgur.com/xXlFgqX.png)
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 17, 2020, 10:45:20 PM
oh and i got this guy too

(https://i.imgur.com/VAHsUcN.png?1)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 17, 2020, 11:38:59 PM
Lol, was finishing my Eden Tier #1 runs with NIN. Beat Titan and when loot popped up the server disconnected. Server's not supposed to go down for another 24 mins! :|


So tell me again, how does this crafted gear exchange work since it seems like the quickest way to get to i455 once the servers are back up. Right now the best crafted gear on the MB (or crafting yourself) is HQ i450 gear. Now using this token exchange thing, what ilvl gear can you get from it?

My NIN is at i437, WHM at i435 and DRK at i446. I just need 60 more tomes to get the i470 weapon for my DRK so going from i440->i470 weapon should give me a bunch of ilvl and get me close to i455 with DRK.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 18, 2020, 08:21:02 AM
the previous tier of gear upgrade from crafted was 450 to 460 level. i guess there's a new level of crafted tier for this patch, but i don't know the ilvl of it.

basically you purchase/craft HQ Facet gear (450) for whatever job, then you take it to Hillicen in Eulmore and buy Kholusian Rain from her for 100 tomes per Rain. Then you give her the facet gear and she gives you Certificates of Import. Then you trade the Rain and Certificates for Augmented Facet gear (460 and dyable). You can do this for gear, weapons, and accessories.

e: patch notes are up
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/b0151eaed1faecb46061b947cf9c08bed75d230d
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 18, 2020, 10:49:23 AM
I guess the new crafted gear is 480 so maybe just make that instead if you can :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Vit-Symty on February 18, 2020, 01:23:04 PM
Skimmed through the patch notes, some good stuff in there. I might as well renew my sub soon.

Knowing my luck, I'll get dragged into doing PvP the moment I log in.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 18, 2020, 01:51:57 PM
I guess the new crafted gear is 480 so maybe just make that instead if you can :lol

Heh, with the new i470 gear & food I can make the bare min to allow crafting of the i480 gear but whether I can finish a HQ meld on that is doubtful, plus Mats are probably millions of gil.

Probably easier to make/buy i450 gear and trade up to i460.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 18, 2020, 01:55:25 PM
ya the 450 gear was like 150-250k apiece when i got it and the price will probably drop now that there's new hotness out there. i had no idea crafting was that expensive, in wow its usually the cheaper option.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 19, 2020, 12:34:27 AM
Was lazy and spent 4-5 million gil (it's nice to have 100 million+ lol) on a few i480 pieces to get to i455 and into Eden's Verse.

(https://i.imgur.com/lpWPGy4h.jpg)

Verse 1 is fun in that you're moving around dodging shit a lot. Still a bit too easy.
Verse 2 is really.fucking.good. This is the standout for sure. Took us a few wipes and barley cleared. I gotta imagine on Savage this will be insane and the chokepoint.
Verse 3 is wow, didn't think they could make a more boring boss than Gate 3. The boss basically has 1 attack sequence it just repeats for like 8 mins. This is going to be the most boring weekly one to run. Really bad design imo. It's main attack sequence was already done in a dungeon boss in shadowbringers.
Verse 4 is pretty cool. A bit easy in terms of not a lot of mechanics to keep track of or wipes, but it's a good mix of stuff. Maybe goes on too long. Also the

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DPS check phase at 0.01% is pretty evil. Sure it's easy on normal, but imagine on Savage if it's not an instant win having to do the entire long ass fight over and over only to die on 0.01% dps check after a long non-skippable cutscene phase change.
Seems like a bad design.
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Anyhow Verse 2 made the whole run worth it. Got a few pieces and tomes along the way too (i465 now with my DRK). Will run the new trial next time and then save the MSQ for last.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 19, 2020, 12:40:17 AM
Oh and +1 for adding a hot goth girl to the game.

(https://i.imgur.com/hseiI7zh.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 19, 2020, 08:13:17 AM
Square has to get the zoomers into the game by adding their favorite musician ;)

(https://i.imgur.com/UPl2HXG.jpg?1)

I meant to pop in last night to at least do Eden but between my wife being sick and having to clean a few things, plus playing with the cat I never got a chance. Tonight (probably)!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 19, 2020, 12:16:08 PM
I logged on and am in the novice net again. I am a total asshole that left myself a full inventory and my crafting hotbars scare me.  :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 19, 2020, 01:53:21 PM
I logged on and am in the novice net again. I am a total asshole that left myself a full inventory and my crafting hotbars scare me.  :lol

 :lol

Crafting is really easy now. Takes about 30-60 mins to get the hang of the new rotations.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 19, 2020, 02:45:17 PM
So let me get this straight, the new ocean fishing is a 24 player instance that spawns on a server every 2 hours and only allows the first 24 people on? And it lasts 15 mins to catch some rare fish?

Yeaaaah, I feel like I'm never going to even get on if that's the case.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 20, 2020, 02:17:20 AM
Unlocked the gatherer beast tribe. Since my gatherers are all 80 dunno if I'll bother doing any of these, but they seem alright. Was wondering how they'd handle fishing and it's underwater nodes which makes sense.

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 20, 2020, 10:53:31 AM
was kinda interested in ocean fishing for the shark mount but that setup sounds like something i'd never be on at the right time to do
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 21, 2020, 12:43:51 AM
Ruby Weapon trial was pretty cool on normal. Didn't expect the second half to be what it was.

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Shadowbringers has a lot of ARR throwbacks
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Yeah, no idea when I'll ever get to try Ocean Fishing when it always looks like this. Will try on the weekend when I have the time to be there right when the recruiting for the next spot 2 hours later opens up to spam and try to get in.

(https://i.imgur.com/8TvH7pgh.jpg)


Now just have the MSQ left. Will do it over the weekend most likely. I appreciate that when you're caught up in FF14 you can basically do all the new stuff in a patch in like a week and then you're good for a few months other than grinding stuff if you want. Makes it a very manageable MMO.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 21, 2020, 06:16:07 PM
did not expect that second bit of ruby weapon, what a fun fight! i saw the quest unlocks an extreme version, but is that premade parties only? i didn't see it in the duty finder list.

e: saw the new crafted cap for cheapish and grabbed it for the look and ilvl (480). it has an eyepatch you can turn on/off with /visor and is dyable too!

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(https://i.imgur.com/Dj07Qya.png)
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 21, 2020, 09:34:06 PM
Yeah, Ex versions and Savage are not in the duty finder. Need to use party finder.

Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 22, 2020, 08:48:35 AM
Also side note, goddamn that Ruby Weapon story is depressing. I don't see this going well for anyone involved :(

Gonna do the MSQ and Eden today at some point I think.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 22, 2020, 10:52:48 AM
Yeah, continuing the whole grimdark theme of Shadowbringers expansion.


I did a good portion of the msq last night. Not bad, I think the 2nd half / 5.3 may be kind of interesting/less-filler-than-usual. It seems like

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back half of 5.2 will be about Eldibus' past and developing him as a character so that in 5.3 he can be the boss and they can finish the Ascian story out before the next xpac. I thought 5.3 would be Zenos trial finally, but it really seems like they're pushing Eldibus now and Zenos is gonna be part of the next xpac (garlamead assumingly)
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Probably finish the msq today and start on the healer role quest & job quest I gotta do.

I ran Nier raid again, this time as DPS, last night. Got a lot of the gear, but man idk if our dps was just really bad, but those fights still take a loooong time.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 22, 2020, 11:31:30 AM
oh
my
god

https://v.redd.it/tqi43ji90ii41
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 22, 2020, 01:09:56 PM
oh
my
god

https://v.redd.it/tqi43ji90ii41

haha

Is this through hacking? Because the beast tribe came out less than a week ago and it usually takes about a month to 1.5 months of dailies to get to the final level with the mount...
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 22, 2020, 01:12:46 PM
not sure, might be like the faerie quests where you get one that lets you ride the mount for a little bit
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 22, 2020, 02:29:49 PM
Makes sense.

Finished the MSQ, solid stuff. The finale for shadowbringers expansion next patch could be good.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 22, 2020, 08:41:29 PM
Finished the healer role quest and lvl.80 whm quest.

The only role quest I haven't done is the ranged magic, but I thought the healer one was the best of the ones I did. If I get bored during the summer when I'm pretty caught up I may buy a jump potion for BLM to 70 and do the ranged magic one.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 22, 2020, 09:09:14 PM
oh and the WHM job gear is fucking ugly as hell thanks to the head piece. Like are you supposed to be a magic nun?

(https://i.imgur.com/7ZMzBCJh.jpg)

And the 2B gear from the Nier raid is lol, I thought I was gonna get the guy version...

(https://i.imgur.com/xnuKqBDh.jpg)

Rolling with a modified version of the job gear/nier gear for my WHM

(https://i.imgur.com/ETVb4PFh.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 23, 2020, 05:18:04 AM
Man, did the first raid set of Eden as WHM and healing is so much more fun than tank or dps on these normal raids/trials.

I feel like with tank/dps unless there's some tough mechanics, these fights are pretty straightforward and you just dodge AoEs and that's it. Hell as a tank you barely need to use cooldowns anymore on normal stuff. I feel like if you don't have vuln stacks, nothing on normal can one shot you even with zero cooldowns at full HP.

But with healer, these fights are intense. Gotta keep moving around and dodging all the same AoEs, but also constantly party healing with all your party heals and shielding and regen-ing the tank and picking up any slack from people getting hit and reviving when people are dying. There's always stuff to do and it makes these fights pretty exciting.

Afterwards I turned in my tomes so far and bought a couple of pieces (mostly just i480 weapons) and got my NIN and WHM to i455 each so they're good for Ruby & Eden Tier 2. Will do those next (still need to do Nier raid as healer, will do that maybe tomorrow). Not that excited about the fights as NIN since will be pretty similar to running them as DRK, but pretty excited to do them as WHM since it's the first time I'll be healing current patch content and it should be even more of a challenge.

I think I'm mixed on 4 person dungeons whether I prefer to heal or tank. Tanking is pretty fun, especially on longer pulls hitting your cooldowns and trying to survive. I kinda wish they didn't dumb down aggro management with shadowbringers where it's basically impossible to lose aggro with aggro stance on. I miss the challenge of having to watch all the enemies enmity and provoke and grab enemies that start to stray. Having to watch that + watch your HP and cooldowns was pretty intense in dungeons as tank. It's still fun though. Healing is fun too as long as the tank isn't doing crazy pulls, mostly just keeping the tank healed but on pulls that can be pretty exciting. DPS is zzzzzzzzzzzzz in dungeons. Even in raids/trials DPS is pretty boring. Yeah you are doing bigger numbers than the tank, but since there's 8 people (or 24) you don't really notice your hits when they're doing less than 1% HP damage. Meanwhile tank you basically are doing a lot of the same things plus cooldowns and keeping the enemy faced away so it's a bit more fun.

From here on out will figure out whether to do things first as HLR or TNK. Might run Healer first next expansion.


If I ever get back to trying to do Ex/Savage content though I'll probably do them as NIN because less stuff to worry about. I could see myself maybe tanking those provided I can communicate well enough on tank swaps with the other tank since otherwise it's not much more and sometimes even less to do than DPS.

But I don't think I'm ever gonna try to heal current Ex/Savage content. With how intense and barely surviving healing these fights on normal, I just don't see that going well.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 23, 2020, 10:24:14 AM
the first set of eden isn't too bad on savage but this new stuff is gonna be brutal. supposedly the new content for 5.2 has a new encounter designer in charge and it shows. i'm really into the increased level of mechanics but also i usually only go story mode these days, spent enough time being hardcore in wow and i'm just on the periphery of that now.

same reason i stick to mostly dps now, my entire wow career was healing or tanking and i'm liking the change of playing all the different dps classes.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 23, 2020, 01:50:32 PM
Are the news savage/ex fights really any harder though? Most people seem to be clearing Ruby Ex no problem and the 2nd phase which on normal seems liked it'd be the most crazy in Extreme, is actually supposed to be pretty easy in Ex and the first phase is the tough one. Also I see lots of normal people in party finder clearing E5S, E6S already.

I did all the Ex fights in the game through Byakko in 4.2 and bailed at Shinryu Ex because it looked scary lol, haven't done an Extreme fight since.
Savage I cleared about half of Alexander and only the first fight in Omega. I could never get a clear party at the time for O2S with the big tentacle ball.

Basically Shinryu Ex and Omega Tier 1 Savage seemed pretty damn hard already, so I'd be surprised if this new battle designer stuff is really any harder. My impression has been that outside the Ultimate stuff for hardcores, the main game (outside Titania normal at launch lol) and Ex/Savage content has gotten easier in Shadowbringers to try to have more mainstream appeal.


At some point I do want to get back to Ex/Savage raiding since it's been officially 2 years now since I bailed out after 4.2. A lot of the most memorable moments I've had with FF14 has been getting first time clears on Ex fights.
Just gotta find the time. I remember every Ex/Savage fight taking up an entire day in learning parties to clear, or sometimes 2-3 nights of attempts until clear. Was just a huge time sucking thing and I've been playing other games and FF14 isn't really my main gaming time, so yeah.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 23, 2020, 03:51:09 PM
Ok did ocean fishing.

Basically all the information it gives you about queues are bullshit. I only learned this because my FC told me to ignore it all. Just be there every 2 hours when it starts and join a PF and you'll get in. Takes 20 mins, is mostly RNG based but gotta check for what bait to use in each area. Goal is to catch the spectral fish to trigger the spectral waters where you get the good fish. Save cordials double hook for spectral waters and !! and !!! pulls and pray for RNG gods.

Minion is 5000 points
Mount is 10000 points

Apparently content will be dead in a month because for the bonus % at the end which you need it is partly based on your team's performance so without a team once everyone gets their mounts...yeah. You also get scrips from it, so it's not a terrible way to get gathering scrips but it's hard to get white scrips and yellow scrips aren't worth much anyhow.

Was fun, got a little over 5k on my run so got the minion. Probably ok with that. Might try it one or two more times in the future but I'm ok with not grinding out the mount since it's RNG based.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 23, 2020, 03:52:00 PM
Otoh if you're leveling FSH it does seem a good way to level since you're catching fish every couple seconds for 20 mins straight. Much faster than grinding out fishes without leves. Might be useful next xpac to level up.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 23, 2020, 11:34:06 PM
I ran the Nier raid as WHM and I wasn't feeling that well so my brain was lagging like a second behind which caused me to get hit by EVERYTHING on the first boss.
I died about 8 times in that first fight. The other healer kept ressing me and must've thought I was mentally distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

Luckily I woke up and played fine for the rest and didn't die. Other healer died a few times and I brought him back so felt ok about it in the end. Was a fun raid to heal. People get hit A LOT by some of the giant attacks from off-screen.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 26, 2020, 12:06:38 AM
Healed Eden 5 normal and actually had to learn the fight haha
With tank it's so easy to just cruise through a lot of mechanics and face tank them.

That's a pretty great fight on normal. Perfect balance of challenge for a non-savage/ex fight.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 26, 2020, 09:10:17 AM
i bought the yshtola outfit :-[

e: and it's great

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 27, 2020, 12:16:22 AM
That is a nice outfit 👍
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 27, 2020, 12:17:10 AM
Is it weird that we’re only in week 2 of new raid and no one is doing weekly normal raid runs for gear? These healer queues are loooong.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 27, 2020, 12:58:25 AM
Being barely get in ilvl healer in these raids is scary.

Raidwide attack does like 95% of my HP
1 mistake and carry 1 vuln stack and raidwide one shots me ;_;

I need to gear up my healer.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 27, 2020, 01:35:18 AM
Ok, having done all the new Eden fights as underleveled WHM with teams that wiped for 30-40 mins each.
These are pretty well designed fights though I still think E7N is kinda dull once you get the pattern down.

I was actually surprised, on tank night one E6N was the toughest, but this time around E6N seemed kinda easy as healer.

healing E7N is ROUGH depending on your group and how many people are gonna fuck up the mechanic and take hit after hit.
E8N has some chokepoints. Our first run I died before the add phase and the other healer couldn't raise me in time and that's an instant wipe with only 1 healer. The mirror mechanics and couple of mechanic stacks can pretty much one-shot you as a healer so you gotta be quick and careful.

Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 27, 2020, 04:23:12 AM
Started trying to learn Red Mage. Everyone says the job is ez pz, but the rotation is making my head explode trying to feel right.

I don't like how the basic rotation is RNG based and you can't just do 1->2->3. Always trying to stay on top of when dualcast is up/down even/odd casts is a lot of work! And all that gauge build up for 15-20 seconds to hit 80/80 just to get a single 3 hit melee combo in...doesn't feel satisfying. Maybe it gets better as it goes along. I also was dying pretty quick at i120 lvl.50 fighting lvl.51 enemies on the map at western coetheras while messing around with my chocobo.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on February 27, 2020, 08:21:41 AM
in the discord i'm in with ff players, they are all doing savage runs already. everyone seems to have just skipped over normal :'(
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 28, 2020, 10:13:36 PM
I'm in a queue! Wth!

Did they merge some servers?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 05, 2020, 09:27:31 PM
Did week 3 of Eden 5-8N as NIN. E8N is probably the best fight as DPS. Just a lot of fun patterns to dodge in that one.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on March 08, 2020, 07:59:01 PM
focusing on the important things and leveling up my anima weapon, and bard at the same time. might as well get the aiming classes all to max.

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 09, 2020, 11:56:44 PM
Hmmm, so I read a blurb that tonight's 5.21 patch will add a new gathering zone? Like diadum (or however you spell it?). I'd be interested in something like Eureka but for gathering/crafting.
And then 5.25 not too far off is the start of relic weapons (which I don't care about because griiiiiind).

More importantly is
where the hell is Hildebrand??

Hildebrand started at 1.15 or something last expansion!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on March 10, 2020, 08:07:53 AM
i am somewhat curious how hildebrand makes it to the first :doge

also i'm curious how this gathering thing works, so i'll have to read up. wondering if i could use this to level up DoL jobs or if I already have to be leveled to go there.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Himu on March 10, 2020, 07:33:36 PM
I will getting back into this after dark souls 3.

I want to play white mage and be everyone's slut. Is this a bad class? :doge
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on March 10, 2020, 07:36:04 PM
nah all the healers are pretty good and are quick to get leveled
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Himu on March 10, 2020, 07:45:11 PM
When do I get past the boring original content
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on March 10, 2020, 07:47:40 PM
like 10 hours past level 50 msq being done. the 2.0 content is being revamped and streamlined around may though.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Himu on March 10, 2020, 07:48:32 PM
Is the original content the 2.0 content?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on March 10, 2020, 07:55:08 PM
yeah sorry. 1.0 is og ff14, thats all gone. 2.0 is "a realm reborn" and then 3.0-5.0+ are each of the expansions.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on March 10, 2020, 09:29:46 PM
damn i didn't realize leveling a gatherer was so easy, i'd have done this a while ago. just doing the quest objectives for a mining quest gets me enough levels to take the next job quest. once that stops happening i guess i'll move on to the ishgard gathering zone and figure out how that works so i can get some more hairstyles and other nonsense :D
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 10, 2020, 11:05:10 PM
I read they made gathering level up super fast in the last 5.2 patch (or maybe 5.1). It used to still take a while. I mainly leveled them through daily GC turn-ins back in the day.


So lol at the new gathering area. Instead of making a new area they're re-using diadedum since a lot of people like me who joined at the end of HW or later never got a chance to get into that. Basically for the ishgard restoration content in this patch, the mats all come from there. So gatherers go there and get mats, crafters make stuff, story advances for everyone. Will check it out like once to see the gathering area.

Last time by a month into the patch when I checked out the ishgard restoration it was 100% complete already lol I expect this one to be completed in like a week.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 11, 2020, 12:32:26 AM
Spent 5 mins in the daidem and was like nope.
Saw all I needed to see.

Will enjoy other people's efforts to rebuild Ishgard while I do nothing  :heart
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on March 11, 2020, 08:31:46 AM
i popped in there at level 20 and i was surprised there were nodes for me to mine, so that was nice. kind of a weird setup and it's clearly repurposed for this current gathering event but it's a good easy place with no aggro mobs to level up so i'll take it. might hunker down this weekend and level miner AND botanist with how quick they are to level up and they share gear too

also the laser cannon limit break thing is pretty hilarious and gives a TON of mats. :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 11, 2020, 11:03:01 AM
How does getting mats even work? I grabbed a bunch but when I left they couldn’t be appraised or sellable so I just had to discard them all.

Do you have to gather them as collectibles?

I didn’t stick around long enough for the laser cannon thing because the meter was filling real slow.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on March 11, 2020, 11:21:59 AM
when you get back from diadem you gotta get them "inspected" by one of the npcs (Flotpassant) and he marks them as "approved" mats or something like that but it'll only approve them in stacks of 10 so anything less than that shows as not inspectable or something like that.

my understanding is only approved mats can be used in the new crafting recipes so and once they are approved you can sell them on MB or use them to craft the new stuff.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 11, 2020, 11:32:53 AM
Oh, my issue was I grabbed like 3 of every mat type. Will focus on stacks of 10.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on March 11, 2020, 11:36:19 AM
you get some scrips from getting mats approved too, not a ton but it adds up
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on March 12, 2020, 08:38:11 AM
:whew cleaned up last night. was blasting monsters left and right in diadem and my inventory was filled to capacity when i left. problem is the mb is pretty overloaded so i'm not making much off of selling the mats but i'm just grinding for scrips anyway so the gil is just a side benefit.

(https://i.redd.it/zvj9ystus6m41.png)

i think i need like 5000 scrips to get the items i want so it might be a bit...at least i'll level a couple jobs getting there :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 14, 2020, 03:14:24 AM
Did my weekly Eden run. I really like this raid. I actually look forward to doing it each week (would do it more but no rewards is kinda less fun). Pretty much have all 4 fights down really well at this point.

This is probably my 2nd favorite normal Raid set after the FF6 raid tier, then FF5 raid tier is 3rd although the 3rd fight with the frogs and maze and stuff was amazing at that time and Ex-Death's magic portal system is really clever so maybe FF5 tier should be higher. I actually only ran the final Omega tier like twice or three times, outside the first fight with Chaos, wasn't fanservice-y enough like the others and was getting pretty burnt out on the game at that time.

Right now have:

DRK i466
NIN i465
WHM i468

and since next patch's 24man raid will be i465 to enter, I'm good to go and use that and weekly gear to keep gearing up.

I looked at the market board just out of curiousity and all the i480 pieces are about 100,000 gil each. I paid 1 million gil each when 5.2 launched to get these jobs into Eden's Verse lol, gear really took a hit on the MB. Could easily gear everyone up to i480 for cheap if I wanted, but no rush since don't need it yet and not doing current patch Ex/Savage content.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on March 16, 2020, 08:55:10 AM
got to miner 76 while under social isolating...not bad! :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 20, 2020, 02:13:19 AM
Weekly stuff still going good. Got all 3 jobs over i470 now so can try the Exs if I want and I'm set for the next 24 man raid which will be i465. Finished gearing out all my crafters in i470 and all master recipes. Almost done gearing out my gatherers in i470. Pretty much good for the next 6 months.

Looked through the Eden Verse gear sets for NIN/WHM/DRK
DRK has the best one. First tier DRK's was great, but NIN's shirt was pretty dope. NIN is boring this time though. Dumb head pieces for NIN/WHM.

(https://i.imgur.com/t1qkfI1h.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on March 20, 2020, 07:36:54 AM
got miner to 80, been playing a bit while i work as well because its the easiest class to jump in and out of while answering emails or calls without worrying about dying, (maybe the most first world sentence i've written in a while) and i'm getting plenty of scrips of every variety. did the actual math and i need about 7600 skybuilders to get all the emotes/gear/haircuts i want so it'll be a slow process but it seems i've got nothing but time stuck at home anyway. can tackle that and my "stuff to watch" queue at the same time. :D

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on March 20, 2020, 08:43:27 AM
got miner to 80, been playing a bit while i work as well because its the easiest class to jump in and out of while answering emails or calls without worrying about dying

No Comment.  :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on March 20, 2020, 09:02:28 AM
well, you know what i mean :-\ :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 20, 2020, 04:24:48 PM
Also, crafted this Knights of the Round glowy sword for my DRK a few weeks ago when I was looking through the MB for cool swords. Was going like 350k and I crafted it from about 100k in mats. Made a second one to sell for profit and it still hasn't sold and is down to like 200k on the MB lol

Still, like how it looks with armor.

(https://i.imgur.com/2fw3zsJh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZAI1o5Xh.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on March 20, 2020, 04:44:24 PM
:whew
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 29, 2020, 02:12:08 AM
I've been playing a lot more since my friend bought the game. So I decided to play Machinst as I know they changed it. I really just wanted to level it because I had Balthier from FFXII's chest piece from the Stormblood raid. Pretty fun job, though I'm not sure I ever really understood it even though I got it to 80. It seemed to be built around doing as much damage as you can during the windows of damage increase. I haven't done any content with it in the 70s so I'm not sure how it's 70+ stuff is.

I've also leveled a Warrior to like 60, but it's pretty boring compared to GUN and PAL.

Also started playing Ninja which seems pretty fun actually as I think I'm starting to wrap my head around it.

I play this game pretty casually(as casual as like 2000 hours can be) so I'm not exactly concerned with playing top tier. I want to play as best as possible, but being the best player with the best gear is'nt what I'm interested in. But I think I'm understanding the Ninja enough, seems very active which is what I like about the Monk(my favorite job).
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 29, 2020, 03:48:06 PM
6 weeks in I feel like a lot of people still running Eden normal for gear aren’t that great. Having some very long clear times this week with everyone at -50% DPS weakness.

Also when not playing HLR I get annoyed when healers never use LB3, one healer dead, the other one struggling, almost every dps with weakness...use the damn LB3. The dps increase is gonna be better than some one-shot 4-5% dps LB3.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on March 29, 2020, 03:50:18 PM
yeah it definitely feels like people are not getting any better at it in DF :lol i'm blaming a combo of the weekend (DF is always worse on the weekend) and the quarantine bringing lapsed players back.

i'm just doing the diadem grind and collecting stuff for glamour at the moment, not really on the gear grind at the moment cause i'm still looking pretty good ilvl-wise
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on March 30, 2020, 12:49:32 PM
easter stuff started today and the reward is pretty excellent, got a shot of the bros chilling

(https://i.imgur.com/RabsAkV.png?1)

you can use /visor to show or hide the buckteeth too :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 30, 2020, 01:52:33 PM
TERRIFYING
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on March 30, 2020, 02:55:25 PM
TERRIFYING

sounds like you're in the wrong neighborhood

(https://i.imgur.com/lrpa8Q6.png?1)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on March 30, 2020, 04:27:30 PM
it's the reward for doing the easter holiday quests...and it's growing

(https://i.imgur.com/jUfIluh.png?1)

also the leveling process is basically single player but once you hit 60/70/80 you get access to more group stuff
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on March 30, 2020, 05:10:52 PM
8 and 24 man raids and these things called deep dungeons that are good for leveling with (though you'll still need to do the story quests to progress through the expansions)

palace of the dead: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/playguide/contentsguide/deepdungeon/
heaven on high: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/playguide/contentsguide/deepdungeon2/

there's also big public group content like eureka but no one does that shit anymore from what i can tell. :lol there's also pvp battlegrounds if you are into that.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on March 30, 2020, 05:10:54 PM
what kind of group stuff :doge
(https://i.imgur.com/d4AeyW9.gif)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 30, 2020, 05:55:57 PM
Alrighty guys, I have decided with the whole quarantine thing and the fact that I'm between games, maybe now is the time to check this out.
Two big buts in this though

1. I'll be playing on the PS4.
2. I'll largely be playing solo as my time is variable.


Is this something that can be done and enjoyed? I remember in earlier FFXI soloing was technically possible with a summoner but not enjoyable. The main reason would be to try all the expansions my friends have been talking about especially shadowbringers (although I know it's gonna be a long ways off). Is this advisable? Should I just go play something else? If not, what jobs would be good for a mainly solo player? What server?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on March 30, 2020, 06:09:45 PM
you'll be fine, game is very solo-friendly and dungeon finder makes it easy to play in short bursts/when you have time.

be aware it starts slow and there is a bit of a slog to get to the stuff people rave about (3.0 onwards).

server doesn't matter a ton, pick one in region. jobs DPS can be easier to start, but queue times way shorter on tank or heals.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 30, 2020, 08:12:18 PM
cool. Thanks guys. Any classes I should stay away from as a primarily solo player? Any that are good for soloing?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on March 30, 2020, 08:17:06 PM
any job should be soloable, it's much more of a structured and wow-like mmo than XI so that helps, not 100% sure about healers but they can do damage so they are probably fine.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on April 01, 2020, 10:54:04 PM
got two friends to join this week, this quarantine must be going well for square. :doge and of course my server is always so full they both had to wait til late hours to make characters :-\
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 01, 2020, 11:34:51 PM
During the morning works too. I tried last night and I couldn't even connect. It took til this morning for me to be able to get through.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Himu on April 02, 2020, 02:20:46 PM
Can I play this casually? Like play it maybe during the weekend or something and just play for story?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on April 02, 2020, 02:27:35 PM
totally. there's a couple people in the fghq discord (and here i believe) that only resub for a month to play whatever the new story content is and then stop until the next patch.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 04, 2020, 01:53:46 PM
Doing my weekly Eden run, and random thought as I go around doing my daily map harvesting,

They really should boost the xp payout for regular quests. Like the level sync was a great great step, but I still have so many quests littered around these maps because the probably is that even when you're leveling an alt job, there's many more efficient ways to level than quests. Quest are just really inefficient xp payouts. So there's very little reason to do them.

They take this time to write little stories and stuff for all these quests and then there's not much point in doing them. They should double or triple the xp payout.

I try to at least do the quests with pictures since those are higher budget quest chains with cutscenes, but the rest of the quests I basically have skipped across all the maps.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 04, 2020, 02:09:19 PM
Lol, had a good run on Eden Verse #2N, tanks/healers alive, but every dps dead so obviously the boss life wasn't going down very fast! We had lb3 and the healers weren't doing anything and then both me and the other tank at the same time were like uh plz healer lb3 and then they did and it went a bit faster.

I was always under the mistaken impression that healer lb3 removed weakness from everyone so DPS was at 100% after an lb3, but I noticed it just revives everyone and they still have -25% or -50% dps. I guess that's sorta fair to prevent hl lb3 right before dps checks in ex/savage, but you don't get an lb3 until pretty late in the fight so idk.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on April 04, 2020, 02:43:15 PM
by default i just ignore sidequests unless they will unlock something. it's probably the wrong way to go about that but over time they've just been presented as unimportant and give little rewards so yeah some sort of change would make a lot of difference.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on April 07, 2020, 01:07:34 AM
saw that the ivalice questline was needed to start the relic weapon stuff and since i'd been putting those raids off...well i got them all done just under the wire. extra fast queues from everyone else rushing to get them in helped a lot. :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 07, 2020, 12:35:09 PM
So far I'm fucking loving this. I'm only on Lvl12 but I've done most of the side quests I can do. It feels like what a modern final fantasy was supposed to be all this time. I'm thinking I'll be plumbing the depths of this for a long time
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 07, 2020, 02:16:26 PM
So I read the patch notes and uh, Skysteel Tools? Are they seriously introducing a Relic type grind to get the BiS tools which you'll need to make the latest HQ gear crafts? If so, expect the MB prices to skyrocket on gear in 2 patches.

Also it says there's a new Trial added but the only new content is the relic questline, what? So the relic questline has a new original raid? I normally don't do relics because of the grind but I don't want to miss out on a good boss trial.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on April 07, 2020, 02:19:32 PM
The new ex trial gives dyable AF 5.0 gear. There's no raid associated with the relic questline as far as I can tell, haven't logged in yet to get it though.

gallery of the new relics: https://imgur.com/a/wUbHT13

i've seen a lot of complaining that prices on the new crafted gear tanked super quick on MB so maybe skysteel relics is their idea to make that not happen? not sure...
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 07, 2020, 02:27:01 PM
Hmm, yeah just looked it up. So is this the first trial that doesn't have a non-Ex version?

I've been off the Ex/Savage train for a couple years now.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on April 07, 2020, 08:51:05 PM
okay, that was kinda fun. short solo/trust scenario and some cutscenes and now i have the first dancer relic

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 07, 2020, 09:19:57 PM
So the first step in the relic isn't a billion hour grind? I've never done the relics cause I have no patience for even tome grinding.

Also, nice photo!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on April 07, 2020, 09:22:32 PM
thanks! also yeah this is the easiest first step of any of them and its a 485 weapon.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 07, 2020, 10:33:56 PM
oh shit, I didn't even think about the weapon! I've been gearing up to i480 with Eden Verse runs, but my weapons are what's keeping my ilvl down. And i485 weapon for my main 3 would help get them to i485 in time for Raid Set #3 which will be i485.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on April 07, 2020, 10:53:33 PM
each weapon after the first only costs 1000 poetics, so that's not too bad...but it is a little tome grinding :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on April 09, 2020, 01:46:04 PM
ok fuck the skysteel tools lol. the base level and +1 pickaxe is shittier than the crafted one and you need to mine like 500 things for each upgrade :nope
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 09, 2020, 03:10:10 PM
lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 09, 2020, 03:10:53 PM
I'll take a look at that after trying out the relic quest and part #2 of easter bunny this weekend. Pretty sure I will be ignoring the skysteel stuff completely.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on April 09, 2020, 05:16:48 PM
skybuilder scrips on the other hand have been a massive boon. made 4 million gil since i've hit 80 miner just from reselling cosmetic items i buy with the scrips plus selling the approved mats :rejoice
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on April 09, 2020, 06:00:59 PM
I may pop in and do the easter event...is it a pain?

my inventory is really the main thing keeping me away, sorting it will be ZERO FUN.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 09, 2020, 06:04:18 PM
Haha, yeah every 6 months or so I spend a couple hours one day just sorting inventory. I think I'm at a good place right now until next expansion unless I pick up some new jobs.

btw, the glamor dressor really needs to be able to separate by job. I have all my NIN/DRK gear in there and it's messy. And my WHM gear on a retainer and DoL/DoH gear on another retainer.

Instead of selling you retainers they should just sell you glamor dressors. I'd buy one for each job I run.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on April 09, 2020, 07:04:00 PM
easter event is very easy, at least part 1. it's just running one low level FATE

also you can sort the dresser by job, bepbo. it's the little dropdown on the top. not as good as having a different dresser for each job but its something

(https://i.imgur.com/XRCC7kG.png)



Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 09, 2020, 08:22:09 PM
Game changer!

Now just need expanded inventory. With 2 jobs I passed 400 and had to start pulling out the uglier stuff.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on April 09, 2020, 08:30:04 PM
yeah i'm lucky brd/dnc/mch all share gear. :lol adding in smn gear and its getting tight though
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 12, 2020, 04:14:57 PM
Easter pt.2 was alright.

Did the Skysteel tools tutorial. The grind isn't terrible. For a DoH the items aren't harder to craft than the custom deliveries, but crafting 40 HQ of them (20/20) to get the i475 tool is probably a good 40-50 mins of crafting if you don't use macros like I don't, plus buying the mats if you don't have them look to be a couple hundred thousand gil, all for a tool that's only 5 ilvls higher than the white scrip i470 gear. Doesn't seem worth it.

Although considering there's no more white scrip gear until next expansion (besides belt and accessories probably patch), if the tools keep increasing in ilvl every patch, they could end up like i500 by next expansion while the scrip tools are i470.

Still, roughly an hour of time + say 200k gil per tool x 8 and then the time for the gathering ones and I don't even want to think about the time grind for the fishing one...eh, not worth it. I mean it's sure better than 200 hours of gathering light on some relic weapon or something, but still just seems like a waste of time unless you're crafting current patch HQ endgear. I generally am crafting lvl.70 or below items because I'm lazy and auto-HQ button for 70 and below is nice, so don't care.

Gonna go do the relic run next and get my weapon. My job trio are just about full i480 gear, so I wonder what my ilvl will be with i480 gear + i485 weapon. Just need to get all 3 above i485 for 5.4 raid tier #3 and next expansion.


Someone in the chat today said 5.3 is delayed because of COVID slowing work down at the team. I wonder if it'll effect the launch of the next expansion since it's only a year and a couple months away.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 12, 2020, 07:27:21 PM
That was a long ass questline. The new music for the area is really good though and very Shadowbringers OST.

(https://i.imgur.com/vLWx0dnh.jpg)

Not sure how I feel about Gabranth cameo being relegated to just a sidequest line. Also did the previous relics have actual storylines with cutscenes and instances? I only did the first step in them.

The instance was ok. I don't get why they couldn't have made that a multiplayer dungeon and the end boss a normal trial. Single player instances are always less fun than MP.


Anyhow, DRK relic weapon goes well with Eden Verse DRK set. Also full i480 DRK set with i485 relic gives me...i480 lvl wtf. I thought weapons/armor/legs are worth a lot in ilvl.

(https://i.imgur.com/HBViuRuh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/m2IE2AFh.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on April 12, 2020, 08:18:42 PM
when/if i eventually level a tank i think it'll be DRK, it's probably the coolest looking one and seems pretty good judging by the ones i see in DF

Also yeah, Yoshi said 5.3 will be delayed up to a month due to issues with not being able to record VA and get art assets. Was a nice little message you don't often see from a developer.
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/8fe8fffe4d952e017ec0b1961b9868224ef0517c
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on April 13, 2020, 09:37:14 PM
limsa was on one tonight. bunch of folks were handing out blue robes and it grew pretty quick into people surrounding the aetheryte and even a walking parade around it
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(https://i.imgur.com/ZHR5DCC.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/3HSVQlD.jpg?1)

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: remy on April 13, 2020, 10:36:02 PM
when/if i eventually level a tank i think it'll be DRK, it's probably the coolest looking one and seems pretty good judging by the ones i see in DF

Also yeah, Yoshi said 5.3 will be delayed up to a month due to issues with not being able to record VA and get art assets. Was a nice little message you don't often see from a developer.
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/8fe8fffe4d952e017ec0b1961b9868224ef0517c

Definitely looks cool. I do think it feels kinda autopilot/braindead at lower levels but gets fun when you unlock some of the big moves. Gunbreaker is my favourite tank to play.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on April 13, 2020, 10:46:09 PM
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 13, 2020, 10:53:48 PM
DRK is fun, but it's brain dead simple. at 70 you get a invincible shield that absorbs basically 1 attack with a 9 sec cooldown that uses MP. And a damage buff timer attack that uses MP on 30 second buffs. If you pop the invincible barrier right before you get hit, it gives you an MP free usage of the damage buff attack.

Other-wise you just have a standard 1-2-3 combo that builds MP/enmity and some attacks every 100 seconds or so that pop for extra damage. You'll pop various stuff when it gets off cooldown and DRK has a burst damage every 3 mins or so. But otherwise it's just 1/2/3 combos while popping invincible barrier and keeping damage buff up, the end. Super simple job. Can just focus on the general tank strategy stuff for each fight.

I'd rather play DRK than DPS any day except for solo instances.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on April 14, 2020, 08:56:17 AM
i already play and love the most braindead dps job (dnc) so lets keep the train rolling :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: remy on April 14, 2020, 09:32:09 PM
i already play and love the most braindead dps job (dnc) so lets keep the train rolling :lol
Well hell fucking yeah dude get into it

The DRK job quest is big brained enough to make up for the small brain gameplay anyway
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on April 15, 2020, 09:21:48 AM
also on another note i'm considering a fantasia again but i cant decide which cat i want to be...any opinions on which face is the best? :doge

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rufus on April 15, 2020, 09:25:18 AM
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on April 15, 2020, 09:26:32 AM
yeah i'm leaning 2 or 4
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on April 16, 2020, 01:29:41 PM
if anyone cares i went with a mix of 1 and 2 :-*

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on April 25, 2020, 04:46:46 PM
Took a while but I finally got the Sabotender mount!

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 25, 2020, 09:56:42 PM
Congrats! It's great.

After I got it I've been saving MGP back up in case something like that ever comes on sell again. Otherwise after that and Typhoon mount, nothing to really spend MGP on.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on April 30, 2020, 08:36:40 PM
Installing now. Thinking about taking on the Ninja road since I've always dug their playstyle and aesthetic but I'm reading it's a bit involved at the higher levels to manage in groups.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on April 30, 2020, 09:16:37 PM
Well you’re not going to listen to me because you think I’m dumb, but yes Ninja is a bit harder then other jobs, but nothing impossible. It’s just active and you have more to remember and to keep up.

You have several button combinations that you have to memorize or you waste them if you fail.

You have a normal combo with two different endings. One has a boost if attack from the right position. The other helps your gauge that effects your cool down.

You have a gauge to keep up.

In small groups I think Ninja has better and more aoe attacks then say Monk.

And you have Trick Attack that is very useful on bosses. Plus a regular dot on cool down. Also trick attack leads to some other useful attacks.

Ninja is very fun if you enjoy active jobs. It’s not brain dead.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on April 30, 2020, 09:24:13 PM
Well you’re not going to listen to me because you think I’m dumb, but yes Ninja is a bit harder then other jobs, but nothing impossible. It’s just active and you have more to remember and to keep up.

You have several button combinations that you have to memorize or you waste them if you fail.

You have a normal combo with two different endings. One has a boost if attack from the right position. The other helps your gauge that effects your cool down.

You have a gauge to keep up.

In small groups I think Ninja has better and more aoe attacks then say Monk.

And you have Trick Attack that is very useful on bosses. Plus a regular dot on cool down. Also trick attack leads to some other useful attacks.

Ninja is very fun if you enjoy active jobs. It’s not brain dead.

I don't think you're dumb Rahx I was just yanking your chain in the VII thread. I appreciate the writeup!  Seems like it's going to require actually practicing the skillsets. I think I'm up for the challenge. It looks overwhelming but I thinks it's because I'm trying to comprehend the playstyle and skills developed over many hours of playtime.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 01, 2020, 01:08:06 AM
Fuck I'm already hooked. Something about the chunky square UI, the sandbox quest nature and general square aesthetic is tickling my pickle.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on May 01, 2020, 10:04:14 AM
you had never played before?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 01, 2020, 10:31:45 AM
I have not, have always had an MMO aversion. Figure now is the time to get over that with the time off
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on May 01, 2020, 11:01:48 AM
if you like the early stuff you are in for a treat, just keep in mind there are a few slogs/filler arcs until they figured out pacing in Ishgard. they planned on removing some of it but I don't think they revamped 1.0 yet.

just don't try and force it to where you burn out, it's really worth sticking it out.

Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 01, 2020, 06:22:44 PM
Oh God, the Gathering/Crafting skills aren't just mindlessly press X to gathher/craft? I'm in heaven.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on May 04, 2020, 02:15:37 PM
probably june/july
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Himu on May 04, 2020, 02:16:24 PM
My game on the way. Can't wait. Going to bum rush those awful quests and get to the good.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on May 04, 2020, 02:19:08 PM
the starter stuff is still good, just generic. its that 2.1.-2.5 patch bit that is the rough part but there's still some good stuff and setup in there.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 04, 2020, 07:52:08 PM
Won 10K off my third cactuar scratcher :hyper
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on May 04, 2020, 07:56:51 PM
thats a bigger single prize than i've gotten in 7 years :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Himu on May 04, 2020, 07:59:10 PM
Gacha?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on May 04, 2020, 08:01:36 PM
theres a weekly lotto for MGP (manderville gold points) in the golden saucer. you can buy stuff like pets, glamour gear, emotes, and mounts with them. you can also earn it from various other activities and such in there too. there's a setzer outfit you can get from there...also one for your chocobo iirc
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 04, 2020, 08:15:37 PM
I got lucky on the initial scratches. Revealed a 2 and 3 which had a 1 hidden between them. Figured that row had a high chance of being 6 and guessed right. Although 10k is a drop in the bucket against those higher prizes
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Coffee Dog on May 05, 2020, 12:38:22 PM
I'm not really able to squeeze in a monthly sub MMO when my friends dont play with me, but I love logging in during these free periods to chill out and wander the world leveling my BLU.  :-[ eorzea is such a fun setting.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 05, 2020, 09:31:02 PM
Won another 10k off the scratcher :lol must be a skill acquired from playing a shit load of sudoku. Guess I now have SEED coin to invest in other games.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 08, 2020, 01:33:47 PM
Man, I've been living for the Golden Saucer. Triple Triad and Chocobo Racing/Breeding. It's the most fun I've had from mini games in an RPG in a very long time.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on May 08, 2020, 09:41:31 PM
i dunno when you get mahjong but people seem to love that too. i played it once and was completely lost :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 09, 2020, 12:25:43 AM
Apparently the cactuar scratcher can be won. Takes a little process of elimination logic but if you search for the one, two, or three and scratch the right column or row giving you the best idea of the landscape , you'll win sort of consistently. Think minesweeper. I've already won 40k off them.

Used a portion of the MGP won to buy the non ludicrously priced cards to get to the second triple triad tier.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 09, 2020, 04:05:12 PM
Yeah, there’s a strat for the scratch off. Been making my millions from it  :D


Took a break from Eden weeklies for a few weeks since my DRK & NIN i480 sets are complete and WHM is just missing head & hands at i477. Did Refulgence just now and worst run I’ve ever seen lol, wiped first time about 90% in after DPS wastes lb3 and then both tanks die lol Even second run was a mess and one by the skin of our teeth. Was playing a WHM and the MT melted like I’ve never seen anyone melt in these normal difficulty raids, damn. Both healers were constantly healing him. I never have to use Cure II anymore but was using it when out of cooldowns. Rough stuff, didn’t get any rewards lol tough when you’re down to only 1 or 2 useful drops and need them.

Most likely I’ll just buy the pieces. So just doing this out of fun.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 09, 2020, 05:07:39 PM
And after 30 mins on words of motion, the party voted abandon.

Yeah, we're definitely at the stage of the patch where everyone who knows what to do already has their raid gear and the people doing the raid now are just catching up and a lot of people don't understand the mechanics.

I'm good on this raid at this point. Just bought my hat/gloves for like 90k gil each and now i480 with WHM too. Will run the next Nier raid weekly and try to get to i485 with everyone so I'm ready for the 3rd raid tier.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 11, 2020, 07:52:28 PM
Just installed an SSD on Ps4 just for this game lol thinking about getting a headset. I'm all in mofuckas.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on May 11, 2020, 07:53:27 PM
you gonna be pricing out a pc in a couple months :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Himu on May 11, 2020, 08:00:28 PM
Should get to level 20 tonight
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 11, 2020, 08:02:40 PM
you gonna be pricing out a pc in a couple months :lol

I was watching comparison videos last night and the loading speed on a PC with an SSD compared to an OG PS4 with an SSD is another magnitude of difference. So I probably will hahaha. As it stands though the loading times on the PS4 with a standard HDD was ridiculous.

Thinking about it now and the physical architectural changes on the PS5 in regards to storage to Ram bandwidth... I'd curious to see how the loading times of this game would be like with as much throughput.

Should get to level 20 tonight

I'm 25 now and I can see what people were talking about with the initial portions of the game being a slog. It begins to come into its own when abilities start being threaded together. Plus the story is picking up.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Himu on May 11, 2020, 08:22:46 PM
Yeah I'm just pushing through the slog.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on May 11, 2020, 08:26:24 PM
just look at 2.0-2.5 like season 1 & 2 of ds9, gotta build the characters and world before sending them off into the real shit
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 11, 2020, 11:35:20 PM
Just won the Kan-E Senna card. I grinded for it a bit, about an hour of playing the same NPC. It's a 0.93% drop chance :lol people have grinded hours for it and gotten nothing. Holy crap.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Himu on May 11, 2020, 11:38:34 PM
Only got to level 12 tonight. Figured I could get to 20 given I got to 10 in one sitting on my first day.

Had fun and liking the story.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 14, 2020, 01:55:25 PM
Going through the story and went through a dungeon where our tank was having connection issues. I basically had to tank and DPS a midboss as a pugilist and made it through by the skin of my teeth. Had to use the self healing skill, the DPS healing skill and a potion while kiting the boss around getting pops off until it was brought down.

I originally wanted to go the Ninja route but I like how powerful the Pugilist feels with their hard hits and AoE attacks. Now that I've become a monk I'm trying to grapple with the added abilities and how they all can come together.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on May 16, 2020, 12:09:36 AM
What is the FFXIV RPG communities' fascination with strip clubs?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on May 16, 2020, 12:11:31 AM
Yeah monk is my favorite job and the one I've played the most of. The rotation is pretty simple and fun. Later though they add plenty of stuff to keep grease lightening up.

I do feel like our aoe stuff is lame.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on May 16, 2020, 12:52:46 AM
What is the FFXIV RPG communities' fascination with strip clubs?

???
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on May 16, 2020, 01:16:27 AM
My friend and I have over the past days dabbled in the RP side of FFXIV. Which is very horny...

Originally it started off with me somewhat trolling RP's doing in public in Lisa Lominsa. I don't know how it happen, but one day while making fun of some rps using such role play lingo as "cute as fuck", my friend was approached by one of these people and "hit on". My friend was playing one of the bunny people and I guess they found "her" hot. So they invited him to their estate. I took on the role as the ugly friend and tagged a long and attempted to like the annoying friend take the spotlight. To the point of honestly out role playing the rpers as they asked as to tell a story. I told one of high adventure with enough thys and sayeths that would make a shitty fantasy author embarrsed.

Anyway, this kind of got us interested in this side of FFXIV. So having Eden done and not wanting to to start the patch story, we dug deeper. Visited the rpg "servers" and well found them wanting. It's mostly people flirting in the bars.

Well eventually we saw someone post a "we are having a party, everyone's invited" type yell in one of the cities. We decided to visit it and well it was one of the most surreal "this is like real life" moments I've had in the game. We travled to the server and then estate ward where the party was and we had that moment...you know the one where you and your friends are in the car, on a random street trying to figure out which house is having the party? That happen and it was answerd the same way, instead of watching other cars go to the same home, we saw game mounts going to the same estate. We go there and you have people that seemingly just logged in to play the door greeter. Thier macro just set-up to welcome and tell you about the drink menu.

At first it seemed empty as fuck, but as my friend went downstairs he urged me to hurry up and follow. And like those moments where your at the club and wondering if it's packed, I walked down and was shocked to see all those blue names.

Now again it's just people fake flirting and describing how they are aroused or whatever. Some fake fighting as well. But you also have people role playing bouncers and dedicated to just being the dude with a weapon in the corner. Now here we were told to check the Party Finder for role play events. And I did and what I found is a lot of "strip clubs".

So a couple of days we went to one of them. The Gilded Knob or whatever and jesus christ were the people dedicated to it. Complete with the waitress walking over to you, bowing, asking you for a drink, going over to the bar, and then brining back your drink that is just a potion. But the player estate was set-up with lounge furniture positioning and whatnot straight out of your local strip club.

Today we continued that and yeah the party finder was filled with strip clubs playing the latest Eden Raid music, making me believe the edm like battle themes were made just for this. The first was a "escort club" with private rooms. The more impressive one was another strip club, The Velvet Dragon and let me tell you guys. The one "stripper" there...well she was impressive. Now this is all dumb, but this chick was using the emotes to approximate ass shacking that it was almost a work of art. I felt the need to give her some gil and tell her "jesus did she know what she was doing". Like I honestly believe this person was a stripper, like most of these people just turn on their dance  and let it run. She used that eastern bow emote so that ass poped in your face. Make sure you switch to that first person view.

But these strip/night/escort club things seem pretty popular. Check your Party Finder.

https://gildedknob.weebly.com/
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 16, 2020, 04:51:03 AM
Yeah monk is my favorite job and the one I've played the most of. The rotation is pretty simple and fun. Later though they add plenty of stuff to keep grease lightening up.

I do feel like our aoe stuff is lame.

Yeah the AoE seems pretty weak compared to others but I guess that's a question of balance? Seem highly geared for 1 on 1. Would be a great utility if it was just a little stronger but I realized how dangerous it could be when I aggro'd a bunch of easy enemies which become a mass of almost too much to handle blob.

On another note, I need to get my glam game going. I'm running around in main quest given gear and look like a dork. Trying to find something fashionable for a Monk while running around.

Oh and, just to to show where my priorities are, I'm already a lv. 49 Miner and Goldsmith but my poor Pugilist now Monk is at lv. 31 lol. I'm addicted to making HQ stuff and selling it at reasonable prices.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 16, 2020, 08:35:39 PM
Apparently fashion is expensive. This is the best I could muster up right now.


(https://abload.de/img/noctazure05_16_202020ljkys.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=noctazure05_16_202020ljkys.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/noctazure05_16_202019fkkde.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=noctazure05_16_202019fkkde.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/noctazure05_16_202020r5ka6.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=noctazure05_16_202020r5ka6.jpg)

Need better boots and pants but it's getting there. Was going to go with a traditional Monk look but decided to lean into Refns 'Only God Forgives' suave bruiser style instead. Hoping to add nice tight fingerless gloves when I find them. Everything is trash in the market or ridiculously expensive.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on May 16, 2020, 08:36:26 PM
oh god lets not talk about how much i've spent on fashion :lol i think only housing is more expensive

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current mch look

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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 16, 2020, 08:51:49 PM
oh god lets not talk about how much i've spent on fashion :lol i think only housing is more expensive

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current mch look

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYLXGewU4AA1t1G?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Goddamn that's badass. That eyepatch 😍
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on May 16, 2020, 09:00:21 PM
gryphonskin eyepatch with the brass dye from the ishgard restoration, i love it.

speaking of which, if you are into crafting you need to get in the heavensward to unlock ishgard stuff. good way to power level gathering/crafting jobs and get good rewards.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 16, 2020, 09:30:12 PM
gryphonskin eyepatch with the brass dye from the ishgard restoration, i love it.

speaking of which, if you are into crafting you need to get in the heavensward to unlock ishgard stuff. good way to power level gathering/crafting jobs and get good rewards.

I just passed my lv50 Goldsmith quest and it let me know I need to get past the main story quests before I can get higher level quests I guess. Time to catch up.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 16, 2020, 09:54:45 PM
Good fucking god what a slog that was. Really? I have to go and get.....cheese? I think I'm beyond it finally, I'm getting ready for Garuda. But god that was an all out angering level of bullshit.

Get the wine
Got the wine
Talk to the person who asked for it
They say "ask the wine dude"
Ask the wine dude
He's like "Oh this is nice but I need you to do 4 separate things before I tell you what I think. They have to be done serially. They're all over the place. Oh and you have to talk to me after each one."
<2 hours later>
"The wine's shit, go ask for better from x"
Go to x
"Oh you want wine? Well lucky for you I need 6 things done..."
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 16, 2020, 10:44:51 PM
Good fucking god what a slog that was. Really? I have to go and get.....cheese? I think I'm beyond it finally, I'm getting ready for Garuda. But god that was an all out angering level of bullshit.

Get the wine
Got the wine
Talk to the person who asked for it
They say "ask the wine dude"
Ask the wine dude
He's like "Oh this is nice but I need you to do 4 separate things before I tell you what I think. They have to be done serially. They're all over the place. Oh and you have to talk to me after each one."
<2 hours later>
"The wine's shit, go ask for better from x"
Go to x
"Oh you want wine? Well lucky for you I need 6 things done..."

Yeah the quest design at the beginning is a bit ridiculous. I personally dislike how it has me constantly checking back in with a main quest NPC that isn't near a warp point. So I ha e to warp to a nearby town and trek to them constantly. Then get through two loading points to enter the building and area they reside in.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on May 16, 2020, 10:53:00 PM
lmao that is hands-down the worst part of the entire story. there are still some dull moments in ARR, but that one is by far the worst. the whole premise is stupid enough, but then they drag it out for a fucking eternity. i'd bet anything that'll be one of the main parts that gets trimmed in the upcoming patch.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: nachobro on May 16, 2020, 11:19:28 PM
there's a ferry you can take to the waking sands from limsa. they added that after people complained enough about having to trek there :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 17, 2020, 12:13:06 AM
The SSD is making things so much more tolerable. I cant imagine suffering through the standard load times.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 19, 2020, 10:40:00 PM
Yo, Y'shtola can get it
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Tuckers Law on May 20, 2020, 11:35:29 AM
They need to let us skip the cutscenes for main scenario raids after we’ve seen it for the first time.  Getting the irregular tomestones through 30 minutes of cutscene mixed in between a few minutes of gameplay here and there is such a slog.  Despite giving less tomestones and disliking the dungeon, I find myself wondering if I’d rather run Aurum Vale over and over than do another round of the praetorium.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on May 20, 2020, 11:58:58 AM
they only changed it that way a year or so ago, and i doubt they'll ever switch it back. before you either watched the cutscenes or you skipped them all and ran the dungeon. replaying it with the story scenes is tedious, but there's not much else they can do. it was just a bad decision that can't be unfucked.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Tuckers Law on May 20, 2020, 12:13:20 PM
Yeah I just came back in March after a long break after heavensward and didn’t remember if they ever were skippable.  I don’t want to be shitty about it, especially considering I was there for 1.0 and can attest to how good this game is compared to what it was, but there are times when the realm reborn scenario stuff is just a grueling slog compared to later content.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on May 20, 2020, 02:37:08 PM
The reason they don't let you skip is that before, if you didn't skip you'd miss all the fights.

There is a reason they give double seals or whatever, it's a bribe.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 23, 2020, 03:04:49 AM
Hitting lv50 soon. The dungeons at this tier are pretty fricken crazy.l in comparison to what Im used to. I did the second Immortal Flames dungeon and had a fire lit under my ass with all the AoE and massive damage indicators. As a pugilist it's a rough ride since youre always positioning while having to be aware of what's coming at you. The Chimera Boss kept fucking me up and had to learn to keep an eye on my party members and what they do if I'm flying blind to massive attacks.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 23, 2020, 08:44:46 AM
Starter edition is free on PS4 with 30 days game time.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 23, 2020, 09:08:18 AM
My glowed up Monk passing out ocular patdowns

(https://abload.de/img/20200523_090604lrk49.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20200523_090604lrk49.jpg)

I have to get rid of those boots gawdamn

There was a quest line where I was getting good gear but couldn't glam over it until I got back to a major city (I'm assuming that's how it works?). The Complete set made me look like fucking Voldo of Soul Calibur. I felt so naked.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 25, 2020, 07:43:21 AM
So I got to lv50, finished my Monk quest line for ARR and also lucked out and got a HQ ilvl110 fist weapon on the marketplace on the cheap

(https://abload.de/img/noctazure05_25_202007gbjrr.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=noctazure05_25_202007gbjrr.jpg)

I'm now currently tearing through assholes like they're wet tissue paper
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Himu on May 27, 2020, 04:16:50 AM
I've fallen in love with this game in a way I never thought I could with an MMO. After level 15 the game just gets amazing. What an adventure. I love the story, I love the MSQ and my  class quests. When people in my party are on the ball, I love raiding as a white mage. I love healing randoms and just helping people. I'm in love with the community that's utterly nice. I just love the game.

This game gets better and better and this is the "bad" content. I've fallen in love with this game in ways I can't express.

Last night I saw some level 1's and 2's playing at the intro area. I stayed and watched over them, waved and said hi, welcoming them to FFXIV.

I also love to watch randoms fight with monsters and heal anyone that needs healing.

Never before has a game made me so altruistic.

Currently lv 22
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 27, 2020, 05:54:05 AM
I've fallen in love with this game in a way I never thought I could with an MMO. After level 15 the game just gets amazing. What an adventure. I love the story, I love the MSQ and my  class quests. When people in my party are on the ball, I love raiding as a white mage. I love healing randoms and just helping people. I'm in love with the community that's utterly nice. I just love the game.

This game gets better and better and this is the "bad" content. I've fallen in love with this game in ways I can't express.

Last night I saw some level 1's and 2's playing at the intro area. I stayed and watched over them, waved and said hi, welcoming them to FFXIV.

I also love to watch randoms fight with monsters and heal anyone that needs healing.

Never before has a game made me so altruistic.

Currently lv 22

It keeps getting better and better. There's lulls that come from the quest structure at times but the plot itself is enthralling. It feels massive in a way non MMO FF cannot achieve with room to breath. The expansions being far better in this regard has me excited.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Himu on May 27, 2020, 09:38:16 AM
I've fallen in love with this game in a way I never thought I could with an MMO. After level 15 the game just gets amazing. What an adventure. I love the story, I love the MSQ and my  class quests. When people in my party are on the ball, I love raiding as a white mage. I love healing randoms and just helping people. I'm in love with the community that's utterly nice. I just love the game.

This game gets better and better and this is the "bad" content. I've fallen in love with this game in ways I can't express.

Last night I saw some level 1's and 2's playing at the intro area. I stayed and watched over them, waved and said hi, welcoming them to FFXIV.

I also love to watch randoms fight with monsters and heal anyone that needs healing.

Never before has a game made me so altruistic.

Currently lv 22

It keeps getting better and better. There's lulls that come from the quest structure at times but the plot itself is enthralling. It feels massive in a way non MMO FF cannot achieve with room to breath. The expansions being far better in this regard has me excited.

it truly feels like the ff12 sequel i've always wanted.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on May 27, 2020, 11:00:47 AM
I wish I could go through it again for the first time.  :lawd
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on May 27, 2020, 11:07:17 AM
i can't wait til they add ARR to new game+ so i can do it all over again
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 27, 2020, 11:13:03 AM
i can't wait til they add ARR to new game+ so i can do it all over again

Can't wait to never go through ARR again!

  ;)

I do have very slight nostalgia for parts of ARR like the beginning stuff of a new MMO, but at this point in the MMO, zero interest in any of that. Even the ARR maps feel mostly sucky (I like the cities and Limsa's fields) and flying isn't going to fix that.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on May 27, 2020, 11:17:35 AM
lol, i dunno, for all its flaws it still had a lot of charm and a fuckton of worldbuilding. i wanted to see everything in the game so i spent hours and hours reading all the item descriptions, all the FATE texts, everything. the later games did it better but it felt great at the time to play it and really love an FF game again.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 27, 2020, 11:26:26 AM
Well, it was my first MMO so yeah I found it charming at the time.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on May 27, 2020, 11:34:04 AM
Are they adding flying to the 1.0 maps? I hadn't heard that, that's dope for vets but starter zones will lose the vibe of everyone running around which I think really draws people in to MMO's. As happened in WoW, once flying is opened up the world gets a lot emptier.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 27, 2020, 11:49:29 AM
Are they adding flying to the 1.0 maps? I hadn't heard that, that's dope for vets but starter zones will lose the vibe of everyone running around which I think really draws people in to MMO's. As happened in WoW, once flying is opened up the world gets a lot emptier.

Yeah, flying is coming really soon to 2.0 maps. Maybe next patch? Doesn't even require going around collecting the wind things, just being past a certain point in the story will unlock it.

I get what you're saying, but are there really people hanging out on foot in the ARR areas who are post-ARR? The only time I'm in ARR areas is to buy some stuff from an NPC vendor and I usually see almost no one in those areas anymore.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on May 27, 2020, 12:40:00 PM
whoops, yeah 2.0.

as for hanging out, generally more in the starter areas than expansion ones? it's not end of the world either way.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: remy on May 28, 2020, 06:49:12 AM
only place I saw people hanging was limsa when I played, but I started at a weird time
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on May 30, 2020, 08:38:33 PM
Yeah Limsa is where it seems most people hang out. With Uldah being popular on one of the "RP" servers.

Also check your party finder for some other hang outs.

You must be over 18 for some of them, it gets a little blue."

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8Hv4q6CQAEgZ8k?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on July 08, 2020, 02:27:41 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/kTFfs9Zh.jpg)

Started leveling a Red Mage for something to do in the game right now and since the ranged caster role quest is the only one I haven't done in Shadowbringers. Gained a few levels and did some dungeons. Job is ok but just pretty simple right now in the rotation.

The hardest part of playing RDM at this point is not flipping off shit and dying. Already had boss fights where I flipped off the ledge and ded, tonight I started a boss fight with a dash in and flip out only to flip OUT OF THE ARENA AND BE LOCKED OUT OF THE BOSS FIGHT. Thankfully the new change to that system let me warp in, but lol.

That flip move is kinda of awful in the insane range it jumps back. You really have to know what is going on behind you. Already had times where I flipped back into an AoE way behind me and got hit.

RDM at least is sorta brain dead fun for mobs in dungeons. Jolt->the AoE one that evenly increases white/black magic then dash in and do the lvl.52 20 magic cost AoE slash slash slash.


I'd probably stick with RDM and get to Shadowbringers, but having gone from DPS -> Tank -> Healer in the last couple of years, going back to DPS queues, especially during a dead time like now is... :'(

Would level so fast just doing leveling roulettes in the 50s where I'm at if there wasn't a 30-40 min wait for each queue to get in a dungeon. Might just wait until 5.3 is out and people are at least back and playing again.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on July 22, 2020, 11:31:09 AM
Apparently new patch trimming 1.x stuff will allow FTP all the way through HW, which is great.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 08, 2020, 03:20:28 PM
New patch out in a few days. Finally new content yay.

Played a bit again to get back in the hang of it. Did some runs with my Red Mage. I was going to ditch the job because I wasn't feeling it and go Black Mage for my ranged caster, but it's starting to growing on me. Will probably at least get it to lvl.60 and into Stormblood and re-evaluate.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 11, 2020, 01:31:24 AM
Reading the patch notes and I like the idea of Unreal Trials where each major patch they rework a classic dead trial as a new modern trial for a limited time only.

While I'm not bothering with Ex fights for last couple years because I'm lazy, a limited time single ex fight every 3-4 months would probably make me want to learn it.

The first one is ARR's Shiva trial, now with i435 ilvl Unreal edition. I think the only question is whether these Unreal fights are going to be similar difficulty to a good current Ex fight, or whether they're be something crazy hardcore like the Ultimates for only a handful of people who play at that level. Hopefully it's closer to Ex level.

Also looks like Astrologian/Warrior got buffed/reworked for anyone who plays those.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on August 11, 2020, 07:51:53 PM
WOW they cut the ARR questline from 345 down to 290, and shortened a lot of the remaining ones. that plus adding flying in those maps will make the early game a thousand times less tedious. almost makes me want to start a new character lol.

and giving out ARR and Heavensward for free... literally months of free content. that is fucking mind blowing. i know the story was originally supposed to end next year with 6.0, but i'm sure they'll keep it going long after considering how huge the game has gotten and tbh i'm excited to see what they come up with. the game has come a long way from seeing those barren towns a few weeks after each patch drop, and a huge part of that is to how much care they put into the full experience instead of only whatever the new content is. i love it so much.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 11, 2020, 07:54:41 PM
Yeah, all good stuff.

Already enjoying flying in ARR areas. Might actually bother doing the beast tribe stories in ARR one of these days now.


I am slightly concerned that a flood of free players coming into the servers for ARR/HW is going to make it hard to get in during busier times. Tried this morning and there was a short queue but that's normal on new patch day. I guess we'll see.

Will probably start doing the new content tonight. While I'm back in the mood for FF14 next few weeks might sit down and get RDM to 80.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 12, 2020, 02:32:29 AM
Good stuff overall, but my I level is like 447 so I couldn't enter the NieR raid like a casual. Didn't think they would put up such a barrier without an affordable/easy alternative like in past casual raids where you just passively enter them.

I'm pretty sure the ilvl reqs are the same every time.

If you have money i480 gear is dirt cheap (well it was a few weeks ago) and Resistance weapon i485 is essentially free. Probably the fastest way to get there without running Eden catchup.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 12, 2020, 02:33:38 AM
Played a bit tonight and just did the new custom deliveries unlock quests. Didn't realize there were already sidequests in the new Firmament section of Ishgard. Probably because I never go there lol.

It's nice to be playing this again. Especially seeing it populated. Nice game, lots of memories.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 12, 2020, 05:26:28 PM
The solo instance with

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The Sapphire Weapon was great, ZONE OF FF

Also some nice cutscenes at the end and the budget for a small nice looking town. Good stuff.
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on August 12, 2020, 05:40:40 PM
so how is the story past 5.0? I haven't done any of it, seems this patch ends it.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 13, 2020, 01:14:56 AM
This year's Moon faire outfit is pretty great. Worth the short grind.

(https://i.imgur.com/QsO5bh3h.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/C0foQsoh.jpg)

so how is the story past 5.0? I haven't done any of it, seems this patch ends it.

I...don't remember 5.1 or 5.2 MSQ at all. But they were enjoyable. Just 5.0 had a pretty definitive ending so it's not like there's a lot lingering to wrap up this time around. Though I'll do 5.3 MSQ this weekend.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 14, 2020, 01:22:21 AM
2nd Nier raid was alright. People have already learned the mechanics so you can just follow everyone haha. I do like some of the new patterns with the first boss.

Feels like a solid good raid, but I liked the first one better.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 16, 2020, 02:00:57 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ke1ideXh.jpg)

Finished all the 5.3 stuff. Pretty good patch. Lotta content. The final boss trial was real flashy, Ex version could be a cool intense fight. Might give that and Shiva Ex a try.

Not sure if I'll do the crafting beast tribe since this is the first xpac where I maxed all my crafters before it came out. Would just be doing it for the storyline and the mount/minion and $$$ from the mats.

Then again I do like tanks...

(https://i.imgur.com/CEVEsrsh.jpg)


Final MSQ boss spoilers
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(https://i.imgur.com/yR1LVLSh.jpg)

So Ascian plotline in FF14 is done. Pretty much everything is wrapped up outside the Empire which I'm sure next expansion will be in Garlamead. Can see why they originally planned the story through ending next expansion. Will be interesting to see where they go after that since it's all free reign.

Also will have to do an Ascian-less Empire plot which could be good or not. I just hope they don't lean too much on Zenos again. We've fought him like 5-6 times now lol
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 16, 2020, 03:11:33 PM
Didn't watch the ending cutscene last night (though it had a credit roll) and just watched it. Nice ending to Shadowbringers. Pretty quality story campaign overall.

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Nm about no more Ascians, although no one cares about these lame ass ones, also no one cares about Zenos anymore, so they've got their work cut out for them in making a great story next expansion.
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It's also WEIRD how in the ending cutscene they're still referring to the next expansion as "the final chapter in the story of this star". Like I know originally the plot outline had the plot finishing in 6.0 or 6.3 or 6.5 next expansion, but I'm pretty sure they've already said the game is going to keep going, so why are they talking about the next expansion like it's the last one at this point. Is the expansion after going to have everyone teleport to some other universe and start a new story arc there or something? Will be interesting to see, but it sure sounds like next expansion should have a very big epic ending.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 17, 2020, 06:05:54 PM
Sounds like a newbie that doesn't know how to play and is trying to shift the blame.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 17, 2020, 06:58:03 PM
Yeah, that's pretty odd. Feels kind of pointless trolling in dungeons in this game since you're just wasting your own time too.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on August 28, 2020, 02:20:44 AM
Finally finished 4.0 after getting most of the way through 68 on NIN and dropping it for no good reason at launch. Leveled up DNC instead and love it so far. Kind of reminds me of when Blizzard would add new classes to WoW that really seemed like retooled existing class revamps. Steps really feel like friendlier Mudras.

The 4.0 MSQ was kinda whatever? At least compared to what I remember of Heavensward. Zenos just isn’t that interesting tbh. Hopefully 4.1+ is better.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 28, 2020, 03:14:35 AM
Finally finished 4.0 after getting most of the way through 68 on NIN and dropping it for no good reason at launch. Leveled up DNC instead and love it so far. Kind of reminds me of when Blizzard would add new classes to WoW that really seemed like retooled existing class revamps. Steps really feel like friendlier Mudras.

The 4.0 MSQ was kinda whatever? At least compared to what I remember of Heavensward. Zenos just isn’t that interesting tbh. Hopefully 4.1+ is better.

 :teehee

I agree, but unfortunately SE thinks "looking badass" makes him a character everyone loves. Kinda reminds me of Lightning.

Luckily Shadowbringers antagonist is actually the best antagonist in an FF game since like FF7, which is one of the several reasons Shadowbringers story is better than Stormblood.

I still like Stormblood's story, but yeah it felt a step down from Heavensward's plot. That being said, the side content in Stormblood is A++ with the Omega Raid and The Ivalice raid so make sure you do those.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on August 31, 2020, 01:24:39 PM
Finished 4.1 - 4.56 over the weekend. I would probably put Stormblood slightly above most of ARR but lower than the later stuff in ARR that led into Heavensward. Felt like story beats that needed to happen to get from A to B but they didn’t necessarily have anything really interesting to do with those story beats.

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And yeah that handles my disappointment with Zenos lol. We’ll see where this Ascian stuff is going with Shadowbringers but I will say that they are grating on my nerves a little bit at this point. Reminds me of Ouroboros in Trails where they show up and sow chaos and dip out and it’s all building to something but hard to feel like the build up really mattered at all.

Still a better set of characters than other MMOs or anything SE has put out in the last decade?
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Shadowbringers first MSQ or 2 hasn’t really felt that connected to what came before and sort of reminds me of the B tier WoW expacs that throw you into some foreign land with its own issues but I’m sure that’ll change.

Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Tuckers Law on August 31, 2020, 02:05:23 PM
Zenos is a ridiculously stupid villain, and I’m still not sure if I’m okay with his arc.  I feel like the B-story stuff of Stormblood was overall superior, surprisingly so with Yotsuyu IMO (I ended up loving where that story went).

Shadowbringers main storyline felt a thousand times more interesting, to the point where I was actually super jazzed to log in each evening and make progress.  I hadn’t t felt that way about a Final Fantasy since 12.

Based Naoki Yoshida  :rejoice
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 31, 2020, 03:48:37 PM
My biggest issue with Shadowbringers plot is that

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Like 50% of the plot is vs. Vauthry and Eulmore and Vauthry is a pretty bad generic villain and his general Ran'jit is super underdeveloped.

The other 50% of the plot is great stuff, especially the last 25% post-Vauthry
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on August 31, 2020, 04:11:33 PM
I did like the little Doma side story in 4.2 / 4.3 (?).

That was definitely a highlight of the expac, Ala Mhigo is just kinda whatever.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 31, 2020, 10:38:40 PM
I really have found the post patch ShadowBringers story and quest line to be very boring.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 31, 2020, 11:54:40 PM
I really have found the post patch ShadowBringers story and quest line to be very boring.

I mean all post-patchs are not super amazingly exciting because they're just filler branching to the next expansion to keep you subbed.

The only post-patch series that was A+ was Heavensward and that's because they ran out of time and couldn't finish the main story in the HW expansion so it took until 3.3 to actually get the real ending. Stormblood/Shadowbringers tell their whole story and finish their main storyline. Epilogue is just epilogue in both and setup.

At least 4.3/5.3 had cool boss fights to close them out.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 01, 2020, 01:25:44 AM
I disagree or rather I "remember" disagreeing. I don't really believe they have felt like filler. They have felt like epilogues and downtime, but never really filler. I did'nt know that about Heavansward, but yeah lots of exciting developments in that post story. The warrior's of darkness, begining to liberate Al-Mihgo, and conclusion of lots of post A Real Reborn plot lines. Probably the most exciting series of  events in the whole game.

And I don't believe post Stormblood was that much filler either.  I guess you could consider Yotsuyu's stuff as filler, but that ends in one of the best boss battles. You also had the ramp up of the war with Garlen which leads to a big revelation about the empire. The scions disappearing which leads to some cool teasing for shadowbringers.  But either way you had Gaius come back and that quest ends with a cool battle where you play a npc character. The Burn was cool and the entire The Ghimlyt Dark is a good dungeon. A dungeon that feels like a cap off to Shadowbringers.

In both there is a clear feeling of set-up and tease for whats next. Plus cool boss battles and dungeons.

So far with post Shadowbringers it has been pretty dull in my opinion. I'm on the last patch, but outside of a cool Estinin playable part it's not very exciting. I don't remember the two dungeons. Lots of it has just felt like the same conversation of how to get home. And while I've heard that this ties up the Ascian story, that stuff has lacked the energy or excitement that the main story had. If anything it has felt like a retread.

I don't know I remember the other post storylines feeling like they were ramping up to things.  Teasing new things.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 01, 2020, 02:10:19 AM
You're right that it's not filler because it's all canon stuff moving the plot forward. I just call it that because it's not that interesting busywork kinda stuff. The stormblood stuff with the younger brother and the slaves and what not was zzz though the big fight was cool, the build up stuff with scions falling out and the empire was interesting sure, but Shadowbrings 5.4/5.5 will be the setup episodes for the next patch so maybe they'll be exciting. I just felt like Stormblood .1-.3 and Shadowbringer .1-.3 were basically busywork epilogues with a big cool fight and 2nd ending. It's fine but during the post-patches the main exciting stuff are the raids, new trials and stuff.

What I remember about Stormblood 4.1-4.5 is mostly just Omega & Ivalice, and with Shadowbringers it's been the great Eden raid and ok Nier raid (I like pt.1 a lot, but pt.2 was a bit boring).
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 01, 2020, 08:39:27 PM
Yeah Eden has been really good. Probably my favorite boss battle raid series.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on September 02, 2020, 12:42:03 AM
ShB Leveling

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Just finished the first dungeon and killed the first Lightwarden (good cutscene) with Trusts. Trusts were neat in FFXI as they opened up a very group heavy game to solo play for more than just BST and a few other jobs. Obviously less useful here but seemed to work well enough. No queue but the dungeons themselves take a little longer.

Humes huh? Several little references to XI here. Would be verrrrry cool if Vana’diel were a shard.

Also god in heaven Amh Araeng’s BGM is good.
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RE: the x.1-x.3 patch cycle they usually are a little MSQ bland, x.1 especially so.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on September 08, 2020, 05:07:45 PM
5.0 done

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Vauthry was kinda whatever and The Tempest intro was pretty unnecessary but the Ascian city onward was great. Emet-Selch is definitely the best villain in a Final Fantasy game in a very very long time. Kind of bummed to be presumably headed back to dealing with Elidibus / Zenos.
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Probably going to hit 5.1 - 5.3 slower as I’m a little burned out on all the back and forth quests but really enjoyed ShB overall. Still kind of shocking how good XIV is for a modern SE game tbh.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 08, 2020, 05:29:49 PM
Yeah, FFXIV is quality stuff.

It's my first MMO so don't really have any frame of reference to compare it to other than single player jrpgs, but it's a lot more consistent than most of those.


Been back to playing a little casually. Working on my Red Mage so I can do the last role questline in Shadowbringers. Up to 57 now and will probably hit 60 and into Stormblood content by the weekend. RDM is growing on me slightly, but I still can't wait to get to a 60/70 rotation that feels more complete.

Also had my first lollll MP run in a while. We were doing one of the Crystal Tower Alliance Raids and people were so bad and we were wiping on non-boss enemy groups to the point where people were talking about if one team was intentionally griefing the others. The worst is that they didn't know how to use teleport shortcuts so we would wipe and they'd just run past the teleporter and we'd have to wait for them to run through the whole raid to get to us.

I still don't think they were griefing and it was just a bunch of new players thanks to the F2P, though I dunno how you get to lvl.50 without figuring out how a dungeon shortcut works so maybe they were griefing.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on September 08, 2020, 07:18:23 PM
lol why would they make Crystal Tower required now rather than before ShB or at all even, silly
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on September 08, 2020, 07:43:28 PM
vana

I can totally see them cashing in and having 7.0 be Vana Diel. I would be 1000% fine with that.  :ohyeah
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on September 09, 2020, 12:11:33 AM
vana

I can totally see them cashing in and having 7.0 be Vana Diel. I would be 1000% fine with that.  :ohyeah

6.0 is supposed to be the end of the originally planned story right?

Gimme FFXIV : FFXI 2
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 09, 2020, 01:22:37 AM
lol why would they make Crystal Tower required now rather than before ShB or at all even, silly

I think it was required to start Shadowbringers!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Freyj on September 11, 2020, 02:15:28 AM
lol why would they make Crystal Tower required now rather than before ShB or at all even, silly

I think it was required to start Shadowbringers!

nope, just a nag about it when you started the MSQ for ShB

it is required to complete 2.5 now assuming you haven’t already lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 13, 2020, 03:11:39 PM
Almost at 60 with my Red Mage, I'm never leveling another job again after this. 4 is more than enough. Will pay my $20 level up potion any time I want to mess with a new job from now on.

Ran World of Darkness for the first time in a while on alliance raid. Saw they've nerfed the first boss roulette spin of death. Instead of being basically instant wipe for an group it lands on there is a looooooooooong AoE charge for everyone to get out of the way first.

Then again since like 75% of the people on my team had the newbie icon, probably good that the raid is as nerfed as it is.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 14, 2020, 01:55:34 AM
Relic area is out.

Seems better than Eureka by a good amount and may be useful when leveling second jobs from 71->80. Looks like you can get through all the content in this patch in about 6 hours, but getting the relic upgrade for a weapon is a huge fucking grind like always and probably takes 20-40 hours of grind to get one, so no thnx.

Already got a Zoid minion though!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 15, 2020, 10:31:29 PM
Joining FATE parties in HW makes the relic real quick.

You need 60 items, three item types x 20 each. Doing a FATE party in Falcon's Nest area in 30 mins I got all 20 items for that type. So I'd say about 90 mins for the relic and then six lvl.60 dungeon runs for the glowy part.

But you can do all these as any job, so I'm doing them as my lvl.63 RDM and gained almost one level just doing 20 FATEs at lower HW xp + weekly challenges for FATEs. Dungeon run part makes most sense if you have a lvl.60 character.

Basically can get a glowy i500 relic in like 5 hours while leveling a lvl.50/60 character at the same time. Not terrible.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: remy on October 15, 2020, 10:51:43 PM
Joining FATE parties in HW makes the relic real quick.

You need 60 items, three item types x 20 each. Doing a FATE party in Falcon's Nest area in 30 mins I got all 20 items for that type. So I'd say about 90 mins for the relic and then six lvl.60 dungeon runs for the glowy part.

But you can do all these as any job, so I'm doing them as my lvl.63 RDM and gained almost one level just doing 20 FATEs at lower HW xp + weekly challenges for FATEs. Dungeon run part makes most sense if you have a lvl.60 character.

Basically can get a glowy i500 relic in like 5 hours while leveling a lvl.50/60 character at the same time. Not terrible.
Do you get the weapon for the job you're playing, or could I like, level RDM in there to get my funbreaker weppy?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 15, 2020, 10:53:56 PM
The latter.

Once you start the relic sequence you'll get the item drops from HW fates and lvl.60 dungeon runs for the 2nd part no matter what job you are playing. Just need the relic weapon in your inv, but not equipped.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 16, 2020, 08:27:14 PM
Got my i500 relic for my DRK. Really just takes an afternoon farming HW area FATEs. My RDM was at like far end lvl.62 and after one dungeon, a few beast quests and 60 HW fates almost at lvl.65 now. Just gotta do 6 dungeon runs to make my relic glow and that'll get my RDM up even more so I don't mind.

Then still gotta get my Bozjan rank from 5->10 to finish the story parts so far do the dungeon. Now that feels like more of a grind.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Positive Touch on October 17, 2020, 06:11:08 PM
https://twitter.com/regretorb/status/1317385448465944576?s
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 17, 2020, 09:50:54 PM
Almost done with the last beast tribe I need to clear in HW for completion's sake. So glad the newer beast tribe quests are super quick. I don't mind doing the dwarf ones even though I get no xp since my crafters are all 80. Want that mount and the stories are fun.

Anyhow, was a nice sunset at Ok'Zundu. Probably the prettiest that area has looked.

(https://i.imgur.com/HSe4vOFh.jpg)

RDM's 66 now. 4 more days of leveling roulettes to get my relic glow! Might hit 70 doing them along with beast tribes and stuff. Maybe.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 18, 2020, 02:10:40 PM
Up to rank 8 in Bozja. Probably just gonna grind all day to rank 10 to try and hopefully beat the dungeon.

I'd say after the first few ranks it takes about 1 hour per rank to level up, so Bozja is maybe an 7-8 hour grind to get to 10 and the dungeon. I've got some cool loot along the way though. Some nice tabletops, a zoids minion, some music, some rare weapons. Plus the fights are pretty fun when a lot of people are active.
 
It's definitely waaaaaaaaaaay better than what I played and didn't bother with Eureka. It's not as good as the main game since it's still just a grind area, but it's fun enough that if they do this for the next patches with 2 more Bozja battlefronts I'll spend a week or so grinding through each to see the story through.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 18, 2020, 10:36:21 PM
Got to rank 10 only to find out the dungeon is some real bullshit if you're pugging. Need to see if I can join a team somewhere otherwise I might give up and just not clear this.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 19, 2020, 09:32:05 PM
Cleared bozjan castrum dungeon. Actually isn't bad and I'd say it's easier than an alliance raid and closer to an alliance raid level 20-30 min dungeon. The problem is just pugs and no room for wipes and I just had a been experience that first time. I feel like as it gets older content every run should clear if enough people join.

The gear from it is i495 which isn't bad. Better than running nier raid imo.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 20, 2020, 01:05:35 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/GTsNtcGh.jpg)

Ok, finished the Ok'Zundu beast tribe storyline.

Also house is getting kinda crowded, but I like how my place always looks like holiday time.

(https://i.imgur.com/eFJeoU1h.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 24, 2020, 08:17:05 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/yASpU2yh.jpg)

Hit lvl.70 RDM yayy

Just need to get one more level from roulettes tomorrow and then will take my RDM into Bozjan and level there while getting all my relics and i495 castrum gear for my other jobs.

I dig RDM now. I didn't love it at first because the rotation was simple, but at this point it's busy enough that there isn't a lot of dead time and I like being able to big dps, revive people and move around a bunch dodging stuff and repositioning. The only annoying thing is fighting bosses on ledges and then backflipping out of the arena -_-
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on November 20, 2020, 01:23:26 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/uXA1F76h.jpg)

Site is up for 5.4. Only a few weeks out now (probably first week of December) and Eden raid & gear progression for Shadowbringers ends.


Got back to playing a bit after a week or two break. Got RDM to lv.75, miiiight get to 80 by 5.4, if not pretty early on during running that raid. I gotta say, running Alliance Raid roulette is great during 2020 covid lockdown. I have like no social life atm because covid and my social friends rarely talk anymore or chat, so just like shooting the shit with random people while doing brainless crystal tower is pretty refreshing. I should play more, probably good for mental health right now.

Also finally saw rescue get used for the first time EVER. On Matador when he does the fire nuke and you have to hide behind the ice I was doing my usual RDM flippy thing figuring I'd run over to the ice at the last minute and I did a backflip away and got pulled straight to the ice where everyone is by my caster. Was nice! And useful!

Anyone still playing?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 13, 2020, 05:56:19 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/F6lQ0Feh.jpg)

Finished Eden!

Was a good raid overall, great even on normal version raids. The last fight has some fun mechanics. I think generally though with this and the Omega raid I liked the last tier the least.

Also Savage final boss spoilers

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I'm a little irked that for an FFVIII themed raid they saved the FFVIII big boss fight (Ultimecia w/The Extreme) for Savage only. I was disappointed finishing the raid that it wasn't more FFVIII themed, then I saw that and there is a big FFVIII fanservice finish...but only for players on Savage -_-
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Gonna do the next FFVII Weapon fight and then work on the MSQ this week. Guess they'll be announcing the next expansion any day now.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 13, 2020, 09:14:01 PM
Also ending spoilers for Eden, but I love my new desktop wallpaper. FF14's art direction is one of the things that keeps me playing.

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https://i.imgur.com/5AJS9Tz.jpg
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 13, 2020, 11:40:20 PM
Finished all the non-MSQ content in the new patch today. Some good stuff. I liked the FFVII Weapon storyline a lot this patch. I hear the actual MSQ is pretty dull since it's an inbetween kinda one, but that's fine. Will run through it quick over a day or two and then be caught up outside running the new raid one night a week for gear. The gear from Eden raid #3 will last until the next expansion, so probably won't play much afterwards outside running the final Nier raid once or twice and the last MSQ bits before the next expansion. Almost time for FF14 break for a bit.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2021, 04:14:55 PM
Just a bump that new expansion getting announced/shown tomorrow (2/5 5:30pm PST)

Should be hype!

I'm all caught up with my gear/crafters/gatherers for the next expansion outside finishing the RDM role quest and the combined role quests in shadowbringers. Will get to those at some point.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 04, 2021, 04:24:38 PM
Will check it out but the leaks I've seen were empire stuff.  :snore
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2021, 04:26:27 PM
I mean this is the final expansion of the base storyline of FF14 which has always been the empire as the main enemy. We were always going to have a Garlemad expansion at the end.

Everyone thought the empire expansion was going to be previous one until they threw the curveball and went to another world for an expansion. But yeah, this is the empire.

Hopefully it ends on the moon tho
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2021, 04:27:19 PM
Also a hard sci-fi expansion sounds good to me.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 05, 2021, 08:41:21 PM
Ok, basically what everyone thought (in a good way)

FF4 time. WE GOING TO THE MOON

(https://i.imgur.com/gdiowhhh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7BR6h59h.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 05, 2021, 08:42:23 PM
Get ready for a field theme to be an arrangement of this:

https://youtu.be/XfsgdvfTkyU
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 05, 2021, 09:08:00 PM
So ummmm, this is the end of FF14.

No 6.1-6.3 epilogue finish. FF14's 2.0->6.0 story ends in the base game's ending this fall.



Either 6.1 gonna start the sequel to FF14 or they're gonna change up the post-game patch stuff.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 05, 2021, 09:17:45 PM
HEALER IS A GUNDAM WITH FIN FUNNELS

(https://i.imgur.com/ZvF1QuLh.png)

New Job Gear. BLM has a cat?

(https://i.imgur.com/xMfpurbh.png)


Also Yoshi-P made a joke about Evangelions being on the moon. Was it a joke? Or is next raid Eva? :O
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 05, 2021, 09:18:25 PM
Also Melee DPS to be revealed later. Yoshi-P wore a Necromancer t-shirt, so that could be it. People think maybe a Berserker?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 05, 2021, 09:30:11 PM
8-person Raid will be weird

Never before done.

Not part of FF14's story. All original story. Pandeamonium.

Yet the art image for it is Lahabrea the Ascian....

No idea where they are going with this.

Also huge fucking spoilers on city. Maybe Akala will be happy.

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Garlamead got nuked off-screen. City is gone. City is probably on the Moon, Lunar City by FFX artists featuring FFX's Anima.
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 05, 2021, 09:35:57 PM
Job Quests are dead  :'(

5 Role Quest lines.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 05, 2021, 09:39:02 PM
Adding a Stardew Valley mini-game where you raise animals and maybe farm stuff that you can sell haha
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 05, 2021, 10:13:05 PM
5.5 final patch/Nier raid is April 13th along side the PS5 beta. Oh and free PS5 upgrade for people who play on PS4.

Also they spent 20 mins talking about how they're hitting overflow errors with the larger and larger stats so they are nerfing damage/hps by 80%. And then tried to reassure the players over and over they aren't being nerfed.

That said, they're talking about making lvl.50-80 content similar in stats, so people are worried that unsync is gonna get fucked. That instead of being 2-4 iterations of power levels over the bosses at lvl.90, it'll be more like one expansion iteration.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 05, 2021, 10:21:17 PM
Last info from announcement festival:

Fan Fest May 15th is next info dump on new expansion. Probably reveal main city & 2nd melee dps job.


Also the twitch stream following this for 2 hours had 250,000 viewers. Seems good? FF14 is pretty alive still yay.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: benjipwns on February 05, 2021, 11:21:45 PM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/208166656059506689/807455832215519292/unknown.png)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Beezy on February 05, 2021, 11:36:48 PM
I see that this is on sale on PSN. Is it something that you can play through on your own or do you need other people?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 06, 2021, 02:11:02 AM
I see that this is on sale on PSN. Is it something that you can play through on your own or do you need other people?

You need to play with other people but it has extremely good match-making and you don't have to talk with anyone. Also for the story, you'll spend 95% of the storyline doing single player quests. There is an MP dungeon or MP boss fight every level or two. The endgame stuff and optional content is more MP stuff, less single player questing.

I used to be social for a couple years on it, but the last few years I didn't do much besides saying "Hello \o/" at the start of MP stuff. They really made FF14 the MMO for people who don't want to socialize with other people or arrange time to work with other people. I could never play FF11 because you had to actually look for parties and talk to people and actually coordinate times. FF14 you just go on and play when you like for as long as you like.

It's also some of the best Final Fantasy games in the last decade. Each expansion is basically a full sized FF entry. The base game A Realm Reborn is...ok, the first expansion Heavensward is a great FF, the second expansion Stormblood is a very good FF, and the third expansion Shadowbringers is a great FF.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 06, 2021, 02:16:19 AM
If you give it a try though, just keep in mind there's 3 types of gameplay, you can tank, you can heal, or you can just beat up stuff.

All three roles are pretty easy these days. If you tank just make sure you hit the button to turn on your tanking mode where you aggro all the enemies so they aren't murdering your healer and damage dealers. If you heal, just heal the tank and hit the enemies when the tank doesn't need to be healed, when you're a damage dealer just hit stuff.

In terms of fun... they all have their pros/corns. Tank is kinda ez mode because you have way more HP/Def, but you do less damage so fights take longer. Healer is the most chaotic because you never know what your teammates are gonna do and when they will need heals/rez, DPS kills things pretty quick but dies fast if a tank isn't covering for you.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: remy on February 06, 2021, 04:54:50 AM
I think i'll play sage. I don't watch gundam but those little knife drones are awesome.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 06, 2021, 10:41:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm3PSsf90l0&ab_channel=Meoni
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Beezy on February 06, 2021, 11:22:35 AM
I see that this is on sale on PSN. Is it something that you can play through on your own or do you need other people?

You need to play with other people but it has extremely good match-making and you don't have to talk with anyone. Also for the story, you'll spend 95% of the storyline doing single player quests. There is an MP dungeon or MP boss fight every level or two. The endgame stuff and optional content is more MP stuff, less single player questing.

I used to be social for a couple years on it, but the last few years I didn't do much besides saying "Hello \o/" at the start of MP stuff. They really made FF14 the MMO for people who don't want to socialize with other people or arrange time to work with other people. I could never play FF11 because you had to actually look for parties and talk to people and actually coordinate times. FF14 you just go on and play when you like for as long as you like.

It's also some of the best Final Fantasy games in the last decade. Each expansion is basically a full sized FF entry. The base game A Realm Reborn is...ok, the first expansion Heavensward is a great FF, the second expansion Stormblood is a very good FF, and the third expansion Shadowbringers is a great FF.
This sounds perfect for me. Thanks Bebpo.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 06, 2021, 02:32:33 PM
I see that this is on sale on PSN. Is it something that you can play through on your own or do you need other people?

You need to play with other people but it has extremely good match-making and you don't have to talk with anyone. Also for the story, you'll spend 95% of the storyline doing single player quests. There is an MP dungeon or MP boss fight every level or two. The endgame stuff and optional content is more MP stuff, less single player questing.

I used to be social for a couple years on it, but the last few years I didn't do much besides saying "Hello \o/" at the start of MP stuff. They really made FF14 the MMO for people who don't want to socialize with other people or arrange time to work with other people. I could never play FF11 because you had to actually look for parties and talk to people and actually coordinate times. FF14 you just go on and play when you like for as long as you like.

It's also some of the best Final Fantasy games in the last decade. Each expansion is basically a full sized FF entry. The base game A Realm Reborn is...ok, the first expansion Heavensward is a great FF, the second expansion Stormblood is a very good FF, and the third expansion Shadowbringers is a great FF.
This sounds perfect for me. Thanks Bebpo.

Hope you enjoy it!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on February 06, 2021, 02:52:32 PM
(https://i.redd.it/hck3emsikrf61.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 06, 2021, 02:56:52 PM
It is pretty funny how all the Sage moves are essentially Nu Gundam/Freedom Gundam funnel attacks. Funnel shielding is from Nu, Funnel beam blast is from Freedom, Funnels criss-crossing around shooting is from both.

I wouldn't play Sage though. I think aesthetically having wing funnels on a humanoid body with regular clothes looks kinda lame. Unless their AF gear is a mecha suit, I'm not interested.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on February 06, 2021, 03:11:32 PM
I've leveled all the healers and honestly, the changes to Astro really hurt me. Changing the randomness of the cards really took out some of the challenges and on the fly thinking that I liked.  Astro was by far my favorite healer, but I'm interested in trying out a new one.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 06, 2021, 05:52:25 PM
Getting rid of strategic thinking has sadly been the direction FF14 is going since Stormblood. I wish the combat was more complex and not just learn boss patterns to dodge and tank swap occasionally on Ex/Savage, but they're trying to reach the mainstream AAA space as much as possible and that's just what AAA games are these days.

Maybe when they rehaul the combat at some point (7.0?) they'll build back to more strategic, but I kinda doubt it. IMO Heavensward was the high point of the combat. But then again that's when I joined, so might just be bias.

That's why I like healer class, at least the randomness of your teammates fucking up makes it interesting & exciting.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 16, 2021, 01:19:40 AM
I logged in to make sure I didn't lose my house from being non-active and tried doing my first raid set with RDM.

Within 10 seconds of the first Umbra raid I backflipped off the stage to my death.
I also did it again later in the fight.

Suddenly that backflip alternative skill that I'd never used once in all my hours of playing FF14 RDM made a whole lot of sense.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 22, 2021, 11:18:06 PM
The new Delubrum Reginae raid from last month was pretty amazing. This and the Castrum Lacus Litore raid are probably the best MP content the game has had in a while. They're just the right difficulty as being challenging but not quite Extreme/Savage level. Lots of good bosses. I hope they find a way to keep this content alive since it won't be in the alliance raid finder.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 24, 2021, 02:10:22 AM
Man, that Delubrum Reginae raid (normal mode) with a good alliance setup is such a great fun raid.

I actually think it's a pretty big mistake they let anyone in instead of enforcing 4 dps/2 tank/2 healers. First run I did as tank yesterday was a lot of tanks/healers and it took 90 mins to clear. Tonight was mostly DPS and we cleared it in 40 mins. I feel like that kind of variance shouldn't be allowed by the devs (outside wipes, but neither run had any boss wipes).
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 24, 2021, 03:55:58 AM
Also these are the FFXII Judge inspired armor sets. Pretty easy to get one. Takes 4 runs of Delubrum if you run it once a week like an alliance raid. I'm gonna get the scouting one for my NIN.

(https://i.imgur.com/bc8o2CYh.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Beezy on March 26, 2021, 10:33:16 AM
The Complete Edition of this is on sale again at the Square Enix store. My nephew built his PC last week, so we'll both be getting that version.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 27, 2021, 03:27:08 PM
Was logging on and saw Hatching-Tide event ends today and did it.

(https://i.imgur.com/RUGFC9zh.jpg)

Chicken outfit is pretty :lol  Log in today and do the quest if you want it!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 03, 2021, 02:41:26 AM
FFXIV, the game where you can dress up as a chicken and learn to play piano

(https://i.imgur.com/amHruifh.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 17, 2021, 11:57:31 AM
Endwalker is November 23rd....damn.

6 month delay since it would've been out in early June otherwise.


The kind of crazy thing is there is...almost nothing left between April's 5.5 and this. Almost 7-8 month gap of no new content. There will be a tiny story MSQ at some point building up to the expansion and maybe one more piece of Matsuno relic quest grind, but that's it. Game is gonna be a ghost town in the summer.

If I didn't have the best and most filled out house every which you lose if you don't visit every month I'd probably unsub for the first time until the month before the new expansion drops. The house stuff is evil and how they get you to stay subbed. But my house is the best ever.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on May 22, 2021, 05:15:21 PM
Got my FFXII Judge gear on my ninja. Looks nice! Still play like once a few for a few hours and run some dailies/weeklies. I've always found it relaxing in small occasional bursts.

(https://i.imgur.com/KXf2kgZh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3eNMx26h.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 18, 2021, 01:59:25 PM
Finished the Dwarf tribe. FFXIV is the best written modern jrpg.

(https://i.imgur.com/t8S7RAAh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/L30fibbh.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 27, 2021, 03:41:32 AM
Jumping back into this now. Apparently FF14 is the #1 most played MMO now?

Did the final MSQ half-patch. Was ok, not much of a cliffhanger or major ending before Endwalker, but oh well hopefully Endwalker delivers on the story. There hasn't been much interesting plot setup for it so it's kind of up in the air.

Started on the new Zadnor front area. Guess I'm in for another 20 hours of grind, but it's fun and a good podcast grind area so I'll get through it for the dungeon. The two dungeons in the Bozjan front were some of the best raids in the game, so I'll grind out to get to play this new one and see the end of this Matsuno side story.

Pretty much done after I finish Zadnor though, nothing much left to do at all until Endwalker launches.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 02, 2021, 10:57:49 PM
After a week grinding the new Zadnor zone, hit max rank  :punch

Gonna try to find a party and do the new raid dungeon! Then I'm...done with FF14 until Nov 23rd!
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 03, 2021, 12:52:42 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Bga8mBhh.jpg)

Finished the Dalriada in Zadnor. Was an ok raid. Not really worth the grind or as good as the two previous ones in this Matsuno story. Had some cool cameos though Mecha-Tentacle-Diablo is a stupid ass design.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on September 03, 2021, 01:30:23 PM
I came back and just wrapped up 5.3, had been gone pretty much since the end of ShB.

I want to get caught up on MSQ and whatever content I want to do this month so I can take another break and not get totally burnt out on endwalker. I have it preordered but am not really hype for?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
as of now it's more Zzzenos/Ascianzzz setup
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We will see though, having fun. Crafting is a total breeze now.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on September 03, 2021, 03:08:52 PM
Yeah, they've definitely made most things in the game easier/easy. Crafting/Gathering will be a breeze next expansion.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: MMaRsu on September 07, 2021, 08:10:31 AM
Is ff lightning any good?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Trojita on October 12, 2021, 12:57:43 PM
I'm working my way through the Shadowbringers Post Patch content before Endwalker releases. Any of you play on Primal?
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 12, 2021, 01:50:08 PM
I'm working my way through the Shadowbringers Post Patch content before Endwalker releases. Any of you play on Primal?

Yeah, I'm on Ultros which is on Primal. Dunno how cross-server stuff works, but feel free to add me on friends list. I only hop on for like 20 mins/day to do some dailies as I'm finishing up the old beast tribes for something to do and I replenish my sales items daily to make that no effort $$$

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/16208337/

But if you want to do any specific content, if I'm free I'll join ya. Can tank/heal/dps, whatever you need.

Is ff lightning any good?

You mean Lightning Returns? Idk, I still need to play it. I hear it's ok. Majora's Mask with 1 on 1 turn-based combat in FF with ugly gfx.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on November 05, 2021, 11:01:08 PM
Motherfucker, delayed!

Two weeks

But MMOs are weird in that people actually schedule life events around their launches. I had lined up a bunch of free time from 23rd -> 30th. I normally don't care about game delays (I'll play them when they're done & out), but this definitely fucking sucks.

Also two weeks seems really small. Like if it needed more time I could understand a longer delay, but this just feels like they caught some bugs or something and need another two weeks to clear them before launch.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 02, 2021, 08:20:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0uRNLZlh.jpg)

Yooooooooo

This is launching in like 6 hours! Final expansion to 10 years or something of FF14! (well story-wise at least).


I've been in media blackout since the first trailer. Don't know much about this expansion besides

spoiler (click to show/hide)
MOON
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And the new healer job. Dunno even know what the other new job is.


Was thinking that these days I like my sleep and I ain't gonna stay up until 1am PST to not be able to get in for 30 mins and then run into endless server crashes and be tired af tomorrow and not get much in since I'm so tired.

But idk, now that it's almost time I'm actually getting kinda hyped haha. I think I'll play an hour or something and then pass out.


I am not sure what to expect. The characters left in the story are not very good/interesting, and outside Shadowbringers the Ascian stuff has been pretty blah. But Shadowbringers was pretty good and this is the same writer and the budget for this one is gonna be pretty legit.

I'm not gonna hype myself too much and expect an amazing finish to the story, but I think I'll just be satisfied if it's not a weak meh game. Been a lot of those kind of sequels lately. Just be better than that and I'll be happy.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 03, 2021, 02:39:04 AM
Fuck I'm falling asleep. Don't think I can make it until this launch.

Getting old sucks  :larry
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 03, 2021, 04:11:14 AM
Stayed up, watched the opening FMV, can't even get into the lobby without the game crashing.

Going to sleep. This shit ain't gonna work for a few days.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 03, 2021, 04:19:53 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/uemXKuph.jpg)

My sleep gonna be fucked tomorrow
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 03, 2021, 04:54:02 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/w3tdgmWh.jpg)

Actually nevermind, got kicked after waiting 30 mins in the queue. Going to bed.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 03, 2021, 04:58:51 AM
Lol, queue is up to 3,700. We knew this launch was gonna be fucked after the insane player count increases this year. And ya, it fucked at launch. Let's see if it's playable at all this weekend.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 03, 2021, 08:19:12 PM
Still broken.

It seems that if you get in you are good so you better not ever log out or AFK.

But the queues are broken and getting in during heavy traffic hours is near impossible because the game puts you in a queue and then boots you from the queue and hard quits the game.

Wonder how many days until they can fix this. Would be nice to be able to play it this weekend...


Pretty sure this is the worst launch of an FF14 Expansion yet, since at least the other expansions you could play even if you couldn't progress in the story.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 04, 2021, 02:12:42 AM
Got in, initial impressions are the music is fantastic, the new jobs are cool, and new areas seem solid so far.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on December 04, 2021, 02:41:10 AM
I was off, got in early and played alllll day lol

Almost level 85  :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 04, 2021, 03:05:38 AM
Nice, I haven't even hit 81.

But I like taking my time and doing some gathering/fishing/crafting as I go. I do some of the NPC quests to flesh out the areas, etc... not really in any hurry.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on December 04, 2021, 10:51:23 AM
Oh, I am taking my time. I am at MSQ level like 83 still I think. Crafting too hard cause I don't want to gather all that shit. I will hit a wall on the first trial I am sure then go back and do some more of that.

We back in btw.  :lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 04, 2021, 03:09:22 PM
Logged in this morning

...and been doing ARR beast tribe quests and lvl.1-10 Blue Mage leveling & spell learning.


Need to warm up before getting back to new content lol


I really wish they could implement quest sync on pre-Shadowbringers quests. Also I wish they fixed the ARR beast tribes to give sync xp so they're not 100% useless outside the tribe story & unlocks.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on December 04, 2021, 04:47:06 PM
Lolwut  :lol

I’ve unlocked the pixie tribe last week and wish I would have done way sooner. Charity PLD.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 04, 2021, 08:31:11 PM
Played a bunch all day and got to 81 and finished the Sharlyan side of the starting quests. Just getting started on the Thavarian side. My FSH is almost at 81 already just from stopping everytime I see water and fishing a couple of catches haha.

I'm splitting the MSQ xp between my DRK and WHM even though I know that'll fuck me and make me grind soon. But I figure if I can get both to 81 by the time I hit the first dungeon I can just grind that a few times to catch up.

The most annoying thing is that my main hunting retainer is tied to my NIN job and starting last expansion, DPS is the last job I level. Not that retainer grabs are particularly useful anymore in general, especially not hunting ones since the drops are worth nothing on the market board.

Logged out even though I know it may be a while until I can get back in again. Just can't do all day marathons anymore without life breaks. Hoping that by Monday queues will be a bit better.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 04, 2021, 10:40:22 PM
Yeah, not getting in again tonight haha.

If I can get in at the early AM I might try to world visit my character to a Japanese server so I can play in the evening when it's middle of the night there.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 04, 2021, 10:50:52 PM
Ok, apparently world visit that was coming with 6.0 isn't even active, so scratch that.

Could move the character entirely to a different data center but I've got my house on my server so that isn't happening.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 05, 2021, 02:35:00 AM
Got the 1st dungeon. Good stuff so far. I think I'm undergeared. I'm only around i505. Did the 1st boss with AI as tank and actually died towards the end of the fight. 2 hits KO w/tank.

Will gear up a bit and then do it MP tomorrow if I can get in.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 05, 2021, 06:10:17 PM
I saw their PR statement today that they aren't doing anything and blaming it on client side internet connections. I also hear the queues are the worst today yet since launch.

I'm out. It stings missing being there right away with the community for the first week or two of new content and I'd been really looking forward to this and planned gaming rpg schedule around this since I can only play (and remember) one rpg at a time. But it's too much effort to play this right now.

Gonna go play FF4 PR to refresh on FF4 since this is the FF4 expansion. I haven't played FF4 in 20 years and while I recognized

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The magus sisters, I didn't recognize that the first dungeon The Tower of Zot and its BGM is from FF4
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Was planning on getting through FF4 PR before Endwalker's launch since I played through FF1-3 PR, but got stuck for 2 months on Trails of the Black and timing didn't work out. But I guess now it does?

I'll try logging in a few times on week nights but if I can't get in during the week, and if I can't get in next weekend, I'm just gonna forget about this game until January when people start to unsub after their first month runs and then will play the expansion then.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 07, 2021, 07:18:29 PM
Man, I'm so over this. Got home in the afternoon and was WFH and thought I'd sneak in the queue while not in prime-time and get in and skip out on work early a bit when I did to play this evening.

Got in the queue at 1pm (PST), only 2,800.

Queue moved the slowest I've ever seen it. People are really milking their time logged in at this point because of the situation.

almost 3 fucking hours later at like 3:45pm I'm down to <600 in the queue.

I'm doing some work and tab back to it at 4pm and oh hey I've been 2002 booted. I sign right back in but too late, lost my position and now 4,800 in queue. So nah, not getting in today. I gotta get up early tomorrow so I can't wait until 9-10pm (PST) to first get in.

They said they upped the data center allowance from 17k attempts to log in to 21k attempts today to alleviate these errors sine 2002 booting happens when more than 17k/21k are attempting causing packets to fuck up. Looks like that 4k extra didn't do anything and prime time is still a fuckfest.

Basically you log in at 8-9am and hog your log in all day or you don't play.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: remy on December 07, 2021, 08:25:24 PM
I decided to just black out this expansion and wait for the OCE data center so i can play low ping. seems like i dodged a bullet with these qs
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 07, 2021, 09:28:55 PM
One thing that this whole situation has surprised me is learning how small FF14 is playerbase-wise.

You always hear it's 2nd to WoW and super popular MMO, etc...but like there are 3 data centers in NA hosting all the NA worlds and their total capacity is 17k each. So like the max players in NA that can be playing at one time is...51k? That seems...small. You hear about WoW being in the millions at a time and Amazon's New World had 950k players at a point. 51k is not much at all. Like I get not everyone is playing at the same time, but extrapolating from that there can't be more than a couple hundred thousand players in NA.

This probably explains why outside of forums I never meet anyone irl who plays FF14 whereas I know a lot of people who played WoW.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on December 08, 2021, 12:03:28 AM
I think it’s simultaneous logins. Once in it’s fine, it’s just getting in. Apparently maintenance tonight, prob free after.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 08, 2021, 12:23:48 AM
Ya, glad they are finally shutting this down and doing something.

Will be interesting to see how queues work tomorrow. Fingers crossed the game will become playable to get in.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 08, 2021, 09:07:40 PM
Was in a 5,000 person queue.
Got a 1016 error and booted. Logged back in and now it's an 8,000 person queue.

Ya, they didn't fix anything.

I did try logging on in the morning when I got up and the queue was 26 people and I was in right away. Pretty amazing the difference between prime time and non-prime time hours in an MMO. But had to go to a Dr. Appt and then work and so only got an hour in during breakfast.

No idea when this will get better. I don't have time to game early morning PST. At least on weekends EST people can get in around lunch and play all day. PST have to get in at breakfast.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 10, 2021, 09:08:29 PM
Haven't really been making any progress in the MSQ. Still after the 1st dungeon just barely lvl.82.

(https://i.imgur.com/7LKn7duh.jpg)

But I have been doing lots of gathering/crafting and all the initial role quests for those. I'd never looked into the crafting changes much since last expansion and this raw material tree thing + gatherer's log actually makes grabbing all the mats yourself pretty quick & easy. Good way to make money too since I always gather/craft more than I need and sell the rest.

(https://i.imgur.com/UdhhwkKh.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 11, 2021, 03:24:46 PM
Queues seem about 90-120 mins but stable off-peak time so far. Been queueing the last few days around 2-3pm PST and getting in right when work ends. Queued this morning at 10am PST and got in around noon after breakfast and morning stuff.

MSQ is picking up in the 3rd zone, might hold off on the side activities/jobs and work on the MSQ for a while.

I'm still kinda majorly disappointed that

Zone 3 spoiler
spoiler (click to show/hide)
We wait 8-10 years of FF14 + Expansions to get to Garlemald for a big high-tech sci-fi FF8 style city zone

...and we get there and it's just boring ruins. I like that FF14 has variety in zones, but I feel like a Magitek sci-fi zone (like HW's Azyl Llys but as a real zone full of cities/towns/life) would've been really cool.

IDK, maybe one of the later zones in Endwalker will have something like that. I have no idea what 2 of the 3 remaining zones are. I have a good guess where the final zone is based on the intro/FF4, but there's still 2 zones remaining besides that so who knows.
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 11, 2021, 03:25:43 PM
Also I wanna shout out to how the Archeon map is a pain the fucking ass to get around initially because the 2nd section has no warp point.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 12, 2021, 02:59:19 AM
Got to the lvl.83 trial. So many cutscenes. Gonna save it and the cutscenes after for tomorrow night. Should be good.

Gotta say on the lvl.83 dungeon though

spoiler (click to show/hide)
a bit disappointed that my boi Anima is a dungeon boss instead of a proper trial. Wanted a cool Ex hardcore challenging Anima fight, instead we get a long easy dungeon boss fight yawn.

That being said story-wise I enjoyed how they did Garlemald and its survivors, but the map itself, the dungeon and anima were all a bit bit less than what I would've wanted, though the Frankenstein/Dr. bosses from FF4 were great.
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 13, 2021, 02:32:01 AM
Finished the first trial. Our group took like an hour and we beat it with 5-10 mins to spare on the 4th attempt. Good stuff.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 14, 2021, 03:10:59 AM
Hit the 85 dungeon. I think my biggest two legit complaints outside some minor questionable story elements is there are some real slooooow bits of many quests almost like 2.xx patch between some exciting parts and that some of these areas are not designed well for basic mount speed and non-flying at the start and take forever to get around.

But otherwise, it's pretty great at I guess the halfway point.

Also forgot how easy no effort they've made it to level crafters/gatherers and how you can make $$$ while doing it if you make extra items and sell them. Almost have all my crafters/gatherers at 83 already, will do the next round of role quests soon. Even have my side battle jobs at 82 just from sidequests/fates while main is 85. I like how fast paced leveling is in this series. I feel like after I finish the MSQ I should be able to get all the other jobs I play to 90 in like a week or two max.

Might actually finish this in time for the raid. Didn't think I would because all the server shit, but been getting on around 8-9pm by queuing a couple hours before and getting a good 2-3 hours in each night making progress.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on December 14, 2021, 06:03:51 PM
Queues still sucking.  :-\ :'(

I liked EW but think the pacing was kind of off compared to ShB. filler arcs.  :goty2
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 14, 2021, 07:44:18 PM
Yeah, I don't think the queues will get better until the bulk of people beat it and casuals who don't stick around for endgame bail off. Normally that would happen within about a month from launch, but because of the queues it's taking people longer to make progress so might even take until February or something to normalize.

I did some leveling with my White Mage and I did the 81 dungeon and got a stack marker and ran towards the tank and the tank got scared and ran away from me while I chased him. Same tank got 5 vuln stacks on the first boss not dodging anything and then said "Oh man, I got so many pokeball stacks LOL AWESOME"   :-\ 

This game is like the easiest game ever to tank in since it's so auto and braindead. Surprised when people still fucking it up. Though maybe them making tanks such an EZ WIN job since Shadowbringers is part of what draws these kind of players to it. No enemity to deal with, fewer enemy mechanics, tons of HP/Def to fuck up and not be penalized (since the healer is the one penalized). EZ mode. I really don't think they should have gotten rid of tanks having to keep enmity. It's like the whole fucking point of a tank?? I get that it means less bad tanks losing enmity and causing everyone to die in dungeon runs, but this is the opposite side of that.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on December 15, 2021, 12:04:12 PM
I am actually braving tanking more since I charity-levelled my PLD and am having fun. For the most part doesn't seem too hard and all of them have AOE to grab anything that peels off. I feel like I should know encounters more, but these people will just have to deal.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 16, 2021, 06:58:44 AM
Yeah, tanks scare people because tanks used to actually be difficult with enmity combos, but now they are the easiest job lol

Got to zone 5. Still enjoying the expansion and think it's pretty good. Maybe less good than Shadowbringers, I feel like the cities & zones don't visually and audibly pop & impress as much here, but I also think they're doing a good job with a final entry that pulls everything together from 8 years of game story & characters which a lot of the times when tv shows/games/movies/books attempt it they fail because it's hard, and so far they're pulling it off.

Just like KH3/ME3/MGS4/etc...you have less freedom with your final story since so much is bound by prior baggage, that even if Endwalker ends up an 8/10 good msq that's pretty good for what it's doing and it could've been way worse.

Plus I feel like the raid and post-patch stuff are a big part of each expansion. The Omega raid and Eden raids were really excellent and raised the quality of the last two expansions. Ivalice was amazing too. Nier was ok.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 16, 2021, 07:01:44 AM
Also I don't know when they changed spearfishing to this new mini-game but it's fun. Can also make money pretty fast since it's easy to catch a bunch of a certain fish quick.

I also like the new collectibles system for gatherers.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 18, 2021, 06:47:19 PM
Made it almost through the MSQ without being kicked out once in the game. Then hit the lvl.87 solo duty and got a disconnect error and queue is 2,000+  :'(

Got my Fisher almost ahead of my main MSQ character haha, Fisher is almost 88, miner/bot are like 86 and crafters are ~83-86. They've really made it jokingly easy to level gatherers/crafters these days. I remember when it actually took time and effort.

Feels like the only jobs that actually takes some real time to level are side battle jobs since you basically gotta spend an hour or two a day for 1 level with a couple roulettes and/or latest dungeon run. Otherwise the game is pretty grind free for an MMO.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 18, 2021, 09:35:15 PM
Oh shit, the story just came together and I'm pretty happy with the plot. It seems logical and cool and FF. Seems like they pulled it off.

Final stuff MSQ spoilers
spoiler (click to show/hide)
A negative emotion wave from space in an FF4 themed expansion?

SOUNDS LIKE ZEROMUS :O
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Pretty stoked for the final zone and rest of the MSQ

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hoping the final zone is a cooler space zone than zone 4 which is a bit lackluster for our trip to the moon
[close]

*edit* Ok, maybe things didn't go exactly the way I thought they were heading. Still enjoying the ride and curious how this thing wraps up. The pacing for the MSQ gets pretty hard to find a stopping point after a certain point.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 20, 2021, 12:53:56 AM
Goddamn there are a lot of cutscenes in this game  :lol

Got a bit into the final zone, but given how cutscene filled this stuff is, how trials with randos have taken about an hour each with a bunch of wipes so far, and how FF14 endings are about 2 hours long...will need probably two more nights to finish this out. Since its down tomorrow night for maintenance, might finish it on Wednesday night and do the raid on Thursday. Eh, was hoping to make night 1 for the new raid, but I guess two/three days late isn't going to be terrible.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 22, 2021, 12:49:17 AM
Finished the MSQ. Fuck this was a long game!

Good stuff. Suffers a bit from that Japanese style of writing where every character has to always have a scene which drags the finale out, plus some really slow filler fetchy questlines, but overall very good & satisfying finish to the whole saga.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Zenos solo instance was really stupid tho. Should’ve just had a 2nd final boss trial if they were committed to doing that fight. It’s incredibly unepic compared to the trial before it.
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No idea how they will make FF14 exist after this. They went full on Gurren Lagaan. There’s no where left to go that can compare.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 22, 2021, 03:01:48 AM
Welllll, now is the real server fuckup effect.

Go to do the new raid and you need to be i565 to get in. Look at MB to see if I can just buy some crafted gear. No endgame crafted gear available yet. Gotta do 1-2 weeks of roulette grinding and be late to the raid tier. Sucks.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on December 22, 2021, 07:26:29 PM
there is no cap on base tomes to get to 565, you really only need a few (most of the accessories you get doing expert).

I think there are a few other places it can go but we'll have to wait and see.

It was fine but overall I think I liked ShB more.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 23, 2021, 03:16:02 AM
Yeah, I did all the roulettes outside MSQ and got like 800 tomes and to 563. Just need 2 more roulettes tomorrow to hit 565 and do the raid.

Apparently they raised the raid ilvl requirement by 10 this time around. So you used to be able to get in with just job gear + an Ex weapon. Kinda weird making the normal raid higher ilvl than the Ex bosses since it's way easier casual content but it is what it is. Two nights of grinding to get in isn't the worst and at least once you're in the first raid tier you can just use it to gear up for each subsequent one for the rest of the expansion.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 24, 2021, 02:28:25 AM
Man, that raid tier was dreadful in story. Fight mechanics were fine at least.

It's weird that after really stepping up their game the last few expansions for both the MSQ and 8man & 24man raid series that they made such a dull raid here. Even when ARR's MSQ was not the greatest, Coil of Bahamut and Crystal Tower were great raid series.

So far I think Pandaemonium is likely gonna be the worst raid in the game unless it really picks up story-wise next tier.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 27, 2021, 01:19:18 PM
Just saw Ishikawa, the writer of the msq of Shadowbringers & Endwalker is leaving the FF14 team and new writers from 6.1 onward.

Considering how much of the heavy lifting the msq writing does these last two expansions, definitely worried about FF14 starting a large quality decline now that the original plot is over with. Sucks.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 30, 2021, 04:09:54 AM
Cleared my first Extreme/Savage fight in like 3-4 years? I bailed out of that stuff a couple post-patches into Stormblood because it was too stressful and time-consuming spending a day in PF teams trying to clear stuff.

But cleared the first Ex trial of EW after about an hour in a learning/practice party. Was fun and wasn't too bad. Still died a lot because the timings are real tight, but felt good knocking one off my long list of Exs/Savages to catch up on some day.

Will try to do the other Ex for EW this weekend and gonna try to clear at least Savage 1 next week. The first raid fight is so incredibly simple in the normal version I gotta imagine the Savage will be pretty entry level/lenient for that one.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on December 30, 2021, 09:35:57 PM
Cleared Ex2. That was...hard. Like it's not too bad in concept but I went through 3 teams and even with a team that all knew the fight it took like 6 tries and a good 30-45 mins until one clear.

Luckily got my i580 weapon so I never need to do it again. Between all the right hand gear at i580 and this and the raid drops I'm at i574 already. Should be ready to try Savage #1 once it's out. Doubt I'll go further than Savage #1 though, maybe #2 at most. No way am I ever going to raid a #4 on a current Savage.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 08, 2022, 04:09:25 AM
I've been pf raiding for the first time in 4 years and it reminds me why I stopped doing this 4 years ago. Spent about 3-4 hours every night so ~10-12 hours on P1 Savage. At this point I have my role down 100% from start to enrage so it's basically just doing it over and over and over again with different groups until someone clears it. It was stressful getting to enrage but now it's just going through the motions for my role. Would be nice if I can get a clear and then give up on raiding for another 4 years.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 09, 2022, 03:33:46 AM
Spent another 8 hours in PF today on P1S. So at ~20 hours so far since Tuesday on this fight. .2% enrage lol

Giving it one more day and then if I can't clear I move on in my life. May just take a break from FF14 either way after tomorrow. Burn out is strong. Non-static raiding just ain't a life.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 09, 2022, 05:25:17 PM
Nm, decided to call it and uninstalled the game. Enjoying my day so far not running P1S.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 09, 2022, 10:45:24 PM
Been rushing through the Post Shadowbringers story to get to Endwalker.

Its been basically two years since I've played the game, so its kind of rough to get back into it.

I'm just doing my Monk now as that's the job I tackle everything first with. I guess they got rid of some stuff and now Monk has a thing like Ninja where you unlock an ability based on the combination of your rotation. Well I think Ninja is an amazingly fun job that I like so thats good, but it seems a bit random to me.

Anyway, I finished Shadowbringers and I actually thought the build-up to Endwalker was a little meh...I don't know, the Shadowbringers build-up was just exciting and crazy, everyone disappearing, the empire getting a bit crazy, body switching. It was insane.

Either way, happy to be back but I wouldn't be surprised if this is my last outing for XIV.

I'm not a hardcore player. I play through the story. Play the Jobs I like and get them leveled and well thats it. Don't care about Gear or Savage content. So the game is getting a little long in the tooth and I don't actually like coming back every two years and just being super confused on how to play and the story. Endwalker may be a jumping-off point for me.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 11, 2022, 04:40:45 PM
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Well just like in 15, FF deny us the chance to really see the high tech land of the enemy that we've heard about for years when it actually looks cool.
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 11, 2022, 05:04:51 PM
...and I don't actually like coming back every two years and just being super confused on how to play and the story. Endwalker may be a jumping-off point for me.

I mean...there is a middleground solution between this and subbing indefinitely. You can always come back once a year or so and do the new story stuff.
A lot of people just come back every 6 months for a month sub and play a few weeks doing the latest raid tier and some MSQ/side stuff/24man raid catchup.

I take breaks but I still play every 3-6 months and I've never had an issue with breaks.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 12, 2022, 01:23:22 AM
Yeah I get that, but I'm not a big raid person. I've really only done the Stormblood raid because of the Tactics/XII connection, the story, and because I wanted the armor for aesthetic reasons. I did the raid when I came back for Shadowbringers. I'm not even that interested in the Nier raid and I haven't finished Eden yet. Which I may, but the reality is I'm mostly into the main story quests. Once I'm done with those and leveling the jobs I like I usually bounce. Yeah I could come back for the patch story, but those are usually less than 5 hours long.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 12, 2022, 02:18:09 AM
The raids, the trial sidestories and other stuff are pretty substantial sidequests.

I mean that's fair if you're not into them. But Coil, Alexander, Omega, Eden, etc... are all worth doing and outside Coil they aren't any more difficult than the main story so it's just as accessible.

Coil is really good btw if you never did it. Worth doing unsync'd with people on party finder. Good story. Eden has a good story too.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 12, 2022, 02:54:24 AM
I have finished Omega and most of Eden and yes they have some of the best boss battles in the game along with decent stories. I figure I should do Coil since it seems to have a decent story with some good background lore.

But I'm now past the 2nd dungeon. Despite my joke about having some XV deja vu since we finally go to Galermald and it's destroyed, I have to say the whole storytelling there was good. It continues XIV's penchant for having actual mature storytelling.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 26, 2022, 08:36:50 PM
Finished Endwalker. It was ok. I don't like it as much as Shadowbringers and would honestly say it ranks below all the other expansions.

My opinion can b summed up as "It's Shadowbringers 2, but less good.

That doesn't mean its bad, FFXIV in general is a great game and this was a good conclusion, very much a reward for longtime fans.

But...

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I guess my problem is with the story. Like all expansions, it has filler and those story beats that involve helping out some other group that is kind of boring but will eventually tie into the main story. But I felt like there was a lot of filler and a lot of downtime and goofy moments. But also I simply do not like the End of Days being tied to the Ancients. To me it makes the story smaller hasn't it not be as much of a mysterious force, something even they could not ascertain. No instead memory hijinks and Hydelanjust keeping to herself are the reasons this all happen. Its strangely not epic and also not very interesting to me. Maybe I didn't want to know the full background as to why, but its just I wish it was an even greater force then the Anchients.

But I get it. Emet Selch was very popular. Got to bring him back. Shadowbringers was popular so do another story about a sad man who you can feel sympathy for. But Hermes is no Emet(which bravo good on them for making a distinct character) and this whole thing rubs me the wrong way. Other expansions took daring turns and introduced new characters. Here I feel like we are just doing Shadowbringers 2, which is maybe fine as this is the conclusion. And again I like all this stuff, but I do wish maybe it had gone a different way.

And why I find Hermes, Meltion, the worlds of despair, and how they also connect with what happens in Garlamold and the general idea of the Ascians not being able to let go very interesting. In fact, the whole game's themes do work as a call back to Shadowbringers themes of being unable to let go and accept. Which then compiles with this game's big push of "keep going". It did start to feel like they were beating me over the head with it. Which I can't say I felt that way in the other stories.

I also kind of think the Scions were rather stale in this game. Yes they are still the best FF party no doubt. I like most of them, but they were all pretty stagnant. No real character arcs beyond reciting were they a now. But see that's not true for the other expansions. Shadowbringers had Thancred and his dilemma with Reyn and Milfinina. Here everyone is pretty much the meme version of themselves. I also feel maybe my man Estenien became a bit too much comedy relief. Also Gra should have died, he's fine but adds nothing to the Scions. 
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 26, 2022, 09:18:09 PM
All fair points. I enjoyed the end stuff and felt it came together pretty well even if it was just nonsense anime power of hope & friends.

It definitely has filler, holy fuck does the lvl.84 MSQ quest drag. And I think it would've honestly been better if the

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End of Days causing negative dyunamis wave from space was...Zeromus from FF4, since that's exactly what Zeromus is...a negative wave of hate in space. I think if the story had been that the ancients caused it by sending out probes to deep space only to find Zeromus and bring earth to its attention it would've been better.

The whole "every race we encountered destroyed itself so we went crazy and tried to kill everyone back on Eorza" was a bit iffy.

That said I did like Hermes/Fanandiel. They could've got even more development and that finale of Hermes on the lvl.89 dungeon was just alright. Emet-Sech was done better.
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I think you're right in that it's like Shadowbringers but not as good, but I think even if the story isn't quite as good, it pulls off the ending pretty well for the whole thing and that's impressive and quality.

I actually like the story of every expansion after ARR. Heavensward was great, Stormblood's Japan side story was great, Shadowbringers was great, Endwalker was great. ARR was ok but just too long and too much filler. I thought all the post-patch MSQs were weak and mostly filler except Heavensward which was exciting and finished off the story well.

Otoh, the more I play and get my other battle jobs to 90, the more I think the gameplay in Endwalker is stale af. The jobs I play really didn't get anything groundbreaking this expansion and pretty much just play the same as always with a couple new buttons. I think the Trails/Raid fights are still well designed, dungeons are still mostly boring with some fun bosses, but gameplay really feels like they gave up and it's just more of the same. I think Stormblood combat was the pinnacle of FF14's combat system and then Shadowbringers/Endwalker just started dumbing things down and making all jobs the same.

Also the Endwalker role quests are boring compared to the old job quests.

I feel like either the combat designers/gameplay designers mostly moved on to other projects or there is just a lack of direction in FF14's combat at this point. The encounters are still very well designed so they aren't falling off with that. It's just the gameplay rotations and style for the jobs need a refresh.

If that doesn't happen I'll still keep playing for the stories and raids, but definitely not as into the game now as I used to be. Having run the Pandeamonium raid a million times at this point I think this first tier is really plain, so I'm interested in seeing the quality of the first 24man in March.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 26, 2022, 09:53:43 PM
Heavensword Post-MSQ is fucking amazing. I remember just being at the edge of my seat watching what was happening, not knowing it would be Shadowbrinngers later that would make good on it. Baelsar's Wall is still a favorite of mine and I still sometimes hum that tune. And man the quotes! Yeah that was an exciting storyline.

Post Stormblood was lots of set-up, so it was ok. Ghimlyt Dark is great though.

I think my problem comes down to:

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Meteion. She's just a bit too troupy. I know it's an obvious choice, it's just scray anime Andriod complete with crying blood ghost face was not what I was expecting. Also every time they said Dynamis, I would reply Gundammhh(for you 00 fans).
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Yeah combat seems to be a little stale these days. Its new to me, but the Monk's perfect balance not only doesn't seem to make much sense but also a lame "eh here this will spice up the rotation" throw away. Like I feel MNK players want more directionals. I think people want jobs to feel more unique.I hated in SHB that Astro lost the random aspect. I started playing Ninja because it was very diffrent. I just started leveling other jobs so I'll see what happens. Unlike with SHB and whatnot, I have not really followed Endwalker updates. Everything I'm doing I'm finding out as I go.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 27, 2022, 02:55:36 AM
Yeah, maybe I should play Monk.

Ninja is ok. The problem is the rotation is just so much work for so little damage it's kinda ehh. The old Ninja only let you do a ninjutsu attack every maybe 40-60 seconds so mostly you were just doing your 1-2-3 combos with weaving in oGCD attacks and hitting a ninjutsu when it was available. Now it's just ninjutsu all the time and it's a little overboard. I think if I hadn't played Ninja for like 4 years straight I'd probably enjoy it currently, but it was my first real job (I started FF14 as a Gladiator and then switched to Ninja at lvl.16 when it became available) and I only played 1 job until post-patch Stormblood so I'm pretty over it. The lvl.90 NIN skill is ok but kind of boring and spammy.

Dark Knight is lol, I honestly like it for Ex/Savage fights because it is the most simple boring job ever but it makes it easy to not fuck up and you can just pay attention to the mechanics the whole time. The lvl.90 end skill is a joke.

White Mage is pretty boring these days. It's serviceable, but all the new Endwalker skills are pretty boring. It only got 3 new things, 1) an extra shield charge which is very nice but it's just an extra charge, 2) a 15% DEF UP for 8S on someone which is...ok but kind of boring, and 3) the lvl.90 bell skill which is super underwhelming. At the end of Shadowbringers WHM at lvl.80 got an all party shield for like 10-15% for a decent amount of time while ALSO boosting all heals for 20% during that time. That was a nice end skill.

Red Mage is decent. It's the next job I'm going to take from 80->90. Not sure what the new stuff is. They remastered the existing stuff in a nice way to get a 5% or 10% all party damage up buff instead of just to self and they increased some charges.

I have Samurai up a bit through doing the HW beast tribes. It seems fun and I've only seen through like lvl.60 in terms of skills. I might level it further and see if it's a more fun job.

Those are the only battle jobs I've done. For the remaining role quest I'm either going to do Bard, Dancer or Machinist. Machinist looks pretty boring and I like that Bard can actually play music outside of battle. Dancer seems neat, but I'm leaning towards Bard. Hopefully it'll be a fun job to play.


Honestly though because of queues and stuff I kind of dislike DPS jobs. Not only that but with 8 man or 24 man fights you never feel like your personal damage is visible and doing much because you're only doing like 1/7th of the total damage at any moment. Whereas when you play Healer you are constantly seeing what you are doing for the fight by keeping people alive and reviving people and shielding people. Same with tank when you're taking tank busters or shielding party members or leading the boss around. It feels like you're actually doing something.

So maybe what I need is to level a new tank and/or a new healer job for something fresh with new skills and rotation style while also still being more interactive in combat. For Tank Gunbreaker seems the most complex and fun tank so I'd go with that. For healer I'd probably play Sage just because it sounds like Astrologian has been totally nerfed and is boring simple like WHM and same with Scholar now.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 27, 2022, 11:35:04 PM
Ok, started leveling my lvl.80 Red Mage and despite one nerf change on acceleration, once I got in the hang of the new rotation it is very fun and very active. They made it kind of like Ninja in that you're constantly shooting off holy/flare/scorch.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on January 30, 2022, 01:06:12 PM
ShB > EW, although it was a fine enough stopping point. The moon was super-underutilized after all of the buildup. I just found the pacing really bad, but there is the fact I was powering through to avoid big spoilers when that is absolutely the wrong way to play.


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I agree should have gone the Zeromus route, it honestly was what I was expecting that and was kind of disappointed in the super animu arc out of nowhere. It kept reminding me of kingdom hearts tbh.
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There are a lot of good bits though. I think overall I'd put it even with HW.

I hate tome grinds so will be avoiding that mess, I am still having fun trying out more DPS/tank stuff after having been straight heals from ARR >>> ShB. we'll see how long I stick around for.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on January 31, 2022, 07:45:37 PM
I like this shot I took the other day

(https://i.imgur.com/nO8mliSh.jpg)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on February 05, 2022, 10:55:48 AM
I keep getting The Seat of Sacrifice in the Trial dallies and:

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Yeah I really wish this was the finale appearance of Emet-Selch. Yes, I know Endwalker doesn't bring him back alive and that’s some restraint. But it still comes pretty close to making him your “buddy friend”. And I know he’s so popular that you have to bring him back. But it was just the most obvious thing to do to please the fans that honestly I don’t like it. I’ve found XIV in general to have pretty daring storytelling that does not feel like it makes concessions to the fans. Until Endwalker.

But I like Emet’s appearance in the trial because it’s the developers winking and smiling at you. “Yeah, you know who this is”. But it’s still somewhat subtle and it’s a nice little epilogue. He’s “helping” you to smack some sense into Elidibus. Complete with his sarcastic nonchalance emoted through only his animation. It’s just a nice touch and I wish they had complete restraint to limit it to this.

I guess this just further cements my feelings about Endwalker’s storytelling. That it was a little too fanservicy.
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Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Rahxephon91 on February 09, 2022, 03:48:09 PM
I think I can say Ninja is my favorite job. It's just so active and I feel like I'm always jumping around doing crap.

I've enjoyed it sine Shadow, but I hit 90 yesterday on it and it was just a real fun leveling experience.

Compared to MCH anyway, which I don't know how to play I think. MCH is my easy mode job.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 09, 2022, 04:53:45 PM
Glad you dig it. It's pretty busy, though the issue with too busy is it feels like a lot of work for DPS.
But I feel similar about RDM as I'm taking it from 80->90. It's almost as busy as NIN and in a fun way.

Mostly just been going through the normal "!" quests from Endwalker with RDM and doing my daily custom deliveries to get my crafting/gathering glam gear done. Already done with all the new master recipe books (which are mostly boring stuff so far) and fully gear out my gatherers and about half my crafters.

Regular players always look down on getting the crafting/gathering gear since the generic i570 HQ gear with melds has better stats, but I really prefer my crafters/gatherers all have unique gear for their visible slots so I can glamour outfit each job. Worth the 10 mins of custom deliveries once a week for a couple months each expansion. For the next set of crafter/gatherer gear in expansions that they all share, I get the gear but I don't even bother saving it as a template for any of them. If I need to craft something that's hard I'll just hit the recommended gear button and equip it that way. But otherwise I leave the unique gear on them.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 09, 2022, 04:54:46 PM
I might try another attempt on P1 Savage this weekend a month later after my 20+ hours of PF failing to clear it last month. People are better geared now, so maybe it'll go smoother. Otherwise might just give up until next expansion and then do it unsync.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on February 19, 2022, 01:15:23 AM
Welp, they had their live letter tonight on the next ten years of FF14 and ...it's nothing  :beli

New graphics starting with 7.0 for the whole engine and all past content/future content and AI partners for ARR/HW/SB dungeons so you can solo the entire game without interacting with another person once.

But otherwise pretty much just the standard post-expansion patch cycle. Some new dungeon content that scales between 1-4 players, otherwise same old, same old.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Akala on February 19, 2022, 11:55:30 AM
what did you expect? we aren't even at 6.1 they have been on vacation lol
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 08, 2022, 03:00:39 PM
Game is back on Tuesday with 6.1.

Feels too soon, not ready for more FF14 in my life right now haha. But will be curious to see where they go MSQ-wise from here and to see the new 24man raid start. The trailer bosses for it seemed kind of cool and Ivalice-ish where you're fighting "gods" aka summons for each of the bosses. Ivalice fights were amazing, so definitely hyped for it.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 15, 2022, 03:29:48 AM
Solo'd the boss of the 6.1 MSQ dungeon for the back half of its HP after my healer/team died as DRK thanks to the new 6.1 Living Dead.

It's still no WAR, or really as survivable as any other tank, but before DRK was useless without a healer and died quick. Now you can actually survive a bit since delirium + bloodspiller absorbs enough HP during LD to max you back to full HP and not instakill you when LD ends.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on April 17, 2022, 02:38:58 AM
The new 24man raid's alright. Didn't think the fights were too memorable, but they were decent and the music was real good.

Also my retainer got some old piece of NIN chest gear that is craaaazy looking.

(https://i.imgur.com/nXxPHoyh.png)
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 18, 2022, 01:50:09 AM
Been playing a lot of FF14 this week now that 6.15 added the story content of 6.1. Sidequests, Hildebrand, Beast Tribe. Fun stuff.
With the Beast Tribe already finished off my 4th character for role quests with my Red Mage. So just have 1 role quest left with physical range.

Started a Bard from lvl.1 this week and already at lvl.40. You go through 1-30 so fast now.

Bard seems fun. Feel like I have good dungeon DPS so far.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on June 23, 2022, 11:45:20 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/LyujBdeh.png)

Finished HW with my Bard, into Stormblood now. HW job story was pretty good! Getting the hang of Bard life.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 24, 2022, 08:17:03 PM
Next raid tier is out.

They got some real budget going on here. Awesome music, awesome graphics, visually cool and interesting fight mechanics. Will be interesting to watch the Savage vids for these fights.

https://youtu.be/XXeq5ENOaG4
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on August 24, 2022, 08:27:27 PM
Also most important update to FF14 was this patch:

Glamour dresser upgrade from holding 400 pieces to 800 pieces!!

My retainers now actually have some free space after shuffling things around. That's more than two full retainer inventories worth of inventory space (they really should double retainer inventories).
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on October 22, 2022, 03:00:18 PM
FF14 added these new variant dungeons this week. I guess they're a replacement for Palace of the Dead/High on Heaven.

They're a lot better in that the difficulty level is way higher with much more exciting boss patterns. There's also a savage version of the them with savage level mechanics.

Basically it's a dungeon with 12 branching paths. So there's some replayability and some challenge. There's no role restrictions and like Bozjan you can bring in two extra actions (so like bring in cure/raise on a tank). Feels fun so far after one run.


They also added a farming sim at 6.2 to get on the Harvest Moon/Stardew Valley craze. It's pretty simple and grindy but it's alright. Not hugely time consuming and I'm sure they'll expand it over time.
Title: Re: FFXIV
Post by: Bebpo on March 07, 2023, 11:15:16 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/SWyZC8h.jpg)

Rave bunnies was not on my FF14 future additions bingo card