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[The Fake Shemp]

I don't think any Republicans see eye-to-eye with me on the subject of health care reform, and that's fine. Unlike you, I recognize that both parties are working for the same corporations; their PR is just different. Neither party really want us to reform the industry.

We need a single-payer system. It's not only important to the health and well-being of our nation, but vital to our success and security for future generations.

[Kestastrophe]

I should have clarified, I mean cost per person, not cost as a whole (assuming that the probability for loss is less under mandatory coverage than it is currently, which is reasonable).

[The Fake Shemp]

Technically, costs per person should go down (but not if you're already insured and aren't eligible for government subsidies, your premium will probably go up).

Now the question will become, how much health care will that get you if the health insurance industry decides to use funky accounting and other creative ways to cook the books? There are measures in place to force insurers have to spend a mandatory amount in health care and provide a minimum level of service, but I don't think the industry will do either honestly.

We are still not really controlling the costs. The millions of new paying customers, especially young and healthy, are nullified by the adverse reaction of having to bring on a bunch of high-risk patients (some of which won't even be able to join the federal pool).

The exchange, from what I read, doesn't actually really promote competition.

I won't even touch the subject of pharmaceutical costs, which are a huge chunk of health care costs.

A lot of this bill is wishful thinking in my opinion, and needs a lot of things to fall in a row to work correctly. We'll see how it works out. My money is on total trainwreck.

[Van Cruncheon]

the self-employed are treated like shit under current tax laws, period. my youngest brother is in the same place eel is; he's a self-employed web dev who tries to do the right thing and actually file his taxes instead of working some shady under-the-table agreement, and he gets dicked for it. it's pretty much bullshit. i have quite a few friends who are self-employed, and it's no wonder they get pissed; the downside is they're smart and good citizens and couldn't be a tea party loon if they tried. it's simply sad that the current tax structure pissess all over ACTUAL entrepreneurship, and rewards corporations and wall street and upper middle-class assholes like me, and not the folks that aren't whores to the current socioeconomic system and are striking out on their own as their own bosses.

and they coulda ended recission without the crappy private health care requirement and the bizarre tax credit structure, but obama pussied out on the public option, and single-payer was never even on the table because of everyone squawking SOCIALISM

[The Fake Shemp]

Maybe he should do what our Congress does, Prole.

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... and not pay his taxes.

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[Eel O'Brian]

just to clarify a couple of things

my taxes were actually pretty low this year, as difficult as that may be to believe

in 2008, I paid in 4600 total (i did make 5k more, as i said earlier)

this year i had a couple of extra expenses, and i guess i qualified for a $400 break according to my tax guy/brother

i suppose i could make shit up to deduct, but i have been warned that nowadays  they love to flag odd-looking deductions and haul your ass into an office to explain yourself

i am not trying to whine or ask for special treatment at all, i'd just like to have the same access to various benefits or programs that someone making the same as i do working for someone else has

what i am looking at is paying that 700 to 800 because i might be able to swing that much as opposed to the 1500lol i know i won't, and still not having any kind of health care to show for it in the end

and before anyone brings it up, i know i got a RoG laptop this year, and i had a third wii, and various games/etc, but what you don't know is i sold a lot of other possessions to be able to do that, as well as cutting corners here and there like forgoing a paint job on my flaking truck and continuing to wear the same painting clothes i've had for the past two years and eating off the dollar menu quite a bit (i love you, wendy)

all told i spent somewhere around $300-350 actual cash on myself this year - that probably would have been money better spent elsewhere, true, but there's no joy in working your ass off just to be able to afford to continue working your ass off

and yeah, i'm gonna get an ipad with some of the money i'm getting from selling my shit off, i've already had things pass through my hands and shipped off to some random ebayer which i'll never see again in my lifetime, and goddamned if i'm not going to have a little something to show for it when it's all gone

when you're a nerd my age you've accumulated a lot of stuff over the years, and now i am reaching the end of it, so next year will be very different/interesting - i won't have things to trade for other things, or to help pay off taxes, etc.

it's just sort of looking more and more like i might be better off throwing my hands in the air and getting on the government dollar

[Smooth Groove]

Eel, I was serious about the offer.  Let me know if there's something you want on Steam.  I'll be glad to help a friend in need. 

[Eel O'Brian]

Eel, I was serious about the offer.  Let me know if there's something you want on Steam.  I'll be glad to help a friend in need. 

nah, but i certainly thank you for the offer, i still have all that stuff from the crazy holiday sale, and i have a gamefly account, so as long as the hardware holds up i still have access to games

man, reading through all that there's no way it didn't come off whiny, haha

i just hate being reminded that i am sort of poor every year around this time

[Kestastrophe]

Why not add a paypal donate button to the borecast homepage? You guys can spend the money on games, equipment, etc.

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donate-intro-outside

i am not trying to whine or ask for special treatment at all, i'd just like to have the same access to various benefits or programs that someone making the same as i do working for someone else has

sorry to hear that 

[Smooth Groove]

I'm not fond of Apple but I'd love to have an Ipad for myself.  It's crap as a gaming device but its multimedia abilities are awesome.  

I wouldn't mind pitching in $50 to get Eel one first so set it up, Jinfash.

[Eel O'Brian]

thank you, but please don't

i'm not gonna go the rebelfm route

i have an ipod touch that i got with birthday money/gift cards/some of my own $ last year, i'm just gonna sell that and put some of the ebay money with it

plus prole hooks me up with gadget hand-me-downs all the time  so it's not like i am a techless hobo or anything

[Smooth Groove]

How about I just sent you some Korean ramen?  That stuff is cheap and tasty.  You'll love it as long as you don't mind spicy foods or getting fat. 

[Eel O'Brian]

^^hahaha^^

in conclusion, my business advice is not to start one

now where's my fucking forbes cover

[Ichirou]

Cheebs sounds like such a cold asshole replying to Eel, but that's to be expected.  In Cheebs' eyes, Lord Obama can do no wrong.

[Eel O'Brian]

i don't hate the guy or anything, i'm sure he's making what he thinks are the best decisions, but i'm not buying much of the "we'll fix it later" talk

[Ichirou]

It's kinda risky to go around with out insurance, what happens if you get cancer?  

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Ask your friends at GAF to start folding on their PS3s?

omfg

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

That is because Cheebs is a pampered white boy in the suburbs.  He'll never really know what hard times are like except for when his mom gets him the wrong kind of coffee when he sits in the backseat of his mom's car (or likely an SUV).

[Ichirou]

That is because Cheebs is a pampered white boy in the suburbs.  He'll never really know what hard times are like except for when his mom gets him the wrong kind of coffee when he sits in the backseat of his mom's car (or likely an SUV).

How is that any different from most of the people who post in this forum?  I figure at least 75% of the folks who post here are pampered whiteys.

[Eel O'Brian]

cheebs is just saying what he believes is right, and i can't fault him for that, i've always known no one's gonna look out for me but me so i didn't take any of it as personally as you might expect

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

That is because Cheebs is a pampered white boy in the suburbs.  He'll never really know what hard times are like except for when his mom gets him the wrong kind of coffee when he sits in the backseat of his mom's car (or likely an SUV).

How is that any different from most of the people who post in this forum?  I figure at least 75% of the folks who post here are pampered whiteys.

Unsurprisingly, these are the same people that patted him on the head and said, "I'm sorry but you're wrong."

[Cheebs]

That is because Cheebs is a pampered white boy in the suburbs.  He'll never really know what hard times are like except for when his mom gets him the wrong kind of coffee when he sits in the backseat of his mom's car (or likely an SUV).

I am paying for my own college loans. Not my parents. And I drive my own car, thanks. I am not saying I don't come from a good upper middle class family and I somehow live the hard life but don't make assumptions. I rarely ever talk about my real life here.

[Ichirou]

That is because Cheebs is a pampered white boy in the suburbs.  He'll never really know what hard times are like except for when his mom gets him the wrong kind of coffee when he sits in the backseat of his mom's car (or likely an SUV).

How is that any different from most of the people who post in this forum?  I figure at least 75% of the folks who post here are pampered whiteys.

Unsurprisingly, these are the same people that patted him on the head and said, "I'm sorry but you're wrong."

What I'm saying is that it's stupid to imply that he holds that point of view because he "just doesn't know what it's like to have it rough" when other dudes who are in pretty much the same position as him disagree with him.

Cheebs is just Cheebs.  I've never gotten him to agree with me that Obama has done something badly and I probably never will.

[Great Rumbler]

the self-employed are treated like shit under current tax laws, period. my youngest brother is in the same place eel is; he's a self-employed web dev who tries to do the right thing and actually file his taxes instead of working some shady under-the-table agreement, and he gets dicked for it. it's pretty much bullshit.

My dad is a self-employed carpenter, so I've seen how bad it is. He pays out the nose in taxes and has no workers comp, retirement, or company insurance.

[Brehvolution]

^^hahaha^^

in conclusion, my business advice is not to start one

This is the truth. I've tried to get into business for myself twice and failed both times. All it got me was a mountain of debt that we are still paying off today.

[Brehvolution]

It takes a while to get a reputation for quality work. It's all about being able to weather the initial debt incurred when starting a business.

[The Fake Shemp]

I'm self-employed. It sucks.

[The Dark Shake 3000]

Cheebs may be in a better situation than a lot of people but I still don't see why that should be a strike against what he posted. Yes, a marginal percentage of people in this country are hurt by health reform and what have you, but it is going towards a good cause. The government's not simply throwing your money away or giving it all to wellfare queens, like a lot of these Tea Party folks keep squawking about. I would happily live on Ramen noodles for a little while if it meant contributing to the betterment of my peers and perhaps even helping to save someone's life. Yeah it sucks that Eel and people like him have to more or less foot the bill, but at least it's going towards something that's actually worthwhile and not the usual shit like funding a war very few people asked for.

[The Fake Shemp]

I think Mandark pretty much spelled out it completely over the course of two or three replies, but in case you missed it: It's called tact. Look it up.

[AdmiralViscen]

Shake and Cheebs are both 19 or something, right?

[The Fake Shemp]

I believe so, give or take a year.

[The Dark Shake 3000]

Yes, I'm too young to own my own business. I guess that means I can't talk politics :'(

[Ichirou]

Annihilated.

[Cheebs]

Shake and Cheebs are both 19 or something, right?

No

[The Dark Shake 3000]

Who was annihilated, exactly? Or do you just like saying that randomly now since your dealings with GS?

Like I said I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes, I just don't think going "well Cheebs is in college so lololol" is a real excuse to ignore the point he was making. The common good should be more important than anything, even one's own wellbeing. Or maybe that's too socialist, idk.

[Cheebs]

My dad makes 250k a year and says he is perfectly fine with getting his taxes increased for Obama's various programs that it is understandable based on his tax bracket. Hell he says its unfair there is a cutoff of 90,000 (I believe that is what it is) for what you taxed on for social security. He thinks it should be for his full income. I guess he hasn't experienced life enough?

It has nothing to do with where you are in life.

[The Fake Shemp]

Jesus Christ, you two are dense.

[Ichirou]

Who was annihilated, exactly? Or do you just like saying that randomly now since your dealings with GS?

Basically, yeah.

My dad makes 250k a year

My dad makes 250k a year

My dad makes 250k a year

My dad makes 250k a year

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[The Fake Shemp]

It's another thing to tell the losers that they should also like it, especially in a way that's dismissive of their grievances, especially in a way that treats them like simpletons ("what if you got cancer?"), especially by citing benefits to other people who already have it easier than them.

I had to make the font bigger, because apparently you didn't read it the first time.

[AdmiralViscen]

Who was annihilated, exactly? Or do you just like saying that randomly now since your dealings with GS?

Like I said I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes, I just don't think going "well Cheebs is in college so lololol" is a real excuse to ignore the point he was making. The common good should be more important than anything, even one's own wellbeing. Or maybe that's too socialist, idk.

I was talking more about you saying you'd be wiling to eat nothing but ramen noodles for the greater good.

[Cheebs]

And he is a socialist who votes for Ralph Nader!

[The Dark Shake 3000]

Who was dismissing their grievances? You guys jumped on Cheebs for making a valid point and saying he is being insensitive when he was not. He even said he understands where Eel is coming from and feels bad for him, and yet you guys jumped on him for "being a dick" anyway. No one is saying Eel doesn't have a right to feel the way he does, but rather that he should just keep in mind what good the money he's giving away is doing for others. Others who, contrary to popular belief, often aren't living an easier life than someone who owns their own business. Saying people who don't have jobs have an easier life than you do is what's dismissive. It's akin to being against wellfare because "lolol all those wellfare queens just spend it on drugs and liquor".

[Ichirou]

Who was dismissing their grievances? You guys jumped on Cheebs for making a valid point and saying he is being insensitive when he was not. He even said he understands where Eel is coming from and feels bad for him, and yet you guys jumped on him for "being a dick" anyway. No one is saying Eel doesn't have a right to feel the way he does, but rather that he should just keep in mind what good the money he's giving away is doing for others. Others who, contrary to popular belief, often aren't living an easier life than someone who owns their own business. Saying people who don't have jobs have an easier life than you do is what's dismissive. It's akin to being against wellfare because "lolol all those wellfare queens just spend it on drugs and liquor".

Willco annihilated.

[AdmiralViscen]

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[The Fake Shemp]

Who was dismissing their grievances? You guys jumped on Cheebs for making a valid point and saying he is being insensitive when he was not.

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It sucks he has to pay for something he can barely afford, but that is not enough of a reason to not be happy with the overall benefits of the mandate and the law as a whole. It helps too many people. It is worth being happy about and proud that it got passed.

I mean I had benefits from the govt job I was working full time last year. I left it and now getting my masters full time. Thanks to this law I am able to go back on my parents plan till I am finished in a year and get a job again. I have no reason to hate this law.

Really, Shake? Really?

[Cheebs]

I was talking about ME being happy with it. Not him. Don't spin my words. I made sure to bring up multiple times it was understandable he was pissed with it but for ME the greater good of the bill was worth supporting.

Are you saying because eel takes a hit from it I can't he happy with it? That makes no fucking sense.

[The Dark Shake 3000]

Yeah, I still fail to see what's so insensitive about those posts. Eel even said he understood where Cheebs was coming from and isn't taking it personally.

You guys just want to jump on someone regardless, I guess.

[Ichirou]

Willco destroyed.

[The Fake Shemp]

Oh, I figured as much. I was pointing out that part in reference to Shake's assertion that you were not dismissing his grievances.

"Well, that sucks for Eel, but health care reform! Let the good times roll!"

"... I'm still poor, though!"

"Whatever!"

[The Dark Shake 3000]

He's not dismissing his grievances. He even says it sucks for Eel. What is so offensive about those posts?

[The Fake Shemp]

Yeah, I still fail to see what's so insensitive about those posts.

Big surprise!

Eel doesn't care because he doesn't care about what anyone says. He admits that he is aware that nobody will help, least of all Cheebs showing some tact.

[Cheebs]

Oh, I figured as much. I was pointing out that part in reference to Shake's assertion that you were not dismissing his grievances.

"Well, that sucks for Eel, but health care reform! Let the good times roll!"

"... I'm still poor, though!"

"Whatever!"

Yeah it sucks for eel but tell me why that should at all impact my support of it? I am not eel. Yes his situation sucks and he has every right to be angry about the bill.

But I am not Eel! The law helps me (and millions of people). Tell me again why I can't praise something I like and that helps me just because it sucks for eel? I don't understand at all.

[The Dark Shake 3000]

Not showing tact would be posting something like "shut the fuck up you angry old white man, don't you know what a greedy fuck you're being? This is good for people you fucking tea party asswipe!"

Again, no one said this, because we realize it's not such a black and white issue. Cheebs merely posted why he thinks the act is a good thing, and people attacked him out of turn for being insensitive.

[Ichirou]

Real talk: I'm sorry, Shake, but Cheebs really did come off sounding like a bit of a dick.  Like he just HAD to defend Obama (like he always does), instead of just keeping his mouth shut and being respectfully silent regarding Eel's situation.

And then you came in the next page and basically repeated the same thing, with the added cup noodles joke.

I'm not saying you guys were purposefully being dickish at all, but there was a certain lack of tact regarding a situation neither of you is ever going to have to deal with.

[The Fake Shemp]

I like how your argument for Cheebs not being insensitive is that he was not a raging asshole.

"He could have been so much worse! What would have really been insensitive is that if Cheebs raped Eel's family members and then shat on his couch! Now that's insensitive!"

Yes, Shake, you can be insensitive without being a raging asshole. You two don't get it and none of us expect you to. Martyr it up, please.

[Cheebs]

I could spin the same argument and say you are being insensitive for not thinking of the poor people who now can get on the new health care govt. program that will be created when you said you didn't like the bill. You want them to rot in the street and die?

See how stupid that sounds? That is exactly what you are implying but using eel instead. And even then I have said multiple times he has every right to be pissed about this. But you act like as if he is the center of this entire law. Yes it sucks for him but there is ton of other people impacted by this law, many for the better and for that I supported it.

If I demanded every piece of legislation to help everybody and cause absolutely nobody to have to pay a penny more in taxes then I wouldn't be able to support a damn thing government ever does.


It is stupid eel is involved in this because I have no problem with him, he has every right to be pissed. Nothing wrong with that. It's his right and he seems to have a good basis to be angry about the bill.

But your weird demand I cant praise something just because one person at eb doesn't like it is...insane.

[The Fake Shemp]

I could spin the same argument and say you are being insensitive for not thinking of the poor people who now can get on the new health care govt. program that will be created when you said you didn't like the bill. You want them to rot in the street and die?

I guess you could, if these hypothetical poor people were in this thread and discussing their actual lives, you dolt.

[The Dark Shake 3000]

Real talk: I'm sorry, Shake, but Cheebs really did come off sounding like a bit of a dick.  Like he just HAD to defend Obama (like he always does), instead of just keeping his mouth shut and being respectfully silent regarding Eel's situation.

And then you came in the next page and basically repeated the same thing, with the added cup noodles joke.

This isn't a "my dog died" thread or something. This is an internet forum, and Eel posted something that was clearly meant to engender discussion about issues facing most of us on this board. Why isn't Cheebs allowed to post something that speaks to his own situation? This isn't Eel's thread nor did Eel ask us not to post anything in response to his post. Cheebs was respectful and his reply is hardly as incendiary as you guys make it sound.

[The Fake Shemp]

I don't think anyone said Cheebs was malicious (but nice deflection), but that he was insensitive.

... which he was.

[Cheebs]

So I have to keep my mouth shut about my support for health care purely because eel didn't like it?

See, I would get that if this was eel's thread talking about his shitty situation (which it very much is). But this wasn't and we were discussing politics before he shared his view. Just because he didn't like it all conservation had to stop and I was no longer allowed to praise the bill? You don't realize how crazy that sounds?

I don't think anyone said Cheebs was malicious (but nice deflection), but that he was insensitive.

... which he was.

It's insensitive to say all debate had to magically end just because eel came in and shared his story of his situation. All debate magically has to stop at EB when some one comes into a thread and has a different side of the story? How does that make ANY sense?

[The Dark Shake 3000]

You guys should all stop shitting up my thread with discussion that doesn't center around my video nor specifically the Tea Party event in NYC :'(

Stop being so insensitive, guys. There's already an existing politics thread.