Sales Bore | Media Create And Other Sale Numbers |OT|

[Phoenix Dark]

So...that's not bad but not great. I guess the question is how will it sell in the coming weeks/months there, with no software on the horizon.

[Cerveza mas fina]

So the top selling Wiiu game in week 2 in the uk is doing sub 10k.

Andrex Mario Galaxy looks pretty barren in HD, you can def see its GcN era hardware uprezzed.

[ToxicAdam]

Nintendo cares about 5-12 year olds and their parents. When it comes time for parents to buy their child a gaming console, Nintendo is going to get them because they will always be cheaper and will have more games that appeal to them (both the parents and the kids).

The only people that are delusional are the twenty-somethings that still thinks Nintendo cares about them. They will gladly take their money .. but they aren't going to cater their buisness plans  to their wants/needs anymore.


It's not a bad business model if you think about it. Get 'em while they are young and then get them when they are old and are feeling nostalgic or want to share that nostalgia with their children.


 


 

[ToxicAdam]

Considering that Nintendo's stock is around 9000, when it was at 70,000 at the height of the Wii craze in 2007 ... I would say shareholders are already prepared for the worst.

[bachikarn]

Yeah, I don't think anyone expected Wii success, but I'm sure it is selling well below expectations as well.

[maxy]

http://www.4gamer.net/games/117/G011794/20121212048/

[Great Rumbler]

http://www.4gamer.net/games/117/G011794/20121212048/

[maxy]

Famitsu (top 30)


Go Vita!

[ToxicAdam]

Did 3DS get a price drop in Japan also? I'm kind of curious to see how it effects sales in the U.S. for December.

[Don Flamenco]

"Dreams 5 Yakuza, who do come true" 356 000 books. This 163 000, 300,000 8000 "New Super Mario Bros. U" Wii U is the body "sales ranking week +"

[maxy]

Learn Japanese,sucka.

[Cascade]

Weekly Japanese Sales

3DS sells a third of Vita's LTD in one week. Vita sells 14000 units in a holiday week.

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|System | This Week  | Last Week  | Last Year  |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |     LTD     |
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| 3DS # |    319.025 |    211.499 |    367.691 |  4.836.260 |  3.601.990 |   9.118.403 |
|  WIU  |    126.916 |    308.142 |            |    435.058 |            |     435.058 |
|  PS3  |     42.976 |     36.994 |     65.119 |  1.122.851 |  1.405.753 |   8.759.236 |
| PSP # |     33.002 |     19.637 |     64.468 |    791.854 |  1.915.285 |  19.521.238 |
|  PSV  |     14.446 |     11.039 |    324.859 |    649.081 |    324.859 |   1.089.067 |
|  WII  |     10.346 |      6.714 |     60.916 |    455.825 |    759.199 |  12.619.046 |
|  360  |      1.760 |      1.216 |      3.584 |     74.114 |    108.850 |   1.610.159 |
|  PS2  |      1.102 |        904 |      1.400 |     56.107 |     74.773 |  21.830.214 |
| NDS # |        541 |        424 |      9.155 |     67.524 |    637.589 |  32.876.010 |
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|  ALL  |    550.114 |    596.569 |    897.192 |  8.488.674 |  8.828.298 | 107.858.431 |
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| 3DSLL |    206.973 |    136.373 |            |  1.687.841 |            |   1.687.841 |
|  3DS  |    112.052 |     75.126 |    367.691 |  3.148.419 |  3.601.990 |   7.430.562 |
| DSiLL |        221 |        179 |      5.600 |     37.008 |    334.909 |   2.331.327 |
|  DSi  |        320 |        245 |      3.523 |     30.516 |    282.017 |   5.864.566 |
|  PSP  |     33.002 |     19.637 |     64.468 |    791.854 |  1.899.745 |  19.345.251 |
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Can someone take Vita out behind the shed and put him out of his misery?

[Great Rumbler]

3DS has already passed the PS3 in LTD.

[Tasty]

Doomed.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Japan is irrelevant Andrex so yeah congrats? Japans devs are right up there with eastern euro jank for most part so maybe you can get some c tier games on your ds.

[Tasty]

If liking C-tier Japanesey games is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

[Steve Contra]

If liking C-tier Japanesey games is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

Liking C-Tier Japanese games these days means you're a pedo.

[Tasty]

If liking C-tier Japanesey games is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

Liking C-Tier Japanese games these days means you're a pedo.

[Purple Filth]

Weekly Japanese Sales

Can someone take Vita out behind the shed and put him out of his misery?

why would they when its already dead?

[tiesto]

Japan is irrelevant Andrex so yeah congrats? Japans devs are right up there with eastern euro jank for most part so maybe you can get some c tier games on your ds.

I expected better trolling from you, come on now Lager How is the second largest gaming market "irrelevant"?

[Huff]

I don't think that last sentence is right borys

Not that I'm agreeing that Japan is irrelevant

[Himu]

Japan is irrelevant Andrex so yeah congrats? Japans devs are right up there with eastern euro jank for most part so maybe you can get some c tier games on your ds.

You know you're talking with gamers when one of the largest markets in the world (and still one of the largest producers of games) is irrelevant.

The sales numbers in Japan aren't that far from America's, what with how much the latter has weakened in the last few years.  Taking population size into account, it's considerably stronger than America's.  The companies themselves are financially healthier on the whole, too.

But gamers, I guess

Worst thing is he was not trolling but being serious.

C'mon, K, that is just a missed analysis on your part.

You cannot compare Japanase market to CoD sales in the West and say it is broken. FF/ DQ move around the same numbers in Japan alone as CoD does in the US alone.

Um. DQ maybe. But FF? In 2012? LOL.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I wasnt talking sales bros but games and mindshare.

Maybe one in 15 games Ive played this gen is Japanese.

[Himu]

Well, that's just your taste. Though most of the games I play and enjoy now are western games, I wouldn't call Japanese irrelevant.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I think so too, but lets be honest here, what greatness has come out of Japan this gen?

Square is a wreck, Nintendo is in shambles, Namco and Konami dont seem to make games anymore. Sega?

Two best games from nippon last 7 years have been Dead Rising and Demon/Dark Souls.

Now ofc this is my taste, but Japan looks on life support to me.

[tiesto]

Best RPG with Xenoblade, best 3rd person shooter with Vanquish, best 3D character action with Bayonetta, best 2D fighting game with KOF XIII, best 3D fighting game with VF5, best 2D platformer with NSMBU, best 3D platformer with Mario Galaxy, best shmup with Mushihime-sama Futari. Also lots of random offbeat stuff like Tokyo Jungle, Resonance of Fate, Catherine, Every Extend Extra, Valkyrie Chronicles, 999.  Of course my taste in games is RPGs/platformers/fighting/shmup and I don't really care for FPS games, sandbox games, MMOs, RTS games, western RPGs or dungeon crawlers. Genres which are primary the domain of western devs.

Of course Japan is hurting in mindshare in the west, but that's because of false narratives being pushed by the western games press, a lack of faith in products from Japanese devs and their localization team (when was the last time you saw a non RE/non FF/non Nintendo Japanese game get TV commercials in the US or euroland?), a marketplace where handheld gaming dominates (in contrast to the west where nobody takes handheld gaming seriously), and a new more casual batch of game players coming in who are more interested in facebook farming games or (on the total opposite end) COD/Halo and nothing but COD/Halo... who won't be adventurous enough to pick up that obscure Japanese (or obscure Western) IP... people who in the past would have broadened their horizons and picked up something out of their comfort zone not being able to, due to the bad economy.

Square? Bravely Default and Type 0 are both reported to be excellent. The DQ7 remake is pretty ambitious considering the original is one of the longest games ever made and is now getting a total graphical overhaul. DQX was also quite a hit for the company. But unfortunately their localization sucks lately. Also FFXIII-2 wasn't half bad either.

Nintendo, in shambles? Well, the Wii-U may not being selling up to expectations but I would hardly call it being in shambles (Sony is doing FAR worse).

Namco makes plenty of games but a lot are anime adaptations that don't come out in Japan. But this gen has been pretty good for US Tales fans, and those games are generally pretty good. They also published both Dark Souls and Ni No Kuni, and released Tekken Tag 2 which is an awesome fighter oozing with content (and I'm generally not a Tekken guy).

Konami, no argument there Hopefully Ground Zeroes will be good.

Sega, they started off pretty strong with the Platinum deal, but their focus on going digital-only kinda sucks. Even though we got a fully-translated Monster World IV out of them, which is fucking amazing.

[Himu]

I think so too, but lets be honest here, what greatness has come out of Japan this gen?

Square is a wreck, Nintendo is in shambles, Namco and Konami dont seem to make games anymore. Sega?

Two best games from nippon last 7 years have been Dead Rising and Demon/Dark Souls.

Now ofc this is my taste, but Japan looks on life support to me.

Mario Galaxy is my gotg. *shrug*

PSP was my favorite system. *shrug*

Nintendo DS my second favorite system. *shrug*

Lots of Japanese games, just not all in one contained platform like in the past.

[Tasty]

Japan is irrelevant Andrex so yeah congrats? Japans devs are right up there with eastern euro jank for most part so maybe you can get some c tier games on your ds.

You know you're talking with gamers when one of the largest markets in the world (and still one of the largest producers of games) is irrelevant.

The sales numbers in Japan aren't that far from America's, what with how much the latter has weakened in the last few years.  Taking population size into account, it's considerably stronger than America's.  The companies themselves are financially healthier on the whole, too.

But gamers, I guess

If 3DS was bombing in Japan but doing great in America it would suddenly be the most important market.

[Trent Dole]

Vita has 360 in its sights for LTD JP sales.

[Fifstar]

Japanese developers need to get their shit regarding pc versions, good japanese games are the only thing I'm missing as a now pc only gamer. Things have gotten better slightly over the course of this generation but still not nearly good enough. I guess in a lot of cases it's just not viable, as typical pc gamers are rarely interested in japanese games but they still could/should try to build an audience.

[Himu]

Japanese developers need to get their shit regarding pc versions, good japanese games are the only thing I'm missing as a now pc only gamer. Things have gotten better slightly over the course of this generation but still not nearly good enough. I guess in a lot of cases it's just not viable, as typical pc gamers are rarely interested in japanese games but they still could/should try to build an audience.

to be fair we just got nights on steam and platinum is said to be doing bayonetta and vanquish ports.

[Tasty]

Sonic CD and Gen too.

In fact Sega's been pretty awesome on PC. Not only porting them but going through Steam as well.

[Himu]

Sonic Generations and CD have been on steam for ages. Nights HD just came out last month but there was no steam version. Hoping for VF5FS or the AM2 Collection.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Tiesto, not going into list wars but just to show how opposite my tastes are. Best rpg Fallout, best 2d platformer Super Meat Boy, best third person action game Gears, best 3d platformer Mirrors Edge. Not to forget all the Cod and Fifa

Lager, dude, what has happened here is this:  other regions stepped their shit up considerably this gen, especially in the console market.  Before this gen, if you weren't on a PC, and you were a reasonably hardcore gamer, you pretty much had to be playing some Japanese games.  This gen, you could have your needs met and more without touching a Japanese game.  Which is pretty much what you did, Lager.  It's fairly telling which J-games you did list.  Like most gamers, your needs are met quite well by going where you're told to go, and this gen that roadmap only included a couple of stops in Japan.

Now, this is compounded by the fact that you don't really play handhelds, which is where a lot of Japan's focus has been this gen.  You're the western equivalent of a Japanese DS owner saying western developers are irrelevant.  It's a claim borne of ignorance, and that ignorance is fine, but the claim makes you look foolish.

You made me realise im pretty much a western games type of guy. My fav console last gen was the xbox cause of the western games. It all goes back to my childhood where I played Civ 1, Alone in the Dark etc before I played Mario.

But do I really follow a roadmap? I like to play whats good.

[archnemesis]

Do you even play games on handheld systems, Lager? 95% of all the good games for the DS are Japanese without any exaggeration.

I'm also primarily a PC gamer, but Japanese developers are still doing a great job in many genres.

[Himu]

Yeah, Lager didn't even mention dedicated handheld systems like psp and ds.

[archnemesis]

If his argument is that western developers make better PC games, then sure, I'm with him.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I've had two DS'es and two PSP's.

But I really don't remember what I played on them. I know I finished FF3, tried Ace Attorney (didnt really like that), Advance Wars ofcourse. Played some Syphon Filter, Burnout, Wipeout, Tekken. But I kind of stopped playing on handhelds.

I played  bunch of Vita stuff for work though Wipeout, Sound Shapes, LBP.

I played loads of Game Dev Story on my phone.

[Himu]

I don't...really have a road map. I mean, there are some games I may prefer over others, but my interest is all over the place these days.

[MCD]

I think I played like...15 games on my DS. 5 Phoenix Wright games and 3 Castlevanias...and some others.

It sucked. And the RPGs sucked as much. Fucking dungeon crawlers and BAD graphics everywhere.

PSP was for ports and flashing firmware then Ys came and saved it for me.

[MCD]

And Dragon Quest? I'd rather play hentai games over that outdated garbage.

Same goes for Pokémon.

[archnemesis]

I currently have 42 DS games and there are maybe 20 more I want to pick up eventually. Despite having terrible graphics compared to other modern systems, most of the games are quite enjoyable. The stylus controls added a lot to games like Etrian Odyssey, Professor Layton and Inazuma Eleven.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Holy fuck Oscar. Fuck a roadmap you just buy in bulk 

[MCD]

I can't imagine what kind of person is fucking looking forward to Lightning Returns but calls Dragon Quest garbage, but hey, gamers, so

I sold all my Pokémon collection because I got tired of the same old same shit and DQ is no different.

[MCD]

In fact, I played Sands of Destruction over any DQ games. That's how bad they are.

[Damian79]

Wow it is like the personification of bad taste.  SoD over DQ really?

[DCharlieJP]

currently have 42 DS games and there are maybe 20 more I want to pick up eventually. Despite having terrible graphics compared to other modern systems, most of the games are quite enjoyable. The stylus controls added a lot to games like Etrian Odyssey, Professor Layton and Inazuma Eleven.

... This reads like a low key days shopping so I'm baffled why this is being brought up

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[archnemesis]

Even though I buy way too many games, I try to be picky with what I pick up. The naive part of me still believes I will have time to complete everything.

[maxy]

I would say that Japan is as irrelevant as Nintendo these days.

[maxy]

Currently playing Dragonborn + Far Cry 3,didn't play Halo 4

Also
The Last Remnant>>>>FF shit

[Cerveza mas fina]

Wait Ill just make  seperate thread lets not think shit up SALES TALK (sic!)

[maxy]

Do we?

My opinion,purely from the Western standpoint

Nintendo and Japan are both fairly healthy,they have its problems by they are far away from crashing.

If you want to play Nintendo games,you have to buy Nintendo console...everything else can be easily obtained on other platforms,mind few third party anomalies  like Bayonetta 2

If you want to play Japanese games you have to move to Japan/learn Japanese or stay in the West/learn Japanese and pay outrages prices for import hardware and software...games like Mario,MGS,FF,Dark Souls,etc excluded

Japan/Nintendo are both doing its own thing(handhelds/Nintendo games).

I think lots of those things can be said about the West from Japan standpoint.Healthy is certainly not the one,though.

[Damian79]

The Last Remnant>>>>FF shit

I agree.

[Tasty]

"Best 3D platformer Mirror's Edge"

Wow it is like the personification of bad taste.  SoD over DQ really?

He likes WP7, that should have tipped you off.

[tiesto]

Mirror's Edge is fucking amazing and one of the best games I've played all gen, but for some reason whenever we talk about 3D platformers I always skip it... I guess my mind always associates the game with being more of an FPS than a platformer, even though it's technically much closer to the latter.

[MCD]

Stop being a kid, Andrex.

[ToxicAdam]

If you deny Andrex his inner toddler, he might disappear.

[Rahxephon91]

The Last Remnant>>>>FF shit

I remember this game. I tried to play it on my xbox and it ran worse then Oblvion when on a hoarse. I then tried it on my PC and realized it was a shit game anyway.

[Steve Youngblood]

"Best 3D platformer Mirror's Edge"

Not that I agree it's the best or anything, but why are you challenging this when we all know you've never played Mirror's Edge, as it wasn't a Wii game.

[Tasty]

"Best 3D platformer Mirror's Edge"

Not that I agree it's the best or anything, but why are you challenging this when we all know you've never played Mirror's Edge, as it wasn't a Wii game.

It's on PC though, so I could have played it. I didn't because it didn't appeal to me at the time.