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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3420 on: November 13, 2022, 02:17:43 PM »
Trump when he realizes he made his fans aware of fraud and campaign money laundering :existential
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3421 on: November 13, 2022, 02:39:36 PM »
To the surprise of everyone no Trumpian candidate has so far challenged the outcome of their race in any meaningful way.

I'm also seeing some of the brains of the GOP operation argue that it is worthless to contest the 'cheating' and they should instead get in on it by also exploiting mail-in ballots.
Which they still think aren't legit votes but as long as the Democrats use that tactic they might as well too.

They seem to be angry about different things.
Most of all Mitch for not backing MAGA candidates and Trump for replacing more competitive candidates with his own people and raking in all the donations.
They're also very angry at the pollsters (who've gone silent) that reported numbers most favorable to the GOP to seemingly gain Trump's favor and get hired by the MAGA candidates.
This also made them realize that maybe Trump isn't 5 or 7 points ahead of Joe Biden as those polls show.

Another example
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1591628614843654144

That all actually sounds pretty good, too bad those democrats only exist in his head instead of reality.

doesn't he live in thailand or some shit :girlaff
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3422 on: November 13, 2022, 02:50:48 PM »
To the surprise of everyone no Trumpian candidate has so far challenged the outcome of their race in any meaningful way.

I'm also seeing some of the brains of the GOP operation argue that it is worthless to contest the 'cheating' and they should instead get in on it by also exploiting mail-in ballots.
Which they still think aren't legit votes but as long as the Democrats use that tactic they might as well too.

They seem to be angry about different things.
Most of all Mitch for not backing MAGA candidates and Trump for replacing more competitive candidates with his own people and raking in all the donations.
They're also very angry at the pollsters (who've gone silent) that reported numbers most favorable to the GOP to seemingly gain Trump's favor and get hired by the MAGA candidates.
This also made them realize that maybe Trump isn't 5 or 7 points ahead of Joe Biden as those polls show.

Another example
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1591628614843654144

That all actually sounds pretty good, too bad those democrats only exist in his head instead of reality.

doesn't he live in thailand or some shit :girlaff

Yea Malaysia, he’s twitters right wing version of Excelsiorlef

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3423 on: November 13, 2022, 02:54:49 PM »
https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1591818922784952322

Dems lose a seat because a progressive socialist primaries a moderate. COPE.
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« Reply #3424 on: November 13, 2022, 03:06:22 PM »
Big beautiful flip Lori, well done.  :maduro
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3425 on: November 13, 2022, 03:11:06 PM »
To the surprise of everyone no Trumpian candidate has so far challenged the outcome of their race in any meaningful way.

I'm also seeing some of the brains of the GOP operation argue that it is worthless to contest the 'cheating' and they should instead get in on it by also exploiting mail-in ballots.
Which they still think aren't legit votes but as long as the Democrats use that tactic they might as well too.

They seem to be angry about different things.
Most of all Mitch for not backing MAGA candidates and Trump for replacing more competitive candidates with his own people and raking in all the donations.
They're also very angry at the pollsters (who've gone silent) that reported numbers most favorable to the GOP to seemingly gain Trump's favor and get hired by the MAGA candidates.
This also made them realize that maybe Trump isn't 5 or 7 points ahead of Joe Biden as those polls show.

Another example
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1591628614843654144

That all actually sounds pretty good, too bad those democrats only exist in his head instead of reality.

doesn't he live in thailand or some shit :girlaff

Yea Malaysia, he’s twitters right wing version of Excelsiorlef

he's a pathetic grifter, i remember when he was big hitter in the sjw scene during gamergate :heh
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3426 on: November 13, 2022, 04:21:49 PM »
DeSantis please announce on Monday. LOL.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-intends-to-launch-presidential-campaign-on-tuesday-despite-pressure-allies/

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Trump intends to launch 2024 presidential campaign Tuesday despite pressure from allies to wait, sources say

Former President Donald Trump intends to launch his 2024 presidential campaign on Tuesday, not an exploratory committee or anything less, sources close to Trump say.

The former president, who has said he'll make a "big" announcement Tuesday night, has been calling around and telling associates of his current plan. A senior adviser told CBS News that, in Trump's mind, it would look weak if he didn't launch his campaign and instead announced an exploratory committee.

Trump endorsed a number of candidates in the midterm elections and many of the Senate and gubernatorial candidates he backed lost their races. A senior source close to him told CBS News that Trump has been privately infuriated over the results of the midterm elections, a report that the former president denies.

"For those many people that are being fed the fake narrative from the corrupt media that I am Angry about the Midterms, don't believe it," he posted Thursday on social media site Truth Social. "I am not at all angry, did a great job (I wasn't the one running!), and am very busy looking into the future. Remember, I am a 'Stable Genius.'"

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a potential 2024 rival whom Trump has jabbed on Truth Social and in rallies in recent days, will be addressing a closed-door Republican Governors Association meeting in Orlando with donors at the same time as Trump's Tuesday announcement.

It's a dark time in Trump's inner circle, as several long-time friends, donors and aides of the former president have described to CBS News in the last 24 hours. Many of them say Trump is listening to very few people, isolated, and mean-spirited about his potential rivals. That sentiment materialized Friday in a social media post directed at Republican Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin, another potential 2024 contender. Several of those Trump allies say they're tired of his rants, and are avoiding him.

"I have never seen him more irresponsible and chaotic than he is today," a veteran Trump adviser who worked on the 2020 campaign told CBS News. "He seems to be in self-destruct mode. It is irresponsible to attack DeSantis and Youngkin, and it's irresponsible to announce  any time in the near future but definitely before the Herschel Walker runoff is complete."

Some former Trump advisers, like Jason Miller, have gone on television and urged the former president to not make his announcement before next month's Georgia Senate runoff between Democratic Sen. Raphael Warnock and Republican football star Herschel Walker. Republican Rep. James Comer of Kentucky said in an interview with CBS News Friday he would "prefer" for the president to wait until after the Georgia runoff race.

On Wednesday, CBS News reported that a senior source close to Trump said if he announces a 2024 bid before the runoff race, "I don't see a path forward." That source, who is frustrated over Trump's political missteps, compared the enthusiasm at DeSantis' victory rally, attended by a couple of thousand people, and his 19-point win, to Trump's event at Mar-a-Lago, with 100 of his friends and political consultants, and his high-profile losses. It is clear who American voters want, they said.

"This is a sinking ship," the senior source close to Trump said of the lack of enthusiasm for an emerging Trump 2024 campaign.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3427 on: November 13, 2022, 05:14:57 PM »
Another example
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1591628614843654144
Wait until this guy finds out this was the state of things for the last two years.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3428 on: November 13, 2022, 05:32:39 PM »
AHAHAHAHAHAHA Don't agree with everything Candace does or says but get him girl. Get him sis! Everybody is turning on Orange Boy. I need to support Daily wire Plus and get a sub. I choose that over the NYT. :doge

https://www.businessinsider.com/candace-owens-donald-trump-rude-change-her-mind-about-him-2022-11

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Candace Owens said Trump's rudeness made her realize he's vengeful, paranoid, lacks humility

Candace Owens said on her Daily Wire show that Donald Trump was rude to her.

The conservative firebrand said the experience made her "question him as a person."
   
Owens said that Trump is "holding onto a vengeful spirit" and appears to lack a vision for 2024.

Candace Owens, speaking on her Daily Wire show after the midterms, said that former President Donald Trump being rude to her made her question for the "first time" what kind of person he is.

Owens, who once referred to Trump as "the savior" of the free world, described how the former president "actually got upset" with her following an interview with him in which he defended COVID-19 vaccines.

After the interview in December 2021, Owens defended him in an Instagram video, saying that people often forget "how old Trump is" and that he comes from a generation who "came from a time before TV, before the internet, before being able to conduct independent research."

The Daily Beast covered it, headlining the story: "Candace Owens: Trump Is Pro-Vax Because He's 'Too Old' to Understand the Internet."

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1591520345630310401

In her monologue on her Daily Wire show this week, Owen's said she was sharing the "personal story" because "it's something that made me for the first time question him as a person."

The conservative firebrand went on to say that Trump twisted a "completely kind and fair interview."

"That is not being a leader, that is not owning things that you did wrong, that is not owning that you misunderstood something about your base," she said. "That's not growing, that's not developing."

Owens said that was the moment she realized he was "not listening" and made her question if he was becoming "too angry."

Owens said that in previous elections, Trump was "having fun," and "the energy, it was electric." However, she said after the 2020 election, he is in "an angry space" and has become paranoid.

She repeated that "he was so rude to me."

Owens said that there are conversations going on behind Trump's back that deserve to go public. She suggested he is "holding onto a vengeful spirit" and questioned if he has a vision for 2024. "It needs to be more than, 'I'm back,'" she said.

Trump is expected to announce a 2024 presidential bid imminently, but The Guardian reported that some advisors and allies are urging him to delay it.

Owens said there's a sense of "trepidation" in Trump, which, she added, was evidenced in him taking a swing at Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis this week. In a flurry of posts on Truth Social on Thursday, Trump called DeSantis an "average Republican governor" and referred to him as "Ron DeSanctimonious."

Trump endorsed more than 330 GOP candidates running for both state and federal offices in this election cycle, but several high-profile candidates lost or badly underperformed in the midterm elections.

Owens said Trump needs to exercise "a little more humility" when he gets something wrong, adding that the midterm results, which saw Democrats maintain control of the Senate, show that Trump and his base are "not sure."

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benjipwns

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3429 on: November 13, 2022, 05:55:08 PM »
I need to support Daily wire Plus and get a sub.
I mean, you don't. There's many better ways to spend your money, like on crack.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3430 on: November 13, 2022, 05:59:12 PM »
I have reward Matt Walsh for the great What Is A Woman doc.
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« Reply #3431 on: November 13, 2022, 06:09:37 PM »
I wonder what Trump has on DeSantis. He kept saying he knew things his wife didn't and Trump is usually pretty accurate with the gossip. :trumps

https://twitter.com/RyanLizza/status/1591868559260635143
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benjipwns

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3432 on: November 13, 2022, 07:05:22 PM »
I have reward Matt Walsh for the great What Is A Woman doc.
The "interviewing stupid people about their stupid beliefs" genre is one of my favorites and Matt Walsh is a quality Twitter troll but none of that seems like something anyone needs to pay for. Meanwhile, crack...

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3433 on: November 14, 2022, 11:13:59 AM »


CANCEL THE COUNT

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3434 on: November 14, 2022, 01:56:41 PM »
Trump tommorow:
"Can you believe this Bankman guy? He runs a sex cult and a fake money scam to steal our elections. I remember back in the day one of my famous friends also a big Democrat donor had a sex cult, he had the most beautiful you have ever seen. If I start talking about I'll never hear the end of it from your future first lady but they were 9's and 10's. This guy was a lot in the news recently, you might've heard about him it was so sad and what they did to Ghislaine Maxwell, who was a great friend of mine by the way, just horrible what they did to her, totally unfair. In any case I see the pictures of them in the fake news you know, she's not even a 5. Everything is going to hell folks and then they donate to the Democrats and the money was supposed to go to the Ukraine and this guy Zelensky. These people are sick, sick puppies. And that's why I have to do it, I have to run, I have to save our country from these people."
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Republicans: :existential
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3435 on: November 14, 2022, 02:30:02 PM »
"This is definitely a money laundering scheme!"
~guy who doesn't know what money laundering is
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3436 on: November 14, 2022, 02:42:39 PM »
Struggling to understand why giving nontax money to Ukraine is bad.   If that money had to get flushed down the toilet anyway at least this is one decent place for it.  Everyone knew SBF at least posed as a lefty - just don't patronize their business if you don't want him doing stuff like this with your money?    What's the scandal here?

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3437 on: November 14, 2022, 06:55:31 PM »
Rewatching some Jan 6th stuff.







This shit terrifies me way more than Russia etc.

Sub-Benedict Arnold tier traitor scum :pacspit

Literally holding confederate (treason) flags and pretending to be "patriots" :snoop

This also revealed to me how dumb as rocks some people are... pretty eye-opening... I'm sad how easy it seems to be to mislead people.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3438 on: November 14, 2022, 07:03:21 PM »
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For the first time in U.S. history, a Confederate battle flag was displayed inside the Capitol


benjipwns

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3439 on: November 14, 2022, 07:15:24 PM »
That seems possibly unlikely to me? There's been Confederate statues inside the Capitol. Hell, there might be some right now, I don't actually know every state's submission to the National Statuary Hall.

Displayed on the floor of the Senate seems a more reasonable claim.

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« Reply #3440 on: November 14, 2022, 07:24:07 PM »
That seems possibly unlikely to me? There's been Confederate statues inside the Capitol. Hell, there might be some right now, I don't actually know every state's submission to the National Statuary Hall.

Displayed on the floor of the Senate seems a more reasonable claim.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/us/politics/confederate-flag-capitol.html

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3441 on: November 14, 2022, 07:31:41 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/us/politics/confederate-flag-capitol.html

:idont
Thanks actually (not sarcastic), exactly what I meant I was sure the former Confederate states had put Confederate stuff in the Capitol before if only because there were literal Confederates who served in Congress after the war even before Massive Resistance brought back deliberate Southern defiance posturing:
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The emblem has appeared in the Capitol before.

The Mississippi flag, which once featured the Confederate symbol prominently, hung in the Capitol until June 2020, when it was replaced after a vote by the State Legislature to remove the emblem.
Although I'm not sure the actual flag of Mississippi should necessarily count as an example. :lol

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3442 on: November 14, 2022, 07:32:03 PM »
Where was Himu on January 6?
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« Reply #3443 on: November 14, 2022, 10:18:52 PM »
Where was Himu on January 6?
How many personalities ago is that?
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3444 on: November 14, 2022, 10:49:53 PM »
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For the first time in U.S. history, a Confederate battle flag was displayed inside the Capitol



I always forget how to do img width thanx
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3445 on: November 14, 2022, 10:50:21 PM »
instead I blow emojis up 400% in mspaint and rehost on imgur which is way too much work
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3446 on: November 14, 2022, 11:38:45 PM »
Where was Himu on January 6?

Watching it and horrified at the time but went back to fucking your mother. Numb and apathetic to it now but always shudder at how disgusting your mom's vee jay jay smelled. She also had mold underneath her tits.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3447 on: November 15, 2022, 12:02:17 AM »
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« Reply #3448 on: November 15, 2022, 02:47:25 AM »
Kari Lake choked like a dog :trumps
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« Reply #3450 on: November 15, 2022, 10:22:27 AM »
Hey benji, I meant to write a response earlier but had no time before now. So here goes.
Much to my dismay, you have started to sway from your usual passive-aggressiveness and switched to more directly insulting me lately. Have I (unwittingly) pissed you off so much you felt the need to resort to this? Come on, you are better than this. How about we give this another shot without the pettiness (and this includes me)? Often when we argue I say one thing, and you in turn argue against something I didn't actually say. That's certainly an interesting, albeit somewhat disingenuous strategy. Is the idea behind it to basically tire me out so the debate eventually fizzles? The benjibuster?

Returning to the discussion at hand. I brought up gerrymandering as an example of a flaw in a democratic system. Sure, I wasn't as precise as I could have been (and quoted an example unrelated to the current election), but all I said was basically "gerrymandering makes democracy flawed".
In your next post, you only mentioned the types of elections that aren't affected while you specifically left out the election of the House of Representatives, which is very much influenced by gerrymandering.
Obviously gerrymandered districts only directly affect elections involving districts. Nobody is claiming otherwise. I still am not exactly sure what your position is.
Gerrymandering gives a disproportionate advantage to those who do it while depriving some voters of representation. I prefer proportionate representation, because it means the voice of a potentially large part of the electorate isn't simply ignored. If there is gerrymandering in a winner-takes-all system (like the one used to elect the members of the House of Representatives), under- and overrepresentation gets even worse.

If you had replied to my initial post with "Sure, gerrymandering is bad but the example you used isn't about the type of elections held during mid terms" I would then have said "Yes, I know, I just used it as a general example of how bad the effects of gerrymandering can be" and that would have been the end of it.
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« Reply #3451 on: November 15, 2022, 10:37:16 AM »
Give it a few days, its his time of the month
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« Reply #3452 on: November 15, 2022, 10:47:53 AM »
Completely unrelated, how did I miss this (from 2020)?
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« Reply #3454 on: November 15, 2022, 02:51:06 PM »
"Look Vlad, I appreciate the sacrifice of the Russian people to get us over the line but unfortunately we've only won the house. Now I'm supposed to announce I'm running for President today but frankly this is a bad time and Herschel will hate me forever if I ruin it for him and Melania really likes to have him around at least until her birthday. With the G20 already going on and this crypto sex cult story we need a Defcon 1 situation, it has to be big and bold if you know what I mean."



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« Reply #3455 on: November 15, 2022, 03:37:06 PM »
 So much news today.

Rick Scott challenges Mitch for Senate leadership during GOP lunch.

McCarthy voted leader.

Poland  :o

And the Don hasn't announced yet.
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« Reply #3456 on: November 15, 2022, 03:45:28 PM »
Trump Organization’s Chief Financial Officer Testifies in Company’s Trial

Allen H. Weisselberg struck a deal with prosecutors to take the stand against the firm that employed him for decades. He is a key witness in the tax-fraud case.
(NYT)
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3457 on: November 15, 2022, 04:37:52 PM »
Returning to the discussion at hand. I brought up gerrymandering as an example of a flaw in a democratic system. Sure, I wasn't as precise as I could have been (and quoted an example unrelated to the current election), but all I said was basically "gerrymandering makes democracy flawed".
In your next post, you only mentioned the types of elections that aren't affected while you specifically left out the election of the House of Representatives, which is very much influenced by gerrymandering.
Obviously gerrymandered districts only directly affect elections involving districts. Nobody is claiming otherwise. I still am not exactly sure what your position is.
Gerrymandering gives a disproportionate advantage to those who do it while depriving some voters of representation. I prefer proportionate representation, because it means the voice of a potentially large part of the electorate isn't simply ignored. If there is gerrymandering in a winner-takes-all system (like the one used to elect the members of the House of Representatives), under- and overrepresentation gets even worse.

If you had replied to my initial post with "Sure, gerrymandering is bad but the example you used isn't about the type of elections held during mid terms" I would then have said "Yes, I know, I just used it as a general example of how bad the effects of gerrymandering can be" and that would have been the end of it.
No, in my original post I told you that gerrymandering is not the cause of the disconnect between the state-wide vote share and district winner results, this is simply geographic districts. You then and have since continued to post all kinds of crap about gerrymandering. A state sending a delegation overrepresented compared to the state-wide popular vote share is not evidence of gerrymandering. Drawing maps to try and achieve this would probably require gerrymandering not eliminate it. I gave you the Oregon example because you probably cannot draw a map to give it a 3-2 delegation instead of 4-1, especially not one that wouldn't look absurd.
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« Reply #3458 on: November 15, 2022, 05:22:35 PM »
Ok, but according to the New York Times, Democratic gerrymandering in New York would have gained the Dems an additional four House seats in this very election if the state's Court of Appeals hadn't struck it down. Is that disinformation?
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« Reply #3459 on: November 15, 2022, 05:58:25 PM »
Ted Cruz actions might cause a shutdown. :facepalm

https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/11-14-2022/shutdown-threat-over-irs/

This is the last thing Americans need now, Cruz. Shutdowns hit people's wallets top to bottom and no one has the time or energy for partisan crap. Increase the bumbling geriatrics popularity by all means though, you fool.
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« Reply #3460 on: November 15, 2022, 06:18:33 PM »
Elect republicans, get a government shut down. Its like clockwork
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3461 on: November 15, 2022, 06:29:19 PM »
« Last Edit: November 15, 2022, 06:36:57 PM by Himu »
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3462 on: November 15, 2022, 06:40:24 PM »
Ok, but according to the New York Times, Democratic gerrymandering in New York would have gained the Dems an additional four House seats in this very election if the state's Supreme Court hadn't struck it down. Is that disinformation?
Well, yes. The New York Court of Appeals struck down a map the legislature had drawn because it conflicted with a 2014 state constitution change in particular the part where the legislature wasn't supposed to do this rather than approve or reject what the already stacked commission had drawn.

In any case, the reason for the critique is that as is common with partisans you're scraping around the margins for edge cases the media has played up rather than looking at the simple legislative solution that addresses the concerns with this, the Electoral College and actual underrepresentation that has been scientifically proven to bring peace on Earth: enlarging the House for the first time since 1920.

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« Reply #3463 on: November 15, 2022, 06:46:26 PM »
Lol

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1592570164662665216

Gen z and millennials don't even answer our phones how tf do you get accurate polling lol
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« Reply #3464 on: November 15, 2022, 07:05:35 PM »
Nate rated them an A-  :heh

Looks like Mcarthy is going under the bus to save Trump  :lol

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1592652733827674112

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1592650833543712769
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3465 on: November 15, 2022, 07:08:27 PM »
Nate rated them an A-  :heh
I would suggest actually reading his tweet.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3466 on: November 15, 2022, 09:35:27 PM »
Guess who's back

Back again
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3467 on: November 15, 2022, 09:37:39 PM »
GOP took the House! :rejoice
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3468 on: November 15, 2022, 09:41:27 PM »
Himu might be getting his way in New York, more progressives rather than right-wing losers like Hochul and Adams:
Jay Jacobs, the state party chairman, is now the target of ire from both progressive and moderate Democrats. Several prominent politicians, including City Comptroller Brad Lander and Liz Krueger, one of the highest-ranking state senators, have called for his ouster. All ideological factions crave competence, and Jacobs has not delivered on even this most basic front.

Hochul said last week she is sticking with Jacobs, who was a holdover from the Cuomo years and maintained a close relationship with the disgraced former governor. Political observers in the state don’t expect Jacobs to last deep into 2023 — the holiday season, or shortly after, might be the preferred time to dump him — but the beleaguered party chair is as much a symptom of the New York Democratic debacle as he is its cause. It’s easy enough to understand the anger at Jacobs: He simultaneously chairs the Nassau County Democratic Party, which oversaw enormous losses for the House, state senate, and county level. All the Democratic gains of the Trump era have been erased, and the suburb, just to the east of Queens, is now deep red. Republicans haven’t been this dominant on Long Island in decades.

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Jacobs has spent much of his time as party chair — he’s held the job in two different instances now — blaming Democratic losses on outspoken progressives. He once compared India Walton, the Black democratic socialist who won the primary for mayor of Buffalo, to David Duke. Even Establishment-aligned operatives have grown tired of Jacobs’s act. In part this is simply because the state party offers very little in the way of organization or assistance, and there’s a growing consensus in Democratic circles that Hochul must move on from Jacobs. The left-wing Working Families Party has stood out because it did undertake a visible get-out-the-vote push to boost its own party and get Hochul re-elected. The contrast between the WFP and Jacobs’s moribund apparatus was telling.

Beyond Jacobs, Democratic machines have atrophied on the county level, particularly in New York City. The Brooklyn Democratic Party, riven by infighting, could barely mobilize as Republicans swept a large stretch of southern Brooklyn. The Queens Democratic Party is hardly more active or better suited to repel Republicans.
Many Democrats blame party chair Jay Jacobs, an Andrew Cuomo holdover that Hochul should have replaced. The centrist Jacobs has cozied up to Republicans, spent party money challenging progressive Democrats in primaries, and refused to endorse the progressive Democratic victor, India Walton, in the primary for Buffalo mayor last year. More than 1,000 New York Democratic leaders, mostly on the left, have demanded that Hochul fire Jacobs; she insists she will not.

“I know that there are lots of people that think I’m the worst person in the world,” Jacobs said after the dimensions of the party’s losses were becoming clear. “But the truth is I’m probably only in third or fourth place.” He might be right; he has competition.

Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chair Sean Patrick Maloney has maybe come in for the worst criticism—including this piece by our own Alexis Grenell, and this one by Slate’s Alexander Sammon. Maloney chased popular first-term progressive Mondaire Jones out of his own district—to be fair, redistricting put both of them in the same district, but Jones had represented most of it. Instead of challenging the man who controlled the party’s coffers in a primary, Jones decamped to a Brooklyn/Lower Manhattan district where he didn’t live, and came in third.

But you know who’s rarely mentioned as a Democrat partly to blame for the disaster? Former representative Tom Suozzi, who gave up his Long Island seat to run a lurid, sexist campaign against Hochul, depicting her as soft on crime as well as not quite up to the job. Suozzi lost that race, badly, and Democrats lost his House seat last week. He almost single-handedly validated the “New York is a hellhole of crime” attack that Zeldin went on to use against Hochul. It didn’t work on Hochul statewide, but it did work on Long Island and in Rockland County, where the House Democrats lost seats they probably could have won. Similar bogus crime attacks fell short in Michigan, California, and Pennsylvania, but somehow found their mark in the Empire State.

Someone who deserves blame too is New York’s Democratic mayor, the night-clubbing, crypto-boosting, ethics-rules-challenging Eric Adams. New York’s second Black mayor likewise took office blaming fellow Democrats for what did feel, for a while, like a scary post-pandemic wave of crime and disorder. He called on Democrats to scrap a bail reform law that made it easier for certain low-income nonviolent defendants to go home without onerous bail requirements; wealthier defendants were able to pay to go free before their trials. He criticized a fellow Black Democrat, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, before he’d effectively taken control of his office, creating the storyline that progressive bail reform plus a justice-minded district attorney made New York City a hellscape.

Then he authored an op-ed in USA Today Monday blaming Democrats for “ignoring [working people] who are deeply concerned about the economy, crime and inflation.” You can’t say Adams lacks chutzpah.

Speaking of chutzpah, all of those men are blaming New York progressives for the lost House seats, for pulling the party too far to the left. The truth is, the party lost seats in what were the hotbeds of white backlash in the 1960s, Long Island and Rockland County. (I know. I grew up in Nassau County.) They were afraid of dark Gotham—dark in many senses of the word. Social change and a diversifying population left more of them open to Democrats over the years. Now Democratic leaders like Adams and Suozzi have stoked that fear of dark Gotham again. Good work, guys. Your left-bashing won’t work. There’s too much evidence of your incompetence and fealty to the party’s centrist, moneyed donors for serious-minded people to believe your blame game.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3469 on: November 15, 2022, 09:45:48 PM »
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3470 on: November 15, 2022, 09:55:07 PM »

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3471 on: November 15, 2022, 10:10:41 PM »
This fucker is so boring.  Hasn't the "We're getting killed by X country.  We're doing so badly.  We're the laughing stock" loser victim mentality stuff worn off?  This is appealing to voters?

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3472 on: November 15, 2022, 10:25:42 PM »
This fucker is so boring.  Hasn't the "We're getting killed by X country.  We're doing so badly.  We're the laughing stock" loser victim mentality stuff worn off?  This is appealing to voters?
Reunion tours always play the hits.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3473 on: November 15, 2022, 10:36:05 PM »
Himu might be getting his way in New York, more progressives rather than right-wing losers like Hochul and Adams:
Jay Jacobs, the state party chairman, is now the target of ire from both progressive and moderate Democrats. Several prominent politicians, including City Comptroller Brad Lander and Liz Krueger, one of the highest-ranking state senators, have called for his ouster. All ideological factions crave competence, and Jacobs has not delivered on even this most basic front.

Hochul said last week she is sticking with Jacobs, who was a holdover from the Cuomo years and maintained a close relationship with the disgraced former governor. Political observers in the state don’t expect Jacobs to last deep into 2023 — the holiday season, or shortly after, might be the preferred time to dump him — but the beleaguered party chair is as much a symptom of the New York Democratic debacle as he is its cause. It’s easy enough to understand the anger at Jacobs: He simultaneously chairs the Nassau County Democratic Party, which oversaw enormous losses for the House, state senate, and county level. All the Democratic gains of the Trump era have been erased, and the suburb, just to the east of Queens, is now deep red. Republicans haven’t been this dominant on Long Island in decades.

...

Jacobs has spent much of his time as party chair — he’s held the job in two different instances now — blaming Democratic losses on outspoken progressives. He once compared India Walton, the Black democratic socialist who won the primary for mayor of Buffalo, to David Duke. Even Establishment-aligned operatives have grown tired of Jacobs’s act. In part this is simply because the state party offers very little in the way of organization or assistance, and there’s a growing consensus in Democratic circles that Hochul must move on from Jacobs. The left-wing Working Families Party has stood out because it did undertake a visible get-out-the-vote push to boost its own party and get Hochul re-elected. The contrast between the WFP and Jacobs’s moribund apparatus was telling.

Beyond Jacobs, Democratic machines have atrophied on the county level, particularly in New York City. The Brooklyn Democratic Party, riven by infighting, could barely mobilize as Republicans swept a large stretch of southern Brooklyn. The Queens Democratic Party is hardly more active or better suited to repel Republicans.
Many Democrats blame party chair Jay Jacobs, an Andrew Cuomo holdover that Hochul should have replaced. The centrist Jacobs has cozied up to Republicans, spent party money challenging progressive Democrats in primaries, and refused to endorse the progressive Democratic victor, India Walton, in the primary for Buffalo mayor last year. More than 1,000 New York Democratic leaders, mostly on the left, have demanded that Hochul fire Jacobs; she insists she will not.

“I know that there are lots of people that think I’m the worst person in the world,” Jacobs said after the dimensions of the party’s losses were becoming clear. “But the truth is I’m probably only in third or fourth place.” He might be right; he has competition.

Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chair Sean Patrick Maloney has maybe come in for the worst criticism—including this piece by our own Alexis Grenell, and this one by Slate’s Alexander Sammon. Maloney chased popular first-term progressive Mondaire Jones out of his own district—to be fair, redistricting put both of them in the same district, but Jones had represented most of it. Instead of challenging the man who controlled the party’s coffers in a primary, Jones decamped to a Brooklyn/Lower Manhattan district where he didn’t live, and came in third.

But you know who’s rarely mentioned as a Democrat partly to blame for the disaster? Former representative Tom Suozzi, who gave up his Long Island seat to run a lurid, sexist campaign against Hochul, depicting her as soft on crime as well as not quite up to the job. Suozzi lost that race, badly, and Democrats lost his House seat last week. He almost single-handedly validated the “New York is a hellhole of crime” attack that Zeldin went on to use against Hochul. It didn’t work on Hochul statewide, but it did work on Long Island and in Rockland County, where the House Democrats lost seats they probably could have won. Similar bogus crime attacks fell short in Michigan, California, and Pennsylvania, but somehow found their mark in the Empire State.

Someone who deserves blame too is New York’s Democratic mayor, the night-clubbing, crypto-boosting, ethics-rules-challenging Eric Adams. New York’s second Black mayor likewise took office blaming fellow Democrats for what did feel, for a while, like a scary post-pandemic wave of crime and disorder. He called on Democrats to scrap a bail reform law that made it easier for certain low-income nonviolent defendants to go home without onerous bail requirements; wealthier defendants were able to pay to go free before their trials. He criticized a fellow Black Democrat, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, before he’d effectively taken control of his office, creating the storyline that progressive bail reform plus a justice-minded district attorney made New York City a hellscape.

Then he authored an op-ed in USA Today Monday blaming Democrats for “ignoring [working people] who are deeply concerned about the economy, crime and inflation.” You can’t say Adams lacks chutzpah.

Speaking of chutzpah, all of those men are blaming New York progressives for the lost House seats, for pulling the party too far to the left. The truth is, the party lost seats in what were the hotbeds of white backlash in the 1960s, Long Island and Rockland County. (I know. I grew up in Nassau County.) They were afraid of dark Gotham—dark in many senses of the word. Social change and a diversifying population left more of them open to Democrats over the years. Now Democratic leaders like Adams and Suozzi have stoked that fear of dark Gotham again. Good work, guys. Your left-bashing won’t work. There’s too much evidence of your incompetence and fealty to the party’s centrist, moneyed donors for serious-minded people to believe your blame game.

This article is infuriating.

Not sticking to the facts you filthy leftist media puppet (not you, Benji, but the writer) is precisely why I dropped out of Graduate School for Journalism.

Claims:

1. imaginary crime. Compares places like Michigan to Empire state conveniently forgetting NYC's:

a. population density
b. foot traffic
c. lack of car ownership
d. reliance on public transportation

Meanwhile, in Reality Land:

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Since the beginning of the pandemic, New York City hate crimes have been on a steady rise. Already this year, they are up nearly 16% year to date over 2021, according to NYPD data.

In an effort to stop the kind of attacks that have left minority communities across the city on edge, the city’s most recent budget invests a record $1.7 million in the Manhattan district attorney’s Hate Crimes Unit.

Officials say the money is necessary to support outreach and to hire staff to do the extensive research required to prosecute hate crimes cases.

The hate crimes docket is at an all-time high for the DA’s office, at 99 cases, according to officials. That number reflects the current number of open cases, meaning it includes cases initiated this year or in a previous year.

“We’re in a historic moment and we want to meet the need that we're seeing certainly for this office,” Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg said in an interview.

Although hate crimes have increased citywide over the past two years, Manhattan has seen some of the highest numbers of hate crimes citywide.

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2022/08/24/city-provides--historic--funding-for-manhattan-d-a--hate-crimes-unit

Yeah, things are good in NYC.

So much so, they've had to include Hate Crime warnings in the subway platforms since this massive uptick.

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LOWER MANHATTAN, New York (WABC) -- The crime statistics for New York City are out, and they're staggering, with overall crime up nearly 60% compared to this time last year.

Nicole Robinson waited for her uptown train Thursday night, 16 feet from the edge of the platform. And she wasn't alone.

"I don't feel safe anymore. I really don't feel safe. I would rather take the bus for two hours, versus taking the train for 45 minutes," subway rider Nicole Robinson said.

Despite the NYPD's stepped-up enforcement, many New Yorkers are still deeply worried about crime, both in the subways and on the streets.

Last month, overall crime in New York went up 59% over the same period in 2021.

https://abc7ny.com/new-york-city-crime-statistics-subway/11618737/

Yeah, I guess it's in New Yorkers imagination that crime isn't up. It's in my former roommates imagination that they have created self defense classes to empower themselves in a time of growing violence against Asian women. Complete imagination.

2. That the red wave in New York is isolated to Nassau and Rockland Counties.

Yet in the very article that was written, the author even admits that Republicans have completely dominated South Brooklyn. You can see this spread westward towards Sunset Park and Bay Ridge, beyond the confines of Italian-American and Russian-American strangleholds like Brighton Beach, Coney Island, Benson Hurst, Sheepshead Bay, and Midwood of south BK into full on Mexican and Asian American territory of western BK.

The author claims racism and a fear of a "Dark Gotham" as if people's concerns are entirely imaginary and inherently racist.

Also note that this outright falsehood of a quote specifically ignores that the entire state is facing a red shift.

Claim of WACISM because of the red shift is utterly preposterous.

3. Ignores the impact of draconian New York Covid policies.

I don't feel like I need to expand upon this but NY Democrats are fascists.

I looked up the author and he strikes me as the type has his butt hole stretched by his Doorman in his UWS apartment overlooking Central Park. I looked up his accolades and his alma mater is NYU and Stonybrook. Given the views expressed I'm surprised there isn't a Columbia in there. Probably has a car too and doesn't take the subway or else, he'd know what's up.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3474 on: November 15, 2022, 10:43:42 PM »
The author claims racism and a fear of a "Dark Gotham" as if people's concerns are entirely imaginary and inherently racist.
What I liked about that part was to support her theory she cites something she claims happened in the 1960's in response to Republican policies.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3475 on: November 15, 2022, 10:48:18 PM »
The author claims racism and a fear of a "Dark Gotham" as if people's concerns are entirely imaginary and inherently racist.
What I liked about that part was to support her theory she cites something she claims happened in the 1960's in response to Republican policies.

I got them mixed up but the Nation article far more infuriating than the New Yorker one.

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It was up to you, New York. And you blew it.

In one of the nation’s bluest states, Democrats lost an estimated five seats in the House of Representatives. NBC News has been predicting Republicans will win the House by four seats.

There’s a lot of blame to go around. Governor Kathy Hochul wound up defeating crime-baiting, Trump-hugging former GOP representative Lee Zeldin, but only by five points. Hochul lacked much of a visible ground game, and in winning, she had no coattails. In losing, Zeldin did.

I live in a massive city and I'm a journalist and I don't understand why things are happening!

Here's what happening:

Fascist Democrats in New York demanded vaccine requirements for a VIRUS in order to keep your job, even to the point where they require boosters too. All this for working class jobs. Then months later, after zero self reflection, zero on the ground reporting, you point fingers and refuse to wonder why working class portions of Brooklyn (South Brooklyn). Then, like PD and James, you're somehow shocked because you live in a class bubble which does not appreciate differing viewpoints and you're a bad journalist that needs to be fired and relied on MAPS and DATA despite the STORY of the past two years. Add in crime, increased food prices and shortages and you've got a fantastic cocktail.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3477 on: November 15, 2022, 11:22:58 PM »
News outlets are utterly UNDER REPORTING how Covid has impacted NY state. It faced the strictest restrictions in the country. The rest of the country Dems were far more Laissez faire. Even in blue cities in the south you could live life as normal. Not in New York once that vaccine showed up. They are utterly under reporting this story because they think there's only one side to the story.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3479 on: November 16, 2022, 03:07:58 AM »


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