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Smooth Groove · « **Reply #10140 on:** May 30, 2013, 09:38:55 PM »

Indiana takes a bunch of shots from 5 ft or less which should be considered good shots

Higher accuracy and better chance of putbacks

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10141 on:** May 30, 2013, 09:38:55 PM »

End of first Half. 4 point Pacer lead. Feels like a double digit pacers lead.

Pace is incredibly slow. Just the way the Pacers want it. Almost no fast breaks points or opportunities for Miami. Almost no easy points for Miami. Only 6 assists for the entire team.

Wade 1-6. 5 points.

Miami looks utterly befuddled. They are trying to play big with Anderson playing a lot of minutes but they are not use to it offensively and the offense was dragging anyway. What they ran so effectively for most of the season simply doesn't work against indy.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #10142 on:** May 30, 2013, 09:47:53 PM »

Lebron's passes to the 3pt line have been too predictable for the shooters to get good enough looks

I think the Heat will have better success if Lebron drives and dishes to a trailing, reliable finisher like Birdman or Wade

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10143 on:** May 30, 2013, 09:52:45 PM »

Quote from: Smooth Groove on May 30, 2013, 09:47:53 PM

Lebron's passes to the 3pt line have been too predictable for the shooters to get good enough looks

I think the Heat will have better success if Lebron drives and dishes to a trailing, reliable finisher like Birdman or Wade

There isn't enough movement on offense. Lebron has made so really bad passes also. Miami looks incredibly predictable right now. When they were at their best this year people were cutting and moving and the ball was being whipped around quickly. Obviously a lot of credit has to go to Indy. They are not allowing that. They are making Miami look like the old Miami where Lebron sat with the ball for a long time and the offense looked frozen.

I still say the huge problem on offense is Wade. You can't win with him not being a factor. He can be a lesser factor than Lebron but he can't be a non-factor like he's been for this series.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10144 on:** May 30, 2013, 09:57:40 PM »

Good run for Miami there. I wasn't expecting Haslem to drive on that play and be effective.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #10145 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:02:19 PM »

Yeah Lebron has been having too many possessions when he dribbles for too long

This allows all 5 defenders to key in and collapse at the right time

The Heat needs more possessions with someone else starting the play so that Lebron has a better chance of finishing at the rim or getting a clean look

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10146 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:05:29 PM »

Hibbert just made Bosh his bitch on that play.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10147 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:12:08 PM »

Lebron starting to go off. And he has too.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #10148 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:16:03 PM »

I want him to have his fuck-you-celtics game again

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10149 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:16:57 PM »

On one hand its nice to see Lebron taking over. On the other its sad to see how little effort anyway else has brought tonight on the Heat.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10150 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:20:59 PM »

Gotta give some credit to Haslem. He has also balled tonight.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10151 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:24:49 PM »

Indy wilting big time here in the 3rd. Collapsing even.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10152 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:26:32 PM »

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10153 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:35:21 PM »

I'm trying to not be a dick and understand that Wade has an injury but Jesus Christ he looks awful out there. His decision making isn't good either.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10154 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:40:10 PM »

Why is Ray Allen on Paul George.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10155 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:49:17 PM »

Indy's unimaginative offense catching up with them.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #10156 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:55:26 PM »

that cole block/steal was pretty sexy

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #10157 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:59:14 PM »

haslem has been absolutely CRUCIAL in this series.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10158 on:** May 30, 2013, 11:01:06 PM »

I didn't think Miami could win getting a great game from Lebron but absolutely jack from Wade and Bosh. They proved me wrong.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #10159 on:** May 30, 2013, 11:06:08 PM »

Wade's absence honestly doesn't surprise me much, since he's been bumfucked for several weeks

but Bosh? I was thinking he'd have a great series agains the Pacers. I was super wrong.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10160 on:** May 30, 2013, 11:09:22 PM »

Miami finishes with 19 assists. Had 6 in the first half. They only got outrebounded by 1 33 to 32 and they ended up tying on offensive rebounds with 6. Actually outscored Indy with points in the paint 34 to 32. Great second half.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #10161 on:** May 31, 2013, 12:28:08 AM »

Total fouls called tonight: 30 and free throws: 27

Kinda surprising Miami won so easily tonight

The more physical team usually benefits from a game not being called as tight

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10162 on:** May 31, 2013, 01:29:23 AM »

btw Bosh has 18 rebounds in the 5 games in this series.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10163 on:** May 31, 2013, 01:40:13 AM »

http://allball.blogs.nba.com/2013/05/30/quincy-pondexter-loses-series-scores-date-with-miss-tennessee/

etiolate · « **Reply #10164 on:** May 31, 2013, 05:09:16 PM »

Seems the Kings are hiring Mike Malone as their new head coach. I had heard Renadive really wanted him, but I thought they'd hire the GM first.

Reported GM candidates are Wallace from Memphis or Mike Dunleavy. =/

etiolate · « **Reply #10165 on:** May 31, 2013, 07:13:07 PM »

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Former NBA star and Hawks player Mookie Blaylock was one of two people critically injured Friday afternoon in a head-on collision in Clayton County, according to police.

Blaylock, 46, was driving a Cadillac Escalade northbound on Tara Boulevard when for unknown reasons, he crossed over the median and into a southbound lane, Jonesboro police Chief Franklin Allen told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Blaylock’s vehicle struck another vehicle head-on, injuring two people, whose names were not released, and himself, Franklin said.

All three were transported to Atlanta Medical Center, where Blaylock was flown and was on life support and unresponsive, Franklin said. A female passenger in the second vehicle was bleeding internally, he said.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/former-nba-star-on-life-support-after-clayton-coun/nX8Kb/

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Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10166 on:** May 31, 2013, 08:47:48 PM »

Birdman suspended for Game 6 after his dumb push.

etiolate · « **Reply #10167 on:** June 01, 2013, 01:50:07 AM »

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/63835/flopping-in-the-nba-a-history-of-nonviolence

fun read

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10168 on:** June 01, 2013, 03:05:15 AM »

Yep. Flopping has always been around. And the current money fines are toothless as pointed out. Fining millionaires 5,000 dollars is both hilarious and pointless. It's mainly an attempt to publicly shame them to not do it but winning is all that matters. Players at that level don't care about something like that.

The euro leagues make flopping a 2 shot foul and the ball. It makes a lot more sense if you are serious about something to have in game penalties for the actions versus some post game thing because players in the heat of the moment will always do whatever it takes to win. The problem of course is that it would lead to more reviews and slowing down the game and its another judgment call in the heat of the moment. Refs barely get the things they get right currently. Adding another thing to their purview would only make things worse unless they put another ref out on the court and the league is too cheap to do that even now when an extra ref would be highly helpful.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10169 on:** June 01, 2013, 10:53:32 PM »

Chris Bosh 1-8

Dwyane Wade 3-11

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Heat players whose jersey does not say "James" on the back finished 16-51 (31.4 percent) from the field.

Huff · « **Reply #10170 on:** June 01, 2013, 10:58:27 PM »

Why do the heat look like they are going to cry? There is still one more game, right?

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #10171 on:** June 01, 2013, 11:03:38 PM »

this miami team currently looks just like cavs era lebron when they lost to the magic a few years ago

lebron needs some fucking help

still, I'm not surprised it went to seven games. I've been telling everyone in my friend group that there was no way the pacers just laid down in this series. The Pacers are the best team to face Miami in the league – they just match up so well.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #10172 on:** June 01, 2013, 11:42:51 PM »

Can't fucking wait for Skip's take on this

one of the absolute most childish reactions to a call, ever

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10173 on:** June 01, 2013, 11:45:48 PM »

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 01, 2013, 11:40:50 PM

If Stern hadn't gifted the Heat Game 1, this series would be over.

All your whining is made the more hilarious by the fact you are a Lakers fan.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #10174 on:** June 01, 2013, 11:59:55 PM »

yeesh. I thought he was pulling one of these

in some fasion. fucking lebron

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #10175 on:** June 02, 2013, 12:11:11 AM »

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #10176 on:** June 02, 2013, 01:10:55 AM »

It's such a "see, I told you so" moment for his critics lol, and while their narratives will be stupid I can't even defend him. Nor do I want to. Most NBA stars seem quite upset when they don't get certain calls, but sometimes LeBron seems extra emotional over shit like this. Whether it's a hard screen or an offensive foul. Jesus dude, grow a pair.

More importantly, composure. Your team is down with 4 minutes to go, ain't nobody got time for that shit bro

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #10177 on:** June 02, 2013, 01:11:59 AM »

yea lebron is probably one of the worst foul whiners in the league, if not THE worst.

Mandark · « **Reply #10178 on:** June 02, 2013, 01:13:09 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2013, 01:10:55 AM

I can't even defend him.

"can't even"

Dude, you don't defend anyone. You're a hater, and I mean that strictly as a description and not a judgment.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #10179 on:** June 02, 2013, 01:40:51 AM »

Quote from: Mandark on June 02, 2013, 01:13:09 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2013, 01:10:55 AM
I can't even defend him.

"can't even"

Dude, you don't defend anyone. You're a hater, and I mean that strictly as a description and not a judgment.

Oh I'm definitely a hater, but I've always been rather indifferent to LeBron. I enjoy watching him, don't dislike him, etc...so ultimately I'm pretty fair with him.

You know the only person I defend at all costs is Nas.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10180 on:** June 03, 2013, 03:55:38 PM »

Another one of those little interesting Miami Heat forks in the road in a few hours. On one hand I fully expect them to win tonight. Home. Nobody suspended. Miami being more talented. But a loss would be really interesting because it would entail major changes for next season.

There definitely seems to be a schism on this team. Wade seems to be in his own little reality at this point. His comments after the last game were laughable to me. He's been terrible. And his argument for why's he been terrible is that he isn't getting the ball enough.

In the last three games Wade has averaged 12 points. Had 8 turnovers. 11 of 34 shooting field goals. 32%. I won't even go into Bosh. Amazingly he's been even worse.

He does need to get the ball more. And he needs to be effective with it. That's why he hasn't been getting the ball. His chicken and the egg argument is nuts. The more effective he is the more touches he will get.

Either way even if they win, They've shown some potentially fatal flaws to Popovich. Should be fun in a few hours.

And either way they should get rid of Bosh next year for somebody who fits in their system better. They should have amnestied Miller or Anthony this season anyway to upgrade the frontcourt.

Mandark · « **Reply #10181 on:** June 03, 2013, 05:08:29 PM »

Yeah, Wade is clearly not right and it's killing them. Some of the coverage is trying to turn this into a morality play (Selfish Cleveland LeBron vs. Trusting Teammates LeBron) which is just goofy.

But who could they conceivably get who would help them more than Bosh, especially considering Spoelstra's arranged the offense around having LBJ and four guys who can shoot on the floor?

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #10182 on:** June 03, 2013, 06:08:55 PM »

dwight howard

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #10183 on:** June 03, 2013, 06:16:39 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on June 03, 2013, 05:08:29 PM

Yeah, Wade is clearly not right and it's killing them. Some of the coverage is trying to turn this into a morality play (Selfish Cleveland LeBron vs. Trusting Teammates LeBron) which is just goofy.

But who could they conceivably get who would help them more than Bosh, especially considering Spoelstra's arranged the offense around having LBJ and four guys who can shoot on the floor?

How about somebody that can actually shoot?

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10184 on:** June 03, 2013, 06:20:21 PM »

My problem with Bosh is that he is a luxury piece with the Heat. He's isn't what they need. He's just a nice thing to have on a team that already has two superstars. His value is ostensibly to drag the other team's center or power forward out of the paint to create driving lanes. I'm not saying that doesn't have any value. I just think there are people in the league who could give alternate value to the heat that is just as valuable and better suited to battle other big men.

We all know what Miami's weakness is. It's always been the same weakness. I would rather they try to address that area than continue to double down on the current model.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10185 on:** June 03, 2013, 06:26:29 PM »

On a completely unrelated topic its kinda weird what's going on with Hollins in Memphis. It's pretty clear they don't seem to want him but they can't come out and say it. Who gives their coach permission to talk to other teams?

Mandark · « **Reply #10186 on:** June 03, 2013, 06:30:45 PM »

Stoney: Specifically who, though? It's all well and good to minimize what Bosh has done as a luxury, but what players would actually help them more? And from that pool, how many are actually available to a capped-out team?

Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 03, 2013, 06:16:39 PM

How about somebody that can actually shoot?

Bosh was essentially the best shooter on long 2's in the entire league this year, and was shooting over .500 for the regular season and both the Bucks and Bulls series. So what we really mean is someone who's guaranteed to never go cold during an important stretch, so... I dunno, Dirk?

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #10187 on:** June 03, 2013, 06:31:43 PM »

Bosh can shoot fine

his elbow jumpers are usually pretty dead-on. he's just having an off series

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10188 on:** June 03, 2013, 06:38:56 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on June 03, 2013, 06:30:45 PM

Stoney: Specifically who, though? It's all well and good to minimize what Bosh has done as a luxury, but what players would actually help them more? And from that pool, how many are actually available to a capped-out team?

Not sure. I'd have to go into a trade machine and see what works and doesn't work and have a little fun. Don't have time to do it at the moment. Maybe later tonight when the game starts and I have the free time.

Mandark · « **Reply #10189 on:** June 03, 2013, 06:41:05 PM »

The playoffs, when we compare every star to our maxed out Create-a-Players, and find them lacking!

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #10190 on:** June 03, 2013, 06:47:20 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on June 03, 2013, 06:30:45 PM

Stoney: Specifically who, though? It's all well and good to minimize what Bosh has done as a luxury, but what players would actually help them more? And from that pool, how many are actually available to a capped-out team?

Derek Fisher.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10191 on:** June 03, 2013, 06:50:22 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2013, 06:47:20 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 03, 2013, 06:30:45 PM
Stoney: Specifically who, though? It's all well and good to minimize what Bosh has done as a luxury, but what players would actually help them more? And from that pool, how many are actually available to a capped-out team?
Derek Fisher.

Pau Gasol if he wasn't 32 soon to be 33 maybe.

Mandark · « **Reply #10192 on:** June 03, 2013, 06:52:00 PM »

Look, you can say Miami's had the same flaw, but for the two seasons prior to this the most frequently cited problem was the team's predictable and sometimes stagnant offense.

That wasn't an issue this year, as they implemented a new scheme with LeBron operating out of the post a lot more. Bosh has been a huge part of that, both in his willingness to accept a different role and in his elite skillset as a stretch 4. Not to mention the comfort level that has to come with being in his third year with LeBron/Wade/Spo. If what Bosh does was easy, you'd see a lot more players doing it, when fairly few even come close.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2013, 06:47:20 PM

Derek Fisher.

That sounds good, until Fish wants to leave and starts publicly caring about his kids health again.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10193 on:** June 03, 2013, 06:56:27 PM »

I never liked Bosh with the team. He wasn't the biggest problem but he's never been my favorite piece. If they win tonight or if they keep him going forward then that's fine too. They are certainly a very good team with him who will beat 97% of the league and who will always struggle with the Bull, Indy. Teams like that.

I also think if they fail this season or in this game, Bosh is always going to be the most criticized piece and that criticism will reach a new height. Whether Riley thinks that's true or not and valid or does anything about it will be interesting. But if they fail tonight against the Pacers, I'd put myself on the side of them looking at another option however that comes about. Things will probably get broken up after next season anyway depending on what Lebron does.

Mandark · « **Reply #10194 on:** June 03, 2013, 07:21:05 PM »

They're 8-2 against the Bulls in the playoffs?

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #10195 on:** June 03, 2013, 07:32:06 PM »

Probably bs,

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/floyd-mayweather-repotedly-bets-close-to-6-million-dollars-on-heat-060313

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #10196 on:** June 03, 2013, 07:34:47 PM »

If I was a betting man I would bet on the Heat tonight. They really should win. Not sure I would say the same against the Spurs in a Game 7.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #10197 on:** June 03, 2013, 07:39:20 PM »

I'd bet money on hero worship or a villain obituary dominating sports columns tomorrow.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #10198 on:** June 03, 2013, 07:43:31 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2013, 07:39:20 PM

I'd bet money on hero worship or a villain obituary dominating sports columns tomorrow.

I'd bet money on hearing that either Miami or Indiana "wanted it more".

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #10199 on:** June 03, 2013, 08:01:47 PM »

LeBron may have scored 36 points, grabbed 14 rebounds, and had 12 assists in tonight's devastating Game 7 loss, but it doesn't tell us much about his impact on the game or his legacy. For that we must look back to Game 6, when James sprinted from one side of the court to the other in one of the most craven displays in recent sports memory. The question is not where was he running, but what was he running from. The Miami Heat may have been run out of the playoffs tonight, but LeBron ran away from greatness on Saturday night. It is said that Rosa Parks sat so Martin Luther King could walk. But neither could have ever dreamed that LeBron James would run in Game 6 of the 2013 Eastern Conference Finals, when his team needed him the most.

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