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Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
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Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

The North American box art for Guns of the Patriots.
Developer(s)    Kojima Productions
Publisher(s)    Konami
Designer(s)    Hideo Kojima (producer, director, writer)
Shuyo Murata (director, writer)
Kenichiro Imaizumi (producer)
Yoji Shinkawa (director, character designer)
Series    Metal Gear
Platform(s)    PlayStation 3
Release date    June 12, 2008[1]
Genre(s)    Stealth Action
Mode(s)    Single player
Rating(s)    ESRB: M (Mature)[2]
BBFC: 15[3]
CERO: D
OFLC (AU): MA 15+[4]
OFLC (NZ): R16
Media    Blu-Ray-DL Disc
Input methods    DualShock 3 / Sixaxis

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (commonly abbreviated to MGS4) is an upcoming stealth action video game in the popular Metal Gear series. Directed by Hideo Kojima, Shuyo Murata and Yoji Shinkawa, Guns of the Patriots is currently being developed by Kojima Productions exclusively[5] for the PlayStation 3 video game console. The game is being designed around the motto, "No Place to Hide!" and will be the last Metal Gear game developed by Hideo Kojima, and the last game in the series starring Solid Snake.[6] The game will be released worldwide on June 12, 2008, 10 years after the release of Metal Gear Solid and 20 years after the first Metal Gear.[7][8].
Contents
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    * 1 Gameplay
    * 2 Plot
    * 3 Development
    * 4 Characters and voice cast
          o 4.1 The New FOXHOUND
          o 4.2 The Beauty and the Beast Corps
          o 4.3 Cast
    * 5 Soundtrack
    * 6 Marketing
    * 7 Versions and releases
          o 7.1 Limited Edition
          o 7.2 Release bundles
    * 8 Metal Gear Online
    * 9 Reception
    * 10 References
    * 11 External links

Gameplay
Old Snake aiming at mercenaries.
Old Snake aiming at mercenaries.

In Metal Gear Solid 4, the player Old Snake must navigate the game world in order to progress, using stealth and cunning in addition to traditional combat. It will use the series' traditional third person view with full camera manipulation, but also allows the freedom to play in first-person mode, as well as an over the shoulder view which can be switched from right shoulder to left for easy corner maneuvering. The Close Quarters Combat system will be completely revamped. The player will also be able to interrogate guards for information and supplies.

Several elements from previous titles return in modified forms. Players will also use a new form of camouflage called "Octocamo", which replaces the camouflage system featured in Metal Gear Solid 3. Dark blue when disabled, the Octocamo suit allows the wearer to blend in with any surface within a few seconds. A new monocular device called "Solid Eye" replaces the various binoculars and image intensifiers from previous titles, and a steel drum complements the series' traditional cardboard box disguise. It is able to deflect bullets, and can be rolled to knock enemy soldiers over, but can lead to Snake being sick should the player roll around too much.

According to Ryan Payton, the game will be filled with cut-scenes that explain what happened in previous MGS games and how that relates to the events of MGS4. Players will be able to choose whether to view these scenes by pressing the circle button on their controller when prompted. Although informative enough to excite the hardcore fans of the series, the cut scenes will be straight forward enough for casual players. Players will have the choice of watching the cut scenes from predetermined camera angles or exploring them with the Metal Gear Mk. II. [9]

Snake will also be partnered with a robotic drone, the Metal Gear Mk. II, which allows him to communicate with other characters, in addition to the CODEC radio system from previous games. It is also capable of engaging enemies using an electric shock, as well as providing reconnaissance.[10] This drone is reminiscent of Gillian Seed's robotic sidekick of the same name from another Hideo Kojima game Snatcher.

Due to the lack of a rumble feature (an important part in previous titles) from the PlayStation 3 during much of the development, the game had been designed with a new feature: a white "Threat Ring," that visibly vibrates when sound is made nearby.[11] As a series known for extensive use of rumble, when Sony announced the reintroduction of a new DualShock 3, MGS4 was announced as one of the first major games to make use of the force feedback capabilities.[12]

Snake's health will play some factor during gameplay. If injured on the battlefield, cuts and burns will remain on his skin. However, the developers wish to avoid putting the stress of Snake's health to the players, so he wears a muscle suit, allowing players to move in a similar fashion to previous games.[13]

Snake will have two new meters that replace the stamina bar from Snake Eater. The first meter, "Stress", is based on current fighting and climate conditions. This can cause Snake to go into a "combat high",[14] that increases his accuracy and reduces damage sustained. However this effect will eventually wear off and could cause Snake to momentarily collapse. Smoking a cigarette calms Snake down.[14] The second meter, "Psyche", slowly drops over time reducing Snake's accuracy. Scanning the pages of a glamor magazine will increase the meter.[14]

There is also a "Baseline Map" which is a radar map with a dynamic circle based on Snake's "presence" to the environment.[11] Accessible through the main menu, the Virtual Range is a test facility that allows the player to access the game's library of weapons as well as practice Snake's CQC moves.[14]

In the May 2008 issue of EDGE magazine, Kojima expressed dissatisfaction with the final game, citing the game's graphics and his inability to realize his early vision.[14] Kojima later clarified his remarks, stating that he was "very satisfied" with the final game and that his initial comments were sensationalized and mistranslated.[15]

Plot
PMC mercenaries deployed by Outer Haven.
PMC mercenaries deployed by Outer Haven.
Metal Gear series fictional chronology
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops
Metal Gear
Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake
Metal Gear Solid (The Twin Snakes)
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

Set in 2014, five years after the "Big Shell Incident" (the events of the Plant chapter from Metal Gear Solid 2), Metal Gear Solid 4 portrays a world where the restriction of military intervention on foreign soil has been eased, fueling the need for private military companies (PMCs) to fight proxy wars for business purposes. Nanotechnology has become prominent, both to enhance the capabilities and enforce the loyalty of mercenaries. The nanos that are in the PMCs are called "Sons of the Patriots" or "SOP". The five largest of these PMCs (Which are named Praying Mantis, Otselotovaya Khvatka, Werewolf, Pieuvre Armement and Raven Sword) are owned by a single mother company named Outer Haven, which is operated by Liquid Ocelot. Amassing an army whose manpower rivals that of the United States, Liquid prepares to launch an armed insurrection by taking control of SOP. Liquid will have the power to control all of the PMCs. With the world once again in crisis, a rapidly aging and disillusioned Solid Snake is deployed into the Middle East by Roy Campbell to terminate Liquid. Guns of the Patriots will take place in five locations, Middle East, South America and Eastern Europe. It will also including Shadow Moses from Metal Gear Solid.[16]

Development

Hideo Kojima announced that he would be retiring as director of the Metal Gear series after Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, and would leave his position open to another person for Metal Gear Solid 4, as he had announced he would after Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty.[citation needed] As a joke, the new director was announced as "Alan Smithee", but in R, a 400-page book bundled with Metal Gear Solid 3's Japanese "Premium Package", the director was revealed to be Shuyo Murata, co-writer of MGS3 and director of Zone of the Enders: The 2nd Runner. He has also contributed humorous easter eggs to Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty and Metal Gear: Ghost Babel. However, it was announced that Kojima will be co-directing the game with Murata after substantial negative fan reaction, including death threats.[17]

The title has been described as "essentially finished" since January 2008, and is currently entering extensive beta testing.[18] As of April, a team of American and European journalists are the only individuals outside Konami to have played the game through its entirety, and have provided feedback to the development team.[19]

At Destination PlayStation on February 26, 2008, Sony announced that MGS4 would be released worldwide on June 12, 2008, along with the special MGS4 PlayStation 3 bundle.[20]

Guns of the Patriots is the first PS3 game that uses a full 50GB dual layer Blu-ray Disc through extensive efforts in data compression.[21]

In the May 2008 issue of EDGE magazine, Kojima has expressed disappointment in the final result of the game's graphics and his inability to realize his early vision. Kojima says, "But when we actually started developing the game, we realized there were a lot of restrictions and so it turned out how you see it today ... we wanted to create something revolutionary, but in reality we couldn't really do that because of the CPU. We're using the Cell engine to its limit, actually. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising the PS3 machine, it's just that we weren't really aware of what the full-spec PS3 offered."[14] However, Kojima has more recently stated that he is "very satisfied" with the final game and that he never said anything critical of the PS3 in the first place, citing mistranslation by Western media for the purpose of sensationalism for his previous 'remarks'.[22]

Characters and voice cast

Many of the Japanese voice cast from Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty will be returning to reprise their roles in Guns of the Patriots, with the notable exception of Kōji Totani, the voice of Revolver Ocelot, who died in February 2006.[23] Totani will be replaced by Liquid Snake's Japanese voice actor Banjō Ginga. Houko Kuwashima and Kikuko Inoue will reprise the roles of Mei Ling and Rosemary respectively for the game,[24][25][26] Inoue will also voice a new character, Sunny, the daughter of Olga Gurlukovich. Japanese film director Shinya Tsukamoto will provide the Japanese voice for Vamp, replacing original actor Ryotaro Okiayu. An elderly EVA (who appears under the identity of Big Mama), from Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, will also appear, and her voice will be provided by singer Mari Natsuki.[27][28]

English voice acting work is being recorded in tandem under voice-director Kris Zimmerman.[29] David Hayter returns as Solid Snake, with Quinton Flynn (Raiden), Paul Eiding (Roy Campbell), Christopher Randolph (Otacon), Debi Mae West (Meryl Silverburgh), Jennifer Hale (Naomi Hunter), and Phil LaMarr (Vamp) all reprising their roles from previous titles. The role of EVA will be voiced by actress Lee Meriwether.[30] Cam Clarke, who performed the voice of Liquid Snake in the first two Metal Gear Solid games, will not be a part of the Metal Gear Solid 4 cast. The role of Liquid Ocelot was given to Patric Zimmerman, the voice of Revolver Ocelot. Kris Zimmerman, denying allegations of nepotism, has clarified that Kojima always intended for the character to use Ocelot's voice.[31]The character of Rosemary, played by Lara Cody in MGS2, will be played by Jennifer Hale in MGS4.[32] Ryan Payton has stated that due to lack of space that there will be no option to switch audio to different languages.[33]

Other new characters include Drebin, a self-styled "arms launderer" (notably voiced in Japanese by Keiji Fujiwara, the Japanese voice of Sigint in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater) whose Stryker will act as the in-game store.[14]; "Little Gray", a small, shaven, shorts-wearing monkey who appears to follow Drebin; a new FOXHOUND team under the command of Meryl Silverburgh; and the Beauty and the Beast Unit.


The New FOXHOUND
Left to right: Ed, Meryl, Jonathan and Johnny "Akiba" Sasaki.
Left to right: Ed, Meryl, Jonathan and Johnny "Akiba" Sasaki.

The four members of FOXHOUND, also known as "Rat Patrol Team"[14], are sent to investigate PMC activity. The team includes Meryl Silverburgh; Ed, Meryl's second-in-command; Jonathan, a hulking soldier; and Johnny Sasaki, also known as "Akiba", the team's electronics expert. Meryl, Ed, and Jonathan use the SOP (Sons Of the Patriots)[34] system to share each other's senses via the nanomachine network inside their bodies. Meryl states that they are investigating PMC activity for the US Army CID. Ed and Jonathan are named after Ed Brown and Jonathan Ingram, the main characters of Hideo Kojima's Policenauts, from which Meryl also originally gained her name.

The Beauty and the Beast Corps
The Beauty and the Beast Corps.
The Beauty and the Beast Corps.

Four new bosses are also debuting in Guns of the Patriots: Crying Wolf, Raging Raven, Screaming Mantis, and Laughing Octopus, all members of The Beauty and the Beast Corps. Their animal names openly reference characters from Metal Gear Solid's FOXHOUND unit, and the emotions relating to the Cobra Unit from Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater. A close inspection of Screaming Mantis reveals two marionettes of previous MGS bosses: Psycho Mantis and The Sorrow, both of whom were psychics. All four of them are women who suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder. The only way they can cope with the damage done to their minds is to become war machines. Their inner appearance is referred to as "Beauty", while their outer appearance is referred to as "Beast". Four real-life models were chosen for their in-game appearances as their "Beauty" side: Lyndall Jarvis, Scarlett Chorvat, Mieko Rye, and Yumi Kikuchi. The English dubbing for the characters is done by having the female voice actors perform the lines while Fred Tatasciore overdubs on top of the female voices, creating a split-voice effect for the characters.[35]

Cast
Character    Japanese    English    Motion Capture Actor
Old Snake (Solid Snake) [32]    Akio Ōtsuka    David Hayter    Ryoji Okamoto[32]
Raiden    Kenyū Horiuchi    Quinton Flynn    Takeshi Yoshioka
Eiji Morisaki[32]
Hal "Otacon" Emmerich    Hideyuki Tanaka    Christopher Randolph    Shumei Kawashima[32]
Naomi Hunter    Hiromi Tsuru    Jennifer Hale[32]    Haruna Aimoto[32]
Colonel Roy Campbell    Takeshi Aono    Paul Eiding    Takashi Kubo[32]
Liquid Ocelot    Banjō Ginga    Patric Zimmerman[31]    Taro Kanazawa[32]
Meryl Silverburgh    Kyoko Terase    Debi Mae West[35]    Eriko Hirata[32]
Vamp    Shinya Tsukamoto    Phil LaMarr[31]    Naoki Saito[32]
Mei Ling    Houko Kuwashima    Kim Mai Guest[32]    Yumi Kikuchi[32]
Rosemary    Kikuko Inoue    Jennifer Hale [32]    Haruna Aimoto[32]
Big Mama (EVA)    Mari Natsuki    Lee Meriwether[32]    Mao Yuuki[32]
Screaming Mantis    Mao Yuuki    Andrea Zafra (Normal voice)[32]
Fred Tatasciore (Beast voice)[35]    Mao Yuuki[32]
Crying Wolf    Eriko Hirata    Debra Wilson Skelton (Normal voice)[32]
Fred Tatasciore (Beast voice)[35]    Eriko Hirata[32]
Laughing Octopus    Haruna Aimoto    Paula Tiso (Normal voice)[32]
Fred Tatasciore (Beast voice)[35]    Haruna Aimoto[32]
Raging Raven    Yumi Kikuchi    Nika Futterman (Normal voice)[32]
Fred Tatasciore (Beast voice)[35]    Yumi Kikuchi[32]
Drebin    Keiji Fujiwara    Khary Payton[36]    Takashi Kubo[32]
Sunny    Kikuko Inoue    Christina Puccelli[32]    Yasuyo Nabeshima[32]
Johnny (Akiba)    Jun Fukuyama    Beng Spies[32]    Kazuki Muramatsu
Jonathan    Hideyuki Tanaka    James Sie[32]    Motosada Mori[32]
Ed    Shōzō Iizuka    Dave Fennoy[32]    Shigeyuki Horita[32]
Soldiers    TBA    Richard Steven Horvitz[citation needed]
Roger Craig Smith [37]    TBA
Haven soldiers (FROGS)    TBA    Sarah Sido[citation needed]    TBA

Soundtrack

    Main article: Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (soundtrack)

The score to Metal Gear Solid 4 is being led by Harry Gregson-Williams, his third Metal Gear Solid soundtrack,[38] and Nobuko Toda, who provided music for Metal Gear Acid and Metal Gear Acid 2.[39] Directed by Norihiko Hibino, GEM Impact employees Yoshitaka Suzuki and Takahiro Izutani also made compositions late in the game's production.[40] Other contributors are Konami employees Shuichi Kobori, Kazuma Jinnouchi, Akihiro Honda, and Sota Fujimori.[41]

There are two vocal themes for the game. The opening theme, "Love Theme", is sung by Jackie Presti and composed by Nobuko Toda. The ending theme, "Here's To You", is sung by Lisbeth Scott. Before the release of the game, "MGS4 - Theme of Love - Smash Bros. Brawl Version" was provided for Super Smash Bros. Brawl in the Shadow Moses Island level.[42]

The official soundtrack was released on May 28, 2008 by Konami Digital Entertainment under the catalog number GFCA-98/9.[43] It is comprised of two discs of music and 47 tracks. A soundtrack album will also be packaged with Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Limited Edition.[44]

Marketing

At a press conference on May 13, 2008, Hideo Kojima announced a marketing campaign and agreements with several companies to promote the game. An Apple iPod is an in-game item that Snake can use to change the background music, and collect hidden songs scattered throughout the game. ReGain Energy Drinks are used in the game as a stamina booster, and Sony Ericsson mobile phones are used.[45]

Konami and Ubisoft put an unlockable costume in the game for Snake, Altaïr from the Ubisoft stealth game Assassin's Creed. Initially revealed on April Fool's Day 2008, Kojima later announced that it would actually be in the game, unlockable by doing "something special".[46]

Versions and releases

Limited Edition
The Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of The Patriots limited edition boxart.
The Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of The Patriots limited edition boxart.

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Limited Edition is to be released simultaneously with the game's standard edition, as an enhanced counterpart. The release will contain Guns of the Patriots, a box with artwork by Yoji Shinkawa, a Blu-ray containing two "making of" documentaries, and the game soundtrack. The Limited Editon will be available exclusively at GameStop in the United States and EB Games in Canada,[47] while a similar bundle with an additional 6-inch 'Olive Drab' Old Snake Figurine has been made available at Play.com in the United Kingdom. [48]

Release bundles
The North American boxart for the basic bundle.
The North American boxart for the basic bundle.

In North America, a bundle containing an 80GB PlayStation 3, a DualShock 3 wireless controller, a downloadable game coupon from PSN and a copy of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots will be released for US$499 to coincide with the release of the standalone edition.[49] Japan will see the release of the Guns of the Patriots Welcome Box that contains the game itself, a DualShock 3 controller, and a 40GB PS3 in either black, white or silver.[50]

Sony has also announced a limited editon pre-order bundle containing Guns of the Patriots, a Blu-ray video disc and a matte grey (officially titled Gunmetal Grey) 40GB PlayStation 3. First announced in Japan on March 18, 2008 at a cost of ¥51,800[51] the bundle sold out within six days from March 20 to March 25.[52] An identical bundle was available in North America for pre-order on May 19, 2008 in "very limited" supply for US$600 at Konami's official website.[53]

Metal Gear Online

    Main article: Metal Gear Online

Metal Gear Online is the online component of Metal Gear Solid 4. The game will feature 16-player online stealth battles, encouraging players to engage heavily in teamwork. MGO will be distributed with MGS4 in the form of a starter pack, which will be expanded through downloadable content via the PlayStation Network, potentially for up to 10 years.[54]

The game was in beta testing in Japan from August 20 to September 3, 2007.[55] Around 3,000 people joined the test sessions. US and Canadian customers who pre-order Metal Gear Solid 4 in April will be also included in a further beta test which was due to begin on April 21, 2008, however due to many technical dificulties including a server overload, it was postponed to April 25, 2008 and continued until May 11, 2008, promptly shutting down at midnight PST until its return on June 12 for the world-wide release of MGS4.[7] The beta package obtained from pre-ordering the game also includes a documentary DVD titled "Metal Gear Saga Vol. 2" with an "invite code" inside. A beta was also scheduled to be opened in Europe.[56] On April 11, 2008, Konami announced an open Metal Gear Online beta for Europe and that it would be available for download from April 26 and would be entirely open to everyone who downloaded it until May 11.[57]

Reception

So far, Metal Gear Solid 4 has received only positive reviews. It has been praised for its innovative gameplay design and provocative storyline - The first review being a 10 out of 10 from PlayStation Official Magazine (UK), commenting Metal Gear Solid 4 "shifts gears constantly, innovating again and again".[58] The game has been awarded 5/5 from the Official US PlayStation 3 Magazine and 10/10 from the PSM Italy magazine ".[59][60]. MGS4 has also received a 9.9/10 from UK IGN.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Beezy on May 27, 2008, 11:39:26 PM

Quote from: Gamepro

Final Fantasy 7 transformed the RPG genre.

why does this magazine still exist

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: duckman2000 on May 27, 2008, 11:39:52 PM

It's been getting pretty good reviews so far, eh? Not surprising, I guess, as MGS3 was quite well received. Didn't keep it from sucking balls though.  :(

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 27, 2008, 11:40:25 PM

Quote

Final Fantasy 7 transformed the RPG genre

:bow

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: MCD on May 27, 2008, 11:41:54 PM

so...we will get more shooters?

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 27, 2008, 11:47:03 PM

Exactly what impact will MGS4 have on the industry that is "nothing short of tectonic"? I haven't been keeping track of MGS4 development that closely, so I guess I've missed whatever is it that's supposed to make people say "Wow, nothing like this has ever been done before. This will change everything!"

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: duckman2000 on May 27, 2008, 11:48:58 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 27, 2008, 11:47:03 PM

Exactly what impact will MGS4 have on the industry that is "nothing short of tectonic"? I haven't been keeping track of MGS4 development that closely, so I guess I've missed whatever is it that's supposed to make people say "Wow, nothing like this has ever been done before. This will change everything!"

That's what we're supposed to find out then, isn't it? For all my dislike of this series, I have no problem believing that Kojima and the gang might raise the bar in quite a few areas here.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Mupepe on May 27, 2008, 11:49:46 PM

:bow MGS4 :bow2

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Beezy on May 27, 2008, 11:50:31 PM

Quote from: ParticleReality on May 27, 2008, 11:47:56 PM

Oh and what did FF7 give us exactly? What kind of impact did FF7 have on the RPG world becides making spin-offs and side story milking okay.

FMVs OMG

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: duckman2000 on May 27, 2008, 11:51:16 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on May 27, 2008, 11:49:46 PM

:bow MGS4 :bow2

:piss Metal Gear Solid series :piss2

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 27, 2008, 11:52:19 PM

Quote from: ParticleReality on May 27, 2008, 11:47:56 PM

Who would be stupid enough to take things from MGS4. MGS4 has nothing worth stealing, unless you want to make a game about the color green. Gears will have more of an impact on this gen. It made cover systems almost standard.


Oh and what did FF7 give us exactly? What kind of impact did FF7 have on the RPG world becides making spin-offs and side story milking okay.

bubububub

Gamepro knows whatsup. Don't fight it Particle! THIS GAME WILL BE PERFECTION

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 27, 2008, 11:54:31 PM

Quote from: ParticleReality on May 27, 2008, 11:47:56 PM

Oh and what did FF7 give us exactly? What kind of impact did FF7 have on the RPG world becides making spin-offs and side story milking okay.

Emo/femmy characters, tons of CG, tons of ellipses, ...and so on.

But seriously though, like it or hate it, RPGs did become a lot more mainstream (at least in the US) after Final Fantasy VII. A whole generation of gamers grew up fawning over it.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: FancyFeast on May 27, 2008, 11:55:33 PM

Quote from: Beezy on May 27, 2008, 11:39:26 PM

Quote from: Gamepro

Final Fantasy 7 transformed the RPG genre.

why does this magazine still exist

$$$ hats

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: pilonv1 on May 27, 2008, 11:59:28 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 27, 2008, 11:47:03 PM

Exactly what impact will MGS4 have on the industry that is "nothing short of tectonic"? I haven't been keeping track of MGS4 development that closely, so I guess I've missed whatever is it that's supposed to make people say "Wow, nothing like this has ever been done before. This will change everything!"

I'm thinking the same thing. Games will become unbearable circle jerks for fans of incessant cutscens and limited interactivity?

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 28, 2008, 12:03:55 AM

Let's wait for it to come out before we say it's got nothing going for it but the color green

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: MCD on May 28, 2008, 12:04:36 AM

Quote

More from the Gamepro review:

"[MGS4] sets new standards for graphics,

i stopped there.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: MrAngryFace on May 28, 2008, 12:04:58 AM

Mentioning FF7 is like mentioning the assassination of RFK  :-\

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on May 28, 2008, 12:18:08 AM

Quote from: McDragon on May 27, 2008, 11:41:54 PM

so...we will get more shooters?

20 minute codec segments in every game from now on.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: BamYouHaveAids on May 28, 2008, 12:34:18 AM

are they saying this game dethrones ff7 in the category of bloated cutscenes? that doesn't make sense; mgs2 already did that.

gamepro is behind the curve, and once again fail to give the mgs series the recognition it deserves.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 28, 2008, 12:50:16 AM

Gawd damnit I love this board. Ripping MGS is heresy on GAF.

I hate that fucking series. Most overrated in the history of gaming. When Shane talks about it on 1up Yours I want to slam my Zune to the ground.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 28, 2008, 12:53:00 AM

 :'(

But FFVII/7/Seven

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Bildi on May 28, 2008, 01:14:19 AM

Who would have thought just a month after GTA4 changed the landscape of gaming forever, MGS4 would do the same thing?  Jesus.

I don't hold any particular malice towards MGS, but I have to question anyone who can watch a MGS cutscene with a straight face.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Narag on May 28, 2008, 01:21:16 AM

Quote from: Bildi on May 28, 2008, 01:14:19 AM

Who would have thought just a month after GTA4 changed the landscape of gaming forever, MGS4 would do the same thing?  Jesus.

I don't hold any particular malice towards MGS, but I have to question anyone who can watch a MGS cutscene with a straight face.

I'm that person but its more based in the popcorn entertainment I derive from the games than "Holy shit this is the best story ever. Games as art.  :bow2"

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: BamYouHaveAids on May 28, 2008, 01:28:53 AM

Quote from: siamesedreamer on May 28, 2008, 12:50:16 AM

Gawd damnit I love this board. Ripping MGS is heresy on GAF.

I hate that fucking series. Most overrated in the history of gaming. When Shane talks about it on 1up Yours I want to slam my Zune to the ground.

we're just joking

we all aknowledge that mgs3 is one of the most enjoyable games from the last generation. the only type of people who would say otherwise are criminals, and not the cool kind of criminal that eat people either, but the ones that diddle children and small animals while deficating on themselves.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on May 28, 2008, 01:30:48 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 27, 2008, 11:47:03 PM

Exactly what impact will MGS4 have on the industry that is "nothing short of tectonic"?

(http://www.chefrocker.com/walter/walter26.jpg)
"90 minute cut scenes dude."

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Vyer on May 28, 2008, 01:36:42 AM

I'm sure MGS4 will be a good game.

but

lol gamepro

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: CurseoftheGods on May 28, 2008, 02:07:12 AM

I loathed FFVII, but I can't deny its influence on story-telling, presentation, and cinematics on games of the PS1 era. It might have started with FFIV/FFVI, but Square raised the standards a fair bit higher with FFVII.

Too bad the game's absolute shit now, though.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Kestastrophe on May 28, 2008, 07:20:18 AM

Does this mean that we will see more games with archaic gameplay?

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Powerslave on May 28, 2008, 07:40:40 AM

Quote from: ParticleReality on May 28, 2008, 12:09:36 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 27, 2008, 11:54:31 PM

A whole generation of gamers grew up fawning over it.

A bunch of noobs. My first RPG was Final Fantasy 8, aka the SUPERIOR of the two.

Oh wow. FF8 was your first RPG so it's the best and that's why 7 sucks. Nice one idiot.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: tiesto on May 28, 2008, 07:46:15 AM

FF7 kicked ass, the MGS series were great (especially the first one), and I have faith that Kojima made a fantastic follow-up to the series. It's easily my most wanted PS3 game and I am almost assuredly gonna use my economic stimulus check on a Triple and the game.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Ninja on May 28, 2008, 07:59:57 AM

:bow GAME OF THE FOREVER :bow2

 :bow Kojima :bow2

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 28, 2008, 08:17:41 AM

FF7 :gloomy
FF8 8)
FF9 ???

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 28, 2008, 08:26:58 AM

more like

FF10 :dur
FF11 :tomato
FF12 :wag

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 28, 2008, 08:31:33 AM

it's good, but I went with the "narrowly dodged a bullet" icon as I managed to avoid being sucked into FFXI ;)

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Pharmacy on May 28, 2008, 08:47:10 AM

FF8 and 9 and X and X-2  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :P :P :P :dur :dur :dur :pimp :pimp :pimp :pimp :pimp :pimp


also mgs4 is gonna be fucking awesome, its gonna be the first mgs ill ever play

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Grecco on May 28, 2008, 09:41:23 AM

After the distinguished mentally-challenged that is GTA4. The Bullshit signal lights up when i see exagerated hyperbole in reviews. Is this game "oscar worthy too?

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Draft on May 28, 2008, 10:03:47 AM

Quote from: Grecco on May 28, 2008, 09:41:23 AM

After the distinguished mentally-challenged that is GTA4. The Bullshit signal lights up when i see exagerated hyperbole in reviews. Is this game "oscar worthy too?

Yes, of course.

The GTA reviews were a product of hype and manipulation by Take Two/Rockstar.

But these MGS reviews, they are the real deal.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Mupepe on May 28, 2008, 10:17:50 AM

MGS4 will own all of you and you will all be crying like little ninny baby fat faces but instead of sucking on a teat, you'll be at the tip of a huge schlong waiting for the sperm to fill your tiny little mouth

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 10:29:24 AM

Quote from: Draft on May 28, 2008, 10:03:47 AM

Quote from: Grecco on May 28, 2008, 09:41:23 AM

After the distinguished mentally-challenged that is GTA4. The Bullshit signal lights up when i see exagerated hyperbole in reviews. Is this game "oscar worthy too?

Yes, of course.

The GTA reviews were a product of hype and manipulation by Take Two/Rockstar.

But these MGS reviews, they are the real deal.

More predictably, the GTA 4 spectacle has received nearly no attention here. Leave it to the PS3 exclusive to get the debate rolling on Evilbore.

Quote from: mojovonio on May 28, 2008, 07:58:39 AM

I can't wait for the game, but a 5/5 in Gamepro is just as good as a 5/5 in Maxim.

Personally, I can't find much reason to respect, let alone put faith in, reviews from any current magazine or site. Gamepro seems no more or less credible than people from any other magazine, which is to say that the magazine seems rather not credible. If they aren't on the take, they are fanboys who revel in this shred of power, likely the first such encountered in their comical lives, that their little buyer's guides ego pieces award them. And more often than not, reviewers are as prone to getting onboard the hype- or hate-trains as their readers. And then you have the odd site that publishes blatantly false information, which really shits on the buyer's guide concept.

Common to all types is that they stupidly venture into commenting on features that they are most certainly not fit or trained to really comment on. It's popular to say that the increased sophistication of technology and game design has made this or that developer fall behind, but it should probably be said more often of game critics. Multiple textures, eh, Duhglass C Perry?

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Mupepe on May 28, 2008, 10:37:38 AM

Quote from: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 10:29:24 AM

Quote from: Draft on May 28, 2008, 10:03:47 AM

Quote from: Grecco on May 28, 2008, 09:41:23 AM

After the distinguished mentally-challenged that is GTA4. The Bullshit signal lights up when i see exagerated hyperbole in reviews. Is this game "oscar worthy too?

Yes, of course.

The GTA reviews were a product of hype and manipulation by Take Two/Rockstar.

But these MGS reviews, they are the real deal.

More predictably, the GTA 4 spectacle has received nearly no attention here. Leave it to the PS3 exclusive to get the debate rolling on Evilbore.

You didn't read the GTA IV gameplay thread did you?  Tons of hate.  Hell, read any GTA thread here

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 10:42:08 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on May 28, 2008, 10:37:38 AM

You didn't read the GTA IV gameplay thread did you?  Tons of hate.  Hell, read any GTA thread here

Hate, yes. And I was in on that because, hey, it deserves the hate. But I don't recall seeing people pick up on the conspiracy theories much, something that seems to be changing now with MGS4. Unsurprisingly.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Mupepe on May 28, 2008, 10:45:01 AM

conspiracy theories?  granted, i only skimmed over this thread, but what are people suggesting?

either way, you fucks are going to be owned when mgs4 rocks your fucking faces

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Draft on May 28, 2008, 10:48:41 AM

Quote from: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 10:42:08 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on May 28, 2008, 10:37:38 AM

You didn't read the GTA IV gameplay thread did you?  Tons of hate.  Hell, read any GTA thread here

Hate, yes. And I was in on that because, hey, it deserves the hate. But I don't recall seeing people pick up on the conspiracy theories much, something that seems to be changing now with MGS4. Unsurprisingly.

Conspiracy theories about reviews are the ramblings of insane shut ins.

The only amusement available is people who cry bloody murder at review A and then sticky up their shorts over review B. And even then, the laugh factor is low.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Rman on May 28, 2008, 11:01:16 AM

I love MGS, but gameplay wise the series has always been very clunky.  Remember the chore it was to change camo in MGS3?  I really hope they streamline the controls, but the MGO beta controls, which are apparently identical to MGS4, were awkward.  Nevertheless, I'm really looking to forward to this game.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: MrAngryFace on May 28, 2008, 11:03:56 AM

MGS is boring. I find the plots and intrigue absolutely distinguished mentally-challenged. I'd probably see the hilarious absurdity of the story that everyone else sees if maybe the gameplay wasnt so broken.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 28, 2008, 11:10:06 AM

Quote from: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 10:29:24 AM

Quote from: Draft on May 28, 2008, 10:03:47 AM

Quote from: Grecco on May 28, 2008, 09:41:23 AM

After the distinguished mentally-challenged that is GTA4. The Bullshit signal lights up when i see exagerated hyperbole in reviews. Is this game "oscar worthy too?

Yes, of course.

The GTA reviews were a product of hype and manipulation by Take Two/Rockstar.

But these MGS reviews, they are the real deal.

More predictably, the GTA 4 spectacle has received nearly no attention here. Leave it to the PS3 exclusive to get the debate rolling on Evilbore.

Are you fucking joking? :rofl

There were at least two full threads dedicated to its ridiculous placement on the GameRankings charts, and plenty of bitching in the other 50 GTA threads too.


edit - did anyone but Boris even plainly state that this was Sony's doing?

And GTA4 is brought up by Grecco right at the top of the page :lol

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Kestastrophe on May 28, 2008, 11:14:48 AM

Quote from: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 10:42:08 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on May 28, 2008, 10:37:38 AM

You didn't read the GTA IV gameplay thread did you?  Tons of hate.  Hell, read any GTA thread here

Hate, yes. And I was in on that because, hey, it deserves the hate. But I don't recall seeing people pick up on the conspiracy theories much, something that seems to be changing now with MGS4. Unsurprisingly.

The only conspiracy theories that I've seen on this site have been in jest.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 11:28:08 AM

There are primarily three things that has made MGS inaccessible for me. First and foremost, it's too self-referential and communicates far too much awareness of that it is, in fact, a game. The camouflage stuff in MGS3, while appreciated by apparently lots of people, felt like such a gamey thing that I actually stopped myself from changing my outfit, at least within a single environment. Second, the gameplay just doesn't feel right, and if MGO is any indication, that hasn't improved much. For all his CQC moves, it just doesn't mesh. Compared to Splinter Cell, Sam's hand to hand combat ineptitude be damned, it feels unnatural.

And then you have the fucking story, and the miserable story telling. I can deal with bizarre, if the storytelling is there. Which in the case of MGS, it just plain isn't. And having suffered through about 50% of The Twilight Princess, I'm starting to think that it's a problem with Japanese storytelling in general, and that fans of the MGS story are all-out or closet Japfags who have slogged through basic training in deciphering shit storytelling just so that they can enjoy idiotic stories as they were meant to be enjoyed.

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on May 28, 2008, 11:10:06 AM

edit - did anyone but Boris even plainly state that this was Sony's doing?

And GTA4 is brought up by Grecco right at the top of the page :lol

Borys is the non-Xbox owning spokesperson for all of the xtards on Evilbore though.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 28, 2008, 11:32:33 AM

You're right, he's out there, which only proves that the whole site didn't undergo the radical shift you're trying to call it out on.

Everyone knew the GTA reviews were hype-fueled and dev-influence-fueled, and it's been repeated ad nauseum. MGS4 has gotten off easy compared to GTA.

"It's hideous"
"It's  blurry"
"It's an HD PS2 game"
"Stiff archaic gameplay"
"Totally broken and dull to play"
"No end to cutscenes"
"story and characters suck shit"
"10/10 WTF this game is a total piece of shit with no redeeming value"
"#1 on gamerankings? look at all the Take Two ads"

Common GTA comments. Common MGS comments.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 28, 2008, 11:51:54 AM

It's on now :hyper

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 11:52:35 AM

Quote from: Borys on May 28, 2008, 11:47:22 AM

Quote from: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 11:28:08 AM

Borys is the non-Xbox owning spokesperson for all of the xtards on Evilbore though.

Give me a fucking break.

I own PS2 and around 12 games. I own countless PSX games.
Xbox killed PC gaming as we know it. I'll NEVER forgive Microsoft that.

I want a PS3 to play FF13 and GoW3 badly.

And you call me an Xbot? Sony troll?

Give me a fucking break Andrews.

Why so serious? :wtf
I'm well aware of your history with consoles, but as the conscious of Evilbore, you are the primary Xtard spokesperson. Whether you own, or like, the console or not.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Beezy on May 28, 2008, 11:57:52 AM

I don't understand how people can complain about MGS gameplay and then sit through a GTA game which has shitty ass gameplay that hasn't changed since GTA3.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Kestastrophe on May 28, 2008, 12:00:54 PM

Quote from: Beezy on May 28, 2008, 11:57:52 AM

I don't understand how people can complain about MGS gameplay and then sit through a GTA game which has shitty ass gameplay that hasn't changed since GTA3.

I think that combat in GTA IV is marginally improved, but I agree with your sentiment. Both have had little to no gameplay progression through the course of several sequels and console generations.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: hyp on May 28, 2008, 12:02:29 PM

i find GTA to be more fun than the MGS series.  but that's just me.   ???

nonetheless, i've got my MGS4 preordered, this game better blow my nuts off! :rock

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 12:31:50 PM

Quote from: Borys on May 28, 2008, 11:58:37 AM

Quote from: AA

I'm well aware of your history with consoles, but as the conscious of Evilbore, you are the primary Xtard spokesperson. Whether you own, or like, the console or not.

This is fucking bullshit. MrSingh? dcharlie? I don't even post in 75% of Xbox 360 threads caue I DO NOT CARE. I do not even *want* a 360 (except for the jRPG games :heartbeat). Come on, buy me a 360 and ship it to me I dare you. I'll burn the fucking thing and post a video here. I double-fucking dare you.

The absolutely most insane thing here is that you're actually bothering with sulfur-fueled responses to what anyone familiar with you should know is a matter of someone pushing just the right buttons. C'mon now.  :lol

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Kyle on May 28, 2008, 12:47:42 PM

bu bu beee booo sony destroyed sega dreamcast
bu bu bee booo MS destroyed pc gaming

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 01:26:10 PM

Quote from: mojovonio on May 28, 2008, 12:50:40 PM

AA, what you need to understand is that this isn't GAF. If someone here trolls Sony, i'd say 80% of it is mockingly. On GAF, people like Mabuza actually have an unhealthy love for sony, and they're not just fucking around when they troll anything on the 360 and worship anything on the PS3.

I've seen quite a bit of MS complaining on these boards too.

Well, quite a few of the people who are regularly griped about for their supposed hard-headed Sony fandom view message boards as "ARGs", and play their characters. Sort of like a shitload of people who post here, and as with any designed character, the one-sidedness wears thin. Which pushes them to go all in and really become the psycho barnacleheads they have been playing, chill a bit, or spread the love hate evenly.

People should be more like me, really.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 28, 2008, 01:30:30 PM

dcharlie is the xfag emperor

:bow :bow :bow with dcharlie are all truths revealed :bow2 :bow2 :bow2

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 01:35:24 PM

Meh, I've seen more decent game discussion go on here than on most other boards. "Serious" really is relative. NeoGAF certainly allows one to seriously discuss if Liquids arm gives Ocelot superior masturbation powers, that doesn't make it good discussion. If you can look past the characters a bit (and ignore some), this place is alright.

And where else could one accuse an Xbox hater of being an Xbot spokesperson and get a serious response? It really doesn't get more serious than that.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 28, 2008, 01:39:42 PM

Dude, I made an entire thread about whether or not doing review gameplay runs on publisher's turf or with developers is ethical in regards to Grand Theft Auto 4.  Stop wah-wah'ing.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 01:41:40 PM

Why was it in regards to GTA4 though? That seems to happen with every "high profile" game these days. I think the reviews of Halo 2 pretty much made it clear that the controlled review sessions made for some dodgy ass reviews.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: tiesto on May 28, 2008, 01:42:46 PM

Quote from: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 11:28:08 AM

And then you have the fucking story, and the miserable story telling. I can deal with bizarre, if the storytelling is there. Which in the case of MGS, it just plain isn't. And having suffered through about 50% of The Twilight Princess, I'm starting to think that it's a problem with Japanese storytelling in general, and that fans of the MGS story are all-out or closet Japfags who have slogged through basic training in deciphering shit storytelling just so that they can enjoy idiotic stories as they were meant to be enjoyed.

Hmm, I personally think the ridiculous, over-the-top, meandering and confusing storylines are the best thing about the MGS series... truthfully though, only the second game had this... the first and the third game's plotline was mostly straightforward.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Draft on May 28, 2008, 01:48:59 PM

Borys' hatred of the Xbox was legendary on Evil Avatar.

LEGENDARY.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 28, 2008, 01:50:49 PM

Quote from: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 01:41:40 PM

Why was it in regards to GTA4 though? That seems to happen with every "high profile" game these days. I think the reviews of Halo 2 pretty much made it clear that the controlled review sessions made for some dodgy ass reviews.

It was in regards to GTA4 because unlike Halo 3 and the like, which have bloated scores, this was getting perfect scores.  The discussion was about the general practice, though.

Point being, stop wah-wah'ing that folks here are irate that MGS4 seems to be getting the same treatment and the community stood idly by as GTA4 got perfect score after perfect score.  I dare say that GTA4 is probably less liked by the community at large than MGS4.

All the 'bore is about is dogging sacred cows.  Don't get your panties in a bunch when it's yours.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 01:58:02 PM

I thought it was established though that the reviews are generally not from a studio playthrough? Maybe it was just 1up, but none of the people who played it during the invitational event are actually reviewing the game, for that reason. I was under the impression that it was a mandate, but maybe that's incorrect.

Whatever though, MGS4 is anything but a "sacred cow" to me.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Powerslave on May 28, 2008, 02:07:20 PM

stop wah-wah'ing faggit

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 28, 2008, 02:08:11 PM

so does mgs4 change the face of gaming more than wii fit?

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Beezy on May 28, 2008, 02:18:06 PM

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 28, 2008, 02:08:43 PM

:piss GTA4 :piss2

My worst videogame purchase ever. :'(

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Pharmacy on May 28, 2008, 02:35:25 PM

Quote from: Beezy on May 28, 2008, 02:18:06 PM

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 28, 2008, 02:08:43 PM

:piss GTA4 :piss2

My worst videogame purchase ever. :'(

agreed 10000000000000 times over

FUCK GTA4

GTA3 FOR LIFE N*****

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 28, 2008, 03:41:43 PM

Quote

Oh and what did FF7 give us exactly? What kind of impact did FF7 have on the RPG world becides making spin-offs and side story milking okay.

For better or worse, it was the first really large-scale production RPG.  Not only the graphics, but the design team (there were like 20 designers involved) and everything else.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: WrikaWrek on May 28, 2008, 03:47:59 PM

I'm a huge Mgs fan.

But i can't help but smell BS on the impact that MGS4 might have on gaming, specially when what we see from MGS4, is a iteration in a big franchise that has suffered an impact from other games.

You see the gameplay, it's all influenced by other games. So i'm really, at least not right now, seeing the "whole impact" that MGS4 might have on gaming, and it all sounds like hyperbole Bs.

But i'm waiting to be surprised.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on May 28, 2008, 03:49:03 PM

Has any MGS game really had much of an impact on gaming, aside from inspiring an assload of stealth action clones?

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: WrikaWrek on May 28, 2008, 03:52:17 PM

I think MGs1 had a big impact. It introduced stealth to consoles at least, i don't know when Thief came out.

And it was the 1st game that brought a new kind of entertainment to consoles at least, and i think gaming overall, with that i mean cinematic entertainment. It was the 1st game that made you feel you were inside a movie.

So yes, MGs1 in my opinion had a big impact on gaming. The rest of the Solid franchise hasn't though, and i fail to see how MGS4, a game changed to be like others, is gonna be any different.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: WrikaWrek on May 28, 2008, 04:01:44 PM

Quote from: mojovonio on May 28, 2008, 03:52:50 PM

lol WrikaWreck is here.

I got banned for making a joke on the Bioshock thread. A joke....a harmless joke. I guess the mod was looking for blood after those haze news.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 04:43:25 PM

WrikaWrek is here? I'm out.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Kestastrophe on May 28, 2008, 04:51:39 PM

Quote from: WrikaWrek on May 28, 2008, 04:01:44 PM

Quote from: mojovonio on May 28, 2008, 03:52:50 PM

lol WrikaWreck is here.

I got banned for making a joke on the Bioshock thread. A joke....a harmless joke. I guess the mod was looking for blood after those haze news.

In slightly related news, I got unbanned today after a month. YAY!!

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: demi on May 28, 2008, 04:53:56 PM

:lol fuck you guys, i dont even know who this wrikawrek guy is. he can stay.

:btw mgs4 will be shit, mark it

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 04:56:34 PM

Quote from: demi on May 28, 2008, 04:53:56 PM

:lol fuck you guys, i dont even know who this wrikawrek guy is. he can stay.

:btw mgs4 will be shit, mark it

He's like an Xtardy version of SolidSnakex Dante, only more annoying and a good measure more daft.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Oblivion on May 28, 2008, 05:09:09 PM

Quote from: Borys on May 28, 2008, 11:47:22 AM

Quote from: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 11:28:08 AM

Borys is the non-Xbox owning spokesperson for all of the xtards on Evilbore though.

Xbox killed PC gaming as we know it. I'll NEVER forgive Microsoft that.

What? Is that the reason you hate MS? Seriously?

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: BamYouHaveAids on May 28, 2008, 05:09:32 PM

all we need is skilloton and deepblue and we can have ourselves a party :hyper

where have y2kev and drohne gone? did they stop posting here?

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Pharmacy on May 28, 2008, 05:10:47 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on May 28, 2008, 05:09:09 PM

Quote from: Borys on May 28, 2008, 11:47:22 AM

Quote from: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 11:28:08 AM

Borys is the non-Xbox owning spokesperson for all of the xtards on Evilbore though.

Xbox killed PC gaming as we know it. I'll NEVER forgive Microsoft that.

What? Is that the reason you hate MS? Seriously?

well xbox killed pc gaming

and pc gaming is the best type of gaming

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Oblivion on May 28, 2008, 05:15:13 PM

Quote from: BamYouHaveAids on May 28, 2008, 05:09:32 PM

all we need is skilloton and deepblue and we can have ourselves a party :hyper

where have y2kev and drohne gone? did they stop posting here?

I saw y2kev post the other day. drohne placed himself in a self imposed interweb exile, sadly.  :'(

Quote from: Pharmacy on May 28, 2008, 05:10:47 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on May 28, 2008, 05:09:09 PM

Quote from: Borys on May 28, 2008, 11:47:22 AM

Quote from: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 11:28:08 AM

Borys is the non-Xbox owning spokesperson for all of the xtards on Evilbore though.

Xbox killed PC gaming as we know it. I'll NEVER forgive Microsoft that.

What? Is that the reason you hate MS? Seriously?

well xbox killed pc gaming

and pc gaming is the best type of gaming

Admittedly, I haven't really ever paid too much attention on the PC side of things, but how exactly did they do that?

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Pharmacy on May 28, 2008, 05:24:49 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on May 28, 2008, 05:15:13 PM

Admittedly, I haven't really ever paid too much attention on the PC side of things, but how exactly did they do that?

cos microsoft built the xbox as a watered down pc, which basically ruined the pc market

now the 360 is here, they did the same thing, watered down pc etc

i dunno let borys explain, ive only got a generally idea

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 05:28:12 PM

I'm certainly more angry at PC gamers than anyone else at this point. Most of the people I know who play PC games have done so without actually paying for the games. They can drop $500 on a video card to play Crysis, but the game itself, that has to be free or they won't play it. Worse yet is that some of these cunts are so ignorant that they from time to time go into rants about the miserable state of PC gaming, and wonder aloud why developers have abandoned the platform.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Pharmacy on May 28, 2008, 05:30:03 PM

Quote from: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 05:28:12 PM

I'm certainly more angry at PC gamers than anyone else at this point. Most of the people I know who play PC games have done so without actually paying for the games. They can drop $500 on a video card to play Crysis, but the game itself, that has to be free or they won't play it. Worse yet is that some of these cunts are so ignorant that they from time to time go into rants about the miserable state of PC gaming, and wonder aloud why developers have abandoned the platform.

yeah, to be fair if i bought a new rig id end up doing this as well :\

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: WrikaWrek on May 28, 2008, 05:49:17 PM

Quote from: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 04:56:34 PM

Quote from: demi on May 28, 2008, 04:53:56 PM

:lol fuck you guys, i dont even know who this wrikawrek guy is. he can stay.

:btw mgs4 will be shit, mark it

He's like an Xtardy version of SolidSnakex Dante, only more annoying and a good measure more daft.

Hardly.

I trash the Ps3/360 in equal amounts. It's just that Ps3 fanboys generally respond with tears over at Gaf, while 360 fans actually argue with me you know? They actually take my opinion for what it is.

It's funny, i have some Ps3 fans on my Psn friends list, and at the beginning they thought i just hated on Ps3 related stuff till they realized that it was different, i was pretty harsh on the 360 too.

But there's something about most Ps3 fanboys on gaf at least, that they can't take any kind of shit, while at the sametime they only give shit. Never saw so much irony in one forum.

That's the Reason why i was posting less and less on the gaming side, unfortunately, i happened to drop a harmless joke at a bad time. :( And i was having a blast in the OT too, specially with the Football (soccer) crowd. Goddamn mod had to spill blood.

Heck i spend 80% of my gaming time on the Ps3 these days.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: MCD on May 28, 2008, 06:07:03 PM

Quote from: BamYouHaveAids on May 28, 2008, 05:09:32 PM

all we need is skilloton and deepblue and we can have ourselves a party :hyper

where have y2kev and drohne gone? did they stop posting here?

kev stopped posting here for god knows why.

drohne is taking a vacation from the internet.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Oblivion on May 28, 2008, 06:28:35 PM

Quote from: Borys on May 28, 2008, 05:17:11 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on May 28, 2008, 05:09:09 PM

Quote from: Borys on May 28, 2008, 11:47:22 AM

Quote from: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 11:28:08 AM

Borys is the non-Xbox owning spokesperson for all of the xtards on Evilbore though.

Xbox killed PC gaming as we know it. I'll NEVER forgive Microsoft that.

What? Is that the reason you hate MS? Seriously?

2001 grudge burns to this very day

Right, but how exactly did they do that? And is there actual proof or just conjecture?

Sorry, this reminds me a lot of something like Dragona's vendetta against Miyamoto for supposedly breaking up the Metroid Team or some shit. :lol

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: bud on May 28, 2008, 07:28:08 PM

:bow 2 weeks left :bow2
:bow mgs4 :bow2
:bow kojipro :bow2

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Draft on May 28, 2008, 08:15:35 PM

Borys' hatred of the Xbox is irrational and childish, but pure.

btw: I can already feel myself prepping to enjoy MGS4 a lot but to make an awful lot of fun of the story.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 09:46:32 PM

Quote from: dcharlie on May 28, 2008, 08:52:53 PM

Quote

But there's something about most Ps3 fanboys on gaf at least, that they can't take any kind of shit, while at the sametime they only give shit. Never saw so much irony in one forum.

this.

they have nothing beyond "you are an xbot!"

there's not a single character amongst them , perhaps Wollan, Faf and Pana was always excellent for a proper debate, but i think we've knocked the edges off him a bit! haha. 

Now now, lectures on how to take things in stride with the top on would seem like rather a poor fit for anyone who has had to migrate to another forum in order to spew out excess bile (as well as finally get to loudly admit bias), and gain some perspective. Yes, I'm well aware that this includes me as well. I'm not going to argue that there aren't royal nutcases on the PS3 end of things, but that's hardly exclusive to that side. Neither is the victim complex exclusive to the xtard side, although recently it has certainly seemed to tip in favor of our festive Xs.

Speaking of which though, has anyone invited Busty here? He's always seemed like one of the more likable stards.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: WrikaWrek on May 28, 2008, 10:04:02 PM

Ok so here's what.

We have Nib making up threads after threads about GT 360 bias and shit, doesn't get banned.

I made a thread about a Sony released statement, made no comments whatsoever, what happens? I get called by a bunch of insecure Ps3 fanboys, and end up being banned for trying to hard. Wow

Meanwhile, nib over there is being an hypocrite, damage controlling, definitely trying too hard to defend a Ps3 exclusive, in the Haze thread, what happens? Nothing.

But sure, Crushed got banned for defending Banjo(I don't like how banjo looks too but cmon, wtf was that). But hey, mods were trashing banjo, shit mods were trashing too human at the same time too, it was a party in that place.

And what's up with that shit back a few months ago when i got banned for defending Assassins Creed in its own official thread, while Folus, who was trolling Assassins Creed didn't. Why can Folus and Dante stealth troll every 360 game, yet nobody can say shit.

Why is it that 360 threads get trolled like shit, yet, that Mod Jim, with his snakified avatar makes his presence felt instantly in Ps3 threads?

Dude not so long ago if you saw someone making a 360 game > Ps3 game post, with pics, he would get insta ban, in the meanwhile you would get every 360 thread filled with Uncharted pictures. That was ok.

Wollan draws some comics (funny, sure), man it's comedy gold, you have Ps3 fans cheering and shit, it's amazing, bla bla bla, shogmaster or whatever draws a comic and suddenly everybody gets all serious.

Whatever, the gaming side over there is a piece of shit, and they got lucky they caught me that time, 2 times in a row i get banned for no valid reason, i almost stopped posting there, i just hang around in the OT.

Evilbore seems like a place where people can spit out the truth at least, a le fucking luia. Lets keep it real, fuck that fake shit that goes on at GAF gaming side.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: MCD on May 28, 2008, 10:05:05 PM

take this shit to the outside thread.

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=6017.0

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: WrikaWrek on May 28, 2008, 10:06:42 PM

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 28, 2008, 10:05:33 PM

why shouldn't mods (or anyone) trash Too Human  ???

Dude it's ok to trash a game that looks bad to you. It's not ok to post 20 times saying how trashy it looks to you.

If i said the game looked amazing 20 times in the same thread, i would get banned.

Quote from: McDragon on May 28, 2008, 10:05:05 PM

take this shit to the outside thread.

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=6017.0

Tru dat. Sorry for the off topic.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Trent Dole on May 28, 2008, 10:19:30 PM

lol, Gamepro.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: MCD on May 28, 2008, 10:26:08 PM

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 28, 2008, 10:05:33 PM

why shouldn't mods (or anyone) trash Too Human  ???

(or Banjo for that matter)

stealth edit  :punch

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: MCD on May 28, 2008, 10:30:00 PM

 :lol

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: crimsondynamics on May 28, 2008, 10:44:42 PM

Quote from: duckman2000 on May 28, 2008, 05:28:12 PM

I'm certainly more angry at PC gamers than anyone else at this point. Most of the people I know who play PC games have done so without actually paying for the games. They can drop $500 on a video card to play Crysis, but the game itself, that has to be free or they won't play it. Worse yet is that some of these cunts are so ignorant that they from time to time go into rants about the miserable state of PC gaming, and wonder aloud why developers have abandoned the platform.

You would be shocked at how things are where I live (Asia):

Stores sell you modded Wiis as a first option.
Stores sell you modded PS2s as a first option.
Stores sell you modded Xboxes as a first option.
Stores sell you modded Xbox 360s as a first option.
Stores sell you modded PSPs as a first option.
Stores sell you modded NDSs as a first option.

They are expecting you to buy the modded version. These are perfectly legit game shops that completely pass under the radar even when customs officers raid the malls where these stores are located.

You want to know why the Gamecube sold so poorly over here when the console launched? It was a bitch to pirate the games (at least initially).
You want to know why the PS3 is selling so poorly over here? You can't pirate the games.

I'll tell you what: people look at me funny when I say I want to buy Mario Kart Wii. "Just download it!" is what I hear. I'm blowing my money. This is from a guy in the office that has a hard drive with a little over 900 NDS roms on it.

The mainboard on my Wii burned out due to a short-circuit through no fault of the console. So here I am trying to repair it, and this other guy from the office tells me to not bother with replacing the mainboard when it costs 3/4 the price of a brand new Wii (I just want my saved games). "Just get a Wii and mod it, buy a few pirated games and you've recouped your investment." This is the same guy who goes every weekend to China and picks up a Wii game for five RMB - that's 65 cents. He gets bundled PSP CDs that come with assorted games for the same price.

All my recent PC games are purchased either off Steam or Direct2Drive. And honestly, when you have deals like the EIDOS pack or The Orange Box, there is really little incentive to pirate; the games come out for less than 10 bucks at times (by comparison, a pirated game here will sell for about 4USD, but by the time you factor in transportation and time it ends up costing about the same as "going legit"). Games don't cost that much on the PC. There are even free games to the caliber of Hitman, SC:CT or Far Cry if you are willing to put up with advertisements or being able to play the game for a limited period of time (not time-trials; you play the full game via a service, but you only have 1-2 months to play it). That, and abandonware: I just downloaded about 1,000 abandonware games via torrent; while 90% of those may be absolute shite or may not hold up well with time, I'll still have 100 free, legit games that I can play.

Besides, there is nothing wrong with the state of PC gaming. It's just going through its phase again, like a menstrual cycle. Every time a console cycle launches, there is this initial push by gamers to buy the latest consoles. The media goes into a frenzy, and euphoric gamers rush to buy the latest (pirated) games. Then in mid-cycle, the PC comes back with a vengeance.

It's been this way ever since the SNES days. Fact is, piracy has been rampant on both console and PC gaming since I can remember, and believe me, having lived in Asia for the greater part of my life, I've seen all there is to see about piracy - and then some. I'd even argue that piracy on consoles is much higher than it is with PC gaming, because most console gamers here will pirate console games, while PC users (not gamers) are not all into gaming, and may only pirate operating systems or applications.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: duckman2000 on May 29, 2008, 01:11:56 PM

Actually, that does sort of remind me of the homeland. I jokingly said to a friend here that the PS3 would never take off over there unless it becomes easy to play pirated games on the system, but really, it's not all that far fetched of a joke. Most of the people I knew who owned Playstation 1s back in the day had massive collections of mostly pirated games. The whole culture there is sort of weird, as piracy is considered pretty much alright. Hell, there are even pro-piracy organizations, although of course they consider themselves spokespeople for the "Information is Free" movement. Now, if it was only free to actually develop the products they want for free, eh?

On an MGS4 note, the game might be shit, but the soundtrack appears to be amazing. That should cushion the blow of buying the LE for an undesirable game.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: duckman2000 on May 29, 2008, 03:48:11 PM

Quote from: dcharlie on May 29, 2008, 02:36:58 PM

Quote

why shouldn't mods (or anyone) trash Too Human

all bets were off when people shit the bed over Turok.

You know, I can understand Bish being touchy about blatant trolling, but I thought it was pretty lame that he dodged some pretty reasonable questions. I believe one of my questions was in regards to the decidedly outdated view bob, asking if the retail version would allow you to turn it off, and instead of responding to those types of questions, the focus was all on griping about people trolling the game. That was pretty disappointing.

But, the victim deal among Xtards is becoming unbearable. Yes, Too Human gets trolled, lots. It also receives valid criticism, but that's of course viewed as trolling too. But then so did Haze, didn't it? And that was open for free trolling before gameplay impressions had actually come in. Of course, some games are off-limits, but then that's true for Xbox titles as well. I saw plenty of people receive long bans for dogging on the early media of Halo 3, with Bish being the frontrunner among the mods that actively searched out Halo 3 trolls. So really, it's not as one-sided as the various camps would like people to believe. And getting upset over supposed unfair treatment doesn't exactly mesh with claims of that particular fanbase somehow having a tougher skin.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 29, 2008, 04:42:10 PM

Is it true that MGS4 has like, 3 90min cutscenes?

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: MCD on May 29, 2008, 04:43:17 PM

i heard it's 60 and probably just the ending.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 29, 2008, 04:44:11 PM

Quote from: McDragon on May 29, 2008, 04:43:17 PM

i heard it's 60 and probably just the ending.

Yeah, the U.S. OPM's review mentions an hour-long endgame cutscene.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 29, 2008, 04:45:00 PM

Quote from: McDragon on May 29, 2008, 04:43:17 PM

i heard it's 60 and probably just the ending.

:drool :omg

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: WrikaWrek on May 29, 2008, 05:18:26 PM

A 60 minute cut scene?

What the fuck.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 29, 2008, 06:20:44 PM

Fuck The Dark Knight, MGS4 coming to a 65" HDTV near you :bow

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: MCD on May 29, 2008, 06:22:06 PM

nice poster btw.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Draft on May 29, 2008, 09:21:04 PM

one dude that was banned for burning Turok nailed the sickest troll of all time. It was incredible. It was about the PS3 version and he asked if it would run on 40gb PS3s  :lol

Both X and Sfags are unbearable nowadays. On GAF at least. I much prefer the tone of a place like OA where these morons can be the ignorant shitheads they so desperately want to. More entertaining and pure than the mewling appeals to authority.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: MCD on May 29, 2008, 09:22:40 PM

it was AdmiralViscen.

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Draft on May 29, 2008, 09:24:06 PM

Quote from: McDragon on May 29, 2008, 09:22:40 PM

it was AdmiralViscen.

:bow :bow2

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Beezy on May 29, 2008, 09:46:29 PM

Quote from: Draft on May 29, 2008, 09:21:04 PM

one dude that was banned for burning Turok nailed the sickest troll of all time. It was incredible. It was about the PS3 version and he asked if it would run on 40gb PS3s  :lol

I don't get it...

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: MCD on May 29, 2008, 09:48:43 PM

hint: what doesn't run on the 40gig?

Title: Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
Post by: Beezy on May 29, 2008, 09:51:57 PM

Okay now I get it. :lol

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 30, 2008, 03:38:18 AM

IGN UK rated it 9.9 out of 10

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/877/877611p1.html

:omg

"BEST BOSS BATTLES YET"

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: MCD on May 30, 2008, 03:39:05 AM

as good as jade empire!

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 30, 2008, 03:39:28 AM

;________________________________________________________;

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 30, 2008, 03:49:36 AM

endings for long adventure/RPG games OUGHT TO be at least a half hour long, I get v. cranky when they're not :punch

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Vizzys on May 30, 2008, 03:50:37 AM

Quote

One of those things that Konami doesn't want us to talk about is the 'total length of cut-scenes'. Hopefully it won't be bending the rules to far to reveal that they represent about half of the content of the game. That, for some people, will be too much to bear.

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 30, 2008, 03:53:16 AM

*waits for glorious backlash*

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 30, 2008, 04:01:07 AM

uh-oh

Quote

large and relevant themes, from post-traumatic stress to global warming.

Kojima had a blog entry a couple years back in which he recounted reading Crichton's "State of Fear" and being super-impressed and convinced by it  :-X  :-X  :-X

we can only hope he's changed his mind since then and MGS4 won't devolve into denialist propaganda  :-X

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Tieno on May 30, 2008, 04:04:53 AM

Here's a good OP, it was a lot of work so no complaining.

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
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Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

The North American box art for Guns of the Patriots.
Developer(s)    Kojima Productions
Publisher(s)    Konami
Designer(s)    Hideo Kojima (producer, director, writer)
Shuyo Murata (director, writer)
Kenichiro Imaizumi (producer)
Yoji Shinkawa (director, character designer)
Series    Metal Gear
Platform(s)    PlayStation 3
Release date    June 12, 2008[1]
Genre(s)    Stealth Action
Mode(s)    Single player
Rating(s)    ESRB: M (Mature)[2]
BBFC: 15[3]
CERO: D
OFLC (AU): MA 15+[4]
OFLC (NZ): R16
Media    Blu-Ray-DL Disc
Input methods    DualShock 3 / Sixaxis

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (commonly abbreviated to MGS4) is an upcoming stealth action video game in the popular Metal Gear series. Directed by Hideo Kojima, Shuyo Murata and Yoji Shinkawa, Guns of the Patriots is currently being developed by Kojima Productions exclusively[5] for the PlayStation 3 video game console. The game is being designed around the motto, "No Place to Hide!" and will be the last Metal Gear game developed by Hideo Kojima, and the last game in the series starring Solid Snake.[6] The game will be released worldwide on June 12, 2008, 10 years after the release of Metal Gear Solid and 20 years after the first Metal Gear.[7][8].
Contents
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    * 1 Gameplay
    * 2 Plot
    * 3 Development
    * 4 Characters and voice cast
          o 4.1 The New FOXHOUND
          o 4.2 The Beauty and the Beast Corps
          o 4.3 Cast
    * 5 Soundtrack
    * 6 Marketing
    * 7 Versions and releases
          o 7.1 Limited Edition
          o 7.2 Release bundles
    * 8 Metal Gear Online
    * 9 Reception
    * 10 References
    * 11 External links

Gameplay
Old Snake aiming at mercenaries.
Old Snake aiming at mercenaries.

In Metal Gear Solid 4, the player Old Snake must navigate the game world in order to progress, using stealth and cunning in addition to traditional combat. It will use the series' traditional third person view with full camera manipulation, but also allows the freedom to play in first-person mode, as well as an over the shoulder view which can be switched from right shoulder to left for easy corner maneuvering. The Close Quarters Combat system will be completely revamped. The player will also be able to interrogate guards for information and supplies.

Several elements from previous titles return in modified forms. Players will also use a new form of camouflage called "Octocamo", which replaces the camouflage system featured in Metal Gear Solid 3. Dark blue when disabled, the Octocamo suit allows the wearer to blend in with any surface within a few seconds. A new monocular device called "Solid Eye" replaces the various binoculars and image intensifiers from previous titles, and a steel drum complements the series' traditional cardboard box disguise. It is able to deflect bullets, and can be rolled to knock enemy soldiers over, but can lead to Snake being sick should the player roll around too much.

According to Ryan Payton, the game will be filled with cut-scenes that explain what happened in previous MGS games and how that relates to the events of MGS4. Players will be able to choose whether to view these scenes by pressing the circle button on their controller when prompted. Although informative enough to excite the hardcore fans of the series, the cut scenes will be straight forward enough for casual players. Players will have the choice of watching the cut scenes from predetermined camera angles or exploring them with the Metal Gear Mk. II. [9]

Snake will also be partnered with a robotic drone, the Metal Gear Mk. II, which allows him to communicate with other characters, in addition to the CODEC radio system from previous games. It is also capable of engaging enemies using an electric shock, as well as providing reconnaissance.[10] This drone is reminiscent of Gillian Seed's robotic sidekick of the same name from another Hideo Kojima game Snatcher.

Due to the lack of a rumble feature (an important part in previous titles) from the PlayStation 3 during much of the development, the game had been designed with a new feature: a white "Threat Ring," that visibly vibrates when sound is made nearby.[11] As a series known for extensive use of rumble, when Sony announced the reintroduction of a new DualShock 3, MGS4 was announced as one of the first major games to make use of the force feedback capabilities.[12]

Snake's health will play some factor during gameplay. If injured on the battlefield, cuts and burns will remain on his skin. However, the developers wish to avoid putting the stress of Snake's health to the players, so he wears a muscle suit, allowing players to move in a similar fashion to previous games.[13]

Snake will have two new meters that replace the stamina bar from Snake Eater. The first meter, "Stress", is based on current fighting and climate conditions. This can cause Snake to go into a "combat high",[14] that increases his accuracy and reduces damage sustained. However this effect will eventually wear off and could cause Snake to momentarily collapse. Smoking a cigarette calms Snake down.[14] The second meter, "Psyche", slowly drops over time reducing Snake's accuracy. Scanning the pages of a glamor magazine will increase the meter.[14]

There is also a "Baseline Map" which is a radar map with a dynamic circle based on Snake's "presence" to the environment.[11] Accessible through the main menu, the Virtual Range is a test facility that allows the player to access the game's library of weapons as well as practice Snake's CQC moves.[14]

In the May 2008 issue of EDGE magazine, Kojima expressed dissatisfaction with the final game, citing the game's graphics and his inability to realize his early vision.[14] Kojima later clarified his remarks, stating that he was "very satisfied" with the final game and that his initial comments were sensationalized and mistranslated.[15]

Plot
PMC mercenaries deployed by Outer Haven.
PMC mercenaries deployed by Outer Haven.
Metal Gear series fictional chronology
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops
Metal Gear
Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake
Metal Gear Solid (The Twin Snakes)
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

Set in 2014, five years after the "Big Shell Incident" (the events of the Plant chapter from Metal Gear Solid 2), Metal Gear Solid 4 portrays a world where the restriction of military intervention on foreign soil has been eased, fueling the need for private military companies (PMCs) to fight proxy wars for business purposes. Nanotechnology has become prominent, both to enhance the capabilities and enforce the loyalty of mercenaries. The nanos that are in the PMCs are called "Sons of the Patriots" or "SOP". The five largest of these PMCs (Which are named Praying Mantis, Otselotovaya Khvatka, Werewolf, Pieuvre Armement and Raven Sword) are owned by a single mother company named Outer Haven, which is operated by Liquid Ocelot. Amassing an army whose manpower rivals that of the United States, Liquid prepares to launch an armed insurrection by taking control of SOP. Liquid will have the power to control all of the PMCs. With the world once again in crisis, a rapidly aging and disillusioned Solid Snake is deployed into the Middle East by Roy Campbell to terminate Liquid. Guns of the Patriots will take place in five locations, Middle East, South America and Eastern Europe. It will also including Shadow Moses from Metal Gear Solid.[16]

Development

Hideo Kojima announced that he would be retiring as director of the Metal Gear series after Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, and would leave his position open to another person for Metal Gear Solid 4, as he had announced he would after Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty.[citation needed] As a joke, the new director was announced as "Alan Smithee", but in R, a 400-page book bundled with Metal Gear Solid 3's Japanese "Premium Package", the director was revealed to be Shuyo Murata, co-writer of MGS3 and director of Zone of the Enders: The 2nd Runner. He has also contributed humorous easter eggs to Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty and Metal Gear: Ghost Babel. However, it was announced that Kojima will be co-directing the game with Murata after substantial negative fan reaction, including death threats.[17]

The title has been described as "essentially finished" since January 2008, and is currently entering extensive beta testing.[18] As of April, a team of American and European journalists are the only individuals outside Konami to have played the game through its entirety, and have provided feedback to the development team.[19]

At Destination PlayStation on February 26, 2008, Sony announced that MGS4 would be released worldwide on June 12, 2008, along with the special MGS4 PlayStation 3 bundle.[20]

Guns of the Patriots is the first PS3 game that uses a full 50GB dual layer Blu-ray Disc through extensive efforts in data compression.[21]

In the May 2008 issue of EDGE magazine, Kojima has expressed disappointment in the final result of the game's graphics and his inability to realize his early vision. Kojima says, "But when we actually started developing the game, we realized there were a lot of restrictions and so it turned out how you see it today ... we wanted to create something revolutionary, but in reality we couldn't really do that because of the CPU. We're using the Cell engine to its limit, actually. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising the PS3 machine, it's just that we weren't really aware of what the full-spec PS3 offered."[14] However, Kojima has more recently stated that he is "very satisfied" with the final game and that he never said anything critical of the PS3 in the first place, citing mistranslation by Western media for the purpose of sensationalism for his previous 'remarks'.[22]

Characters and voice cast

Many of the Japanese voice cast from Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty will be returning to reprise their roles in Guns of the Patriots, with the notable exception of Kōji Totani, the voice of Revolver Ocelot, who died in February 2006.[23] Totani will be replaced by Liquid Snake's Japanese voice actor Banjō Ginga. Houko Kuwashima and Kikuko Inoue will reprise the roles of Mei Ling and Rosemary respectively for the game,[24][25][26] Inoue will also voice a new character, Sunny, the daughter of Olga Gurlukovich. Japanese film director Shinya Tsukamoto will provide the Japanese voice for Vamp, replacing original actor Ryotaro Okiayu. An elderly EVA (who appears under the identity of Big Mama), from Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, will also appear, and her voice will be provided by singer Mari Natsuki.[27][28]

English voice acting work is being recorded in tandem under voice-director Kris Zimmerman.[29] David Hayter returns as Solid Snake, with Quinton Flynn (Raiden), Paul Eiding (Roy Campbell), Christopher Randolph (Otacon), Debi Mae West (Meryl Silverburgh), Jennifer Hale (Naomi Hunter), and Phil LaMarr (Vamp) all reprising their roles from previous titles. The role of EVA will be voiced by actress Lee Meriwether.[30] Cam Clarke, who performed the voice of Liquid Snake in the first two Metal Gear Solid games, will not be a part of the Metal Gear Solid 4 cast. The role of Liquid Ocelot was given to Patric Zimmerman, the voice of Revolver Ocelot. Kris Zimmerman, denying allegations of nepotism, has clarified that Kojima always intended for the character to use Ocelot's voice.[31]The character of Rosemary, played by Lara Cody in MGS2, will be played by Jennifer Hale in MGS4.[32] Ryan Payton has stated that due to lack of space that there will be no option to switch audio to different languages.[33]

Other new characters include Drebin, a self-styled "arms launderer" (notably voiced in Japanese by Keiji Fujiwara, the Japanese voice of Sigint in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater) whose Stryker will act as the in-game store.[14]; "Little Gray", a small, shaven, shorts-wearing monkey who appears to follow Drebin; a new FOXHOUND team under the command of Meryl Silverburgh; and the Beauty and the Beast Unit.


The New FOXHOUND
Left to right: Ed, Meryl, Jonathan and Johnny "Akiba" Sasaki.
Left to right: Ed, Meryl, Jonathan and Johnny "Akiba" Sasaki.

The four members of FOXHOUND, also known as "Rat Patrol Team"[14], are sent to investigate PMC activity. The team includes Meryl Silverburgh; Ed, Meryl's second-in-command; Jonathan, a hulking soldier; and Johnny Sasaki, also known as "Akiba", the team's electronics expert. Meryl, Ed, and Jonathan use the SOP (Sons Of the Patriots)[34] system to share each other's senses via the nanomachine network inside their bodies. Meryl states that they are investigating PMC activity for the US Army CID. Ed and Jonathan are named after Ed Brown and Jonathan Ingram, the main characters of Hideo Kojima's Policenauts, from which Meryl also originally gained her name.

The Beauty and the Beast Corps
The Beauty and the Beast Corps.
The Beauty and the Beast Corps.

Four new bosses are also debuting in Guns of the Patriots: Crying Wolf, Raging Raven, Screaming Mantis, and Laughing Octopus, all members of The Beauty and the Beast Corps. Their animal names openly reference characters from Metal Gear Solid's FOXHOUND unit, and the emotions relating to the Cobra Unit from Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater. A close inspection of Screaming Mantis reveals two marionettes of previous MGS bosses: Psycho Mantis and The Sorrow, both of whom were psychics. All four of them are women who suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder. The only way they can cope with the damage done to their minds is to become war machines. Their inner appearance is referred to as "Beauty", while their outer appearance is referred to as "Beast". Four real-life models were chosen for their in-game appearances as their "Beauty" side: Lyndall Jarvis, Scarlett Chorvat, Mieko Rye, and Yumi Kikuchi. The English dubbing for the characters is done by having the female voice actors perform the lines while Fred Tatasciore overdubs on top of the female voices, creating a split-voice effect for the characters.[35]

Cast
Character    Japanese    English    Motion Capture Actor
Old Snake (Solid Snake) [32]    Akio Ōtsuka    David Hayter    Ryoji Okamoto[32]
Raiden    Kenyū Horiuchi    Quinton Flynn    Takeshi Yoshioka
Eiji Morisaki[32]
Hal "Otacon" Emmerich    Hideyuki Tanaka    Christopher Randolph    Shumei Kawashima[32]
Naomi Hunter    Hiromi Tsuru    Jennifer Hale[32]    Haruna Aimoto[32]
Colonel Roy Campbell    Takeshi Aono    Paul Eiding    Takashi Kubo[32]
Liquid Ocelot    Banjō Ginga    Patric Zimmerman[31]    Taro Kanazawa[32]
Meryl Silverburgh    Kyoko Terase    Debi Mae West[35]    Eriko Hirata[32]
Vamp    Shinya Tsukamoto    Phil LaMarr[31]    Naoki Saito[32]
Mei Ling    Houko Kuwashima    Kim Mai Guest[32]    Yumi Kikuchi[32]
Rosemary    Kikuko Inoue    Jennifer Hale [32]    Haruna Aimoto[32]
Big Mama (EVA)    Mari Natsuki    Lee Meriwether[32]    Mao Yuuki[32]
Screaming Mantis    Mao Yuuki    Andrea Zafra (Normal voice)[32]
Fred Tatasciore (Beast voice)[35]    Mao Yuuki[32]
Crying Wolf    Eriko Hirata    Debra Wilson Skelton (Normal voice)[32]
Fred Tatasciore (Beast voice)[35]    Eriko Hirata[32]
Laughing Octopus    Haruna Aimoto    Paula Tiso (Normal voice)[32]
Fred Tatasciore (Beast voice)[35]    Haruna Aimoto[32]
Raging Raven    Yumi Kikuchi    Nika Futterman (Normal voice)[32]
Fred Tatasciore (Beast voice)[35]    Yumi Kikuchi[32]
Drebin    Keiji Fujiwara    Khary Payton[36]    Takashi Kubo[32]
Sunny    Kikuko Inoue    Christina Puccelli[32]    Yasuyo Nabeshima[32]
Johnny (Akiba)    Jun Fukuyama    Beng Spies[32]    Kazuki Muramatsu
Jonathan    Hideyuki Tanaka    James Sie[32]    Motosada Mori[32]
Ed    Shōzō Iizuka    Dave Fennoy[32]    Shigeyuki Horita[32]
Soldiers    TBA    Richard Steven Horvitz[citation needed]
Roger Craig Smith [37]    TBA
Haven soldiers (FROGS)    TBA    Sarah Sido[citation needed]    TBA

Soundtrack

    Main article: Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (soundtrack)

The score to Metal Gear Solid 4 is being led by Harry Gregson-Williams, his third Metal Gear Solid soundtrack,[38] and Nobuko Toda, who provided music for Metal Gear Acid and Metal Gear Acid 2.[39] Directed by Norihiko Hibino, GEM Impact employees Yoshitaka Suzuki and Takahiro Izutani also made compositions late in the game's production.[40] Other contributors are Konami employees Shuichi Kobori, Kazuma Jinnouchi, Akihiro Honda, and Sota Fujimori.[41]

There are two vocal themes for the game. The opening theme, "Love Theme", is sung by Jackie Presti and composed by Nobuko Toda. The ending theme, "Here's To You", is sung by Lisbeth Scott. Before the release of the game, "MGS4 - Theme of Love - Smash Bros. Brawl Version" was provided for Super Smash Bros. Brawl in the Shadow Moses Island level.[42]

The official soundtrack was released on May 28, 2008 by Konami Digital Entertainment under the catalog number GFCA-98/9.[43] It is comprised of two discs of music and 47 tracks. A soundtrack album will also be packaged with Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Limited Edition.[44]

Marketing

At a press conference on May 13, 2008, Hideo Kojima announced a marketing campaign and agreements with several companies to promote the game. An Apple iPod is an in-game item that Snake can use to change the background music, and collect hidden songs scattered throughout the game. ReGain Energy Drinks are used in the game as a stamina booster, and Sony Ericsson mobile phones are used.[45]

Konami and Ubisoft put an unlockable costume in the game for Snake, Altaïr from the Ubisoft stealth game Assassin's Creed. Initially revealed on April Fool's Day 2008, Kojima later announced that it would actually be in the game, unlockable by doing "something special".[46]

Versions and releases

Limited Edition
The Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of The Patriots limited edition boxart.
The Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of The Patriots limited edition boxart.

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Limited Edition is to be released simultaneously with the game's standard edition, as an enhanced counterpart. The release will contain Guns of the Patriots, a box with artwork by Yoji Shinkawa, a Blu-ray containing two "making of" documentaries, and the game soundtrack. The Limited Editon will be available exclusively at GameStop in the United States and EB Games in Canada,[47] while a similar bundle with an additional 6-inch 'Olive Drab' Old Snake Figurine has been made available at Play.com in the United Kingdom. [48]

Release bundles
The North American boxart for the basic bundle.
The North American boxart for the basic bundle.

In North America, a bundle containing an 80GB PlayStation 3, a DualShock 3 wireless controller, a downloadable game coupon from PSN and a copy of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots will be released for US$499 to coincide with the release of the standalone edition.[49] Japan will see the release of the Guns of the Patriots Welcome Box that contains the game itself, a DualShock 3 controller, and a 40GB PS3 in either black, white or silver.[50]

Sony has also announced a limited editon pre-order bundle containing Guns of the Patriots, a Blu-ray video disc and a matte grey (officially titled Gunmetal Grey) 40GB PlayStation 3. First announced in Japan on March 18, 2008 at a cost of ¥51,800[51] the bundle sold out within six days from March 20 to March 25.[52] An identical bundle was available in North America for pre-order on May 19, 2008 in "very limited" supply for US$600 at Konami's official website.[53]

Metal Gear Online

    Main article: Metal Gear Online

Metal Gear Online is the online component of Metal Gear Solid 4. The game will feature 16-player online stealth battles, encouraging players to engage heavily in teamwork. MGO will be distributed with MGS4 in the form of a starter pack, which will be expanded through downloadable content via the PlayStation Network, potentially for up to 10 years.[54]

The game was in beta testing in Japan from August 20 to September 3, 2007.[55] Around 3,000 people joined the test sessions. US and Canadian customers who pre-order Metal Gear Solid 4 in April will be also included in a further beta test which was due to begin on April 21, 2008, however due to many technical dificulties including a server overload, it was postponed to April 25, 2008 and continued until May 11, 2008, promptly shutting down at midnight PST until its return on June 12 for the world-wide release of MGS4.[7] The beta package obtained from pre-ordering the game also includes a documentary DVD titled "Metal Gear Saga Vol. 2" with an "invite code" inside. A beta was also scheduled to be opened in Europe.[56] On April 11, 2008, Konami announced an open Metal Gear Online beta for Europe and that it would be available for download from April 26 and would be entirely open to everyone who downloaded it until May 11.[57]

Reception

So far, Metal Gear Solid 4 has received only positive reviews. It has been praised for its innovative gameplay design and provocative storyline - The first review being a 10 out of 10 from PlayStation Official Magazine (UK), commenting Metal Gear Solid 4 "shifts gears constantly, innovating again and again".[58] The game has been awarded 5/5 from the Official US PlayStation 3 Magazine and 10/10 from the PSM Italy magazine ".[59][60]. MGS4 has also received a 9.9/10 from UK IGN.

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External links

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    * Metal Gear Solid 4 Global Site
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Eurogamer 8/10

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=143797

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Post by: MCD on May 30, 2008, 04:19:07 AM

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If only MGS4 did end there. An unbelievably lengthy and self-indulgent epilogue - you can't call it a cut-scene, it's an entire film in its own right, and a deeply boring one too - is how Solid Snake's career comes to a close. Too bad, but no hard feelings; you can ignore it if you wish. The drawn-out sentimentality is fitting, in a way. Snake may have started out as a gruff, two-dimensional cliché, but he bows out very gracefully in Metal Gear Solid 4, assuming the mantle of the world-weary samurai, or the enigmatic nameless cowboy from a spaghetti western, as if it were always his. David Hayter's voice performance isn't much more than an attempt to create the gravelliest, throatiest croak ever recorded by man, but as such, it's heroic.

You're sorry to see Snake go. But should you be? Guns of the Patriots is a frustrating, fractured game that turns Metal Gear Solid's world upside down several times over, but never changes it. It just burrows deeper into what fans love and detractors hate than ever before, and it will make few converts. It's a crying shame, given how many genuinely classic gaming moments there are here, given the countless exquisite creative touches, but Metal Gear Solid 4 is its own worst enemy. You could not ask for a funnier, cleverer, more ambitious or inspired or over-the-top conclusion to the Metal Gear Solid series, but it's definitely time to move on.

We love you, Snake. Don't come back.

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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 30, 2008, 04:20:47 AM

should've gotten Leonard Cohen to voice Snake this time
hell, should've commissioned him to write and perform the theme song

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Post by: CajoleJuice on May 30, 2008, 04:21:26 AM

MGS fanboys will cover the earth in their semen, it seems.

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Post by: BlueTsunami on May 30, 2008, 04:21:38 AM

Eurogamer can suck my hispanic bollitas

Quote from: CajoleJuice on May 30, 2008, 04:21:26 AM

MGS fanboys will cover the earth in their semen, it seems.

Splintscreen Cutscene and Gamplay Cajole! ITS LIKE 24 IN NON-REALLIFE :omg :hyper

This game will make Junpei sex Himuro

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Post by: MCD on May 30, 2008, 04:28:03 AM

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(Take note, however, that there are several minutes of install time to be endured, not just at the start, but before each act - albeit graced with a fantastic animated graphic of Snake smoking next to some health warnings.)

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Halfway through this section, a novel gameplay idea, a rousing on-rails shoot-out, and some thunderous cut-scene entertainment succeed in sustaining interest until the next episode. It's at this point that Kojima pulls the rug from under your feet. The MGS4 you were expecting, it turns out, is no more than half of the game you get.


We're not going to explain how, because everything that follows deserves not to be spoiled - not the plot, but the string of ideas that break Metal Gear Solid down and rebuild it, in several brilliant and surprising ways, before the game is done. The first of these is such a precise and enthralling distillation and of stealth gaming that it's a shame more people won't see it, but it's worth saving for the way it takes you unawares. Each time, atmospherics, graphics, tone and gameplay revisions mesh perfectly down to the tiniest detail, as Kojima Productions bombards you with references and mood-swings that leave your head in a spin. 1940s 'noir' cinema, the Iraq war, beat-'em-ups, Halo... take your pick.

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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 30, 2008, 04:28:47 AM

hafta say that Eurogamer piece is one of the best-written game reviews I've ever read.

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Post by: BlueTsunami on May 30, 2008, 04:29:08 AM

Ok, wtf at Multiple install times :rofl

I guess this game rally is 50GB :omg

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Post by: Vizzys on May 30, 2008, 04:31:42 AM

made a banner, use it or dont

(http://xs127.xs.to/xs127/08225/mgs4117.png)

it lacks the lulz

heres a textless version http://xs127.xs.to/xs127/08225/mgs684.png

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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 30, 2008, 04:33:20 AM

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hafta say that Eurogamer piece is one of the best-written game reviews I've ever read.

the comments from Eurogamer readers however are  :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X

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Post by: BlueTsunami on May 30, 2008, 04:33:44 AM

I will post it and if Groo does anything, I'll post that too

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Post by: Vizzys on May 30, 2008, 04:36:35 AM

i misspelled cinematix :/

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Post by: MCD on May 30, 2008, 04:43:53 AM

new tag get.

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Post by: Beezy on May 30, 2008, 04:44:32 AM

Okay, my turn to bitch about GAF:

The crazy banner filled official threads with a bunch if useless information is completely unnecessary. Please don't start that shit over here.

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 30, 2008, 04:55:14 AM

Seems like the multiple installs is the preliminary install being split up between the acts. So instead of one install of 20 Minutes, you get multiple ones that take 5 minutes or something. I personally would rather have the whole thing isntall at once.

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: MCD on May 30, 2008, 04:57:04 AM

Quote from: BlueTsunami on May 30, 2008, 04:55:14 AM

Seems like the multiple installs is the preliminary install being split up between the acts. So instead of one install of 20 Minutes, you get multiple ones that take 5 minutes or something. I personally would rather have the whole thing isntall at once.

360 version will just have you switch discs.

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Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 30, 2008, 04:59:29 AM

Its funny how switching disks is probably quicker than installing a whole other section of the game :lol

But the 360 pwnt in this regard, the game really must be that huge but it has to be the cutscenes that are doing this but the cutscenes are using in game assets right? MGS cutscenes aren't prerendered so its not like these are some super bitrate videos or something.

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Post by: Tieno on May 30, 2008, 05:13:19 AM

Blue Tsunama, at least have the decency to credit me for the work put into the OP.

Quote from: maxy on May 30, 2008, 04:15:43 AM

Eurogamer 8/10

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=143797

Something about Resistance and guns...

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: MCD on May 30, 2008, 05:15:45 AM

Resistance was shite.

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Post by: Tieno on May 30, 2008, 05:25:15 AM

Quote from: McDragon on May 30, 2008, 04:43:53 AM

new tag get.

Very endearing

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Post by: Pharmacy on May 30, 2008, 06:43:27 AM

Quote from: McDragon on May 30, 2008, 05:15:45 AM

Resistance was shite.

best post ever

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Post by: Pharmacy on May 30, 2008, 09:27:30 AM

Quote from: mojovonio on May 30, 2008, 09:25:06 AM

I hear dthis gam sux

im gonna fatr on u

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Post by: bork on May 30, 2008, 10:07:49 AM

FFVII  ??? ::)
FFVIII  :-X
FFIX  :'(
FFX  :lol
FFXI  :yuck
FFXII  :-X

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: pilonv1 on May 30, 2008, 10:38:35 AM

:rofl @ this piece of shit. HALF THE GAME IS VIDEO?

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Post by: Positive Touch on May 30, 2008, 11:27:40 AM

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  :rofl this piece of shit. HALF THE GAME IS VIDEO?

to be fair, about 2/3s of the old games were video, so this is a huge improvement

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Post by: duckman2000 on May 30, 2008, 11:39:03 AM

The Eurogamer review points to everything I had feared, but expected, would be true about this game; remarkable fanservice, and that's it.

It's a shame though that Eurogamer can not be trusted. And don't fucking say that it can, because it can't.

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Post by: Kestastrophe on May 30, 2008, 11:44:22 AM

Quote from: duckman2000 on May 30, 2008, 11:39:03 AM

The Eurogamer review points to everything I had feared, but expected, would be true about this game; remarkable fanservice, and that's it.

It's a shame though that Eurogamer can not be trusted. And don't fucking say that it can, because it can't.

This one is starting to sound like GTA IV in terms of publisher control of reviews

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/05/30/possible-mgs4-review-limits/ (http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/05/30/possible-mgs4-review-limits/)

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Post by: Draft on May 30, 2008, 11:46:57 AM

Oh my word.

Alert the review crew!

They've closed the case of GTA4, but a new game is afoot!

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Post by: patrickula on May 30, 2008, 12:29:36 PM

Some kind of Konami rules kept EGM from printing their reviews this month as planned.

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Post by: hyp on May 30, 2008, 12:38:05 PM

so shane b. didn't give it a 10/10??  ???

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Post by: Tieno on May 30, 2008, 12:42:51 PM

Quote from: hyp on May 30, 2008, 12:38:05 PM

so shane b. didn't give it a 10/10??  ???

Shane wasn't on the review because he went to Konami to playtest the game and give advice. Plus he's an MGS apologist (defending bad controls and shit)

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Post by: FancyFeast on May 30, 2008, 01:11:42 PM

Quote from: patrickula on May 30, 2008, 12:29:36 PM

Some kind of Konami rules kept EGM from printing their reviews this month as planned.

Nailed it.

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Post by: duckman2000 on May 30, 2008, 01:40:30 PM

I don't get why they'd have to be hush hush about cutscene length. Isn't that an MGS trademark? Or are they afraid that it's going to turn off newcomers to the series? Feels like that's a weird concern, given that it's #4 in one of the most ass convoluted game series that has ever existed.

Anyway, trust in the site aside, the Eurogamer reviews reads like a great buyer's guide. Praise for the things that existing fans are bound to adore, and a word of caution to those who may have held out hope that it'd be an accessible game.

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Post by: duckman2000 on May 30, 2008, 01:47:37 PM

Quote from: dcharlie on May 30, 2008, 01:45:42 PM

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It's a shame though that Eurogamer can not be trusted. And don't fucking say that it can, because it can't.

it's the trust rollercoaster ! I see IGN is suddenly credible again after it's 9.9 review!  ::)

No, Eurogamer has been on the can't be trusted shitlist for a while. Including factually incorrect stuff in a review tends to have that effect. And it's a damned shame as the writing has always been a cut above. I like this review though, because it actually serves as a buyer's guide. That thing you do where you complain about others taking a too wide brush fanboy approach to things? Yeah, you're the one with the wide brush right now.

edit: Hold on a second, IGN gave the game a 9.9? Really? That sounds ridiculous, although I guess not surprising coming from that site.

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Post by: fistfulofmetal on May 30, 2008, 01:53:42 PM

IGN UK gave it a 9.9

IGN gave MGS3:S a 9.8 also.

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Post by: bud on May 30, 2008, 02:15:44 PM

you have to install the game after each chapter?! >:( :'( :'(

i wanna hate mgs4 so much right now but i'm just too much of a whore :-[ :'(

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Post by: duckman2000 on May 30, 2008, 02:16:46 PM

Oh wow, that's an, uh, interesting review. 10, 10, 10, another 10, and then a 9.5 for good measure. The whole scoring system seems to be heading towards devaluation.

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Post by: Smooth Groove on May 30, 2008, 02:19:01 PM

Maybe they're grading it as a SD game? 

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Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 30, 2008, 02:24:41 PM

I saw everyone's responses to the Eurogamer review before I saw the actual score. They gave it an 8, what the hell is wrong with an 8? The way some people were talking made me think it got a bad score or something.

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Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 30, 2008, 02:27:17 PM

I was expecting Eurogamer to man up and give it like a 6 or something.

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Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 30, 2008, 02:29:38 PM

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 30, 2008, 02:27:48 PM

That's Edge's job

Oh yeah, that's Edge, not Eurogamer.

Reviews don't influence my purchases (I buy Gundam games, nuff said). I have an idea of what to expect, so I'll still give it a go.

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Post by: duckman2000 on May 30, 2008, 02:42:31 PM

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 30, 2008, 02:30:56 PM

Well written reviews influence me to an  extent, but scores are just stupid.

Something like that. The Eurogamer review here is very useful for me, as it actually offers valuable information for people other than already die-hard MGS fans. There are some "issues" with previous MGS games, and this particular review actually makes it clear whether or not those issues are still there, and to what degree. A truly well written review shouldn't even really need a score attached to it; the relative value of the game should be obvious by the information in the review.

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Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 30, 2008, 02:46:27 PM

The review is blocked at work, I'll read it when I get home. Sounds like it's thoughtful, even if it's pissing off stupid fanboys.

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Post by: duckman2000 on May 30, 2008, 03:31:07 PM

Quote from: Borys on May 30, 2008, 03:28:08 PM

Seems like it's the PERFECT MGS game for MGS fans. If you wanted something... uh... non-wacky jappy then you're out of luck.

Look, I don't think it is necessary or even smart to troll this game now.

What do I expect from FF13? To be the best FF game ever. To have everything I loved in FF games. I guess the same goes for MGS4. People don't want something different, they want MOTS!

Trolling, no. I just honestly wanted to know if it'd be accessible for someone who hasn't been too fond of the quirks in previous MGS games. It's a shame, because there's so much about this game that is brutally appealing. It was expected that it'd be fan service, wasn't sure to what extent though.

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Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 30, 2008, 04:34:33 PM

Quote from: duckman2000 on May 30, 2008, 03:31:07 PM

Quote from: Borys on May 30, 2008, 03:28:08 PM

Seems like it's the PERFECT MGS game for MGS fans. If you wanted something... uh... non-wacky jappy then you're out of luck.

Look, I don't think it is necessary or even smart to troll this game now.

What do I expect from FF13? To be the best FF game ever. To have everything I loved in FF games. I guess the same goes for MGS4. People don't want something different, they want MOTS!

Trolling, no. I just honestly wanted to know if it'd be accessible for someone who hasn't been too fond of the quirks in previous MGS games. It's a shame, because there's so much about this game that is brutally appealing. It was expected that it'd be fan service, wasn't sure to what extent though.

I'm not sure, but no matter how many reviews you read, you won't know for certain until you play it.

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Post by: duckman2000 on May 30, 2008, 04:43:07 PM

That's true, but a review might be enough to make me decide if it's even worth it for me to find out for myself. Especially when I know what signs to look for. In this case, I'll wait to read a few more good reviews before I decide, but the Eurogamer review is a "good" start.

On a separate note, why in the hell do people assume that it's alright to just openly spoil other story-driven pieces (movies or games)? One more fucking movie spoiler in an official thread for something entirely different and I might just go ahead and spoil whatever the official thread is for.  :bowser

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Post by: pilonv1 on May 30, 2008, 09:01:31 PM

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 30, 2008, 02:27:48 PM

That's Edge's job

There's no chance this gets less than an 8 in Edge. It's been getting the same treatment that GTA IV was getting. There was a massive article in the last issue, the same as GTA IV had one before it's review

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Post by: TVC15 on May 30, 2008, 09:27:38 PM

If MGS4 is on par with the rest of the series, 8 is as close to a correct objective review as you're going to get.  As good as the gameplay is, Kojima has never learned to tell a story without disruptive exposition.

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Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 30, 2008, 09:32:37 PM

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 30, 2008, 01:27:48 PM

omfg this is going to be amazing.  where the hell is kev for our month long wankfest?

He quit. Or at least, extended hiatus.

PM him and convince him otherwise!

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Post by: BlueTsunami on May 30, 2008, 11:12:20 PM

Quote from: TVC 15 on May 30, 2008, 09:27:38 PM

If MGS4 is on par with the rest of the series, 8 is as close to a correct objective review as you're going to get.  As good as the gameplay is, Kojima has never learned to tell a story without disruptive exposition.

The Eurogamer reviewer sounds as though hes tired of the series though. What other publication is trusted for reviews? Edge?

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Post by: pilonv1 on May 30, 2008, 11:14:36 PM

Edge are on the "iffy" list now after GTA IV got a 10. Reading the text made me want to shoot someone in rage

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Post by: theetrin on May 31, 2008, 04:58:23 AM

I'm so fucking gay for MGS it's ridiculous. MGS4 is going to be sooo fucking awesome. God dammit Kojima, give it to meeee

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Herr Mafflard on May 31, 2008, 05:10:42 AM

If GTA4 is an 8/10 game that got 10/10 from EG,  does that mean MGS4 is a 6/10 game?  ::)

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Post by: Tieno on May 31, 2008, 05:16:37 AM

Quote from: InfectedGib on May 31, 2008, 05:10:42 AM

If GTA4 is an 8/10 game that got 10/10 from EG,  does that mean MGS4 is a 6/10 game?  ::)

Quote from: pilonv1 on May 30, 2008, 09:01:31 PM

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 30, 2008, 02:27:48 PM

That's Edge's job

There's no chance this gets less than an 8 in Edge. It's been getting the same treatment that GTA IV was getting. There was a massive article in the last issue, the same as GTA IV had one before it's review

Edge seems to have given it an 8/10

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11394585&postcount=1
edit cliffnotes
- Opening act is the best part
- Not a game for MGS outsiders
- two cut-scenes near the 90 minute mark
- The Beauty and the Beast Unit are in the shadow of the MGS3 Cobra Unit.
- Camera flow effortless between 1st and 3rd person view
- Control system has "at last" the ideal balance of intuitvness and range.
- Game can be played for months rather than days.
- MGS4 is not the game it could of been, nor the game it should have been if you believed the early trailers (??)
- But is very faithful to its fans and delivers without equal in so many ways.
(http://www.abjecthubris.com/images/ds02.gif)


Two cutscenes nearing 90 minutes? Or two cutscenes combined nearing 90minutes? Whatever the case...What?

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Herr Mafflard on May 31, 2008, 05:37:52 AM

(http://i31.tinypic.com/ossx7k.jpg)

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Post by: Kyle on May 31, 2008, 05:58:03 AM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11394833&postcount=49
:rofl if true.

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Post by: Darunia on May 31, 2008, 06:33:29 AM

two cutscenes nearing movie length? what? I kinda doubt that's true, even 2 or 3 weren't that insane in that regard

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: WrikaWrek on May 31, 2008, 08:25:21 AM

2 cut scenes that near the 90 minute mark.

It's just so ridiculous.

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Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 31, 2008, 10:34:59 AM

I guess I won't be borrowing this game off my friend lol

I thought this was supposed to be different from the others.

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: duckman2000 on May 31, 2008, 11:43:06 AM

So, Edge decided to comment on what it "could or should" have been? That's always a dodgy approach, and not a very useful one either. I remember really growing to dislike critics for their Fable reviews some years back; if you can't stick to reviewing the actual game, the one that is available for people to actually buy, and instead go on about phantom qualities, then you really shouldn't be behind that particular buyer's guide.

Those 90 minute cut-scenes, why did the EGM dude who posts on NeoGAF claim that it wasn't true then? If it is, then god damn. Flies in the face of this:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11396957&postcount=469

Apparently, he doesn't actually know how to tell a story.

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Post by: BlueTsunami on May 31, 2008, 01:14:56 PM

Sounds like its the same formula. If you weren't a Metal Gear Solid fan before, guess you don't wanna join the club :bow

:bow MGS :bow

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Post by: CajoleJuice on May 31, 2008, 01:17:09 PM

Exactly. Every MGS fan is going to cum massive loads, and everyone else sucked into the hype is going to be like "what the fuck is this shit?"

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Tieno on May 31, 2008, 01:22:04 PM

I enjoyed MGS2 a great deal, although go back and forth on it when I look back at it. I'm scared of MGS3: started the first level and the micro-management eating/hunting mechanic made me put it away as fast as possible. I can't stand stuff like that, I just can't. It's game-breaking for me, just like the one-save system in Dead Rising.

The message with MGS4 was that it'd scrub off some of the rough edges to reach beyond the hardcore fans: controls and obtrusive japanese complex design for the sake of complexity, super weird shit, cut scenes, codecs. But after playing MGO I don't have much faith in the controls and a polished/stream-lined interface. From reports cut scenes seem to be more, not less.
I really want to get into it.

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Post by: BlueTsunami on May 31, 2008, 01:30:53 PM

I haven't heard of a hunger system in this game. It sounds as though its going to play like MGS2 in regards to just focusing on Stealth/Shooting with the addidtion of CQC. Also, what Edge states about the controls is interesting. Are the MGO controls exactly the same as its going to be in the Offline game?

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Post by: duckman2000 on May 31, 2008, 01:34:54 PM

Quote from: Tieno on May 31, 2008, 01:22:04 PM

I enjoyed MGS2 a great deal, although go back and forth on it when I look back at it. I'm scared of MGS3: started the first level and the micro-management eating/hunting mechanic made me put it away as fast as possible. I can't stand stuff like that, I just can't. It's game-breaking for me, just like the one-save system in Dead Rising.

The message with MGS4 was that it'd scrub off some of the rough edges to reach beyond the hardcore fans: controls and obtrusive japanese complex design for the sake of complexity, super weird shit, cut scenes, codecs. But after playing MGO I don't have much faith in the controls and a polished/stream-lined interface. From reports cut scenes seem to be more, not less.
I really want to get into it.

Yeah, it definitely reads like fan service more than anything, and then catering to, at least for me, the wrong objects of the fan adoration. It's so attractive in so many ways, but as of right now, it'd appear as if it's less approachable than even I had expected.

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Post by: BlueTsunami on May 31, 2008, 01:56:47 PM

In all honesty though, if any game is going to go "balls to the wall" fanservice, it should be the game that finishes off the series. Its like one big Hideo goodbye to Snake.

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Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 31, 2008, 02:01:19 PM

MGS4 is the 7th game in the Metal Gear series, and the one that supposedly wraps things up. I don't see how it couldn't be heavy fanservice at this point.

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Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 31, 2008, 02:01:32 PM

You can do fanservice and not have 90 minute cutscenes lol

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Post by: duckman2000 on May 31, 2008, 02:03:54 PM

Right. Although I suppose this confirms once and for all that MGS really is all about poorly directed cinema. I expected there to be lots of lengthy cutscenes, but this is definitely pushing it. Who knows though, maybe they really needed all that time to tell the story, but  it seems excessive, and not a good mark on Kojima as a director.

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Post by: bud on May 31, 2008, 02:05:32 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on May 31, 2008, 10:34:59 AM

I guess I won't be borrowing this game off my friend lol

I thought this was supposed to be different from the others.

it is different in terms of gameplay and controls. i'm not sure what you're expect from the story or the amount of cutscenes when this is snake's final game and it's wrapping everything up.

and gamepro and ttp on gaf have said that there aren't any 90 minute cutscenes. don't really know who to believe anymore at this point, though ttp is pretty trustworthy.

anyway

i still can't fucking wait

omg

12 days

omg

edit: and i'd so sit through a 90 minute cutscene in mgs4.

:bow snake :bow2

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Post by: fistfulofmetal on May 31, 2008, 02:07:05 PM

I'm still trying to decided whether or not I'll try to go to the midnight launch.
It's a hard decision to make.

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Post by: Sho Nuff on May 31, 2008, 02:07:27 PM

"Snake I know that you're in the middle of a battlefield but let me read you my thesis on global warming"
"OK"

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: duckman2000 on May 31, 2008, 02:07:32 PM

Quote from: bud on May 31, 2008, 02:05:32 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on May 31, 2008, 10:34:59 AM

I guess I won't be borrowing this game off my friend lol

I thought this was supposed to be different from the others.

it is different in terms of gameplay and controls. i'm not sure what you're expect from the story or the amount of cutscenes when this is snake's final game and it's wrapping everything up.

and gamepro and ttp on gaf have said that there aren't any 90 minute cutscenes. don't really know who to believe anymore at this point, though ttp is pretty trustworthy.

anyway

i still can't fucking wait

omg

12 days

omg

He is, which makes the whole complaint sound dodgy. And there was also an EGM guy who confirmed that there were no such cutscenes in the game. I guess timing might be relative to ones enjoyment of it, but I'd expect some honest information from a buyer's guide.

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Post by: BlueTsunami on May 31, 2008, 02:09:24 PM

Quote from: Sho Nuff on May 31, 2008, 02:07:27 PM

"Snake I know that you're in the middle of a battlefield but let me read you my thesis on global warming"
"OK"

:lol ;_;

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Post by: bud on May 31, 2008, 02:12:29 PM

''snake, do you think love can bloom on a battlefield?''  :lol

wolf :'(

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Post by: Sho Nuff on May 31, 2008, 02:18:55 PM

Quote from: bud on May 31, 2008, 02:12:29 PM

''snake, do you think love can bloom on a battlefield?''  :lol

wolf :'(

At that point in the game I thought Otakon was gay. Gay for Snake

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Post by: MCD on May 31, 2008, 02:22:06 PM

i hope otacon is always on the codec, i loved that in MGS2 on the tanker.

2 best friends fighting the good fight :rock

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Post by: Sho Nuff on May 31, 2008, 02:23:45 PM

I started skipping every cutscene in every Metal Gear game I played since "hey Snake I boned my mom lol"

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Post by: MCD on May 31, 2008, 02:28:20 PM

that was very late in mgs2, otacon didn't need a sister or fucking his step mother or whatever, kojima sure loves to ruin good things.

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Post by: bud on May 31, 2008, 03:00:45 PM

does anyone remember in mgs2--right before you meet snake in arsenal's butt--that you'd see a video of a woman with big titties, which replaced the radar? i almost jo'd but it was already over before i got my snake out :'(

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Post by: MCD on May 31, 2008, 03:04:29 PM

yes, it annoyed the fuck out of me.

real talk, when the colonel tells you to turn off the console, i actually did that  :'(

i was tired and it was late at night :'(

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on May 31, 2008, 03:05:23 PM

So what's the deal with these 90 minute cut scenes I'm hearing about? Fake?

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 31, 2008, 03:20:37 PM

Quote from: McDragon on May 31, 2008, 03:04:29 PM

yes, it annoyed the fuck out of me.

real talk, when the colonel tells you to turn off the console, i actually did that  :'(

i was tired and it was late at night :'(

That shit freaked me out. I wasn't expecting the codec freakout. This was when I wasn't on the Internet so I was completely blacked out to everything about the game. I'm sorta the same with MGS4.

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Post by: duckman2000 on May 31, 2008, 03:22:19 PM

I suppose it's not feasible, but games that are heavy on cut-scenes could really use fast forward and rewind functions.

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Post by: Beezy on May 31, 2008, 04:15:13 PM

I just realized that I beat every Metal Gear game except for the original two. Are they any good? I think I have them on my MGS3: Subsistence disc.

Edit: I forgot about Portable Ops and that Acid bullshit. The GBC game was my first Metal Gear game.

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Himu on May 31, 2008, 04:19:06 PM

Acid isn't canon.

Metal Gear 1 is okay. Metal Gear 2 is MGS1 in 2d. It's the template for all MGS games. Must play.

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Himu on May 31, 2008, 04:22:12 PM

Otacon is a pretty annoying character. The whole I BOWNED MY MOM thing really seals it.

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Post by: Beezy on May 31, 2008, 04:24:24 PM

Quote from: Himuro on May 31, 2008, 04:19:06 PM

Acid isn't canon.

Metal Gear 1 is okay. Metal Gear 2 is MGS1 in 2d. It's the template for all MGS games. Must play.

Thanks.

Quote from: Himuro on May 31, 2008, 04:22:12 PM

Otacon is a pretty annoying character. The whole I BOWNED MY MOM thing really seals it.

...what?

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Post by: Himu on May 31, 2008, 04:27:40 PM

At the end of MGS2, Otacon says he fucked his step mom while his dad drowned to death. And everyone else is like

"okay"

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Post by: Beezy on May 31, 2008, 04:30:30 PM

I don't remember that. :lol

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 31, 2008, 04:30:55 PM

ac!d 2 is the only metal gear game i've enjoyed

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Post by: Himu on May 31, 2008, 04:32:59 PM

haven't played acid 2, but acid 1 was my favorite early psp game

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Mupepe on May 31, 2008, 04:36:28 PM

Quote from: Himuro on May 31, 2008, 04:32:59 PM

haven't played acid 2, but acid 1 was my favorite early psp game

you should have told me.  i would have let you borrow it

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 31, 2008, 05:36:12 PM

Quote from: Professor Prole on May 31, 2008, 04:30:55 PM

ac!d 2 is the only metal gear game i've enjoyed

I heard the first Acid game was terrible, but the second is great. I guess I'll pick it up on the cheap.

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Himu on May 31, 2008, 05:46:33 PM

the first Acid is hardly terrible. It's a pretty good strategy game.

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on May 31, 2008, 05:49:50 PM

I'm seriosuly considering canceling my MGS4 LE preorder and getting Wii Fit instead. I'm fat, stop looking at me like that, Drinky.

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 31, 2008, 05:52:33 PM

Quote from: Himuro on May 31, 2008, 05:46:33 PM

the first Acid is hardly terrible. It's a pretty good strategy game.

What's the card system like? I'm not a big fan of card-based systems.

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Himu on May 31, 2008, 05:56:22 PM

Me either.

And I loved  Acid.

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Oblivion on May 31, 2008, 06:24:17 PM

lol. The MGS4 Edge review thread on GAF is already 18 pages. That's even worse than the 8.8 for Zelda: TP ordeal.  :lol

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Powerslave on May 31, 2008, 06:24:56 PM

Quote from: Himuro on May 31, 2008, 05:56:22 PM

Me either.

And I loved  Acid.

it's NEITHER god damn it

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: MCD on May 31, 2008, 06:46:23 PM

Quote from: BlueTsunami on May 31, 2008, 03:20:37 PM

Quote from: McDragon on May 31, 2008, 03:04:29 PM

yes, it annoyed the fuck out of me.

real talk, when the colonel tells you to turn off the console, i actually did that  :'(

i was tired and it was late at night :'(

That shit freaked me out. I wasn't expecting the codec freakout. This was when I wasn't on the Internet so I was completely blacked out to everything about the game. I'm sorta the same with MGS4.

it did a numbers on me alright hahaha.

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: theetrin on June 03, 2008, 01:02:16 AM

Why exactly would someone jump into MGS in the last game? That's like skipping Lost because you don't like it, then complaining that you were going to watch Season 6, but realized it's just like the others.

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: BlueTsunami on June 03, 2008, 01:07:10 AM

MGS3 - "Snake Eater": http://youtube.com/watch?v=4fK9PUJ94oM

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: theetrin on June 03, 2008, 01:48:16 AM

Quote from: BlueTsunami on June 03, 2008, 01:07:10 AM

MGS3 - "Snake Eater": http://youtube.com/watch?v=4fK9PUJ94oM

I've never seen that video. That is fucking awesome.

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Beezy on June 03, 2008, 01:55:02 AM

Quote from: BlueTsunami on June 03, 2008, 01:07:10 AM

MGS3 - "Snake Eater": http://youtube.com/watch?v=4fK9PUJ94oM

I want an mp3 of that version of Snake Eater. I love that song so much. It's probably part of the reason why MGS3 is my favorite of the MGS games.

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Darunia on June 03, 2008, 07:56:49 AM

Quote from: BlueTsunami on June 03, 2008, 01:07:10 AM

MGS3 - "Snake Eater": http://youtube.com/watch?v=4fK9PUJ94oM

wow. that is without a doubt the best version of that song, thanks for the link

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Post by: WrikaWrek on June 03, 2008, 08:13:24 AM

(http://i32.tinypic.com/2uo3pci.jpg)
(http://i29.tinypic.com/wa38th.jpg)


 :D

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Post by: Positive Touch on June 03, 2008, 11:49:11 AM

why does it say blu-ray on the box  ???

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 03, 2008, 11:54:49 AM

Quote from: Positive Touch on June 03, 2008, 11:49:11 AM

why does it say blu-ray on the box  ???

The game is on a Blu-ray disc, and it includes a bonus Blu-ray movie disc?

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Post by: Mupepe on June 03, 2008, 12:00:48 PM

Quote from: WrikaWrek on June 03, 2008, 08:13:24 AM

(http://i32.tinypic.com/2uo3pci.jpg)
(http://i29.tinypic.com/wa38th.jpg)


 :D

HOLY SHIT

MINE :D

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Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 03, 2008, 12:24:15 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on June 03, 2008, 12:00:48 PM

Quote from: WrikaWrek on June 03, 2008, 08:13:24 AM

(http://i32.tinypic.com/2uo3pci.jpg)
(http://i29.tinypic.com/wa38th.jpg)


 :D

HOLY SHIT

MINE :D

That's the European LE. We're not getting the figure in North America.

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Post by: Mupepe on June 03, 2008, 12:26:03 PM

...

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: WrikaWrek on June 03, 2008, 12:37:49 PM

Quote from: distantmantra on June 03, 2008, 12:24:15 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on June 03, 2008, 12:00:48 PM

Quote from: WrikaWrek on June 03, 2008, 08:13:24 AM

(http://i32.tinypic.com/2uo3pci.jpg)
(http://i29.tinypic.com/wa38th.jpg)


 :D

HOLY SHIT

MINE :D

That's the European LE. We're not getting the figure in North America.

Good thing i live in Europe. I already have mine reserved. I hope it's there at launch or i will cry tears of blood from all the killing i'll do.

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Post by: Positive Touch on June 03, 2008, 01:58:52 PM

Quote

The game is on a Blu-ray disc, and it includes a bonus Blu-ray movie disc?

i was talking about the box for the figure  >:(

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 03, 2008, 01:59:30 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on June 03, 2008, 12:26:03 PM

...

We're getting an artbook instead of the figure, apparently.

Quote from: Positive Touch on June 03, 2008, 01:58:52 PM

Quote

The game is on a Blu-ray disc, and it includes a bonus Blu-ray movie disc?

i was talking about the box for the figure  >:(

The box for the figure also houses the game, so I'm guessing that's why. Can't forget about that power of Blu-ray, or something...

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: fistfulofmetal on June 03, 2008, 03:20:47 PM

That figure is pretty terrible. Mostly all the MGS action figures suck. Except that awesome Snake Eater one.

Glad I'm getting the artbook instead

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Mupepe on June 03, 2008, 03:33:16 PM

Quote from: distantmantra on June 03, 2008, 01:59:30 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on June 03, 2008, 12:26:03 PM

...

We're getting an artbook instead of the figure, apparently.

that's fucking horrible

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: muckhole on June 03, 2008, 03:35:21 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on June 03, 2008, 03:33:16 PM

that's fucking horrible

As a man, I feel I would have a hard time explaining to folks why I have a plastic statue of a senior citizen with a mullet wearing a body-stocking unitard, so no disappointment here.

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Positive Touch on June 03, 2008, 03:53:36 PM

where do you live?  and what section of the paper would even include something like that?

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 03, 2008, 03:56:13 PM

Quote from: muckhole on June 03, 2008, 03:35:21 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on June 03, 2008, 03:33:16 PM

that's fucking horrible

As a man, I feel I would have a hard time explaining to folks why I have a plastic statue of a senior citizen with a mullet wearing a body-stocking unitard, so no disappointment here.

Yeah, I feel the same. I have no use for the figure.

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Kyle on June 03, 2008, 03:58:25 PM

Quote from: mojovonio on June 03, 2008, 03:37:04 PM

I saw an article on how Konami didn't want reviewers to mention the install or cutscenes in my local paper today.

I said huh?

that's old, I read it in Joystiq via MTV Blog.
also, EGM refused to review MGS4 because of that.
http://kotaku.com/5012146/egm-refuse-to-review-mgs4-because-konami-imposed-limitations

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 03, 2008, 03:59:42 PM

Quote from: Kyle on June 03, 2008, 03:58:25 PM

Quote from: mojovonio on June 03, 2008, 03:37:04 PM

I saw an article on how Konami didn't want reviewers to mention the install or cutscenes in my local paper today.

I said huh?

that's old, I read it in Joystiq via MTV Blog.
also, EGM refused to review MGS4 because of that.
http://kotaku.com/5012146/egm-refuse-to-review-mgs4-because-konami-imposed-limitations

I read their review/preview. They're going to review it in full next month.

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Mupepe on June 03, 2008, 04:04:08 PM

Quote from: distantmantra on June 03, 2008, 03:56:13 PM

Quote from: muckhole on June 03, 2008, 03:35:21 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on June 03, 2008, 03:33:16 PM

that's fucking horrible

As a man, I feel I would have a hard time explaining to folks why I have a plastic statue of a senior citizen with a mullet wearing a body-stocking unitard, so no disappointment here.

Yeah, I feel the same. I have no use for the figure.

It would go in my closet like the rest of my shit like that, but it would still be awesome to have.  I'd probably look through the art book like .5 times

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 03, 2008, 04:25:23 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on June 03, 2008, 04:04:08 PM

Quote from: distantmantra on June 03, 2008, 03:56:13 PM

Quote from: muckhole on June 03, 2008, 03:35:21 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on June 03, 2008, 03:33:16 PM

that's fucking horrible

As a man, I feel I would have a hard time explaining to folks why I have a plastic statue of a senior citizen with a mullet wearing a body-stocking unitard, so no disappointment here.

Yeah, I feel the same. I have no use for the figure.

It would go in my closet like the rest of my shit like that, but it would still be awesome to have.  I'd probably look through the art book like .5 times

Oh, the artbook will get totally ignored, too. It just doesn't take up as much space.

I've got the Super Robot Taisen Alpha 2 LE from Japan, it came with four figures of awesome robots. I've never taken them out of the box, because I have no desire to display them around the house.  :lol

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Mupepe on June 03, 2008, 04:35:20 PM

:lol

Yeah, I'd be embarassed to display it anywhere.  But it would be something to nerd out with my friends for a few minutes other than an artbook which even they don't give a shit about.  Plus, I feel like I'm getting more for my money with a figure for some reason :(

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 03, 2008, 04:46:58 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on June 03, 2008, 04:35:20 PM

:lol

Yeah, I'd be embarassed to display it anywhere.  But it would be something to nerd out with my friends for a few minutes other than an artbook which even they don't give a shit about.  Plus, I feel like I'm getting more for my money with a figure for some reason :(

The soundtrack and bonus Blu-ray disc are good enough for me. And they don't take up any space outside of the box!

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Mupepe on June 03, 2008, 04:49:12 PM

I want to whine!

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 03, 2008, 04:50:57 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on June 03, 2008, 04:49:12 PM

I want to whine!

 :lol

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: WrikaWrek on June 03, 2008, 06:03:58 PM

I have no use for the figure either. I'll either leave it on the box, or....give it to some kid, maybe my cousin.

I'm paying for the extra disc and soundtrack.

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Mupepe on June 03, 2008, 06:28:16 PM

why not give it to me?

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: WrikaWrek on June 03, 2008, 06:49:31 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on June 03, 2008, 06:28:16 PM

why not give it to me?

Because i'm not that nice of a guy.

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: Mupepe on June 03, 2008, 07:01:15 PM

i'll pick it up from your house and J you O

Title: Re: MGS4 THREAD OF PEE PEE, POO POO and Anti-MGS Troll TEARS
Post by: WrikaWrek on June 03, 2008, 08:11:39 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on June 03, 2008, 07:01:15 PM

i'll pick it up from your house and J you O

(http://i11.tinypic.com/4vdrt7c.gif)

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Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 03, 2008, 08:41:36 PM

Sooo... Famitsu's review of MGS4 should be in this week's issue...

I'm sure others will laugh at me for this, but I really look forward to Groo, Lyte and Duckroll delivering the weekly Famitsu news on Tuesday evenings.

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Post by: The Sceneman on June 03, 2008, 08:45:39 PM

 I preodered a copy, and I dont even own a PS3!

Im borrowing a PS3 and lending them the game once Im done as payment for the borrow. I'll want the game back so I can look at it

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Post by: ferrarimanf355 on June 03, 2008, 08:57:53 PM

Quote from: WrikaWrek on June 03, 2008, 08:13:24 AM

(http://i32.tinypic.com/2uo3pci.jpg)
(http://i29.tinypic.com/wa38th.jpg)


 :D

That figure comes with the package? $85 justified. :D

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Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 03, 2008, 09:03:03 PM

Quote from: ferrarimanf355 on June 03, 2008, 08:57:53 PM

Quote from: WrikaWrek on June 03, 2008, 08:13:24 AM

(http://i32.tinypic.com/2uo3pci.jpg)
(http://i29.tinypic.com/wa38th.jpg)


 :D

That figure comes with the package? $85 justified. :D

The figure can be purchased for $15 in stores.

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Post by: Draft on June 03, 2008, 09:13:41 PM

I have only two video game toys, which both shame me greatly as physical manifestations of my gaming faggotness.

One is the Iron Maiden/Regenerator from RE4. I bought it from a Spencers last year because it was in the bargain bin.

The other a clear Grey Fox/Ninja from MGS1. It's dusty as hell and the sword's gotten kind of warped, but I've had it for like 8 years, and I will cherish it forever.

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Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 03, 2008, 09:33:08 PM

The majority of my anime/gaming toys are in my office at work (I work at an elementary school, the kids think they're great). The only things I have here at home are all in the den: Perfect Grade Zeta Gundam model, a Grey Fox/Ninja Kubrick (as seen in my avatar), a stuffed Dragon Quest Slime, and a stuffed Totoro.

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Post by: BlueTsunami on June 03, 2008, 10:54:56 PM

(http://www.imageox.com/image/274967-basiccontr.jpg) (http://www.imageox.com/share/274967-basiccontr.jpg)

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Post by: duckman2000 on June 04, 2008, 12:23:19 AM

I don't think it counts as a gaming "toy", but I have this awesome, 20" ceramic Cheshire Cat from Alice.

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Post by: Bloodwake on June 04, 2008, 01:38:21 AM

holy shit that action figure comes with it yes yes yes

game of the year? probably.

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Post by: Trent Dole on June 04, 2008, 03:35:50 PM

Quote from: distantmantra on June 03, 2008, 08:41:36 PM

Sooo... Famitsu's review of MGS4 should be in this week's issue...

I'm sure others will laugh at me for this, but I really look forward to Groo, Lyte and Duckroll delivering the weekly Famitsu news on Tuesday evenings.

According to Kotaco they gave it a perfect score of 40.  :o

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Post by: Crushed on June 04, 2008, 07:19:38 PM

[youtube=425,350]HLIEiPjCpsw[/youtube]

Did you rike Metal Gear Solid Cuatro

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Post by: duckman2000 on June 04, 2008, 07:21:31 PM

That's really cringe worthy, in every way from content to delivery and timing. Nothing more embarrassing than a nerd trying to be funny.

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Post by: Crushed on June 05, 2008, 04:18:43 PM

well fuck i just read some of the spoilers leaked with the strategy guide


goddamn it kojima this spiral into fanservice and "tying things together" by putting established characters into different scenarios for no reason started in mgs3, went over the top in mpo, and it's way too stupid here

fuck it, not every goddamn character has to have been involved with every little thing

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Post by: Kyle on June 05, 2008, 04:51:40 PM

is this for real ?

Quote from: neofaq

Oh great, i'm one step away from becoming an internet celeb -_-

BTW, finished act 2, if the game continues to be this fucking awesome, I might just faint from all the blood going to my penis.

Also, I was having trouble, because I was using one hand, and I don't normally do that so yeah.

Also to confirm, there is loading before each act, loading being about 3 mins each, lets call it a coffee/tea break.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11469387&postcount=13

god fuck no, i want to buy this game before i sell my PS3. this is worse than swapping discs on 360.  :-\

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Post by: Positive Touch on June 05, 2008, 05:08:47 PM

crushed nooo ;_;

i'm getting worried that this game will be more MGS2 and less MGS3

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Post by: BlueTsunami on June 05, 2008, 05:52:21 PM

I think if the acts are split up correctly, the loading times between each act won't be too bad. Sounds as though its really set up like an interactive movie :lol . Its all good though MGS4 :bow

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Post by: fistfulofmetal on June 05, 2008, 06:22:59 PM

Hey Crushed
http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3?http://download.gamevideos.com/Podcasts/Retronauts/060508.mp3
Retronauts Metal Gear retrospective.

They reference your post about at Gaf where you go through all the dumb shit Big Boss did in MGS3

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Post by: Narag on June 05, 2008, 06:25:11 PM

Quote from: Kyle on June 05, 2008, 04:51:40 PM

is this for real ?

Quote from: neofaq

Oh great, i'm one step away from becoming an internet celeb -_-

BTW, finished act 2, if the game continues to be this fucking awesome, I might just faint from all the blood going to my penis.

Also, I was having trouble, because I was using one hand, and I don't normally do that so yeah.

Also to confirm, there is loading before each act, loading being about 3 mins each, lets call it a coffee/tea break.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11469387&postcount=13

god fuck no, i want to buy this game before i sell my PS3. this is worse than swapping discs on 360.  :-\

The moment I heard about the installation between acts, the first thing I thought of was it had been designed for a possible (5 disc) 360 release.  :(

Oops, I meant to add  if it underperformed.

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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 05, 2008, 06:35:49 PM

It's funny people are worried about 3-minute installs every x hours, because I have my computer set up to enforce a 3-minute break every hour, otherwise my eyes, wrists and brain start getting fucked up after a while.

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Post by: FancyFeast on June 05, 2008, 06:42:19 PM

There will be spoilers.

Poor Evilore, he was asking for it.    :lol

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Post by: Crushed on June 05, 2008, 06:44:42 PM

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on June 05, 2008, 06:22:59 PM

Hey Crushed
http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3?http://download.gamevideos.com/Podcasts/Retronauts/060508.mp3
Retronauts Metal Gear retrospective.

They reference your post about at Gaf where you go through all the dumb shit Big Boss did in MGS3

What part?

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Post by: duckman2000 on June 05, 2008, 06:46:04 PM

Anyone who deliberately and actively seeks to spoil the gaming experiences of others is a genuine scumbag who desperately needs to distance him/herself from the whole console wars shit because it's clearly starting to rot too deep. I don't give a fuck what game it is, it's just a prick thing to do.

That said, if it matters that much, these people should probably just stay the hell away from the internet, and certainly dedicated MGS4 threads, for the next few weeks.

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Post by: fistfulofmetal on June 05, 2008, 06:49:14 PM

Quote from: Crushed on June 05, 2008, 06:44:42 PM

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on June 05, 2008, 06:22:59 PM

Hey Crushed
http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3?http://download.gamevideos.com/Podcasts/Retronauts/060508.mp3
Retronauts Metal Gear retrospective.

They reference your post about at Gaf where you go through all the dumb shit Big Boss did in MGS3

What part?

maybe around 3/4ths in. When they start talking about MGS3

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Post by: pilonv1 on June 05, 2008, 07:29:12 PM

Quote from: FancyFeast on June 05, 2008, 06:42:19 PM

There will be spoilers.

Poor Evilore, he was asking for it.    :lol

i am looking forward to this shitstorm

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Post by: Crushed on June 05, 2008, 11:24:53 PM

All I'm gonna say is this: Kojima's going to be walking a very fine line here.

If he pulls this off, it will be great. If it's not done correctly, it'll seem utterly distinguished mentally-challenged and will only seem "good" to dumbasses like Shane Bettenhausen.

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Post by: demi on June 05, 2008, 11:51:56 PM

Just read the synopsis

Shit game

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Post by: Crushed on June 06, 2008, 12:01:15 AM

you hate every game

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Post by: Trent Dole on June 06, 2008, 12:05:48 AM

So like, is there anything worth giving a shit about out next week?

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Post by: FatalT on June 06, 2008, 12:29:56 AM

I was pretty excited for MGS4 but after reading the synopsis, my excitement has been killed.

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Post by: Narag on June 06, 2008, 12:34:59 AM

Could someone point the way to this synopsis?

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Post by: Crushed on June 06, 2008, 12:56:53 AM

okay, just saw a photobucket full of pics of the whole game

welp, mgs now sucks



holy fucking shit kojima, you did the exact opposite thing you should have done


fuck this game


fuck it and fuck kojima


fuck it forever




holy shit


you guys wanna know


i'll post the two worst ones in huge ol' spoiler tags, no chance of anyone who doesn't want to know can see them

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Raiden's head gets sewn back onto his normal body.


FUCK WHAT

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Big Boss has been kept in a coma, and at the end of the game he wakes up and he and Snake talk in that cemetery right when Snake is about to shoot himself.

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....i am just in awe at how royally kojima has just disregarded the plots of every other metal gear, and fucked over the entire significance of the main themes in mgs1 and mgs2


just wow



i am keeping this avatar as mourning for the series




rip mgs november 2001

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Post by: Narag on June 06, 2008, 12:59:01 AM

spoiler (click to show/hide)

hahaha Jesus christ. People were expecting the second but fuck that. The series hit its dramatic highpoint with 3 and Solid was always an iffy character.

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I'd like the full synopsis too, Crushed.

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Post by: Crushed on June 06, 2008, 01:01:07 AM

Quote from: Groo on June 06, 2008, 12:58:32 AM

:lol

Give me the full synopsis.
No way I'm gonna play it anyway. I just want lulz at this point.

I don't have the whole synopsis.


Here's the Photobucket.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://s285.photobucket.com/albums/ll50/paulhorton/

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spoiler (click to show/hide)

Franken-Raiden and his shithead son (AWWW HE'S LIKE A LITTLE RAIDEN [barf])]
http://s285.photobucket.com/albums/ll50/paulhorton/?action=view&current=DSCF0075.jpg
http://s285.photobucket.com/albums/ll50/paulhorton/?action=view&current=DSCF0076.jpg

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This is like when the Cobra unit characters leaked out, times a thousand.

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Post by: Narag on June 06, 2008, 01:04:49 AM

haha

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I saw DSCF0076.jpg before DSCF0075.jpg and wondered why L was helping Raiden. :(

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 06, 2008, 01:20:09 AM

Crushed...honestly?

Jesus man, take a fucking chill.  MGS games are always stupid story wise, why is this any different?  It'll still be cool.

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Post by: Crushed on June 06, 2008, 01:21:34 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on June 06, 2008, 01:20:09 AM

MGS games are always stupid story wise, why is this any different?

There is a difference between "Tom Clancy/comic book" style melodrama and "jumping the shark, disregarding of everything that made the past games good."

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Post by: Crushed on June 06, 2008, 01:33:51 AM

oh god it gets worse

spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v485/Kiyashi916/MGS4%20LE%20Guide/

Ocelot was faking, Liquid never lived on through an arm, it was all an act
Meryl gets married to Johnny Sasaski
Snake lives

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Post by: Narag on June 06, 2008, 01:43:01 AM

Quote from: Crushed on June 06, 2008, 01:33:51 AM

oh god it gets worse

spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v485/Kiyashi916/MGS4%20LE%20Guide/

Ocelot was faking, Liquid never lived on through an arm, it was all an act
Meryl gets married to Johnny Sasaski
Snake lives

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spoiler (click to show/hide)

Didn't his voice change when Liquid took control in 2 ...?

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Post by: Crushed on June 06, 2008, 01:47:52 AM

Quote from: Narag on June 06, 2008, 01:43:01 AM

Quote from: Crushed on June 06, 2008, 01:33:51 AM

oh god it gets worse

spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v485/Kiyashi916/MGS4%20LE%20Guide/

Ocelot was faking, Liquid never lived on through an arm, it was all an act
Meryl gets married to Johnny Sasaski
Snake lives

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spoiler (click to show/hide)

Didn't his voice change when Liquid took control in 2 ...?

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spoiler (click to show/hide)

nanomachines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

also: colonel got married to rose

that's why raiden's a cyborg, he's emo

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Post by: bork on June 06, 2008, 01:53:28 AM

Crushed, please tell me you're just kidding.  About everything.   :-\

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Post by: Crushed on June 06, 2008, 01:55:57 AM

Quote from: It's Betty Now. on June 06, 2008, 01:53:28 AM

Crushed, please tell me you're just kidding.  About everything.   :-\

Nope. All real.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Ocelot, despite being a horrible person who enjoys torture and kills innocent people for fun, is actually a hero because he shuts down the SOP system and makes it impossible for the world to fight... at least until SOP gets removed and everyone goes back to killing each other.

SO SNAKE WAS THE VILLAIN THE WHOLE TIMES!?!??@?!?!??!/1/1/1//1/1/  :piss2

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Post by: FatalT on June 06, 2008, 01:59:45 AM

Quote from: It's Betty Now. on June 06, 2008, 01:53:28 AM

Crushed, please tell me you're just kidding.  About everything.   :-\

I wish it was all a joke. I wish these were fake spoilers, but nope. Real deal. Ugh.

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 06, 2008, 09:28:53 AM

I still say this is just par for the course for the Metal Gear series.  It's ALWAYS been convoluted and iffy, but its still interesting and has carried the series together very well.

It's going to be an awesome game.

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Post by: Trent Dole on June 06, 2008, 11:24:08 AM

Haha, wow. I'm glad I said 'Fuck this series' after the ridiculousness of MGS2.

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Post by: Crushed on June 06, 2008, 11:25:28 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on June 06, 2008, 09:28:53 AM

I still say this is just par for the course for the Metal Gear series.  It's ALWAYS been convoluted and iffy, but its still interesting and has carried the series together very well.

I'm not mad over the convolution or far-outness of it. I'm upset that it reeks of sloppy writing, retcons, and reset buttons.