THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: MrAngryFace on June 28, 2007, 11:17:04 AM
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19475846/
WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court on Thursday rejected school diversity plans that take account of students’ race in two major public school districts.
The decision in cases affecting schools in Louisville, Ky., and Seattle could imperil similar plans in hundreds of districts nationwide, and it leaves public school systems with a limited arsenal to maintain racial diversity.
The court split, 5-4, with Chief Justice John Roberts announcing the court’s judgment. Justice Stephen Breyer wrote a dissent that was joined by the court’s other three liberals.
Anyone recall what the propsal from Seattle and Louisville was? I mean if it 'went to far' I wonder what it entailed.
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There are probably better ways of making sure public schools get sorted into de facto racial or class categories, like mixed zoning, but those might be even more unpopular with white, suburban parents.
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But but but, how will minorities get a chance. Everyone knows that giving minorities an extra hand is the only fair way to get them into college.
Seriously it should be illegal for an application to even ask what race you are. I have a dream that one day people in our nation will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
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But but but, how will minorities get a chance. Everyone knows that giving minorities an extra hand is the only fair way to get them into college.
Seriously it should be illegal for an application to even ask what race you are. I have a dream that one day people in our nation will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character ... unless that skin color happens to be sandy brown and of middle eastern descent.
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Since when does religion = skin color?
And I do not make assumptions of individuals I'm just generalizing the whole religion. Which many people here do with Christianity. It's only fair.
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ARABS = MUSLIMS = TRRRSTS
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ARABS = MUSLIMS = TRRRSTS
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idk, that looks like he's jewin' him :-*
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But but but, how will minorities get a chance. Everyone knows that giving minorities an extra hand is the only fair way to get them into college.
Seriously it should be illegal for an application to even ask what race you are. I have a dream that one day people in our nation will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
yes, because one's race, which has historical ramifications, should never be entertained when deliberating over their acceptance to an institution of higher learning.
blacks, who still feel the residual effect of slavery, don't require assistance in overcoming ingrained inequities that only just began to recede 40 years ago.
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ARABS = MUSLIMS = TRRRSTS
(http://robojimbo.googlepages.com/nintenhoandfriend.gif)
idk, that looks like he's jewin' him :-*
:lol :lol :lol
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yes, because one's race, which has historical ramifications, should never be entertained when deliberating over their acceptance to an institution of higher learning.
blacks, who still feel the residual effect of slavery, don't require assistance in overcoming ingrained inequities that only just began to recede 40 years ago.
You know there are more poor white people than black people who deserve a haleping hand just as much. I say forget about what color people's skin is and just accept them based on merit. But I guess that would make too much sense.
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yes, because one's race, which has historical ramifications, should never be entertained when deliberating over their acceptance to an institution of higher learning.
blacks, who still feel the residual effect of slavery, don't require assistance in overcoming ingrained inequities that only just began to recede 40 years ago.
You know there are more poor white people than black people who deserve a haleping hand just as much. I say forget about what color people's skin is and just accept them based on merit. But I guess that would make too much sense.
last i checked, poor whites weren't denied the right to read or write english.
poor whites weren't denied equal housing protection.
poor whites weren't denied access to adequate healthcare.
over 40 years ago, poor whites could attend any college of their choosing, provided they had the money.
don't talk to me about poor whites.
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last i checked, poor whites weren't denied the right to read or write english.
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Nobody that is living is being denied the right to read or write.
poor whites weren't denied equal housing protection.
poor whites weren't denied access to adequate healthcare.
over 40 years ago, poor whites could attend any college of their choosing, provided they had the money.
:lol Are you really that distinguished mentally-challenged. There are so many poor people that couldn't afford shit. Black, white, green purple, whatever.
Basically your argument amounts to. My daddy had it rough which makes it impossible for me to succeed without help. Well guess what. Lots of people had it rough growing up. The great depression hurt most of the country. And unless you were specifically denied rights (not your father or grandfather) then I don't see how you deserve anything extra.
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ARABS = MUSLIMS = TRRRSTS
(http://robojimbo.googlepages.com/nintenhoandfriend.gif)
idk, that looks like he's jewin' him :-*
So it does. It's like the two conflicting facets of jewdom.
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ARABS = MUSLIMS = TRRRSTS
(http://robojimbo.googlepages.com/nintenhoandfriend.gif)
idk, that looks like he's jewin' him :-*
So it does. It's like the two conflicting facets of jewdom.
maybe the guy on the left is a muzzi and the jew on the right is refusing to pay him his wages for taking him to akalakjgl;agmsdgm (some ME city) and then the muzzi gets pissed, goes "alalalalalalalalala" and runs him and his camel into the jew's house
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last i checked, poor whites weren't denied the right to read or write english.
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Nobody that is living is being denied the right to read or write.
poor whites weren't denied equal housing protection.
poor whites weren't denied access to adequate healthcare.
over 40 years ago, poor whites could attend any college of their choosing, provided they had the money.
:lol Are you really that distinguished mentally-challenged. There are so many poor people that couldn't afford shit. Black, white, green purple, whatever.
Basically your argument amounts to. My daddy had it rough which makes it impossible for me to succeed without help. Well guess what. Lots of people had it rough growing up. The great depression hurt most of the country. And unless you were specifically denied rights (not your father or grandfather) then I don't see how you deserve anything extra.
blacks were denied the right to read and write.
blacks were systemically disenfranchised, refused access to institutions that even poor whites encountered no restrictions to.
my point is, slavery -- and the subsequent institutional racism visited upon the black african and his african-american descendants -- still impacts a black community that has no sound economic footing in this country.
it was only 40 years ago that blacks were given the right to vote.
the idea that blacks and whites are on a level playing field is fantasy concocted by those, like yourself, who'd rather live in a color-blind world that doesn't hold the privileged class accountable for their passive role in the continued oppression of the black american.
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Dude lots of people were denied shit along time ago. Yes it sucks. But guess what. There are lots of minorities who overcame the difficulties of their parents to attend college.
the idea that blacks and whites are on a level playing field is fantasy concocted by those, like yourself, who'd rather live in a color-blind world that doesn't hold the privileged class accountable for their passive role in the continued oppression of the black american.
No I would rather live in a world where people are not judged by the color of their skin. The only thing that should matter when applying to college is your acedemics.
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The Roberts court so far has totally sucked ass.
Having lived in a rural Mississippi town where it took a court order-in 1988 no less-to integrate the more wealthy "county" school district (mostly whites) and near-impoverished "city" school district (mostly blacks), I can say without a doubt that all this is going to do is ensure that white people can move into a area with a overwhelmingly white population and know that their children go to a school with mostly white people. Any plan to better integrate the schools would get struck down.
Judge Roberts and crew are just ensuring that white flight is more attractive than ever. Who wouldn't want their kids to go to the best public schools?
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The Roberts court so far has totally sucked ass.
Tell me about it. These rulings suck ass so far.
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I dont know the exact ruling from this court, but I grew up in Baton Rouge. The city went through alot of this when Iw as there. My elementary school was a 45 min bus ride away in the middle of a crack neighborhood. I shit you not. There were a couple of drug busts that we could see out the school window.
Now, my family was never rich growing up, but we lived in a nice neighbor hood with great schools. The only problem was that we wernt allowed to go to the schools that we could get to by bike. No, for the sake of Diversity we had to travel to the other side of town.
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Areas north of Seattle could probably use a little push in terms of diversity. I have to drive to downtown Seattle or Tacoma to see a black person most of the time. Really sad.Area north of Seattle could probably use a little push in terms of diversity. I have to drive to downtown Seattle or Tacoma to see a black person most of the time. Really sad.
Flame: These kinds of rules and regulations exist because people CANNOT BE TRUSTED to ignore race. Just cause an application ignores race doesnt mean the establishment will.
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I dont know the exact ruling from this court, but I grew up in Baton Rouge. The city went through alot of this when Iw as there. My elementary school was a 45 min bus ride away in the middle of a crack neighborhood. I shit you not. There were a couple of drug busts that we could see out the school window.
Now, my family was never rich growing up, but we lived in a nice neighbor hood with great schools. The only problem was that we wernt allowed to go to the schools that we could get to by bike. No, for the sake of Diversity we had to travel to the other side of town.
Well, if such programs resulted in gems of humanity as yourself, perhaps we SHOULD be rethinking them.
My high school was an m to m (majority to minority) program as well, meaning that we had a lot of kids bussed in from the inner city to our school. The school was also about as close to a private school in quality as you could get in a public school, as it was in a very rich, heavily Jewish neighborhood. Countless black students got opportunities to enrich their lives by attending our school that they NEVER would have gotten had they gone to the shithole school down the street from where they lived.
Basically, I think this is just further proof that you're a racist shithead. But go ahead and tell us about Token, your good black friend.
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You think there are people in the admissions office that deny people because they are black? WTF. Yea right they would lose their jobs faster than a heart beat.
My idea is just make it illegal for an employer or a college to ask about race.
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yup, it's always about OH TEH NO WHITE KIDS HAFTA GO TO NIG'R SCHOOLS not OH YAY, BLACK KIDS ARE FINALLY GETTING A CHANCE AT WHITEY SCHOOLS
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No they wouldnt lose their jobs because RACISTS STICK TOGETHER
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I dont know the exact ruling from this court, but I grew up in Baton Rouge. The city went through alot of this when Iw as there. My elementary school was a 45 min bus ride away in the middle of a crack neighborhood. I shit you not. There were a couple of drug busts that we could see out the school window.
Now, my family was never rich growing up, but we lived in a nice neighbor hood with great schools. The only problem was that we wernt allowed to go to the schools that we could get to by bike. No, for the sake of Diversity we had to travel to the other side of town.
Well, if such programs resulted in gems of humanity as yourself, perhaps we SHOULD be rethinking them.
My high school was an m to m (majority to minority) program as well, meaning that we had a lot of kids bussed in from the inner city to our school. The school was also about as close to a private school in quality as you could get in a public school, as it was in a very rich, heavily Jewish neighborhood. Countless black students got opportunities to enrich their lives by attending our school that they NEVER would have gotten had they gone to the shithole school down the street from where they lived.
Basically, I think this is just further proof that you're a racist shithead. But go ahead and tell us about Token, your good black friend.
Maybe they should improve the shit-hole school so people who cant be bused in dont have to have a poor education?
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I dont know the exact ruling from this court, but I grew up in Baton Rouge. The city went through alot of this when Iw as there. My elementary school was a 45 min bus ride away in the middle of a crack neighborhood. I shit you not. There were a couple of drug busts that we could see out the school window.
Now, my family was never rich growing up, but we lived in a nice neighbor hood with great schools. The only problem was that we wernt allowed to go to the schools that we could get to by bike. No, for the sake of Diversity we had to travel to the other side of town.
Well, if such programs resulted in gems of humanity as yourself, perhaps we SHOULD be rethinking them.
My high school was an m to m (majority to minority) program as well, meaning that we had a lot of kids bussed in from the inner city to our school. The school was also about as close to a private school in quality as you could get in a public school, as it was in a very rich, heavily Jewish neighborhood. Countless black students got opportunities to enrich their lives by attending our school that they NEVER would have gotten had they gone to the shithole school down the street from where they lived.
Basically, I think this is just further proof that you're a racist shithead. But go ahead and tell us about Token, your good black friend.
Maybe they should improve the shit-hole school so people who cant be bused in dont have to have a poor education?
Maybe they have a hard time because good teachers DON'T WANT TO TEACH THERE, you fucking ignoramus.
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Maybe they have a hard time because good teachers DON'T WANT TO TEACH THERE, you fucking ignoramus.
Why would that be?
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because white parents flee to another suburb without busing and refuse to accept reality, instead of putting money and effort into fixing the school? OH NO, THINK OF THE WHITE CHILDREN
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The school I went to in Baton Rouge was practically segregated within the school anyway. There was a gifted and talented program which was 99% white and then the "non gifted talented" which was 99% black. Thus defeating the purpose of the program anyway.
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because white parents refuse to accept the reality and flee to another suburb without busing instead of putting money and effort into fixing the school? OH NO, THINK OF THE WHITE CHILDREN
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What?
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I need to just start posting:
:lol :lol
What?
when im losing a debate.
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because white parents refuse to accept the reality and flee to another suburb without busing instead of putting money and effort into fixing the school? OH NO, THINK OF THE WHITE CHILDREN
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What?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight
Wow, your parents were too dumb to do that? Says a lot.
Also reminds me of David Cross doing his bit on people liking the suburbs:
"I like it out here... you know, it stays whiter outside later, if you catch mah drift."
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I'm not losing. Though, I just dont understand what the hell he said.
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allow me to break it down for you, futami-style:
whities are told to integrate.
whities go I WILL NOT HAVE MY PRECIOUS WHITE CHILDREN NEAR THOSE VIOLENT DARKIES and I AM NOT PAYING MY HARD-EARNED MONEY TO HELP THOSE VIOLENT DARKIES
whities pack it up and flee to a suburb with less/no busing requirements
darkies continues to get no money, no good teachers, and no support
thus, the cycle of poverty continues
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I'm not losing. Though, I just dont understand what the hell he said.
Yeah... that's a clear sign that you're losing. Another would be whenever you start talking.
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So its the fault of people moving to the suburbs?? Damn those suburbs.
I bet if each school had the same amount of people from all races the world would have no problems at all. :dur
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The same thing's..kinda happening here. There's a ton of asians so there's a white flight from this district and another school in my district had the large majority (%60-%70) asian and that made a such a big impact on white's moving away that it was on cnn. There are just a lot of racists. It's not the education they're worried about (that stereotype is true about most asians here) but they just don't want to live around mostly asians and have their kids have asian friends.
For the record, my district was actually said by the wall street journal to be the best place in the world to live if you have kids. BUT WHITE PEOPLE HATE IT.
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Whites hate asians!!! I knew it. I bet they are fearing for their lives. What with all the violent asians out there.
Yall are so fucking distinguished mentally-challenged. Suburbia has very very little to do with race and more with people being able to commute to work and owning their own land and house.
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Dude lots of people were denied shit along time ago. Yes it sucks. But guess what. There are lots of minorities who overcame the difficulties of their parents to attend college.
the idea that blacks and whites are on a level playing field is fantasy concocted by those, like yourself, who'd rather live in a color-blind world that doesn't hold the privileged class accountable for their passive role in the continued oppression of the black american.
No I would rather live in a world where people are not judged by the color of their skin. The only thing that should matter when applying to college is your acedemics.
we should weigh the external factors that bear down on one's academic performance, factors that are directly attributable to slavery.
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Dude lots of people were denied shit along time ago. Yes it sucks. But guess what. There are lots of minorities who overcame the difficulties of their parents to attend college.
the idea that blacks and whites are on a level playing field is fantasy concocted by those, like yourself, who'd rather live in a color-blind world that doesn't hold the privileged class accountable for their passive role in the continued oppression of the black american.
No I would rather live in a world where people are not judged by the color of their skin. The only thing that should matter when applying to college is your acedemics.
we should weigh the external factors that bear down on one's academic performance, factors that are directly attributable to slavery.
Yes because we should all be judged on what happened to our for fathers. ::)
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Areas north of Seattle could probably use a little push in terms of diversity. I have to drive to downtown Seattle or Tacoma to see a black person most of the time. Really sad.Area north of Seattle could probably use a little push in terms of diversity. I have to drive to downtown Seattle or Tacoma to see a black person most of the time. Really sad.
Flame: These kinds of rules and regulations exist because people CANNOT BE TRUSTED to ignore race. Just cause an application ignores race doesnt mean the establishment will.
exactly.
would you honestly expect someone like flame, who appears to be a racist, to be fair when having to choose between a white guy and a black guy?
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I'm not fucking racist. Yall are just distinguished mentally-challenged.
BUT WHITE PEOPLE HATE IT.
If anything this is a racist comment. Here watch me make a similar statment that isnt true.
BLACK PEOPLE DONT KNOW HOW TO READ.
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Whites hate asians!!! I knew it. I bet they are fearing for their lives. What with all the violent asians out there.
Yall are so fucking distinguished mentally-challenged. Suburbia has very very little to do with race and more with people being able to commute to work and owning their own land and house.
Did you even READ that wiki article I posted? Man. Of course you didn't, it disagrees with your preconceived notions of things. Christ you're stupid.
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okay, there is a trend of WHITE people moving out. EVERYBODY else is moving in, it's not just asians but anybody with a family. Living here isn't cheap, but they want to live here because it's a very good neighborhood. The fact that it's not a white majority and that you can very easily go to another city where there is a white majority is making racist whites move out. IS THAT SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YOU?
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Futami let me ask you this. Lets pretend 2 people are applying to college.
Person A is a minority with good grades. He attends a good school and has average SAT scores.
Person B is not a minority. He attends a good school and has some decent extra curricular activity and above average SAT scores.
Should Person A be picked over B because their is a history of slavery in person As distant past? That isn't very fair to person B, now is it? Person B didn't do anything wrong.
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Whites hate asians!!! I knew it. I bet they are fearing for their lives. What with all the violent asians out there.
Yall are so fucking distinguished mentally-challenged. Suburbia has very very little to do with race and more with people being able to commute to work and owning their own land and house.
Did you even READ that wiki article I posted? Man. Of course you didn't, it disagrees with your preconceived notions of things. Christ you're stupid.
Yes I read it, and to some extent it might be true. But there are alot more reasons people moved to the suburbs than "OMG THE WHITE MAN IS RACIST"
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Dude lots of people were denied shit along time ago. Yes it sucks. But guess what. There are lots of minorities who overcame the difficulties of their parents to attend college.
the idea that blacks and whites are on a level playing field is fantasy concocted by those, like yourself, who'd rather live in a color-blind world that doesn't hold the privileged class accountable for their passive role in the continued oppression of the black american.
No I would rather live in a world where people are not judged by the color of their skin. The only thing that should matter when applying to college is your acedemics.
we should weigh the external factors that bear down on one's academic performance, factors that are directly attributable to slavery.
Yes because we should all be judged on what happened to our for fathers. ::)
you act as if the vestigial remnants of slavery haven't had a significant impact on the mobility of the black community, that the disproportionate poverty suffered by that community isn't a result of slavery and its residue.
i hate people who think in absolutes.
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you act as if the vestigial remnants of haven't had a significant impact on the mobility of the black community, that the disproportionate poverty suffered by that community isn't a result of slavery and its residue.
i hate people who think in absolutes.
I don't think in absolutes. The majority of the time the answer is not simple. Again I'm going to ask this queastion about 2 people applying to college.
Person A is a minority with good grades. He attends a good school and has average SAT scores.
Person B is not a minority. He attends a good school and has some decent extra curricular activity and above average SAT scores.
Should Person A be picked over B because their is a history of slavery in person As distant past? That isn't very fair to person B, now is it? Person B didn't do anything wrong.
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Also, slavery happened 150 years ago. Do some peope still feel the affects, yea maybe but that doesnt prevent alot of people from becoming something. Like I have beens aying, there are way way more poor white people than poor black people. Should they get a helping hand because their family history wasnt ideal?
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everyone's a little bit racist...sometimes!
except for FoC who's a lot racist all the time
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ALL MIDDLE EASTERNERS HATE AMERICA AND ARE TERRISTS!!! <chews on toenails>
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::) ::)
I never said that TVC and you know it.
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well actually most white students are considered stupid where I am so they may move away to somewhere..less picky.
http://ronbosoldier.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2005-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&updated-max=2006-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=33
I refer you to a Nov. 19 story in the Wall Street Journal. Reporter Suein Hwang interviewed white parents who are pulling their kids out of elite public high schools, schools known for sending graduates to the nation's top colleges. They are doing this, writes Hwang, because the schools are too academically rigorous, too narrowly focused on subjects like math and science.
BUBUBUB MOST WHITE PEOPLE AREN'T RACIST!
Yes, you read right. Hwang reports that since 1995, the number of white students at Lynbrook High in San Jose has fallen by almost half. At Monta Vista High in Cupertino, white students now make up less than a third of the population.
THAT'S A COINCIDENCE.
Which plays, of course, into the old stereotype of the hyper-competitive Asian. But the new white flight has also given rise to a new stereotype one educator calls "the white boy syndrome." It says that white kids don't have it between the ears.
The irony speaks for itself.
I have no idea why Asian kids tend to lap the field, academically speaking. I do know it has nothing to do with the simple fact of being Asian, any more than the fact of being black makes you a great basketball player. To attain proficiency in any field, it helps to want that proficiency and to belong to a culture that rewards it. We strive for the things we deem important.
obviously the different culture changed the school system.
In recent years, I've taught writing at an elite public high school and three universities. And I've been appalled how often I've encountered students who simply could not put a sentence together, had no conception of basic grammar and punctuation. They tell me I'm a tough grader. "I've always gotten A's before," sniffed one girl to whom I thought I was being generous in awarding a C-plus.
It occurs to me that this is the fruit of our dumbing down education in the name of "self-esteem." This is what we get for making the work easier instead of demanding the students work harder--and the parents be more involved.
if foc doesn't get a ban or leper out of this then the mods just aren't doing their jobs.
and they should tak foc's cock in their ass.
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Shock! people do distinguished mentally-challenged things after a national tragedy.
well actually most white students are considered stupid where I am so they may move away to somewhere..less picky.
Yes becuase the above statement is not racist at all. Here I can play that game too. Most black students are blah blah blah.
In recent years, I've taught writing at an elite public high school and three universities. And I've been appalled how often I've encountered students who simply could not put a sentence together, had no conception of basic grammar and punctuation. They tell me I'm a tough grader. "I've always gotten A's before," sniffed one girl to whom I thought I was being generous in awarding a C-plus.
It occurs to me that this is the fruit of our dumbing down education in the name of "self-esteem." This is what we get for making the work easier instead of demanding the students work harder--and the parents be more involved.
This is a hue problem with the education system in general. I fail to see how race has anything to do with it.
I have no idea why Asian kids tend to lap the field, academically speaking. I do know it has nothing to do with the simple fact of being Asian, any more than the fact of being black makes you a great basketball player. To attain proficiency in any field, it helps to want that proficiency and to belong to a culture that rewards it. We strive for the things we deem important.
And how are people going to strive for something if it's handed to them?
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People who dont believe racism is an important problem, or ignore that it exsists are just as bad as racists.
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The teacher's aren't really being racist. There's MOSTLY asian, so they raise the standard for the whole school. CULTURE can impact how much the students study. I know a lot of asians and it's true, the average asian studies much more than the average non-asian which IF YOU WERE NOT RACIST YOU WOULD HAVE GOTTEN FROM THE FUCKING ARTICLE.
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The teacher's aren't really being racist. There's MOSTLY asian, so they raise the standard for the whole school. CULTURE can impact how much the students study. I know a lot of asians and it's true, the average asian studies much more than the average non-asian which IF YOU WERE NOT RACIST YOU WOULD HAVE GOTTEN FROM THE FUCKING ARTICLE.
It has noyhing to do with race. Different cultures do things differently. There are smart and dumb white people, as well as smart and dumb asian people.
The fact that yall are calling me racist just means you dont know what racism really is. It trivializes the whole thing.
I wasn't calling the teachers racist. I was calling you racist, for saying that white people are stupid.
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maybe if a magical talking pinata explained racism to FoC he would actually listen for once
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In a complete different angle on things, here in Omaha they have passed a bill that will basically go back to segregation. In Omaha we have basically three different cultural divides that you can pratically draw lines with on a map. The Northeast of the city is predominately all black. The Southeast is were the Latino communtiy resides. Then the West (Northwest/Southwest) is where we have all the whiteys.
Well, the new districts that have been passed have been cut into three. Which also coincide with the racial desparity of the city. What's more interesting is that Ernie Chambers is the one who came up with it. He was a big civil rights activist and he is about as leftist as it comes. The man wears t-shirts and jeans to the State Senate. He basically is saying that the schools are so screwed up that why don't we just let "our people take care of their own".
Ernie Chambers
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/04/15/us/omaha190.jpg)
A couple of articles if anyone is interested...
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/education/jan-june06/omaha_05-31.html (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/education/jan-june06/omaha_05-31.html)
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8GVGPE80&show_article=1 (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8GVGPE80&show_article=1)
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B-b-b-but Ernie can't be racist. He's black.
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Hey! I was just going to mention Ernie! I was in Omaha when all that shit started going down, I sat and watched all of it on TV with my father-in-law, who's PR firm was involved in the situation.
My wife grew up in Omaha (went to Central High), and always tells me about the busing system they have to promote diversity in the schools.
As for the Seattle slant on the story:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/321632_race29.html
The Supreme Court on Thursday rejected diversity plans that take account of students' race for assignments in Seattle's public schools.
The decision, covering two similar cases involving the Seattle and Louisville, Ky., schools could imperil similar plans in hundreds of districts nationwide, and it leaves public school systems with a limited arsenal to maintain racial diversity.
The court split, 5-4, with Chief Justice John Roberts announcing the court's judgment.
"The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race," Roberts wrote for four of the court's nine justices. The ruling applies to school districts that aren't under a court order to remove the vestiges of past discrimination.
Justice Stephen Breyer wrote a dissent that was joined by the court's other three liberals. Breyer said the ruling would "threaten the promise" of the landmark 1954 Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation decision, and warned, "this is a decision that the court and the nation will come to regret."
Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote a concurring opinion in which he said race may be a component of school district plans designed to achieve diversity.
But he agreed with Roberts that the plans in Louisville and Seattle went too far. He said, however, that to the extent that Roberts' opinion could be interpreted as foreclosing the use of race in any circumstance, "I disagree with that reasoning."
Still, the decision strips school boards of a tool for offsetting the impact of racially divided housing patterns. Both sides say they don't know precisely how many school districts nationwide have similar rules, though lawyers say the practice is common, perhaps involving hundreds of districts and millions of children.
The two school systems in Thursday's decisions employ slightly different methods of taking students' race into account when determining which school they would attend.
Federal appeals courts had upheld both plans after some parents sued. The Bush administration took the parents' side, arguing that racial diversity is a noble goal but can be sought only through race-neutral means.
The Seattle case began when a group of parents formed Parents Involved in Community Schools and sued the district in 2000, claiming the policy of using race as a tiebreaker when determining school assignments was unfair and violated students' civil rights.
Kathleen Brose, whose daughter failed to get into highly regarded Ballard High School or her other two top choices because she was white, serves as the group's president and has continued to press the case, even after her daughter graduated from high school.
"I believed so much in what we are doing I just felt we had to win. The goal here is to make sure all kids have access to great schools," she said.
Seattle Public Schools is in the midst of revamping its process for assigning students to schools, and it was unclear Thursday morning how the ruling would affect the district's plans. School district officials were not available for comment Thursday morning, but scheduled a morning news conference to discuss the ruling.
The racial tiebreaker that the Supreme Court struck down Thursday hasn't been in use in Seattle Public Schools for more than five years.
The tiebreaker was part of a School Board decision in 1997 to allow the district's 46,000 students to attend a school of their choice. The assignment plan they adopted that year aimed to end the district's widely unpopular mandatory busing program and return to a neighborhood schools assignment plan, so students could attend school closer to home.
School officials considered a student's race as one of several tiebreakers at popular schools; their race was a factor if the student's attendance would help bring the high school closer to the district-wide average of about 40 percent white students. The tiebreaker helped some minority students get into predominately white high schools, and vice versa.
A student with a sibling at a school got first priority; a student's race was the second tiebreaker, followed by the distance a student lived from the school.
The district has defended the racial tiebreaker, arguing it is necessary to create more diverse schools in a city where many neighborhoods are still segregated.
The Seattle lawsuit accused the school district of violating the Constitution, the federal Civil Rights Act of 1964 and voter-approved Initiative 200, a state law prohibiting preferential treatment on the basis of race, ethnicity or gender.
The case challenged only the use of the racial tiebreaker for high-school assignments, but the district in 2002 suspended the use of the tiebreaker for all schools while the lawsuit worked its way through the courts.
Since then, the district has used the other tiebreakers, such as whether the student lived nearby or had any siblings attending the school, to determine assignments.
Enrollment records show the racial makeup at some Seattle high schools has changed since the district suspended the use of the racial tiebreaker. A few examples:
# At Ballard High School, white students made up slightly more than 58 percent of the student population in 2000; that rose to more than 62 percent in 2006.
# At Cleveland High School, the percentage of black students increased from 35 percent in 2000 to just over 59 percent last fall; during the same time period, the percentage of Asian students dropped from nearly 43 percent to just under 23 percent.
# At Franklin High School, white students made up about 23 percent of the population in 2000 and declined to just over 9 percent by 2006. Over the same time period, the percentage of Asian students at the school rose from about 39 percent to more than 48 percent.
Though they have defended the racial tiebreaker in court, Seattle district officials have declined to say whether the city's public schools would reinstitute the tiebreaker if the Supreme Court rules in the district's favor.
Louisville's schools spent 25 years under a court order to eliminate the effects of state-sponsored segregation. After a federal judge freed the Jefferson County, Ky., school board, which encompasses Louisville, from his supervision, the board decided to keep much of the court-ordered plan in place to prevent schools from re-segregating.
The lawyer for the Louisville system called the plan a success story that enjoys broad community support, including among parents of white and black students.
The opinion was the first on the divisive issue since 2003, when a 5-4 ruling upheld the limited consideration of race in college admissions to attain a diverse student body.
Since then, Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who approved of the limited use of race, retired. Her replacement, Justice Samuel Alito was in the majority that struck down the school system plans in Kentucky and Washington.
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YES LESS WHITE PEOPLE IN SCHOOLS!
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I like the idea of letting the student chose their school. It's actually very practical.
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nvm...
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It has noyhing to do with race. Different cultures do things differently. There are smart and dumb white people, as well as smart and dumb asian people.
The fact that yall are calling me racist just means you dont know what racism really is. It trivializes the whole thing.
I wasn't calling the teachers racist. I was calling you racist, for saying that white people are stupid.
the whole article explained very well that over here, there's A LOT of smart kids (vast majority of those are asian but we had an Indian valedictorian). White's don't have as much pressure to study as asians and indians so they move away. people DO move away because of changes brought on by a different race becoming the majority. I believe that you should force integration, there should be no reason that you be allowed to choose what type of school you go to depending on race.
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It has noyhing to do with race. Different cultures do things differently. There are smart and dumb white people, as well as smart and dumb asian people.
The fact that yall are calling me racist just means you dont know what racism really is. It trivializes the whole thing.
I wasn't calling the teachers racist. I was calling you racist, for saying that white people are stupid.
the whole article explained very well that over here, there's A LOT of smart kids (vast majority of those are asian but we had an Indian valedictorian). White's don't have as much pressure to study as asians and indians so they move away. people DO move away because of changes brought on by a different race becoming the majority. I believe that you should force integration, there should be no reason that you be allowed to choose what type of school you go to depending on race.
Are you saying that people shouldnt make judgements based on race! :o :o :o
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FoC, are you really this daft?
Do you know why Martin Luther King said, "I have a dream?"
BECAUSE REALITY IS FUCKING DIFFERENT YOU RACIST COCKSUCKER
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So he didn't want people to be judged on their character instead of their skin color? Ahh ok, his speech makes alot more sense.
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POP QUIZ:
Which of these lines is taken from MLK's famous "I have a dream" speech?
A) "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
B) "I want my four little children to be judged entirely by the content of their character from this day forth, because I know that there is no racism in America and they will be treated completely fairly."
C) "Kill all Muslim terrorists."
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So what King meant to say was
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. Untill they apply for a job or college."
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I have a dream that one day we will live in a forum where FoC is lepered if not completely banned.
According to your logic, my dream is now a reality! "One day" is now! Just by making the statement, I have willed it to be so.
Awesome news.
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I have a dream that one day Billy Rygar will have an ice cream sandwich! Let us know how it tastes!
Man, I can't believe I was a member of the reality-based community for so long. Now I'm a DREAM WARRIOR! Like FoC!
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I have a dream that one day we will live in a forum where FoC is lepered if not completely banned.
According to your logic, my dream is now a reality! "One day" is now! Just by making the statement, I have willed it to be so.
Awesome news.
+1
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id leper him if I could, but thats in willco's domain
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Yall don't even debate the points you just sit there and try to attack me for my views. It's impossible to have any kind of civil discourse here.
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Every race was treated badly to varying degrees when first entering our society. I would definitely agree blacks had it the worst outside of Native Americans, but Asians had it pretty bad too. They were widely persecuted, and had unjust laws passed to discourage them from integration. Should they be given privileges too despite the fact they have managed to do very well for themselves?
If we were to grant privileges based on how people were mistreated by society in the past, you'd have to create a tier of races related to how badly they were treated, which seems like it'd be wholly inefficient at curing society's problems.
While I am not in favor of any such entitlements, I think the ideal system of AA would be implementing it based on economic class.
While I consider it amoral, I have no qualms with private universities making admissions based on race or whatever criteria they wish. Public schools and state schools should not engage though.
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B-B-B-but That's racist.
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yeah I agreed with implementing it by economic class and foc somehow didn't understand it.
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I don't think what I've said is racist in the least, but I don't have any problem with being branded a racist. If my reputation has to suffer for the sake of my ability to speak what I believe is true, whatever.
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yeah I agreed with implementing it by economic class and foc somehow didn't understand it.
I never saw you post that. Probably mixed in with the rest of your incoherent postings.
While it is a much much better idea than doing it by race, what you are talking about is basically socialism.
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I don't think what I've said is racist in the least, but I don't have any problem with being branded a racist. If my reputation has to suffer for the sake of my ability to speak what I believe is true, whatever.
Whoa. Who are you?
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I said you shouldn't be allowed to choose where you go by race and you said that's "judging people by their race".
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I don't think what I've said is racist in the least, but I don't have any problem with being branded a racist. If my reputation has to suffer for the sake of my ability to speak what I believe is true, whatever.
Whoa. Who are you?
I am a person who believes in maximizing the rights of the individual, and disregarding any group affiliation they may have.
From what I've read of your posts, it seems that you have a slightly irrational distaste of certain groups, IMO. Though the problem most seem to have with you is that you come off somewhat obnoxious about it, as if you're trying to spite people who think otherwise or those who are sympathetic to those groups.
Despite your personal leanings, you haven't said anything that I've seen that leads me to believe you would be in favor of laws that would violate the rights of the members of these groups. Therefore, although I may disagree with you about your opinion of these groups, it's not worth my time to argue with you since I don't consider you a political threat.
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he is a dumbshit though.
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yeah, but it's the internet. I'm not here to make friends, and honestly I think I'd get along fine with such a person in real life.
I bet a good majority of the people I know would say things I seriously disagree with if given the anonymity of the internet.
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let's break this down so even you can understand it, foc. i know you're worried that your potential employment opportunities in the fast food and strawberry picking buisness sectors are rapidly being filled by immigrants, and i don't want to subtract from the time you are obviously spending prepping your resume (be sure to highlight that you went to film school), but i'd like to pose this pair of rhetorical multiple choice questions to you:
black people are have much higher rates of poverty, have poorer educations, and have a greater chance of going to prison because:
a. they are a genetically inferior savage race as per the bell curve
b. they are just lazy and have a strong distaste for education in their culture which only values 'bangin and b-ball and bling-bling
c. they're the same as us; they just keep rejecting the opportunities we provide because, i dunno, they just don't like white people!
d. the effects of 200+ years of slavery have forced large numbers of them into geographically-based cultural microcosms where opportunity and resources are limited, where the only immediate access to said opportunity and resources lie in unstable and often violent activities, and where their sense of community and social support have been completely damaged and disrupted by policies of segregation even after the abolition of slavery even up to this date
the solution to this is:
a. segregate 'em and punish them any time they resist, they are an impediment to the growth of superior caucasian culture
b. let 'em rot, the lazy bastards; sooner or later they'll figure it out and get their acts squared away or they'll all wind up in prison. not my problem!
c. not affirmative action, because that's just reverse racism! there's no actual problem; it's just white liberal hand-wringing! i have black friends and they're doing okay! i don't know what's going on and i don't care to find out because hey: also not my problem!
d. make an honest attempt to acknowledge that american society and the majority culture have continued to inhibit their ability to succeed in the last century, and that while tit-for-tat reparations solve nothing, policies that force the majority culture to interact with and support the minority one, giving the black community access to the same opportunities and support structures while not subsuming black culture is an imperative that will accelerate the chances of true parity of economic opportunity among all races actually happening
CHOOSE PAPANGUS
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let's break this down so even you can understand it, foc. i know you're worried that your potential employment opportunities in the fast food and strawberry picking buisness sectors are rapidly being filled by immigrants, and i don't want to subtract from the time you are obviously spending prepping your resume (be sure to highlight that you went to film school), but i'd like to pose this pair of rhetorical multiple choice questions to you:
black people are have much higher rates of poverty, poorer educations, and have a greater chance of going to prison because:
a. they are a genetically-inferior savage race as per the bell curve
b. they are just lazy and have a strong distaste for education in their culture which only values 'bangin and b-ball and bling-bling
c. they're the same as us; they just keep rejecting the opportunities we provide because, i dunno, they just don't like white people!
d. the effects of 200+ years of slavery have forced large numbers of them into geographically-based cultural microcosms where opportunity and resources are limited, with the only immediate access to said opportunity and resources lie in unstable and often violent activities, and where their sense of community and social support have been completely damaged and disrupted by policies of segregation even after the abolition of slavery even up to this date
the solution to this is:
a. segregate 'em and punish them any time they resist, they are an impediment to the growth of superior caucasian culture
b. let 'em rot, the lazy bastards; sooner or later they'll figure it out and get their acts squared away or they'll all wind up in prison. not my problem!
c. not affirmative action, because that's just reverse racism! there's no actual problem; it's just white liberal hand-wringing! i have black friends and they're doing okay! i don't know what's going on and i don't care to find out because hey: also not my problem!
d. make an honest attempt to acknowledge that american society and the majority culture have continued to inhibit their ability to succeed in the last century, and that while tit-for-tat reparations solve nothing, policies that force the majority culture to interact with and support the minority one, giving the black community access to the same opportunities and support structures while not subsuming black culture is an imperative that will accelerate the chances of true parity of opportunity and among all races actually happening
CHOOSE PAPANGUS
haha you put all that time into a post debating FoC. You lose at life.
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btw, i think the phenomenon of "white flight" clearly illustrates the inequality that exists. when white kids are sent to inner city schools to increase the overall race-independent community stake, white parents take their kids and flee. while this is a racist action at its core, the real social inequality is that black people cannot do the same.
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How about choice "e"?
An economic based AA, which is the main idea FoC has been touting. If blacks are disproportionately affected by poverty, then such a system would help them disproportionately help them.
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lol me!
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btw, i think the phenomenon of "white flight" clearly illustrates the inequality that exists. when white kids are sent to inner city schools to increase the overall race-independent community stake, white parents take their kids and flee. while this is a racist action at its core, the real social inequality is that black people cannot do the same.
prolly cause whiteys would get their ass beat at those skools, cause black people are so violent.
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he thinks that people should be allowed to choose what public school they go to. If the government wants to help even out the educational opportunities available to people by making you sit next to a darkie, so what?
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The supreme court agrees with me. Sorry if Im right.
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I dunno. It seems you guys are perfectly content with FoC being a racist, if not implicitly encouraging him.
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I dunno. It seems you guys are perfectly content with FoC being a racist, if not implicitly encouraging him.
welcome to Evilbore.
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If there were an Evilbore meetup, I'd so give Drinky the back rub of his life.
One thing that does concern me about AA is that I might have to give up my shade tree.
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The supreme court agrees with me. Sorry if Im right.
In a 5-4 split decision determined by Bush-nominated justices, sure. Does that help you sleep at night?
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If there were an Evilbore meetup, I'd so give Drinky the back rub of his life.
of course you would. you are all gay for each other.
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The supreme court agrees with me. Sorry if Im right.
In a 5-4 split decision determined by Bush-nominated justices, sure. Does that help you sleep at night?
I was just going to say. This is one of the weakest appeals to authority ever. If a Democrat won in 2008, Scalia kicked off, and this got overturned, I somehow doubt FoC would reverse his position.
Anyway, the ruling didn't overturn the previous precedent for race-based admissions to college.
In upholding the admissions plan in Grutter, though, this Court relied upon considerations unique to institutions of higher education
What he's saying is that while there's a compelling interest in having cultural diversity in a university, there isn't one in K-12.
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Don't assume that much bobbyrobby. The first post he made was that the government should never look at race and that it should be ignored by every public institution. Count the fact that he's been pretty racist (or "xenophobic" by his admission) in the past and the fact that willco and MAF aren't here and you get a 3 page thread full of a bunch of mad people.
And he was wrong, where the fuck did the supreme court talk about INTEGRATING GRADES 1-12? It's about colleges. But the first post he made brought all of this on him. So I'll repeat it, please ban him mods when you come online.
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You know whenever minorities live in certain neighbourhoods etc. they seem to get called out for not intergrating with the wider community enough however when white people do this it's within their rights.