THE BORE

General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 10, 2007, 07:13:28 PM

Title: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 10, 2007, 07:13:28 PM
http://www.filmwad.com/why-the-bourne-series-is-the-best-american-film-trilogy-ever-made-4105-p.html

Interesting read, and I can't say I disagree. Sure, individual movies of Godfather, Star Wars, etc. could be easily argued as superior, but I think that Bourne is the only one that works as a complete trilogy. I mean, the third movie is being universally hailed as the best--how often does THAT happen? The author also explicitly points out a lot of the concordances between the first and third movies that I noticed, as well as explains how and why Bourne's character and ass-kicking works on a higher level than Bond and Bauer.

BOURNE :bow
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 10, 2007, 07:17:04 PM
I really liked the first two films, hopefully I'll have time to see the third one this weekend, along with Rocket Science.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 10, 2007, 07:25:30 PM
Also, Extreme Ways is better than any Bond song of the past 20 years, even if Moby is a vegan skinhead douchebag!
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 10, 2007, 07:40:09 PM
:bow :bow :bow FUCK YEAH
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: JJR on August 10, 2007, 07:51:28 PM
Oh I'm there.  I'm seeing it.  I've seen the other two.

I'll probably see it with my nuclear bomb uncle and have a lengthy discussion about the whimpering propoganda of the weak.  ;)
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: tiesto on August 10, 2007, 10:37:18 PM
Also, Extreme Ways is better than any Bond song of the past 20 years, even if Moby is a vegan skinhead douchebag!

 :lol

Although truth be told I'm a sucker for Moby's take on the James Bond theme, too.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Solo on August 11, 2007, 11:11:23 AM
I am a fan of the series, but no, just no.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 11, 2007, 12:56:35 PM
Bond sux. Bourne rox. Casino Royale was teh snore after he got to the casino.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Solo on August 11, 2007, 12:59:39 PM
Well, thats lovely. Not sure what that has to do with Bourne being mislabeled as the "best American trilogy" though. We havent even had time to see if Bourne will pass the most important test of great movies, the test of time. Wait a decade before making such claims. If the Bourne movies are still relevant and loved at that point, then such a discussion could begin.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Robo on August 11, 2007, 01:02:41 PM
Should be "most consistently shaky American film trilogy ever made." 
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Solo on August 11, 2007, 01:10:38 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 11, 2007, 01:59:33 PM
I think it has a lot to do with bond sucking
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Solo on August 11, 2007, 02:06:04 PM
Oh MAF, YOU are teh snore.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 11, 2007, 02:07:55 PM
"Return of the Jedi ruines Star Wars"  :lol

Reminds me of a dude I met recently who said Attack of the Clones is better than Jedi because of the Ewoks. Jesus get over the fucking Ewoks people. Yes they were lame, but the movie is amazing, and when Luke and Vader fight its fucking the best ever!

Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 11, 2007, 02:35:00 PM
Not really.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 11, 2007, 03:38:00 PM
I think if I were to want to watch the worst movie ever, most of the bond movies would be in the running.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Solo on August 11, 2007, 03:41:32 PM
Well, you are a Godzilla fan, so chances are you've already seen the worst movie ever.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 11, 2007, 03:51:29 PM
That would be true only if Godzilla was a guest star in one of those horrible bond movies.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 11, 2007, 03:52:24 PM
not giving things their props just because they're new is super bullshit
when I saw Fight Club opening night in the theater I said it was going to be the movie that defined the 90s
when I played BoFV Dragon Quarter I said it was the best RPG the PS2 would ever see
I was right then and I was right now and I'm not gonna wait ten years to start pointing out I'm right just cause you have your panties in a bunch

feel free to suggest alternative trilogies instead of just knocking down Bourne

EDIT: GODZOPUSSY
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 11, 2007, 03:53:41 PM
bond fans are like nintendo fans, cant reason with them.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 11, 2007, 03:54:18 PM

when I saw Fight Club opening night in the theater I said it was going to be the movie that defined the 90s



 :tbslol :tbslol :tbslol :tbslol :tbslol
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 11, 2007, 04:34:15 PM

when I saw Fight Club opening night in the theater I said it was going to be the movie that defined the 90s



 :tbslol :tbslol :tbslol :tbslol :tbslol

Okay, what movie defined the 90s?  Phantom Menace?

Here's my stance on the thread at hand:  All Bourne movies are fucking ace, and the best of the Bond series are just as good.  From Russia with Love, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and Casino Royale are all about as good as the Bourne movies.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Solo on August 11, 2007, 04:36:01 PM
not giving things their props just because they're new is super bullshit

Not really. Just because you went out and saw it a few days ago and are currently in the jizzing phase, doesnt mean it will stand alongside The Godfather, Star Wars, or even Indy Jones in 10 years.

Quote
when I saw Fight Club opening night in the theater I said it was going to be the movie that defined the 90s


Fight Club came out in 1999, at the close of the decade, and its hardly the definative 90's movie. Thats probably Pulp Fiction or Goodfellas.

And MAF, I have said time and time again that about 75% of the Bond movies are garbage, so I really dont know what youre on about.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 11, 2007, 04:48:51 PM
Yea, I'm gonna go with Pulp Fiction.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: bud on August 11, 2007, 04:58:43 PM
i'd go with pulp fiction, too. i mean, fight club is an AMAZING movie --the best s.e. (packaging)-- but it's by no means the movie that ''defined the 90s.''
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 11, 2007, 05:11:01 PM
To clarify: Pulp Fiction is certainly the movie that will be remembered more as "the movie that was a product of the 90s." But it wasn't about the 90s. Fight Club was, and when people 50 years from now are trying to understand the pre-9/11 mindset of what it meant to be an American it's gonna be Exhibit A.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 11, 2007, 05:17:03 PM
BOND IS WEAK OMG
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 11, 2007, 05:17:39 PM
TEMPLE OF DOOM SUXXORS
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 11, 2007, 06:16:56 PM
Fight club is trash.

Pulp Fiction is an excellent choice for a movie that defined the 90s, even though I'm not a fan of it.

It's hard to find a movie that defined the 90s. So much happened that decade. I'll have to think about it.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 11, 2007, 06:23:33 PM
What about American Beauty?
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 11, 2007, 06:37:43 PM
What about American Beauty?

American Beauty is the shittiest piece of shit that ever shat out of a shitty butt. I can't even begin to articulate how much I hate that overrated piece of saccharine fortune cookie hypocritical irrational nonsensical overloaded heavy-handed GODDAMNED MOTHERFUCKING PIECE OF CRAP!

I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU BROUGHT IT UP! AAAAAAH!! NEVER MAKE A FILM AGAIN!!!!
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Oblivion on August 11, 2007, 07:11:41 PM
What was so good about Fight Club? (never saw it, btw)
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 11, 2007, 09:19:01 PM
lol flying garbage (american beauty tm)

Kevin Spacey rocked tho!
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2007, 09:21:21 PM
Goodfellas>Pulp Fiction

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/PhoenixDark1/camlost.gif)
[close]
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: TVC15 on August 11, 2007, 09:36:09 PM
not giving things their props just because they're new is super bullshit

Not really. Just because you went out and saw it a few days ago and are currently in the jizzing phase, doesnt mean it will stand alongside The Godfather, Star Wars, or even Indy Jones in 10 years.


None of the three series you mentioned are in the running for best American trilogy.  What would you say is the best American trilogy?
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2007, 09:40:27 PM
Why not The Godfather? Yeah the third is not great, but the first two won best picture oscars and are considered two of the greatest films of all time.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: TVC15 on August 11, 2007, 09:42:07 PM
Why not The Godfather? Yeah the third is not great, but the first two won best picture oscars and are considered two of the greatest films of all time.

In the case of The Godfather, the third movie is terrible.  Maybe the best first two movies of all time, but not trilogy.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: demi on August 11, 2007, 09:43:06 PM
What was so good about Fight Club? (never saw it, btw)

Bob
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 11, 2007, 09:46:14 PM
I dunno how popular blockbusters are being called out as fantastic. Indy as a trilogy is really hit or miss, and this isnt even including the new one coming up.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: TVC15 on August 11, 2007, 09:53:25 PM
I dunno how popular blockbusters are being called out as fantastic. Indy as a trilogy is really hit or miss, and this isnt even including the new one coming up.

For Indy:

Raiders is a 10
Temple is a 5
Last Crusade is a 7 or 8, depending on how I feel


The first movie feels the most like a cohesive movie.  The other two, I remember them for their bits.  It's like for the first film, they sat down and wrote a complete movie, whereas for the other two, they thought of cool set pieces first and worked a plot in around them. 
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 11, 2007, 09:54:28 PM
I can agree with that
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 11, 2007, 09:55:13 PM
I dunno how popular blockbusters are being called out as fantastic.

Oh don't pull that shit, MAF. You're better than that.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 11, 2007, 09:56:18 PM
not giving things their props just because they're new is super bullshit

Not really. Just because you went out and saw it a few days ago and are currently in the jizzing phase, doesnt mean it will stand alongside The Godfather, Star Wars, or even Indy Jones in 10 years.


None of the three series you mentioned are in the running for best American trilogy.  What would you say is the best American trilogy?

So what is the best American trilogy for you? It's not like there are tons. It sure as fuck isn't Alien, POTC, Terminator, or Matrix.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: bud on August 11, 2007, 09:57:45 PM
fwiw, the potc trilogy is the most consistent one.

Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 11, 2007, 09:59:37 PM
fwiw, the potc trilogy is the most consistent one.



Consistently SHIT?
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 11, 2007, 10:02:39 PM
fwiw, the potc trilogy is the most consistent one.



Fuck no, have you seen the Bourne movies?
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Ichirou on August 11, 2007, 10:08:16 PM
Jesus Christ, who gives a fuck what the best American trilogy is?  Next thing you know, you guys will be arguing who's stronger - Superman or Goku?!
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: TVC15 on August 11, 2007, 10:10:00 PM
not giving things their props just because they're new is super bullshit

Not really. Just because you went out and saw it a few days ago and are currently in the jizzing phase, doesnt mean it will stand alongside The Godfather, Star Wars, or even Indy Jones in 10 years.


None of the three series you mentioned are in the running for best American trilogy.  What would you say is the best American trilogy?

So what is the best American trilogy for you? It's not like there are tons. It sure as fuck isn't Alien, POTC, Terminator, or Matrix.

There aren't many good trilogies, American or no.  I'd have to think about it.  All I can say now is that the best trilogy would be 3 movies of equal or ascending quality, which rules out Indy, Star Wars, and Godfather.  Especially Godfather.  Whatever trilogy I would pick would likely not match the quality of the best movies in the aforementioned trilogies, but I think when you are judging as a trilogy, you can't be willing to throw in the towel and say "Well, yeah, Temple of Doom was terrrible, but the other two were great."
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Gay Boy on August 11, 2007, 10:10:48 PM
Indy as a trilogy IS hit or miss but Raiders is one of the all time best films in cinema history, and for that alone despite temple of doom I don't think it's fair to put the bourne movies on a pedestal next to jones, trilogy or not.

Same logic for Godfather. I & II as just SO good ameircan classics its unfair to even try to put bourne above it, despite III's weaknesses. Raiders makes up for any failings in the later Jones films out of being basically universallly seen as the greatest action-adventure film of all time. And well Godfather is the fucking Godfather.

I don't care if either had weaker entries than bourne, when godfather/indy are at their best bourne's 3 consistant solid-to great films can't compare.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 11, 2007, 10:11:11 PM
not giving things their props just because they're new is super bullshit

Not really. Just because you went out and saw it a few days ago and are currently in the jizzing phase, doesnt mean it will stand alongside The Godfather, Star Wars, or even Indy Jones in 10 years.


None of the three series you mentioned are in the running for best American trilogy.  What would you say is the best American trilogy?

So what is the best American trilogy for you? It's not like there are tons. It sure as fuck isn't Alien, POTC, Terminator, or Matrix.

There aren't many good trilogies, American or no.  I'd have to think about it.  All I can say now is that the best trilogy would be 3 movies of equal or ascending quality, which rules out Indy, Star Wars, and Godfather.  Especially Godfather.  Whatever trilogy I would pick would likely not match the quality of the best movies in the aforementioned trilogies, but I think when you are judging as a trilogy, you can't be willing to throw in the towel and say "Well, yeah, Temple of Doom was terrrible, but the other two were great."

I think you can make that case for Godfather, since two of them are among the best films of all time, period. Most trilogies are lucky to have one awesome movie in them, and one that doesn't totally disappoint.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: TVC15 on August 11, 2007, 10:11:47 PM
not giving things their props just because they're new is super bullshit

Not really. Just because you went out and saw it a few days ago and are currently in the jizzing phase, doesnt mean it will stand alongside The Godfather, Star Wars, or even Indy Jones in 10 years.


None of the three series you mentioned are in the running for best American trilogy.  What would you say is the best American trilogy?

So what is the best American trilogy for you? It's not like there are tons. It sure as fuck isn't Alien, POTC, Terminator, or Matrix.

There aren't many good trilogies, American or no.  I'd have to think about it.  All I can say now is that the best trilogy would be 3 movies of equal or ascending quality, which rules out Indy, Star Wars, and Godfather.  Especially Godfather.  Whatever trilogy I would pick would likely not match the quality of the best movies in the aforementioned trilogies, but I think when you are judging as a trilogy, you can't be willing to throw in the towel and say "Well, yeah, Temple of Doom was terrrible, but the other two were great."

I think you can make that case for Godfather, since two of them are among the best films of all time, period. Most trilogies are lucky to have one awesome movie in them, and one that doesn't totally disappoint.


Two best movies of all time plus one turd does not equal a good trilogy.  It equals two good movies and one bad one.

It doesn't help that Godfather 3 feels so inessential.  There wasn't a good reason to do a third movie.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 11, 2007, 10:12:45 PM
not giving things their props just because they're new is super bullshit

Not really. Just because you went out and saw it a few days ago and are currently in the jizzing phase, doesnt mean it will stand alongside The Godfather, Star Wars, or even Indy Jones in 10 years.


None of the three series you mentioned are in the running for best American trilogy.  What would you say is the best American trilogy?

So what is the best American trilogy for you? It's not like there are tons. It sure as fuck isn't Alien, POTC, Terminator, or Matrix.

There aren't many good trilogies, American or no.  I'd have to think about it.  All I can say now is that the best trilogy would be 3 movies of equal or ascending quality, which rules out Indy, Star Wars, and Godfather.  Especially Godfather.  Whatever trilogy I would pick would likely not match the quality of the best movies in the aforementioned trilogies, but I think when you are judging as a trilogy, you can't be willing to throw in the towel and say "Well, yeah, Temple of Doom was terrrible, but the other two were great."

I think you can make that case for Godfather, since two of them are among the best films of all time, period. Most trilogies are lucky to have one awesome movie in them, and one that doesn't totally disappoint.


Two best movies of all time plus one turd does not equal a good trilogy.  It equals two good movies and one bad one.

It does when there are only a handful of trilogies in the first place and most of them have a movie as bad or worse than the Godfather pt3.

Name one American trilogy that's even close.

Quote
It doesn't help that Godfather 3 feels so inessential.  There wasn't a good reason to do a third movie.

Most of the time this applies for 2s as well as 3s.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Gay Boy on August 11, 2007, 10:13:16 PM
not giving things their props just because they're new is super bullshit

Not really. Just because you went out and saw it a few days ago and are currently in the jizzing phase, doesnt mean it will stand alongside The Godfather, Star Wars, or even Indy Jones in 10 years.


None of the three series you mentioned are in the running for best American trilogy.  What would you say is the best American trilogy?

So what is the best American trilogy for you? It's not like there are tons. It sure as fuck isn't Alien, POTC, Terminator, or Matrix.

There aren't many good trilogies, American or no.  I'd have to think about it.  All I can say now is that the best trilogy would be 3 movies of equal or ascending quality, which rules out Indy, Star Wars, and Godfather.  Especially Godfather.  Whatever trilogy I would pick would likely not match the quality of the best movies in the aforementioned trilogies, but I think when you are judging as a trilogy, you can't be willing to throw in the towel and say "Well, yeah, Temple of Doom was terrrible, but the other two were great."

I think you can make that case for Godfather, since two of them are among the best films of all time, period. Most trilogies are lucky to have one awesome movie in them, and one that doesn't totally disappoint.


Two best movies of all time plus one turd does not equal a good trilogy.  It equals two good movies and one bad one.

It doesn't help that Godfather 3 feels so inessential.  There wasn't a good reason to do a third movie.

Here is the proof. Despite temple of doom's quality, ToD will far outlast the 3 bourne movies amongst movie goers and dvd/etc owners. Purely due to raiders (and the last crusade to a certain extent). The amazing other entries carry doom along, farther than the "better" bourne movies can or ever will.

Apply the same logic to godfather but replace doom with III.

I/II alone make the godfather trilogy much more memorable and drags III along with it, farther than any bourne movies can ever go.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Ichirou on August 11, 2007, 10:13:53 PM
Indy isn't a fucking trilogy, there's a fourth one in production.  It's not even like Star Wars where you can split them up into OT and PT.

This is such a stupid argument...shouldn't movies be taken as movies instead of just having some "who's got the longest dick" type competition by having trilogies face off against each other?  What do the Godfather series and the Bourne series have in common aside from being trilogies?  Absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: TVC15 on August 11, 2007, 10:13:58 PM
not giving things their props just because they're new is super bullshit

Not really. Just because you went out and saw it a few days ago and are currently in the jizzing phase, doesnt mean it will stand alongside The Godfather, Star Wars, or even Indy Jones in 10 years.


None of the three series you mentioned are in the running for best American trilogy.  What would you say is the best American trilogy?

So what is the best American trilogy for you? It's not like there are tons. It sure as fuck isn't Alien, POTC, Terminator, or Matrix.

There aren't many good trilogies, American or no.  I'd have to think about it.  All I can say now is that the best trilogy would be 3 movies of equal or ascending quality, which rules out Indy, Star Wars, and Godfather.  Especially Godfather.  Whatever trilogy I would pick would likely not match the quality of the best movies in the aforementioned trilogies, but I think when you are judging as a trilogy, you can't be willing to throw in the towel and say "Well, yeah, Temple of Doom was terrrible, but the other two were great."

I think you can make that case for Godfather, since two of them are among the best films of all time, period. Most trilogies are lucky to have one awesome movie in them, and one that doesn't totally disappoint.


Two best movies of all time plus one turd does not equal a good trilogy.  It equals two good movies and one bad one.

It does when there are only a handful of trilogies in the first place and most of them have a movie as bad or worse than the Godfather pt3.

That means there are likely no great American film trilogies.  You can't win by default when one of the movies is blatantly bad.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Gay Boy on August 11, 2007, 10:14:57 PM
Indy isn't a fucking trilogy, there's a fourth one in production.  It's not even like Star Wars where you can split them up into OT and PT.
Indiana Jones is a serial but others brought it up and not me!

Hell, it wasn't even meant to be a trilogy to be honest. Spielberg was trying to get a fourth off the ground in 1993, just 4 years after crusade (shorter time than what passed between doom and last crusade)
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 11, 2007, 10:16:32 PM
not giving things their props just because they're new is super bullshit

Not really. Just because you went out and saw it a few days ago and are currently in the jizzing phase, doesnt mean it will stand alongside The Godfather, Star Wars, or even Indy Jones in 10 years.


None of the three series you mentioned are in the running for best American trilogy.  What would you say is the best American trilogy?

So what is the best American trilogy for you? It's not like there are tons. It sure as fuck isn't Alien, POTC, Terminator, or Matrix.

There aren't many good trilogies, American or no.  I'd have to think about it.  All I can say now is that the best trilogy would be 3 movies of equal or ascending quality, which rules out Indy, Star Wars, and Godfather.  Especially Godfather.  Whatever trilogy I would pick would likely not match the quality of the best movies in the aforementioned trilogies, but I think when you are judging as a trilogy, you can't be willing to throw in the towel and say "Well, yeah, Temple of Doom was terrrible, but the other two were great."

I think you can make that case for Godfather, since two of them are among the best films of all time, period. Most trilogies are lucky to have one awesome movie in them, and one that doesn't totally disappoint.


Two best movies of all time plus one turd does not equal a good trilogy.  It equals two good movies and one bad one.

It does when there are only a handful of trilogies in the first place and most of them have a movie as bad or worse than the Godfather pt3.

That means there are likely no great American film trilogies.  You can't win by default when one of the movies is blatantly bad.

The topic is about the best among the trilogies, not the trilogy that is 100% the great straight through.

Although the article uses the latter parameter and says it's Bourne.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Ichirou on August 11, 2007, 10:18:29 PM
Pro-Tip: No one will really give a shit about the Bourne movies ten years from now.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: bork on August 11, 2007, 10:18:41 PM
fwiw, the potc trilogy is the most consistent one.



Most of the "trilogies" released in this decade don't feel like actual trilogies.  They come across as a successful film with two tacked-on sequels.  This would apply to Pirates.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Gay Boy on August 11, 2007, 10:19:39 PM
The problem with Bourne is while they are great movies. I love them, but does anyone honestly think people will be obsessing over them 30 years from now? Godfather trilogy will be and the Star Wars trilogy will be, as well Indiana Jones. And hell Die Hard  & Back to the Future probably But Bourne? Not likely. And I say that as someone who thinks all 3 entries are around a 9/10

Will people 30 years from now be telling their kids how they were able to see Bourne when it was first in theaters like it was some big event the way people can talk about Star Wars, Godfather, Indiana Jones...etc? Not a chance.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 11, 2007, 10:20:41 PM
Ooh, BTTF and Die Hard are good nominations.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: TVC15 on August 11, 2007, 10:20:51 PM
The problem with Bourne is while they are great movies. I love them, but does anyone honestly think people will be obsessing over them 30 years from now? Godfather trilogy will be and the Star Wars trilogy will be, as well Indiana Jones. And hell Die Hard  & Back to the Future probably But Bourne? Not likely. And I say that as someone who thinks all 3 entries are around a 9/10

Once again, people will be obsessing over the first two Godfather movies.  Nobody cares about the third movie.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 11, 2007, 10:21:11 PM
So we should say "Which is the most POPULAR American trilogy ever made?"?

And Die Hard isn't really a good one...and I absolutely love it.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 11, 2007, 10:22:09 PM
1 and 3 are great and 2 isn't as terrible as GF pt 3.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Gay Boy on August 11, 2007, 10:22:39 PM
So we should say "Which is the most POPULAR American trilogy ever made?"?

And Die Hard isn't really a good one...and I absolutely love it.
It's not a good one but people will remember it far longer than Bourne. Purely because of the first movie. Boxsets of those 4(or more?) will continue to sell in 30 years. Just becasue of that first movie.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Ichirou on August 11, 2007, 10:23:03 PM
Die Hard 4.0, bitches.  It's no longer a trilogy.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 11, 2007, 10:23:12 PM
Well I haven't seen GF Part 3 - probably because I've heard so many bad things. :lol

Actually wait am I talking about. The Die Hard and Indiana Jones series are pretty much carbon copies of one another. First movie an absolute classic. Second movie the bastard child of the trilogy. Third movie comes out a pretty long time after, with a big supporting actor, and is great. Fourth one comes out over a decade later.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: TVC15 on August 11, 2007, 10:24:00 PM
So we should say "Which is the most POPULAR American trilogy ever made?"?

And Die Hard isn't really a good one...and I absolutely love it.
It's not a good one but people will remember it far longer than Bourne. Purely because of the first movie. Boxsets of those 4(or more?) will continue to sell in 30 years. Just becasue of that first movie.

I think you are far too quick to write off bourne.  The books have been fairly popular for a long time.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Gay Boy on August 11, 2007, 10:24:17 PM
Die Hard 4.0, bitches.  It's no longer a trilogy.
because of all the 80's revivals it's hard for anything to remain a trilogy. To keep this going lets talk about "SERIES"'s or whatever you want to call them then.

Beverly Hills Cop 4 coming in 2009 and so on. Hell, Michael J. Fox wants to do a 4th BTTF despite his parkinsons if he could play a Doc like role.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Ichirou on August 11, 2007, 10:24:58 PM
Robocop trilogy is the best.  In the third one he flies and fights against robot ninjas.  Bourne can't fly and fight against robot ninjas, so he loses.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Gay Boy on August 11, 2007, 10:25:55 PM
Also unless Chris Nolan goes mental or something his Batman trilogy will be be better than the bourne one.

Also the "Genesis Project" star trek trilogy of II, III, and IV was pretty fucking good. (Search for spock is under-rated)
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: TVC15 on August 11, 2007, 10:26:37 PM
Also unless Chris Nolan goes mental or something his Batman trilogy will be be better than the bourne one.

Batman Begins isn't as good as either of the first two Bourne movies, though.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 11, 2007, 10:27:18 PM
Hey TVC you already watched Supremacy too?! :rock
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Gay Boy on August 11, 2007, 10:28:51 PM
Also has everone forgot the man with no name trilogy?

YES I KNOW ITS NOT AMERICAN
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: TVC15 on August 11, 2007, 10:28:58 PM
Hey TVC you already watched Supremacy too?! :rock

Yes I did.  I'll probably see Ultimatum either this week or this upcoming weekend.

Also has everone forgot the man with no name trilogy?


American film trilogy.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Ichirou on August 11, 2007, 10:30:03 PM
Also has everone forgot the man with no name trilogy?


In what world do those movies qualify as American?
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Gay Boy on August 11, 2007, 10:30:43 PM
Hey TVC you already watched Supremacy too?! :rock

Yes I did.  I'll probably see Ultimatum either this week or this upcoming weekend.

Also has everone forgot the man with no name trilogy?


American film trilogy.
I know but it's still better.

WAIT what about uh

Evil Dead
The Evil Dead (1981)
Evil Dead II (1987)
Army of Darkness (1993)
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 11, 2007, 10:31:12 PM
Japanese Godzilla movies are the peak of cinema.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Ichirou on August 11, 2007, 10:31:21 PM
STOP THE INSANITY GAY BOY

KEEP TO THE RULES
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: TVC15 on August 11, 2007, 10:31:31 PM
Hey TVC you already watched Supremacy too?! :rock

Yes I did.  I'll probably see Ultimatum either this week or this upcoming weekend.

Also has everone forgot the man with no name trilogy?


American film trilogy.
I know but it's still better.


Well, I guess if you can call the Godfather a good trilogy, you can also call the The Man With No Name trilogy American movies.

And yeah, I was considering ED, but it seemed juvenile to bring up, as though in order to throw that in the face of the Godfather, I had better be wearing a Led Zeppelin Icarus shirt and holding a bong or something.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 11, 2007, 10:31:57 PM
Also, Search for spock was Emo SHIT, and Star Trek IV was a sitcom
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Gay Boy on August 11, 2007, 10:32:10 PM
if pixar doesnt fuck it up toy story 3 will make toy story a better american trilogy, happy?
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 11, 2007, 10:32:21 PM
Gay Boy lol
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Gay Boy on August 11, 2007, 10:33:23 PM
Gay Boy lol
you cant deny toy story trilogy will surplant bourne!
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Ichirou on August 11, 2007, 10:33:32 PM
What about the Mission Impossible films you guuuuuuuuuuuyyyyyys? :P :P :P
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 11, 2007, 10:35:27 PM
MISSION SCIENTOLOGY POSSIBLE
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Gay Boy on August 11, 2007, 10:36:03 PM
What about the Mission Impossible films you guuuuuuuuuuuyyyyyys? :P :P :P
II was shit :(

WAIT.

Look Who's Talking Trilogy:
Look Who's Talking (1989)
Look Who's Talking Too (1990)
Look Who's Talking Now (1993)

FUCKING OWNED ALL OF YOU
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2007, 10:36:18 PM
Godfather III is not THAT bad, from what I've seen at least. It pales in comparison to the others but it ain't horrific. Here are some of the trilogies I've seen, in no particular order

Indy:
-Raiders: 10
-Temple: 5.5
-Crusade: 10

LOTR:
-FOTR: 10
-TTT: 9.5
-ROTK: 10
(you guys know by now that's I'm a LOTR fanboy thru and thru)

Star Wars:
-New Hope: 9.5
-ESB: 10
-ROTJ: 9 (Ewoks don't bother me)

POTC:
-Black Pearl: 8
-Dead Man's Chest: 9
-End of World: 5

Spiderman:
-1: 8
-2: 9
-3: 8 (but perhaps my favorite to watch lol)

I still need to see all of Godfather II and III
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Oblivion on August 11, 2007, 10:38:29 PM
You guys are all wrong. The true best trilogy ever will be the Mortal Kombat Series (once the third one comes out, of course).

:bow
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 11, 2007, 10:39:15 PM
THE MIGHTY DUCKS TRILOGY

EMMILLLIOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 11, 2007, 10:39:49 PM
X-Men Tril > Spiderman Tril
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2007, 10:40:14 PM
DIE HARD: 10
Die Harder: 5.5
Die Hard w/Vengence (on AMC right now): 8
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Gay Boy on August 11, 2007, 10:42:22 PM
DH - 10/10
DH 2 - 6.5/10
DH 3 - 8/10
DH 4 - 8/10

Live Free or Die hard was fucking good. I will get the dvd.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2007, 10:44:24 PM
Then let me borrow it.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 11, 2007, 10:45:09 PM
Bourne Identity: 9/10
Bourne Supremacy: 8.5/10
Bourne Ultimatum: 9.5/10
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Gay Boy on August 11, 2007, 10:46:00 PM
Then let me borrow it.
But you live in Ypsi. A girl who just graduated from EMU told me everyone who lives in Ypsi are criminals, just like in Detroit. Sorry.


Also bourne:

Bourne Identity: 9.5/10
Bourne Suprememcy: 8.5/10
Bourne Ultimatium: 9/10
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Oblivion on August 11, 2007, 10:47:14 PM
DH 4 - 8/10

/highfive
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 11, 2007, 10:48:51 PM
DH4 - 6/10 :/
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2007, 10:49:19 PM
omg cheebs ypsi isn't bad at all. I'll be in your class come September, and I may try to rape you as a "welcome to ypsi" gift. :-*
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 11, 2007, 10:49:44 PM
CUT THIS SHIT NOW PLEASE
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2007, 10:51:03 PM
FINE

wtf Cajole you didn't rate the other DH films.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 11, 2007, 10:51:48 PM
MST3K's Mike Nelson reaming Casino Royale:  
[youtube=425,350]nN1zp6RIkqU [/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/v/nN1zp6RIkqU

Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 11, 2007, 10:52:24 PM
FINE

wtf Cajole you didn't rate the other DH films.

I'm the same as Cheebs.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 11, 2007, 10:53:11 PM
for the record, i'd consider lotr as the best american movie trilogy, but i haven't seen any of the bourne movies :-\
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 11, 2007, 10:53:44 PM
for the record, i'd consider lotr as the best american movie trilogy, but i haven't seen any of the bourne movies :-\

This gives me an idea.  :-*
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2007, 10:54:55 PM
for the record, i'd consider lotr as the best american movie trilogy, but i haven't seen any of the bourne movies :-\

omg im gunna suck your dic :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat

I dunno if I'd say it's the best but it's definitely my fav by far.


btw the Man w/No Name trilogy doesn't count as "American"?
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 11, 2007, 10:55:58 PM
leone was italian. if we're considering it as american, it would probably get my nod over lotr.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Gay Boy on August 11, 2007, 10:59:03 PM
but it starred an american. LET IT SLIDE. And its story took place in America.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Ichirou on August 11, 2007, 10:59:36 PM
Leone was Italian, the movies were made in Italy and Spain by an Italian production company.  The entire cast was European save for Eastwood (in the first film), Eastwood and Van Cleef (in the second) and Eastwood, Van Cleef, and Wallach (in the third).  They are Italian movies.  If you're going to call them American movies you might as well call Gladiator an Italian movie 'cuz the story takes place in Rome, lol.

Also, all the movies originally came out in Europe THREE YEARS prior to ever coming out in the US.  If Gay Boy insists on calling them American movies, he is just proving he is stupid.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2007, 10:59:56 PM
Ah makes sense. I was gonna say "well it was filmed in English" then I realized that would be utterly stupid.

btw rank the LOTR classics. I always thought you just liked FOTR
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Oblivion on August 11, 2007, 11:00:42 PM
DH4 - 6/10 :/

Why'd ya lower it, jerk? :punch

for the record, i'd consider lotr as the best american movie trilogy,

 :o
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 11, 2007, 11:02:04 PM
LOTR Extended editions are nothing but fan service, but the theatrical cuts are nice.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Ichirou on August 11, 2007, 11:02:58 PM
Ah makes sense. I was gonna say "well it was filmed in English" then I realized that would be utterly stupid.

btw rank the LOTR classics. I always thought you just liked FOTR

Man With No Name movies weren't filmed in English.   They were filmed silent (with each cast member speaking in his own native language), with dialogue and sound added later on.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Candyflip on August 11, 2007, 11:04:44 PM
I never understood the hate for LOTR. I liked all 3, other than RotK's multiple endings.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Ichirou on August 11, 2007, 11:05:54 PM
LotR movies are okay.  I'm not particularly fond of any of them, though I do own the extended editions.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2007, 11:06:51 PM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/PhoenixDark1/LOTR.gif)
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Ichirou on August 11, 2007, 11:08:51 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 12, 2007, 12:17:46 AM
Gay Boy lol
you cant deny toy story trilogy will surplant bourne!

(http://digital-photography-school.com/blog/wp-content/black-and-white.jpg)

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/PhoenixDark1/LOTR.gif)

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: TVC15 on August 12, 2007, 12:19:51 AM
It's a stretch calling LOTR an American trilogy.  New Zealand production company, shot in NZ, with a NZ director, made mostly with american dollars.  It's an international movie, no one country can claim it.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Mandark on August 12, 2007, 01:46:52 AM
What about American Beauty?

American Beauty is the shittiest piece of shit that ever shat out of a shitty butt. I can't even begin to articulate how much I hate that overrated piece of saccharine fortune cookie hypocritical irrational nonsensical overloaded heavy-handed GODDAMNED MOTHERFUCKING PIECE OF CRAP!

I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU BROUGHT IT UP! AAAAAAH!! NEVER MAKE A FILM AGAIN!!!!

Amen.

Bourne might be the best American film trilogy, but I think that says more about film trilogies than it does about Bourne.  I haven't seen Supremacy, but I don't think that would change my opinion on the piece linked in the OP.

It really seems to be stretching on a number of points, like the praise of the actors cast as G Men.  David Straithern and Brian Cox both basically played the generic Ed Harris, Guy In The Control Room Telling His Underlings To Work Harder role.  Most of the bad guy HQ scenes are right out of Enemy of the State.

There are a lot of parallels, and I appreciate that they were more subtle than the repetition of key lines in Batman Begins, but I read it as them just copying the successful formula of the first movie, with a couple "Hey, remember this?" visual cues.  Is having emotionless government killers waiting for a call even a reference?  I figured it was just a class of bad guy that they created that would be a recurring threat in all three movies, a la stormtrooper, agent, or uruk hai.

I guess what I'm saying is that the Bourne films are really fun chase movies, but I'd feel weird giving them a Best Something Ever rank in the canon.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 12, 2007, 02:11:13 AM
I loved the part of A Bugs Life when Hopper is in the shower masturbating just to get through the day.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 12, 2007, 02:14:31 AM
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb165/mrangryface_bucket/1186887819448.jpg)
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: thekavorka on August 12, 2007, 02:20:33 AM
THE MIGHTY DUCKS TRILOGY

EMMILLLIOOOOOOOOO

This would have been the best trilogy had Coach Bombay been in D3 for more than one scene
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 12, 2007, 02:24:32 AM
Bourne Identity: 9.5
Bourne Supremacy: 8
Bourne Ultimatum: 9.5

Good shit.

I'll also throw in a nod for the LotR trilogy, even though it's hardly American.  It's at least the one trilogy where I can constantly watch and still love it to death.  For good measure:

Fellowship: 10
Two Towers: 8
Return of the King: 9.5

Fellowship is honestly one of the best fucking movies I've seen.  Say shit to me, I know, but I'll stand by it.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 12, 2007, 02:30:08 AM
Just to be thought provoking...

Austin powers trilogy > Bourne trilogy > casino royal singular movie.   

"Return of the Jedi ruines Star Wars"  :lol

Reminds me of a dude I met recently who said Attack of the Clones is better than Jedi because of the Ewoks. Jesus get over the fucking Ewoks people. Yes they were lame, but the movie is amazing, and when Luke and Vader fight its fucking the best ever!



People hate the Ewoks?  FUCK THEM IN THERE PANSY ASSES! 
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Mandark on August 12, 2007, 02:32:10 AM
Are we limited to real trilogies, or the first three movies of a longer series?

Also, can we throw in some fake trilogies?  Like how about Stripes/Ghostbusters/Groundhog Day?


And Fight Club totally wasn't movie of the 90's.  ID4 was the movie of the 90's, and Friends was probably the TV show.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 12, 2007, 02:35:23 AM
wtf You meant Seinfeld right?  It was the most popular comedy in the 90s, wasn't it?
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 12, 2007, 02:37:09 AM
wtf You meant Seinfeld right?  It was the most popular comedy in the 90s, wasn't it?

better, maybe not most popular. 
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: thekavorka on August 12, 2007, 02:39:45 AM

I'll also throw in a nod for the LotR trilogy, even though it's hardly American.  It's at least the one trilogy where I can constantly watch and still love it to death.  For good measure:

Fellowship: 10
Two Towers: 8
Return of the King: 9.5

Fellowship is honestly one of the best fucking movies I've seen.  Say shit to me, I know, but I'll stand by it.

Yeah, Fellowship is my favorite too.

And wtf at Friends being the show of the 90s. GTFO
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 12, 2007, 02:43:22 AM
towers less than rotk? lol wtf
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Mandark on August 12, 2007, 02:43:57 AM
We're talking about being representative of the decade, not being the best.  It's like Time Magazine's Man of the Year award, and Friends is Hitler.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 12, 2007, 02:44:50 AM
1st season was good!
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 12, 2007, 02:45:17 AM
The first two seasons of friends were actually ok, and rachel always wore stockings....OMG dick am hard for that. 
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2007, 02:46:45 AM
towers less than rotk? lol wtf

NO wtf @ YOU


FOTR: 10
TTT: 9.5
ROTK: 10
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 12, 2007, 02:48:40 AM
ROTK was bullshit rushed stupid crap with hobbits on beds and the extended version managed to make the film more boring and not fix any of the problems
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Mandark on August 12, 2007, 02:49:14 AM
We're talking about being representative of the decade, not being the best.  It's like Time Magazine's Man of the Year award, and Friends is Hitler.

1st season was good!

Nazi apologist.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 12, 2007, 02:50:04 AM
the first season had good intentions!
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2007, 02:50:57 AM
SOMEONES DRUNK CALL THE CHURCH
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Mandark on August 12, 2007, 02:51:34 AM
Matthew Perry made the trains run on time.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 12, 2007, 02:53:02 AM
Matthew Perry made the trains run on time.

lol
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: thekavorka on August 12, 2007, 03:12:46 AM
We're talking about being representative of the decade, not being the best.  It's like Time Magazine's Man of the Year award, and Friends is Hitler.

Seinfeld perfectly represented the decade. The decade about nothing.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 12, 2007, 04:37:56 AM
WHAT THE FUCK FRIENDS SHOW OF THE 90S ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME FUCK YOU MANDARK I THOUGHT YOU WRE COOL
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: TVC15 on August 12, 2007, 04:40:04 AM
WHAT THE FUCK FRIENDS SHOW OF THE 90S ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME FUCK YOU MANDARK I THOUGHT YOU WRE COOL

I think Friends does a good job of summing up the superficiality of the latter half of the 90s.  Fight Club can be seen as a response to the sort of thing that Friends represents.  Homogenized, benign, quality controlled, soulless corporate garbage.  If Seinfeld is, let's say, a good gouda, then Friends is shitty american cheese.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 12, 2007, 04:42:29 AM
Why award the inferior show just because it displays the shittiest of a decade better? Fuck that shit.

Seinfeld. :bow
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: TVC15 on August 12, 2007, 04:47:47 AM
Why award the inferior show just because it displays the shittiest of a decade better? Fuck that shit.

Seinfeld. :bow

I think that decades from now, the Clinton decade will be remembered similar to the Eisenhower era--ie nobody will remember it.  it was a generally prosperous time, and history books don't go into detail on good periods.  The Reagan decade will be remembered because Republicans will never let anyone forget that, and the Bush decade will be remembered for the shittiness.  The 90s will be largely invisible in the future.  When we think of Eisenhower's 50s, we think of Ward and June Cleaver and "simpler times."  When people remember the 90s, I believe the pattern dictates the future will remember something equally superficial, Friends.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 12, 2007, 05:01:10 AM
The Clinton decade will not be remembered...but Friends will be? No. I don't want to live in a world where Seinfeld takes a backseat to anything in its own decade.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: TVC15 on August 12, 2007, 05:03:49 AM
The Clinton decade will not be remembered...but Friends will be? No. I don't want to live in a world where Seinfeld takes a backseat to anything in its own decade.

Well, to be fair, I Love Lucy is also from the 50s, and that show rocks. 
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 12, 2007, 05:07:25 AM
I Love Lucy > Leave It to Beaver
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 12, 2007, 05:32:34 AM
I think that decades from now, the Clinton decade will be remembered similar to the Eisenhower era--ie nobody will remember it.  it was a generally prosperous time, and history books don't go into detail on good periods.  The Reagan decade will be remembered because Republicans will never let anyone forget that, and the Bush decade will be remembered for the shittiness.  The 90s will be largely invisible in the future.  When we think of Eisenhower's 50s, we think of Ward and June Cleaver and "simpler times."  When people remember the 90s, I believe the pattern dictates the future will remember something equally superficial, Friends.
Conservatives and christians will remember the 90's as when American morals went missing (not only because of Monica). For everyone else it was dandy.

90's = The Simpsons
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: TVC15 on August 12, 2007, 05:40:28 AM
I think that decades from now, the Clinton decade will be remembered similar to the Eisenhower era--ie nobody will remember it.  it was a generally prosperous time, and history books don't go into detail on good periods.  The Reagan decade will be remembered because Republicans will never let anyone forget that, and the Bush decade will be remembered for the shittiness.  The 90s will be largely invisible in the future.  When we think of Eisenhower's 50s, we think of Ward and June Cleaver and "simpler times."  When people remember the 90s, I believe the pattern dictates the future will remember something equally superficial, Friends.
Conservatives and christians will remember the 90's as when American morals went missing (not only because of Monica). For everyone else it was dandy.

90's = The Simpsons

Conservatives and Christians will all be converted into homosexuals within the next several years, all part of The Agenda.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Mandark on August 12, 2007, 07:10:01 AM
TVC gets it.

I was originally going to go with Seinfeld, but Friends, which was originally pitched as a Seinfeld knockoff ("Seinfeld in New York?"), had all the things that made Seinfeld 90's-tastic (obsession over social minutiae, popularity, general prosperity) AND added sentimentality and dumbness.  Also, it was less Jewy.

The right wing is regularly calling the 90's a "vacation from history," the implication being it's not really History if we're not in some life-or-death struggle with an evil ideology.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Gay Boy on August 12, 2007, 08:35:40 AM
wtf You meant Seinfeld right?  It was the most popular comedy in the 90s, wasn't it?

better, maybe not most popular. 
Seinfeld had better ratings than Friends when they were both on.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Solo on August 12, 2007, 09:55:06 AM
I think this topic needs to be broadened to trilogies, without the American tag before it. Most of my favorite trilogies arent American. The Dollars trilogy, Trois Coleurs, CWP's Revenge trilogy, etc.

I have a LOT of issues with LOTR (well, the second and especially the third movies; the first is almost perfect and my favorite fantasy movie), but that is not a bad call either.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Gay Boy on August 12, 2007, 10:30:55 AM
I think this topic needs to be broadened to trilogies, without the American tag before it. Most of my favorite trilogies arent American. The Dollars trilogy, Trois Coleurs, CWP's Revenge trilogy, etc.

Agreed. I don't think the MWNN trilogy is American by any means but I had to create excuses because it's impossible to argue trilogies without bringing it up.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Ichirou on August 12, 2007, 10:36:30 AM
If we're just talking movie trilogies, it's no contest.  The Leone/Eastwood collaborations are easily the best trio of films ever.  Each one is great, and each subsequent one is better than the last, culminating in the awesome jizzfest that is The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Solo on August 12, 2007, 11:05:55 AM
And then OUATITW serves as the multiple orgasm.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: bud on August 12, 2007, 11:58:42 AM
fwiw, the potc trilogy is the most consistent one.



Consistently SHIT?

that's still consistent. i wasn't saying it was as good as  bourne, though :p
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Gay Boy on August 12, 2007, 12:38:15 PM
POTC is not consistent. The first one is a fresh unique great swashbuckler. The second & third are mediocre confusing messes that have a handful of fun scenes. Not consistent at all!

POTC 1: 9/10
POTC 2: 7/10
POTC 3: 6.5/10
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 12, 2007, 01:10:04 PM
POTC 1: 6/10
POTC 2: 4/10
POTC 3: 3/10
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Solo on August 12, 2007, 01:26:44 PM
I actually hated the first and the third, but mildly enjoyed the second. None are above like 6.5 territory. My biggest issue is that they are all needlessly long. Like, when a movie runs 5 minutes long, its no biggie. When its almost an hour, we have problems.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Ichirou on August 12, 2007, 01:33:00 PM
The second one was the best because of Davy Jones.  The third one was shit, and it ruins the Davy Jones character.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
THEY KILL THE KRAKEN OFFSCREEN!!! WHAT THE FUCK?!
[close]
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2007, 01:38:10 PM
Cajole  :'(

POTC1: 8
POTC2: 9
POTC3: 5
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Ichirou on August 12, 2007, 01:40:10 PM
I agree with PD's ranking except I'd rank PotC3 lower.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2007, 01:44:27 PM
Actually now that I think about it...I can't even justify giving it a 5. Off the top of my head all I remember from that movie is

-Horrible opening scene
-Peanuts
-Boat+sand
-Twist ending

Such a disappointment. If someone told me in March that POTC3 would be the most disappointing end of a trilogy in 2007, over Spider-Man 3 (which I was convinced would be utterly horrible), I'd have laughed.

Spiderman 3 :heartbeat
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Ichirou on August 12, 2007, 01:48:33 PM
I loved Spider-Man 3.  Most fun movie this summer, IMO.  Fuck the haters.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 12, 2007, 01:49:14 PM
ghost rider > spider-man 3
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Ichirou on August 12, 2007, 01:56:50 PM
I haven't seen Ghost Rider but it must be pretty fucking amazing, then.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 12, 2007, 01:57:07 PM
no, it's really not.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: bud on August 12, 2007, 01:57:44 PM
nicolas cage is in it
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2007, 01:58:43 PM
I think people simply didn't "get" Spiderman 3.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: bud on August 12, 2007, 01:59:08 PM
I think people simply didn't "get" Spiderman 3.

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/PhoenixDark1/camlost.gif)
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Ichirou on August 12, 2007, 01:59:44 PM
Spidey 3 is just a movie it's become popular to hate.  Meh, I thought the trailers were all uniformly terrible, but the movie itself is awesome.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2007, 02:02:33 PM
The trailers were horrible, as was all the news that would leak out of Comic Con/other places. I seriously thought it would suck and refused to see it. But a few weeks after its release I went and was impressed. Sure there are some bad parts (the first battle with Harry) but overall it's cool. And James Franco STEALS the entire movie :lol
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 12, 2007, 02:09:56 PM
SM3 was a piece of shit, period. I don't even remember much of the trailers, the movie just sucked shit.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 12, 2007, 03:52:43 PM
POTC1: 5
POTC2: -11
POTC3: Death of Narrative Cinema
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 12, 2007, 03:54:04 PM
potc2 wasn't THAT bad! sure, the forced love triangle (and orlando bloom/keira knightly's acting) sucked, but there were some great set piece battles, the cg was great, and the whole thing was well shot.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Oblivion on August 12, 2007, 03:54:10 PM
Fuck the hataz. Pirates 1 rocked. But I like high sea adventure shit, so meh.

Haven't seen SM3 yet.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Ichirou on August 13, 2007, 05:01:42 AM
POTC1 was a very average movie that people liked because of Depp's charm.  POTC2 was actually a very cool movie with a lot of imaginative characters/action sequences.  Then POTC3 pissed all the goodwill away by being an awful, awful movie.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 13, 2007, 05:08:18 AM
I saw it on opening day and the entire theater seemed to be thinking the same thing during the first 30min of the movie: where the fuck is Jack?. Too much of a good thing is a bad thing, but the decision to focus less on Jack and more on Will Turner/whats-her-name arc; and so much of Jack's presence was ruined by the  horrible peanut crap. Even the scene everyone seems to like - the final ship battle in the whirlpool - was average to me. All in all it was just an extremely disappointing movie for me. I really was on the edge of my seat after the end of POTC2. :-\
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 13, 2007, 12:31:50 PM
does Johnny Depp have a peanut addiction in the third movie or something
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 13, 2007, 12:34:55 PM
THE FUCKING PEANUT ARRRGHHH >:(
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: bud on August 13, 2007, 12:41:33 PM
i still haven't seen it. i liked the first two --i preferred the second one-- but the third one seems to be universally hated.

i'll rent it for johnny, geoffrey and the monkey.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 13, 2007, 12:59:36 PM
seriously, I didn't see it
why is everyone talking about peanuts
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Gay Boy on August 13, 2007, 01:00:54 PM
Depp tries to eat a peanut like 3 times in the movie.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Ichirou on August 13, 2007, 01:01:01 PM
There's a scene in the movie (that turns into a running gag) about Johnny Depp's character fighting with *spoiler* over a peanut.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 13, 2007, 01:20:25 PM
the monkey?
spoil away, I don't care.
does the peanut represent his mortality or something? if he eats it does he return from the spirit world? WHAT IS UP WITH THE PEANUT
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Ichirou on August 13, 2007, 10:21:52 PM
Here goes.  WARNING SPOILERS FOR A SHITTY MOVIE AHEAD

spoiler (click to show/hide)
He dies at the end of the second one and when you first meet him in Davy Jones's locker he's in the middle of a desert with the Black Pearl, and his crew consists of multiple copies of himself, all of them fighting for a single peanut.
[close]
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: etiolate on September 11, 2007, 06:35:55 AM
Lesse

#1. Bourne series is awesome. Ultimatum or Identity battle for the best of the trilogy. The chase scene in Morocco or whatever is fucking awesome.  It's a great scene which creates a very long period of tension, while visually displaying two themes beyond the spygame story of Bourne, a la Invasion of privacy and the main character's inner confusion.  The only prob with the third is they make Bourne more superhero than he was before.  The great thing about the first film was that Bourne got hurt, and you saw he got hurt.  He was believable and human.  In Ultimatum he survives like ten car crashes.

2. Pulp Fiction was very 90s, and maybe it defined the 90s, but I never loved it and Fight Club defined a generation.  PF was just the culture, not the feeling or most relevant of the era.

3. Seinfeld SUCKS

4. Julia Styles in black hair? Not so bad.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Vizzys on September 11, 2007, 06:43:24 AM
editthisohnoes
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Stocky on September 11, 2007, 07:23:50 AM
Fuck that, it's Spiderman!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
LOLZ WILLCO. LOLZ
[close]
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Mandark on September 11, 2007, 07:36:09 AM
Defined a generation?

Man, did anyone actually ditch their bar code lifestyle for a macho, spartan existence after seeing Fight Club?

I realize that FC's better than my feelings towards it, which are a bit warped by the fanboys who basically missed the point, but still.  Sometimes I think it would be a good double feature with American Beauty.  I don't mean that as a compliment.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Solo on September 11, 2007, 07:40:04 AM
Fight Club didnt define shit, outside the 17-20 year old "Im angry at my parents" male demo. As far as Im concerned, its not even debatable that Pulp Fiction is the movie that defines the 90's, whether you love it or hate it. Every time I revisit Fight Club I feel more embarassed that it was such a hit.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: etiolate on September 11, 2007, 08:21:29 AM
A movie with hero terrorists and a distaste for consumer lifestyle pretty much vibes with the undercurrent thoughts of a generation. 

It's like the Matrix, it wasn't really the special effects that made it ding with everyone, it was that idea of being stuck in a redundant program of a world, that things really don't feel like they've changed since the 90s, that we're in this loop and that some outside force isn't helping us but fucking with us. But people see the Matrix for the effects and jesus figure or whatnot, when that isn't where it really struck people.

FC and "fuck khaki pants" idea hit a nerve as well.  It's just we never follow through on these nerves.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Solo on September 11, 2007, 08:32:42 AM
I would put the Matrix much higher than Fight Club in a "defined the 90's" list. That is actually a pretty solid pick.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 11, 2007, 09:50:38 AM
Yea, I think etiolate's opinion is pretty much null and void at this point.
Title: Re: Why Bourne is the best American film trilogy ever made
Post by: Gay Boy on September 11, 2007, 10:02:45 AM
Films I say that defined the 90's:

Pulp Fiction (as stated)
The Matrix (as stated)
Titanic (For it's box office and sheer obsession amongst women it has to be included, defining a decade doesn't mean the film has to be amazing)
The Phantom Menace (Nor does defining a decade have to come from even just a GOOD film. Sadly Jar Jar Binks very much was a huge part of 90's culture as was the double-bladed lightsaber darth maul shit)