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Title: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 19, 2007, 05:17:12 PM: I vote for Abrams.

Nolan's movies are good ideas, awkwardly executed. His fans overlook the lame parts (usually the third act) to focus on the parts that work. There's stuff to like in his movies, but overall, they fall short of delivering on their great promise.

On the other hand, Abrams' movies are bad ideas, confusingly executed. His fans use the fact that his movies and TV shows make no fucking sense to argue that "you just don't understand" or "wait until all is revealed." This continues until the fans themselves realize it was all smoke monsters and mirrors and quietly, sheepishly move on--usually around season 5.

In conclusion, The Dark Knight will be campy fun disguised beneath a layer of "serious" grit, and Cloverfield will be 2 hours of Abrams masturbating himself raw at his own cleverness.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 19, 2007, 05:18:30 PM: What has Abrams even done, other than Lost?

Oh, Alias.

Yea, he sucks.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: bud on August 19, 2007, 05:21:29 PM: how exactly is nolan overrated? insomnia, memento and bb were awesome and supposedly the prestige is awesome, too. and tdk is going to be the comicbook adaptation of 2k8.

jj abrams has directed mi3 and a couple of lost & alias (lol) episodes.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 19, 2007, 05:21:39 PM: Abrams also did Mission Impossible 3.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 19, 2007, 05:21:48 PM: OMG NERD CINEMA THREAD OMG IM BETTAR DIRECTOR THAN PEOPLE WHO DO IT 4 LIVING
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 19, 2007, 05:22:31 PM: He appears to also have written Armageddon.

Go talk about anime, MAF.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: bud on August 19, 2007, 05:23:28 PM: Quote from: CajoleJuice on August 19, 2007, 05:22:31 PM
He appears to also have written Armageddon.

the motherfucker let bruce die.

if he was an awesome writer he would've found a way to make bruce save the world without dying.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 19, 2007, 05:24:28 PM: Nolan deserves it all. Abrams is a cigarillo and a scientologist. MI:3 was the worst peice of trash ever. The only thing worse was John Woo's diarrhea of a film MI:2
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 19, 2007, 05:29:27 PM: Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 19, 2007, 05:24:28 PM
Nolan deserves it all. Abrams is a cigarillo and a scientologist. MI:3 was the worst peice of trash ever. The only thing worse was John Woo's diarrhea of a film MI:2

OH no way in HELL do you get to be in here FoC! Youre the worst movie guy on the planet!
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 19, 2007, 05:32:05 PM: why, looks dumb

Watch some dumb himuro girl animu!
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 19, 2007, 05:32:25 PM: Quote from: MrAngryFace on August 19, 2007, 05:29:27 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 19, 2007, 05:24:28 PM
Nolan deserves it all. Abrams is a cigarillo and a scientologist. MI:3 was the worst peice of trash ever. The only thing worse was John Woo's diarrhea of a film MI:2

OH no way in HELL do you get to be in here FoC! Youre the worst movie guy on the planet!

Back in where?

Abrams sucks dick.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 19, 2007, 05:33:48 PM: EAT A BUTT!
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 19, 2007, 05:37:19 PM: nolan rocks cocks in city blocks. patel, i'm gonna shiv you in the scrotum and THEN take a dump between pages 185 and 186 of light! :punch :punch

rygar, superbad was superschizo. it was two movies: one really funny and heartfelt (if a little ridiculous), and one distinguished mentally-challenged and unfunny beyond belief. it's no knocked up!
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 19, 2007, 05:38:09 PM: Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on August 19, 2007, 05:17:12 PM
Nolan's movies are good ideas, awkwardly executed. His fans overlook the lame parts (usually the third act) to focus on the parts that work. There's stuff to like in his movies, but overall, they fall short of delivering on their great promise.

:tbslol :tbslol :tbslol
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 19, 2007, 06:19:44 PM: I laughed during Super bad. Well worth the free preview screening.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 19, 2007, 06:19:59 PM: I used to really like Nolan--Memento was clever and fun, and his short film Following is also enjoyable.

But:

- Insomnia is poo.
- Batman Begins is ridiculous if you try to rewatch it.
- The Prestige ended up being a so-so double, instead of the easy home run any movie with David Bowie as Tesla should be.

He's done nothing but disappoint since his freshman effort! Some were big disappointments, some were small, but all were less than they could have been.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2007, 06:20:46 PM: Quote from: CajoleJuice on August 19, 2007, 05:18:30 PM
What has Abrams even done, other than Lost?

Oh, Alias.

Yea, he sucks.

Don't forget the classic Mission Impossible 3!

...
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 19, 2007, 06:27:14 PM: Synth posts are ridiculous!
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 19, 2007, 06:29:58 PM: Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on August 19, 2007, 06:19:59 PM
I used to really like Nolan--Memento was clever and fun, and his short film Following is also enjoyable.

Im pretty sure following is a feature. Or there is a feature length following by him.

Batman Begins is still awesome.

This is just another classic case of internet elitism. "OMG Batman was popular it sucks you guys, I should know. LOLz"
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 19, 2007, 06:31:45 PM: I'm gonna make a thread called.

"REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Orsen Wells or Michael Bay?"
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2007, 06:35:03 PM: Insomnia was cool Synth wtf :-\

Is Memento really a good movie? I want to see it.

The Prestige: 9.5/10
Batman Begins: 8.5/10
Insomnia: good but I haven't seen it all

Edit: wtf FoC
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: TVC15 on August 19, 2007, 06:35:43 PM: I don't even think JJ Abrams is overrated. Who overrates him, exactly?

Nolan wins this easily. He's directed 1 round the board great movie, but from the noise you hear online you'd think he was Orson Welles.

Also, FoC, you are distinguished mentally-challenged, Abrams is not a Scientologist.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 19, 2007, 06:36:39 PM: Orson Wells SUCKED thats right, I went there. Black and White Old Movies are CRAP. Bam!

Also Last Dragon > *
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 19, 2007, 06:36:59 PM: There are Sci Fans that masterbate to Abrams. He's almost as bad as Wheedon. Nolan is a solid director that makes solid movies.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 19, 2007, 06:38:18 PM: Quote from: MrAngryFace on August 19, 2007, 06:36:39 PM
Orson Wells SUCKED thats right, I went there. Black and White Old Movies are CRAP. Bam!

Also Last Dragon > *

I dont know, I felt that Touch of Evil fell short of delivering on it's great promise.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 19, 2007, 06:38:32 PM: The Prestige really wasn't that good.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 19, 2007, 06:39:03 PM: I dunno, I enjoyed Batman Begins. And I think it's fun. But it's not serious or dark or gritty. It's as goofy as the Burton flicks, just with better cast.

The way people talk about the movie you would think it's some kind of Jonathan Demme-hemmed psychological portrait of what drives a man to act outside the law as opposed to just nananananananana nanananananana BAT-MAN!
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 19, 2007, 06:40:13 PM: Batman Begins did not have the joker dancing to prince in the middle of the fucking movie!!!! :maf
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: TVC15 on August 19, 2007, 06:41:05 PM: Ain't nothing wrong with dancing to Prince, cigarillo.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 19, 2007, 06:42:06 PM: Quote from: TVC 15 on August 19, 2007, 06:41:05 PM
Ain't nothing wrong with dancing to Prince, cigarillo.

Just saying that the burton movies are way more goofy.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 19, 2007, 06:45:08 PM: Cajole UR DUMB TODAY
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 19, 2007, 06:47:15 PM: NO YOU
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 19, 2007, 06:57:17 PM: Secret message for everybody but Willco below. WILLCO DON'T READ THIS:
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guys i don't really hate Nolan this thread was just bait for Willlco to come in and start defending Abrams. now you've gone and ruined it!
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Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 19, 2007, 06:59:47 PM: Abrams also created the WB melodrama Felicity.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2007, 06:35:03 PM
Insomnia was cool Synth wtf :-\

It might be cool if you never saw the original.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: TVC15 on August 19, 2007, 07:18:33 PM: Quote from: distantmantra on August 19, 2007, 06:59:47 PM
Abrams also created the WB melodrama Felicity.

The best thing he's done, for what it's worth.

I still don't see how Abrams is overrated--I don't think he's overrated and I don't think he's underrated. He had very little to do with Lost outside of the (yes, excellent) pilot, and his last major movie, MI3, was a huge disappointment. Alias, while being a fave among critics in its early days, lost public attention fairly quickly, requiring a fairly extensive retooling in the second season.

I mean, I guess his name being attached to Lost has gotten him some hype, but his involvement in that series was one of its best moments, so I can't see him being overrated because of Lost.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 19, 2007, 07:19:28 PM: Yea, you do have a point there with Lost.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Gay Boy on August 19, 2007, 08:09:46 PM: Cloverfield? Abrams isn't writing or directing that, why'd you mention it? He is busy doing Star Trek. He just produced Cloverfield. He had nothing to do with the story/script/direction.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: TVC15 on August 19, 2007, 08:14:05 PM: Wait, Drew Goddard wrote Cloverfield? Maybe it will actually be decent, then. He was one of the better writers in the last seasons of Buffy and Angel.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Gay Boy on August 19, 2007, 08:19:27 PM: Yep, Goodard not Abrams.

Abrams writting/directing films are:
Taking Care of Business (1990) some damn comedy about James Belushi or something
Regarding Henry (1991) Harrison Ford loses his memory and becomes a good daddy lol
Forever Young (1992) lol mel gibson and frodo baggins
Gone Fishin' (1997) I dunno wtf this is. Fishing comedy with Danny Glover and Joe Pesci?
Armageddon (1998)
Mission: Impossible III (2006)
Star Trek (2008)
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: TVC15 on August 19, 2007, 08:22:00 PM: Jesus, I didn't realize he was behind shit that schmaltzy. I guess he's a better writer than he is a director. Or maybe he's really good at nothing and just knows how to pitch something and put a show together.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Gay Boy on August 19, 2007, 08:24:46 PM: Quote from: TVC 15 on August 19, 2007, 08:22:00 PM
Jesus, I didn't realize he was behind shit that schmaltzy. I guess he's a better writer than he is a director. Or maybe he's really good at nothing and just knows how to pitch something and put a show together.
Other way around. Most of that shit is stuff he wrote. His two-non writing, just directing credits are MI3 and 'Trek but I think he wrote on trek too but I am too lazy to look.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Bloodwake on August 19, 2007, 10:18:00 PM: Abrams is highly overrated. Highly. And I enjoyed M:I3 for the record. That still doesn't mean anything. People talk about Abrams like he's going to resurrect Star Trek. That's bullshit.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 19, 2007, 10:19:03 PM: Well Star Trek is in a pretty bad way these days, im pretty sure an ambulance with cut break-lines could save the series at this point.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: TVC15 on August 19, 2007, 10:19:30 PM: Quote from: Bloodwake on August 19, 2007, 10:18:00 PM
Abrams is highly overrated. Highly. And I enjoyed M:I3 for the record. That still doesn't mean anything. People talk about Abrams like he's going to resurrect Star Trek. That's bullshit.

I think just as many people (if not more) think he's going to flub Star Trek.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: border on August 19, 2007, 11:10:57 PM: Quote from: TVC 15 on August 19, 2007, 06:35:43 PM
I don't even think JJ Abrams is overrated. Who overrates him, exactly?
My thoughts exactly.

Abrams' fanboy following is nothing compared to Whedon.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Gay Boy on August 20, 2007, 12:22:42 AM: Abrams fanboy following is very small compared to fanboy driven directors like Whedon and Kevin Smith. It is basically Lost fanboys and now Trekkies.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 20, 2007, 12:23:48 AM: I really dont understand wheedon fanboys at all.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Gay Boy on August 20, 2007, 12:31:50 AM: Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 20, 2007, 12:23:48 AM
I really dont understand wheedon fanboys at all.
they really liked buffy and firefly? His shows appealed to cult loving geeks. Geeks love to obsess over things.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Ichirou on August 20, 2007, 12:53:59 AM: Didn't J.J. Abrams also create Felicity? He didn't really turn into a geek figure until he came up with Alias. Before that, he was just a master of schlock.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: TVC15 on August 20, 2007, 12:59:24 AM: Felicity is fucking awesome, so shut your fucking homojapual face.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Ichirou on August 20, 2007, 01:04:26 AM: :hehe :hehe :hehe

I love how she was in love with the two dudes but the guy who actually devirginized her was some random dude played by Simon Rex (whose previous claims to fame were MTV VJ and gay porn actor).
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: TVC15 on August 20, 2007, 01:10:40 AM: Ah ha! So you did watch! You just felt SHAME!
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: anthonyOA on August 20, 2007, 02:07:38 AM: abrams. nolan has atleast made me think once or twice during a film.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Ichirou on August 20, 2007, 07:06:42 AM: Quote from: TVC 15 on August 20, 2007, 01:10:40 AM
Ah ha! So you did watch! You just felt SHAME!

But of course. I was also seriously, deeply moved by Regarding Henry upon first viewing (no joke).
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Gay Boy on August 20, 2007, 08:59:08 AM: Yep, yep Felicity is Abrams. Felicity is probably the thing I like the most that Abrams has done lol. Keri Russell (the star of Felicity) says Abrams is going to force her to be in Star Trek even though she hates Star Trek as like a Klingon or something else absurd.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Ichirou on August 20, 2007, 09:31:39 AM: Keri Russell is pretty.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Gay Boy on August 20, 2007, 02:35:29 PM: I agree. Which is why Abrams is going to stick her in an absurd amount of makeup as a Klingon or some shit. :-\
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Ichirou on August 20, 2007, 09:29:31 PM: lol, no way. She'll be an Orion slave girl and be in a teeny bikini but painted all green.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Gay Boy on August 20, 2007, 09:36:12 PM: Quote from: Ichirou on August 20, 2007, 09:29:31 PM
lol, no way. She'll be an Orion slave girl and be in a teeny bikini but painted all green.
I dunno. Keri Russel when promoting Waitress said Abrams is going to make her be some ugly alien and is (sarcastically) dreading it. I will be shocked if Greg Grunberg isn't a red shirt who quickly dies off.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: Ichirou on August 21, 2007, 01:57:03 AM: Greg Grunberg is such an ugly-looking human being. :-\
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Who's more overrated, Christopher Nolan or JJ Abrams?
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 21, 2007, 02:00:43 AM: my favorite part of Mission Impossible 3 was imagining the backstory that led to Felicity clicking people off in that movie. Things must have been tough in between man.