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Title: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 29, 2007, 04:40:00 PM
srsly. when i was like 13, of course i was a rampant little homophobe, because nothing was more terrifying than the idea of being labeled "gay" and to compensate, i screamed about how i hated homos and how other kids were gay. then i turned, i dunno, 14 and it stopped mattering so much because even in a hillbilly town, i knew that if i wasn't aroused by dudes i wasn't gay so why should i care. didn't stop my classmates from freaking out about it until even their 30s, but half of them were sports fans and probably had shameful gay sex on the side anyhow.

so why the fuck do ADULTS flip out about fegs? don't pretend you're grossed out by it, 'cuz half you shitheels would drill a chick in her stinky winky given the opportunity, and another half of you have porn tastes that are far grosser than two dudes makin' the beast with two backs.

seriously, if gay people ick you out, YOU ARE A MANCHILD. reading the freeper forums, you'd think they'd just watched august underground (note: do NOT google) when all they'd seen was two well-groomed guys making out. IT'S AN ABERRATION OF NATURE they squeal, forgetting that NATURE MAKES PLENTY OF THINGS NOT INTENDED FOR REPRODUCTION -and- IT MADE TEH HOMO, and also most of them do things that are far more abhorrent to this mystical anthropomorphized notion of nature and/or its implication of God, like having tire fires in the back of the trailer park or shopping at Wal-Mart on a regular basis.

so shut the fuck up about fegs already. hell, Jesus was gay, and y'all worship him.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: jobber on August 29, 2007, 04:42:15 PM
no homo.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 29, 2007, 04:43:05 PM
i should add that i am listening to hicks from kent, wa squeal about senator craig on kiro 710 talk radio, and hence this thread was spawned.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 29, 2007, 04:45:03 PM
i should add that i am listing to hicks from kent, wa squeal about senator craig on kiro 710 talk radio, and hence this thread was spawned.

Haha, I should turn over to 710... well, I would've if the M's game wasn't on!
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Fragamemnon on August 29, 2007, 04:46:30 PM
Homosexuality, to many people, is looked on as some sort of union of taboo sexuality and a judeo-christian sense of godlessness.

atheist = bad
sexual pervert or deviant = creepy
the union of both = freak out city

I'm not that kind of person-my sister is a lesbian and she's too cool for school, and gay guys are just guys since, you know, I am not attracted to them.

fuck drinky stop listening to AM radio. the seattle npr station is quite good.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 29, 2007, 04:48:07 PM
Most radio political shows are ultra conservative.  It's pretty scary the stuff that you hear from those people sometimes.  Like people who are outraged at people that are outraged about Bush's claim of the deaths of at least 100,000 innocent civilians in Iraq.  They're like, "what's the big deal about 100,000 deaths?",  "the complainers are traitors to this country and should be locked up", etc...  I seriously don't understand why it is so wrong to care about the lives of other human beings, including foreigners and homosexuals.  Isn't that what Jesus taught everyone?  
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: TVC15 on August 29, 2007, 04:48:49 PM
I am listening to Of Montreal

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Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 29, 2007, 04:50:51 PM
It always struck me as funny how guys would be scared homosexuals would like, jump out of bushes and poke them in the pooper. I mean thats just ridiculous haha.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: demi on August 29, 2007, 04:52:57 PM
I would drill a guy in his stinky winky, given the opportunity

A hole is a hole is a hole
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 29, 2007, 04:53:16 PM
It always struck me as funny how guys would be scared homosexuals would like, jump out of bushes and poke them in the pooper. I mean thats just ridiculous haha.

When I was in the dorm, they always had stories about guys that would be made unconscious by their gay roomates and then wake up later with sore butts.  

I would drill a guy in his stinky winky, given the opportunity

A hole is a hole is a hole

Mod consoles and sell pirated software so that you end up in jail.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 29, 2007, 04:53:53 PM
OR IS IT, MAF

i listen to kiro because npr is dry and boring. like i give a shit about the history of jazz or the story of a woman who struggled to save her village in south america! kiro has people shouting and saying amazingly awful things.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 29, 2007, 04:54:00 PM
I've always found it ironic that straight people are more likely to molest their own children than gay people who adopt kids.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 29, 2007, 04:57:38 PM
I dont think it's gross I think its hilarious.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 29, 2007, 04:59:36 PM
You know, before I got here I didn't think I was homophobic, then himu (who said he was bi) started making passes at me and it really freaked me out because I thought he was real.  :lol   Only time I've been scared of teh gay. 

I think it's just something people are scared off because they don't understand it or aren't use to it. 
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: etiolate on August 29, 2007, 04:59:42 PM
I am not so sure there is a real freak out.  Homophobia has always been a poorly made word, as people aren't afraid of homosexuals, they just have been brought up with moral disagreements with it.  Radio talk is just a place for freak outs in general.

I think the only real freak out is a person's first thought of two of the same gender having relations, sexually and romantic.  It gives a feeling of strangeness and confusion at first.  Past that, and since it's a major part of pop culture now, it is just another groupism.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Mupepe on August 29, 2007, 05:00:52 PM
gay sex doesn't really freak me out.  i like to flirt with guys, but i don't think a dick in my mouth would turn me on.  I should try it out though.

i bet if i got drunk with tvc, i'd end up asking him to let me blow him to see if i like it.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Mandark on August 29, 2007, 05:01:30 PM
[youtube=425,350]B996XPC2eD8[/youtube]


Cause marginalizing the poofs wins you Man Points, and hopefully gets people to overlook your bow tie, your appearance on a celebrity dance show, and that time a comedian got your show canceled with a single guest spot.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 29, 2007, 05:03:40 PM
Because I just want to pee in a public restroom without having to play footsie with a cher crossdresser.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 29, 2007, 05:04:50 PM
It's not that I'm against it or anything.  You're gay?  That's great.  You have a partner?  I bet you're happy.  I'm just not really, you know, interested in what they do.  I like women–anything other than that just isn't for me.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 29, 2007, 05:05:12 PM
Because I just want to pee in a public restroom without having to play footsie with a cher crossdresser.

Gays aren't intersted in straights.  Although they might sodomize you for being a dumbass.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: etiolate on August 29, 2007, 05:05:23 PM
I do actually hate when people talk to me in a restroom, especially at the urinal.  This is my private time!
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 29, 2007, 05:08:13 PM
if they're harassing you in a restroom, it's because you look like an uptight asshole, and who according to evilbore DOESN'T want to fuck with an uptight asshole? just suck their dick and they'll be cool with you. it's not really a problem.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 29, 2007, 05:09:55 PM
wait, Tucker admits on TV that he beat the crap out of a guy for soliciting him in a restroom? that's so messed up on so many levels
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: demi on August 29, 2007, 05:10:14 PM
Trucker stops make good dates
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 29, 2007, 05:11:12 PM
how could tucker beat anyone up, much less a truckstop bear? he probably got a train run on his ass.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Mandark on August 29, 2007, 05:17:41 PM
You know, us librulz tend to think of this as a Bible-thumper issue, but there's a ton of hate directed at the whole GLBT spectrum by people who don't give a crap about Jesus (and don't pretend to).

It's probably as boring and simple as people conforming to the gender norms they were brought up with, and getting really bothered when they come under attack.  It's also a chance to show how masculine (not gay) you yourself are without having to do anything harder than having (or faking) the most common orientation.

It is funny how even a lot of "tolerant" types will take the time to tell you without being asked that they're 100% completely hetero, or to explain their paranoid fantasy world in which they're constantly besieged by aggressive and amorous swishes (who apparently find the author irresistible).
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Mupepe on August 29, 2007, 05:18:55 PM
i tried a finger in my butt and i didn't care for it.  i wonder if it would feel better or worse with a penis in my butt.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 29, 2007, 05:20:56 PM
I have a question for you guys. If you were in a debate class and had to argue against gay marriage or against society being accepting of gays how would you argue it? Im curious about how you would play devil's advocate in this situation.

For example,
In my speech class I had to argue for Rape.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: TVC15 on August 29, 2007, 05:21:41 PM
wait, Tucker admits on TV that he beat the crap out of a guy for soliciting him in a restroom? that's so messed up on so many levels

His story seemed really truthy.  
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 29, 2007, 05:22:26 PM
yeah, i'd venture most of my hs buddies weren't bible freaks, but they were raging fagbashers nonetheless. in at least couple cases, i *know* thay had latent homosexual issues and had even experimented with it, although if you even hinted at it they'd try to tie you to the back of their pick-em-up truck.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 29, 2007, 05:23:56 PM
yeah, i'd venture most of my hs buddies weren't bible freaks, but they were raging fagbashers nonetheless. in at least couple cases, i *know* thay had latent homosexual issues and had even experimented with it, although if you even hinted at it they'd try to tie you to the back of their pick-em-up truck.

How did you find out?  It sounds like a real life Brokeback Mountain story. 
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Mandark on August 29, 2007, 05:24:07 PM
wait, Tucker admits on TV that he beat the crap out of a guy for soliciting him in a restroom? that's so messed up on so many levels

He doesn't seem repentant at all, AND he cops to needing a friend there to work up the courage.  I assume he's modified the facts to make himself look better, and he still comes off as a complete puss.

I assume he doesn't think this is acceptable behavior for women who are the subject of unwanted passes from guys.  So the lesson here isn't to harass other people in hopes of sex, but to not be gay.

And Tucker is one of the least gay-hating right-wingers there is.  He says so himself.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: drohne on August 29, 2007, 05:24:41 PM
For example,
In my speech class I had to argue for Rape.


did your argument go 'how else am i ever going to get any'

because that would've been pretty convincing
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 29, 2007, 05:24:45 PM
I have a question for you guys. If you were in a debate class and had to argue against gay marriage or against society being accepting of gays how would you argue it? Im curious about how you would play devil's advocate in this situation.

For example,
In my speech class I had to argue for Rape.



see, the whole difference between us and you, is we don't stoop to your level
good job trying to trick us into holding a morally reprehensible conversation through the "debate class" frame story however
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Mondain on August 29, 2007, 05:25:01 PM
duh, straight males are often fazed and resent gays because their very existence messes with their most basic nature, which is to seek willing females and reproduce

and because they have special privileges; it's seen as frowned upon to do or say anything that might be interpreted as anti-gay, but society doesn't mind other kinds of heinous behaviors... they don't like the double standard and pin their spite on them
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 29, 2007, 05:25:19 PM
smooth groove, ever been to an hs party? if you stay sober long enough, you'll ALWAYS see some surprising shiz.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Saint Cornelius on August 29, 2007, 05:25:50 PM
Gays aren't intersted in straights. 


I've been hit on by more guys in my lifetime than I have women. And I mean apart from some things done out of drunken curiosity, I'm pretty fucking straight.

And TVC would bear my children if he could. So, don't really know where you come up with "gays aren't interested in straights". I'm sure Dan Savage has something to say about this.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 29, 2007, 05:25:57 PM
mondain, are you gay
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Saint Cornelius on August 29, 2007, 05:26:43 PM
Mondain, why was it necessary for you to say "duh"?
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Mondain on August 29, 2007, 05:27:12 PM
stop inquiring, creepo
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 29, 2007, 05:28:09 PM
duh, white males are often fazed and resent black men having oral or anal sex with white women because its very existence messes with their most basic nature, which is to reproduce

and because they have special privileges; it's seen as frowned upon to do or say anything that might be interpreted as anti-black, but society doesn't mind other kinds of heinous behaviors... they don't like the double standard and pin their spite on them
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Mandark on August 29, 2007, 05:29:02 PM
and because they have special privileges; it's seen as frowned upon to do or say anything that might be interpreted as anti-gay

Homophobia didn't exist until after people made homophobia taboo?  That's some trick
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 29, 2007, 05:29:05 PM
stop inquiring, creepo

have you ever thought you might like having a hard eager cock poke your tonsils

just asking, no homo
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Saint Cornelius on August 29, 2007, 05:29:17 PM
get out from behind the keyboard, Mondain. every post of yours is a cry for human interaction.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Fragamemnon on August 29, 2007, 05:31:41 PM
yeah, i'd venture most of my hs buddies weren't bible freaks, but they were raging fagbashers nonetheless. in at least couple cases, i *know* thay had latent homosexual issues and had even experimented with it, although if you even hinted at it they'd try to tie you to the back of their pick-em-up truck.

My experiences are clouded by living in the southern baptist bible belt all my life, mostly in small towns. Even if you aren't a religious person, your sense of morality is at least somewhat influenced, at least early on, by the huge cutlural influence of those churches on the community.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 29, 2007, 05:35:29 PM
see, the whole difference between us and you, is we don't stoop to your level
good job trying to trick us into holding a morally reprehensible conversation through the "debate class" frame story however

Ah yes, it must be easy to only ever see one side of an argument.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 29, 2007, 05:38:21 PM
Gays aren't intersted in straights. 


I've been hit on by more guys in my lifetime than I have women. And I mean apart from some things done out of drunken curiosity, I'm pretty fucking straight.

And TVC would bear my children if he could. So, don't really know where you come up with "gays aren't interested in straights". I'm sure Dan Savage has something to say about this.

I heard that from gay classmates in College.  They claimed that straight guys worry for no reason because they aren't attracted to straights, no matter how good looking they are. 
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Mondain on August 29, 2007, 05:39:13 PM
and because they have special privileges; it's seen as frowned upon to do or say anything that might be interpreted as anti-gay

Homophobia didn't exist until after people made homophobia taboo?  That's some trick

that's a modern reality, everything is turned to some political fight
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 29, 2007, 05:39:27 PM
Gays aren't intersted in straights. 


I've been hit on by more guys in my lifetime than I have women. And I mean apart from some things done out of drunken curiosity, I'm pretty fucking straight.

And TVC would bear my children if he could. So, don't really know where you come up with "gays aren't interested in straights". I'm sure Dan Savage has something to say about this.

I heard that from gay classmates in College.  They claimed that straight guys worry for no reason because they aren't attracted to straights, no matter how good looking they are. 

Just like straight men are never attracted to lesbians no matter how hot.

Oh wait...
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 29, 2007, 05:40:53 PM
Gays aren't intersted in straights. 


I've been hit on by more guys in my lifetime than I have women. And I mean apart from some things done out of drunken curiosity, I'm pretty fucking straight.

And TVC would bear my children if he could. So, don't really know where you come up with "gays aren't interested in straights". I'm sure Dan Savage has something to say about this.

I heard that from gay classmates in College.  They claimed that straight guys worry for no reason because they aren't attracted to straights, no matter how good looking they are. 

Just like straight men are never attracted to lesbians no matter how hot.

Oh wait...

My God, you really are an idiot.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: aoi tsuki on August 29, 2007, 05:40:58 PM
The only gays that freak me out are the older types and the bears that come on to me. It's not that getting hit on by guys my age is awesome, but getting hit on by the first two groups makes me want to vomit.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 29, 2007, 05:41:55 PM
that makes no sense as an analogy, foc.

as for debates: sometimes, there is only one side worth arguing.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: tiesto on August 29, 2007, 05:42:13 PM
FoC: In a freshman colloquium class at college, the class was divided into different teams, and each of them had to argue both for and against a controversial topic... i.e. abortion, gay marriage, drug legalization, etc... my group got stuck with "gay marriage"... I forgot exactly what we said when arguing against it, mostly just repeating the same tired arguments like "it violates the sanctity of marriage!" and "the Bible says its bad".
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Mandark on August 29, 2007, 05:42:49 PM
My experiences are clouded by living in the southern baptist bible belt all my life, mostly in small towns. Even if you aren't a religious person, your sense of morality is at least somewhat influenced, at least early on, by the huge cutlural influence of those churches on the community.

It goes the other way, too (lol, punz).  I'd say it's 25% Bible-thumpers influencing the community, and 75% the community's existing biases getting retconned as divine intervention, rather than the inherited (and arbitrary) social conventions they are.

Think of the religious arguments against miscegenation that were used for centuries, then abruptly dumped.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Saint Cornelius on August 29, 2007, 05:43:31 PM
My God, you really are an idiot.


What was idiotic about what he said (this time)?


that makes no sense as an analogy, foc.


Why not?
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 29, 2007, 05:44:42 PM

as for debates: sometimes, there is only one side worth arguing.

What about lawyers who are required to defend criminals that are guilty?
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 29, 2007, 05:45:36 PM
because straight women have no problem getting hot over gay guys -- see the yaoi phenomenon. his analogy of reversing the gender is correctly posited by asking why women don't freak out over seeing lesbians have sex -- which is false, because many women do. sadly, my wife doesn't much like the hot lady-on-lady action. :'( it is a cruel world.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 29, 2007, 05:46:26 PM

as for debates: sometimes, there is only one side worth arguing.

What about lawyers who are required to defend criminals that are guilty?

because they are innocent until PROVEN guilty; hence, they are not a priori guilty?

you dumbfuck.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Mandark on August 29, 2007, 05:49:28 PM
Of course some gay guys will be attracted to some straight guys.  Ya know why?

People having unrequited feelings of lust happens ALL THE TIME, on each side of the fence, and across it.  That was how I spent most of my time in high school.

The only reason to bring it up as a uniquely gay thing, or to see it only as a problem when gay dudes to it towards straight dudes, is because you think being gay is wrong and icky and can't they have the decency to hide who they are from us normals?
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Saint Cornelius on August 29, 2007, 05:54:31 PM
because straight women have no problem getting hot over gay guys -- see the yaoi phenomenon. his analogy of reversing the gender is correctly posited by asking why women don't freak out over seeing lesbians have sex -- which is false, because many women do. sadly, my wife doesn't much like the hot lady-on-lady action. :'( it is a cruel world.

ah okay, I didn't really think about how he changed the gender like that. it's not a good analogy, you're right.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 29, 2007, 05:57:09 PM
i dunno. if i were a chick and foc was attracted to me, i'd probably be a little eep'd out.

also, just to play the devil's advocate, guys tend to suspect the sort of filth that goes through other dudes' minds more so than women might suspect. when a dude looks at us like a piece of meat, we know just how close to the butcher we are -- and in the case of many closeted homophobes, that thin white line is probably very very thin :o
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Mandark on August 29, 2007, 05:59:16 PM
Mandark said it best.  Ever been attracted to a girl who doesn't like you?  I'm sure you have.  The thing is she probably treated as a normal occurence, not as something so despicable that she wanted to vomit.

Note: Bz or Shake, if you are reading this, it does not apply to you.





edit: Beaten to the draw!
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: TVC15 on August 29, 2007, 06:05:46 PM
Note that I am only attracted to Corny due to the latent homosexuality indicated by his penchant for Hawaiian shirts and clamato.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 29, 2007, 06:11:00 PM
i dunno. if i were a chick and foc was attracted to me, i'd probably be a little eep'd out.

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Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: hyp on August 29, 2007, 06:14:49 PM
homos don't freak me out.  i just wouldn't want to get raped by one.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: TVC15 on August 29, 2007, 06:15:28 PM
homos don't freak me out.  i just wouldn't want to get raped by one.

What if it was a straight dude raping you because he was confused and high on PCP?
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Mandark on August 29, 2007, 06:16:06 PM
"That white guy is looking at me weird, like he wants to tell me what I can and can't do with my ova.  I don't know why I'd get that feeling..."
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 29, 2007, 06:29:10 PM
it might not be rape. you can't declare rape until the sexual encounter is over!
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: hyp on August 29, 2007, 06:29:21 PM
homos don't freak me out.  i just wouldn't want to get raped by one.

What if it was a straight dude raping you because he was confused and high on PCP?

that'd be a great compliment!   :-*
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: aoi tsuki on August 29, 2007, 06:33:53 PM
homos don't freak me out.  i just wouldn't want to get raped by one.
Pretty sure no one wants to be raped.
i'm pretty sure that depends on a lot of variables.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Oblivion on August 29, 2007, 06:51:30 PM
Gays aren't intersted in straights. 
I've been hit on by more guys in my lifetime than I have women. And I mean apart from some things done out of drunken curiosity, I'm pretty fucking straight.

+1

Mentioned it before, but I got hit on by 11 guys so far. The most recent instance was a few months ago, with my previous landlord (who was in his 60s).  :-\
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Ichirou on August 29, 2007, 10:08:22 PM
My family's Catholic, but growing up I never heard any of them say anything negative about gay people.  That might be because I have gay family members so they were more accepting of the whole thing.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: brawndolicious on August 29, 2007, 10:45:38 PM
My family's Catholic, but growing up I never heard any of them say anything negative about gay people.  That might be because I have gay family members so they were more accepting of the whole thing.
yeah but a few aren't.  I had a gay friend who didn't come out to his catholic family and another friend there got into a pretty heated argument with them in front of him defending gays.

I don't think catholics are particularly more homophobe but if you're at all a homophobe, you're going to be pretty closed-minded and stubborn.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: etiolate on August 29, 2007, 11:13:12 PM
okay let's just be honest here

Anti-gay and pro-gay are both just ways of being self-righteous.  Within one community it is self righteous to be against gays and hold up a certain moral code, and within the other community it is self righteous to show how accepting you are without question.

Obviously both can not be right, and hating someone can not be right, and blindly accepting things without question is not right either.

You see a lot less of either when there is no community around them to back their stance up, and a real discussion of the subject is rare because someone feigns offense and everyone resorts back to self righteousness.

SO

Are you guys going to have a real discussion, be willing to question, forget whatever you find righteous or just be like rednecks hate gays cuz they fuck pigs?

Because I like the real discussion.  The real morality of it, how strong the bible is about it, if it is a choice or something born in, why does it offend us, how does it make all parties involved feel,  how we should treat it and all that.


oh and PS:
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I am totally against overtly hitting on guys or girls.  It's just a pathetic sight and extremely annoying to be a part of. Also, there are social places and there are NOT social places. A bathroom is not a social place. My bathroom time is my peace time.  Public bathrooms are evil. When I take a dump, it is a nice relaxing feeling.  When I finally pee after holding it in forever, it is a great relief.  If a dude comes up to me and is "WASSUP?" it really ticks me off.  I am meditating with my pants down, don't bother me.
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Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Ichirou on August 29, 2007, 11:15:41 PM
So, you're saying...you want...real talk?
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Mandark on August 30, 2007, 12:51:49 AM
et: I appreciate the sentiment of wanting a higher level of discourse, I really do, but...  come on, dude.

Some opinions can and should be dismissed out of hand.  Ridicule and dismissal, as mean and shallow as they are, are effective tools to enforce social norms.  "Don't treat people like shit for being gay" seems obvious enough to me that I'm willing to deploy sarcasm and snark to enforce it.

Yeah, there's discussion to be had on the margins, working out the details, which can still be very important to people's everyday lives, and if you want to find it, there's all sorts pomo, third-wave feminist discourse get involved with.

But at some point, you've gotta set up the little wooden figure saying "YOUR ARGUMENT MUST BE THIS SANE TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY."  I'm not interested in having to feign consideration for the idea that Southern slavery was an altruistic institution, that the gulags and the Stasi and the Great Cultural Revolution were legit responses to American subterfuge, that Jews secretly run the world's finances, or that we should hate fegs cause God does.

I'm kind of interested in whatever psychosocial forces make people think crazy, horrible things, but I'm not about to dignify those thoughts as being in the same area code as rational.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: etiolate on August 30, 2007, 01:48:47 AM
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et: I appreciate the sentiment of wanting a higher level of discourse, I really do, but...  come on, dude.

Ayeee. I guess I just was bored by the circle jerk. 

Obviously it's not really worth time to pander to nuts, but I just like to make sure they are nuts and not misrepresented. 
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: etiolate on August 30, 2007, 01:49:07 AM
So, you're saying...you want...real talk?

damn you
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: brawndolicious on August 30, 2007, 02:13:56 AM
et, I don't care if you're a homo or not but why are you talking about your bathroom habits?
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: etiolate on August 30, 2007, 02:29:02 AM
The tucker clip reminded me of one of my pet peeves.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: brawndolicious on August 30, 2007, 02:42:25 AM
oh, I didn't read the thread.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Mondain on August 30, 2007, 10:15:26 AM
et: I appreciate the sentiment of wanting a higher level of discourse, I really do, but...  come on, dude.

Some opinions can and should be dismissed out of hand.  Ridicule and dismissal, as mean and shallow as they are, are effective tools to enforce social norms.  "Don't treat people like shit for being gay" seems obvious enough to me that I'm willing to deploy sarcasm and snark to enforce it.

Yeah, there's discussion to be had on the margins, working out the details, which can still be very important to people's everyday lives, and if you want to find it, there's all sorts pomo, third-wave feminist discourse get involved with.

But at some point, you've gotta set up the little wooden figure saying "YOUR ARGUMENT MUST BE THIS SANE TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY."  I'm not interested in having to feign consideration for the idea that Southern slavery was an altruistic institution, that the gulags and the Stasi and the Great Cultural Revolution were legit responses to American subterfuge, that Jews secretly run the world's finances, or that we should hate fegs cause God does.

I'm kind of interested in whatever psychosocial forces make people think crazy, horrible things, but I'm not about to dignify those thoughts as being in the same area code as rational.

It's worse than that. Any opinion that has any kind of anti-gay, "racist", sexist or bigoted innuendo embedded into it is automatically tossed aside. That's the mental reflex that is massively taught to people. Every time that for example, they read a newspaper, they're reminded of how incredibly outrageous and frowned upon it is to hold such thoughts, and that any such view is dumb and wrong.

People who think such things might be inhumane and very insolent, but they are not necessarily dumb; they might convey an intelligent viewpoint. To find the truth, you need to examine the two opposing sides of any argumentation thoroughly. No matter how obscene or irrational some people may feel that these kinds of opinions might be, they deserve to be examined with some sort of intellectual honesty and neutrality.

To sanitize everything is just plain wrong. The world isn't even or cuddly. By thinking compassionately towards everyone, in the end in some cases you just plainly deny some data that is based on empiricism. There are certain sorts of truths and awful facts that are disadvantageous for certain races, minorities and whatnot, which will never be discussed or quoted anymore in any media outlet.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: demi on August 30, 2007, 02:31:56 PM
homos don't freak me out.  i just wouldn't want to get raped by one.

So I guess the BBQ is off then...
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Tauntaun on August 30, 2007, 02:33:55 PM
homos are teh ghey and if you don't like it, then you can just GET OUT!


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Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Nick on August 30, 2007, 03:01:27 PM
I can kinda understand why people would be freaked out by my lifestyle.  It's very post-modern/alternative in a lot of ways, and sometimes it even freaks me out a little.  Let's go over the facts.

-I have a boyfriend who I love dearly, but he's not the only one I love.  Ask the 9 other guys I've been with... in the last month.  *shiver*  Yeah yeah, slut total.  Proud of it.
-We get into some weird sex.  Pissing, spanking, tickling, rimming... all is par for the course in this strange world we call San Francisco.
-We proudly admit to being shallow and immature.  It's all about sex, and that means it's all about vanity.  If more people were honest about what they were looking for, we would have a lot less assholes on this Earth.

All of this shit is creepy to a lot of straight folks.  We fuck who we want, when we want, and we don't lie about it.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 30, 2007, 03:05:34 PM
I can kinda understand why people would be freaked out by my lifestyle.  It's very post-modern/alternative in a lot of ways, and sometimes it even freaks me out a little.  Let's go over the facts.

-I have a boyfriend who I love dearly, but he's not the only one I love.  Ask the 9 other guys I've been with... in the last month.  *shiver*  Yeah yeah, slut total.  Proud of it.
-We get into some weird sex.  Pissing, spanking, tickling, rimming... all is par for the course in this strange world we call San Francisco.
-We proudly admit to being shallow and immature.  It's all about sex, and that means it's all about vanity.   If more people were honest about what they were looking for, we would have a lot less assholes on this Earth.

All of this shit is creepy to a lot of straight folks.  We fuck who we want, when we want, and we don't lie about it.

Of course this freaks people out. But people like drinky that we should not only tolerate but accept and somehow try to understand pissing and shallow sex.

I for one don't give a shit what you do at home. I just don't want to hear about it when I am in public. You piss on each other while dressed in black leather? Great just dont throw a fucking parade to celebrate it.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: bud on August 30, 2007, 03:07:06 PM
i have no problems with gays whatsoever, never had and never will, but i don't really like the gays that act like girls. those are the types of gays that you see in mtv's dating shows and i always wonder why they can't just act like men, you know? and why do they mostly pick those kinds of gays for those shows, why not the ones who act normal? sure, you're gay but that doesn't mean you have to go all girly.

the only gay on mtv that didn't act like a girl, as far as i can remember, was karamo on real life. i know, mtv, lol.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Nick on August 30, 2007, 03:07:57 PM
I just don't want to hear about it when I am in public. You piss on each other while dressed in black leather? Great just dont throw a fucking parade to celebrate it.
Here's the thing: you're going to hear about it.  Why?  Because that's the fucking world we live in, Callandor.  Three words: Deal. With. It.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 30, 2007, 03:10:27 PM
Yea it exists. Just dont throw a little hissy fit and call people biggots when they dont want to hear about it.

There is a difference between tolerating and accepting it.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Nick on August 30, 2007, 03:12:20 PM
i have no problems with gays whatsoever, never had and never will, but i don't really like the gays that act like girls. those are the types of gays that you see in mtv's dating shows and i always wonder why they can't just act like men, you know? and why do they mostly pick those kinds of gays for those shows, why not the ones who act normal? sure, you're gay but that doesn't mean you have to go all girly.

That's who they are, you know?  I know you're being sincere and I think you're cool, bud, but it isn't an act.  Some gays act like guys, and some act like girls.  It's not like just because they are gay they feel they NEED to act like a girl.  Some people (like me) were RAISED by all girls.  And by all accounts, I'm very masculine and straight acting!  I do have a few effeminate qualities (the limp wrist thing and I cross my legs), but overall I'm just me.  I like dick, and I like Halo.  There's no act.  The girlies are just being who they are, and love them for it.  These days it takes real guts to be a queen in a world full of commoners.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: bud on August 30, 2007, 03:18:44 PM
i have no problems with gays whatsoever, never had and never will, but i don't really like the gays that act like girls. those are the types of gays that you see in mtv's dating shows and i always wonder why they can't just act like men, you know? and why do they mostly pick those kinds of gays for those shows, why not the ones who act normal? sure, you're gay but that doesn't mean you have to go all girly.

That's who they are, you know?  I know you're being sincere and I think you're cool, bud, but it isn't an act.  Some gays act like guys, and some act like girls.  It's not like just because they are gay they feel they NEED to act like a girl.  Some people (like me) were RAISED by all girls.  And by all accounts, I'm very masculine and straight acting!  I do have a few effeminate qualities (the limp wrist thing and I cross my legs), but overall I'm just me.  I like dick, and I like Halo.  There's no act.  The girlies are just being who they are, and love them for it.  These days it takes real guts to be a queen in a world full of commoners.

 :lol <3

that's true and i probably should've worded it differently. i'm only talking about the guys who act like girls just because they're gay. i mean, i saw this show a while back and this guy was like ''i don't know if i'm gay or not'' and during this fase he wouldn't act girly or anything (no offence) but when eventually realized he was, he'd go all girly all of a sudden, and those are the ones i was talking about.

edit: just be yourself (not directed at you), that's what i'm trying to say here. :-[
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Nick on August 30, 2007, 03:26:57 PM
:lol <3

that's true and i probably should've worded it differently. i'm only talking about the guys who act like girls just because they're gay. i mean, i saw this show a while back and this guy was like ''i don't know if i'm gay or not'' and during this fase he wouldn't act girly or anything (no offence) but when eventually realized he was, he'd go all girly all of a sudden, and those are the ones i was talking about.

I understand what you mean.  The guy was probably just trying to find out who he really was, and thought that was what you HAVE to do in order to be gay.  Either way, though, people are just people.  If he was just putting on a false pretense, love him for it anyway.  You have no idea how much fun the queen-y gays can be.  I used to dislike queens for a long time.  I thought it was stupid to act like a stereotype if you identified with a certain sub-culture of people.  But then I realized that it's just who they are, and they're fabulous for it.  I used to refuse to hang out with the queens, thinking they were silly and stupid, but I soon came to realize they are much more fun than the boring feggits I was associating with who hated the queens as much as me!
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 30, 2007, 03:51:53 PM
I do however, wish that gays would relinquish the use of the words gay and flamboyant.  I think having a one syllable word for happy is extremely important and flamboyant, well thats just a fun word but these words are no longer acceptable because of there homosexual meanings  :(

Free Flamboyant!

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Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: BobbyRobby on August 30, 2007, 07:11:42 PM
It may be biological or psychological, but once when a guy friend of mine tried to make out with me, I felt totally repulsed, and angered.  It was very different from the repulsion I'd feel hooking up with a really ugly chick.   

There are many gays who are attracted to straight guys.  I don't know how anyone could deny this, and think it's really wierd people are getting shit for saying so. 

Aside from being involved with physical homo acts, I have no problem with homosexuality.  I don't mind hearing about gay acts in the slightest, and can watch gay porn and laugh.  I can even kiss a gay man on the lips with no problem if there's no tongue involved.

Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Ichirou on August 30, 2007, 09:49:16 PM
I can kinda understand why people would be freaked out by my lifestyle.  It's very post-modern/alternative in a lot of ways, and sometimes it even freaks me out a little.  Let's go over the facts.

-I have a boyfriend who I love dearly, but he's not the only one I love.  Ask the 9 other guys I've been with... in the last month.  *shiver*  Yeah yeah, slut total.  Proud of it.
-We get into some weird sex.  Pissing, spanking, tickling, rimming... all is par for the course in this strange world we call San Francisco.
-We proudly admit to being shallow and immature.  It's all about sex, and that means it's all about vanity.  If more people were honest about what they were looking for, we would have a lot less assholes on this Earth.

All of this shit is creepy to a lot of straight folks.  We fuck who we want, when we want, and we don't lie about it.

Don't you worry about STDs?
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 30, 2007, 10:18:58 PM
nick, yer lifestyle would be just as creepy if it were heterosexual. the homosexuality is incidental. far less folks would freak out if you were whoring it up with a female.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 30, 2007, 10:21:38 PM

Of course this freaks people out. But people like drinky that we should not only tolerate but accept and somehow try to understand pissing and shallow sex.


i have a problem with the pissing and the shallow sex, yokel. i simply don't see why the homosexuality component should matter.

actually, i don't have a problem with the shallow sex -- but urine: ew!
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 30, 2007, 10:23:28 PM
Drinky thinks that anything other than the missionary position is kinky. 
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 30, 2007, 10:26:29 PM
wrong!
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 30, 2007, 10:37:15 PM
wrong!

Liar.  You've been sticking it in the same place for a decade. 
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: brawndolicious on August 31, 2007, 12:09:11 AM
you live in san francisco?  I don't live too far from you and I think you live in the same city willco works.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Mandark on August 31, 2007, 01:38:40 AM
i have a problem with the pissing and the shallow sex, yokel. i simply don't see why the homosexuality component should matter.

actually, i don't have a problem with the shallow sex -- but urine: ew!

As a discussion of The Gay progresses, it becomes more and more likely that someone will conflate homosexuality with:  Promiscuity, kinky sex, a lack of respect for boundaries, pedophilia, or rape.

FoC's just twisting himself into a pretzel in order to make himself the wronged group.

As if parades that are celebrations of a subculture that's been treated like complete shit for centuries is really about making FoC listen to Nick's sex life whether he wants to or not.  Why won't those damn homos stop making it so hard on us breeders!

He's use the ignore function, but then GLAAD's jack-booted enforcers would buttrape him or something.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Nick on August 31, 2007, 02:51:33 AM

Of course this freaks people out. But people like drinky that we should not only tolerate but accept and somehow try to understand pissing and shallow sex.


i have a problem with the pissing and the shallow sex, yokel. i simply don't see why the homosexuality component should matter.

actually, i don't have a problem with the shallow sex -- but urine: ew!

Personally, I don't get into the pissing.  My boyfriend is huge into that, and it took me months to finally come to terms with that sexual aspect of him.  For a while, I couldn't even look him in the eye, I was so ashamed of him.  But even thought it's gross and nasty and pigish, many people think just having sex with a man is gross and nasty and pigish.  I don't know where the lines are "drawn", but that's how I work around the fact that my boyfriend is into watersports.  Me, I'm very vanilla.  I like cuddling and kissing and touching and stuff.  Anything other than pretty regular sex kinda turns me off.  Still, my life revolves around a community that finds stuff like that okay, and I choose to feel the same way.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Synbios459 on August 31, 2007, 02:56:48 AM
I was told that being molested as a child will turn you gay.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: etiolate on August 31, 2007, 03:04:30 AM
Nick bringing new meaning to 'male pissing contest'.

And as I think Mandark was saying, Nick's sexual adventures reinforces the idea of homosexuality as a sexual diversion or disorder, an unacceptable level of lust or a part of a sinful debauchery instead of an adult relationship.
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 31, 2007, 03:55:51 AM
I was told that being molested as a child will turn you gay.

Do you talk to PD's mom online too? 
Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: drohne on August 31, 2007, 05:08:03 AM
I can kinda understand why people would be freaked out by my lifestyle.  It's very post-modern/alternative in a lot of ways, and sometimes it even freaks me out a little.  Let's go over the facts.

-I have a boyfriend who I love dearly, but he's not the only one I love.  Ask the 9 other guys I've been with... in the last month.  *shiver*  Yeah yeah, slut total.  Proud of it.
-We get into some weird sex.  Pissing, spanking, tickling, rimming... all is par for the course in this strange world we call San Francisco.
-We proudly admit to being shallow and immature.  It's all about sex, and that means it's all about vanity.  If more people were honest about what they were looking for, we would have a lot less assholes on this Earth.

All of this shit is creepy to a lot of straight folks.  We fuck who we want, when we want, and we don't lie about it.

this post is hilarious if you read it in a stereotypical mincing voice

'it's all about sex, and that means it's all about vanity'

'we fuck who we want, when we want, and we don't lie about it'

oh nick why are you so sassy :-*

Title: Re: why do homos freak you out?
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 31, 2007, 08:07:02 AM
When I was a kid I learned all the funniest, nastiest gay jokes from my homo cousin Mark.