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Title: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on September 21, 2007, 09:16:46 AM
I have been sick for the past couple of days so I have been at home watching mecha animu on DVD and the stuff I d/l'ed into my new external hard drive.  As I watch stuff, I will review it.  This is what I have on queue so far:

- Super Dimensional Cavalry Southern Cross

- Space Runaway Ideon

- Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ

- Mobile Suit Victory Gundam

- After War Gundam X

- Heavy Metal L-Gaim

- Dangaioh


I just finished watching Southern Cross the other day (I bought the DVD set from a Right Stuf sale and I think it set me back like ten bucks, lol), which is probably best known as the "Robotech Masters" section of Robotech in the US.  I've already seen both Super Dimension Fortress Macross and Genesis Climber Mospeada (which were the first and third sections of Robotech, respectively), so this was the last piece of the Robotech "puzzle", so to speak.  As planetary invasion/robot anime goes, it's strictly a "B minus" grade anime...I enjoyed it, especially the latter half (once the aliens' motivations and society start being developed more), but it's nothing particularly amazing.  I do think it's much better than Mospeada, at least.  I was amused by the fact that the animators decided it was necessary to include a shower scene with the main female character at least once an episode. :lol  You won't see that in today's TV animu, that's for sure.

Right now, I'm watching Victory Gundam...I'll write my feelings on that show later, as I've only seen the first six episodes so far.  If anyone has any other animu (MECHA ANIMU, faggurts!) lemme know.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Eduardo24 on September 21, 2007, 10:43:23 AM
Cavalry Southern Cross...why do you want to punish yourself with that thing :-\
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on September 21, 2007, 10:44:38 AM
Because it has mecha.  Is that not enough reason?
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 21, 2007, 10:46:34 AM
Right Stuf was backordered on 08th right after I ordered it. Am cry and waiting on shipment.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on September 21, 2007, 10:49:25 AM
My DVDs of Big O and Big O II are both on backorder as well, so I feel your pain.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 21, 2007, 10:51:22 AM
Have you seen Dragonnar? I love that show.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on September 21, 2007, 10:53:31 AM
I looked, but I couldn't find any full torrents for Dragonar.  I also looked for Round Vernian Vifam, Xabungle and SPT Layzner, no luck with any of those!
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 21, 2007, 12:14:52 PM
My only exposure to Dragonar was VHS tapes that my cousin made from a Japanese broadcast while he was living on an military base outside Japan back in the 80s. I had no idea what was really going on, but damn if it wasn't awesome.

Bandai Ent. had the license for SPT Layzner, but never did anything with it and let it expire.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on September 21, 2007, 08:25:53 PM
Bandai sucks for not releasing the rest of Gundam on DVD in the US.  Where's my Turn A?!  I want a nice official box set, not just fansubs.  :(

Anyway, yeah, there's like a few episodes of Dragonar available via torrents but I'm not gonna d/l it if I can't see the whole thing.  Ditto with SPT Layzner, they have like the first four episodes only.

Is there anything else I should watch?  I need to edumacate myself on mecha some more.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Vizzys on September 21, 2007, 09:08:26 PM
My DVDs of Big O and Big O II are both on backorder as well, so I feel your pain.

The Big O

:bow

Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 03, 2007, 08:35:29 AM
Thought I'd spice up the thread by adding some YouTube links to OPs and such of the stuff I'm watching...

Now, the first show I finished watching was Southern Cross (which in retrospect, is not really a B- quality show...really in the "C" range, mostly because the conclusion is completely incoherent).  Southern Cross originally aired in the US as the middle segment of Robotech...what they did for the Robotech TV show is that they took three completely unrelated animated series from Japan (the only thing they had in common was the basic theme - transforming robots used to defend against alien invasions) and turned them into one continuous storyline.  The first part of Robotech was based off of the amazing Macross...

[youtube=425,350]otv28eZYmb8[/youtube]

...which still holds up today as an awesome, fun, melodramatic, cheesy show.  You can probably get it in some form on DVD for a pretty low prices.  I myself own the remastered AnimEigo releases, but ADV has released a bunch of versions of the show as well - just make sure you get the unedited Macross ones, not the butchered Robotech versions of the show.

After Macross in the Robotech timeline came the show I just watched, Southern Cross....

[youtube=425,350]Z5Jn_weadgI[/youtube]

...which is a pretty decent show.  Unlike Macross, the original version didn't take place on Earth, but on an (apparently French!) space colony called Glorie, which is invaded by a race of human-like aliens.  This show actually has a lot of interesting concepts - a female lead, a horrifying secret about the "alien" troops they fight against (SPOILER: they're actually all brainwashed human soldiers so the aliens don't have to lose any of their people in battle), and the mystery behind why the aliens want to conquer Glorie (SPOILER: It was actually originally their home planet, so technically the "invaders" are the humans, not the aliens).  The show regularly undermines these concepts, however, and raises a lot of issues that are never resolved.

After Southern Cross came Mospeada, which I watched last year.

[youtube=425,350]Q8ocqsBTkR4[/youtube]

Genesis Climber Mospeada is an aggressively mediocre show that is, again, conceptually interesting.  As the show starts, the Earth has already been conquered by mysterious aliens (not the ones from Macross or Southern Cross, since these shows were originally completely unrelated productions) and all attempts by the human colonies on Mars to reconquer the planet have failed.  The show follows around a group of rebels as they conduct terrorist attacks on alien installations and try to disrupt their activities.  Bonus points for having one of the main characters be a cheeseburger pop singer/military man (with two different voice actors depending on whether he's pretending to be a girl or not).  Junpei might enjoy this show.  I give it a D.

Last year I watched the amazing Turn A Gundam, which has quickly become my all-time favorite Gundam series.

[youtube=425,350]S5C7ZuKJyWk[/youtube]

[youtube=425,350]RcXwxeQaydk[/youtube]

This is an amazing show, which references a lot of Gundam history but can be watched completely independently of any previous Gundam series...in fact, I suspect it was originally planned as a non-Gundam series (and in fact, the Turn A Gundam itself doesn't really resemble any previous Gundam, aside from its traditional blue, red, white, and yellow color scheme).  Highly recommended to anyone who loves animu in the slightest. :bow

Though there were a lot of Gundam series in the '90s prior to Turn A Gundam, the only one Yoshiyuki Tomino (director and creator of the original Gundam series, Zeta, ZZ, F91, and Char's Counterattack) was involved with was Mobile Suit Victory Gundam.  That's the show I'm watching now.

The interesting thing about Tomino Gundam shows vs. Gundam shows by anybody else is that Tomino does not tend to fetishize militarism and weaponry the way a lot of other creators do.  As much as, say, 8th MS Team is thematically anti-war, you can tell the creators love the whole aspect of designing all these mobile suits and uniforms and imbuing them with all this World War II influence.

Don't be fooled by the Victory Gundam OP...the show is incredibly dark at times.  I am really impressed by this, and am scratching my head as to why it's considered the black sheep of the UC shows, perhaps even moreso than Turn A Gundam (by this, I mean that it is rarely referenced in most video games, manga, etc.).

When I watch military mecha anime, I always focus on the political themes that the creators oftentimes subtly insert...and I'm often surprised at how contemptuous some mecha anime creators are towards the military in general (and the Japanese Self-Defense Forces in particular!).  Tomino seems to actually hold disdain towards his audience for expecting happy-happy fun times with giant robots fighting and destroying cities and whatnot.  Perhaps that's why one of his first acts in Victory Gundam is to kill off a young mother and give the responsibility of raising her baby to the protagonist and his friends (all of whom are barely in their teens - war orphans, apparently).

[youtube=425,350]dI_OIfcm7gI[/youtube]

This is really quality stuff, and flashy shit like Gundam Wing and even (dare I say it) Evangelion rarely deals with these themes...it's all just so much philosophical navel-gazing.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 03, 2007, 11:33:40 AM
This thread is way better than that lame Dragon Ball movie thread Synbios ripped off from GAF.

This is the true shit.  The true shit, in the words of Chad Warden.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 03, 2007, 11:56:01 AM
send me mecha animu ichi
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 03, 2007, 11:58:31 AM
I can recommend stuff for you to watch, but the stuff they sell around here doesn't have English subs. :(
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 03, 2007, 12:03:28 PM
you said you had fansubs in the first post.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 03, 2007, 01:08:08 PM
I really like Victory Gundam, too bad we'll probably never see it released in North America.

Bandai!!! Do you hear me???!? I demand Gundam ZZ and Victory Gundam!!

Oh well, at least BVUSA is releasing MS Igloo here...
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 03, 2007, 06:44:15 PM
you said you had fansubs in the first post.

Yeah, I got them in torrents...do you really want them?  I can point you to where I downloaded them at, we can watch them together. :heartbeat

Or do you actually want me to make DVD-Rs of it and mail them to you? ???
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 03, 2007, 06:44:47 PM
which ones are downloaded
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 03, 2007, 06:51:22 PM
All of 'em except Southern Cross, Macross, and Mospeada, which were official US releases which I bought.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 14, 2007, 11:00:34 PM
How's ZZ Gundam, Victory Gundam, and Gundam X? I don't think I've heard of GUndam X
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 15, 2007, 12:09:42 AM
I haven't seen ZZ yet.  It's a direct sequel to Zeta - if you watched Zeta, you know that the ending is very catastrophic for the good guys, who basically lose all their pilots and one of their flagships in the final battle against the Titans.  So at the start of ZZ, new crew members join up.  I hear ZZ is not supposed to be very good - it's very jokey in comparison to the grim seriousness of Zeta.  I'm still looking forward to seeing it, however, if for no other reason than it's the missing story link between Zeta and Char's Counterattack.

Victory Gundam is amazing so far.  It takes place in the far future of the UC calendar (the original Gundam series takes place in UC 0079, Victory takes place UC 0156).  The Earth Federation is a completely worthless organization at this point, and a group of colonies known as the Zanscare Empire are waging war on the colonies...since the Feddies are so ineffectual, civilians form an organization known as the League Militaire to fight against Zanscare.  Some of the civilians are engineers and they've built new Gundams to fight against Zanscare's advanced mobile suits.  It's interesting that the protagonist is very, very young, but is forced to kill enemy pilots and you get to see how it affects him psychologically.  Like many of the Tomino-directed shows, it doesn't glorify war or present mobile suits as sexy pieces of tech.

Gundam X is another alternate universe series - it's sort of a "what if" scenario regarding the original Gundam universe.  If you remember the original show, Zeon dropped a space colony on Australia at the start of the war, killing millions of people.  But soon after that, the Zeons and the Feddies signed a treaty outlawing weapons of mass destruction (nukes, colony drops, etc.), and that's why they fought a conventional war with mobile suits and ships instead.  Gundam X imagines what would happen if two opposing forces had not signed that type of treaty and instead, dozens of colonies had been dropped on the Earth, creating an environmental cataclysm and killing off the majority of Earth's population.  Think of it as Mad Max meets Gundam, if you will.  I have seen the first couple of episodes and it looks good so far, but I hear it got cancelled so the ending is very abrupt.

These are all available subbed via torrent, btw.

I'm planning on updating the thread when I've watched more of Victory since I've decided to stick to that particular animu before watching anything else on the list.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 15, 2007, 12:20:52 AM
ZZ starts off goofy, but actually gets pretty damn good about half way through when Tomino retakes control.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Beezy on October 15, 2007, 12:21:52 AM
Can you guys list all the different Gundam series worth watching in order please? I've only seen Gundam Wing, some of G Gundam, most of 08th MS Team, and too much of Seed and Seed Destiny (quit both less than halfway through).
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 15, 2007, 12:29:32 AM
UC stuff:
Mobile Suit Gundam (the original - watch the movie trilogy, the TV DVDs are dub-only)
0080: War in the Pocket (six episode OAV, takes place at the same time as the first Gundam series but with different characters)
8th MS Team (one of the most awesome shows, and it can be watched with no knowledge of the rest of the Gundam universe and enjoyed)
0083: Stardust Memory (worth watching mostly for the mecha designs and animation, as the story is a bit of a mess and is basically intended to connect first Gundam to Zeta)
Zeta (one of the best Gundam series ever, don't be annoyed if you dislike the protagonist in the first few episodes, it really picks up after that)
Char's Counterattack (omg omg omg, final battle between Amuro and Char :bow)

Skip Gundam F91.  It was originally planned as a 50 episode TV series and midway through production, they decided to turn it into a two-hour movie instead.  Nice animation and great mecha designs but the story suffers a lot.

Skip ZZ too, I've mostly heard negative things about it.  Victory is good but it's really dark and depressing at times - not a very 'fun' show, though well-made.

Alternate Universe stuff:

G Gundam (silly fun)
Turn A Gundam (the Jesus Christ of Gundams - as in, the resurrection of the franchise...one of my all-time favorite anime shows)
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 15, 2007, 12:35:21 AM
Gundam SEED is actually quite enjoyable, too. Just don't watch Gundam SEED Destiny.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 15, 2007, 12:37:29 AM
I have avoided SEED, and hope to do so for as long as I can.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Beezy on October 15, 2007, 12:38:27 AM
UC stuff:
Mobile Suit Gundam (the original - watch the movie trilogy, the TV DVDs are dub-only)
Just watch the movies? There aren't subs for the TV series anywhere?
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Beezy on October 15, 2007, 12:39:41 AM
Gundam SEED is actually quite enjoyable, too. Just don't watch Gundam SEED Destiny.
Code Geass is more enjoyable than what I've seen from Seed and Seed Destiny.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 15, 2007, 12:41:47 AM
UC stuff:
Mobile Suit Gundam (the original - watch the movie trilogy, the TV DVDs are dub-only)
Just watch the movies? There aren't subs for the TV series anywhere?

Nope.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 15, 2007, 12:43:04 AM
There are no subs for the original Gundam series.

Beezy, I suggest watching 00. If my predictions are correct, we're all in for a treat, because so far, the show has addressed almost every single criticism many fans have had for the series for years.

Only Gundam series I haven't seen are Z (dling now), ZZ, X, Turn A, and SD. Hate G Gundam and Seed Destiny. They're the only ones I don't like. Even Wing and Seed, for all their flaws, are still rather enjoyable.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Beezy on October 15, 2007, 12:47:04 AM
There are no subs for the original Gundam series.
Damn.

Himuro, I already started on Gundam 00. It and Genshiken 2 are the only animes that I have any interest in this season. I got the 2nd episode downloading now.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Vizzys on October 15, 2007, 12:49:51 AM
so I watched some more big o last night

spoiler (click to show/hide)
its still awesome
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Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 15, 2007, 12:52:01 AM
Only Gundam series I haven't seen are Z (dling now), 

Boooo you filthy poor! Go buy it!
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 15, 2007, 12:52:39 AM
Beezy: Watch Votoms too. It's another Sunrise anime.  I fucking love Sunrise. Best studio ever.

Um...I watched Genshiken 2 and it really confused me and I didn't wtf was going on. Then I found out there's a 3 episode ova that bridges the gap between 1 and 2. Whoops.

00 Episode 2 fucking OWNS.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 15, 2007, 12:55:29 AM
VOTOMS!!!!!

Yeah, Sunrise rocks.  Too bad their quality (aside from a few bright spots) has declined in the past few years...their heyday was definitely the late seventies and eighties.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Beezy on October 15, 2007, 12:56:21 AM
Lol yeah, I watched the Genshiken OVAs just before the 2nd season started. They introduce that new girl that joins the club.

Never heard of Votoms. I'll look it up.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Vizzys on October 15, 2007, 12:57:38 AM
sunrise is indeed awesome

why?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/48/The_Big_O_%28logo%29.jpg)
[close]
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 15, 2007, 01:00:48 AM
I love the designs in Victory Gundam, and I love how the design of the Victory is supposed to be useful.  It can break apart into three different core fighters so if the pilot is in danger or his MS is captured it can just split up and recombine later on.  This plays a big part in the first few episodes, especially.

I don't get why it has to launch in three different parts, though - why don't they just launch it in MS form? ???
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 15, 2007, 01:02:22 AM
sunrise is indeed awesome

why?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/48/The_Big_O_%28logo%29.jpg)
[close]

Cowboy Bebop
Escaflowne
Gundam
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Vizzys on October 15, 2007, 01:05:24 AM
i didnt say that was the only reason
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 15, 2007, 01:07:05 AM
Escaflowne :bow

Why did they make that shitty movie, though!?

There is so much great Sunrise stuff that never came out in the States - Combattler V, Zambot 3, Heavy Metal L-Gaim, Xabungle, Ideon...

I really wish someone would fansub Xabungle.  It sounds awesome.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 15, 2007, 01:10:43 AM
Give a description of them
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 15, 2007, 01:53:10 AM
I'm feeling lazy so I'll let Wiki do my work for me:

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Combattler V
Chōdenji Robo Combattler V is the first part of Tadao Nagahama's Robot Romance Trilogy of Super Robot series. The robot's name is a portmanteau of Combine, Combat and Battle, and the V is intended both as an abbreviation for "victory" and in reference to the five component machines that form the robot, as well as its five pilots. The V is pronounced as the letter V, whereas in the follow-up series, Voltes V, it is pronounced "five".

Story
Thousands of years ago, the people of the planet Campbell decided to leave their planet and seek out new worlds to inhabit. One group, lead by the scientist Oreana, landed on Earth, but was delayed from their mission. In the early 21st century, Oreana's group reawakens and begins their plan to conquer the Earth. The only effective defense against the Campbellians' giant biomechanical slave beasts is the super-electromagnetic robot, Combattler V and its pilots.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/12/CombattlerV.jpg)

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Zambot 3
Super Machine Zambot 3 (無敵超人ザンボット3, Muteki Chōjin Zanbotto 3?, lit. Invincible Super Man Zambot 3) is an anime series created by Yoshiyuki Tomino and Yoshitake Suzuki, featuring character design by Yoshikazu Yasuhiko and produced by Sunrise. It was first broadcast on Japanese TV in 1977. The series lasted for 23 episodes.

Story
There once existed a planet named Beal, until it was wiped out by the mysterious entity known as Gaizok. The few remaining survivors escaped to Earth and split into three families, named Jin, Kamie, and Kamikita respectively. While attempting to start a new life, the collectively known "Jin Family" prepared for the inevitable Gaizok invasion on Earth and its giant mechanical beasts known as "Mecha Boosts". In order to defend their new home, they have built three vehicles which when combined form the mighty Zambot 3. The Jin Family must not only defend against Gaizok attacks, but also harsh criticisms from the very people they protect, who blame the Jin Family for the invasion in the first place.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6d/Zambot3.jpg)

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Heavy Metal L-Gaim

Heavy Metal L-Gaim (重戦機エルガイム, Juusenki Erugaimu?) is an anime television series, begun in 1984, which was directed by Yoshiyuki Tomino. Its characters and mecha were designed by Nagano Mamoru, who would later go on to create Five Star Stories. L-Gaim takes place in the Pentagona System, a solar system made up of five planets. Oldna Poseidal, the legendary emperor from the planet Gastogal leads his 24 Temple Knights from planet to planet until all have fallen under his control. His final victory is on the planet Mizum in 3975 when he defeats Kamon Walha V, ruler of the Yaman Clan. Kamon hides his heir, Kamon Myroad on the planet Mizum with the legendary white mecha, L-Gaim. Fifteen years later, now grown up and known as Daba Myroad, he leads a rebellion to free the planets of Pentagona from Poseidal's grasp.

(http://spaceship.brainiac.com/Tsukuda/LGaim.jpg)

Xabungle

I don't know much about it because it hasn't been fansubbed.  It's a war series with transforming mecha directed by Yoshiyuki Tomino.  It's supposed to be more lighthearted than most of his other work, and is a very popular series here in Japan (I see a lot of merchandise for it considering how old it is).  One of my co-workers at the technical school is actually a big fan of it and has some merchandise for the series on his desk.

(http://www.denno.net/~meratarou/hp_data/robo/s/xabungle.jpg)


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Space Runaway Ideon
Space Runaway Ideon (伝説巨神イデオン, Densetsu Kyojin Ideon, Legendary Giant God Ideon?), is an anime television series produced by Sunrise. It first premiered on the Tokyo 12 Channel (later to be TV Tokyo) from 1980 to 1981, followed by two feature films released in 1982, and was later broadcast in Japan by the satellite TV network Animax from September 2006. Ideon was created and directed by Yoshiyuki Tomino, and was the series he produced immediately following his most famous work, Mobile Suit Gundam. Its mechanical designers were Submarine (series) & Higuchi Yuuichi (movies) and its characters were designed by Tomonori Kogawa.

The series won the Animage Anime Grand Prix prize for the second half of 1980.

Space Runaway Ideon begins in 2300, far enough in the future that mankind has begun colonizing other planets. On the planet Solo in the Andromeda Galaxy, a group of archaeologists had come across the mysterious remains of the Ideon—three large armored trucks with the ability to transform into a godlike mecha. They also come across a large spaceship. For six months they had diligently restored the machines but failed to get the giant tanks to move. Suddenly, a humanoid alien civilization known as the Buff Clan comes across Solo.

Karala, the daughter of the Buff Clan's military commander flies down to the planet against orders to investigate (her commanding officer, Gije, is reluctant with her, due to her standing and the fact that he once was a soldier under her father). She is pursued closely by comrades sent by Gije, but they lose sight of her. Assuming the "aliens" (Earthling colonists) have attacked Karala, the Buff Clan begins to attack. Cosmo Yuki, the afro-wearing protagonist of the series, climbs aboard one of the three tanks and, when it initially forms the Ideon, fends off the first assault, repelling Gije's men.

The Ideon is piloted by several Solo Ship crew members, but the main pilot is Cosmo Yuki.

As the crew of the Solo Ship fight and survive further, the true power of the Ideon begins to slowly be revealed with terrifying results. Although the crew often latches onto various hopes and optimism, as the death toll of the crew rises and the devastation surrounding them increases, the crew of the Solo Ship slowly begin to despair. Eventually turned away by their own world out of fear, what fate awaits this lost ship and its inhabitants?

(http://www.animekits.com/itempics/diecast/Ideon.jpg)
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 15, 2007, 01:59:06 AM
Only Gundam series I haven't seen are Z (dling now), 

Boooo you filthy poor! Go buy it!

from what i heard, the translation Z Gundam's American localizaton is awful and that the fansubbed translations are so much better. I'm sure I'll love it so I'll buy it tho.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 15, 2007, 02:19:13 AM
That's half-right.  The original box set release contains dubtitles instead of a real subtitled translation.  The individual DVD disc releases fixes this, though, so that would be the one to get.

FWIW, I have the box set and I don't think the dubtitles are so bad.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: bork on October 15, 2007, 09:09:02 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1f/Godannar_cover.jpg)

Shinkon Gattai Godannar dude!  Give it a try!
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 15, 2007, 09:55:13 AM
I have a poster of that autographed by the mecha designer, but I've never actually seen the show.  Waiting for it to come out in a box set.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 15, 2007, 01:02:48 PM
I'm not so sure i'm into mecha booty, i mean i like mechs A LOT but that's going too far lyte edge!
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 15, 2007, 01:11:54 PM
FWIW, I have the box set and I don't think the dubtitles are so bad.

They're not bad. There were a few times where I was watching and could tell that what was said in Japanese was different from the subs, but it didn't ruin the show or anything.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2007, 06:32:21 PM
lmfao someone gets slapped or their ass kicked like every few minutes in zeta gundam. even more so if they're acting emo

this is awesome
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: MCD on October 16, 2007, 06:39:45 PM
Grendizer, bitches.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tW8JKCouIA4
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 16, 2007, 08:58:46 PM
lmfao someone gets slapped or their ass kicked like every few minutes in zeta gundam. even more so if they're acting emo

this is awesome


"I DON'T WANT TO PILOT ANYMORE MY MOTHER IS DEAD BECAUSE OF ME WAAAHH"
*bitchslap*
"STFU and get in that Gundam!"

ad infinitum whenever there is even the smallest sign of someone acting emo.  I think even Quattro gets slapped a few times.  It's awesome.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2007, 11:12:57 PM
Just wanted to say that Quattro is one the best character designs EVER.

Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 16, 2007, 11:14:21 PM
Quattro is a hardcore pilot, and Hyakushiki is a hardcore mobile suit. :rock
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2007, 11:15:37 PM
it seems that VOTOMS has premiered but because no one apparently cares about AWESOME no one is fansubbing it. FUCK
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 16, 2007, 11:17:37 PM
New VOTOMS. :rock

No fansubs :( :(
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2007, 12:52:21 AM
New VOTOMS. :rock

No fansubs :( :(

Give it some time... I hope.

Has that Votoms PS2 game come out yet? I must own it.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 17, 2007, 01:23:07 AM
New VOTOMS. :rock

No fansubs :( :(

Give it some time... I hope.

Has that Votoms PS2 game come out yet? I must own it.

Not yet.  I actually saw it at TGS.  Graphics look crappy but the gameplay was surprisingly solid.  I just hope there are more than one-on-one battles, or it will get real repetitive real fast.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2007, 01:40:08 AM
[youtube=425,350]hE1zgtm0GsA[/youtube]

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2007, 01:45:19 AM
Yeah yeah, filthy poor. Go buy the damn thing and support GUNDAMU IN AMERICA!!
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 17, 2007, 02:06:26 AM
Buy official so we can someday get a nice Turn A Gundam box set in R1.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2007, 02:55:59 PM
Okay. Pancakes has sent me Gundam movie 1. He's ripped and encoded movies 2 and 3. He'll likely send me movie 2 tonight.

I am willing to create an anime ftp for you guys so you can get them with ease, if you're interested. Problem is, I don't know how to do that.

Anime I will be acquiring soon on my pc:

Gundam movie 2
Gundam movie 3
Zeta Gundam
Gundam 0080
Gundam 08th MS team
Gundam 0083
Gundam Char's Counter Attack
SDF Macross
My Neighbor Totoro
Nausicaa

This is the anime I have on my pc now:

Azumanga Daioh
DNA2
Ebichu
Gankutsuoh
Gundam movie 1
Gundam 00
Genshiken
Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
Gunsmith Cats
Hare + Guu (only a few eps for some reason...I used to have the whole series wtf)
Hare + Guu Deluxe (only a few eps)
Hare + Guu Finale (whole series)
Kemonozume
Legend of the Galactic Heroes 1-26 (or something)
Mind Game
Castle of Cagliostro
One Piece movies 1-3
ROD tv (loli don't watch might delete)
Otaku no Video
Cromartie High School
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2007, 03:27:22 PM
Himumu is a dirty animu poor.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2007, 03:32:17 PM
I own a lot of them on dvd. Just too lazy to delete.

I've seen all of those gundams + macross though. except zeta and CCA.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: zeergoth on October 17, 2007, 05:24:31 PM
Hey Ichirou, what do you think of Gundam Wing and Endless Waltz?
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2007, 05:58:58 PM
Gundam Wing is good. It's fun for what it does even though the story is flawed. The ending sucks balls though.

Endless Waltz sucks.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: zeergoth on October 17, 2007, 06:03:45 PM
I REALLY hated Releena and all her "there must always be peace, don't fight back even if someone is shooting/killing you" BS. I thought Zechs was an awesome villain and thought the Epyon was awesome!
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2007, 06:44:30 PM
Relena is an awful character. Lacus in Seed is maybe as bad. No, she's far worse. She's about 10 x worse than she's in Seed in Destiny though.

Have you seen the original Gundams? If has none of that bs. It has people who don't necessarilly want to fight, and while they complain, they'll just get bitchslapped a second later.

Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 17, 2007, 09:42:23 PM
Hey Ichirou, what do you think of Gundam Wing and Endless Waltz?

I don't really like Gundam Wing because it was made solely to pander to consumers who wanted model kits (thus the multiple Gundams) and to try to broaden the audience by making the pilots appealing to a female audience (at which it was very successful).  Probably the most direct influence on Seed, and probably the reason I haven't actually seen Seed yet.  I found the story just confusing and the pilots' motivations seemed to change every five episodes, and I found their actions nonsensical a lot of the time.

Endless Waltz at least has better characterization going for it (the characters all had understandable motivations), better animation, and amazing mecha designs by the great Hajime Katoki.  Wing Zero Custom is a masterpiece of design work.  Only Katoki would have the talent to make an angel-inspired Gundam work in an anime. :bow
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2007, 11:14:03 PM
SEED is a fun re-imagining of First Gundam with some Zeta thrown in for good measure.

Wing, on the other hand, bores me to death.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2007, 11:20:26 PM
Distant why did you steal Chris' avatar from MAHQ? How did you guys get into Gundam? They didn't release Gundam over here until 1998.

btw, mahq spoiled Zeta and Char's Counter Attack for me. I was reading what Chris thought of Gundam Wing and the fucker spoiled CCA.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2007, 11:26:36 PM
Distant why did you steal Chris' avatar from MAHQ?

I'll change it if it bugs you, it was the first cool looking avatar that came up in a Google image search.

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How did you guys get into Gundam? They didn't release Gundam over here until 1998.

I had a cousin who was living outside Tokyo as an Army brat in the 80s. I used to get videotaped copies of Gundam and Zeta Gundam back in the day, and some model kits for Christmas. I then replaced those raw Japanese tapes with fansubs when I was in high school.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2007, 11:27:39 PM
Damn. So you've been watching since you were a little kid.

It doesn't bug me. Heh. I just wish I could find a high res pic of the original image.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2007, 11:29:02 PM
Damn. So you've been watching since you were a little kid.

It doesn't bug me. Heh. I just wish I could find a high res pic of the original image.

Off and on. I only saw First Gundam and Zeta back then. Got some Dragonar on tape, too. I didn't watch everything else until I was in high school and started taking Japanese back in 1995.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2007, 11:36:42 PM
I'd like an avatar of Quattro but I can't find any good pics
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Synbios459 on October 17, 2007, 11:38:25 PM
Damn. So you've been watching since you were a little kid.

It doesn't bug me. Heh. I just wish I could find a high res pic of the original image.

Off and on. I only saw First Gundam and Zeta back then. Got some Dragonar on tape, too. I didn't watch everything else until I was in high school and started taking Japanese back in 1995.
are you fluent
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 18, 2007, 12:10:00 AM
Damn. So you've been watching since you were a little kid.

It doesn't bug me. Heh. I just wish I could find a high res pic of the original image.

Off and on. I only saw First Gundam and Zeta back then. Got some Dragonar on tape, too. I didn't watch everything else until I was in high school and started taking Japanese back in 1995.
are you fluent

Not even close. I only took it for four years, which is like taking one or two years of French or Spanish in high school. I can read hiragana and katakana, and I know about 100-125 kanji. I was able to get us around Japan last summer on our honeymoon, but I froze up a couple of times due to not knowing exactly what to say.

I really wish that I stuck with it. Every once in a while I think about taking night classes, there are some great immersion evening courses around here.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 18, 2007, 02:17:01 AM
Quote
How did you guys get into Gundam? They didn't release Gundam over here until 1998.

Lemme see...I guess it has to do with my love of giant robots, which started when I was in kindergarten.  After school, the first thing I'd do when I got home was watch the afternoon animation block on TV.  Back then we didn't have cable, so I watched stuff in Spanish - unlike in the US, Spanish-language TV had a lot of unedited Japanese cartoons...so instead of Robotech, I was watching Spanish-dubbed Mazinger Z, Ironman-28, Grendizer, Gaiking, and so on.  After we got cable, I kept watching those shows, but supplemented them with stuff like Voltron and Transformers.  Once that stuff went off the air, my interest in robots disappeared for several years until the mid-nineties.

At that time, I had a friend whose brother had a professor in his university who was really into giant robot stuff.  The professor (who was a young dude, maybe 28 or 29 at the time) came over and hung out a lot because my friend's brother had a PSX.  Eventually he got an import PSX along with a bunch of obscure games: Gundam: The One Year War (a strat. RPG), Gundam The Battle Masters, etc.  Along with this, he had a bunch of imported model kits and fansubbed movies (which is how I first saw the Gundam trilogy, actually).  After that, it was fait accompli.  I was hooked once more.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 19, 2007, 03:37:30 AM
:bow

Movie 1 and 2 are AMAZING. I've seen the original series before but I didn't think MSG's movies would be so well edited! This is great! It's weird watching it in Japanese though. I prefer watching Gundam sreies in English.

0079 still stands as my favorite Gundam. It has the best story (from all the Gundam's I've seen), the best cast (though 0080 probably tops it in that), it's simple but it drives it all home at the end of the day. Definitely my favorite mecha animu.

RAMBA RAL!!!

(http://www.mechanicalrage.it/foto/articles/Gundamillbook/0079/Haruhiko%20Mikimoto.jpg)

(http://www.mechanicalrage.it/foto/articles/Gundamillbook/z/Haruhiko%20Mikimoto.jpg)

(http://www.mechanicalrage.it/foto/articles/Gundamillbook/0079/Kazuhisa%20Kondo.jpg)

(http://www.mechanicalrage.it/foto/articles/Gundamillbook/Nu/Mamoru%20Ito.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/31/MS-10_Pezun_Dowadge.jpg/200px-MS-10_Pezun_Dowadge.jpg)

RIK DOM IS THE BEST MECHA DESIGN EVER. FACT.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 19, 2007, 05:27:20 AM
That's not a Rick Dom, that's a Pezun Dowadge (I think).

Yeah, it's a Pezun Dowadge.  It was a model kit design and never appeared in animation:

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/ms-x/ms-10.htm

Rick Dom:

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/msgundam/ms-09r.htm

They look a lot alike, probably so the model kits could share a lot of parts between them.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Beezy on October 19, 2007, 05:38:38 PM
Damn, Char is fucked up. Garma lost.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 19, 2007, 05:47:22 PM
:bow Char

Beezy I'm dling 08th ms team. I started dling it at like 1pm. It's 5 and it's almost done. :lol It's 2 gig batch torrent too.

once I'm done dling that, I'll 0083 and I'll have the majority of the UC Gundam's on my pc.

How'd you like the movie?
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 19, 2007, 06:13:07 PM
Damn, Char is fucked up. Garma lost.

I love that scene, particularly since it involves Seattle and the Kingdome.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 19, 2007, 06:16:58 PM
That was Seattle?
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 19, 2007, 06:20:05 PM
That was Seattle?

The movie never makes it clear, but a lof of the source materials and video games refer to that as Seattle.

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New Yark (ニューヤーク, Nyuu Yaaku?): A massive battle was fought here during the One Year War, resulting in the elimination of a Zeon Gaw fleet and the death of Garma Zabi. Garma actually met his end in near Seattle, if one follows the story based on travel path rather than the script. The White Base falls from space over the southwestern United States and heads north to go around the Zeon bases of California. It is the Gundam world equivalent to New York City of the contemporary real world.

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White Base visits Seattle in episode 10 of Mobile Suit Gundam while trying to flee from Garma Zabi's forces.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 19, 2007, 06:31:09 PM
I like how it's called New Yark instead of New York in the future. :lol
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Beezy on October 19, 2007, 06:33:42 PM
Damn, Char is fucked up. Garma lost.

I love that scene, particularly since it involves Seattle and the Kingdome.
I thought they were actually good friends. I wasn't expecting that all.

:bow Char

Beezy I'm dling 08th ms team. I started dling it at like 1pm. It's 5 and it's almost done. :lol It's 2 gig batch torrent too.

once I'm done dling that, I'll 0083 and I'll have the majority of the UC Gundam's on my pc.

How'd you like the movie?
It was good. The animation didn't bother me like you thought it would. I watched half of it last night and I came straight home from work today so I could finish the rest of it.

It is fucked up though how White Base has to be run by a bunch of kids. How old is Bright?

Edit: Speaking of Bright, what's with the shitty names? Fraw Bow? Come on. :lol
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 19, 2007, 06:35:45 PM
Damn, Char is fucked up. Garma lost.

I love that scene, particularly since it involves Seattle and the Kingdome.
I thought they were actually good friends. I wasn't expecting that all.

You don't know Char, do you?
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Beezy on October 19, 2007, 06:38:03 PM
Not at all. :lol
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 19, 2007, 06:38:53 PM
Damn, Char is fucked up. Garma lost.

I love that scene, particularly since it involves Seattle and the Kingdome.
I thought they were actually good friends. I wasn't expecting that all.

:bow Char

Beezy I'm dling 08th ms team. I started dling it at like 1pm. It's 5 and it's almost done. :lol It's 2 gig batch torrent too.

once I'm done dling that, I'll 0083 and I'll have the majority of the UC Gundam's on my pc.

How'd you like the movie?
It was good. The animation didn't bother me like you thought it would. I watched half of it last night and I came straight home from work today so I could finish the rest of it.

It is fucked up though how White Base has to be run by a bunch of kids. How old is Bright?

Edit: Speaking of Bright, what's with the shitty names? Fraw Bow? Come on. :lol

Bright's like 21 or 22.  You gotta remember, most of the senior crew was killed at the start of the first movie.  Plus, with the war going the way it is, you gotta imagine the Federation's lost a lot of senior officers.

And yeah, all the names are wacky for the non-Japanese characters.  I imagine Fraw Bow is supposed to be of German descent.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 19, 2007, 06:38:58 PM
Not at all. :lol

Keep watching the movies. His actions will make sense.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 19, 2007, 06:41:37 PM
Fraw Bow is an awesome name.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 19, 2007, 08:57:17 PM
I love it when japafags give their kids Japanese names even though they're not actually Japanese.  I remember some GAFfer on NeoGAF saying she wanted to give her kids Japanese names.

I hope she names her son Bukkake.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 19, 2007, 10:24:45 PM
:lol Bukkake

Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 19, 2007, 10:35:20 PM
I love it when japafags give their kids Japanese names even though they're not actually Japanese.  I remember some GAFfer on NeoGAF saying she wanted to give her kids Japanese names.

I hope she names her son Bukkake.

I met a blonde haired white kid named Yoshi. His Dad's 1st generation Japanese-American, but you'd never know it by looking at the kid.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 19, 2007, 10:36:23 PM
I love it when japafags give their kids Japanese names even though they're not actually Japanese.  I remember some GAFfer on NeoGAF saying she wanted to give her kids Japanese names.

I hope she names her son Bukkake.

I met a blonde haired white kid named Yoshi. His Dad's 1st generation Japanese-American, but you'd never know it by looking at the kid.

Do people make dinosaur jokes about him? lulz
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 19, 2007, 10:37:15 PM
I love it when japafags give their kids Japanese names even though they're not actually Japanese.  I remember some GAFfer on NeoGAF saying she wanted to give her kids Japanese names.

I hope she names her son Bukkake.

I met a blonde haired white kid named Yoshi.

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on October 19, 2007, 11:49:48 PM
The only mecha anime I watched was Evangelion.  :-\
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 19, 2007, 11:50:32 PM
The only mecha anime I watched was Evangelion.  :-\

And that's not even real mecha!
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on October 19, 2007, 11:55:40 PM
... then again, does Transformers count?
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 20, 2007, 12:00:49 AM
... then again, does Transformers count?

They're robots, so sure.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on October 20, 2007, 12:09:08 AM
... then again, does Transformers count?

They're robots, so sure.
Allright, then, I've seen two mecha animus: Evangelion and Transformers.  :-*
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 20, 2007, 02:07:19 AM
I love it when japafags give their kids Japanese names even though they're not actually Japanese.  I remember some GAFfer on NeoGAF saying she wanted to give her kids Japanese names.

I hope she names her son Bukkake.

I met a blonde haired white kid named Yoshi.

 :lol :lol :lol

Yeah, it's crazy, but the kid is actually 50% Japanese, though. That's more than some black kid in Florida that uses a Japanese name for his online identity.  :P

 :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2007, 02:17:34 AM
Tsk tsk.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 20, 2007, 02:18:19 AM
Tsk tsk.

You know I love ya. Us robros have to stick together.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2007, 02:19:18 AM
Robro is such a lovely term.

I thought that giant robots were popular in America though? I mean look at Transformers the movie!
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 20, 2007, 02:21:29 AM
Robro is such a lovely term.

I thought that giant robots were popular in America though? I mean look at Transformers the movie!

To the average American, for some reason, giant robots are a different beast than your typical Japanese mecha.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2007, 02:23:30 AM
But I don't get it. I mean, the story and characters in say...Gundam for instance are so much better than what you get in Transformers.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 20, 2007, 02:26:57 AM
But I don't get it. I mean, the story and characters in say...Gundam for instance are so much better than what you get in Transformers.

But, there's a story that takes away from the robo-smashin' action. We don't like story and characters anything like a plot. Which is why simplistic fighting tournament stuff does well here.

It also might explain why Gundam SEED bombed in the US, but did very well in Canada.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2007, 02:28:48 AM
I have to say I'm not a big fan of 1970's cheese mecha. Stuff like G Gundam, Voltron, really don't appeal to me.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 20, 2007, 02:29:30 AM
I loved Giant Robo, but I just can't stomach G Gundam (same director).

The God Gundam is fucking sweet in Gundam Musou, though.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2007, 02:32:14 AM
G Gundam is my least favorite Gundam after Seed Destiny.

You guys have to get me into mecha that aren't fucking Gundam. I've got experience with Macross, RahXephon, Escaflowne, Nadesico, Vandread... Stuff like that. The mainstream mecha stuff.

I love space opera in general. Galaxy Express 999, I used to watch that all the time on Sci fi. Captain Harlock...LOGH..
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 20, 2007, 02:42:17 AM
Go watch Giant Robo, Dragonar, Space Runaway Ideon, Gunbuster, Overman King Gainer, Eureka Seven, Five Star Stories, Aura Battler Dunbine, and Patlabor.

If you like Leiji Matsumoto's space operas (Harlock, Yamato, 999), you need to watch Galaxy Railways. Funimation licensed it for North America, there's a cheap boxset for season one available.

Also Crest/Banner of the Stars is totally sweet if like the whole Legend of Galactic Heroes stuff.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2007, 03:05:17 AM
Not a big fan of Eureka 7.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 20, 2007, 03:07:03 AM
Watch Giant Robo, Gunbuster, Gainer, and Patlabor.

distantmantra mentioned Dragonar but it's not fansubbed as far as I know. :P
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Beezy on October 20, 2007, 05:25:36 AM
Gunbuster + Diebuster  :bow

Edit: Actually, Diebuster would count as a super robot show, right?
You guys have to get me into mecha that aren't fucking Gundam. I've got experience with Macross, RahXephon, Escaflowne, Nadesico, Vandread... Stuff like that. The mainstream mecha stuff.
Boring.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2007, 05:39:41 AM
It's not really about the mecha fights. I wouldn't really call it a mecha anime tbh
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Vizzys on October 20, 2007, 05:44:33 AM
eureka 7 sux , big o rox, news at 11.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Beezy on October 20, 2007, 05:48:16 AM
It's not really about the mecha fights. I wouldn't really call it a mecha anime tbh
Rahxephon? Agreed. God that show was boring. I can't believe I watched it almost to the very end.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2007, 06:06:56 AM
It's my favorite mecha related show this decade.

can someone put us to high quality gundam sites with lots and lots of images and wallpapers?
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 20, 2007, 09:58:32 AM
www.mahq.net has images and profiles of most of the mobile suits in the various series...useful for reference.  But I dunno about a site devoted to wallpapers and stuff.  If anyone does, give me the link. :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Beezy on October 20, 2007, 09:42:06 PM
For a second their I thought I was witnessing a Raiden (MGS) moment in the 2nd Gundam movie.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I seriously thought that Ramba Ral grabbed Amuro's balls. Luckily I was wrong.  :lol
[close]
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on October 20, 2007, 11:18:37 PM
I hope she names her son Bukkake.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/Matt%27s_Bukkake_License_Plate.jpg)
Best vanity plate this side of ASSMAN.  :-*
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 22, 2007, 01:38:35 AM
Done with 08th MS Team. Moving on to 0083.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Beezy on October 22, 2007, 01:54:41 AM
I just finished Mobile Suit Gundam. I still can't believe what happened to Kycilia. :lol
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 22, 2007, 01:57:45 AM
FATALITY

DECAPITATED

Downloading Char's Counterattack and Victory Gundam and I shall be done with all the UC Gundam's. Then I'll take a break from Gundam (aside from 00 of course) and watch Gurren Lagan.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Valcrist on October 22, 2007, 04:46:50 AM
Done with 08th MS Team. Moving on to 0083.

I actually rewatched stardust memory recently.  The animation is top notch.  The story itself isn't so bad as the way they presented it.  They scratch the surface of some good themes..like honor, self ability, and death, but never really go beyond that.  I dunno, I never considered this kind of anime to be "anime" in the sense of silly feminine lead characters, exaggerated anime faces, and other japafag things.

Anybody watch any of the really old stuff, like Getter robo and Mazinger?
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 22, 2007, 05:28:02 AM
I grew up on Mazinger Z, Great Mazinger, Grandizer, Gaiking, and Ironman 28. :D

It was shown spanish-dubbed on afternoon TV, so I watched it every day after getting home from elementary school.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 22, 2007, 06:49:19 AM
Done with 08th MS Team. Moving on to 0083.

I actually rewatched stardust memory recently.  The animation is top notch.  The story itself isn't so bad as the way they presented it.  They scratch the surface of some good themes..like honor, self ability, and death, but never really go beyond that.  I dunno, I never considered this kind of anime to be "anime" in the sense of silly feminine lead characters, exaggerated anime faces, and other japafag things.

I don't see what's wrong with 0083 though. It doesn't have a feminine lead, or exaggerated faces. Recent Gundam's aside, Gundam isn't that type of anime.

[youtube=425,350]sJN4-dZBNa4[/youtube]

BOOM. HEADSHOT.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 22, 2007, 11:47:35 AM
I need my Gundam 00 fix. There still isn't an mp4 encode of episode three.  :'(
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 22, 2007, 12:40:41 PM
I'm on episode 8 of Zeta Gundam. I don't nearly like this as much as the original MSG and some other Gundam tv series.

Episode 6 didn't make much sense to me at all. Camille's angst is beyond annoying. Why did he throw his data of the Zeta Gundam against the wall and why was he trying to hide it? What did he find important about Recoa? Did he like or what? There wasn't much development there, he saw her for like one episode and then all of a sudden they act like they have a relationship.

I like it, but the story and characters (sans Quattro of course) just aren't as appealing as the original Gundam's. There's no one here to act as comedy relief (Kai, the three kids especially the little girl), the captain is extremely boring compared to Bright who's awesome, Camille sucks and I hate that he's always an emo taco (Amuro > Camille). On top of that, the villians aren't nearly as interesting so far. The "bad guys" in the original MSG were all classic. Char Aznable, Garma, Ramba Ral...but the "bad guys" in Zeta all suck. Are you telling me that Jared is supposed to be the main villian the entire series? The only good characters so far are Quattro and Emma.

Where are they going? Do they even have a destination?

I think apart of my dissatisfaction is the translation. I'm watching 2xX fansubs of the dvd rips, and they aren't up to par, I think. There's a lot of inconsistencies and typos, errors, and weird sentence structures.

I loved episodes 1-5.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Valcrist on October 22, 2007, 08:44:55 PM
Done with 08th MS Team. Moving on to 0083.

I actually rewatched stardust memory recently.  The animation is top notch.  The story itself isn't so bad as the way they presented it.  They scratch the surface of some good themes..like honor, self ability, and death, but never really go beyond that.  I dunno, I never considered this kind of anime to be "anime" in the sense of silly feminine lead characters, exaggerated anime faces, and other japafag things.

I don't see what's wrong with 0083 though. It doesn't have a feminine lead, or exaggerated faces. Recent Gundam's aside, Gundam isn't that type of anime.


I guess I worded it a bit weird, but yeah, the early gundams, along with 0083, don't have that animu crap, which is why I don't see them as anime.

As for Zeta gundam...just keep watching I guess.  I felt the same way, but it either changed or grew on me...can't remember which.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 22, 2007, 09:39:42 PM
Yeah, aside from Berserk I can't really think of a better example of MANIME than oldschool Gundam.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 23, 2007, 12:45:07 AM
I'm on episode 8 of Zeta Gundam. I don't nearly like this as much as the original MSG and some other Gundam tv series.

Episode 6 didn't make much sense to me at all. Camille's angst is beyond annoying. Why did he throw his data of the Zeta Gundam against the wall and why was he trying to hide it? What did he find important about Recoa? Did he like or what? There wasn't much development there, he saw her for like one episode and then all of a sudden they act like they have a relationship.

I like it, but the story and characters (sans Quattro of course) just aren't as appealing as the original Gundam's. There's no one here to act as comedy relief (Kai, the three kids especially the little girl), the captain is extremely boring compared to Bright who's awesome, Camille sucks and I hate that he's always an emo taco (Amuro > Camille). On top of that, the villians aren't nearly as interesting so far. The "bad guys" in the original MSG were all classic. Char Aznable, Garma, Ramba Ral...but the "bad guys" in Zeta all suck. Are you telling me that Jared is supposed to be the main villian the entire series?

Is this your first time watching Zeta?  Jerrid isn't the main villain.  Also, Camille's angst lessens later on in the series, once he starts getting bitchslapped on a regular basis.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2007, 03:23:33 AM
Episode 8 was good. Haro!

Episode 9 is great. KAI!!!!

Seems 6 and 7 were just duds for now.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Shuri on October 23, 2007, 07:14:40 AM
Well I just got the dvd boxset for Gundam 8TH Unit. I'll be watching this all week; this is the first animu content i'll be watching Ninja Scroll came out.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 23, 2007, 07:16:08 AM
8th MS Team is some of the best Gundam animu ever.  If you like it, you're almost assured to like other Gundam shows.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2007, 01:02:48 PM
08th MS is probably my favorite Gundam ova.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 24, 2007, 01:39:27 PM
YEAH!!!!

Quote from: Gunota
CCA & F91 Blu-ray

From this month's Gundam Ace, Bandai Visual is set to release both movies on Blu-ray format. Price is 7800 yen and the release date is Feb 22, 2008.

How about Gundam 00 on Blu-ray, too?
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2007, 01:50:34 PM
Is Gundam F-91 good? What continuity is it?
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 24, 2007, 01:57:22 PM
Is Gundam F-91 good? What continuity is it?

Universal Century year 0123.

The anime movie, Mobile Suit Gundam F91 (機動戦士ガンダムF91, Kidō Senshi Gandamu F91?), was Gundam creator Yoshiyuki Tomino's attempt to launch a new Gundam saga, set thirty years after Char's Counterattack. He re-teamed with character designer Yoshikazu Yasuhiko and mecha designer Kunio Okawara for the occasion. The movie first aired in Japan on March 16, 1991.

Originally planned as a full-length television series, Gundam F91 hit a production snag due to staff disputes, and the project was stopped after the screenplays for the first thirteen episodes were written. It was then decided that what was made of the show would be condensed into a theatrical feature film. Predictably, condensing a story originally intended to be told over the course of fifty half-hour episodes into less than two hours of screen time required much of the original story to be cut, and the results are generally regarded as less than satisfactory.

The story of Gundam F91 revolves around teenage space colonist Seabook Arno, his girlfriend Cecily Fairchild, and the efforts of the Crossbone Vanguard militia, led by Cecily's grandfather Meitzer Ronah, to establish an aristocracy known as "Cosmo Babylonia". In keeping with Gundam tradition, the civilian Seabook is forced by circumstance to pilot the F91 Gundam, coincidentally designed in part by his estranged mother, Dr. Monica Arno.

The Gundam F91 story was fleshed out in much greater detail in Tomino's two-part novelization. Tomino's manga, Crossbone Gundam, is a direct sequel which takes place ten years after the events of the movie.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2007, 01:58:10 PM
So it's the last storyline in the UC series? I thought Victory was.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 24, 2007, 02:00:03 PM
So it's the last storyline in the UC series? I thought Victory was.

Victory takes place in UC 0153, thirty years after F-91.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 24, 2007, 05:45:32 PM
Gundam F91 has gorgeous animation (especially the first thirty minutes or so, it turns TV-quality as the movie goes on) but a very uneven storyline.  You can tell it was supposed to be a 50-episode show that got chopped down to a 2-hour movie.  The F91's design is fucking awesome, however.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 24, 2007, 08:01:09 PM
The American DVD release of Gundam F-91 was cropped into a letterboxed 4:3 image. I CANNOT WAIT to pick it (and CCA) up on Blu-ray.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 24, 2007, 09:16:54 PM
The American DVD release of Gundam F-91 was cropped into a letterboxed 4:3 image. I CANNOT WAIT to pick it (and CCA) up on Blu-ray.

Both discs?  I thought only one of the discs was cropped (it's a 2-disc set).
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 25, 2007, 03:39:24 PM
The American DVD release of Gundam F-91 was cropped into a letterboxed 4:3 image. I CANNOT WAIT to pick it (and CCA) up on Blu-ray.

Both discs?  I thought only one of the discs was cropped (it's a 2-disc set).

It's cropped on both. None of them are true anamorphic prints, but the Japanese DVD release is.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 26, 2007, 12:39:42 AM
It's great to see my third favorite MSG character (Kai) turn into a fucking BADASS.

I LOVE ZETA!!!
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 26, 2007, 01:42:12 AM
By the 9th episode this show really turns into something special especially if you're a big MSG fan. I'm on ep 14 and it's great seeing my favorite old characters again and developed.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 26, 2007, 01:50:56 AM
Has Amuro shown up yet?
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 26, 2007, 02:04:04 AM
yes
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2007, 12:28:07 AM
This series is fucking amazing. GODDAMN what a story
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on October 27, 2007, 12:29:49 AM
Believe in a sign of Zeta :rock
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2007, 12:31:05 AM
BELIEVING A SIGN OF ZETA
BEYOND THE HARD TIMES FROM NOWWWW
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on November 04, 2007, 08:43:51 AM
I started watching Victory Gundam after taking a break from animu for a while.  The main character just got his first bitchslap, keeping with the tradition of Gundam pilots getting the shit beat out of them by their superiors for insubordinance. :lol

Except it wasn't a bitchslap, exactly, it was a hard fucking punch with a closed fist.  Oliver is hardcore. :rock
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on November 04, 2007, 11:03:14 AM
This is fucking crazy.  Since the Victory Gundam episode where they introduced the Shrike Team (6 member female MS team)...

spoiler (click to show/hide)
...they've been killing off a member of the team per episode!  They've already killed Helena and Mahalia, and it looks like they're going to kill off Kate in the next episode.  This show doesn't shy away from showing really, really dark stuff.  :o
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Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Beezy on November 05, 2007, 01:51:26 AM
So I just finished watching Gundam 0080... :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Ultimate Thread of Mecha Animu
Post by: Ichirou on November 05, 2007, 02:04:40 AM
So I just finished watching Gundam 0080... :'( :'( :'(

That show always chokes me up.  Bernie is probably my all-time favorite Gundam character.

0080 ending spoilers:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I love that scene where he's at the spaceport and he's about to leave the colony, and he sees that girl who reminds him of Christina arguing with her boyfriend and he looks around, and then decides to go back and try to destroy the Gundam so the colony won't be bombed...even though he knows it's impossible.  You can tell when he's talking to Al on the phone that he's realized he's going to die.
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