Clinton 47%
Obama 25%
Edwards 11%
Clinton 24%
Edwards 22%
Obama 21%
Clinton 41%
Obama 19%
Edwards 11%
Giuliani 27%
Thompson 18%
Romney 10%
Romney 30%
Giuliani 17%
Thompson 13%
Romney 23%
Giuliani 22%
Thompson 12%
Clinton 46%
Giuliani 39%
Clinton 49%
Romney 40%
i would not vote for hilary or giuliani. this isn't even a "lesser of two evils" choice, this is choosing how deep the razor-edged rusty dildo gets rammed up your rectum. fuck, i'd even vote for that shallow muppet ron paul over one of these two! why is the electorate so fucking stupid? it almost makes a man want to don a tin-foil hat and join hans in a bunker.don't you live in a "safe" hillary state? lol
Elaborating for the first time on why he interrupted a speech to the National Rifle Association this month to take a cell-phone call from his wife, Judith, Giuliani explained that, since 9/11, he and the missus always chat before flying.
"Quite honestly, since Sept. 11, most of the time when we get on a plane, we talk to each other and just reaffirm the fact that we love each other," the Republican presidential hopeful told the Christian Broadcasting Network.
i would not vote for hilary or giuliani. this isn't even a "lesser of two evils" choice, this is choosing how deep the razor-edged rusty dildo gets rammed up your rectum. fuck, i'd even vote for that shallow muppet ron paul over one of these two! why is the electorate so fucking stupid? it almost makes a man want to don a tin-foil hat and join hans in a bunker..
Well, I know Clinton has MY state wrapped up. :-\you probably have a long time. I registered as a democrat so that means I get to vote who gets to be the democratic nominee, right? Fock.
I'm still not registered.
Sadly, I have come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter- Hillary is getting the nomination and likely the Presidency, which is something that makes me feel decidedly icky as it really feels like Americans are so dumb that they've decided to voluntarily subject themselves to an aristocracy of Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton.
Yeah. Clinton holds a certain mystique among the media, and her machine knows how to capitalize on it. Seeing Chris Matthews on the climax of orgasm as he chit chats about "Bill and Hillary" is just nauseating. It's sort of like videogame "journalists" who love being invited to developer parties and getting "inside info" so much that their ability to be impartial is compromised.Yes and this may be her key advantage why her popularity in the electorate is slowly increasing.
Hillary is playing chess with everybody
Hey, you remember how Rudy was at an NRA event, and he interrupted his speech to take a call from his wife? Guess why he did it!Yeah then he texts his mistress to meet after the debate.Quote from: NY Daily NewsElaborating for the first time on why he interrupted a speech to the National Rifle Association this month to take a cell-phone call from his wife, Judith, Giuliani explained that, since 9/11, he and the missus always chat before flying.
"Quite honestly, since Sept. 11, most of the time when we get on a plane, we talk to each other and just reaffirm the fact that we love each other," the Republican presidential hopeful told the Christian Broadcasting Network.
Isn't his college-age daughter a pro-Obama democrat? Giuliani sounds like he's been really lousy as a father/family man.Yeah her daughter is part of 1 million strong for obama on facebook lololol. His son told the media he could never vote for his father for president iirc.
Giuliani sounds like he's been really lousy as a father/family man.
In May 2000, the New York Daily News broke news of Giuliani's extramarital relationship with Judith Nathan, a sales manager for a pharmaceutical company. Giuliani then called a press conference to announce that he intended to separate from Hanover.[112][113][114] Hanover, however, had not been told about his plans before his press conference,[115] an omission for which Giuliani was widely criticized.[116] Previously, Giuliani had hinted at the relationship by referring to Nathan as his "very good friend." Giuliani now went on to praise Nathan as a "very, very fine woman", and said about his marriage with Hanover, that "over the course of some period of time in many ways, we've grown to live independent and separate lives." Hours later Hanover said, "I had hoped that we could keep this marriage together. For several years, it was difficult to participate in Rudy's public life because of his relationship with one staff member," a reference to Lategano. Giuliani, Hanover and Nathan appeared on the cover of People magazine in the aftermath.[117]Pure loving, Christian fatherhood material there.
Giuliani then moved out of Gracie Mansion and into an apartment belonging to two gay friends.[118] Giuliani filed for divorce from Hanover in October 2000,[119] and an unpleasant public battle broke out between their representatives.[120] Nathan was barred by court order from entering Gracie Mansion (where Hanover still lived) or meeting his children before the divorce was final.[121] In May 2001, in an effort to mitigate the bad publicity from the proceedings, Giuliani's attorney revealed (with the mayor's approval) that Giuliani was impotent due to his prostate cancer treatments and had not had sex with Nathan for the preceding year. "You don't get through treatment for cancer and radiation all by yourself," Giuliani said. "You need people to help you and care for you and support you. And I'm very fortunate I had a lot of people who did that, but nobody did more to help me than Judith Nathan."[122] Giuliani argued in a court case that he aimed to introduce Nathan to his children on Father's Day, 2001, and that Donna had prevented this visit.[123] Giuliani and Hanover finally settled their acrimonious divorce case in July 2002, after his mayoralty had ended, with Giuliani paying Hanover a $6.8 million settlement and granting her custody of their children.[124]
Giuliani subsequently married Judith Nathan on May 24, 2003, and thus gained a stepdaughter, Whitney. It was also Nathan's third marriage after two prior divorces.[117]
By March 2007, The New York Times and the New York Daily News reported that Rudy Giuliani had become estranged from both his son Andrew (now a golf team member at Duke University) and his daughter Caroline (graduated from Trinity School in 2007, attending Harvard University), missing major events in their lives, such as graduations, and sometimes going long stretches without talking to them, and that neither of them was taking part in his presidential campaign.[125][126] Caroline uses her mother's surname, Hanover, rather than Giuliani's, and according to reports, she did not inform Giuliani when she was accepted to Harvard.[117] Caroline apparently linked her personal Facebook page to the campaign of Democratic presidential candidate, Senator Barack Obama.[127][128] However, after a slate.com contributor reported this link, Caroline removed this link from her "Facebook" page.[129]
Oh man I hope Hillary's campaign is coming up with some witty comeback to retort with when Guliani inevitably attacks her personal relationship. OMG
Oh man I hope Hillary's campaign is coming up with some witty comeback to retort with when Guliani inevitably attacks her personal relationship. OMGIt has been said that those within "Clinton Camp" are giddy at the idea of going against Rudy. They much prefer him over Thompson or Romney.
“When you’re attacked, you have to deck your opponents."
why is fred thompson lagging? he seems to be the perfect republican candidate given his law & order character and erstwhile would-be reagan platform.He got christian right REEAAALLY pissed off because he said he didn't think it was proper to discuss religious beliefs when running for president. And he happened to mention he doesn't go to church.
I think that the Republicans have just lost their smile. They don't care, which is a shame since it's much more fun to kick someone who is trying to fight back instead of being all fucking emo about it.Yeah. Go look at Free Republic. Most of them seem convinced Hillary will win.
For all their marriage problems, to their credit, the Clintons have stuck with it.
For all their marriage problems, to their credit, the Clintons have stuck with it.
The only reason they're still "together" is because of Hillary's presidential aspirations. Divorcing Bill would have ended her career most likely.
They're a partnership a few steps from becoming a corporation
Not true. Carl Bernstein's (guy who took down nixon) book has A LOT of negative info and stories about hillary in his bio on her. But one thing that was clear was that they are honestly in love to this day despite Bill's cheating ways.For all their marriage problems, to their credit, the Clintons have stuck with it.
The only reason they're still "together" is because of Hillary's presidential aspirations. Divorcing Bill would have ended her career most likely.
They're a partnership a few steps from becoming a corporation
You guys are funny. The rupublicans have only one chance. He is the only candidate on either side that doesnt spew BS.Because ultimately the GOP and Ron Paul have different views on nearly everything and they know the amount of control they could exert over him would be very little.
80% of the american people want to leave Iraq. Ron Paul would get use out tomorrow if he could. How can the GOP be so dumb and not be supporting this guy more.
why is fred thompson lagging? he seems to be the perfect republican candidate given his law & order character and erstwhile would-be reagan platform.
For all their marriage problems, to their credit, the Clintons have stuck with it.
The only reason they're still "together" is because of Hillary's presidential aspirations. Divorcing Bill would have ended her career most likely.
They're a partnership a few steps from becoming a corporation
You're too gullible, PD. That's the media and the Republican spin on it, but I personally don't believe it's true.
Eh? That is my take on it and always has been, and I didn't know anyone else was with me(they're always lagging behind!). She was supposed to be this hero for women, and the one time she has to prove it, she sells them out so she can retain political ties and power.She would of endeared herself to most women that's for sure, couldv'e gotten re-married within 8 years or so and still have a good chance imo.
Bill and Hillary still are a "couple" and I see no reason to believe otherwise.
I don't understand people that say they vehemently oppose Guliani's "politics". The guy was a fucking MAYOR .. he doesn't have any politics nor record to even oppose. Dumb shits. Anything he says now is clearly positioning in his bid for the nomination. Look at GWB .. 95% of what he "ran on" in the election was thrown out the window once he made office. So, if you want to oppose Rudy because he is an unknown quantity with no real experience in the national body poltic ... fine. But to fall for the demonizing spin that he is some sort of autocratic monster, just makes you seem like a fool/tool for the left.
I don't understand people that say they vehemently oppose Guliani's "politics". The guy was a fucking MAYOR .. he doesn't have any politics nor record to even oppose. Dumb shits. Anything he says now is clearly positioning in his bid for the nomination. Look at GWB .. 95% of what he "ran on" in the election was thrown out the window once he made office. So, if you want to oppose Rudy because he is an unknown quantity with no real experience in the national body poltic ... fine. But to fall for the demonizing spin that he is some sort of autocratic monster, just makes you seem like a fool/tool for the left.
LOL. Giuliani's political beliefs and positions are incredibly well-documented. He wasn't MAYOR of Shit Creek, Iowa. He was MAYOR of NEW YORK FUCKIN' CITY, a huge metropolis with an ethnically diverse population. I saw how he dealt with problems there and it gives me a good idea of how he'd deal with problems as president.
Not true. Carl Bernstein's (guy who took down nixon) book has A LOT of negative info and stories about hillary in his bio on her. But one thing that was clear was that they are honestly in love to this day despite Bill's cheating ways.For all their marriage problems, to their credit, the Clintons have stuck with it.
The only reason they're still "together" is because of Hillary's presidential aspirations. Divorcing Bill would have ended her career most likely.
They're a partnership a few steps from becoming a corporation
Though my favorite story from it was when she found out about Monica from bill she chuck a lamp at his head. :lol
You don't believe in evolution either. Some people just can't be helped when it comes to the facts. *shrug*
You don't believe in evolution either. Some people just can't be helped when it comes to the facts. *shrug*
There's no way for anyone on the outside to truly know all the facts with respect to their relationship, or any relationship for that matter. When I look at Hillary's history I see a woman who was calculating, precise, and brilliant when need be. I firmly believe her decision to stay married to someone as sleazy as Bill was strictly political.
It's all guesswork but I've been known to guess on the right side of logic before
You don't believe in evolution either. Some people just can't be helped when it comes to the facts. *shrug*
There's no way for anyone on the outside to truly know all the facts with respect to their relationship, or any relationship for that matter. When I look at Hillary's history I see a woman who was calculating, precise, and brilliant when need be. I firmly believe her decision to stay married to someone as sleazy as Bill was strictly political.
It's all guesswork but I've been known to guess on the right side of logic before
Plz tell me all these calculating moves by Hillary in regards to her marriage. Otherwise I'm just going to think you're pulling this "logic" out of your ass based on Republican spin.
Sort of like George W. Bush, but mean instead of stupid.That describes Rudy in a nut shell and is also why I "fear" Rudy more than Bush.
Believe what you will about Hillary. As for me I'll continue to tote the warning horn :violinAll his fans care about is Iraq. The mere results of him closing down virtually every government agency and how that will ensure absolute chaos is not important. Cause IRAQ!
WHY do so many people like Ron Paul? I understand he's one of the few true conservatives in the race, but based on his crazy ideas how is that a good thing. I remember him answering questions from young voters on CNN. The question was along the lines "as president how would you help make college more accessible to those who can't afford it." His answer? Well that's not the federal government's problem, in fact the education board should be dissolved.
Technically he may be right but if you want to be president...yeah
LOL. Giuliani's political beliefs and positions are incredibly well-documented. He wasn't MAYOR of Shit Creek, Iowa. He was MAYOR of NEW YORK FUCKIN' CITY, a huge metropolis with an ethnically diverse population. I saw how he dealt with problems there and it gives me a good idea of how he'd deal with problems as president.
Quick, show me a large city in America that isn't "ethnically diverse". How exactly did you "see" what Guliani did in New York? Did you live there during his administration?
No matter what the size of a city, no mayor job is similar to the same roles/duties of a President. Period. The only equivalence would be the magnitiude of public scrutiny.
I wonder what would happen if he was elected. Would he get his way, or would the CIA save us :shhAll you have to do is look at how the survivalists live. Homeschooling (hur hur), subsistence living, use of money as savings rather than spending etc.
New York is fuck huge. If California is big enough to be its own country, I think New York is almost big enough to be its own state.Exactly. I think it's safe to say we can judge how he'll be as president based on how he was as Mayor.
I wonder what would happen if he was elected. Would he get his way, or would the CIA save us :shhAll you have to do is look at how the survivalists live. Homeschooling (hur hur), subsistence living, use of money as savings rather than spending etc.
New York is fuck huge. If California is big enough to be its own country, I think New York is almost big enough to be its own state.yeah but look at our governor...
Yeah, what I meant to say is that they live off their savings rather than spend it frivolously.
I don't understand why American politics is the way it is. Why only two parties?? Whoever wins most of the votes gets to call the shots NO MATTER WHAT and the opposing party has no say in ANYTHING. That's RIDICULOUS. RI DICK YOU LUSS.Separate branches with separate elections gives America the choice to have two parties have control and fight amongst each other.
AMERICA LOL
That's why opposition controlled Congress does wonders. Bill Clinton did most of his best work when Newt Gingrich was in control of congress.
It works well when you have a President who realizes he has to make deals (like Clinton did, the balancing of the budget being outcome of this) with Congress to get things done. Which Bush refuses to do. He just vetoes anything he doesn't like and doesn't go down to congress to make deals.That's why opposition controlled Congress does wonders. Bill Clinton did most of his best work when Newt Gingrich was in control of congress.
It's sure working wonders right now!
It works well when you have a President who realizes he has to make deals (like Clinton did, the balancing of the budget being outcome of this) with Congress to get things done. Which Bush refuses to do. He just vetoes anything he doesn't like and doesn't go down to congress to make deals.That's why opposition controlled Congress does wonders. Bill Clinton did most of his best work when Newt Gingrich was in control of congress.
It's sure working wonders right now!
Lyndon Johnson was AMAZING at going down to congress and trying to work out stuff.
You're bringing up LBJ in the context of praising opposition control of Congress?I was praising how LBJ handled congress as opposed to Bush.
Really?
ruzbeh's from the netherlands.Then why would he question us knowing who our own presidents are...?
Take high school history fucker. Not knowing who Lyndon Johnson is and being an American citizen? For fucks sake. HE WAS PRESIDENT.
He had far more of a impact on American politics than JFK did. Though people like to credit all the good stuff LBJ did to Kennedy. :lol :-\
But in all honesty, if you ask most high school kids today who Lyndon B. Johnson was, how many do you think would be able to give you the right answer? Most of them don't even know what century the Civil War was fought in.That doesn't make it right. It shouldn't be too much to ask for someone to know who our last 7 president's are.
Shut up.
Honestly, I don't think Franklin would have made a good president. He seemed WAAAY to cocky to handle that much power.
I had a headache and Conie and Ellie made a tremendous noise playing at my expense and rather laughed when I remonstrated.
I noticed it, it just wasn't worth commenting on lolol.
Also cause I am fucking bored here is how I'd rank the last 10. Yes I PUT NIXON AHEAD OF REAGAN. I kind of liked Nixon for some god awful reason. :-[ And yes Gerald Ford is in my top 5 loooool
1. Lyndon B. Johnson
2. Dwight Eisenhower
3. Bill Clinton
4. John F. Kennedy
5. Gerald Ford
6. George H.W. Bush
7. Jimmy Carter
8. Richard Nixon
9. Ronald Reagan
10. George W. Bush
And Ichi I love how your list features three of the worse US presidents; I bet no one else noticed this but me. Do I get a cookie :heartbeat :cookie
who the fuck compares TR to the guy who only became president because he wore his french-indian war uniform (which during the two battles he led, he lost one and the other he won was against a diplomatic party) to congress every day when the constitution was being written and who couldn't make his mind up about whether slaves should really be free but that hey, I should switch them between houses in different states so that they don't become free after 6 months?
the guy was an idiot, but I guess he looked good as a figurehead so the senators and representatives elected him.
So basically they're the anti-MAF?Alcohol is never frivolous.
Alcohol is never frivolous.what happened?
Thomas Jefferson was a total hypocrite. I remember seeing a documentary about the black Jefferson descendants and the white Jefferson descendents met or some such. Fun times.
Best president was Washington.Who is your favorite that isnt Washington or Lincoln.
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:bow :bow :bow :bow
Our founding fathers were so smart.
Oh awesome, the Teenage distinguished mentally-challenged fellow Brigade shat up the thread. Way to go, boys.Ford was in my top 5 president list? I didn't know that.
HEY GUYZ WHOZ YER FAVE PRES I LIKE FORD LOL
Oh awesome, the Teenage distinguished mentally-challenged fellow Brigade shat up the thread. Way to go, boys.
HEY GUYZ WHOZ YER FAVE PRES I LIKE FORD LOL
Don't go calling me distinguished mentally-challenged on politics when you have FoC in this thread. LOLOLOLOL Ron Paul.
Yeah, what I meant to say is that they live off their savings rather than spend it frivolously.
So basically they're the anti-MAF?
If that man really cared about freedom he'd have an American Flag tie on:'(
Ron Paul would destroy this country. You can't fucking dismantle the public education system and other batshit insane ideas he has. The country would fall apart.
Is he right on Iraq? Yes. But who the fuck cares about Iraq when he'd tear apart this country?
COLUMBIA, South Carolina (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Sunday that the front-runner for his party's nomination, Hillary Clinton, does not offer the break from politics as usual that voters need.http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
Both Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-New York, and her husband, former President Clinton, have criticized Obama for his lack of political experience. (Related: Bill Clinton hits Obama on experience)
Obama said he understands their argument.
"They want to make the argument that Senator Clinton is just an extension of the Bill Clinton presidency," Obama said in an interview with The Associated Press. "They've been the dominant political family in the Democratic Party for the last 20 years now. So it's not surprising that they want to focus on their longevity.
But, Obama said: "My belief is that the American people are looking for a fundamental break from the way we've been doing business."
Obama said his opposition to the Iraq war before combat began shows his experience. Clinton voted to authorize military action in Iraq.
"On the single most important foreign policy issue of our time, I got it right," Obama said.
This week marks the fifth anniversary of a speech Obama gave in 2002 opposing the Iraq war, and he'll spend the week revisiting that address and discussing the foreign policy challenges he says it has created.
Look at wiki or some other source. In general he advocated that slavery was immoral and that all men were born equal but he owned slaves. Personally from what I remember he didn't release Heming from slavery after his death (though I think his children may have been).yeah I'd imagine a lot of people said they hated slavery to seem open-minded.
Ron Paul would destroy this country. You can't fucking dismantle the public education system and other batshit insane ideas he has. The country would fall apart.
Is he right on Iraq? Yes. But who the fuck cares about Iraq when he'd tear apart this country?
He doesn't want to make them smaller he wants to get rid of them
yeah I'd imagine a lot of people said they hated slavery to seem open-minded.It wasn't neccessarily that, there was some conviction to what he said but I think politics or economics won out in the end.
It wasn't neccessarily that, there was some conviction to what he said but I think politics or economics won out in the end.yeah I agree.
There wouldn't have been a union without compromise.what?
There wouldn't have been a union without compromise.Yes but that doesn't explain why he had slaves purely as assets.
oh, that union. yeah but slaves are fucked up.
Only if you're the slave!it was like 50/50 in the south. and besides, this is just argueing over the personal beliefs of the old dead mistress-fuckers.