THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Mondain on October 05, 2007, 03:41:06 PM
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New PLAYSTATION®3 Model to Take Holiday Season by Storm
Aggressively priced hardware and a terrific software line-up make for an unbeatable combination
New 40GB PS3 at €399
London, 5 October 2007 – Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) today announced details of its exciting new PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3™) model that will launch throughout the SCEE territories on 10th October 2007 at the highly attractive price of €399.
Providing an incredibly appealing entry point to the world of High Definition gaming and entertainment for the holiday season, the new PS3 brings the next generation of interactive home entertainment to homes all across Europe, Middle East, Africa and Australasia.
Along with an ever expanding line-up of PS3 titles (a total of 65 titles tracking across all genres by Christmas), the new PS3 is equipped with a 40GB HDD and includes all the features central to the High Definition entertainment experience; true next generation gameplay, stunning High Definition Blu-ray Disc™ movies, SIXAXIS™ wireless controller, Wi-Fi and HDMI connectivity, all powered by the Cell Broadband Engine™, the digital heart of PS3.
As with the 60GB PS3, the new PS3 features upgradeable firmware allowing new features and functionality to be added to the system as time progresses. A recent firmware update, for example, enabled PS3 to upscale DVD’s played on the system to full 1080P High Definition.
The introduction of the new PS3 has been determined following user feedback from thousands of existing PS3 owners as well as research into future potential PS3 owners. The new model features two USB 2.0 ports rather than four and no longer includes the multi memory card port.
The new model is no longer backwards compatible with PlayStation®2 titles, reflecting both the reduced emphasis placed on this feature amongst later purchasers of PS3, as well as the availability of a more extensive line-up of PS3 specific titles (a total of 65 titles across all genres by Christmas).
The existing Starter Pack*, comprising a 60GB PS3 with extensive backwards compatibility, an additional SIXAXIS wireless controller and two first party titles will be reduced in price to €499. Remaining on sale while stocks last, the 60GB model represents outstanding value for the keen gamer wishing to upgrade to the High Definition capabilities of PS3.
“The introduction of the new PS3 has been the result of extensive research into the entertainment needs and preferences of the next generation of PS3 owners,” said David Reeves, President of SCEE. “It has allowed us to deliver an extremely advanced, yet incredibly affordable High Definition gaming and entertainment system, configured to the needs of the next generation of European PS3 owners. PS3 has always been the device of choice for the discerning gamer and entertainment seeker, and the new PS3 is more than ever the perfect High Definition entertainment system.
*In the UK and Ireland, the Starter Pack will be replaced by a separate in-store promotion on the 60GB PS3.
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Whoever buys this is a sucker, with rumble in the future.
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better late than never i suppose.
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I was going to get this 400 dollar ps3 but if it doesn't have ps2 bc then it's a NO SALE.
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NO SALE DAMMIT
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NO SALE DAMMIT
There is no $400 PS3 yet. 400 euros is a lot more than $400.
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No PS2 compatibility? Well what games are people gonna play on the PS3 now?
NO SALE
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There is no $400 PS3 yet. 400 euros is a lot more than $400.
yeah but don't they charge the same number of euros for consoles as they do dollars?
and does this mean there will never be any software BC at all?
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it's going to cost 399$ in the US to be sure, the old insider information about this whole thing was spot-on and indicated that in NA this was going to be the price for the 40 GB unit
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There is no $400 PS3 yet. 400 euros is a lot more than $400.
yeah but don't they charge the same number of euros for consoles as they do dollars?
and does this mean there will never be any software BC at all?
The currently existing 20GB and 60GB have hardware BC, and I'm guessing the 80GB will keep software BC capability.
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NO SALE DAMMIT
There is no $400 PS3 yet. 400 euros is a lot more than $400.
Well there's a rumor there's going to be a 400 dollar ps3!
PD:
Uncharted
Ratchet and Clank
Metal Gear Solid 4
Wipeout HD
Super Stardust HD
Yakuza 3
Aqua
Sanco (new team ico game)
Star Ocean 4
Megami Tensei game
Another team ico game
Echochrome
Valkyrie of the Battlefield
Infamous
I'm sure Distant can fill in the rest!
NUB. Ps3's got lots of interesting games coming out!
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I'm sold I think
:bow Sony :bow
Sony's new slogan should be "We finally did something right."
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The currently existing 20GB and 60GB have hardware BC, and I'm guessing the 80GB will keep software BC capability.
So there's no reason for this not to be able to get software BC, am I correct? I'm mostly interested in keeping up with the major PS2 game releases.
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The currently existing 20GB and 60GB have hardware BC, and I'm guessing the 80GB will keep software BC capability.
So there's no reason for this not to be able to get software BC, am I correct? I'm mostly interested in keeping up with the major PS2 game releases.
They cut it out to keep costs down, apparently. I'm glad my PS3 has it, though.
If you're unwilling to shell out another $100 or so for BC, you could always hang on to your PS2. My PS2 still comes in handy for my Japanese imports and DDR.
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NO SALE DAMMIT
There is no $400 PS3 yet. 400 euros is a lot more than $400.
Well there's a rumor there's going to be a 400 dollar ps3!
PD:
Uncharted
Ratchet and Clank
Metal Gear Solid 4
Wipeout HD
Super Stardust HD
Yakuza 3
Aqua
Sanco (new team ico game)
Star Ocean 4
Megami Tensei game
Another team ico game
Echochrome
Valkyrie of the Battlefield
Infamous
I'm sure Distant can fill in the rest!
NUB. Ps3's got lots of interesting games coming out!
:zzz
Name games coming out in the near future or already out please, none of this late 08 crud
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NO SALE DAMMIT
There is no $400 PS3 yet. 400 euros is a lot more than $400.
Well there's a rumor there's going to be a 400 dollar ps3!
PD:
Uncharted
Ratchet and Clank
Metal Gear Solid 4
Wipeout HD
Super Stardust HD
Yakuza 3
Aqua
Sanco (new team ico game)
Star Ocean 4
Megami Tensei game
Another team ico game
Echochrome
Valkyrie of the Battlefield
Infamous
I'm sure Distant can fill in the rest!
NUB. Ps3's got lots of interesting games coming out!
:zzz
Name games coming out in the near future or already out please, none of this late 08 crud
Resistance
Uncharted
Ratchet and Clank Future
Super Stardust HD
Warhawk
Heavenly Sword
Wipeout HD, Echochrome and MGS4 are early 2008 titles, by the way.
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Those games should be fun when rumble is included in late 08
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Those games should be fun when rumble is included in late 08
The MGS games are the only ones that I've ever found rumble useful. I'll probably import a rumble controller when they come out in Japan, though, just in case something else truly takes advantage of it.
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They cut it out to keep costs down, apparently. I'm glad my PS3 has it, though.
If you're unwilling to shell out another $100 or so for BC, you could always hang on to your PS2. My PS2 still comes in handy for my Japanese imports and DDR.
that's weird, I didn't think software BC cost anything in hardware costs.
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They cut it out to keep costs down, apparently. I'm glad my PS3 has it, though.
If you're unwilling to shell out another $100 or so for BC, you could always hang on to your PS2. My PS2 still comes in handy for my Japanese imports and DDR.
that's weird, I didn't think software BC cost anything in hardware costs.
Don't ask me, that's just what SCEE said.
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Those games should be fun when rumble is included in late 08
The MGS games are the only ones that I've ever found rumble useful. I'll probably import a rumble controller when they come out in Japan, though, just in case something else truly takes advantage of it.
It must be important enough for them to bring it back. I think I can wait, they'll probably do another package with the rumble included.
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doesn't ps3 have shmups coming out distant?
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lowering the price by stripping features. OH SONY lol
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Those games should be fun when rumble is included in late 08
The MGS games are the only ones that I've ever found rumble useful. I'll probably import a rumble controller when they come out in Japan, though, just in case something else truly takes advantage of it.
It must be important enough for them to bring it back. I think I can wait, they'll probably do another package with the rumble included.
Oh, I'm sure they will. They like money.
doesn't ps3 have shmups coming out distant?
There is that one being developed by EastAsiaSoft and funded by PlayAsia... Soldner X:Himmelstrung or something like that... I'm not a big shmup guy, so I wouldn't know.
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Oh, I'm sure they will. They like money.
Evidently not, as the price cuts indicate - from $600 to $400 in how long? Has it been a year even?
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soldnerx looked good. it's a shmup with co-op and good graphics.
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Oh, I'm sure they will. They like money.
Evidently not, as the price cuts indicate - from $600 to $400 in how long? Has it been a year even?
You don't get money unless people buy your stuff, though! :lol
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sony is truly desperate :lol
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Yeah Soldner looks hot, look at this HD video
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/25936.html?r=1&type=wmv
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Fuck this shit.
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Fuck this shit.
lowering the price by stripping features. OH SONY lol
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SO SALE
The only games worth playing on PS3 are PS2 games.
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I'M GONNA BUY IT DAMMIT
SO SALE
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Read the thread viz.
SO SALE
I lost.
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I think Himuro has Autism
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i agree that not even including the software BC is lame. WTFX? that means people cant even download PSOne games from the PSN store?
They need to just include the Euro/80GB PS3 software BC.....WTFX!
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BC isn't software, and costs a whole lot more than to just include a GS chip
most mundane consumers don't have a lot of PS2 games in the first place and are jaded of them, there aren't lots of major PS2 titles on the horizon, some of you guys forget that most people simply play a few games per year
and it's likely that they've kept their existing PS2 anyway because the trade-in value for the system would be extremely low at GameStop
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stfu mondain. I want bc!
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also here is SHOCKAXIS?
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stfu mondain. I want bc!
Persona 3 looks good upscaled.
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Mondain is a remarkably unbiased apologetic poster.
PS3 has less colors.
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what the fuck is that avatar viz!
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what the fuck is that avatar viz!
check out the avatar thread in the real talk forum
even i do not approve
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Mondain is a remarkably unbiased apologetic poster.
uh? what the hell are you talking about? I don't understand why you're saying that :lol
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Whoever buys this is a sucker, with rumble in the future.
I'd rather buy a used 60 GB model...
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Why are people happy about such a thing? Won't another SKU cause more problems? Isn't this one of the issues MS got bitched at for the longest time?
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Why are people happy about such a thing? Won't another SKU cause more problems? Isn't this one of the issues MS got bitched at for the longest time?
multiply sku's seems to be fine when Sony does it!
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i'll pass. the price is nice, but i'd rather have the bc. as for the memorycard readers, and 2 extra usb ports... i want them, too.
Why are people happy about such a thing? Won't another SKU cause more problems? Isn't this one of the issues MS got bitched at for the longest time?
apparently, this will be the only sku in europe, and in the us it'll be like this and the 80gig one, or maybe just the 40gig eventually.
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No PS2 support? Less USB ports? No card reader?
This is for suckers.
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No PS2 support? Less USB ports? No card reader?
This is for suckers.
I think they'll do another SKU after the holidays (depending on how well this one goes) that is like $50 more and has those three things plus a maybe 50 GB HDD. I mean, they're phasing out the 60 GB in Europe so that probably means there will be a new version that has BC because that can be a huge selling point for casuals by 2008 when PS3 is $300 or less and when there could still be PS2 games coming out.
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No PS2 support? Less USB ports? No card reader?
This is for suckers.
IAWTP
This is one of the dumbest moves Sony has made in a while, and that's saying something.
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Multiple SKUs is the problem. If they do it, they ONLY difference should be pack-ins and/or the size of the hard drive. But it's all a big fucking rip-off. I got a 160gb hard drive for my PS3 for around $100. They can price this stuff cheaper.
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Yup, this shit is just going to confuse the average consumer even more. And the lack of BC is a dealbreaker for me. At this point, I might just buy one of the 60 GB units used at some future point, just for decent BC.
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I wonder if it can be hacked to play Ps2 games? If so, I'll wait for that.
Next up - 0 GB sku with no hard drive, no controller, and no case, just a bunch of loose parts in a box with a plastic screwdriver, $299
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Here's Sony's blundering Phil Harrison laughing at Microsoft's decision to offer more than one hardware configuration.
"I think we wouldn't take that strategy. We wouldn't create confusion" - Phil Harrison, Sony, August 2005.
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^ stolen form UKR, but still gold
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Is it me, or are there a lot more bannings at GAF since this announcement?
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Is it me, or are there a lot more bannings at GAF since this announcement?
I don't pay attention to the gaming side anymore really, but there were a lot more when everyone began to realize that the PS3 was not going to be a juggernaut.
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1up yours was pretty funny. garnett: ''ms started the no-bc shit'' :lol
they should probably not discuss stuff like this a day before it's announced while they don't know much about it, lol.
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the 40 GB SKU will be the only one available in Europe in the long run according to SCEE, and the same situation will probably happen too in North America and in Japan
concerning BC, maybe it's a good idea that such support was beginning to be discontinued, because it just wouldn't be possible in the next generation of systems to emulate PS3 and 360, you'd have to re-include tons of hardware components again and it would be a huge mess, and add unnecessary costs
it's understandable that some held BC to heart, but ultimately to offer a full-fledged next-gen system at the cheapest price point is much more important
however, why would anyone be disappointed of seeing two USB ports and memory card ports go away? they're useless, are you really going to use them? if they're that important to you, why not get a cheap eternal USB memory card adapter? if you need more USB ports, it's very easy to daisy chain connections with an adapter too
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they're saving $20!
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concerning BC, maybe it's a good idea that such support was beginning to be discontinued, because it just wouldn't be possible in the next generation of systems
So? It's possible now. Stop apologizing for Sony.
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A democratically-priced yet fully functional system trumps all. I barely ever used the Xbox emulation functions of the 360, and didn't use the PS2 emulation and upscaling functions of the PS3 for that many games.
Most people wouldn't perceive any difference with PS2 upscaling or don't have a big high-resolution HDTV that would allow them to appreciate the difference, it's almost strictly a matter of convenience. Their existing slimline PS2 doesn't take that much space in the TV stand, although you have the hassle of keeping it connected to the TV.
Again, most people don't own lots of games, it's not like hardcore gamers who often own dozens and dozens of PS2 titles, so this is practically a non-issue. Mostly it's flamebait fodder for the xbot contingent.
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GTFO, Mondain. No one on EB hyped up the PS3's ability to upscale PS2 games more than you. And BC probably benefits most gamers more than Blu-ray playback.
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lots of videophiles and hardcore forum users care about PS2 upscaling, but next to no casuals
Blu-Ray is a major asset, recent Blu-Ray movie releases are very compelling, and once people see videos in HD on their shiny new set via HDMI they are often reluctant to go back to DVDs
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Is it me, or are there a lot more bannings at GAF since this announcement?
I don't pay attention to the gaming side anymore really, but there were a lot more when everyone began to realize that the PS3 was not going to be a juggernaut.
Well, that's what you get when one of the mods uses the handle "sonycowboy"... :-\
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I love HD movies, both HD-DVD and Blu-ray but the selections are still mostly shit. Also, most people can't tell much difference between upscaled DVD and HD movies. At least, not enough to spend twice as much on a BD instead of a DVD.
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what happened to the "one sku" plan?
Sony lol
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that is a one SKU plan.
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Sony sucks.
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Is this new 40GB sku going to come with a big red stripe on it to let people know that Sony have abandoned backwards compatibility?
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I can't believe the defenders of no BC. So much for Nfans taking the cake on putting corporation before user.
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Is there no way that Sony can add BC through software later? I am a technical 'tard so I don't know the answer. If not....it really sucks. It sucked when MS did it and it sucks now that Sony is doing it.
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Is it likely that no BC will be the case for all PS3s worldwide going forward? Or is it just going to be for the Euro market? That sounds weird, but apparently they aren't getting the 80GB either, so...
I'd like to get a BC PS3 in 2 or 3 years when it's $200 or so.
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Is there no way that Sony can add BC through software later? I am a technical 'tard so I don't know the answer. If not....it really sucks. It sucked when MS did it and it sucks now that Sony is doing it.
They could. The PS3 is so much more powerful than the PS2 and Sony has access to all the PS2 hardware secrets. PS2 emulators don't work so well on PCs yet because the programmers have to rely on reverse-engineering. Emulated PS2 on the PS3 should be just as smooth as PSX on the PSP if Sony decides to put in the effort.
I think they're just not promising Software BC now because they don't think it's worth the trouble to guarantee BC with the cheaper SKUs. I think the 80GB PS3 is basically the same as the 40GB one, except for the HD size, and the 80GB version still has software BC.
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me and the wife couldn't tell any significant improvement with blu-ray and hd-dvd over upscaled dvds with a good transfer at 1080i.
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me and the wife couldn't tell any significant improvement with blu-ray and hd-dvd over upscaled dvds with a good transfer at 1080i.
Yeah, transfer quality is equally important as disc capacity. Some HD movies look pretty disapointing while some DVDs look incredibly sharp when upscaled.
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Is there no way that Sony can add BC through software later? I am a technical 'tard so I don't know the answer. If not....it really sucks. It sucked when MS did it and it sucks now that Sony is doing it.
They could. The PS3 is so much more powerful than the PS2 and Sony has access to all the PS2 hardware secrets. PS2 emulators don't work so well on PCs yet because the programmers have to rely on reverse-engineering. Emulated PS2 on the PS3 should be just as smooth as PSX on the PSP if Sony decides to put in the effort.
I think they're just not promising Software BC now because they don't think it's worth the trouble to guarantee BC with the cheaper SKUs. I think the 80GB PS3 is basically the same as the 40GB one, except for the HD size, and the 80GB version still has software BC.
80GB still has the PS2 GPU, unlike the 40GB.
I really doubt Sony is going to bother setting up two versions of every game (for 80GB and 40GB owners). They'll just stick with what they already developed for the 80GB people. I just hope this BC drop isn't going to go across the line, that'd be totally gimped.
me and the wife couldn't tell any significant improvement with blu-ray and hd-dvd over upscaled dvds with a good transfer at 1080i.
Yea, I watched Gladiator on a 1080i TV (on my 360) and it looked fucking awesome, way better than most of my DVDs and just as good as Blu Ray IMO.
My Blu Ray owning friend tells me that Blu Rays with a bad transfer can look worse than that, so fuck it.
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Sony has gotten into the practice of making a gajillion SKUs for one product. You every try to nail down the main Sony mp3 player? Theres tons of different models, with slightly different model numbers and slightly different looks, but no single mainstay or platform base. Every Sony failure ends in Skumultiplicity. They need just one damned SKU and to stick with it. It would be different if they are upgrades, but these aren't upgrades, just variations.
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Sony has gotten into the practice of making a gajillion SKUs for one product. You every try to nail down the main Sony mp3 player? Theres tons of different models, with slightly different model numbers and slightly different looks, but no single mainstay or platform base. Every Sony failure ends in Skumultiplicity. They need just one damned SKU and to stick with it. It would be different if they are upgrades, but these aren't upgrades, just variations.
In Sony's defense, the 360's multiple SKUs have been just as confusing and yet it's selling very well. However, Sony needs to do a even better job than MS of informing its customers about the current models' BC capabilities or lack thereof. With the 360, at least everyone knows that the BC is not very reliable. In Sony's case, many new customers could possibly be pissed off when their PS2 games won't play on their PS3s because their friends' PS3s could do so perfectly.
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Some movies like the director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven look incredible upscaled to the native resolution of the TV. I can still see a difference between the best DVD transfers and HD-DVDs, though, and sitting on the couch directly in front of the TV (6 feet from a 46" screen, we have two rows of couches with the back row on cement blocks - don't ask) can make most DVDs painful to look at. My Happiness DVD with its non-anamorphic widescreen transfer makes me sad.
720p PS2 games was probably the most appealing thing about the PS3 for me. Oh well.
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Some movies like the director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven look incredible upscaled to the native resolution of the TV. I can still see a difference between the best DVD transfers and HD-DVDs, though, and sitting on the couch directly in front of the TV (6 feet from a 46" screen, we have two rows of couches with the back row on cement blocks - don't ask) can make most DVDs painful to look at. My Happiness DVD with its non-anamorphic widescreen transfer makes me sad.
720p PS2 games was probably the most appealing thing about the PS3 for me. Oh well.
The good thing is that many of the later "big" PS2 titles have native 480p rendering, which looks even better than upscaled 720p/1080P PS2 games on the PS3. So those 480P supporting PS2 titles are better played on a PS2 anyways.
Some of the HD transfers have been kinda disappointing for me. I think it's a bigger problem with the older movies. For example, Hot Fuzz in HD looked amazing while The Mummy barely looked much better than an upscaled DVD.
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me and the wife couldn't tell any significant improvement with blu-ray and hd-dvd over upscaled dvds with a good transfer at 1080i.
You see the difference at 1080p.
I didn't really see much of an improvement with blu-rays movies versus DVD movies at all on my 20 inch 1080i Bravia, but at on my in-laws' 46 inch 1080p Aquos, it was pretty obvious.
Oh, and maybe it's just the TV, but on the same Aquos, the PS3 looked *AWFUL* in 1080i on a big screen before changing it to 1080p. I couldn't believe the difference.
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Backwards compatibility is last gen. -Kaz Hirai
Seriously, it's dang frightening to see some of the people on GAF support this decision, with stuff like 'this is the best decision Sony has ever made' and whatnot. Not to mention the sudden reversal of the same people who bitched about sales age being the same ones now endorsing this.
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If the PS3 hadn't been BC from the beginning, this wouldn't even be an issue. But anyone supporting the removal of a major feature from the system has lost their marbles.
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Something funny. Look at this moron's blog:
http://realdealgaming.blogspot.com/2007/08/ps3-has-no-games-putting-end-to-myth.html
"PS3 has no games? Bitch, please! With backwards compatibility, you can play all these awesome PSX and upscaled PS2 games! PS3 has a library of great stuff already built-in!"
Then, when the BC-less PS3 gets announced...
http://realdealgaming.blogspot.com/2007/10/40-gb-ps3-will-no-backwards.html
"PS3 with no backwards compatibility? This is the greatest idea Sony has ever had! You probably already have a PS2 anyway!"
lol fanboys
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uh, wouldn't bc in combination with a reasonable price be a good way to draw in ps2 owners? and how much money does this really save them? it isn't even worth trying to understand sony's decisions
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He changed his mind in two months? :lol Is it Kittonwy's blog? He was talking about how rumble was useless until the new PS3 controller got announced,.
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I dunno who it is, it was posted on GAF by some guy praising his logic regarding the new BC-less PS3. :lol
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I dunno who it is, it was posted on GAF by some guy praising his logic regarding the new BC-less PS3. :lol
Was it that justjohn guy? I think he said something like 'I wish this guy posted here' or something to that effect. :lol
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Yeah, pretty sure that was it.
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I WAS GOING TO GET IT BUT IT HAS NO PS2 BC.
IT'S A NO SALE
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Sony's new slogan should be "We finally did something right."
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol SO TRUE!!!!!
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To be honest, PS2 BC isn't really a huge feature for folks with HDTVs. Upscaled PS2 is mostly not so hot, and everybody already has a PS2 anyway.
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I don't think that many gamers really care that much about BC. Granted, the majority of forum gamers would care a lot about playing their old games but most casual gamers just want to play a few games a year on their new system.
With regards to PS3's upscaling abilities, I think I've mentioned before that PS2 games with native 480p support look nicer anyways without the upscaling. Also, regardless of how you upscale a PS2 game, it will still look pretty bad on a HDTV.
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I've only bought & played one PS2 game since the PS3 came out (Odin Sphere), which looked OK on the PS3, so I agree it's not a big deal, but saying that, the component slots on my TV are all taken up now, so if I wanted to play PS2, I'd either have to change the cables or make do with shitty S-video or RCA. Also, this is more of a big deal for filthy poors who want to trade in their PS2 and get a cheap PS3. I agree with drohne - the people they are targetting with the price drop are the people who need the BC most. People who can afford to keep a PS2 on hand can afford a PS3 at full price.
.......Or buy a $20 component switcher.
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.......Or buy a $20 component switcher.
Problems with that idea:
1. Japanese component uses D-connectors, not RCA plugs
2. Component switcher for $20? :lol
3. They're ugly as fuck
4. What about the optical audio that goes to my amp?
There are optical audio switchers. I don't think they're too expensive. Also, it is possible to find a component switcher for $20. You can even use one of those RCA (red, yellow, white) switchers with no problems.
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Optical selectors: http://amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/104-4685600-3154367?initialSearch=1&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=optical+selector&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go
that's what i have:
http://www.amazon.com/Radio-Shack-15-1586-Digital-Selector/dp/B000MKG98K/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-4685600-3154367?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1191899020&sr=8-2
10 usd new under sellers.
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Groo lives in Japan, where it is NOT possible to find a D-Terminal component switcher for $20.
Mine cost me a whopping 6000 yen, although Groo being the hardcore gamer that he is, this price shouldn't be stopping him; just buy one and stop complaining already dude! :)
It's the HDMI switchers that are fucking outrageous. I don't need one now, but I saw one for sale for around 20,000 yen. WHAT. THE. FUCK.
If I end up moving back to the States next year, is it ever going to suck having to rebuy all the component cables again. :/
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Can't order online?
if he can't...goddammit, shit is really expensive over there.
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How much is 20,000 yen in US dollars? Not everyone here is/was a Japafag. If you need a HDMI switcher someday, Patel recommended a website that sold one for $20. Mupepe got one and said that it worked fine.
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About $160.
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About $160.
To be fair, many retail stores in the US sell HDMI switchers for not much less. But it's much easier to find cheaper ones online. How are the internet stores in Japan?
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Can't order online?
if he can't...goddammit, shit is really expensive over there.
For the third time: He needs a D-Terminal component switcher, which correct me if I'm wrong, is only used in Japan. It's a different kind of connection; the picture is the same as component, but the cable is completely different.
The prices of electronics in Japan, "the home country" for a lot of this stuff, is insanely high sometimes.
To be fair, many retail stores in the US sell HDMI switchers for not much less. But it's much easier to find cheaper ones online. How are the internet stores in Japan?
I never see much of a savings, if any.
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Ah, sorry lyte, i didn't understand the situation correctly.
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monoprice sells cheap pushbutton hdmi switchers that do the job perfectly -- digital signal and all. with component switchers, you have to spend some money if you don't want picture degradation
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pictures of the little marvel
(http://i22.tinypic.com/s11507.jpg)
(http://i23.tinypic.com/2hoiog1.jpg)
(http://i23.tinypic.com/16j2929.jpg)
(http://i23.tinypic.com/245y8v9.jpg)
(http://i21.tinypic.com/2hydjbm.jpg)
(http://i23.tinypic.com/2pslsih.jpg)
And Sony explains why they strategically decided to focus their ressources on PS3 features instead:
http://kotaku.com/gaming/customer-service/sony-could-run-bc-on-40gb-ps3s-they-just-dont-want-to-308467.php
The 40GB model, to be launched in Europe on 10th October, is a new model and is not equipped with any of the semi conductors from the PS2, and backwards compatibility would therefore have to be achieved by software emulation alone. The sheer numbers of PS2 titles available, together with the increased complexity of using a software only solution for each and every title means that to ensure accurate software emulation for the majority would be technically challenging, time consuming and costly. As we have mentioned on several occasions, our engineering resources are now focused on developing new and innovative features and services for the PS3 and, as a result the 40GB model does not have backwards compatibility with PS2 titles.
The current PS3 system software and future updates will continue to support backwards compatibility for the current 60GB and 80GB models, and publishers can check their new PS2 titles to ensure they play on the 60GB and 80GB models.
Keen gamers, for whom backwards compatibility is important, can still purchase the existing 60GB PS3 Starter Pack which contains an extra SIXAXIS controller, two first party titles and has extensive backwards compatibility with PS2 titles.
We've all seen how 360-emulated Xbox games are full of imperfections, bugs and small blemishes, and how it seems incredibly hard to take care of the whole back catalog. Now imagine with a colossal library like the PS2's. Considering that just about everyone owns a PS2 now and simply claimed for a cheaper PS3 for months on the Internet and elsewhere, this move seems very sound.
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"little marvel" :lol
anyway BC is a big deal imo
shame to see sony strip it
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So that's what a complete rip-off looks like. Good to know. :o
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I see less front vents.
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I think if I lived in Europe I'd be fucking importing EVERYTHING. Damn they got it bad.
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Actually about that 360 emulation part, Xbox video card is Nvidia, while 360 is ATI.
different shit, not to mention MS did not bother to license the original Xbox hardware or some shit.
while Sony on the other hand have the license and the same video card company, Nvidia.
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Mondain is hilarious. He used to claim that upscaled PS2 games was God's gift to earth but now he thinks it makes sense to remove BC completely. What does the 360's crappy BC have to do with Sony's decision? Sony claimed for a long time that BC was a major advantage that the PS3 had over the 360. Now none of that "colossal" PS2 library can be played on the PS3.
Also, why's it a little marvel? Did they shrink the size? I thought that they just removed some ports. It actually would be kinda cool if removal of BC allowed them to shrink the PS2 by 25% or so but I haven't heard anything about it. If Sony did that, the lack of BC would be a worthwhile tradeoff. I actually like the look of the PS3. It's a little bulky but the overall design looks nice.
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it's a marvel because it puts the PS3 on the verge of a democratically-accessible pricing level
and Sony's japanese engineers are already planning a slim, fanless PS3, set to be released in a few years, they disclosed it in an interview done about PS3 firmware upgrades
this is BY FAR Sony's biggest asset for this generation, a cheap, Blu-Ray drive-equipped PS3 with a slim and sleek design to rivalize with the Wii and sell astounding amounts of copies to casuals
smallness and sleekness are part of an enormous fashion in electronics nowadays, much more than some 7-8 years ago, as proven by the continued success of Wii and slim PS2 hardware
this is much bigger than the combined might of Gran Turismo 5/Final Fantasy XIII/Metal Gear Solid 4/Singstar and others
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Shit can't even read SACD!
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What. Games will always be the deciding factor. That's why PS1 killed the Saturn and PS2 won last gen.
Sadly, no, there are no Wii games. Sleek, tiny Ipod-looking hardware mattered far more than the inexistent quality software library.
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What. Games will always be the deciding factor. That's why PS1 killed the Saturn and PS2 won last gen.
Sadly, no, there are no Wii games. Sleek, tiny Ipod-looking hardware mattered far more than the inexistent quality software library.
You do realize Wii is not only selling for that sleek ipod look, but for the Wiimote and it's mini games, right?
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yeah sony probably has a lot in warehouses from everybody waiting for the dualshock3.
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You do realize Wii is not only selling for that sleek ipod look, but for the Wiimote and it's mini games, right?
A trendy, small design is a huge asset these years regardlessly, and it affects the amount of media hype and free publicity that your product will get.
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No pack-in Dual Shock is NOT a surprise for Japan.
Is this PS3 gimped like the Euro version?
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you play every game by waggling, that is a little more important.
the new PS3 will be 4.4Kg (down from 5Kg) and power consumption is 280W (100W down from older models).
I think that means they switched to 65 nm. while that's a good thing, it also guarantees that no future PS3 will have hardware BC.
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So I guess I have no choice in waiting for a bundle with Dual Shock 3, might as well try and find a PS3 that has BC installed
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It is indeed, but without software (whether they are actual games for the hardcore folks or mini games for the family/casuals) shit won't sell as much as you hope it will.
not to mention making PS2 titles completely useless here.
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No pack-in Dual Shock is NOT a surprise for Japan.
Is this PS3 gimped like the Euro version?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8150402&postcount=55
No BC.
No SACD.
but in another news...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8150645&postcount=120
Power consumption:
20/60GB: 380W
40GB: 280W
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Maybe they can save some more bucks on manufacturing by removing the optical out port
...or maybe color
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Maybe they can save some more bucks on manufacturing by removing the optical out port
...or maybe color
They already saved some bucks by removing 2 USB ports and the memory reader.
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You guys should give credit where it's due and say thanks to Groo.
No BC.
No SACD.
No sale!
Also this thread is getting merged with the other one.
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Jonnyram is Groo? whether he is or not, thanks to both anyway.
and you already have a PS3, silly lyte.
less power consumption is always good.
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Jonnyram is Groo? whether he is or not, thanks to both anyway.
and you already have a PS3, silly lyte.
less power consumption is always good.
I'm a crazy mutherfucka-- I'd be interested in buying a white PS3 down the road, but without BC, forget it. I can live without the card reader and two USB ports, but no BC is just fucking stupid. End of story.
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i'm just going to buy the 60gig version soon. i think i can get one for ±450. i'll probably play nothing on it till uncharted.
i just wanted to wait till mgs4, but damn, they won't last that long. :-\
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The 60gb was available on Sony store for $350 if you applied for their credit card. I would check to see if they still have something like that.
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bud, try NGS if you never played the original (or black).
i played Black for 100 hours and still loved Sigma, though the graphical update wasn't impressive for me, after the first 2 stages everything felt like NG HD.
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bud, try NGS if you never played the original (or black).
i played Black for 100 hours and still loved Sigma, though the graphical update wasn't impressive for me.
after the first 2 stages everything felt like NG HD.
There was also some slowdown for some reason. The graphics really weren't upgraded enough for there to be any slowdown. I wonder if that was because part of the code was just ported from the Xbox version.
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Only noticed the slowdowns in one of the extra missions, where you fight 10 soldiers at a time (max soldiers 100).
what pissed me off more was the screen tearing, shit is not acceptable in a fast action game like this.
as for the graphics, the water and the bloomy skies were the biggest offenders to me.
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There was already slowdown in the 2nd stage in the area with all the horse riders. I noticed the tearing issues you are talking about too. Did the Xbox vesion have tearing problems? I can't reacall since it's been so long. NG:S definitely has some visual issues but it still looks pretty good and I would recommend it to someone who's never played NG on the Xbox.
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Damn...i missed that.
but then again, all i did there was stand still in one place and shoot arrows, so that could explain it.
well, i can't confirm if the original or black had screen tearing since i played it on my 360.
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How good does NG or NG:B run on the 360? I never use my 360 for BC since it's not wireless and I'm too lazy to haul it upstairs to download the BC updates.
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They are fantastic except for one issue: FMVs run kinda slow, which isn't game breaking anyway.
both of them run beautifully @720p, and with the latest BC update, you can run the old nes (or is it arcade?) game just fine.
the BC is about 12mb, burn it on a cd and install away.
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i don't have an xbox, mcdragon, but maybe i'll check it out on the 360 someday if it's bc.
also, that 450 ps3 is gone. sold. i'm just going to wait for the 40gig and just buy it whenever mgs4 comes out unless i find some old lost bargain stock somewhere. btw, i just checked which games i'd actually replay and the only games that i could think of are mgs1, 2 and 3 (+ i wanted them upscaled on my hdtv whenever i get one, and apparently the improvements are nice). i'd replay them a couple of days before mgs4 comes out.
hopefully they do an mgs4 packed-in with a ps3 when it comes out, so i'll only have to pay 20 bucks or so extra.
i'm a part of the problem. sorry, guys. :-\
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"Backwards compatibility, as you know from PlayStation One and PlayStation 2, is a core value of what we believe we should offer. And access to the library of content people have created, bought for themselves, and accumulated over the years is necessary to create a format. PlayStation is a format meaning that it transcends many devices -- PSOne, PS2, and now PS3" - Phil Harrison, Sony, December 2006.
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I think I may get an original Xbox to go with a PS2.
I really wanna play Ninja Gaiden, PGR, PGR2, give Halo a go, and maybe some more.
Ugh, here we go again. Get a 360 and the superior versions of all the games you just mentioned.
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I think I may get an original Xbox to go with a PS2.
I really wanna play Ninja Gaiden, PGR, PGR2, give Halo a go, and maybe some more.
Ugh, here we go again. Get a 360 and the superior versions of all the games you just mentioned.
Yeah. Buying a Xbox 1 to play those games are just dumb. Mcdragon already said that NG is nicely emulated on the 360 and I know both Halo 2 and 2 do as well. Also, PGR4 is so much better than the Xbox games.
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Hey look, a forum that can edit titles in a functional way.
The 60gb was available on Sony store for $350 if you applied for their credit card. I would check to see if they still have something like that.
Anyone know of a deal like this?
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Im just a little bothered by the idea that Sony looked at 360, looked at its pretty laughable BC, and then decided it was ok for them to STRIP a feature from their console. Most of what I USE my PS3 for is PS2 games. I cant IMAGINE what id do with it otherwise right now. Either theyre crazy or they have one ball busting lineup next year that I dont know about.
*I dont care about FF or MGS, what then? lolol :(
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Im just a little bothered by the idea that Sony looked at 360, looked at its pretty laughable BC, and then decided it was ok for them to STRIP a feature from their console. Most of what I USE my PS3 for is PS2 games. I cant IMAGINE what id do with it otherwise right now. Either theyre crazy or they have one ball busting lineup next year that I dont know about.
*I dont care about FF or MGS, what then? lolol :(
In defense of Sony's strategy, someone that only cares about PS2 games probably won't get a PS3 anyway. There're many people that don't have much to do on it other than play PS2 games but I'll guess that the main reason for their purchases was to play new PS3 games. At least, that's why I bought a PS3. I really don't care much about upscaling my PS2 games since they still look pretty bad on a HDTV. I guess the lack of BC is most annying for people that never had PS2, have broken PS2s or don't have enough space.
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i don't have an xbox, mcdragon, but maybe i'll check it out on the 360 someday if it's bc.
Game is emulated pretty nicely, should be dirt cheap as well.
and good luck with your PS3 purchase, i suggest looking for 60 gigs version first, you might find it somewhere for a good price.
if not, 40 gig it is.
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Will Sony offer all three SKUs this holiday season? And are they phasing out BC entirely for all PS3 models in the future?