THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: ParticleReality on January 13, 2008, 06:40:47 AM
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Microsoft's silence at CES could be the start of a tough year for the Xbox.
Success comes in many guises. Most people would agree that 2007 was a successful year for the Xbox 360 - a year when the firm's head-start over rival Sony was used to great effect, and when the console's software line-up was widely considered to be one of the strongest the industry has ever seen.
It was the year in which Halo 3 arrived, was critically acclaimed, and sold around 8 million copies - and perhaps most impressively of all, it was the year when Halo 3 almost seemed buried in an avalanche of superb games, whereas in any previous year it would have stood astride the software landscape like a colossus. It was the year when Xbox Live user figures passed the 10 million mark, and the year when Microsoft registered its second ever profitable quarter for the Xbox division (although it almost certainly slid back into a loss in the following quarter).
A good year, then? Well - maybe. Success is multi-faceted, and it's important to look at it from many angles before you make up your mind and stick a label on something. There are other ways in which 2007 was a terrible year for Microsoft - and in some regards, the company's lacklustre showing at CES in Las Vegas last week may be a hangover from those failings.
A number of problems plagued the Xbox 360 throughout the year. The woes over failing consoles finally reached the point where Microsoft could no longer ignore the system's dismal reliability - forcing it to extend its hardware warranty and set aside a billion-dollar reserve to fund repairs.
It may not have been too little, but it was definitely too late.The mainstream media had already latched onto the idea that the Xbox 360 was badly manufactured and prone to failure - while the hardcore gamers who had been Microsoft's most staunch word-of-mouth warriors suddenly became a liability, as they started talking to friends and forums about being on their third or fourth replacement Xbox 360.
No sooner had that furore died down, than it was replaced by another - the dismal failure of the Xbox Live system to cope with demand over Christmas, which has now extended into the New Year with no fix in sight. Customers paying for a rock-solid online gaming service are getting anything but; once again, Microsoft's ability to design and create amazing products seems to be let down by its ability to deliver quality on an ongoing basis. The problems aren't remotely as serious as the "Red Ring of Death" flaw on the 360 itself, but it's exactly the kind of press the console doesn't need right now.
For hardcore gamers, these are the problems which have put a dampener on enthusiasm for the 360 even in the face of a superb software line-up. Microsoft faces an even bigger problem with the console, however, to which its reliability concerns are only one contributing factor. The problem is this; it's still simply not clear how the company is going to grow its market, and there are strong signs that growth is already slowing down.
Along with plenty of other critics and commentators, I've been pointing out for a long time that the Xbox 360 still doesn't have sufficient appeal outside of the "cars and guns" market - the same 16 to 24 year old consumers who bought the original Xbox. A smattering of Japanese RPGs and, well, Viva Pinata, does not amount to a mass-market strategy that will finally unseat the PlayStation.
The proof of this unappetising pudding? Quick dinner-napkin calculations based on Microsoft's own estimates show that in 2007, the firm shipped fewer Xbox 360 consoles than it did in 2006. It's not a huge difference - but that's not what the growth curve is meant to look like, especially not when there's such an acclaimed line-up of software on offer.
How does all of this translate to the near-absence of Xbox from the firm's keynote at CES? Quite simply, there's a feeling that right now, Microsoft's Xbox division is looking long and hard at where it stands in the market - and how it breaks out of its current position to become a credible market leader. Despite a strong start and a loyal fanbase, it is assailed with challenges that will be difficult to overcome.
On one hand, it needs to learn how to appeal to the mass market - something which doesn't seem to come naturally to the product or the company. On the software front, Microsoft seemingly remains convinced that there is a single "mass market" which can be attracted by building a handful of games in key areas. The reality is very different; the "mass market" is merely a collection of a huge number of niches, and it's this vast diaspora of tastes which Sony has been excellent at providing for.
The PlayStation consoles have played host to a bewildering variety of software for different gaming tastes, and that's why they achieved mass market success - simply funding a few JRPGs and deliberately "quirky" titles isn't going to emulate this. An overhaul of how Microsoft approaches software development for its platforms as a whole may be required to nurture that kind of game library.
On the other hand, perhaps an even more daunting challenge is keeping the faithful satisfied in 2008. Going into 2007, the Xbox 360 release list looked absolutely stunning - whereas the 2008 schedule at this point in time looks comparatively barren. If Microsoft wants to maintain its momentum, let alone building new momentum, it needs to repeat the software success of 2007 - and it needs to do it without Bioware and Bizarre, both of which developed key Xbox 360 exclusives in the past but now belong to multi-platform publishers. It also needs to do it without Bungie; not only now an independent studio (albeit still likely to work on 360 exclusives), but also highly unlikely to have another game ready until 2009.
None of this is insurmountable, but it's certainly not going to be an easy ride either. Microsoft has done an absolutely amazing job in some regards - its hardware, despite launching a year earlier than the PS3, has held its own extremely well in terms of technical prowess, and its online service continues to be the benchmark for the whole industry. In terms of software, the late 2007 line-up is arguably one of the best the market has ever seen, fuelling an incredibly strong quarter for the industry as a whole.
Continuing that success, however, won't happen just through sitting on a sack full of laurels. In 2008, Microsoft's challenges will be greater than ever before. The Wii is trouncing the Xbox 360 in the casual market; the PS3 is keeping pace with it in week to week sales, despite acres of negative press, and at present has a more appealing 2008 line-up. Reliability problems just won't go away, the mass-market remains just as elusive as it's ever been, and key developers have been lost to third-party publishers. Nobody could describe a division that's just had such a brilliant couple of quarters as being in crisis - but when Microsoft finally breaks the silence that we witnessed at CES, it had better have some great responses to the challenges 2008 brings.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=32020 (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=32020)
This part kills me the most:
Xbox 360 still doesn't have sufficient appeal outside of the "cars and guns" market - the same 16 to 24 year old consumers who bought the original Xbox. A smattering of Japanese RPGs and, well, Viva Pinata, does not amount to a mass-market strategy that will finally unseat the PlayStation.
What are the PS3's top games of the year again?
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What are the PS3's top games of the year again?
cars and guns.
RIP PS3
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doom and gloom
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I suppose they could grow their market by continuing to sell millions of consoles and games. It's crazy but it just might work.
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that gaf thread is ridiculous. thankfully it's full of REAL TALK in the form of himumu x.
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seems about right
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ahh gaming journalism lol
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2008 is the year of 360 backlash in both the mainstream and casual/fan gaming press, i'm already picking up on the trend in the podcasts i've listened to and the articles i've read so far this year
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lol
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ahh gaming journalism lol
This pretty much says everything.
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I mostly agree with the article, that's all I will say.
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I mostly agree with the article, that's all I will say.
oh get out of here
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Where are all the people who spent all of last year whining about how the press picks on the flaws of the big dog?
Where's calcifer owning up to his ownage in the Uncharted/Gears thread?
It still amuses me that this PS3/360 2008 talking point has legs. Don't people remember when 2007 was supposed to be the year of PS3? When Halo was going to prove itself to be a last-gen phenom that couldn't move consoles, and PS3 had this killer lineup that no one wound up giving a shit about outside of Uncharted? shrug
If PS3 has more than 2 or 3 games to buy this year it'll blow away 2007, I look forward to that. This grade school 360 backlash is just so silly to me.
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AN EYE FOR AN EYE
WE'LL KICK YOU TO THE FUCKING GROUND MOTHERFUCKER!!!
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The difference is the PS3 actually was performing poorly in 2007. No one had to drum it up and keep repeating it in an attempt to get the idea to catch on, it was plain to see.
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The difference is the PS3 actually was performing poorly in 2007. No one had to drum it up and keep repeating it in an attempt to get the idea to catch on, it was plain to see.
so will the 360
enjoy your dec npds... will be the last time you see 360 doing that kind of figures ever again
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Who's talking about sales?
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Who's talking about sales?
you are
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seriously, who gives a fuck about sales, let's see the actual fucking games and not a bunch of projected release dates
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Who's talking about sales?
you are
No I'm not distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. I'm talking about how PS3's 2007 lineup (at the end of 2006 and start of 2007) was supposed to be loaded with killer apps that were going to PROVE THE TANGIBLE DIFFERENCE and shit all over Halo 3 and... what else is there on 360?
I mean, with games like
Motorstorm - decent
F1 - what's that again?
NG:Black - the port that time forgot
Heavenly Sword - Perfect $20 title
Lair - oops time to backpedal
Ratchet - finally, a game to play
Uncharted - Arguably, a game to play
LBP - oops
Home - oops
And whatever else I'm forgetting. Sony fans of 2006 were touting 2007 as a banner year before all the games were delayed or turned out to be generic, forgettable, or shit. Sony wound up squeaking out 2 (3?) good games after all the hubbub.
Now it's time to look to the future again for a reason to own the damn thing, cross your fingers! Meanwhile, 360 owners have a backlog right now.
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Who's talking about sales?
you are
No I'm not distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. I'm talking about how PS3's 2007 lineup (at the end of 2006 and start of 2007) was supposed to be loaded with killer apps that were going to PROVE THE TANGIBLE DIFFERENCE and shit all over Halo 3 and... what else is there on 360?
I mean, with games like
Motorstorm - decent
F1 - what's that again?
NG:Black - the port that time forgot
Heavenly Sword - Perfect $20 title
Lair - oops time to backpedal
Ratchet - finally, a game to play
Uncharted - Arguably, a game to play
LBP - oops
Home - oops
And whatever else I'm forgetting. Sony fans of 2006 were touting 2007 as a banner year before all the games were delayed or turned out to be generic, forgettable, or shit. Sony wound up squeaking out 2 (3?) good games after all the hubbub.
Now it's time to look to the future again for a reason to own the damn thing, cross your fingers! Meanwhile, 360 owners have a backlog right now.
You forgot the likes of Warhawk, Tekken 5 Dark Resurrection Online, and Virtua Fighter 5. And looking at those, Warhawk feels like an "incomplete" game, TK5 DR is great, but lacks all the modes and features of the PSP port, plus the online play is wonky, and VF5 was based on version B of the game and killed by the superior 360 version.
There's also some sports games like Sony's MLB game that I heard were awesome. Plus you're forgetting multi-platform titles like Call Of Duty 4, Orange Box, Assassin's Creed, Unreal Tournament III, Dynasty Warriors Gundam, and more. There's a number of games that got released on both consoles that people with both or favoring 360 just tend to forget about, and I think that's the biggest problem among fanboy internet debates.
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speaking of multiplatform titles, i just found out burnout on ps3 doesn't support custom soundtracks
now i don't know if i want to buy it on ps3, and that was the plan
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speaking of multiplatform titles, i just found out burnout on ps3 doesn't support custom soundtracks
now i don't know if i want to buy it on ps3, and that was the plan
Do any PS3 games have custom soundtrack support yet? :-\
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i dunno, but they need to iron that shit out, especially with racing games
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CES IS NOT A GAMING CONVENTION fegs
Sony HAS to show their hand because they're in dead last. Outside of Fable 2 and MGS4 we don't know much about the 360's lineup but guess what - E3 ISN'T HERE YET
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Hey, guess what? Here's a 2008 rundown
360 titles I want to play: Fable 2 (maybe, I found the first game very disappointing)
PS3 titles I want to play: MGS4, Infamous, Killzone 2, Resistance 2, (looks fucking better than Halo 3 ever thought of being, I'm not fucking kidding you)
Hey, 360 had a great year, but what the fuck's coming out for it this year? Plus, it's almost like Microsoft thinks they've already won. They are selling off all of their first party studios (like Bungie) that basically made Xbox 1 a success, and hell, this system a success.
One thing is for sure, 360 needs GoW2 (even though Gears of War the original was one of the most overrated gaming experiences EVER) and Mass Effect 2 bad. This is the year the PS3 quits being an embarrasment and actually puts up. Now, I'm not saying something distinguished mentally-challenged like PS3 is going to pass it up, but they are sure as hell going to gain ground on Microsoft this year. By December, we will be looking at Nintendo still in the lead, followed by Microsoft and Sony, but those numbers Microsoft numbers and Sony numbers are going to be a lot closer than they are this year.
The bad thing about Microsoft and Sony, though, is that they actually need killer app type games in order to compete with Nintendo. The sad thing is, Nintendo can have a lineup of Flash type games you can get off the internet with maybe 1-2 total hours of gameplay and no replay value and still lead because it's the fad of the time.
Mark my words though, and I'm waiting for the Sfag accusations after this post, but Sony's going to gain significant ground this year. And hell, Home isn't going to hurt it either, considering anything is better than their current online setup.
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Metal Gear Solid 4 is multiplatform and you listed two mediocre first-person shooters. Nintendo is not even in the same market, Bloodwake. When I get my PS3, I'm getting it for Blu-Ray. It has no games.
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MGS4 is going to be at least a six month exclusive, which pushes it into 2009 for 360 and out of this conversation.
And KZ2 may be mediocre, but R2 will not be.
That said, on 360 I'm looking forward to Alan Wake, Banjo, Fable, and Ninja Gaiden. And maybe some other ones I can't remember.
PS3 should have a good year. It'll make up a little ground worldwide, I bet. Hopefully it continues to sell well in Japan. Japanese third parties are going to be absolutely fucked if the PS3 doesn't at least sell to some level of respectability, and if that's impossible, they're done for. The third party scene in Japan is sooo fucked up right now.
"it has no games" lol
Reports of the 360's "demise" are incredibly bizarre. I'd say its garbage spewed by AltogetherAndrews but now there are actual sites reporting it.
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We have no idea what the timed exclusive deal on Metal Gear Solid 4 is - I have no doubt it'll be on the PS3 first, but c'mon, Konami likes money more than fanboys.
At any rate, it's early, there's a ton of crap not on our radars that won't be 'till E3 hits and Christmas holiday shopping season. Very few folks were citing BioShock as a must-buy this time last year and now that's a huge franchise for Microsoft. Neither Sony or Microsoft have positioned themselves in 2008, and that's because it's still early. For now, we get decent multiplatform releases and LOST ODDYSEY.
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We have no idea what the timed exclusive deal on Metal Gear Solid 4 is - I have no doubt it'll be on the PS3 first, but c'mon, Konami likes money more than fanboys.
which is why sony payed all the money already
if sony hadnt secured it as a true exclusive a 360 version would've been announced ages ago
but even so your post doesnt make any sense... mgs sold like shit on xbox... mgs4 would've been lucky to do viva pinata numbers on 360
Very few folks were citing BioShock as a must-buy this time last year and now that's a huge franchise for Microsoft.
for 2k you mean? ms got nothing to do with bioshock other than paying for time exclusivity
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We have no idea what the timed exclusive deal on Metal Gear Solid 4 is - I have no doubt it'll be on the PS3 first, but c'mon, Konami likes money more than fanboys.
At any rate, it's early, there's a ton of crap not on our radars that won't be 'till E3 hits and Christmas holiday shopping season. Very few folks were citing BioShock as a must-buy this time last year and now that's a huge franchise for Microsoft. Neither Sony or Microsoft have positioned themselves in 2008, and that's because it's still early. For now, we get decent multiplatform releases and LOST ODDYSEY.
I love how you even have to debate the logistics of this unconfirmed shit. In what scenario would you ever have to doubt it would be on PS3 first, or even bring it up? Sony's been calling it an exclusive since E3. It's an obvious timed exclusive with co-marketing agreement. I don't even believe it'll be out until Christmas anyway.
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But we don't know when it'll even be out - that's my point. Who knows if it will be this year or next? You're debating uncomfirmed release dates, even!
calcifier... There's already a sequel/prequel for BioShock in production, and Microsoft and 2K are in bed in terms of that franchise. Sorry, dude. :P
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But we don't know when it'll even be out - that's my point. Who knows if it will be this year or next? You're debating uncomfirmed release dates, even!
calcifier... There's already a sequel/prequel for BioShock in production, and Microsoft and 2K are in bed in terms of that franchise. Sorry, dude. :P
You don't know when it'll be out, but you know enough to say it's multiplatform and expect it to mean something in the context of 2008.
You know exactly what the problem is with being glib and dismissive like that.
Might as well go down both company's release lists and shit all over them for the sake of being argumentative.
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It's multiplatform, so if it's going to be cited as a must-buy title for PS3, I fail to see the logic if it'll also be available on the Xbox 360 in due time. You apparently know enough that it won't mean something in context of 2008? That seems kind of absurd.
Really, right now, KillZone 2 is the best release the PS3 has going for it and that's not saying much - the first one wasn't great. I have no doubt it'll be eye candy, though. Resistance 2 is laughable.
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calcifier... There's already a sequel/prequel for BioShock in production, and Microsoft and 2K are in bed in terms of that franchise. Sorry, dude. :P
bioshock will get a ps3 port this year
you seem to be a bitter xfatty thinking 360 will automatically keep everything exclusive put ps3 cant keep anything
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bioshock will get a ps3 port this year
:lol
Maybe after the prequel to BioShock hits or nobody cares about it, like Lost Planet.
you seem to be a bitter xfatty thinking 360 will automatically keep everything exclusive put ps3 cant keep anything
Not really. I hope PS3 owners get to play BioShock - it's a pretty awesome title. But 2K and Microsoft are in bed in regards to the series, so the PS3 is an afterthought. Especially considering how it's been a pain in the ass for developers to get the UE running on the hardware and the limited returns they see on such an effort.
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It's multiplatform, so if it's going to be cited as a must-buy title for PS3, I fail to see the logic if it'll also be available on the Xbox 360 in due time. You apparently know enough that it won't mean something in context of 2008? That seems kind of absurd.
Are you really questioning the positive effect of timed exclusives? The hardcore that want to play MGS4 are going to go and buy a PS3 to play it. It has a much larger impact upon its first release. It'll be "must-buy" on 360 as well, except that a large segment of the people who "must buy" it will already have done so.
And yes, we do know what kind of deal they have-- evidenced by their E3 conference and the ads they have been running for MGS4.
Really, right now, KillZone 2 is the best release the PS3 has going for it and that's not saying much - the first one wasn't great. I have no doubt it'll be eye candy, though. Resistance 2 is laughable.
Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.
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its funny seeing how desperate the xfagss are becoming. they're even including mgs4 in their lineup, despite sony confidently stating a million times the game is exclusive. they even had a huge banner at ces proclaiming it as exclusive. you can bet your ass sony has paid through the teeth to make it so. so yeah you xfags go ahead and delude yourselves into thinking its coming.
hey it might turn up 1 year after the ps3 version but lets face it who a gives a fuck then :lol
the truth of the matter is the 360 exclusive lineup is very very shitty, now the xbots are forced to play the ''wait for event x'' :lol
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But 2K and Microsoft are in bed in regards to the series
not really
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Are you really questioning the positive effect of timed exclusives? The hardcore that want to play MGS4 are going to go and buy a PS3 to play it. It has a much larger impact upon its first release. It'll be "must-buy" on 360 as well, except that a large segment of the people who "must buy" it will already have done so.
Dude, you're arguing with yourself. I'm not saying that the timed exclusive won't be beneficial for Sony, but we're talking about the lack of games in regards to the Xbox 360 future release schedule. And I'm saying MGS4 will obviously be released on the 360. Quit being butthurt.
And yes, we do know what kind of deal they have-- evidenced by their E3 conference and the ads they have been running for MGS4.
They have a timed exlusive deal, but we don't even know for how long or anything.
Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.
Resistance was mediocre. KillZone was mediocre. Why are we expecting the sequels to be better? I don't understand this.
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not really
Microsoft didn't spend the moneys to lock up BioShock exclusivity and isn't rewarding 2K with moneys in regards to the sequel/prequel production? Are you kidding?
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Yeah Willco, whatever.
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willco the insider
tell us more oh mighty one
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is it time for teh backlash! I musta missed it playing my 1 PS3 game after all this time ive owned it. Oh well at least I have bluray.
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willco the insider
In regards to what? That Microsoft spent money to lock up BioShock or the sequel/prequel are in production? Both are well-known and Google reveals all!
Dude, y2kev, I don't understand your grief at me slighting KillZone and Resistance. Both are games that are generally regarded by the press, gamers and everybody as exceptionally average. Are there any GOTY lists that had either title on them or anything? I don't understand the hype for a sequel to either - it just screams of desperation to play anything worthwhile on a system that has been a vacuum for content. I get it. I used to own a N64. I know what it's like.
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cars and guns :lol
360 has ninja gaiden 2 in 08', which means they can shut the fuck up now.
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willco the insider
In regards to what? That Microsoft spent money to lock up BioShock or the sequel/prequel are in production? Both are well-known and Google reveals all!
Dude, y2kev, I don't understand your grief at me slighting KillZone and Resistance. Both are games that are generally regarded by the press, gamers and everybody as exceptionally average. Are there any GOTY lists that had either title on them or anything? I don't understand the hype for a sequel to either - it just screams of desperation to play anything worthwhile on a system that has been a vacuum for content. I get it. I used to own a N64. I know what it's like.
No, they don't. WTF. Resistance averages near a 9 on gamerankings. This is average to you? And as for the gamers, it's like the only successful PS3 game. Who is calling it average other than EvilBore?
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It was also like, the only playable decent launch title. And I think we can both agree that launch game scores are usually inflated. I mean, both are decent bargain titles - neither are exceptional.
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No, I am not going to agree with you. I'd argue the press was particularly fair with Resistance, and its multiplayer appeal was even discounted-- it is one of the most vibrant online communities online today with dedicated servers and fully featured matchmaking. We're considering Eurogamer even revised their score DOWN a point in a re-review, right? Resistance was not reviewed with kid gloves.
I'm not going to continue butting heads over this. It's an absolutely pointless conversation.
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for me:
360 has: lost odyssey, alan wake, ninja gaiden 2, fable 2, culdcept saga, infinite undiscovery.
ps3 has: infamous, echochrome, wipeout hd, valkyrie of the battlefield.
To be honest, my most anticipated games this year are multiconsole: GTAIV, DMC4, Brutal Legend, Heavy Rain. Either that, or on portables, amazingly enough. I didn't think I'd ever say that ever.
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Heavy Rain is exclusive.
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I thought it was mutliconsole. Oh well, add another ps3 game to the list!
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was there any gaming announcements at ces? if so i've missed them
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CES isnt for gaming companies, the closest you'll get are videocard companies. Its fucking DUMB to assume ANY Company will show anything of note at one of these.
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on top of that, ms is aping nintendo's marketing strategy of not releasing info about games in development until roughly 3-4 months before release these days. when the 2008 lineup gets announced, it will be at individual ms events, NOT at a largely unrelated trade show.
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bobobobo MGS4! SONY IS BACK! WOOOO! RITE?! HAY GUYZ!
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seems 360 is headed for its second consecutive year of declining software quality and hardware shipments
if only microsoft could somehow trade smug fans for exclusive games
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i think all the systems/corporations have their smug fans
which is simultaneously hilarious and creepy
none of these businesses love you
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Xbox 360 isn't going anywhere.
The 360 backlash is mostly due to the Warner announcement. Now PS3 is this viable machine and 360 sales are going to grind to zero. I don't know how many systems with several multi-million selling titles whose sales dropped to almost nothing. If this happens to 360, this will be a first. Especially with probably 2 million systems sold in the US the past two months, yeah, the Xbox 360 is doomed alright ::)
With the Warner announcement, now all the butthurt Sony fans are coming out of the woodwork and flaming the 360 as hard as they can. This is the first time that Sony actually has something over Microsoft and they are unleashing their hatred as hard and as often as possible. Hence all this negative press.
If Kane and Lynch meant anything, gaming journalism plays a minuscule role in the scheme of gaming. Xbox 360 will keep on selling well, with several multi-million sellers for 2008. Shit isn't changing any time soon for Microsoft.
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Its mostly PS3 owner wishful thinking. I own a ps3 but im at peace with my bad purchase. Ill buy Disgaea 3 and MLB 08 The Show when the come out, other than that..SNORE PS3
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willco the insider
In regards to what? That Microsoft spent money to lock up BioShock or the sequel/prequel are in production? Both are well-known and Google reveals all!
Dude, y2kev, I don't understand your grief at me slighting KillZone and Resistance. Both are games that are generally regarded by the press, gamers and everybody as exceptionally average. Are there any GOTY lists that had either title on them or anything? I don't understand the hype for a sequel to either - it just screams of desperation to play anything worthwhile on a system that has been a vacuum for content. I get it. I used to own a N64. I know what it's like.
No, they don't. WTF. Resistance averages near a 9 on gamerankings. This is average to you? And as for the gamers, it's like the only successful PS3 game. Who is calling it average other than EvilBore?
Resistance's 86.6 on gamerankings won't even place it in the top 50 shooters of all time. That's pretty average. Aside from GAF, I know few people that really give a crap about Resistance. All of my gaming cousins are Sfags (unfortunately) and they all prefer COD4. If Resistance was a multiplatform game, I doubt most Sony fans on the internet would give a crap about it.
No, I am not going to agree with you. I'd argue the press was particularly fair with Resistance, and its multiplayer appeal was even discounted-- it is one of the most vibrant online communities online today with dedicated servers and fully featured matchmaking. We're considering Eurogamer even revised their score DOWN a point in a re-review, right? Resistance was not reviewed with kid gloves.
I'm not going to continue butting heads over this. It's an absolutely pointless conversation.
The press weren't the only ones that didn't think much of Resistance. Insomniac's peers didn't even nominate Resistance for anything at GDC.
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seems 360 is headed for its second consecutive year of declining software quality and hardware shipments
if only microsoft could somehow trade smug fans for exclusive games
You actually thought that the 360's 2nd year was worse than the 1st year?
Graw and Gears of War were the only big impact 360 titles that I can remember from year 1.
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Dead Rising was pretty big and COD2 was the best launch title for 360.
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Oops, can't believe I forgot about Dead Rising. I still think it's one of the top 5 360 games. I've never tried COD2 on the 360 although I've heard that it's better optimized than the PC version.
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i'll take rr6, oblivion, chromehounds, dead rising, and gears over anything 360 had in 07, though i might be alone on that. i think 360's recent lineup is way overrated -- bioshock, mass effect, assassin's creed, cod4, and halo 3 are all problematic. to say the least.
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you are alone my friend, so terribly alone
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Dead Rising is the best game for 360
and the OP article, WTF
obviously paid for by Sony
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07 was one of my favorite years of gaming in a while all around, and PS3 was NOT a reason for it.
PSP on the other hand was.
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Lost Planet is 2007 and i recall you liking it, drohne.
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How, on what planet, does 87% make a game average? You are considering ALL shooters and Resistance's placement on that grand list and then you make that judgement?
Do you know what an "average" is?
I don't accept your first premise-- the press DID think something of Resistance. How in the world do you see the review scores it got and assign that as "didn't think much of it"? Just say you didn't like the game and move on. I'd totally accept that.
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yeah, i thought 360 started 2007 really well, with lost planet, armored core 4, senkou no ronde, and edf. circa march or april i was thinking '360 is the new ps2'...but then it had a huge drought, and it's yet to really fulfill that promise of ps2esque variety
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Dead Rising is the best game for 360
:bow
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Armored Core 4? srsly? hah
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my dodgy mech game is less embarrassing than your dodgy mech game
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I think Gears is probably still my favorite 360 game.
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Tech Romancer > AC4!
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How, on what planet, does 87% make a game average? You are considering ALL shooters and Resistance's placement on that grand list and then you make that judgement?
Do you know what an "average" is?
I don't accept your first premise-- the press DID think something of Resistance. How in the world do you see the review scores it got and assign that "average"? Just say you didn't like the game and move on. I'd totally accept that.
I guess I mean average game that I would play. I don't usually bother with games that will most likely be crap like Blacksite or the new Soldier of Fortune. Regardless, neither the media nor other developers thought highly enough of Resistance to nominate it for any awards. Which is why I agree with Wilco that the hype for the sequel is entirely out of proportion.
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i was thinking of gundam musou, but tech romancer sucked too
from software :bow
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Oh man, youre swinging for the fences today buddy!
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I don't think a MS console will ever be the platform of choice for non-mainstream Japanese titles.
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How, on what planet, does 87% make a game average? You are considering ALL shooters and Resistance's placement on that grand list and then you make that judgement?
Do you know what an "average" is?
I don't accept your first premise-- the press DID think something of Resistance. How in the world do you see the review scores it got and assign that "average"? Just say you didn't like the game and move on. I'd totally accept that.
I guess I mean average game that I would play. I don't usually bother with games that will most likely be crap like Blacksite or the new Soldier of Fortune. Regardless, neither the media nor other developers thought highly enough of Resistance to nominate it for any awards. Which is why I agree with Wilco that the hype for the sequel is entirely out of proportion.
First of all, you've set up a false dichotomy. Because something does not get "awards" does not make it an average game. Very few games receive awards. On top of that, most of them are lol-worthy anyway. Furthermore, Resistance did receive some awards as listed on its Wikipedia page.
See, Blacksite and Soldier of Fortune are games that are literally receiving average scores-- that is, 4s and 5s. Not high 8s and low 9s.
I'm not going to comment on why "hype" bubbles or what have you, people get hyped for things for whatever reason they want. But if you want to understand, it probably has something to do with selling lots of copies and being a well received game.
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then how come 360 has lots of not main stream japanese titles coming out in the future
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Dead Rising is the best game for 360
:bow
:lol
I can't believe I actually agree with Himuro.
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I don't think a MS console will ever be the platform of choice for non-mainstream Japanese titles.
not really.
From Software are developing unannounced game for 360 as far as i know, and they already developed Enchanted Arms, Tenchu Z and AC4 + the upcoming AC expansion, AC Answer.
and you have Mistwalker games, Namco's Eternal Sonata and the upcoming Tales game and Cavia (Bullet Witch and some animu mecha game)
also senkou no ronde, N3, KUF:COD, EDF and a lot of good XBLA Japanese support.
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How, on what planet, does 87% make a game average? You are considering ALL shooters and Resistance's placement on that grand list and then you make that judgement?
Do you know what an "average" is?
I don't accept your first premise-- the press DID think something of Resistance. How in the world do you see the review scores it got and assign that "average"? Just say you didn't like the game and move on. I'd totally accept that.
I guess I mean average game that I would play. I don't usually bother with games that will most likely be crap like Blacksite or the new Soldier of Fortune. Regardless, neither the media nor other developers thought highly enough of Resistance to nominate it for any awards. Which is why I agree with Wilco that the hype for the sequel is entirely out of proportion.
First of all, you've set up a false dichotomy. Because something does not get "awards" does not make it an average game. Very few games receive awards. On top of that, most of them are lol-worthy anyway. Furthermore, Resistance did receive some awards as listed on its Wikipedia page.
See, Blacksite and Soldier of Fortune are games that are literally receiving average scores-- that is, 4s and 5s. Not high 8s and low 9s.
I'm not going to comment on why "hype" bubbles or what have you, people get hyped for things for whatever reason they want. But if you want to understand, it probably has something to do with selling lots of copies and being a well received game.
Didn't I already say that it's average by my standards because I don't play many crap games?
Besides, mostly high 8s and low 9s don't equate to a 86.6. Resistance got as many 7s and 8s as it got 9s. Resistance's review scores are far from impressive, to say the least.
I brought up the point about awards to refute the notion that Resistance is considered a top tier FPS. The fact that Resistance was hardly nominated for any non-platform specific awards is telling of how it wasn't really considered AAA.
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I'm convinced you are doing this to get my blood pressure up.
Besides, mostly high 8s and low 9s don't equate to a 86.6. Resistance got as many 7s and 8s as it got 9s. Resistance's review scores are far from impressive, to say the least.
At least do the research!
7s - 8 reviews
8s - 28 reviews
9s - 37 reviews
Apparently your notion of crap ends at 86.6% and everything above = great.
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I'm convinced you are doing this to get my blood pressure up.
Besides, mostly high 8s and low 9s don't equate to a 86.6. Resistance got as many 7s and 8s as it got 9s. Resistance's review scores are far from impressive, to say the least.
At least do the research!
7s - 8 reviews
8s - 28 reviews
9s - 37 reviews
Apparently your notion of crap ends at 86.6% and everything above = great.
You said "high 8s". Many of those 8s are just 8s. I've never said that Resistance is crap. Like I said, I consider it average among the shooters that I've played. I've always made it clear that I rarely bother with any games that don't get at least averages of 80% in reviews.
We keep arguing over what is average but can you at least agree that Resistance is not considered one of the top shooters by the majority of the gaming world?
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Right after Turok 2: seeds of evil.
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where did all these sbots come from
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Its part of any backlash. People only like things to tear them down.
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seems 360 is headed for its second consecutive year of declining software quality and hardware shipments
if only microsoft could somehow trade smug fans for exclusive games
You actually thought that the 360's 2nd year was worse than the 1st year?
Graw and Gears of War were the only big impact 360 titles that I can remember from year 1.
:lol :lol :lol :lol
oblivion, dead rising, gears > whatever tripe was released in 07
where did all these sbots come from
you seem offended
maybe you're better off just sucking dick over at teamxbox forums
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no thanks cuntface
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no thanks cuntface
your moms got a cunt.. ON HER FACE
cocknosejizzerbabyrapist
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There have never been any real announcements for the gaming market at CES. I think GDC had the Home announcement (big whoop?) but that's in 1 month. Not trolling, but Sony is announcing stuff too early.
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From Software is working on.. CHROMEHOUNDS 2:D
(i wish)
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i've never played ch...is it worthwhile now or is it just multiplayer dependent (which im sure is barren and saggy)?
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you fuck... :(
i've never played ch...is it worthwhile now or is it just multiplayer dependent (which im sure is barren and saggy)?
awesome. get. still good. both parts. MP centric though (people still play).
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ch's campaign is totally worthless, but it's the best multiplayer console game ever -- if you can find a good, active squad. i think the gaf squads are dead, but you might check out the official forums or something.
edit: actually chromehounds multi is also fun solo and in random pickup games, though you need a coordinated squad to have the full experience
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We (aka Che's GAF Brigade) were playing Chromehounds again late last summer. For about all of August to be exact. Is was actually a whole hell of a lot better that time around 'cause Sega/From fixed the balancing issues (the end of the double double douche bags!) and no m0dus or Che. At it's peak last summer we had 12 regulars a night with some stragglers here and there. It was sweet. But as soon as all the big games started to drop, so did the players. I still play other games with the core of that group though....*sniff*....good times.
Goddamn Chromehounds rocked. You should've jumped in again drohne.
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GOW2 better be a significant upgrade from the first one in terms of graphics and gameplay; the game won't be able to get away with a "sequel in HD" type upgrade a la Halo 3.
Fable, MGS4, GOW2. If people think those are the only big guns MS has they're stupid. Same with Nintendo: outside of another Mario Kart we don't know much about 2008, but only a FOOL would just jump to the conclusion that Nintendo has nothing up its sleeve.
The 360 is the king of FPS on consoles, and while the PS3 is about to get two pretty (albeit mediocre) sequels to FPS franchises, I'd GUESS that there's something up MS's sleeve as well
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PS3 spends 2 years sucking, and people lap it up cause a trade show that doesnt advertise games doesnt have new 360 news? LAWLZ
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SONYGAF WANTS TO BEEELLIIIEEEEEVVE
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actually nm
edit: too late lol
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GOW2 better be a significant upgrade from the first one in terms of graphics and gameplay; the game won't be able to get away with a "sequel in HD" type upgrade a la Halo 3.
you really dont know what youre talking about do you? GoW is one of the best looking next-gen games you douche
get back to wanking over your fantasy of Tom hanks sucking off Taleb Kwalie (sic, on purpose)
Go wipe your vagina, you're getting bitchy
GOW looks awesome, but there will have to be some improvements like any other sequel. Outside of Halo 3 of course
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i couldn't get back into chromehounds after the last patch -- it killed the stability on my old hounds, and i didn't want to get into the whole process of building and testing new ones
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GOW2 needs a longer campaign, 4 coop and better bosses.
a good netcode is a must too.
on the graphics side, i remember Epic saying they didn't use all UE3 features or something like that and they recently improved their engine lighting (i think):
http://www.beyond3d.com/content/news/546
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PD is a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.
just ban him from the gaming forum. at least until GDC.
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wow this really is a xbox fagdump
gow = god of war
gears = gears of war
get it right feggits
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i like how you call this an xbot fan dumb when we're all WANKING over the psp and glorious ps2 at the same time as the 360. Are you REALLY that dense? We're not xbots; we're GAMEbots. We care about the GAMES.
Take your stupid console war bullshit back to gaf or opa or whatever, I don't care. No one likes you.
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how convinent
ps3 has good games too so why the hate? oh thats right because your xbots
and if you liked psp you would buy games for it which you clearly are not
so stfu and send me some more love pms, honeycup
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I have played or at least tried out most of the noteworthy ps3 games at my cousins house:
the only good ps3 games that are exclusive is super stardust hd and everyday shooter
ps3 has good lookin games on the way, don't get me wrong, which is why i want one. but the games currently out for it are pathetic.
"and if you liked psp you would buy games for it which you clearly are not"
what?
the only person here who pirates psp games is demi
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from metacritic
ratchet 88
uncharted 88
sigma 88
resistance 86
ut3 86
everyday shooter 85
motorstorm 84
warhawk 84
singstar 84
hsg5 82
etc
and if you're such a HUGE gamebot you could probably enjoy games in the 7.5+ range as well
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PS3 has good 'game'
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I'm interested in UT3 for the user mods, but not $60 interested
I keep meaning to pick up motorstorm since you can get it pretty cheap nowadays
The only thing stopping me from picking up Warhawk is that there might not be a lot of people left playing now, maybe if they do a low-priced bundle with the new DLC included
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ratchet 88 - same thing as past games. zzz.
uncharted 88 - I played a bit of it, at least 2-3 hours over xmas break, and I wasn't impressed.
sigma 88 - I own 2 versions of NG already. why would anyone want another version?
resistance 86 - haven't played this
ut3 86 - why would i want ut on consoles
everyday shooter 85 - owns
motorstorm 84 - lol average
warhawk 84 - this looks meh
singstar 84 - i'd rather get rock band
hsg5 82 - this isn't even out in america yet get your head out of yer ass
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PS3 does have a good version of Oblivion! I'll give it that.
Honestly, the only games that really impressed me so on the system so far have been Uncharted (awesome) and Everyday Shooter. I've literally played everything available outside of a good chunk of the multiplatform stuff and been left shrugging my shoulders at what the hell everyone has gotten so excited about. I love the system itself though with its functionality and how quiet it is but as far as games are concerned.....yeah, I'm not a believer.
lol...I think it was last week on GAF that people were actually arguing that the PS3's first year was better software wise than the PS2's. Those people have really drank the Kool-Aid.
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To be fair PS3 is an excellent Bluray player and is home to the best Baseball game ever MLB 07 The Show. 08 looks awesome :D
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Who's talking about sales?
you are
No I'm not distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. I'm talking about how PS3's 2007 lineup (at the end of 2006 and start of 2007) was supposed to be loaded with killer apps that were going to PROVE THE TANGIBLE DIFFERENCE and shit all over Halo 3 and... what else is there on 360?
I mean, with games like
Motorstorm - decent
F1 - what's that again?
NG:Black - the port that time forgot
Heavenly Sword - Perfect $20 title
Lair - oops time to backpedal
Ratchet - finally, a game to play
Uncharted - Arguably, a game to play
LBP - oops
Home - oops
And whatever else I'm forgetting. Sony fans of 2006 were touting 2007 as a banner year before all the games were delayed or turned out to be generic, forgettable, or shit. Sony wound up squeaking out 2 (3?) good games after all the hubbub.
Now it's time to look to the future again for a reason to own the damn thing, cross your fingers! Meanwhile, 360 owners have a backlog right now.
You forgot the likes of Warhawk, Tekken 5 Dark Resurrection Online, and Virtua Fighter 5. And looking at those, Warhawk feels like an "incomplete" game, TK5 DR is great, but lacks all the modes and features of the PSP port, plus the online play is wonky, and VF5 was based on version B of the game and killed by the superior 360 version.
There's also some sports games like Sony's MLB game that I heard were awesome. Plus you're forgetting multi-platform titles like Call Of Duty 4, Orange Box, Assassin's Creed, Unreal Tournament III, Dynasty Warriors Gundam, and more. There's a number of games that got released on both consoles that people with both or favoring 360 just tend to forget about, and I think that's the biggest problem among fanboy internet debates.
Three things:
-The point is discussing games that were supposed to make PS3 the must-have console of 2007 (and now 2008), games on other consoles don't matter
-Real gamers had 360 already and don't care about all that
-Almost every single multiplat game is better on 360, including them only makes PS3 look worse
edit: Holy shit I did not realize this was 3 pages now lol
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Lets just hope Nintendo has a good showing at Cannes or else ITS ALL OVER
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did someone leave the gaf floodgates open? this thread is bizarro land.
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lol...I think it was last week on GAF that people were actually arguing that the PS3's first year was better software wise than the PS2's. Those people have really drank the Kool-Aid.
Sounds like desperation to me. If you buy a $600 system and a bunch of good-but-not great games at high prices, you're going to be a little defensive about the system of choice too, unless you are rich as fuck.
I enjoyed the Sony fanboys of 2007. Every major release was supposed to be the 360 killer and bless their hearts, they are still hoping that a game is going to be that 360 destroyer. That or the Warner announcement because apparently millions upon millions of consumers were waiting for that announcement.
I hope the Sony fanboys of 2008 continue to deliver the funny. I need a reason to keep going to GAF and they are it.