No Xbox announcments at CES means death of Xbox

[ParticleReality]

Microsoft's silence at CES could be the start of a tough year for the Xbox.

Success comes in many guises. Most people would agree that 2007 was a successful year for the Xbox 360 - a year when the firm's head-start over rival Sony was used to great effect, and when the console's software line-up was widely considered to be one of the strongest the industry has ever seen.

It was the year in which Halo 3 arrived, was critically acclaimed, and sold around 8 million copies - and perhaps most impressively of all, it was the year when Halo 3 almost seemed buried in an avalanche of superb games, whereas in any previous year it would have stood astride the software landscape like a colossus. It was the year when Xbox Live user figures passed the 10 million mark, and the year when Microsoft registered its second ever profitable quarter for the Xbox division (although it almost certainly slid back into a loss in the following quarter).

A good year, then? Well - maybe. Success is multi-faceted, and it's important to look at it from many angles before you make up your mind and stick a label on something. There are other ways in which 2007 was a terrible year for Microsoft - and in some regards, the company's lacklustre showing at CES in Las Vegas last week may be a hangover from those failings.

A number of problems plagued the Xbox 360 throughout the year. The woes over failing consoles finally reached the point where Microsoft could no longer ignore the system's dismal reliability - forcing it to extend its hardware warranty and set aside a billion-dollar reserve to fund repairs.

It may not have been too little, but it was definitely too late.The mainstream media had already latched onto the idea that the Xbox 360 was badly manufactured and prone to failure - while the hardcore gamers who had been Microsoft's most staunch word-of-mouth warriors suddenly became a liability, as they started talking to friends and forums about being on their third or fourth replacement Xbox 360.

No sooner had that furore died down, than it was replaced by another - the dismal failure of the Xbox Live system to cope with demand over Christmas, which has now extended into the New Year with no fix in sight. Customers paying for a rock-solid online gaming service are getting anything but; once again, Microsoft's ability to design and create amazing products seems to be let down by its ability to deliver quality on an ongoing basis. The problems aren't remotely as serious as the "Red Ring of Death" flaw on the 360 itself, but it's exactly the kind of press the console doesn't need right now.


For hardcore gamers, these are the problems which have put a dampener on enthusiasm for the 360 even in the face of a superb software line-up. Microsoft faces an even bigger problem with the console, however, to which its reliability concerns are only one contributing factor. The problem is this; it's still simply not clear how the company is going to grow its market, and there are strong signs that growth is already slowing down.

Along with plenty of other critics and commentators, I've been pointing out for a long time that the Xbox 360 still doesn't have sufficient appeal outside of the "cars and guns" market - the same 16 to 24 year old consumers who bought the original Xbox. A smattering of Japanese RPGs and, well, Viva Pinata, does not amount to a mass-market strategy that will finally unseat the PlayStation.

The proof of this unappetising pudding? Quick dinner-napkin calculations based on Microsoft's own estimates show that in 2007, the firm shipped fewer Xbox 360 consoles than it did in 2006. It's not a huge difference - but that's not what the growth curve is meant to look like, especially not when there's such an acclaimed line-up of software on offer.

How does all of this translate to the near-absence of Xbox from the firm's keynote at CES? Quite simply, there's a feeling that right now, Microsoft's Xbox division is looking long and hard at where it stands in the market - and how it breaks out of its current position to become a credible market leader. Despite a strong start and a loyal fanbase, it is assailed with challenges that will be difficult to overcome.

On one hand, it needs to learn how to appeal to the mass market - something which doesn't seem to come naturally to the product or the company. On the software front, Microsoft seemingly remains convinced that there is a single "mass market" which can be attracted by building a handful of games in key areas. The reality is very different; the "mass market" is merely a collection of a huge number of niches, and it's this vast diaspora of tastes which Sony has been excellent at providing for.

The PlayStation consoles have played host to a bewildering variety of software for different gaming tastes, and that's why they achieved mass market success - simply funding a few JRPGs and deliberately "quirky" titles isn't going to emulate this. An overhaul of how Microsoft approaches software development for its platforms as a whole may be required to nurture that kind of game library.

On the other hand, perhaps an even more daunting challenge is keeping the faithful satisfied in 2008. Going into 2007, the Xbox 360 release list looked absolutely stunning - whereas the 2008 schedule at this point in time looks comparatively barren. If Microsoft wants to maintain its momentum, let alone building new momentum, it needs to repeat the software success of 2007 - and it needs to do it without Bioware and Bizarre, both of which developed key Xbox 360 exclusives in the past but now belong to multi-platform publishers. It also needs to do it without Bungie; not only now an independent studio (albeit still likely to work on 360 exclusives), but also highly unlikely to have another game ready until 2009.

None of this is insurmountable, but it's certainly not going to be an easy ride either. Microsoft has done an absolutely amazing job in some regards - its hardware, despite launching a year earlier than the PS3, has held its own extremely well in terms of technical prowess, and its online service continues to be the benchmark for the whole industry. In terms of software, the late 2007 line-up is arguably one of the best the market has ever seen, fuelling an incredibly strong quarter for the industry as a whole.

Continuing that success, however, won't happen just through sitting on a sack full of laurels. In 2008, Microsoft's challenges will be greater than ever before. The Wii is trouncing the Xbox 360 in the casual market; the PS3 is keeping pace with it in week to week sales, despite acres of negative press, and at present has a more appealing 2008 line-up. Reliability problems just won't go away, the mass-market remains just as elusive as it's ever been, and key developers have been lost to third-party publishers. Nobody could describe a division that's just had such a brilliant couple of quarters as being in crisis - but when Microsoft finally breaks the silence that we witnessed at CES, it had better have some great responses to the challenges 2008 brings.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=32020

This part kills me the most:

Xbox 360 still doesn't have sufficient appeal outside of the "cars and guns" market - the same 16 to 24 year old consumers who bought the original Xbox. A smattering of Japanese RPGs and, well, Viva Pinata, does not amount to a mass-market strategy that will finally unseat the PlayStation.

What are the PS3's top games of the year again?

[Kyle]

What are the PS3's top games of the year again?

cars and guns.

RIP PS3

[Vizzys]

doom and gloom

[Cormacaroni]

I suppose they could grow their market by continuing to sell millions of consoles and games. It's crazy but it just might work.

[Himu]

that gaf thread is ridiculous. thankfully it's full of REAL TALK in the form of himumu x.

[calcifer]

seems about right

[Shuri]

ahh gaming journalism lol

[Eel O'Brian]

2008 is the year of 360 backlash in both the mainstream and casual/fan gaming press, i'm already picking up on the trend in the podcasts i've listened to and the articles i've read so far this year

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

lol

[bork]

ahh gaming journalism lol

This pretty much says everything.

[Mana Knight]

I mostly agree with the article, that's all I will say.

[TakingBackSunday]

I mostly agree with the article, that's all I will say.

oh get out of here

[AdmiralViscen]

Where are all the people who spent all of last year whining about how the press picks on the flaws of the big dog?

Where's calcifer owning up to his ownage in the Uncharted/Gears thread?

It still amuses me that this PS3/360 2008 talking point has legs. Don't people remember when 2007 was supposed to be the year of PS3? When Halo was going to prove itself to be a last-gen phenom that couldn't move consoles, and PS3 had this killer lineup that no one wound up giving a shit about outside of Uncharted? shrug

If PS3 has more than 2 or 3 games to buy this year it'll blow away 2007, I look forward to that. This grade school 360 backlash is just so silly to me.

[calcifer]

AN EYE FOR AN EYE

WE'LL KICK YOU TO THE FUCKING GROUND MOTHERFUCKER!!!

[AdmiralViscen]

The difference is the PS3 actually was performing poorly in 2007. No one had to drum it up and keep repeating it in an attempt to get the idea to catch on, it was plain to see.

[calcifer]

The difference is the PS3 actually was performing poorly in 2007. No one had to drum it up and keep repeating it in an attempt to get the idea to catch on, it was plain to see.

so will the 360

enjoy your dec npds... will be the last time you see 360 doing that kind of figures ever again

[AdmiralViscen]

Who's talking about sales?

[calcifer]

Who's talking about sales?

you are

[Eel O'Brian]

seriously, who gives a fuck about sales, let's see the actual fucking games and not a bunch of projected release dates

[AdmiralViscen]

Who's talking about sales?

you are

No I'm not distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. I'm talking about how PS3's 2007 lineup (at the end of 2006 and start of 2007) was supposed to be loaded with killer apps that were going to PROVE THE TANGIBLE DIFFERENCE and shit all over Halo 3 and... what else is there on 360?

I mean, with games like

Motorstorm - decent
F1 - what's that again?
NG:Black - the port that time forgot
Heavenly Sword - Perfect $20 title
Lair - oops time to backpedal
Ratchet - finally, a game to play
Uncharted - Arguably, a game to play
LBP - oops
Home - oops

And whatever else I'm forgetting. Sony fans of 2006 were touting 2007 as a banner year before all the games were delayed or turned out to be generic, forgettable, or shit. Sony wound up squeaking out 2 (3?) good games after all the hubbub.

Now it's time to look to the future again for a reason to own the damn thing, cross your fingers! Meanwhile, 360 owners have a backlog right now.

[bork]

Who's talking about sales?

you are

No I'm not distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. I'm talking about how PS3's 2007 lineup (at the end of 2006 and start of 2007) was supposed to be loaded with killer apps that were going to PROVE THE TANGIBLE DIFFERENCE and shit all over Halo 3 and... what else is there on 360?

I mean, with games like

Motorstorm - decent
F1 - what's that again?
NG:Black - the port that time forgot
Heavenly Sword - Perfect $20 title
Lair - oops time to backpedal
Ratchet - finally, a game to play
Uncharted - Arguably, a game to play
LBP - oops
Home - oops

And whatever else I'm forgetting. Sony fans of 2006 were touting 2007 as a banner year before all the games were delayed or turned out to be generic, forgettable, or shit. Sony wound up squeaking out 2 (3?) good games after all the hubbub.

Now it's time to look to the future again for a reason to own the damn thing, cross your fingers! Meanwhile, 360 owners have a backlog right now.

You forgot the likes of Warhawk, Tekken 5 Dark Resurrection Online, and Virtua Fighter 5.  And looking at those, Warhawk feels like an "incomplete" game, TK5 DR is great, but lacks all the modes and features of the PSP port, plus the online play is wonky, and VF5 was based on version B of the game and killed by the superior 360 version.

There's also some sports games like Sony's MLB game that I heard were awesome.  Plus you're forgetting multi-platform titles like Call Of Duty 4, Orange Box, Assassin's Creed, Unreal Tournament III, Dynasty Warriors Gundam, and more.  There's a number of games that got released on both consoles that people with both or favoring 360 just tend to forget about, and I think that's the biggest problem among fanboy internet debates.

[Eel O'Brian]

speaking of multiplatform titles, i just found out burnout on ps3 doesn't support custom soundtracks

now i don't know if i want to buy it on ps3, and that was the plan

[bork]

speaking of multiplatform titles, i just found out burnout on ps3 doesn't support custom soundtracks

now i don't know if i want to buy it on ps3, and that was the plan

Do any PS3 games have custom soundtrack support yet?   

[Eel O'Brian]

i dunno, but they need to iron that shit out, especially with racing games

[Phoenix Dark]

CES IS NOT A GAMING CONVENTION fegs

Sony HAS to show their hand because they're in dead last. Outside of Fable 2 and MGS4 we don't know much about the 360's lineup but guess what - E3 ISN'T HERE YET

[Bloodwake]

Hey, guess what? Here's a 2008 rundown

360 titles I want to play: Fable 2 (maybe, I found the first game very disappointing)

PS3 titles I want to play: MGS4, Infamous, Killzone 2, Resistance 2,  (looks fucking better than Halo 3 ever thought of being, I'm not fucking kidding you)

Hey, 360 had a great year, but what the fuck's coming out for it this year? Plus, it's almost like Microsoft thinks they've already won. They are selling off all of their first party studios (like Bungie) that basically made Xbox 1 a success, and hell, this system a success.

One thing is for sure, 360 needs GoW2 (even though Gears of War the original was one of the most overrated gaming experiences EVER) and Mass Effect 2 bad. This is the year the PS3 quits being an embarrasment and actually puts up. Now, I'm not saying something distinguished mentally-challenged like PS3 is going to pass it up, but they are sure as hell going to gain ground on Microsoft this year. By December, we will be looking at Nintendo still in the lead, followed by Microsoft and Sony, but those numbers Microsoft numbers and Sony numbers are going to be a lot closer than they are this year.

The bad thing about Microsoft and Sony, though, is that they actually need killer app type games in order to compete with Nintendo. The sad thing is, Nintendo can have a lineup of Flash type games you can get off the internet with maybe 1-2 total hours of gameplay and no replay value and still lead because it's the fad of the time.

Mark my words though, and I'm waiting for the Sfag accusations after this post, but Sony's going to gain significant ground this year. And hell, Home isn't going to hurt it either, considering anything is better than their current online setup.

[The Fake Shemp]

Metal Gear Solid 4 is multiplatform and you listed two mediocre first-person shooters.  Nintendo is not even in the same market, Bloodwake.  When I get my PS3, I'm getting it for Blu-Ray.  It has no games.

[y2kev]

MGS4 is going to be at least a six month exclusive, which pushes it into 2009 for 360 and out of this conversation.

And KZ2 may be mediocre, but R2 will not be.

That said, on 360 I'm looking forward to Alan Wake, Banjo, Fable, and Ninja Gaiden. And maybe some other ones I can't remember.

PS3 should have a good year. It'll make up a little ground worldwide, I bet. Hopefully it continues to sell well in Japan. Japanese third parties are going to be absolutely fucked if the PS3 doesn't at least sell to some level of respectability, and if that's impossible, they're done for. The third party scene in Japan is sooo fucked up right now.

"it has no games" lol

Reports of the 360's "demise" are incredibly bizarre. I'd say its garbage spewed by AltogetherAndrews but now there are actual sites reporting it.

[The Fake Shemp]

We have no idea what the timed exclusive deal on Metal Gear Solid 4 is - I have no doubt it'll be on the PS3 first, but c'mon, Konami likes money more than fanboys.

At any rate, it's early, there's a ton of crap not on our radars that won't be 'till E3 hits and Christmas holiday shopping season.  Very few folks were citing BioShock as a must-buy this time last year and now that's a huge franchise for Microsoft.  Neither Sony or Microsoft have positioned themselves in 2008, and that's because it's still early.  For now, we get decent multiplatform releases and LOST ODDYSEY.

[calcifer]

We have no idea what the timed exclusive deal on Metal Gear Solid 4 is - I have no doubt it'll be on the PS3 first, but c'mon, Konami likes money more than fanboys.

which is why sony payed all the money already

if sony hadnt secured it as a true exclusive a 360 version would've been announced ages ago

but even so your post doesnt make any sense... mgs sold like shit on xbox... mgs4 would've been lucky to do viva pinata numbers on 360

Very few folks were citing BioShock as a must-buy this time last year and now that's a huge franchise for Microsoft.

for 2k you mean? ms got nothing to do with bioshock other than paying for time exclusivity

[y2kev]

We have no idea what the timed exclusive deal on Metal Gear Solid 4 is - I have no doubt it'll be on the PS3 first, but c'mon, Konami likes money more than fanboys.

At any rate, it's early, there's a ton of crap not on our radars that won't be 'till E3 hits and Christmas holiday shopping season.  Very few folks were citing BioShock as a must-buy this time last year and now that's a huge franchise for Microsoft.  Neither Sony or Microsoft have positioned themselves in 2008, and that's because it's still early.  For now, we get decent multiplatform releases and LOST ODDYSEY.

I love how you even have to debate the logistics of this unconfirmed shit. In what scenario would you ever have to doubt it would be on PS3 first, or even bring it up? Sony's been calling it an exclusive since E3. It's an obvious timed exclusive with co-marketing agreement. I don't even believe it'll be out until Christmas anyway.

[The Fake Shemp]

But we don't know when it'll even be out - that's my point.  Who knows if it will be this year or next?  You're debating uncomfirmed release dates, even!

calcifier... There's already a sequel/prequel for BioShock in production, and Microsoft and 2K are in bed in terms of that franchise.  Sorry, dude.

[y2kev]

But we don't know when it'll even be out - that's my point.  Who knows if it will be this year or next?  You're debating uncomfirmed release dates, even!

calcifier... There's already a sequel/prequel for BioShock in production, and Microsoft and 2K are in bed in terms of that franchise.  Sorry, dude.

You don't know when it'll be out, but you know enough to say it's multiplatform and expect it to mean something in the context of 2008.

You know exactly what the problem is with being glib and dismissive like that.

Might as well go down both company's release lists and shit all over them for the sake of being argumentative.

[The Fake Shemp]

It's multiplatform, so if it's going to be cited as a must-buy title for PS3, I fail to see the logic if it'll also be available on the Xbox 360 in due time.  You apparently know enough that it won't mean something in context of 2008?  That seems kind of absurd.

Really, right now, KillZone 2 is the best release the PS3 has going for it and that's not saying much - the first one wasn't great.  I have no doubt it'll be eye candy, though.  Resistance 2 is laughable.

[calcifer]

calcifier... There's already a sequel/prequel for BioShock in production, and Microsoft and 2K are in bed in terms of that franchise.  Sorry, dude.

bioshock will get a ps3 port this year

you seem to be a bitter xfatty thinking 360 will automatically keep everything exclusive put ps3 cant keep anything

[The Fake Shemp]

bioshock will get a ps3 port this year

 

Maybe after the prequel to BioShock hits or nobody cares about it, like Lost Planet.

you seem to be a bitter xfatty thinking 360 will automatically keep everything exclusive put ps3 cant keep anything

Not really.  I hope PS3 owners get to play BioShock - it's a pretty awesome title.  But 2K and Microsoft are in bed in regards to the series, so the PS3 is an afterthought.  Especially considering how it's been a pain in the ass for developers to get the UE running on the hardware and the limited returns they see on such an effort.

[y2kev]

It's multiplatform, so if it's going to be cited as a must-buy title for PS3, I fail to see the logic if it'll also be available on the Xbox 360 in due time.  You apparently know enough that it won't mean something in context of 2008?  That seems kind of absurd.

Are you really questioning the positive effect of timed exclusives? The hardcore that want to play MGS4 are going to go and buy a PS3 to play it. It has a much larger impact upon its first release. It'll be "must-buy" on 360 as well, except that a large segment of the people who "must buy" it will already have done so.

And yes, we do know what kind of deal they have-- evidenced by their E3 conference and the ads they have been running for MGS4.

Really, right now, KillZone 2 is the best release the PS3 has going for it and that's not saying much - the first one wasn't great.  I have no doubt it'll be eye candy, though.  Resistance 2 is laughable.

Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

[evilol]

its funny seeing how desperate the xfagss are becoming. they're even including mgs4 in their lineup, despite sony confidently stating a million times the game is exclusive. they even had a huge banner at ces proclaiming it as exclusive. you can bet your ass sony has paid through the teeth to make it so. so yeah you xfags go ahead and delude yourselves into thinking its coming.
hey it might turn up 1 year after the ps3 version but lets face it who a gives a fuck then  
the truth of the matter is the 360 exclusive lineup is very very shitty, now the xbots are forced to play the ''wait for event x''  

[calcifer]

But 2K and Microsoft are in bed in regards to the series

not really

[The Fake Shemp]

Are you really questioning the positive effect of timed exclusives? The hardcore that want to play MGS4 are going to go and buy a PS3 to play it. It has a much larger impact upon its first release. It'll be "must-buy" on 360 as well, except that a large segment of the people who "must buy" it will already have done so.

Dude, you're arguing with yourself.  I'm not saying that the timed exclusive won't be beneficial for Sony, but we're talking about the lack of games in regards to the Xbox 360 future release schedule.  And I'm saying MGS4 will obviously be released on the 360.  Quit being butthurt.

And yes, we do know what kind of deal they have-- evidenced by their E3 conference and the ads they have been running for MGS4.

They have a timed exlusive deal, but we don't even know for how long or anything.

Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

Resistance was mediocre.  KillZone was mediocre.  Why are we expecting the sequels to be better?  I don't understand this.

[The Fake Shemp]

not really

Microsoft didn't spend the moneys to lock up BioShock exclusivity and isn't rewarding 2K with moneys in regards to the sequel/prequel production?  Are you kidding?

[y2kev]

Yeah Willco, whatever.

[calcifer]

willco the insider

tell us more oh mighty one

[MrAngryFace]

is it time for teh backlash! I musta missed it playing my 1 PS3 game after all this time ive owned it. Oh well at least I have bluray.

[The Fake Shemp]

willco the insider

In regards to what?  That Microsoft spent money to lock up BioShock or the sequel/prequel are in production?  Both are well-known and Google reveals all!

Dude, y2kev, I don't understand your grief at me slighting KillZone and Resistance.  Both are games that are generally regarded by the press, gamers and everybody as exceptionally average.  Are there any GOTY lists that had either title on them or anything?  I don't understand the hype for a sequel to either - it just screams of desperation to play anything worthwhile on a system that has been a vacuum for content.  I get it.  I used to own a N64.  I know what it's like.

[drew]

cars and guns   

360 has ninja gaiden 2 in 08', which means they can shut the fuck up now.

[y2kev]

willco the insider

In regards to what?  That Microsoft spent money to lock up BioShock or the sequel/prequel are in production?  Both are well-known and Google reveals all!

Dude, y2kev, I don't understand your grief at me slighting KillZone and Resistance.  Both are games that are generally regarded by the press, gamers and everybody as exceptionally average.  Are there any GOTY lists that had either title on them or anything?  I don't understand the hype for a sequel to either - it just screams of desperation to play anything worthwhile on a system that has been a vacuum for content.  I get it.  I used to own a N64.  I know what it's like.

No, they don't. WTF. Resistance averages near a 9 on gamerankings. This is average to you? And as for the gamers, it's like the only successful PS3 game. Who is calling it average other than EvilBore?

[The Fake Shemp]

It was also like, the only playable decent launch title.  And I think we can both agree that launch game scores are usually inflated.  I mean, both are decent bargain titles - neither are exceptional.

[y2kev]

No, I am not going to agree with you. I'd argue the press was particularly fair with Resistance, and its multiplayer appeal was even discounted-- it is one of the most vibrant online communities online today with dedicated servers and fully featured matchmaking. We're considering Eurogamer even revised their score DOWN a point in a re-review, right? Resistance was not reviewed with kid gloves.

I'm not going to continue butting heads over this. It's an absolutely pointless conversation.

[Himu]

for me:

360 has: lost odyssey, alan wake, ninja gaiden 2, fable 2, culdcept saga, infinite undiscovery.
ps3 has: infamous, echochrome, wipeout hd, valkyrie of the battlefield.

To be honest, my most anticipated games this year are multiconsole: GTAIV, DMC4, Brutal Legend, Heavy Rain.  Either that, or on portables, amazingly enough. I didn't think I'd ever say that ever.

[y2kev]

Heavy Rain is exclusive.

[Himu]

I thought it was mutliconsole. Oh well, add another ps3 game to the list!

[trh]

was there any gaming announcements at ces? if so i've missed them

[MrAngryFace]

CES isnt for gaming companies, the closest you'll get are videocard companies. Its fucking DUMB to assume ANY Company will show anything of note at one of these.

[Van Cruncheon]

on top of that, ms is aping nintendo's marketing strategy of not releasing info about games in development until roughly 3-4 months before release these days. when the 2008 lineup gets announced, it will be at individual ms events, NOT at a largely unrelated trade show.

[MrAngryFace]

bobobobo MGS4! SONY IS BACK! WOOOO! RITE?! HAY GUYZ!

[drohne]

seems 360 is headed for its second consecutive year of declining software quality and hardware shipments

if only microsoft could somehow trade smug fans for exclusive games

[Eel O'Brian]

i think all the systems/corporations have their smug fans

which is simultaneously hilarious and creepy

none of these businesses love you

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Xbox 360 isn't going anywhere.

The 360 backlash is mostly due to the Warner announcement.  Now PS3 is this viable machine and 360 sales are going to grind to zero.  I don't know how many systems with several multi-million selling titles whose sales dropped to almost nothing.  If this happens to 360, this will be a first.  Especially with probably 2 million systems sold in the US the past two months, yeah, the Xbox 360 is doomed alright 

With the Warner announcement, now all the butthurt Sony fans are coming out of the woodwork and flaming the 360 as hard as they can.  This is the first time that Sony actually has something over Microsoft and they are unleashing their hatred as hard and as often as possible.  Hence all this negative press.

If Kane and Lynch meant anything, gaming journalism plays a minuscule role in the scheme of gaming.  Xbox 360 will keep on selling well, with several multi-million sellers for 2008.  Shit isn't changing any time soon for Microsoft.

[MrAngryFace]

Its mostly PS3 owner wishful thinking. I own a ps3 but im at peace with my bad purchase. Ill buy Disgaea 3 and MLB 08 The Show when the come out, other than that..SNORE PS3