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Title: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 24, 2008, 06:21:46 PM
(http://joshreads.com/images/08/01/i080124curtis.jpg)

I read the last line as "just like MLK's a little bit white" four times before I saw it was actually "milk." I can't imagine this was accidental, given the timing and reference to the Rvnd. earlier in the strip.

Is MLK considered "white" by the black community?
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Rman on January 24, 2008, 06:33:42 PM
I'm not black, but I grew up in a predominantly black neighborhood, and what I noticed was that MLK was considered soft.  Many distinguished black fellows in my 'hood preferred Malcolm X and his ideals of separation and advancing those ideals by ''any means necessary'' as much more appealing than "I have a dream".

Also there is a huge stigma amongst some the inner city distinguished black fellows that equates eloquence, oratory ability, academic prowess, which MLK had, as being white. 
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 24, 2008, 06:39:24 PM
Come on, haven't you guys read Himuro's posts?
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Rman on January 24, 2008, 06:40:11 PM
I honestly thought he was joking.
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Himu on January 24, 2008, 06:42:39 PM
At the end of the day, Malcolm denied separation. He, still, however, held the belief that blacks should gain their rights by any means necessary, and not that lame ass marching shit.

Yes MLK is considered soft. Back in the 60's you had blacks being lynched and had fire hoses on them and the guy uses the turn the other cheek philosophy. That's not going to get you anywhere. 

Establishing laws wouldn't change the racist mindset, Malcolm realized this.

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Also there is a huge stigma amongst some the inner city distinguished black fellows that equates eloquence, oratory ability, academic prowess, which MLK had, as being white.

Irrelevant. Malcolm is looked up to and he has all of that and more.
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 24, 2008, 06:46:15 PM
See?
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Rman on January 24, 2008, 06:48:37 PM
Did you read his Autobiography?  Fantastic stuff.
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 24, 2008, 06:54:04 PM
I think this Curtis could be the most awesome "is it or isn't it" culture war since

(http://wondermark.com/tcsd/bc1.gif)
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Himu on January 24, 2008, 06:58:00 PM
Did you read his Autobiography?  Fantastic stuff.

Yes!

It's not that we don't respect MLK; we do. It's just annoying how MLK really didn't speak for us as a people and yet he's all you ever hear about when someone who brings up the civil rights era. A lot of us had to learn about the other greats by ourselves, which is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 24, 2008, 06:58:55 PM
it's true, I had never heard of Malcom X until Himumu started talking about him here on EB
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Mupepe on January 24, 2008, 07:23:44 PM
it's true, I had never heard of Malcom X until Himumu started talking about him here on EB
QFT

And MLK really didn't have any effect.  That pussy bullshit got them nowhere.  What the fuck was he thinking?  Trying to change white people's mindset about blacks being violent animals by advocating peace.  smh
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 24, 2008, 07:31:46 PM
bobobobobo it's better to SCARE than to SUBVERT

PRIDE AND MASCULINITY
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Mupepe on January 24, 2008, 07:35:11 PM
bobobobobo it's better to SCARE than to SUBVERT

PRIDE AND MASCULINITY
MLK was the MJJ of the 60's.
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Rman on January 24, 2008, 07:37:32 PM
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MLK was the MJJ of the 60's.

Michael Jeffrey Jordan???
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Mupepe on January 24, 2008, 07:38:46 PM
Michael J?????? Jackson
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Mupepe on January 24, 2008, 07:44:12 PM
I see Michael Jordan as a uniter, so i'm going with that.
That's what the white man wants you to think about MLK
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 24, 2008, 08:05:33 PM
I see Michael Jordan as a uniter, so i'm going with that.

Barkley Shut Up and Jam Gaiden suggests that Jordan will betray his race and join up with the white Man as soon as the B-Ball Control Department is established in the post-cyberpocalyptic future of 2041. So the analogy seems sound.
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Eric P on January 24, 2008, 08:27:01 PM
Also there is a huge stigma amongst some the inner city distinguished black fellows that equates eloquence, oratory ability, academic prowess, which MLK had, as being white. 

mlk, cracka azz cracka
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Eric P on January 24, 2008, 08:28:38 PM
I think this Curtis could be the most awesome "is it or isn't it" culture war since

(http://wondermark.com/tcsd/bc1.gif)

i seriously don't see this as anymore than a poop joke

i know that people talk about the crescent moon and such, but jeez, i just don't see it

Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 24, 2008, 08:43:38 PM
Where does Bill Laimbeer fit into all of this? 

Bill Laimbeer became commissioner of his NO RULES basketball league in 2030, so I'd imagine that he was one of the first against the wall in the Great B-Ball Purge of 2041.

In fact, I'd imagine that Shut Up and Jam Gaiden treats BLCB as canon, and that Laimbeer's violent nature and desire to push the limits of what was acceptable in professional sports was was one of the primary factors leading up to Barkley's infamous Chaos Dunk and B-Ballnacht.
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Barry Egan on January 24, 2008, 08:54:41 PM
I see Michael Jordan as a uniter, so i'm going with that.

Barkley Shut Up and Jam Gaiden suggests that Jordan will betray his race and join up with the white Man as soon as the B-Ball Control Department is established in the post-cyberpocalyptic future of 2041. So the analogy seems sound.

Best post ever
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 24, 2008, 10:01:01 PM
it's true, I had never heard of Malcom X until Himumu started talking about him here on EB

Malcom X was real!? Woah, I thought he was just a character in a movie, like Gandhi or JFK.
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 24, 2008, 10:02:39 PM
i seriously don't see this as anymore than a poop joke

the interstital sound effect is odd and out-of-character enough that I'm willing to believe the ||SLAM interpretation
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Ichirou on January 24, 2008, 10:43:22 PM
I agree with Patel, it doesn't really work as a joke.  The Islam interpretation is the only one that actually makes the comic make any sort of sense.
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 24, 2008, 11:05:27 PM
The problem is that the Islam interpretation doesn't really make sense or have any punchline either, but I guess still the most likely.
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Ichirou on January 24, 2008, 11:07:21 PM
It's just a commentary to the effect of "Islam sucks! I'm a Christian fundie!"
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Fresh Prince on January 24, 2008, 11:09:48 PM
Pimp > Cheating husband.
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 24, 2008, 11:39:05 PM
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It's just a commentary to the effect of "Islam sucks! I'm a Christian fundie!"

How much money does he make off these strips, and how can I get a job creating oblique yet banal expressions of my generic identity?
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: TVC15 on January 24, 2008, 11:45:19 PM
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It's just a commentary to the effect of "Islam sucks! I'm a Christian fundie!"

How much money does he make off these strips, and how can I get a job creating oblique yet banal expressions of my generic identity?

As has to be noted every time this comes up, this isn't the ONLY time Hart has made pointless religious commentary.  He has a HISTORY of stupid, senseless religious shit.  See:

(http://www.jdl.org/images/hart_toon.gif)

Like, wha?  Why would you even make this comic?  I'm not even sure what his fucking point is.  I'll just go with the safe bet:  Judaism sucks.
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Eric P on January 24, 2008, 11:48:57 PM
I agree with Patel, it doesn't really work as a joke.  The Islam interpretation is the only one that actually makes the comic make any sort of sense.

IT IS A MODERN MAINSTREAM NEWSPAPER COMIC

it doesn't have to work as a joke

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How much money does he make off these strips, and how can I get a job creating oblique yet banal expressions of my generic identity?

well he's dead, so not much
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on January 25, 2008, 01:40:33 AM
bobobobobo it's better to SCARE than to SUBVERT

PRIDE AND MASCULINITY
(http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/4/44/Rapistsworstjob.jpg)
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 25, 2008, 04:15:53 PM
I just wanted to bump this thread because Patel's posts are fucking incredible. :lol
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: INTUNEevolution on January 25, 2008, 05:04:02 PM
I think this Curtis could be the most awesome "is it or isn't it" culture war since


i seriously don't see this as anymore than a poop joke

i know that people talk about the crescent moon and such, but jeez, i just don't see it



What's the crescent moon symbolize?  Islam or something?
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Oblivion on January 25, 2008, 05:40:58 PM
Why is Himuro speaking on behalf of the African American community?
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 25, 2008, 05:50:12 PM
He brings up a good point. There was a lot of discussion last weekend over whether MLK's legacy had be simplified to one sentence - I have a dream. MLK was definitely a great civil rights leader, but he wasn't the only one, and he had more to say than the dream speech.
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: INTUNEevolution on January 25, 2008, 08:19:06 PM
The fact that he has a sentence is enough in itself.  A lot of times, leaders wink out of existence, regardless of catchy one-liners.  People are too dumb to remember more than one thing about a person at a time :/
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Eric P on January 25, 2008, 08:28:52 PM
I think this Curtis could be the most awesome "is it or isn't it" culture war since


i seriously don't see this as anymore than a poop joke

i know that people talk about the crescent moon and such, but jeez, i just don't see it

What's the crescent moon symbolize?  Islam or something?

either that or south carolina
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: Mandark on January 25, 2008, 11:58:09 PM
The problem is that the Islam interpretation doesn't really make sense or have any punchline either, but I guess still the most likely.

I think you just described Johnny Hart's modus operandi.
Title: Re: Difficult racial issues raised by Curtis
Post by: INTUNEevolution on January 26, 2008, 12:07:42 AM
Lol, comic strip writers lose their funny after a while.