THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Polari on November 01, 2006, 03:15:31 AM
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Libertarians for sure.
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Apparently Greenies are dog biscuits. The more you know.
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Apparently you shouldn't feed your dog Greenies: http://improvehomelife.com/greenies.html
Eeeewwwwwwwwww.
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Politicians are the worst
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Repubs, then Greenies, then Libertarians, then Democrats, in order of GODAWFUL to JUST BAD.
COMMIES RULE
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I just don't even care anymore. Politics suck!
And yes, politicians are the worst.
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Politicians are the worst
wut can u plz expln??
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Republicans by a country mile.
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Disposable: My opinion will change when I see the system work outside of the confines of my state.
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Worst to least worst
Commies, Marxists, Socialists, Nazis, Greens, Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians
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Disposable: My opinion will change when I see the system work outside of the confines of my state.
wut
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two can play at your game:
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I don't know what that means.
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The worst ones are usually the ones with the most power. Right now that would be Republicans. I liked them a lot more when they were trying to dismantle the government; now that they are the government I truly despise the lot of them.
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Republicans are the worst because the love money, but they enjoy using their money to force their will on and take the freedoms of others.
Libertarians love money and hate restrictions on freedom. I don't know how people see that as a bad thing.
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Drinky calls me a closet Libertarian.
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if you aren't religious, you really aren't a modern Republican; yer just a guy that hates taxes and government and the poor and people taking away yer guns. Hence, you are a libertarian.
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if you aren't religious, you really aren't a modern Republican; yer just a guy that hates taxes and government and the poor and people taking away yer guns. Hence, you are a libertarian.
But willco is all about undermining the freedom of others!
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but as a jew he's all about the accumulation of wealth for personal validation!
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Not really. I think what made Drinky blast me as a Libertarian on some other forum is that I believe in personal responsibility and not restricting freedoms. I think the specific instance was when I was lobbying against smoking bans. The anti-smoker brigrade really irritates me. The only thing I differ on is moderate, common sense security restrictions, which I think have gone way too far in this new Era of Terror.
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but as a jew he's all about the accumulation of wealth for personal validation!
If he really cared about freedom, he'd let us post pictures of dicks and scans from magazines. Willco is totally a sick Republifuck that delights in making people not be as free as they could be.
My? I just think I should be able to buy people.
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Smoking bans are stupid bullshit! If you're part of the liberal brigade that thinks certain drugs should be legalized, you're a god-damned tard if you support any smoking bans.
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dude, second-hand smoke sucks, although i think the decision should be left up to the owner of the private establishment
i don't get that "legalize drugs" suggests that you should tolerate THE EXTERNAL EFFECTS OF OTHER FOLKS' DRUG USE IN PUBLIC PLACES, though -- kinda goes against the whole libertarian "as long as it doesn't harm anyone" clause
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You know what, if SMOKERS should get to SMOKE and blow crap in my face wherever I go, i think I should be able to URINATE wherever I want because my URINE is far less harmful than the shit they are expelling into the air that I have to breathe. I breathed second hand smoke most of my life, and I didnt like it.
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I believe in firearm control. I believe in a woman's right to choose. I believe homosexuals should have civil unions with equal rights as married couples, but that is up to the state to qualify or disqualify such unions as "marriages" in name only. I believe in light, moderate control over specific economic interests. I believe in social services. I think we should create a health care system accessible to the rest of the country.
I am a registered Republican.
Oh snap.
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Im gonna fuckin urinate on your face Willco. LETS DO IT!=
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you believe in gun control? GIT OUTTA HERE.
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You know what, if SMOKERS should get to SMOKE and blow crap in my face wherever I go, i think I should be able to URINATE wherever I want because my URINE is far less harmful than the shit they are expelling into the air that I have to breathe. I breathed second hand smoke most of my life, and I didnt like it.
I agree, laws that bar you from urinating in public are absolutely distinguished mentally-challenged. If gourded out liberals are anti-smoking, they're also anti-urination. Fucking stupid liberals.
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Smoking bans are a crock of shit. A lot of the times, I see exaggerated claims on forums and such that make it sound like a pack of evil smokers run around, blowing their cancer-ridden smoke in people's faces as they flee in terror. Oh, the humanity.
I don't think that banning smoking in public places, like school institutions is bad. I think they should create designated smoking areas for those who do smoke, which should be enforced, so that they don't stand outside buildings and smoke.
And I think parents that smoke in their own home with children should be liable for a whole smorgasboard of child endangerment laws.
But when it comes to bars and private establishments, that should be left up to the owner. And if someone wants to curb their life expectancy by a few years with cigarettes, I say let 'em.
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I AM PEEING ON UR FACE
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A freedom to smoke is one thing, but nobody should have the right to poison other people's lungs simply because they are unable to kick a stupid habit. Governments prevent businesses from harming their workers and customers with poisons and toxins already, why should the poisons and toxins from cigarettes be any different?
One can be in favor of legalizing drugs and also be in favor of smoking bans. Marijuana smoked in one's apartment does not harm anyone directly. Having to inhale someone else smoke at a bar or restaurant does. Freedoms and rights often conflict with each other and sometimes one person's supposed right has to be curtailed to allow others to enjoy their rights. Your desire to not get run over conflicts with an asshole's desire to run red lights. Who should win out, the one doing harm or the one who is not?
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let me pee on ur lungs
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I'm also in favor of gun control, but who isn't? It's the amount of control that divides people.
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Sorry, dude, it should be up to the bar and restaurant whether they allow smoking or not.
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let me pee on ur lungs
Your freedom stops where my mouth begins.
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Smoking is now BANNED on Evilbore.
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Except, in my specific argument stated, nobody is filling up anyone's lungs with evil second hand smoke (which, by the way, is just as foul, if less so, than a lot of other carcinogens that nobody cares about). If you want to go to a bar that allows smoking, that's your own risk. A person that runs a privately owned establishment shouldn't be forced to bend to what you want, especially in regards to a legal substance, albeit harmful.
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on the other hand, malek, it's unfair to ask an employee to leave his job because his coworker smokes, but it's fine for folks to leave a restaurant if they hate the smoking rules. the former suggests coercion, and that's what the government is trying to avoid with workplace health rules.
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Sorry, dude, it should be up to the bar and restaurant whether they allow smoking or not.
Should it be up to the bars whether or not food is laced with poison or whether gas fumes are pumped in their businesses? What’s so special about cigarette smoke?
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Smoking is now BANNED on Evilbore.
Good ol' freedom hating Evilbore: No Dicks, No Scans, No Smoking.
Should it be up to the bars whether or not food is laced with poison or whether gas fumes are pumped in their businesses? What’s so special about cigarette smoke?
What about all the unhealthy shit that's already in the restaurant's food? That will kill the people faster than secondhand smoke will.
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i never thought i'd see the day where i as the wanna-be socialist would be arguing for less restrictions on firearms with a pair of libertarian republicans.
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then again, VIVA LA REVOLUCION!
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Should it be up to the bars whether or not food is laced with poison or whether gas fumes are pumped in their businesses? What’s so special about cigarette smoke?
This argument makes no sense.
Homicide is illegal, smoking is not. It's irrelevant that you think the outcome is the same.
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I love guns, Drinky!
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i know you do :-[
how can anyone not love guns? they can kill all the people you don't like!
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What there are no employees in bar and restaurants?
How many bars were smoke free before smoking was banned in these places in Ontario and Quebec? None that I knew of. So where was my freedom to go to a bar that did not allow smoking? Business is not unregulated for a reason, people will do anything for a buck, even if it harms the health of others.
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Should it be up to the bars whether or not food is laced with poison or whether gas fumes are pumped in their businesses? What’s so special about cigarette smoke?
This argument makes no sense.
Homicide is illegal, smoking is not. It's irrelevant that you think the outcome is the same.
Second hand smoke does kill, though it's not called homicide.
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Forcing restaurants and bars and all indoor locations to ban smoking is nanny state bullshit. If people don't want to go into an establishment where smoking is allowed, they don't have to.
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Forcing restaurants and bars and all indoor locations to ban smoking is nanny state bullshit. If people don't want to go into an establishment where smoking is allowed, they don't have to.
And if smokers don't want to go to a smoke free bar they don't have to. By not smoking I don't effect anyone else, but another person's smoking does have an effect on others.
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How can you be against gun control? I'm not arguing for more restrictions, but I will argue for more strict enforcement of laws we have on the books, more consistency with the litigation and to have less of them in floating around in general.
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Forcing restaurants and bars and all indoor locations to ban smoking is nanny state bullshit. If people don't want to go into an establishment where smoking is allowed, they don't have to.
And if smokers don't want to go to a smoke free bar they don't have to. By not smoking I don't effect anyone else, but another person's smoking does have an effect on others.
Cool, so then you think banning indoor smoking across the board is dumb, then? Smokers in areas that institute such bans via law have had their choice taken away.
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I'm against gun control because I want a semi-automatic shotgun and and I see no reason why I *shouldn't* have one
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Lots of stuff kills, malek. White Man brought up an adequate point with trans fats. You might as well force us to sit in padded, white rooms and drink water and oatmeal all day long.
I'm against gun control because I want a semi-automatic shotgun and and I see no reason why I *shouldn't* have one
I'm not saying you can't own a firearm, but why do people need to own 10?
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Forcing restaurants and bars and all indoor locations to ban smoking is nanny state bullshit. If people don't want to go into an establishment where smoking is allowed, they don't have to.
And if smokers don't want to go to a smoke free bar they don't have to. By not smoking I don't effect anyone else, but another person's smoking does have an effect on others.
Cool, so then you think banning indoor smoking across the board is dumb, then? Smokers in areas that institute such bans via law have had their choice taken away.
They can set up clubs.
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Lots of stuff kills, malek. White Man brought up an adequate point with trans fats. You might as well force us to sit in padded, white rooms and drink water and oatmeal all day long.
When you eat trans fat that trans fat isn't deposited in my body. If I'm in a restaurant eating a salad, the unneeded trans fat from your fries isn't floating into the air and in to MY body.
That being said I'm in favor of trans fat bans.
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Forcing restaurants and bars and all indoor locations to ban smoking is nanny state bullshit. If people don't want to go into an establishment where smoking is allowed, they don't have to.
And if smokers don't want to go to a smoke free bar they don't have to. By not smoking I don't effect anyone else, but another person's smoking does have an effect on others.
Cool, so then you think banning indoor smoking across the board is dumb, then? Smokers in areas that institute such bans via law have had their choice taken away.
They can set up clubs.
No they can't. Not when all indoor smoking is banned. Clubs are either grandfathered in or it is difficult/impossible to get permits.
Here in Seattle, all new indoor smoking establishments have to get a pricey permit, and they are BARRED from serving food and liquor. So a lot of hookah clubs have popped up over the past year, but you can't get wasted in them.
Same goes for restaurants.
So you're happy that you selfishly get what YOU want while freedom is stripped from others? We're living in a society here.
When you eat trans fat that trans fat isn't deposited in my body. If I'm in a restaurant eating a salad, the unneeded trans fat from your fries isn't floating into the air and in to MY body.
Nobody made you go into restaurants where smoking was allowed. There have always been restaurants that have not allowed it. Bars, well, I doubt there was a demand for non-smoking bars. But if there were demand, THE MARKET WOULD CORRECT ITSELF and the non-smoking bars would start popping up.
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Anti-smoking activists do overreach in their arguments, and I'm sure tobacco addicts feel like they're being persecuted. On the other hand, if I can be fined for turning on my boombox and dropping lyrical bombs on the table next to me, why not do the same with second-hand smoke, which is a pain even without any carcinogens?
PS Willco, why ARE you a Republican, anyway?
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White Man I think people can do what they want in their own private clubs that have restricted membership. I see bars and restaurants as businesses open to the public and should not unnecessarily harm the public with something that is not inherent to the things they sell or serve. People ate and drank long before people smoked cigarettes. If I want a beer it shouldn't come with a puff of smoke. However even smokers can go to these places, they just can't light up.
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White Man I think people can do what they want in their own private clubs that have restricted membership. I see bars and restaurants as businesses open to the public and should not unnecessarily harm the public with something that is not inherent to the things they sell or serve. People ate and drank long before people smoked cigarettes. If I want a beer it shouldn't come with a puff of smoke. However even smokers can go to these places, they just can't light up.
They're open to the public, but they're still private property. They should set their own rules concerning smoking.
Like I said, if there were demand for non-smoking bars, they'd exist. I don't smoke, but I do believe that smoke is part of barroom ambiance. You get what you want, I can't get what I want.
Also, The private club/restricted membership thing isn't true in all areas where such laws are instituted. I just told you that such clubs are grandfathered in here.
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Again, it's a person's property. They should be able to do what they want. Who is forcing you to drink a beer there?
This is such a weak argument.
Nobody is saying that people should light up in your face in places where you might be need or forced to be - like government buildings.
But if I run a dive and I welcome smokers, it's my money and my dive.
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PS Willco, why ARE you a Republican, anyway?
I feel I can do more good voting with the elphants than with the donkeys. They're a bad party.
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PS Willco, why ARE you a Republican, anyway?
I feel I can do more good voting with the elphants than with the donkeys. They're a bad party.
Join me, Willco.
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They're open to the public, but they're still private property. They should set their own rules concerning smoking.
Like I said, if there were demand for non-smoking bars, they'd exist.
Also, The private club/restricted membership thing isn't true in all areas where such laws are instituted. I just told you that such clubs are grandfathered in here.
People are not free to do whatever they want on their private property, especially when these "freedoms" of the property owner effect others and do not just effect the property owners themselves.
Of course bars have a financial interest not to ban a large number of their patrons. And most non-smokers are used to the smoke, hell I even like it a little and won’t leave a bar just because it has smoking inside of it. However there are health concerns that are far more important then the business concerns of a few.
White Man I was saying that the clubs should be allowed to do what they wish, I know they can't. So I think the laws should be altered.
edit: I'm, off to class. Someone take up my cause.
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Join me, Willco.
Where are we going?
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They're open to the public, but they're still private property. They should set their own rules concerning smoking.
Like I said, if there were demand for non-smoking bars, they'd exist.
Also, The private club/restricted membership thing isn't true in all areas where such laws are instituted. I just told you that such clubs are grandfathered in here.
People are not free to do whatever they want on their private property, especially when these "freedoms" of the property owner effect others and do not just effect the property owners themselves.
That's a tragedy.
Of course bars have a financial interest not to ban a large number of their patrons. And most non-smokers are used to the smoke, hell I even like it a little and won’t leave a bar just because it has smoking inside of it. However there are health concerns that are far more important then the business concerns of a few.
Well, the people that smoke, the non-smokers that choose to go in the locations, and the owners of the locations all know about the health risks. It's not like smoking being unhealthy is some big secret. People can make up their own minds about such things, they don't need the government to force establishments to do one thing or the other.
White Man I was saying that the clubs should be allowed to do what they wish, I know they can't. So I think the laws should be altered.
The laws shouldn't exist!
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Nobody should take up your cause, you evil banshee.
First, it's cigarettes. Then trans fats. Then red meat. Then television. Then art. I've seen this fucking movie before and I always hate the ending.
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Join me, Willco.
Where are we going?
To a magical land where you can do whatever you want. I call it Libertaria.
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I'm scared to be a Libertarian - Drinky mocks me.
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no, come to Chomskia, where ther majority gets together and shoots the minority with our legal rocket launchers!
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Drinky got an Ayn Rand haircut. It makes him look younger and more masculine.
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I'm an absolute and total civil libertarian. i'm not an economic libertarian in the slightest -- i have no problem paying taxes in theory as long as they are used to provide a strong support infrastructure; plus i think corporations, wealthy folks, and businesses should be taxed to fuck and back.
I'm definitely not a big L "Libertarian" because that's a fucked up cult.
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I'm definitely not a big L "Libertarian" because that's a fucked up cult.
Whatever, if I want to eat roast beef made from babies, and the market will accomodate me, I should be allowed to.
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I don't know where I belong anymore! I'm so confused! I wonder what this is what it felt like to be TVC in the boy's locker room in high school.
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Republicans got ToxicAdam and APF, and those two are dreamy.
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i got no problem with that -- especially if the baby meat market gets taxed to pay teachers better -- but that isn't Libertarianism.
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I like Toxic and APF better in their non-GAF incarnations, but they're hardly your standard Bible Belt Republican, either. They're just Democrat-haters, much like I'm not a Sony or MS fanboy, but rather an anti-Nintendo fanboy.
Although anyone who gives a shit about terrorism is a total fag0t. Terrorism is and always will be. You'll never get the luxury of 100% security, and I'm tired of my freedoms getting crapped on and the endless racism is spawns. Quit shitting your pants like a little kid and get on with more important issues.
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Republicans got ToxicAdam and APF, and those two are dreamy.
I like both of them a lot. They get treated really unfairly at the other place.
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Oh, so now someone finally admits the political slant of their beloved forum.
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Oh, so now someone finally admits the political slant of their beloved forum.
I don't think it could be denied. They take a lot of slack while people like Incognito get off easy. That's really lame.
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their knee-jerk defense of neocon policy, torture, and the fuckin iraq war overall deserved public excoriation, although it certainly didn't deserve censure
then again i luve luv LUV a good fight
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You know, I think a very high percent of the population would go for moderate gun control reform (limiting assault weapons, closing the gun show loophole, actually enforcing current laws), but it's become a values debate instead of a policy wonk issue. The Brady people push for a maximum ban, which scares gun-owners who flock to the NRA, which is basically an industry group.
Also, Willco's a good example of someone who doesn't actually agree with the major planks of the Republican party (hating gay people, hating black people, hating sluts), but is really put off by the seat belts/trans fats/smoking stuff.
The sanctimonious bureaucrat type from (the wildly underrated) King of the Hill is probably as much a reason people vote Republican as anything.
The NeoGAF Republicans aren't any better than, say, Triumph. It's unfair that he doesn't get crap, but it's not unfair that they do.
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I don't think either one has presented knee-jerk party line reactions in an attempt to defend "dear leader". I applaud both of them for basically voicing the other side of the argument, and never discounting that the party might be incorrect (both have stated instances where this is the case), against the continual shouting of Crooks and Liars talking points and Diablos the Rally Monkey.
It isn't like they're making guest appearances on GAFCRITIC or something.
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There is one thing I hate more than Republicans and that is Libertarians. Libertarians are nothing more than Republicans who are too scared to admit they are Republican.
Greens are odd and they scare me.
Democrats are wonderful at disappointing me.
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There is one thing I hate more than Republicans and that is Libertarians. Libertarians are nothing more than Republicans who are too scared to admit they are Republican.
How am I anything even resembling a Republican?
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WHY MUST WE LABEL ONE ANOTHER.
CAN'T WE ALL JUST BE AMERICANS?
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No! I don't want to be bundled in with dumbass Democrats and evil, vile Republicans.
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There is one thing I hate more than Republicans and that is Libertarians. Libertarians are nothing more than Republicans who are too scared to admit they are Republican.
How am I anything even resembling a Republican?
I didn't say you. :lol I said Libertarians, most(not all) are wannabe Republicans.
Libertarians views on taxes, state rights, and guns sounds very Republican to me.
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There is one thing I hate more than Republicans and that is Libertarians. Libertarians are nothing more than Republicans who are too scared to admit they are Republican.
How am I anything even resembling a Republican?
I didn't say you. :lol I said Libertarians, most(not all) are wannabe Republicans.
Libertarians views on taxes, state rights, and guns sounds very Republican to me.
I don't think Libertarians and Republicans have the same views on taxes as much as it is that they both agree it's ridiculous that so much tax money goes into various social programs. I'm not sure there is a standard Libertarian opinion on state vs federal rights. The gun control thing is because Libertarians are against restrictions placed on freedoms. Republicans are anti-gun control because the NRA lobbies them with fat sacks of stacked cash.
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I'm not necessarily against taxes, but the way the Democrats setup taxes and programs - it's a waste. Look at California. I dump more money in sales tax and state tax and - fuck! - we even get taxed for dining out. What do I see for it? Mountains of state debt, shitty social services and a state run by unions and corporate interests. For the world's fifth biggest economy, you couldn't tell it. What a fucking waste.
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Interesting conversation.
Being a republican is kind of wierd now. The party I believed in when I was a teenager isn't the party that is holding the office today. Your old defense mechanisms kick in when you see a "Republican" getting attacked ... but really, that type of partisan defense mode seems silly to me now.
I love GAF, because it has a variety of liberals that act (and react) in the same manner as the Conservatives they hate. The hypocrisy is delicious and I can't get enough of it.
You only need to look at the recent thread on Kerry's vocal misstep and see all the liberals jump into action with links (OMG I HAVE LINKS!) and the common cries of "Bu bu bu Bush ..."
After months of getting chastised for pulling the "Clinton Card" ... its going to be awesome to see the very same people pulling the "Bush card" in a few years.
But that's the downfall of people who have such righteous beliefs. What they accuse their "enemies" of doing .. is the very thing they will be doing down the line but instead, they will have justification for it. It's sad.
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I'm definitely not a big L "Libertarian" because that's a fucked up cult.
Whatever, if I want to eat roast beef made from babies, and the market will accomodate me, I should be allowed to.
Awesome, fatten up TVC, I'm going to eat libertarians.
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I think they're all pretty awful in some respects. I hate them all pretty much equally. Even though Republicans have been pretty high on the stupidity ladder lately.
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rather, Republicans are Libertarians that secretly hate liberty.
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Greens and the whole lot of similar lefties are idealistic and self-righteous, which is an obnoxious combination in a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. Republicans are usually religious--which means they'll ultimately think I should go to Hell, so fuck 'em; I usually can't identify. Libertarians you can have a drink with, but they're just as big Kool-aid drinkers as the Greens, and therefore just as creepy. Democrats are jackasses right now, but this too shall pass. Most of my friends are either far-left or moderate-libertarian.
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Cheebs, yeah and socialists are just like Democrats.
Obviously not and there are also many differences between Republicans and libertarians and the differences are not trivial, especially when it comes to social issues. Hell after the last six years you could add fiscal issues.
Mandark do you make any posts where you don't race-bait?
PS: I really could go for some baby back ribs!
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do you ever post a political topic that doesn't implicitly reference The Bell Curve, malek
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do you ever post a political topic that doesn't implicitly reference The Bell Curve, malek
Yes, occasionally I'm explicit.
Are you on the Mandark defense team now?
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me and mandark are tight :-*
at least until he starts dissing maximo :punch
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me and mandark are tight :-*
at least until he starts dissing maximo :punch
That game hasn't aged well.
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Drinky:
Mandark is the Sam to your FRODO AM I RITE LOL
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he may not be able to carry my burden, but he can carry me :-*
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He's the Trotsky to your Lenin.
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oh, sir, you flatter me!
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oh, sir, you flatter me!
I wasn't trying to.
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Mandark don't go to Mexico.
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Go to Cozumel, Mexico - it's fantastic.
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hay guys how about them kerry jokes?
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Libertarians > Democrats > Republicans> Greenies > Communists
Greens will never get be a true force to be reckoned with it but generally they're annoying as fuck.
Ditto for communists. Democrats and Republicans are practically the same (moderates) anyway ie they will always go for the public opinion or corporate money for the final decision.