THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Borys on April 18, 2008, 04:38:14 PM
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That about wraps it up for Sony
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Every generation, developers always say that they have used up all of the consoles resources. And the graphics always get better gradually towards the end of the gen. It's bullshit. MGS4 hasn't used Cell to it's limit at all.
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:bow Cell :bow2
Sweeping the world :usacry
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Cell is overrated for graphics processing. Sony mothership sold the Cell tech to Toshiba, their former HD format rivals. That sez something.
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borys when is your gaf ban up
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Typical Japanese humbleness and humility...right....RIGHT?
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:bow Borys :bow2
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Aren't the graphics based on Kojima's interest in equaling or surpassing Gears of Wars' graphics? So basically he's saying MGS4 looks worse than GoW?
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:gloomy rsx budget cpu
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Kojima ALWAYS says this.
This is how he covers his ass for the games faults.
Yeah, he came out and said the exact same crap right before MGS2 came out.
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Kojima ALWAYS says this.
This is how he covers his ass for the games faults.
Yeah, he came out and said the exact same crap right before MGS2 came out.
And MGS2 owned. Who cares about Kojima.
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I guarantee you this game will be awesome.
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borys when is your gaf ban up
in 2 weeks yo
but i won't disappear from here
people love me, don't want to let them down
and besides
here is a better place
Glad to hear it. You have been a great addition. :tophat
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Kojima ALWAYS says this.
This is how he covers his ass for the games faults.
Yeah, he came out and said the exact same crap right before MGS2 came out.
iirc, he also said he was kinda embarassed to show off mgs2 for the first time.
:bow kojima's high standards :bow2
june omg
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well, mgs4 didn't wow me like mgs2 did
it still looks great
:gloomy rsx budget gpu :gloomy
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wait for the other version
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but what if there was a platform where you didn't have to offload such functions, and were supported by a nex-gen gpu with a unified shading model and a flexible, dynamic rendering pipeline...??? ??? ???
a platform much, much closer to the feature set and gfx programming model employed during the initial proofing and development of the game...??? ??? ???
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Deadmeat was right...
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:'( year of ps3 continues :'(
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i hope it goes to 360 so it sells more copies and becomes massively successful
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All this means is that there will be a MGS5 so that Kojima will be able to make the game that he always wanted to.
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i think i will wait for the pc version of mgs4: subsistence
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i hope it goes to 360 so it sells more copies and becomes massively successful
:clap :fiesta :clap
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should have been on 360 from the start
:bow Borys
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should have been on 360 from the start
:bow Borys
i'm glad they didn't, just so i can read threads like this
mmmmm delicious
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good point
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reading this, it says two things:
--MGS4:Subcutaneous am confirmed
--I'm disappointed that my game will only shame all other devs, rather than make them commit public seppuku.
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mmmmm delicious
Damn, you stole the words right out of my mouth.
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The gap between a high end PC and PS3/360 is pretty astonishing.
I'm still amazed sometimes at how some games can run at 60fps,4xAA, w/ better textures & effects at greater than 1080P on my PC while they can barely run at 30fps/720P on consoles.
Technically, both "next-gen" consoles are pretty disappointing but even more so with the PS3. Launching 1 yr later, the PS3 should have at least had a better GPU and more ram than the 360 but it had neither.
The low amounts of ram in the 360/PS3 are probably the biggest reason why new games still aren't much more than prettified versions of stuff that we've been playing for the last few years.
Of course it would sell worse than Crysis. lol PC games
Maybe but millions of people would have still played it on their PCs.
:'( business side of PC gaming :'(
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wait for the other version
:o Professor, did you hear anything about improving the game graphics on the 360?
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The gap between a high end PC and PS3/360 is pretty astonishing.
I'm still amazed sometimes at how some games can run at 60fps,4xAA, w/ better textures & effects at greater than 1080P on my PC while they can barely run at 30fps/720P on consoles.
The Orange Box is particularly sad on consoles.
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the pc ports of the mgs games were so awful
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i don't know who 'someone' is, but there are no exclusive ps3 games that render at substantially less than 720p. ratchet runs at 1280x704 or something. those lower resolutions are mainly used to squeeze the framebuffer into the 360's edram, and afaik the benefits are marginal on ps3. in any case i'd better not see your pink ass bashing mgs4 after defending halo 3, which has got the absolute worst image quality of any major game this gen
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Kojima does a better job realizing his visions than Molyneaux.
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I hear sub 720p, sub 30fps. Tears.
so you're saying mgs4 will be just like every other ps3/360 game in term of image quality? I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS!
and from a jap dev too... they've been so on top of things this gen :-\
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i don't know who 'someone' is, but there are no exclusive ps3 games that render at substantially less than 720p. ratchet runs at 1280x704 or something. those lower resolutions are mainly used to squeeze the framebuffer into the 360's edram, and afaik the benefits are marginal on ps3. in any case i'd better not see your pink ass bashing mgs4 after defending halo 3, which has got the absolute worst image quality of any major game this gen
at least halo 3 have godly lighting, mgs4? nothing lol.
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subtle beauty
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yes, because no one expects MGS to be 1080p and 60fps!
no one.
just.... all the usual sonyfan nutters (except you)
eesh dc this is pretty eek
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subtle beauty
:rofl :rofl :rofl
drohne :heart
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dc, i want to defecate in your mouth
break yourself, foo
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who cares if it's not 720p? the game still looks great
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I hear sub 720p, sub 30fps. Tears.
so you're saying mgs4 will be just like every other ps3/360 game in term of image quality? I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS!
and from a jap dev too... they've been so on top of things this gen :-\
What? Most Jap devs have been crap with next-gen graphics so far.
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I hear sub 720p, sub 30fps. Tears.
so you're saying mgs4 will be just like every other ps3/360 game in term of image quality? I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS!
and from a jap dev too... they've been so on top of things this gen :-\
What? Most Jap devs have been crap with next-gen graphics so far.
obvious sarcasm, good grief
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:lol
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To be fair it took how long to ACTUALLY max out the PS2?
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To be fair it took how long to ACTUALLY max out the PS2?
I think the PS2 got close to being maxed out around Jak 2, R&C 2,etc which was about 3 yrs after launch. PS2 games generally all look about that goodl after that.
The graphical improvements during the PS2 era really weren't as large as people believed. It's just that 3D was only in its 2nd gen and many developers still were learning how to do 3d graphics properly.
For devs that already know what they were doing, they weren't able to squeeze much more performance of the PS2 than they did early on.
Look at Madden, MGS2, SH2, DMC, as examples. Their sequels might have looked better but the improvements were minor at best.
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VP2 begs to differ
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I didn't get far in VP2 because I didn't like the big head characters. They just looked freaky.
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i don't agree with it either, but i'm not arguing it cuz it will lead to screenshot war
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I actually think that FF10 looks better than FF12. But I beat 10 while only playing 12 for 2 hrs so that might not be a fair comparison. From what I played of 12, it just seemed really bland and lifeness.
Also the framerate was worse in 12.
GOW2 did look better than GOW1 but it also had way more tearing. Is it really an improvement when you have to sacrifice image quality in order to get better graphical effects?
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i don't agree with it either, but i'm not arguing it cuz it will lead to screenshot war
So you don't agree that Jak and R&C didn't improve much after the 2nd games in the series? What would you say looked better in the sequels?
This isn't GAF so don't worry about screenshot wars. I don't do that kinda stuff anyways.
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burnout revenge, vp2, silent hill 3, and soul calibur 3 are among the best-looking and most technically accomplished games of last gen
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god of war 2 (tearing but still...) and ninja gaiden were great as well.
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FFXII/VP2/GOW2
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burnout revenge, vp2, silent hill 3, and soul calibur 3 are among the best-looking and most technically accomplished games of last gen
Yeah, but are they that much better looking than the best looking games that were released around the middle of the PS2's lifespan?
I guess what I'm saying is that the average PS2 game improved greatly until the end but not so much for the top tier games.
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Well youre the same person who commented on SC3 without having even played it
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When did I say I didn't play SC3? I just told Lyte that I haven't tried SC2 or 3 upscaled on the PS3.
I just think that SC2 in 720P on the Xbox was the best looking SC of last gen. 2x pixels make a huge difference.
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I dunno DC, MGO is 60 fps according to some fps whiners on gaf (jett :o).
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o shit, is the mgo beta active?
one of the press outlets that's played mgs4 claimed it was 60fps -- ign i think -- but game journalists have somehow got a bad record with that kind of thing. i really don't know how you confuse 30 and 60
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o shit, is the mgo beta active?
one of the press outlets that's played mgs4 claimed it was 60fps -- ign i think -- but game journalists have somehow got a bad record with that kind of thing. i really don't know how you confuse 30 and 60
i think for eurotrashers and maybe jappas. and maybe americans? but americans seem to be experiencing severe problems connecting.
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yes, it was ign.
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Well, I really think they'd keep the same framerate, but at least MGO will have the super smooth framerate. That'd be nice.
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o shit, is the mgo beta active?
one of the press outlets that's played mgs4 claimed it was 60fps -- ign i think -- but game journalists have somehow got a bad record with that kind of thing. i really don't know how you confuse 30 and 60
IGN made the same mistake with Sega Rally Revo. It's quite understandable if IGN was mistaken about MGO as well.
Unless you're the type of PC gamer that plays with FRAPs on all the time, it isn't easy to tell between 30fps and 60fps on a game with a 3rd person view,especially if that 30fps is steady with no slowdowns.
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japanese online games :'(
i can't stay connected to the update server, and you have to relaunch the damned game to reconnect
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it took capcom 3 updates to fix Lost Planet and that was P2P.
good luck lol.
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:bow Cell :bow2
Sweeping the world :usacry
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KONAMI had to DUMB DOWN MGOBETA for PS3
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dcharlie, sony xmb may look all cute but it's using like 80mb of memory and the store text is fucking small.
one console future is distinguished mentally-challenged, competition is the way to go.
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dcharlie, sony xmb may look all cute but it's using like 80mb of memory and the store text is fucking small.
one console future is distinguished mentally-challenged, competition is the way to go.
Yes, look at how complacent Nvidia has gotten ever since AMD/ATI hasn't been able to catch up. Nvidia has been recyling Geforce 8 technology for almost 2 years now.
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The way I see it, 80mb isn't a problem. Sony should have just included 1 gig of ram but no, they decided that Blu-ray was more important instead.
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i don't think so.
blades imo is getting better, it's faster and the tabbed marketplace is cool.
they just need to fix the games blade, xbla is lost there now :-\
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ms should use media center interface for their next console.
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Who says they aren't? All it takes is one firmware flash
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this gen? nah, better focus on making blades better.
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what about nintendo menues
simple and clean, i like.
though they still didn't fix one big issue.
VC games are scattered across the menu, you have Donkey Kong Country 1 channel, DKC2 channel, Sonic channel...etc...
they should have VC system channels, not games, like a SNES channel (under it you can find all your SNES games), Genesis Channel, a NES and so on...
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the channels are distinguished mentally-challenged. designed for a tiny tv and people who dont have lots of shit.
the PS3 OS is less than half of what it originally was, according to Jim. I imagine they will keep shrinking it.
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blades imo is getting better, it's faster and the tabbed marketplace is cool.
call me shallow, i just want it to look cooler than it does right now.
but hey, it works FROM EVERYWHERE. Ingame XBL , bringing you next gen interface integration since 2006. ;)
2005
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I dunno about "our" lol