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demi · « **Reply #1 on:** April 18, 2008, 04:45:05 PM »

That about wraps it up for Sony

Powerslave · « **Reply #2 on:** April 18, 2008, 04:49:33 PM »

Every generation, developers always say that they have used up all of the consoles resources. And the graphics always get better gradually towards the end of the gen. It's bullshit. MGS4 hasn't used Cell to it's limit at all.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #3 on:** April 18, 2008, 04:51:15 PM »

Cell

Sweeping the world

Rman · « **Reply #4 on:** April 18, 2008, 04:53:01 PM »

Cell is overrated for graphics processing. Sony mothership sold the Cell tech to Toshiba, their former HD format rivals. That sez something.

y2kev · « **Reply #5 on:** April 18, 2008, 05:41:41 PM »

borys when is your gaf ban up

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #6 on:** April 18, 2008, 05:56:47 PM »

Typical Japanese humbleness and humility...right....RIGHT?

MCD · « **Reply #7 on:** April 18, 2008, 05:59:16 PM »

Borys

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #8 on:** April 18, 2008, 06:05:27 PM »

Aren't the graphics based on Kojima's interest in equaling or surpassing Gears of Wars' graphics? So basically he's saying MGS4 looks worse than GoW?

hyp · « **Reply #9 on:** April 18, 2008, 06:08:23 PM »

rsx budget cpu

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #10 on:** April 18, 2008, 06:19:35 PM »

Quote from: mojovonio on April 18, 2008, 04:50:43 PM

Kojima ALWAYS says this.

This is how he covers his ass for the games faults.

Yeah, he came out and said the exact same crap right before MGS2 came out.

Himu · « **Reply #11 on:** April 18, 2008, 06:35:03 PM »

Quote from: distantmantra on April 18, 2008, 06:19:35 PM

Quote from: mojovonio on April 18, 2008, 04:50:43 PM
Kojima ALWAYS says this.

This is how he covers his ass for the games faults.

Yeah, he came out and said the exact same crap right before MGS2 came out.

And MGS2 owned. Who cares about Kojima.

Bloodwake · « **Reply #12 on:** April 18, 2008, 06:36:47 PM »

I guarantee you this game will be awesome.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #13 on:** April 18, 2008, 06:54:35 PM »

Quote from: Borys on April 18, 2008, 05:49:14 PM

Quote from: y2kev on April 18, 2008, 05:41:41 PM
borys when is your gaf ban up

in 2 weeks yo

but i won't disappear from here

people love me, don't want to let them down

and besides

here is a better place

Glad to hear it. You have been a great addition.

bud · « **Reply #14 on:** April 18, 2008, 07:30:26 PM »

Quote from: distantmantra on April 18, 2008, 06:19:35 PM

Quote from: mojovonio on April 18, 2008, 04:50:43 PM
Kojima ALWAYS says this.

This is how he covers his ass for the games faults.

Yeah, he came out and said the exact same crap right before MGS2 came out.

iirc, he also said he was kinda embarassed to show off mgs2 for the first time.

kojima's high standards

june omg

bud · « **Reply #15 on:** April 18, 2008, 07:38:12 PM »

well, mgs4 didn't wow me like mgs2 did

it still looks great

rsx budget gpu

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #16 on:** April 18, 2008, 07:41:50 PM »

wait for the other version

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #17 on:** April 18, 2008, 08:08:52 PM »

but what if there was a platform where you didn't have to offload such functions, and were supported by a nex-gen gpu with a unified shading model and a flexible, dynamic rendering pipeline...

a platform much, much closer to the feature set and gfx programming model employed during the initial proofing and development of the game...

MCD · « **Reply #18 on:** April 18, 2008, 08:09:24 PM »

Deadmeat was right...

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #19 on:** April 18, 2008, 08:14:44 PM »

:'( year of ps3 continues :'(

y2kev · « **Reply #20 on:** April 18, 2008, 08:36:24 PM »

i hope it goes to 360 so it sells more copies and becomes massively successful

Beezy · « **Reply #21 on:** April 18, 2008, 08:50:27 PM »

All this means is that there will be a MGS5 so that Kojima will be able to make the game that he always wanted to.

calcifer · « **Reply #22 on:** April 18, 2008, 08:56:36 PM »

i think i will wait for the pc version of mgs4: subsistence

demi · « **Reply #23 on:** April 18, 2008, 08:58:41 PM »

Quote from: y2kev on April 18, 2008, 08:36:24 PM

i hope it goes to 360 so it sells more copies and becomes massively successful

:fiesta

pilonv1 · « **Reply #24 on:** April 18, 2008, 09:50:31 PM »

should have been on 360 from the start

Borys

y2kev · « **Reply #25 on:** April 18, 2008, 09:56:18 PM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on April 18, 2008, 09:50:31 PM

should have been on 360 from the start

Borys

i'm glad they didn't, just so i can read threads like this

mmmmm delicious

pilonv1 · « **Reply #26 on:** April 18, 2008, 10:09:07 PM »

good point

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #27 on:** April 19, 2008, 01:14:55 AM »

reading this, it says two things:

--MGS4:Subcutaneous am confirmed
--I'm disappointed that my game will only shame all other devs, rather than make them commit public seppuku.

Bildi · « **Reply #28 on:** April 19, 2008, 01:42:45 AM »

Quote from: y2kev on April 18, 2008, 09:56:18 PM

mmmmm delicious

Damn, you stole the words right out of my mouth.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #29 on:** April 19, 2008, 04:14:31 AM »

The gap between a high end PC and PS3/360 is pretty astonishing.

I'm still amazed sometimes at how some games can run at 60fps,4xAA, w/ better textures & effects at greater than 1080P on my PC while they can barely run at 30fps/720P on consoles.

Technically, both "next-gen" consoles are pretty disappointing but even more so with the PS3. Launching 1 yr later, the PS3 should have at least had a better GPU and more ram than the 360 but it had neither.

The low amounts of ram in the 360/PS3 are probably the biggest reason why new games still aren't much more than prettified versions of stuff that we've been playing for the last few years.

Quote from: Borys on April 19, 2008, 03:47:41 AM

Of course it would sell worse than Crysis. lol PC games

Maybe but millions of people would have still played it on their PCs.

:'( business side of PC gaming :'(

Kyle · « **Reply #30 on:** April 19, 2008, 07:47:43 AM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on April 18, 2008, 07:41:50 PM

wait for the other version

Professor, did you hear anything about improving the game graphics on the 360?

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #31 on:** April 19, 2008, 12:45:36 PM »

Quote from: Smooth Groove on April 19, 2008, 04:14:31 AM

The gap between a high end PC and PS3/360 is pretty astonishing.

I'm still amazed sometimes at how some games can run at 60fps,4xAA, w/ better textures & effects at greater than 1080P on my PC while they can barely run at 30fps/720P on consoles.

The Orange Box is particularly sad on consoles.

Shuri · « **Reply #32 on:** April 19, 2008, 02:29:37 PM »

the pc ports of the mgs games were so awful

drohne · « **Reply #33 on:** April 20, 2008, 08:45:16 AM »

i don't know who 'someone' is, but there are no exclusive ps3 games that render at substantially less than 720p. ratchet runs at 1280x704 or something. those lower resolutions are mainly used to squeeze the framebuffer into the 360's edram, and afaik the benefits are marginal on ps3. in any case i'd better not see your pink ass bashing mgs4 after defending halo 3, which has got the absolute worst image quality of any major game this gen

bork · « **Reply #34 on:** April 20, 2008, 08:47:03 AM »

Kojima does a better job realizing his visions than Molyneaux.

calcifer · « **Reply #35 on:** April 20, 2008, 10:01:11 AM »

Quote from: dcharlie on April 20, 2008, 09:13:47 AM

I hear sub 720p, sub 30fps. Tears.

so you're saying mgs4 will be just like every other ps3/360 game in term of image quality? I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS!

and from a jap dev too... they've been so on top of things this gen $:-\$

MCD · « **Reply #36 on:** April 20, 2008, 11:30:42 AM »

Quote from: drohne on April 20, 2008, 08:45:16 AM

i don't know who 'someone' is, but there are no exclusive ps3 games that render at substantially less than 720p. ratchet runs at 1280x704 or something. those lower resolutions are mainly used to squeeze the framebuffer into the 360's edram, and afaik the benefits are marginal on ps3. in any case i'd better not see your pink ass bashing mgs4 after defending halo 3, which has got the absolute worst image quality of any major game this gen

at least halo 3 have godly lighting, mgs4? nothing lol.

drohne · « **Reply #37 on:** April 20, 2008, 11:37:19 AM »

subtle beauty

y2kev · « **Reply #38 on:** April 20, 2008, 11:37:59 AM »

Quote from: dcharlie on April 20, 2008, 10:49:26 AM

yes, because no one expects MGS to be 1080p and 60fps!

no one.

just.... all the usual sonyfan nutters (except you)

eesh dc this is pretty eek

MCD · « **Reply #39 on:** April 20, 2008, 11:40:18 AM »

Quote from: drohne on April 20, 2008, 11:37:19 AM

subtle beauty

drohne

bud · « **Reply #40 on:** April 20, 2008, 11:59:36 AM »

dc, i want to defecate in your mouth

break yourself, foo

Mupepe · « **Reply #41 on:** April 20, 2008, 03:22:05 PM »

who cares if it's not 720p? the game still looks great

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #42 on:** April 20, 2008, 03:30:29 PM »

Quote from: calcifer on April 20, 2008, 10:01:11 AM

Quote from: dcharlie on April 20, 2008, 09:13:47 AM
I hear sub 720p, sub 30fps. Tears.

so you're saying mgs4 will be just like every other ps3/360 game in term of image quality? I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS!

and from a jap dev too... they've been so on top of things this gen $:-\$

What? Most Jap devs have been crap with next-gen graphics so far.

y2kev · « **Reply #43 on:** April 20, 2008, 03:31:22 PM »

Quote from: Smooth Groove on April 20, 2008, 03:30:29 PM

Quote from: calcifer on April 20, 2008, 10:01:11 AM
Quote from: dcharlie on April 20, 2008, 09:13:47 AM
I hear sub 720p, sub 30fps. Tears.

so you're saying mgs4 will be just like every other ps3/360 game in term of image quality? I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS!

and from a jap dev too... they've been so on top of things this gen $:-\$

What? Most Jap devs have been crap with next-gen graphics so far.

obvious sarcasm, good grief

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #44 on:** April 20, 2008, 03:34:19 PM »

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #45 on:** April 20, 2008, 03:43:07 PM »

To be fair it took how long to ACTUALLY max out the PS2?

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #46 on:** April 20, 2008, 03:54:09 PM »

Quote from: Gamestop Employee #18384 on April 20, 2008, 03:43:07 PM

To be fair it took how long to ACTUALLY max out the PS2?

I think the PS2 got close to being maxed out around Jak 2, R&C 2,etc which was about 3 yrs after launch. PS2 games generally all look about that goodl after that.

The graphical improvements during the PS2 era really weren't as large as people believed. It's just that 3D was only in its 2nd gen and many developers still were learning how to do 3d graphics properly.

For devs that already know what they were doing, they weren't able to squeeze much more performance of the PS2 than they did early on.

Look at Madden, MGS2, SH2, DMC, as examples. Their sequels might have looked better but the improvements were minor at best.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #47 on:** April 20, 2008, 04:08:56 PM »

VP2 begs to differ

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #48 on:** April 20, 2008, 04:14:14 PM »

I didn't get far in VP2 because I didn't like the big head characters. They just looked freaky.

y2kev · « **Reply #49 on:** April 20, 2008, 04:27:16 PM »

i don't agree with it either, but i'm not arguing it cuz it will lead to screenshot war

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #50 on:** April 20, 2008, 04:29:14 PM »

I actually think that FF10 looks better than FF12. But I beat 10 while only playing 12 for 2 hrs so that might not be a fair comparison. From what I played of 12, it just seemed really bland and lifeness.
Also the framerate was worse in 12.

GOW2 did look better than GOW1 but it also had way more tearing. Is it really an improvement when you have to sacrifice image quality in order to get better graphical effects?

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #51 on:** April 20, 2008, 04:31:37 PM »

Quote from: y2kev on April 20, 2008, 04:27:16 PM

i don't agree with it either, but i'm not arguing it cuz it will lead to screenshot war

So you don't agree that Jak and R&C didn't improve much after the 2nd games in the series? What would you say looked better in the sequels?

This isn't GAF so don't worry about screenshot wars. I don't do that kinda stuff anyways.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #52 on:** April 20, 2008, 04:43:39 PM »

burnout revenge, vp2, silent hill 3, and soul calibur 3 are among the best-looking and most technically accomplished games of last gen

MCD · « **Reply #53 on:** April 20, 2008, 04:45:35 PM »

god of war 2 (tearing but still...) and ninja gaiden were great as well.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #54 on:** April 20, 2008, 04:55:01 PM »

FFXII/VP2/GOW2

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #55 on:** April 20, 2008, 04:55:08 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on April 20, 2008, 04:43:39 PM

burnout revenge, vp2, silent hill 3, and soul calibur 3 are among the best-looking and most technically accomplished games of last gen

Yeah, but are they that much better looking than the best looking games that were released around the middle of the PS2's lifespan?

I guess what I'm saying is that the average PS2 game improved greatly until the end but not so much for the top tier games.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #56 on:** April 20, 2008, 04:57:28 PM »

Well youre the same person who commented on SC3 without having even played it

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #57 on:** April 20, 2008, 05:10:04 PM »

When did I say I didn't play SC3? I just told Lyte that I haven't tried SC2 or 3 upscaled on the PS3.

I just think that SC2 in 720P on the Xbox was the best looking SC of last gen. 2x pixels make a huge difference.

y2kev · « **Reply #58 on:** April 20, 2008, 10:15:50 PM »

I dunno DC, MGO is 60 fps according to some fps whiners on gaf (jett

).

drohne · « **Reply #59 on:** April 20, 2008, 10:18:40 PM »

o shit, is the mgo beta active?

one of the press outlets that's played mgs4 claimed it was 60fps -- ign i think -- but game journalists have somehow got a bad record with that kind of thing. i really don't know how you confuse 30 and 60

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